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		<title>By: jc</title>
		<link>http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/a-two-tier-internet#comment-10562</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[posters like Spence are reminders of how all these things tend to work.  They hide behind seemingly reasonable arguments in order to take something away, regulate it to death, and suck more $$ from us.

The fact is, with high-speed equipment and applications written a bit smarter than they were years before, best-effort delivery actually works pretty well.  My son can turn on the wireless feature of his Nintendo DSi and within minutes he&#039;s playing kids from all over the world. 

Latency is usually about the weakest link in the path, which is usually the web/app/service host you&#039;re trying to access.  The truth is, there&#039;s *plenty* of fibre out there that can be lit up any time they need more capacity.  In the 90&#039;s they laid down more cable than anyone uses.  For most, the issue is the last mile, the internet drop to  your house - and they know it.  It&#039;s also about aging phone company infrastructure, which is why more people don&#039;t have DSL.

This stuff all about increasing control and $$.  Don&#039;t let shills like Spence convince you it&#039;s any other way.  Read Spence&#039;s posts and you get a pretty good idea what he&#039;s all about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>posters like Spence are reminders of how all these things tend to work.  They hide behind seemingly reasonable arguments in order to take something away, regulate it to death, and suck more $$ from us.</p>
<p>The fact is, with high-speed equipment and applications written a bit smarter than they were years before, best-effort delivery actually works pretty well.  My son can turn on the wireless feature of his Nintendo DSi and within minutes he&#8217;s playing kids from all over the world. </p>
<p>Latency is usually about the weakest link in the path, which is usually the web/app/service host you&#8217;re trying to access.  The truth is, there&#8217;s *plenty* of fibre out there that can be lit up any time they need more capacity.  In the 90&#8217;s they laid down more cable than anyone uses.  For most, the issue is the last mile, the internet drop to  your house &#8211; and they know it.  It&#8217;s also about aging phone company infrastructure, which is why more people don&#8217;t have DSL.</p>
<p>This stuff all about increasing control and $$.  Don&#8217;t let shills like Spence convince you it&#8217;s any other way.  Read Spence&#8217;s posts and you get a pretty good idea what he&#8217;s all about.</p>
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		<title>By: sharonsj</title>
		<link>http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/a-two-tier-internet#comment-10240</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 21:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[to Not So Mad Max: Cable HAS lost subscribers--something like 700,000 people who can&#039;t afford it anymore.  I&#039;m trying to figure out how to lower my satellite TV bill because it&#039;s getting too expensive.

As for the Internet, what they&#039;re trying to do is give a greater advantage to companies and people with money (what a surprise!).  So if you are a small business and can&#039;t afford a faster connection, you will be unable to compete with the bigger corporations.  Or you will be forced to come up with the money in order to stay in business.  So it looks to me like just another scam for those with money and power to stay that way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to Not So Mad Max: Cable HAS lost subscribers&#8211;something like 700,000 people who can&#8217;t afford it anymore.  I&#8217;m trying to figure out how to lower my satellite TV bill because it&#8217;s getting too expensive.</p>
<p>As for the Internet, what they&#8217;re trying to do is give a greater advantage to companies and people with money (what a surprise!).  So if you are a small business and can&#8217;t afford a faster connection, you will be unable to compete with the bigger corporations.  Or you will be forced to come up with the money in order to stay in business.  So it looks to me like just another scam for those with money and power to stay that way.</p>
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		<title>By: El Pollo de Oro</title>
		<link>http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/a-two-tier-internet#comment-10208</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[El Pollo de Oro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 14:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When you think about it, the two-tiered Internet concept is quite symbolic of everything else that is occurring in this Third World hellhole called The Banana Republic of America (formerly the USA). The BRA is becoming, more and more, a two-tiered society. There is the upper tier--the 5% of the population that is filthy rich and getting richer by the minute--and there is the lower tier, the 95% that is getting poorer by the minute. The more desperate conditions become for the 95% poor majority (the peasants and neo-peasants), the more power the despotic ruling class oligarchy will have over their slaves. The ruling class despots are all about control, and that includes the Internet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you think about it, the two-tiered Internet concept is quite symbolic of everything else that is occurring in this Third World hellhole called The Banana Republic of America (formerly the USA). The BRA is becoming, more and more, a two-tiered society. There is the upper tier&#8211;the 5% of the population that is filthy rich and getting richer by the minute&#8211;and there is the lower tier, the 95% that is getting poorer by the minute. The more desperate conditions become for the 95% poor majority (the peasants and neo-peasants), the more power the despotic ruling class oligarchy will have over their slaves. The ruling class despots are all about control, and that includes the Internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Lim Boon Chuan</title>
		<link>http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/a-two-tier-internet#comment-10184</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lim Boon Chuan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 06:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I feel that we already lost a large part of our freedom when we allow the large and dominant search engines to dictate where we are going.   The moment we are dependent on them means that a large part of our freedom disappears simply because they can lead us to web sites that they have a vested interest in.

Two Tier Internet is simply a physical manifestation of what had already happened.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel that we already lost a large part of our freedom when we allow the large and dominant search engines to dictate where we are going.   The moment we are dependent on them means that a large part of our freedom disappears simply because they can lead us to web sites that they have a vested interest in.</p>
<p>Two Tier Internet is simply a physical manifestation of what had already happened.</p>
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		<title>By: Monty</title>
		<link>http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/a-two-tier-internet#comment-10169</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Monty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 02:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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&quot;Brad
August 27th, 2010 at 11:51 am&quot;,

Can&#039;t you answer that for yourself, buddy?]]></description>
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&#8220;Brad<br />
August 27th, 2010 at 11:51 am&#8221;,</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t you answer that for yourself, buddy?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Bean</title>
		<link>http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/a-two-tier-internet#comment-10141</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Bean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 22:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Pete and Vicki, I agree with your statements, watchdogs are necessary to make sure the people with money don&#039;t end up controlling things to a point where it hurts the average citizen.

@Spencer. YOU KNOW YOUR STUFF!! - I think everyone here should read up a little more and understand how the internet works.  Spencer knows how this stuff works and he&#039;s just explaining what some companies will be paying for.  

What you all need to understand is that there are right now on the current internet companies who pay for leased lines with specific connections to whatever location they need.  This is necessary for businesses to operate.  What spencer was discussing was the need for very very reliable business internet with a predefined route.  I am all fine for that because they can afford to pay for that.  The way a watchdog helps is by looking to make sure these type of agreements don&#039;t mean that an average citizen is hurt by getting traffic refused (highly unlikely).

Now, about the 2 tier internet or having two internets (if that would be the term).  The author and many people need to look at how an internet frame works and exactly what is being proposed with having another tier in the internet. ISPs control the size of the packets we can get across the internet.  What changes is whats inside of that packet or frame.  So there is technically no speed change.  What can change a lot of speed is the route the frame takes to reach is destination. 

Which leads to who sends what.  Having a 2 tier scheme as proposed would lead to the internet having 2 zones.  An anonymous zone and a zone where everyone is identifiable.  This makes it much harder for people to do the nasty stuff on the internet since some authority figure can know who you are.  What will stay the same is that the data you transmit will still be encrypted so you will have your privacy but no anonymity.  That&#039;s the short description.

Overall, Spencer, good points.  Everyone else needs to stop going with the heresay and start to read up on how this technology stuff works before you just agree to what others are talking about. I don&#039;t know it all, but I will take the time to verify what someone posts... specially on topics like this.  I suggest you all do the same.

Take care everyone :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Pete and Vicki, I agree with your statements, watchdogs are necessary to make sure the people with money don&#8217;t end up controlling things to a point where it hurts the average citizen.</p>
<p>@Spencer. YOU KNOW YOUR STUFF!! &#8211; I think everyone here should read up a little more and understand how the internet works.  Spencer knows how this stuff works and he&#8217;s just explaining what some companies will be paying for.  </p>
<p>What you all need to understand is that there are right now on the current internet companies who pay for leased lines with specific connections to whatever location they need.  This is necessary for businesses to operate.  What spencer was discussing was the need for very very reliable business internet with a predefined route.  I am all fine for that because they can afford to pay for that.  The way a watchdog helps is by looking to make sure these type of agreements don&#8217;t mean that an average citizen is hurt by getting traffic refused (highly unlikely).</p>
<p>Now, about the 2 tier internet or having two internets (if that would be the term).  The author and many people need to look at how an internet frame works and exactly what is being proposed with having another tier in the internet. ISPs control the size of the packets we can get across the internet.  What changes is whats inside of that packet or frame.  So there is technically no speed change.  What can change a lot of speed is the route the frame takes to reach is destination. </p>
<p>Which leads to who sends what.  Having a 2 tier scheme as proposed would lead to the internet having 2 zones.  An anonymous zone and a zone where everyone is identifiable.  This makes it much harder for people to do the nasty stuff on the internet since some authority figure can know who you are.  What will stay the same is that the data you transmit will still be encrypted so you will have your privacy but no anonymity.  That&#8217;s the short description.</p>
<p>Overall, Spencer, good points.  Everyone else needs to stop going with the heresay and start to read up on how this technology stuff works before you just agree to what others are talking about. I don&#8217;t know it all, but I will take the time to verify what someone posts&#8230; specially on topics like this.  I suggest you all do the same.</p>
<p>Take care everyone <img src="http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/simple-smile.png" alt=":-)" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /></p>
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		<title>By: Scott M.</title>
		<link>http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/a-two-tier-internet#comment-10122</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott M.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 20:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You should all watch a film called Orwell Rolls In His Grave.  It&#039;s probably available at the library or through some torrent.

It talks about how some of the major conglomerates  media companies own not only the web sites but the means of delivery and they&#039;re not interested in dissent.  THAT is the reason for a two tiered internet; your money!!!  We the people, even in a fake democracy, should get our way once in a while.

http://www.amazon.com/Orwell-Rolls-Grave-Charles-Lewis/dp/B0008237AA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=dvd&amp;qid=1283026939&amp;sr=8-1]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should all watch a film called Orwell Rolls In His Grave.  It&#8217;s probably available at the library or through some torrent.</p>
<p>It talks about how some of the major conglomerates  media companies own not only the web sites but the means of delivery and they&#8217;re not interested in dissent.  THAT is the reason for a two tiered internet; your money!!!  We the people, even in a fake democracy, should get our way once in a while.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Orwell-Rolls-Grave-Charles-Lewis/dp/B0008237AA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=dvd&#038;qid=1283026939&#038;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Orwell-Rolls-Grave-Charles-Lewis/dp/B0008237AA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=dvd&#038;qid=1283026939&#038;sr=8-1</a></p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/a-two-tier-internet#comment-10072</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 15:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I work for AT&amp;T&#039;s internet department and I can&#039;t give details but lets just say tiered internet is the future and no ammount of protest and complaining will stop it.  The reason why no one knows exactly how it will work is its still being tested.  People like to say its to &quot;crush the little guy&quot; but to be honest its much more simple...its about money.  How do you talk someone into paying $100 a month for something they are only willing to pay $20 a month for?  
In the end it will be similar to Cable TV in which what you get will depend on the tier your paying for.  Kinda like if instead of HBO you can pick FaceBook.  The truth is we have this down to a science and whichever option brings in the most money is the option that will be rolled out.  Either way it WILL happen and there is not a thing any of you can do to stop it.  Sorry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work for AT&amp;T&#8217;s internet department and I can&#8217;t give details but lets just say tiered internet is the future and no ammount of protest and complaining will stop it.  The reason why no one knows exactly how it will work is its still being tested.  People like to say its to &#8220;crush the little guy&#8221; but to be honest its much more simple&#8230;its about money.  How do you talk someone into paying $100 a month for something they are only willing to pay $20 a month for?<br />
In the end it will be similar to Cable TV in which what you get will depend on the tier your paying for.  Kinda like if instead of HBO you can pick FaceBook.  The truth is we have this down to a science and whichever option brings in the most money is the option that will be rolled out.  Either way it WILL happen and there is not a thing any of you can do to stop it.  Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/a-two-tier-internet#comment-9969</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 03:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Despite no network company regulating &#039;net neutrality&#039; law for the past 20 years broadband internet got cheaper,faster and more widespread. If the government restricts how network companies operate their own networks that will raise prices not lower them. 

The reason huge content providing companies like google support &#039;net neutrality&#039; is because they don&#039;t want diversified content competition from gaming,voip and other startups. 

The reason some cell companies are pro net neutrality, is almost certainly because they believe they have more to fear from wimax and other startups than they do from government regulation. Wimax related and other network startups have the best chance of diversifying network choices, and for that reason even the cable companies will eventually support net neutrality, to stop upstart competitors.

Google and the cell companies want you to have only one choice with one high bill in how you connect to the internet.

When big companies and government agencies say they want to reduce your choices to help you, be skeptical.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite no network company regulating &#8216;net neutrality&#8217; law for the past 20 years broadband internet got cheaper,faster and more widespread. If the government restricts how network companies operate their own networks that will raise prices not lower them. </p>
<p>The reason huge content providing companies like google support &#8216;net neutrality&#8217; is because they don&#8217;t want diversified content competition from gaming,voip and other startups. </p>
<p>The reason some cell companies are pro net neutrality, is almost certainly because they believe they have more to fear from wimax and other startups than they do from government regulation. Wimax related and other network startups have the best chance of diversifying network choices, and for that reason even the cable companies will eventually support net neutrality, to stop upstart competitors.</p>
<p>Google and the cell companies want you to have only one choice with one high bill in how you connect to the internet.</p>
<p>When big companies and government agencies say they want to reduce your choices to help you, be skeptical.</p>
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		<title>By: Not so Mad Max</title>
		<link>http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/a-two-tier-internet#comment-9934</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Not so Mad Max]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 23:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The internet would be once more fee based service, along with cable, and cell phones.  The trouble is with the present erosion of the global economy, who’s going to be able to afford it?  

Cable subscriptions have not dropped but I would love to see how many people now have just basic cable. The only reason in my opinion Cable and Cell Phone Companies have not seen a drop in subscribers because there are three payments people will make out side the basics (Food, and heat) cable and cell phones and cars.

  We’ll see once more join the ranks of the 99ers, and cable and cell phone bills start becoming delinquent.   They many try this but it will not last.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The internet would be once more fee based service, along with cable, and cell phones.  The trouble is with the present erosion of the global economy, who’s going to be able to afford it?  </p>
<p>Cable subscriptions have not dropped but I would love to see how many people now have just basic cable. The only reason in my opinion Cable and Cell Phone Companies have not seen a drop in subscribers because there are three payments people will make out side the basics (Food, and heat) cable and cell phones and cars.</p>
<p>  We’ll see once more join the ranks of the 99ers, and cable and cell phone bills start becoming delinquent.   They many try this but it will not last.</p>
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