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  • Syrin

    Wow. Un-fricking-believable. So any suggestions as to WHERE to keep your money to do things like run a business, etc? Almost all my personal liquidity was removed from the banks years ago, but if you have a business, you can’t pay for business expenses with precious metals. Suggestions?

    • Rodster

      Syrin i’m self employed and NO you need some money in the bank to pay for thing UNLESS your vendors are local and you can pay with cash.

      Working within this system the USD is still needed. Once the SHTF is when gold could be of value AND that’s if commerce doesn’t shutdown completely from a collapse. At that point bartering will rule.

      Just keep the bare minimum in the bank to pay bills. In my 50+ years I would have never thought I would need to take my money out of the bank for fear that the banksters would steal it. Btw is Gary2 a banker?

      My other advice is to buy things you need NOW while money is worth anything. I plan on buying a commercial vehicle this year.

      • Graham

        In response to “Btw is Gary2 a banker?”.

        I believe G2 works in a hospital helping to treat right wing hacks suffering from asset stripping and financial shock.

        Apparently a profitable venture as they take away from the rich and give to the poor. In this modern socialist system, the rich get the treatment whilst the poor get the money. Fair deal?

        Just leave your wallet at home when the ambulance arrives to pick you up!

      • Beth

        Buy things you need NOW–YES—I can’t think of anything that will be cheaper than what it is right now!!!!

      • 2Gary2

        I wish I made the money bankers make…

    • K

      First find the three smallest banks in your area. Then go to a couple of the bank rating services, on the net. If any are 5 star rated, your search is over. If not 4 star ratings are still pretty solid. 3 star rating are acceptable, if you can not do any better. Below that is a gamble.

      • Syrin

        Credit unions and this. Great ideas.

    • madmankitchen

      i still cant figure out why people are not investing in physical gold and silver.

      • Joose

        can you eat it???

        • J.M.

          No…but you can´t eat worthless papers either.

    • Mondobeyondo

      Credit unions. Credit unions. Credit unions.

      • glamandvampallround

        This is where I am keeping what little money I have, in a credit union…..Done with bank here 100%!!!

      • http://stuartdobson.net Stuart Dobson

        I’m sure they’ll get to them soon. Don’t put all your eggs in one basket. Unless you own the basket and you’re standing over it with a big gun

    • Not American

      You have no job, sober up!

    • Remmy700P

      Credit unions and state-chartered banks that have a majority of their lending portfolio in the state.

  • Mondobeyondo

    It’s really not YOUR money. It’s the government’s money. They can take it as they please. (Taxation, or outright confiscation).

    Hmmm. My best advice is to put your hard earned Federal Reserve Notes into a universally accepted metal, like gold or silver. Or at least some commodity that people immediately recognize. Unless you’re a penguin in Antarctica, nearly everyone in every continent on earth will accept gold (coinage, jewelry, tooth fillings, etc). People living in humble shacks in Africa know what gold is and what it is worth. So do people living in the Himalayas. Australia, Southeast Asia, Peru and of course Wall Street.

    If only I had known, some 10-15 years earlier. Hindsight is always 20-20…

    • http://twitter.com/johaster Prof. dr. J. Sterk

      Smart idea, but precious metals at the top and sell when the economy has recovered.

  • Brenda Thompson

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    • Rodster

      SPAMMER !!!

    • Mondobeyondo

      So Brenda, tell us how you made over $70,000/year selling ice cream from your van.

      • Graham

        Do we have to translate what the “ice cream” and her “van” actually is?

        Online hookerism via webcam and profit arising from paying desperados. Good example of a modern capitalist business, with a unique social flavour.

  • Mondobeyondo

    Oh yeah, forgot about this little government agency called the Internal Revenue Service.

    If you’re missing money, don’t worry – they will find it for you. Forget the GPS system, they know where you are (and how much you may owe them).

    Remember the first time you fell in love, and was captivated by the eyes and smile of your significant other? Well, that’s how the government sees your bank account. Yikes!!

    April 15th is only 2 1/2 weeks away. Are you ready?

    • DownWithLibs

      Can someone please stop the earth and let me off!!! (Or just slow it down a little. I can make a jump for it. I don’t mind risking a little “atmosphere burn” on my knees :) )

      • Graham

        If you land safely, give us all your GPS coordinates please. You may not have to wait long for company and don’t be too surprised if the first wave of arrivals come from this blog :)

      • markthetruth

        To bad it isn’t ” Flat ”

        the end…

      • stacey

        thanks for that :)

      • debbifaye

        Its spinning backwards

  • Rodster

    There’s no question this IS also coming to the US. it’s time to start draining my account before the SHTF.

  • Leigh

    Wow. I am Canadian and haven’t seen a thing about this in the news! Lucky think I read the Economic Collapse Blog! I don’t know what to do with this information. Thankfully the legislation will not be passed over night. We do keep some money on hand in gold and silver and cash, but only about 2K. Any suggestions? How do you save for emergencies or retirements without using a bank?!?!? (We are in our 30s)

    • Rodster

      The Lame Stream Media doesn’t want you to know. That’s why it’s referred to it as the Govt Media Complex here in the US. The media is the PR dept for the Govt.

    • http://twitter.com/johaster Prof. dr. J. Sterk

      The US government will never do this, they prefer the poor to bail-out the banks through inflation.

    • jaxon64

      First, you and everyone else must ask yourself..”Why do I keep money in the bank?”
      Historically for 2 primary reasons………
      NUMBER #1: Banks were always a safe and secure way to protect your money from theft. Whether it was the wild west, roaming vandals and vagabonds or just civil unrest..funds deposited in a bank had higher safety with armed guards, vaults, and modern day survailance and electronic records of deposit.
      NUMBER #2: As recompense for allowing the bank to use/invest/loan the monies you deposited, they would pay you some nice interest on your deposit to let them hold your money.
      Now neither of these situations are even close to being true.
      The recent events and precedent of account theft makes the idea that your money is safe in a bank silly. Plus, even if they weren’t confiscating it-they have leveraged so much more money and bet on such astronomical amounts in derivatives- that when the bubble pops or even gets a small leak, your funds simply aren’t going to be there. The banks don’t have a fraction of the funds that depositors have entrusted them with.
      As for #2–interest is a joke. A “savings account” at BOA, PNC etc etc will net you appx $15 for a $10,000 account—I make more than that if I lend a friend a$1000 bucks and when he repays me he also takes me out for a steak dinner.
      Keep the minimal amount needed to do your on-line banking and payments each month. If you have direct deposit- then go and take the money out every payday that is over your needed bills amount.
      Also an excellent suggestion by another poster–buy bulk sale items now of everything from toothpaste to deoderant to aspirin to toilet paper. If you have the storage space you could save hundreds or more. Items are NEVER going to be cheaper than they are right now. One hundred years of the FED’s debt based system has proven a devaluation of the USD and loss of its buying power–every extra you buy now is a big future savings….

      • Mondobeyondo

        Let’s expand this a bit further.

        Why do you keep money in a bank? Because it’s safer than keeping it at home, hidden under a mattress? No, I don’t think so.

        It’s long been the “Wild West” here in Arizona where I live. All the way back to the “hold-ups” of trains, etc in the early 20th century. Financial security? I have my own financial security system. It’s called a 9 millimeter Glock. I don’t have much anymore, but if you want it, you’re sure gonna have to fight for it.

        I need to sleep..tomorrow I may go deeper into this (in between job interviews, etc)

        • DB200

          9 millimeter Glock? Nice gun. Easy to maintain, easy to carry, easy to shoot and quite accurate within 30 yards distance.

  • none

    Great news Micheal:
    If the governments agree to jail the bankers that made all those bad loans. Then took all the bonus money they made.
    I think the people that lost all their money might go along with it more.

  • none

    Good News Micheal:

    If they thew all the bakers in jail. That made all the bad loans? Then seized all there bonus money for the loans.
    I think the people that lost everything they own might go along with it more?

  • Rick Tompson

    If they jailed the bankers that made the bad loans.

    Then seized all their bonus money, for making bad loans.
    Would the people that lost all thier money go along with it more?

  • Day2Day

    “Capital Controls”

    Sounds more like Marshall Law…

  • K

    Michael the collapse is closer than most think. Two things tell me it is very close. 1.The ammo situation. There is no reason for a Government who has tight finances, to buy a decades worth of ammo. And it still continues. Just yesterday the FBI, put out a bid for 100 million rounds of ammo. Guess DHS does not want to share. 2. The MRAP vehicles, even some of the people who are fast asleep. May wake up when a MRAP comes down their road. So they would not take this insane step. Until very close to the end. Thanks for covering this, people need to know.

    • DownWithLibs

      Heard someone say that the big ammo buy was to keep it out of our hands….funny, I was telling people to stock up just in case they did a “run around” on the second amendment and tried to ban ammo. Sure didn’t see this coming!

      • K

        I am sure keeping ammo out of civilians hands is part of it.

    • Graham

      I see this slightly differently. The up and coming “orchestrated scenarios” will be done in such a manner that the sheep will call for more security. This particular type will openly welcome the highly visual level of “perceived security” that will arise out of it.

      In the meantime, more liberty will be taken away. Further down the line the federal authorities will be very public at promoting a “One world” this that and the next thing and the sheep will jump onboard en masse, not realising they have been duped left right and centre.

      Cognitive dissonance is a “mindset” that the global elite will use to their total advantage via deception. They have been at it for decades already. By the time people realise who the real underlying culprits are, it will be too late.

      It’s all in writing already if you know where to look. That’s why “certain groups” are very heavily ring fenced and protected, some of it by law, which stop others legitimately and publicly questioning the truth. Those that have are “disappeared” fairly quickly.

      • K

        Yes, such people exist. Thankfully not in my neck of the woods. The more rural you get,, the fewer of those type you find.

        • Graham

          I believe it’s also the case that the more rural you get, the more people will stand up to this gun ban legislation, which is complete and utter nonsense when the facts are actually examined.

          Do note those in Government who are very publicly leading the way on this. Feinstein and Bloomberg. The latter having just spent around $12 million in an ad campaign.

          Does that tell you enough? Now checkout the names of those at the pinnacle of the banking and financial systems.

          Uncover their agenda fast and study their beliefs, aims and dogma. It is an extreme eye opener that is thankfully now being written about and exposed by several Christian Pastors.

          • http://www.facebook.com/nelsonguedes Nelson Guedes

            Christian Pastors? It’s about time! Jesus never liked money changers and warned us about them. The church has been corrupted for far too long…

      • eman

        There are other tricks though. Not to call it stealing, or to say the taxpayers aren’t paying without adding because we’re stealing it directly out of your account is enough of a trick. I don’t know—I can’t see a lot of people getting angry unless their online connection is cut off.

    • Makati1

      I did some research and the military has 6 dedicated ammo makers that turn out several BILLION rounds every year for their use, so the government could use some of theirs or at least buy them from those sources cheaper. That makes it more obvious that the idea is to deplete commercial sources and limit the public’s purchases.

  • SAM

    Hey Michael

    When you say “next wave of the economic collapse may be closer than I anticipated” do you anticipate it being in the coming weeks or months. According to Max Keiser he predicts this April so what do you think?

    • Rodster

      While events are picking up steam, no one but God knows the answer.

  • http://twitter.com/johaster Prof. dr. J. Sterk

    So, if you have a lot of money it’s smart to put it in a sound bank. With more transparency this must be possible for wealthy customers. Let bad banks die as appropriate in capitalism.

  • DownWithLibs

    This is one heck of a bank job…they actually get a pat on the back from the overseers!!!

  • Mondobeyondo

    They are determined to drive everyone “to the edge of a deep, dark hole”** .

    The weak will jump into the abyss. The strong will push back and resist.
    ————————-
    ** “Driven” – Rush

  • Mondobeyondo

    May the Easter Bunny gather for you, some of the golden eggs the goose laid.

    Yeah, that’s the best I could do.
    Happy Easter in advance.

  • markthetruth

    Anyone notice the lack of Media Coverage of Cyprus , they downplayed the whole thing.

    the end…

    • Mondobeyondo

      Did something happen in Cyprus??

      • markthetruth

        People had to bring back the Pens , Lollypops and Toasters back to the Bank…

        the end…

      • DownWithLibs

        LOL!!!!

    • Bruce

      The problem was well under way before CBS,NBC,ABC or FOX said ANYTHING ABOUT IT. Nothing, Nadda was said. Even when they did speak of the problem it was a blip of info for just a few seconds. I first got info here on this great site.

      • maby

        a few minutes and then go to the celebrities news. and american idol.

      • Jodi

        Yes, only blip of info. All I’ve heard is Cyprus got a bailout to save the country.

      • http://www.facebook.com/guru.blankenhorn Guru Blankenhorn

        The news is being screened by the Obama Administration. Propaganda has reached new heights in this country.

    • Roger Smith

      The only way the MSM is going to pay any attention to these bank robberies is if there happens to be a gay wedding taking place during the middle of it all….

      • Silver Bug

        This is it guys, the game changer has occured. There is no going back now. Is it now time to get out of the banking system?

        http://sprottmoneyblog.com/

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=658455790 Ross Of’TheClan Mckinnon

        Nah, we need some good old fictional Terroroism, that will keep the drones happy!

      • VLADIMIR POUTINE

        Agree! The Worst Newspapers is the Edmonton Sun and the Calgary Sun.

        And the Readers of those Papers are Extremely IGNORANT, and LOW IQ.

    • DB200

      Cyprus was a basket case already one year ago. It was at that time already in the news. So again, it should not have been a surprise. You just have to think and contemplate about the news you read and hear.

  • markthetruth

    Japan to ” Implode ” now. Even if they try to out print the U.S. China,Africa,India,Russia and others are all starting to Trade between each other with Their own Currency. The Dollar is in Trouble… Crash is on the way.

    the end…

  • themachineoffear

    Get your money out of the banks now while you still have time. Convert a portion of it to gold and silver, and physically keep it yourself. Convert another portion of it to physical good and assets (useful and practical things like food, tools and emergency supplies). Money is simply paper and will not be worth anything when SHTF or when confidence is lost. Government has show it is more than willing to steal from citizens to bail out these criminals. Nothing is safe anymore.

  • Iceman

    Sure glad that I pulled out the last of my savings today! Boy did WF put up a fight to keep me from doing so!

  • Graham

    I view this tactic as a sign of NWO desperation, barely clinging onto their corrupt global power base. If creating money can’t right their ship (which it can’t), nothing will. The lot of them are conscious dropouts.

    The “bail-in” scenario is just booting the can a bit further down the road and asset stripping the people at the same time. I will also go as far as to say that this is the beginning of more pronounced “shock and awe” tactics that are designed to leave people numb and completely dumbfounded. Hence easier to control.

    The lucky one’s will have adhered to all the warnings, researched, prepped, and be as ready as can be for what’s coming. Imagine if somebody suggested 5-10 years ago that all this nonsense would occur. I believe many did, but they were written of as conspiracy theory nutjob whackos. The latter of course have proven time and again to be the ultimate holders of the “truth”, as long as the claims aren’t too ridiculous.

  • BlackDog

    There are only two safe places to put your money today. In precious metals (lead & copper), and tangibles. Every other place to park your money will be known about and visited, with legal document-in-hand, if need be, and confiscated. Tangibles can be anything, but I would suggest purchasing and storing discreetly — otherwise your tangibles will end up being confiscated, too. Remember, the Federal Government has at its disposal, all the high-tech stuff we manufactured for them, including satellites, cameras, drones, missles, bombs, guns, ammo and the mainstream media to compell you to believe any ol’ batch o’ shit they come up with. All banks in this financial system are doomed. All of them. Credit unions, too. Anywhere you use the dollar, it will eventually collapse. And in the not-too-distant future, as well. Ask the folks who lived through the Weirmar Republic debacle what hesitation cost them.

  • glamandvampallround

    Very depressing, I always saw Canada as maybe a saner alternative to the US and now I see it is not all that I thought it was…..

    • tacoma

      See my comments. Canada is not only saner, but a heck of a lot faster implementing new Basal III rules than the US, who is still dragging its feet.

    • Mondobeyondo

      I’ve always thought Canada was a lot like us, as in the U.S. Maybe not so much, eh?

    • Jodi

      I know, I even know somebody who said he wants to go to Canada. I’m not sure if anywhere is a good escape.

      • NorthernCanuck

        Hey, the best test is to come here and see for yourself. Or, failing that, watch the Canadian news channels and rfead the Canadian newspapers on the net. Canadians generally are a happy and easy-going people – we have a great country and we’re grateful for it. I came here from England years ago, and I’ve never once regretted it. And, though I mean no disrespect to our American cousins, I’ve visited the US on business and pleasure on numerous occasions and – though I like the people and the country – I’d never want to live there. For me, Canada combines the very best of the old Britain and the energy of the US in a unique hybrid that works well and comfortably. There are few Americans who come who don’t end up liking Canada immensely and remarking wistfully that it reminds them of the America they used to know and grew up in – safe cities; civilized, good-natured and polite people; and lots of opportunity. So come visit :)!

  • tacoma

    Michael’s postings are getting more and more exaggerated and inaccurate. This posting title that claims the Canadian government is proposing to grab the public’s bank deposit to save a failing bank is 100% false. Does he really think the Cdn government, who manages along with the Bank of Canada the world’s best banking system bar none, would do something as stupid as that?

    First, there are many expert papers available in the Net on the study of Bail-In. Let me just list this one by the IMF:

    From Bail-out to Bail-in: Mandatory Debt
    Restructuring of Systemic Financial Institutions
    http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/sdn/2012/sdn1203.pdf

    Bail-In refers to a special legal authority where a national bank regulator can force a failing bank to convert its unsecured debt (i.e. bonds issued by the bank) into equity. No other assets are touched, certainly not people’s deposits. This way, Bail-In allows the authority to fix a failing bank without using taxpayer money to bailout, while using the bank’s highest risk investors, i.e. those who hold unsecured bonds, to recapitalize. These bond holders do not lose their money per se, but will see their bonds converted into bank shares.

    The use of Bail-In is called for by Basal III, which is the new global bank regulatory regime. The current head of the global bank regulator is, yes, Mark Carney the outgoing governor of the Bank of Canada. It is fitting that the government is proposing to adopt the new Basal III regime as a going away present to its esteemed central banker, who will become governor of the Bank of England.

    For those who want to see a specific example of how Bail-In work, here is a excerpt from the IMF paper:

    “The following example is a simple illustration of how bail-in might work and what its effect on a bank’s balance sheet might be. Suppose there is a bank with total assets of $100 billion, financed by deposits ($50 billion), repos and other short-term funding ($20 billion), and long-term unsecured senior debt ($20 billion). Hence, the bank’s equity position is $10 billion. Assume that its capital is eliminated due to a large loss ($10 billion) in its long-term assets. A mandatory recapitalization under a bail-in power would restore the equity position to $10 billion by converting 50 percent of unsecured senior debt into equity, without the bank having to resort to asset sales. In this example, pre-restructuring shares are completely written off, but deposits, repos, and other short-term funding are not affected by the bail-in power, while restructured senior debt holders are now shareholders (with downside as well as upside potential).”

    In short, if a bank mess up, there is no public money to bail it out. Instead, the investors of the bank, holding the riskiest bonds, will see their instrument being used by regulator to force a bail out. This is a heck of a lot better than the Wall Street mess in 2008-2010.

    • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

      So why didn’t the “bail-in” of the Cyprus banks just involve transforming unsecured debt into equity?

      Oh year – it was because that would not have raised nearly enough money.

      Yes, if a bank failure can be fixed by just going after unsecured debt they will do that. But whenever you are talking about a major bank failure, a “bail-in” is going to have to involve uninsured deposits at least.

      So don’t pretend that transforming unsecured debt into equity is going to solve all of the banking problems that are coming. That would be disingenuous at best.

      Michael

      • K

        Michael, he is talking best case scenario. You are talking real world scenario.Your way works better.

      • tacoma

        No Bail-In research and study has suggested it alone can solve a bank insolvency problem. Certainly not at the stage when a Bail-In can be legally triggered – when the bank is extremely sick. It is a new mechanism, a tool, for the regulator to use, so that they are not forced to use the public purse as in the case of every major failure since 2008. It is a very desirable tool to have.

        The case of Cyprus is much more complex. First, no Bail-In mechanism is legally available to the ECB or its member states – it is brand new proposal of Basal III after all. Second, EU banking law says deposits above Eu100k are not insured by the state. (Similar condition exist for FDIC.) Therefore if a Cyprus bank actually fails, all money above than Eu100k will automatically be lost by simple definition.

        The ECB has taken the stand that, if the Cyprus government wants its considerable bailout money, then it should act as if the deposits above Eu100k is available as Bail-In money. It is up to the Cyprus government to pass a law if it agree. After all, why should the ECB risk its money on a country which it has no control over banking, and which has now failed, without asking that country to put some skin on the table? These Cyprus failing banks have no other source of ‘skin’, except it massive foreign deposits that has grew to 7 times its GDP. These foreign depositors put their money in Cyprus to escape tax. That is, they are not really depositors but investors. Now its their turn to pay up.

    • Slobesky O’gorki

      Well, the Mulroney government abolished the reserve requirements that Canadian banks would normally have with bill c19 in December 1991. The reserve requirement was phased out over three years. You betcha the Canadian government can and will take whatever from whomever’s account. Don’t think that Canada is any better off than the States or Cypress. I intend to die broke and the last cheque written to the undertaker is gonna bounce!

    • Former Cal Girl

      Tacoma, I think you protest too much and miss the whole point. Why is any of this happening in an environment where our banks are healthy. Currently they pay paltry interest on accounts and use our money to invest in the riskiest of investments. And then the Choice is either taxpayer bailouts or account holder bailouts! That is the Big Picture all other is simply a diversion.

  • AwakeWe Are

    Why do people bank with these too big to fail banks? What kind of interest rate are you getting to use your money for these ridiculous bets? I was getting 0.01%, so I said great, close the account BofA, Im out. Took my money straight to the credit union. The interest rate still sucks but I VOTE FOR THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS. They do not use my money to try and become extremely wealthy quickly, they use it to help the community get loans, insurance, retirement. You know what banks used to do before they figured out they could take you in the vault and bend you over.

    They have said these banks are too big to fail. Why are they too big? Because everyone has their money deposited in them. Take your money to the credit union until they are just a dollar short of being too big.

    Sorry, but if your money is still helping these jerks, then maybe a 40% confiscation is what you deserve for being too lazy to switch accounts. It’s the way it is. They have so many bad bets right now its only a matter of time. Good luck my friends

    • Jan

      In the past in Canada the credit unions and trust failed in great numbers but none of the big banks did. I remember those days well. There was insurance under our rules, and the banks took over these numerous failed institutions, but it took up to a year to get access to your deposits there. Including bonds. We have a lot fewer trusts and credit unions now, because so many went bankrupt. Banks are safer.

  • Makati1

    Only a fool would trust banks now. The wealthy elite have inside info to tell them when to run. You don’t. I have a grand total of $200 in 3 banks to keep open the accounts, and I use three banks for redundancy, in case one closes. I have no money in the Market Casino. I sleep well at night. Do you?

  • Syrin

    By the way, I nominate Michael for patriot of the decade. Andrew Breitbart would be there as well until they killed him off.

  • 2Gary2

    I predict that nothing will change until there is a fairly violent revolution. The people in power never willingly give up said power, it needs to be taken from them.

  • Blackhawk

    If we don’t delude ourselves into believing that Cyprus was an accident and not something deliberately planned in advance, than it’s becoming obvious that this template will be used at certain point everywhere in order to make a bank run impossible. And I’m not saying a bank run is a good thing for the +90% of the depositors, but a bank run is the only way to show your discontent with a system which doesn’t serve you any more.
    When you’ll find yourself locked in a system which dictate you when, how and where to spend your saved resources it will be too late.
    Let’s for a moment stop thinking about the money and start seeing the walls that are erected everywhere around us.
    What would you do with your money when you’ll see depreciating much faster than your bank will allow you to withdraw?
    Could you live with a bank statement that says you have that much but you can only avail less and less all the way to zero?
    I think there is still time for some of us outside Cyprus to show our discontent with the banksters by draining out the system: bank run.

  • Pamela

    I haven’t got any money so I can’t lose what I’ve not got.

  • germanycalling

    The proposed theft in Canada is news to me, here in Germany they are going to great lengths at the banks to calm people down.The Sparkasse group has been trying to get the Russian loot inside their vaults. Wont happen here, out of the question. Oh yeah ? heard that before

  • chilller

    Anyone notice how many new data centers are being built? The words “data center” seems innocent enough. But it’s these data centers that are being used to hold all of the spying information on US citizens and coordinates guberment operation in the plans they are preparing to use against us. Be it financial, or civil unrest, these centers are the nerve centers of their psyops on the US people.

    • Jodi

      Yep, the data center in Bluffdale, UT is set to start operating in September. It’s 65,000 sq. ft. Spooky stuff.

  • Jodi

    Wasn’t there a budge passed recently in the senate? I wonder if a ‘Cyprus style bail-in’ was put in the bill. Can anybody enlighten me?

  • drdoug

    But Obama says things are better for us!
    Saw it on NBC, why is everyone so worried?

    • Jodi

      “The American people don’t believe anything until they see it on television.” Richard Nixon

  • GSOB

    Legalized theft.

  • Richard

    I’m sorry, I don’t really ‘get it’. If a bank is going under and you have money in it, why should you expect to get your money back??

    • Rothschild

      Dear Richard,

      We had our puppet governments promise to insure depositors up to a certain amount, in this case 100 000 Euros, so that they would trust leaving their retirement and life savings in our hands. We of course felt in this situation that there would be little financial gain in keeping our promise to the Cypriots for the foreseeable future so we reneged it in favor of taking what is rightfully ours.

      It is clear by the lack of action our sheep have taken against us that we may continue to fleece them elsewhere with resistance.

      Sincerely,

      Lord Rothschild

  • Washington76

    Cyprus Averts Panic Withdrawals as Banks Open With Cash Controls By Tom Stoukas, Maria Petrakis Marcus Bensasson – Mar 28, 2013

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-27/cypriot-banks-to-open-for-first-time-in-2-weeks-with-cash-curbs.html

  • http://www.facebook.com/nelsonguedes Nelson Guedes

    Put your money in local credit unions. If there isn’t a local currency in your area, start one.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dennie.macumber Dennie Macumber

    Do not borrow money from a bank and do not deposit your earnings ,this way the banks will have no money to depend upon from the public.
    For what little interest is made on investments one may be better off relocating their money to a safer place.
    boycott banks

  • http://www.facebook.com/don.gill.908 Don Gill

    I’VE BEEN LOOKING EVERYWHERE AND I CAN’T FIND ANYTHING THAT SAYS FDIC INSURANCE WILL BE RENEWED FOR ANY ACCOUNTS PAST 12-31-13. I SUSPECT THIS IS BY DESIGN SO, IF I’M CORRECT, WE HAVE, AT THE MOST, NINE MONTHS TO SAVE OUR MONEY. IF THIS HAPPENS I BELIEVE EVERY PENNY WILL BE AT RISK NOT JUST 1THOSE OVER $

  • Galt’s Gulch

    Cyprus has nothing on the Fed.

    Bernanke equation: Inflate the money supply and cause 6-8% annual inflation + keep rates artificially low so savings accounts pay 0.1% = 7% annual confiscation.

    Why anyone would keep money in a bank or credit union is beyond me. Got to have your green invested if you have a chance of staying ahead of the printing presses.

  • N-49

    My biggest hope is that when the shtf that we as a democratic society call the so called elected(by design?) officials to task to take the necessary steps to protect the very people that support this great? nation and that is the tax-paying silent majority.I have my doubts,however,because now that we have the gov’t we deserve,led by the 4 horsemen of the CDN. apocalypse due to 1/3 voter turnout, upon attaining majority status this time, the first thing this gov’t did was not abolish the gun registry but to re-enact the anti terrorist law that WILL be used against the now neutered silent majority.

  • DEFCONStudios

    Michael I am not sure if you aware but Canada from 2008/2009 had two tranches of bailouts for the Canadian banks. Those two totalled $75 Billion dollars. In 2012 a CCPA report came out and the bailout totalled $114 Billion. The Government of Stephen Harper and his cronies are destroying Canada over the 7 year period they have been in power here and the Sheeple are still asleep.

  • Patriot Alice

    If the Government says the accounts under 100,000 Euros are insured, why do you assume the amount over 100k Euros too? Wishful thinking?

  • Kratos

    This is not a case of oversight or bad reporting. The media is surpressing the story. Who do you think owns the so-called main stream media? Same people who own the banks. These people are planning ahead for the next financial crisis. This time theyre targeting our savings. Next time it will be our physical assets such as precious metals and property. Only sheeple allow themselves to be gutted this way.

  • Patriot Alice

    Cyprus media is controlled by the government…All the medias of the world have to do is stop reporting anything about Cyprus, and as far as the rest of the world is concerned, Cyprus has been erased from the earth’s surface..Thus stopping contagion..Cleaver huh?

  • Jonathan

    Tried to look this up in the legislation that was linked…. but couldn’t find it.

    Did a search, and discovered that it is indeed there.. but on page 154 – not 145. If you can correct your article that would be great.

    • winniekate

      I had the same problem at first.
      Go by the page numbers printed on the bottom of the pages instead of the PDF page numbers, which were calibrated in a different way. (ex: title page of a book isn’t page 1)

  • cannuck21

    Outstanding piece of journalism Michael. Being Canadian I have just written to my M.P. requesting that she oppose this section of the Bill. I am not holding my breath…..

  • reverbe

    There’s a currency that government and banks cannot steal from you: Bitcoin.

    • DiscouragedOne

      Why should I trust that?

      • reverbe

        Hedge against fiat.

  • http://www.facebook.com/stealthc Ryan Elson

    it isn’t just the harper government that would have the nerve to do this, expect whomever is voted for will want this, and whomever is doing the voting won’t. This is blatantly how communism rolls out (now I know this sounds funny given that it’s a conservative, but all parties are playing us (“socially engineering”) into agenda 21, which they already signed us onboard with).

  • piccadillybabe

    They sure as heck are not going to get any revenue by pillaging from the poor. The whole point was to tax the wealthy but you said the wealthy were allowed (informed ahead of time) to get their money out. Where are the wealthy going to put their billions now? It’s one thing to stash a few thousand here and there but when you have billions of dollars, anyone would get suspicious of deposits like that. I frankly have a hard time believing anything I hear anymore no matter where it comes from. These stories about bailouts seem to take on a life of their own after awhile and in the end make no sense at all. One thing a person could do that had any kind of money at all would be to invest it in land. They are not making any more land and as long as it is high and dry, you have an investment that is pretty safe from any kind of run on the banks and it is bound to gain in value.

    • DiscouragedOne

      They can confiscate that too.

  • Corey

    Canada has a real fed reserve, why do we use banks anyway, all they are used for is to cash a paycheck, if employees demanded cash we would never use a bank. It is cool though, for once the banks are the robbers.

    • DiscouragedOne

      For ONCE…um, I think they have always been the “robbers”.

  • Tom

    Why is it not mentioned anywhere that what is happening in Cyprus may just save the world. Yes today people unthinkingly stash their money in any bad behaving bank they can find. Do they think about doing any due diligence about whether the bank they use is safe. Nooooooo! Why ? My money is Insured that’s why!…..Now banks will need to prove they are safe, not over leveraged and unlikely to Fail. FDIC insurance is the problem. Prepare for a new safer era. Finally somebody does the right thing.

  • my money is just fine

    bitcoin users not affected.

  • Meliora Cogito

    You’re absolutely correct.
    In Canada, CDIC [Canadian Deposit Insurance Corp] insures depositors savings to a max 100k$CAD. Any deposits exceeding 100k$ is up for grabs by the banks for refinancing.
    Canadian banks however are generally very conservative institutions [unlike their American counterparts].
    They’ve also been denied the *deregulated* excess of using depositor account balances for their own in-house investment purposes [endangering those deposits], which is very common state-side & which lead to the near-collapse of several major US banks [requiring the huge publicly funded bailouts].
    I don’t know if EU banks are permitted the same leeway with depositor account balances.

    Given US styled banking deregulation, insured depositor accounts could conceivably still be up for grabs under this “bail-in” scenario, if the banks investment decisions went south badly on them [wiping out any balances over the insured amounts in the insured accounts].
    If the banks had nothing but insured balances to rely on to recapitalize, you can bet your bottom $ governments may just allow them to take it in lieu of suffering the greater consequence of offering a publicly-funded bailout [err… “recapitalization”] of the failing bank(s).

  • http://www.facebook.com/pearl.brock1 Pearl Brock

    So,
    you mean they are going to take my $114.37. They don’t believe in
    pennies, so are they going to ask for 0.03 if I can find it on the
    street, or will they get generous and leave me 0.02? Don’t be silly,
    why would they just take our bank accounts when they have the ability to
    raise our tax rate to 100%+ of our income?

    • Rothschild

      Dear Mr. Brock,

      We’ve learned from the colonial days that our slaves won’t work for us when being taxed too much. To keep our slaves working for us and producing our wealth we simply steal their savings and retirement so they may see no choice but to continue working.

      Yours Truly,

      Lord Rothschild

  • Nasty Stuff

    Good essay…one point to make…you are quoting the proposals as being on pages 144 and 145….they are not there…I found them on pages 154 and 155…just for clarity.

  • Mark McBee

    oh Cananda

  • BambiB

    POLL QUESTION:
    Do you still have your money in a bank?

  • http://www.facebook.com/talktimmins John Walsh

    The sky is falling!! The sky is falling!!

  • nickel

    Can I be a contrarian on this? If I am wrong then please tell me, but here goes.
    The “central banks” did not just come and help themselves to people’s bank accounts. Those cypriot banks are… bankrupt! The unfortunate cypriot bank customers can stare at their bank account statements all they want, that money is NOT THERE ANY MORE. It’s gone. They took their money to the bank and then the bank used it to buy greek bonds and god knows what financial instruments, and lost so much on its bets that it can no longer pretend it can pay everyone they owe money to. You know… bankruptcy. That’s why those banks went to financial authorities hat in hand begging them to please hand them billions of dollars of taxpayers money, because they blew all their clients’ money on bad investments. Maybe you want to argue that we should just let failed banks fail, or that they should turn down the terms of the bail-out, but if the central banks were not bailing out the cypriot banks, depositors would still be losing money. How much? I don’t know. I have not read any specific figures, but I did read that it would be a hefty chunk.
    Another thing. I am from Canada. We have deposit insurance. It is capped at 100000$. That means that, even in a relatively prosperous country with a relatively sound and conservative financial system, no one will guarantee that you will be made completely whole if you place over 100000$ in your bank account, and that bank goes kablooee. You need to worry just a little, maybe hedge and spread your bet. When you have your money in a completely bloated financial system (Iceland II), puffed up by foreign dirty money attracted to a tax shelter by the lure of avoiding to pay tax, you bloody well should be double extra careful. My heart goes out to the unfortunate ordinary guy who has to go through this turmoil, but let’s be honest, most people do not have hundreds of thousands of dollars in their checking account. And maybe you can also have a thought for the german or french Joe six-packs who you’re apparently asking to bear the burden of making sure they make whole russian tycoons who did not feel like they should pay taxes at home.

    • Meliora Cogito

      What you’re missing is that even in Cyprus – which has deposit insurance up to 100’000€ – insured deposits are being “taxed”/”levied” to recapitalized the failed Cypriot banks.

      The point being, deposit insurance isn’t going to protect your savings regardless of how much you have in the bank – it’s a false sense of security.

      Canada’s financial regulator – the Superintendent of Financial Institutions – came out on Mar 26th stating Canada’s 6 largest banks are “too big to fail” – or as the Harper Government(tm) now spins the term “systemically important banks.”

      Add to the periodic pleas we hear from these banks their “need” to merge in order to “compete more effectively in the global financial markets” and we have a greater recipe for financial disaster.

      Lets face it, bank deregulation is a titanic disaster waiting to happen. We’ve already seen the precursor to it in the 2008 collapse – that was just the tip of the ice berg & we’re barely keeping the ship afloat right now.

      If we’re going to save the global financial system from total collapse, we need to reduce [remove] the commercial banking sector’s exposure to investment banking risk – divest the investment arms of the major commercial banks from one another. Make them wholly independent as they once were & stop putting commercial depositors savings at risk.

      • NorthernCanuck

        I agree fully with your last point. One thing that may yet be the Achilles Heel for Canadian banks if this were to happen, however, is the eagerness which at least one of them shows for buying up American banks to extend its continental presence. That also increases the number of potential ‘trigger points’ for any Canadian bank financial crisis. Other than that, I thought the points that Nickel made concerning ‘due diligence’ were absolutely valid. The Cyprus banks’ pre-crisis interest rate offerings should have been a warning flag in themselves!

      • PiRat

        Personally I think we need to separate government from the banks, then if they collapse their assets are sold off for the depositors sake.

        • Lloyd

          How do you separate banks from Government when Canadian senators sit on the Boards of Directors of the Big Six Banks? Remember Finance Minister Michael Wilson, now a CEO of AMEX Bank of Canada!!!

          • PiRat

            This is really a decision the people of Canada need to make. Going by their voting record they want this.

            Same applies to Cyprus and Greece etc.

        • Meliora Cogito

          I’m not sure what you mean by separating government from the banks. Canadian banks are all privately owned / publicly traded, the government has no ownership stake in them [except for the Bank of Canada which is our central bank].
          Are you suggesting further deregulation?
          We’ve seen how deregulation [or no regulation in some instances] in the US, contributed to the financial collapse. What makes anyone think further deregulation would make anything better for common depositors?
          To make the banking system safer & more stable [& responsible] would IMHO mean breaking up the large multi-function banks back into their constituent components [as they were before the deregulation trend of the 1980s]. That would reduce their overall exposure & risk while reducing their economic footprint & thus their potential for catastrophic economic consequences of they were to fail.
          If any conclusion can be made from the financial collapse of 2008 is that deregulation is nothing more than a recipe for global financial disaster in that it allowed banks to become “too big to fail” & endangered commercial deposit holders (in the US at least) by allowing the investment arms of the large multi-function banks to use commercial deposits as margin / leverage in their investment gambles.

          On a final note, just as most of us would argue against large bureaucratic governments, why do we find it economically acceptable for large bureaucratic corporations / banks?
          NO economic entity [corporation / bank] should be allowed to occupy such a significant portion of an economy’s footprint that their failure & collapse would cause significant or irreparable economic harm [or in need of a publicly funded bailout]. Not to mention the side effect corporate largess has in the concentration of economic wealth & political power in a [relatively] small corporate plutocratic elite.

      • nickel

        Meliora,

        All reports I have seen claim that those measures do *not* apply to accounts under 100K€, so basically, insured deposits are not affected. I read sometimes “accounts over 100k blabla” which I take to be shorthand for “the portion of the account that exceeds 100K”, but I could be wrong.

        I otherwise pretty much agree with the rest of your post. Canadian banks did make noise about wanting to merge, but they were thankfully turned down and I don’t see it happening now. And yes, if some banks want to behave like hedge funds and make risky bets on derivatives or what not, fine, but not with

        federally-insured depositor money and if they lose by all means let them fail.

        • Meliora Cogito

          Yes the situation in Cyprus has indeed changed since my post with regards to insured deposits being *taxed* – now they’re being left alone. But this was not the original case.

  • NorthernCanuck

    Michael, I think that you are mistakenly reading the word ‘bailin’ to mean ‘grab depositors fund sor convert them to shares.’ It actually means something entirely different and is purely a prudent advance defensive move, totally in line with already-agreed Basel III banking regulatory requirements.

    Let me emphasize again, NOWHERE does the Canadian government declare any intention to go after the funds of depositors in these banks. To do so would unwarrantedly ruin the faith Canadians have in their already strongly- and well-regulated banking system.

    This ‘Toronto Star’ article makes it clear that – under existing Basel III internationally-agreed regulations for banking – the Canadian government is actually toughening up its requirements of the banks themselves to protect depositors. Canadian banks tend to be very
    conservative anyway and this just makes it much less likely that they’ll require public money folr any bailout. The government is telling them in advance to absolutely get their act in order so that they won’t fail.

    Here’s the substance of the article:

    “Canada’s six largest banks will be subject to more stringent supervision and requirements designed to reduce leverage after being designated too big to fail by the federal regulator.

    The “systemically important” designation stems from the Basel committee on banking oversight, a global group that has been developing measures to prevent arepeat of the 2008 financial crisis.

    The Office of the Superintendent of Financial Institutions said Tuesday that the Bank of Montreal, Bank of Nova Scotia, Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce, National Bank of Canada, Royal Bank of Canada and Toronto-Dominion Bank will be required to increase their capital
    reserves to guard against losses.

    The banks will need to have what’s known as a common equity tier 1 ratio of eight per cent as compared with seven per cent for smaller, less important financial institutions as of Jan. 1, 2016.

    Tier 1 capital includes a bank’s outstanding common stock and cash reserves, which could be easily liquidated.

    “The measures . . . are designed to limit the likelihood that a major bank would encounter distress or failure that could negatively impact the Canadian economy or taxpayers,” OSFI head Julie Dickson said in a release.

    The 2008 financial meltdown saw the collapse of Lehman Brothers, and last-minute rescues of Merrill Lynch, AIG, and the Royal Bank of Scotland. Leverage was singled out as a driving force of the crisis.

    The most important measure of banking risk is the ratio of capital to assets, economist Edwin Dolan wrote in a blog post in response to the latest measures.

    That’s the result of subtracting the bank’s liabilities (such as deposits, interbank borrowing, and bonds) from its assets (cash, loans, office equipment and building.)

    “The smaller the ratio of capital to assets, the greater the bank’s leverage,” Dolan wrote. “The greater the leverage, the smaller the loss of asset value required to reduce capital to zero or below.”

    In November, the Financial Stability Board updated its list of 28 international financia linstitutions that were assessed too big to fail.None of the Canadian banks made the grade.

    However, OSFI said the banks are systemically important to the Canadian economy by virtue of their size, interconnectedness, substitutability and flexibility.

    “What governments decided is they want an additional level of protection for the banks,” said Eric Kirzner, professor of finance at the University of Toronto’s Rotman School of Management.

    “Ultimately what we care about is that the depositor is protected. That’s the goal, that the banks can remain solvent and meet their obligations. The more capital that the bank has, the greater the margin of safety against any problems that develop.”

    Canada’s big banks already maintain capital ratios that exceed the Basel requirements, which have been expected for several years.

    Barclays Capital analyst John Aiken said the announcement was expected by markets and was unlikely to affect the bank’s valuations.

    “Given the capital positions of the banks under the Basel III guidelines and the fact that the transition will have three years to be implemented, we do not believe that this will be an onerous burden for the Canadian banks,” he said in a note to clients.

    In its explanation, OSFI said a bank’s distress or failure is more likely to damage the Canadian financial system or economy if its activities comprise a large share of domestic banking activity.

    It noted the six biggest banks account for over 90 per cent of total banking assets in Canada.”

    • Meliora Cogito

      An 8% reserve ratio is still too low – that just means banks can overextend themselves by a factor of 11.5:1 [that mean for every 1$ in reserve, they can create 11.5$ in interest bearing credit].
      Prior to 1987 when the Canadian banking system was “deregulated”, the reserve ratio was set by statute [an act of parliament] – it was 10%. That meant that the banks money multiplier was only 9:1 [for every 1$ held in reserve, they could create 9$ in interest bearing credit].
      The banks are creating too much credit risk with an 8% reserve ratio, regardless of what the OSFI is saying.

      What compounds the problem is many Canadian & multinational corporations are sitting on huge wads of unused capital which is burning a hole in the banks vaults giving the banks the false security of having sufficient reserves to cover their credit risks.

      Once the corporations sitting on that capital start investing/spending it, those bank reserves will start to evaporate & the banks will start calling in their loans to keep their reserve ratio in the black.
      When that happens, things are going to get messy very quickly.

      • NorthernCanuck

        I think your points are very valid. It seems less likely to me, though, that financial problems will arise with the banks in Canada suddenly seeing the huge reserves of unused corporate capital deposited with them being suddenly spent or invested in the near future – the current general economic trend itself militates against that eventuality. For my money, if there is a sudden crisis in the Canadian financial system it’s possibly going to originate with CMHC, not initially with the banks. The Canadian Mortgage And Housing Corporation may yet prove to be the balloon that finally explodes.

  • http://www.facebook.com/max.nevill Max Nevill

    Wow…. Unbelievable. Except I do believe.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002086008002 John Dziadek

    Hiding your money in your mattress or burying it in the back yard is starting to sound like a more secure option.

  • Bobsyouruncle

    The Multicultural socialists will find a way to give everyone in the third world a mortgage….. using your money …

    LOL

    Eat it and Die… kanaduh :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/Abadaba69 Anne Woodworth-Bassingthwaite

    I will confirm above story. I live in Canada and even the mainstream media has shown our latest ‘leader’ bragging about this bail in approach. Our present government-The Conservatives and Prime Minister Steven Harper are set to plummet Canadian Wealth anytime now for the Few Selfish Elites who wish to Become Oligarchs vs the Interests of all Humans. I feel ashamed to be a Canadian right now with all the present government is doing. We have always held strong on fairness, human rights and the ecology. In a few short years this has been decimated.

  • madpensioner

    so who is supposed to pay our bills and food?

  • madpensioner

    I read about it online in The Sun,U.K.

  • Tom

    I read pages 144 and 145 of “Economic Action Plan 2013″ .

    You have jumped the gun and have IMPLIED that a Cypriot style depositors’ confiscation is eminent. There is no mention of confiscation of depositors money…in the Action Plan. You made that up…in Black and white.

    The “Bail-In” can be (and I heard it will be) a special bond issued by the banks which investors can purchase. This bond will be “Convertible” to securities “Stocks” in the event of a crisis. This financial product would be sold to investors with the knowledge that in the event of a crisis they would loose money in their investment and these funds would in effect be the Bail-In funding proposed in the Action Plan.

    Try not to BLOW the proposal up too far with ALARMIST notions… a contingency plan should have been thought up long before the March release of this Action Plan. Following 2008, governments all over the world woke up to the fact that if the banking system goes down everyone is screwed. And, I think more government regulation will be on its way. The financial system requires more oversight – not less!

    I know it makes for riveting article but take a deep breath and write about the facts…please.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ted.c.gabor Ted C Gabor

    I’m a Canadian and I can’t believe the Cognitive dissonance in this country, even when you give people proof and show them the text in the budget pdf. they still think it’s a hoax, the government knows something is wrong with the Canadian banks, that’s why they are making laws to bail them out with the peoples money. Eyes open people.

  • tayronachan

    And this is why I don’t keep all my money in the bank or in paper fiat. Buy a big, heavy, quality gun safe, install an alarm sys in your home. Then take some cash out of your bank and put some in your safe. Also buy some physical silver or gold and keep it in the safe too. I am assuming you already have at least a couple of firearms and ammo. Keep two hand guns handily stashed in your house. Good luck and God Bless, because it’s going to be a rough ride.

  • Imnoone

    time to empty out the savings acounts…they aren’t giving you anything for interest anyways.

  • http://twitter.com/splinterteal splinterteal

    awesome news

  • rexxhavikk

    If I am not mistaken, In the “old days” the deposits were what was used to make the loans and investments…..

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  • Ian suderman

    Does anyone know exactly what the final legislation looks like and how far it goes?

    This article is about the proposal of a bail in but was it accepted as is or rejected and what was the final wording?

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