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Giant Sucking Sound Part 2? The NAFTA Of The Pacific Will Soon Allow Millions More American Jobs To Be Shipped Overseas

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The United States is negotiating one of the biggest free trade agreements in history and there is barely a peep about it on the news.  Years ago, Ross Perot warned that if NAFTA was implemented there would be a “giant sucking sound” as millions of jobs left this country.  It turns out that he was right.  Starting on Tuesday, the next round of negotiations on the Trans-Pacific Partnership (also known as the “NAFTA of the Pacific”) will begin in Chicago.  We have already seen the Obama administration push hard for free trade agreements with Panama, South Korea and Colombia and the administration is making the Trans-Pacific Partnership a very high priority.  Membership in the “NAFTA of the Pacific” already includes Brunei, Chile, New Zealand and Singapore.  The United States, Australia, Peru, Malaysia and Vietnam are scheduled to join.  Canada, Japan and South Korea are also reportedly considering membership.  So once this “free trade” agreement is ratified, will we hear another “giant sucking sound” as millions more of our jobs are shipped overseas?

Look, it is not really that complicated.  If you are a giant U.S. corporation, you can either make stuff here, or you can make stuff overseas where it is far, far less expensive to do so.

To greedy corporate executives, there are a lot of advantages to moving operations out of the country….

*It is legal to pay slave labor wages in many of these other countries.  After all, why pay an American worker 10 or 20 times as much as a worker on the other side of the globe?

*In many of these other countries you do not have to provide any health care for workers.

*In many of these other countries there are virtually no environmental controls to worry about.

*In many of these other countries there are virtually no labor standards to worry about.

*In many of these other countries you only have to deal with a fraction of the “red tape” that you have to deal with in the United States.

By merging our economies with the economies of societies that are far different from our own, we have created a “race to the bottom” that is incredibly destructive to the U.S. economy.

In Vietnam, one dollar an hour is considered to be a very good wage.

So how do you plan to compete against that?

These “free trade agreements” are direct assaults on the big, juicy paychecks of American workers.

If you do not know about the Trans-Pacific Partnership, you need to get educated.

The following is a basic introduction to the TPP from Wikipedia….

The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), also known as the Trans-Pacific Strategic Economic Partnership Agreement, is a multilateral free trade agreement that aims to further liberalise the economies of the Asia-Pacific region; specifically, Article 1.1.3 notes: “The Parties seek to support the wider liberalisation process in APEC consistent with its goals of free and open trade and investment.”[1] The original agreement between the countries of Brunei, Chile, New Zealand and Singapore was signed on June 3, 2005, and entered into force on May 28, 2006. Five additional countries – Australia, Malaysia, Peru, United States, and Vietnam – are negotiating to join the group.

Apparently, one of the goals of the TPP is to reduce all trade tariffs among member nations to zero by the year 2015.  The proponents of “free trade” are absolutely thrilled.

We have all enjoyed the flood of cheap products from overseas.  It is nice to pay a little bit less for things.

But these cheap prices have come at a very high cost.  We are literally destroying the American economy.  If you walk into just about any store today and you start turning over products, you will find that almost all of them are made out of the country.

If our middle class jobs keep getting shipped overseas, our prosperity is going to vanish.  If the American people allow this to continue, the standard of living of American workers is going to continue to fall toward the level of workers in third world countries.

Arthur Stamoulis, the executive director of Citizen Trade Campaign recently had the following to say about why he is opposed to this new free trade agreement….

“They’ve shipped our jobs overseas. They’ve reduced the tax base, they’ve driven down the wages and benefits for the jobs that are left. We’ve had enough”

As you can see from the chart below, we have seen a massive decline in manufacturing jobs in the United States over the last few decades….

It is absolutely amazing that the Obama administration continues to tout more “free trade” agreements as a way to increase employment in the United States.

Sadly, nearly half the country is still going to run out and vote for the guy in the next election.

Between December 2000 and December 2010, 38 percent of the manufacturing jobs in Ohio were lost, 42 percent of the manufacturing jobs in North Carolina were lost and 48 percent of the manufacturing jobs in Michigan were lost.

So the answer is to ship even more of our jobs overseas?

Apparently the Obama administration actually believes that we don’t want those jobs.  The following is what U.S. Trade Representative Ron Kirk told Tim Robertson of the Huffington Post recently….

Let’s increase our competitiveness… the reality is about half of our imports, our trade deficit is because of how much oil [we import], so you take that out of the equation, you look at what percentage of it are things that frankly, we don’t want to make in America, you know, cheaper products, low-skill jobs that frankly college kids that are graduating from, you know, UC Cal and Hastings [don’t want], but what we do want is to capture those next generation jobs and build on our investments in our young people, our education infrastructure.

Can you believe that nonsense?  He believes that there are things that “we don’t want to make in America”?

Why is nobody calling for him to resign immediately?

Manufacturing jobs have traditionally been high paying jobs that can support middle class families.

But now we are losing millions of those jobs and the Obama administration simply does not care.

Back in 1970, 25 percent of all jobs in the United States were manufacturing jobs. Today, only 9 percent of the jobs in the United States are manufacturing jobs.

America is being deindustrialized at warp speed and most Americans don’t even understand what is happening.

Look, even if U.S. firms wanted to stay in the United States and try to compete, they face almost insurmountable obstacles….

*Many foreign nations deeply and directly subsidize national industries and the U.S. government lets them get away with it.  That puts our industries at a vast disadvantage.

*The United States has the highest corporate tax rate in the world.  That puts our corporations at a vast disadvantage.

*Many foreign nations do not require businesses to provide health care for their employees.  That puts our businesses at a vast disadvantage.

*Many foreign nations impose very little regulation on businesses.  That puts businesses in the United States at a vast disadvantage.  In the U.S., we have some of the most restrictive regulations in the world.

The truth is that even the “next generation jobs” and the “green jobs” that Obama keeps talking about are rapidly leaving the country.

For example, the third-largest producer of solar panels in the United States, Evergreen Solar, is leaving America.

Evergreen is shutting down its factory in Massachusetts, laying off 800 American workers and moving production over to China.

A recent New York Times article explained why Evergreen is making this move….

Evergreen, in announcing its move to China, was unusually candid about its motives. Michael El-Hillow, the chief executive, said in a statement that his company had decided to close the Massachusetts factory in response to plunging prices for solar panels. World prices have fallen as much as two-thirds in the last three years — including a drop of 10 percent during last year’s fourth quarter alone.

Chinese manufacturers, Mr. El-Hillow said in the statement, have been able to push prices down sharply because they receive considerable help from the Chinese government and state-owned banks, and because manufacturing costs are generally lower in China.

We are losing the “jobs of the future” and Obama is doing nothing about it.

Last year, more than half of all the solar panels in the world were made in China.

China is absolutely killing us on the global economic stage and Obama does not even seem to think that it is a problem.

The U.S. trade deficit with China in 2010 was 27 times larger than it was back in 1990.

Not only that, the United States now spends more than 4 dollars on goods and services from China for every one dollar that China spends on goods and services from the United States.

So don’t listen to any of the nonsense that Obama is spouting about creating jobs.

Not that most of the Republicans are putting forward any good ideas either.

The reality is that our politicians have lied to us.  Globalism is absolutely destroying our economy.

Do you remember when the United States was the dominant manufacturer of automobiles and trucks on the globe?  Well, in 2010 the U.S. ran a trade deficit in automobiles, trucks and parts of $110 billion.

We are losing ground in almost every industry that you could name.  Even the “jobs of tomorrow” are mostly being created overseas.

Andy Grove, the former CEO of Intel, says that our advanced technology companies are creating far more jobs overseas than they are in the United States….

Some 250,000 Foxconn employees in southern China produce Apple’s products. Apple, meanwhile, has about 25,000 employees in the U.S. That means for every Apple worker in the U.S. there are 10 people in China working on iMacs, iPods, and iPhones. The same roughly 10-to-1 relationship holds for Dell, disk-drive maker Seagate Technology (STX), and other U.S. tech companies.

When is someone going to wake up America?  If we are even losing “advanced technology” jobs, then what kind of jobs are going to be left?

In 2002, the United States had a trade deficit in “advanced technology products” of $16 billion with the rest of the world.  In 2010, that number skyrocketed to $82 billion.

Needless to say, that is not a good trend.

Our politicians promised us that the “global economy” would mean more jobs and more prosperity for us.

Well, that was obviously a giant lie.

Today, if you gathered together all of the unemployed people in the United States, they would make up the 68th largest country in the world.

If we allow all of this “free trade” nonsense to continue, our unemployment nightmare is going to continue to get worse and even more of our formerly great cities will end up looking like total hellholes just like Detroit does.

Sadly, virtually all of our politicians in both political parties are in favor of these “free trade” agreements.  In fact, most of them are pushing these kinds of agreements as one of the “solutions” to our problems.

The U.S. economy is being dismantled and deindustrialized right in front of your eyes.

If you plan on speaking out, you better do it now because it is almost too late to stop what is being done.

It is up to you America.

  • Piglet

    [Sadly, virtually all of our politicians in both political parties are in favor of these “free trade” agreements. In fact, most of them are pushing these kinds of agreements as one of the “solutions” to our problems.]

    – Of course. Politicians represent the interests of the corporations that buy them, and those companies want jobs shipped overseas. The politicians do their best to facilitate this process while giving us lip service.

  • A Lot Of people in this once Great Country Can
    Talk The Talk But Have No Idea How To Walk The Walk.Well Do You Loudmouths Have What it Takes
    To Pull Up Your Pants And Do Something?

    • Creaturz

      Heck no. They’re already road pizza on the road to global progress.

  • r.bitting

    “I will bless those that bless you and curse those that curse you” Genesis 12:3. Dividing God’s land and standing against his people has historically never proven to be a career move for the nations that tried it. This will be America’s downfall. That and the complete moral collapse that’s presently taking place here. The job situation, the economy, the crime, the natural disasters, getting the leaders that we deserve, all of it, these are just the symptoms of the disease. It’s all coming undone and theres only one way it can be stopped. Repentance. So, you can expect more and more jobs to go to other nations, as if that should be our most immediae concern… “The alien who is among you shall rise higher and higher above you and you shall come down lower and lower. He shall lend to you, but you shall not lend to him. He shall be the head and you shall be the tail” Deuteronomy 28:43-44

    • That Sojourner

      I am in total agreement with you. Man has decided to neglect God’s way of life. They have fallen into the snare of Satan. We are now feeling the repercussions of God turning His back on America.

  • The reason the jobs are going overseas is because;

    1. Tort law.

    2. 50+1 state and federal laws that have to be observed.

    3. No energy policy.

    4. Labor cost are reasonable when you take into account American workers are 10 times more productive than third world workers.

    5. Taxes.

    If the United States cut the corporate tax rate to zero and had tort law reform we would have plenty of jobs here.

    • Michael

      I agree with you on 1, 2, 3 and 5 but I am not with you on number 4.

      The reality is that American workers (especially young ones) tend to be a bit lazy. There is no way that they are 10 times more productive than third world workers.


    • Gary2

      tort reform=corporate welfare.

    • Stop blaming it on globalism

      4. Totally wrong on number four.

      If Americans were so much more productive then jobs won’t be leaving.

      If anything labor is much more productive overseas relative to cost.

      5. Agree with you on 5 though.

  • John B.

    There’s a few more advantages to outsourcing that you forgot to mention:

    American companies do not have to pay Social Security taxes for overseas employees. Most people don’t realize that their employer pays 1/2 of their SS taxes directly.

    Workplace, and product liability litigation (so prevalent in the US), is almost non-existent in foreign countries. Slip and fall in an overseas factory, and you get fired.

    China, and many other countries are manipulating their currency value by buying dollars. This helps to make their products cheaper, and US products more expensive.
    There’s a great explanation of how this works from “The Bears” here:

    • Michael

      Very good comments, and you are exactly right – I could have gone on and on about the advantages of shipping jobs out of the country.

      Once you really examine this issue, it becomes hard to believe that we still have the number of jobs in this country that we actually do. Almost everything is slanted in the direction of sending jobs out of the good old USA.


  • daniel

    we are being screwed from every angle possibly imaginable…and nobody seems to worry…nobody seems to care. GIVE ME THE BEER, THE FOOTBALL,THE BLUNT, AND THE ASS, AND I’M GOOD BRO PARTY ON WOOOOOOOO HOOO!!!! The stupidity is driving me insane, we deserve what were getting

    • Conductor G

      Well said. Direct and to the point.

  • callmecordelia1

    I recently watched the History channel’s “America: The Story of Us”. I found it a good refresher on how our country came to be, etc., but what really struck me was a common thread running through our history: Industry. Our country has had VERY difficult times since the first pilgrims set foot on this land. Almost without exception, every time we have been in our deepest, darkest hours, we have pulled ourselves out through INDUSTRY. It’s what we do. It’s what we are built on. Now that that’s gone, how do we get out of this?? It seems so obvious to me. And Obama says those are jobs “we don’t want anyway…” ??? Sheesh. We’re in trouble.

  • Ken

    Hay Obama and all you rich idiots running our companies, think for a minute. Who is going to buy all these cheep products you are going to make in China and elsewhere? Is this what you were taught is school with all the high priced education? Sounds like one great business plan. Destroy your customers means of purchasing your product. I think any 5 year old child has more wisdom than you idiots.

    • Nickelthrower


      Let me answer that question for you. China.

      China is going to buy their products and they are going to do so with credit. Much of this free trade stuff is actually a way for our financial institutions and big brand companies to get into foreign markets. All those Chinese factory workers are going to need credit cards and once they have them then they can buy their own cheap crap.

      The American consumer is tapped out and tired. The Asian consumer is just getting started and they have a population that just dwarfs ours. 160 years ago, China was 1/2 of the world’s GDP and America was a backwater nation of farmers. We are returning to that time once again.

    • jaihawk

      Ken, you are right, but they don’t care. It isn’t about profit. It’s about control. Order out of chaos. A chaos they are counting on. It’s all planned.

  • Colin

    President Obama is aware that jobs will be lost. His administration has attempted to create a program that would train the workers in new skills for the jobs of the future. The Republicans have blocked these attempts.

    Every time I hear our government promoting these illusory jobs of the future, I think these people don’t know what century they are in. This isn’t the Industrial Revolution where there were jobs in the new revolution. A person could shift from being a skilled craftsman into a line worker at a factory, and this person was competing against their neighbors and family.

    I am unable to name one new job of the future. I am competing against both organic and non-organic workers. I see two occupations being created for the worker in the future -the slave and the revolutionary, and neither of these occupations are new.

  • Buzzulepuff

    Protectionism is not the answer either that was what started the last depression. America should stop subsidising everything (Agriculture, Banks, Rich People etc.) Then the economy might actually grow.
    New Zealand has very little tarrifs on all imports yet seem to be doing better than America on most sectors. Especially Agriculture (Dairy in particular) [No direct subsides either] Why is that?????
    Monsanto might be one reason though.

    • Mark

      Buzzulepuff, You are correct. If we followed what our Founding Fathers had in mind this economy would grow after we pay down our debts. Till we start to pay them down, we are stuck with this mess for a long time to come.

    • Atilla77

      There’s that word “protectionism”, try balanced trade try instead, free trade is fine as long as its balanced. Personally I could care less about New Zealand and what they do.

      • Michael

        Very good point


  • Mad Max

    I know it’s easy to blame our problems on the politicians, but our problems are way too complex for politicians and bankers to solve. We think in simple terms. It’s way too late for small thinking. It’s time to think big and act big – Or we’ve had it!

    OsiXs (More Power and Technology to the People!)


      Mad Max,

      I disagree. It is long past time for the American people to take a stand and say, “that’s it, enough”. If people don’t take a stand now, there won’t be anything left of the country to stand for. Specific policies that are completely banker friendly are the root cause of America’s problems.

  • The way NAFTA has gone down, how it has been implemented, and who has benefited from it… well I use the term “economic terrorist” to describe corporations, businesses, and politicians who have pulled the rug from under the American worker. The American worker, the poor and the middle-class has been left to fend for themselves within the very country that helped put those entities in power in the first place… this is what we get. Remember – economic coercion is violence in slow motion. And they have taken our pay, our benefits, food from our family, destroyed our home, and placed us in the street.

    We as Americans haven’t lifted a finger to stop it. We are satisfied with our cable subscriptions, internet, and fast-food. So who’s gonna’ take one for the team and go kick their ass? Not me. I got a family to raise. We all have excuses. So it will go on.

    • Atilla77

      You hit the nail on the head Dodge.

  • gary2

    I read a good book called the high cost of low prices. I can’t remember the author but it was very good.

    • Ellen Ruppel Shell. It’s a great book!!!!!!

  • PaulF

    You’re a voice crying in the wilderness, sadly. You know, I know it. We’re simply screwed: there’s no turning the ship around at this point.

    What a total and complete joke Obama’s “job speech” is going to be. It’s silly to even point that out.

    I shy away from conspiracy but elites (including our teleprompter-based Commander In Chief) simply must know “what’s going on”. There has to be a broad purpose to this.

  • It is all too late to do anything about it. Even if we tried to stop the flood with tariffs. First, Americans would be mad that you are making things more expensive in United States retail outlets. Second, the world would retaliate and shut down all trade with the US. Sending the globe into economic collapse. No one would be happy.

  • SC23

    I think we are in the middle of a massive global financial and social equalization. We (the US) have lived on free money and cheap labor for too long.

    When we want something and we cant afford it, we borrow. When we want something cheap, we have our slave labor whip it up for us.

    Sooner or later the money we borrow and the slaves we enlist to make things will say enough is enough and Im afraid now is the time. I think the trend is irreversible and the standard of living will continue to degrade until there is some kind of parity on the global scale. I think it will be a slow and painful slide..especially for those who thought all they had to do was take out massive loans for college to get the house on the hill and the 3 car garage.

    Life for gen X and Y is gonna suuuuck..

  • Rick

    Yup that pretty much sums up capitalist America. Greed Growth profit. Dare I mention the name karl Marx? OOops quick check under the bed! He said it over hundred years ago. A logical conclusion to capitalism is that it will eventually destroy itself. He was right. Here we have a system based on one objective only. Profit. That obective has nothing to do with mankinds welfare or the panets welfare. It works well on a small scale or when it starts up. The problem is when you forward wind to 2011 and it’s Global. This objective means if you can turn a profit destroying the Amazon rain forest you do it. It also means growth which of course means consumption of finite resources. FINITE. Exponential population growth travels in tandem with economic growth. The first “tell” of a problem is Government borrowing. They do not have enough to sustain the current population so they borrow on the basis of future growth. It never of course materialises because it cannot. It’s all coming to a head at once. Peak oil, Peak everything, bee CCD. Bring it on. It’s time we started thinking again and started running coutries on the basis of common sense not the opinions of lobby groups and left or right wing fringe groups. Rational common sense. We can kick off with what are sustainable population level is without fossil fuel or mined phosphates. We going to find out soon enough…LOL

  • Nostradamus

    This writeup by Michael blaming America job problems on free trade is completely false. He blames NAFTA for causing job loss. Well, NAFTA actually grew jobs and increased prosperity.

    Fact: the US-Canada portion of NAFTA has increased trade 3 times and is responsible for 30 million good paying jobs in the US. And this is true today. It is only because of NAFTA that US gets access to Canada’s considerable oil/gas at a low cost (i.e. no military expense) and is now its biggest supplier. In exchange, just about every major companies have opened shops in Canada and have profited immensely without any loss of US jobs. Canada buys a huge amount of goods from the US – two way transaction being $400 billion per year. Fact: US did lose jobs to Mexico especially in auto, but hardly in any other sector. The job loss to Mexico did not cause any de-industrilization of US auto industry – other factors did. In exchange, Mexico became a major oil supplier to the US, again without the considerable military expense associated with Middle East oil. Tell me how many middle-class jobs Mexico ‘stole’ from America, a country that’s classified as developing, technologically backward, and send millions of farm workers to the US for slave wages.

    Go around shops and tell me how many products you see are labelled made in Canada or Mexico. You can hardly find any from Mexico – most are low end autos and some Japanese electronics. Canada produces and export to the US a lot more – many are high tech, but a great deal are natural resources that’s not available in the US. So NAFTA benefits far far exceeds the cost, and have produced a big net job increase in all the 3 countries.

    Now let’s be specific: NAFTA is only an agreement to reduce tariff on specific set of goods. That’s it – it does not deal with trade in services, or labor, or regulations, or money, or technology, or any industry on culture and media. It is a very limited agreement. That it gets so much blame is hard to explain, but I notice 99% of the blame comes from the US – who is now a country of blamers because of tough time. You won’t hear a thing out of Canada or Mexico.

    Now go around the malls and see that so, so much of the stuff are made in China. Go to the container ports along the Pacific coast and you’d be amazed at the line up of ships and number of containers unloaded per year. They are in the millions. Now go to China and you’d be equally amazed at the tremendous build up of factories, infrastructure, cities, etc etc. Now let me bring up some fact Americans do not want to know:


    Yet, this trade between China & US is responsible for the massive import of goods, and thus the massive loss of jobs, skills, factories, technologies, and yes, investment money. The impact is far far bigger than little NAFTA. See, it is the US companies, by choice, who made this improbable arrangement very feasible. Even without a single trade agreement. Even when the government of both countries are totally free to enact any laws, regulations, punishments, tax and tariff it wanted. But they did not. Let me repeat the uncomfortable fact:


    Have you notice any Chinese companies setting up shops in good ol’ US of A? Hiring people by the thousands like Japanese companies, or Canadian or British companies? NO. If you go around Canadian shopping malls you will also find an equal amount of stuff made in China. Do you see giant loss of jobs, de-industrilization of Canada, as a result? NO.

    It is very easy to blame trade agreements. Trade agreements are actually very limited because they deal only with goods and deal with tariff issues. They are actually restrictive because they define what can and cannot be done. Far more insidious are the non-free trade kind of trade. Because then companies are not limited to anything as long as the government is not limited to anything. And the US government is not limited to anything with respect to China. Why? They want US corporations to MAXIMIZE PROFITS. That means MINIMIZE EMPLOYMENT. It is deliberate policy or both government and corporate CEOs to maximize profit and minimize jobs in America. And it has succeeded. And they are not about to destroy their good times by enacting a free-trade agreement with China. 🙂

  • bobcat

    Labor costs in China are less the 1/20th what they are in the US. That alone is why the jobs are being air-mailed to China.

    If corporate taxes were cut to zero, environmental and safety regulations eliminated, it would not bring the jobs back. The labor costs swamp out all other.

  • Save the Republic

    This will only help the stock market, not the actual economy and jobs.

    Thanks a lot Obama. You’re a bum!

  • shypuffadder

    This sucking of American jobs will continue and we will quietly and desperately go along with the scenario until the unemployment rate goes above 50%. In the meantime, there are 401Ks and pension funds looking exactly like easy targets. We will wake up, but not until the American dream is over.

  • As an outsider from South Africa I can add another scary thought. How long will it be before the Chinese or other Asian countries reach the conclusion that they now have your technology and the know-how to produce all these “advanced technology” products. Why involve anyone at all that just skims the tops off their profits? Once they think they do not need you any more, things might get even worse.

    • Michael

      Good point!


  • Owen

    The real reason all of this is happening is the American ruling class is committed to a New World Order that has no place in it for independent nations, and even worse, the rest of us keeping voting their lackeys into office. Apparently, they expect that the world they are creating will operate much like it does now in the U.S. — that moving jobs from America to China is no different than moving jobs from Michigan to Alabama. I find it very interesting that this development is foretold in the Bible. If you have not already read it, you need to do so as the Bible contains an outline of history and much of the Good Book is actually comprised of “history written in advance.”

  • patriot alice

    How depressing..No answers…All valid points….All we can do is unravel high taxes and many other legislations that have brought us to this point..Back to basics America…

  • bachu

    Truth is lazy fat ass Americans can’t compete physically or mentally with people from other parts of the world. The only thing left is to call the hard working peoples from parts of the world that can compete slaves. It is true that America did quite well when slavery was legal and yes there are many Americans who still yearn for those bygone days. The article presents a laundry list of why Americans can’t compete with “foreign/colored” peoples at the same time have no qualms about rallying behind the phony 9/11 hysteria. Their government is spending $2.5 billion / week fighting the most impoverished peoples on the planet for the last 10 years. US is not a free market economy by any stretch of the imagination. If it were so I would not be using scented candles and toilet paper made in the USA. But all is not lost. With the largest prison population of any country on earth – dollar for dollar and pound for pound the American prison slave labor force should be able to hold their own against any so called foreign slave labor force.

    • Save the Republic

      Yeah, that’s why Americans invented 3/4 of everything in use in the civilized world, including the media you are using now. Hard to imagine most of these wonderful inventions came about without slavery. You’re just pissed because they pay you in elephant food where you reside (if you work at all), and we won’t work for that. How many peanuts do they give you for a 12 hour workday in your homeland anyway?

  • Matt

    whenever these people in power call something “free trade” you can be assure its nothing but setting up slave labor in other countries for mega corporations so they can sell you $8 plastic items at walmart.

  • Tim

    But tonight Obama will announce his plan to create jobs! Right.

    • r.bitting

      Yes, and then after they pass it, maybe pharaoh will let the people go….. into the great depression.

  • karen

    I speak out so much and NO one listens, I am on the crap list at my job because I don’t follow the herd, I have my own mind and intend to use it, the powers to be which are the globle elite have had this planned for a long time and that is to turn America into a less than a third world country and they seem to be winning. People just don’t want to do any thing about this, they just want their comfort zone but that will change real soon, the National Inflation Association just put out an article about implementing Martial Law in Paterson NJ they they want to see how people will react will they atand up for their rights or just hid their heads in the sand we will see.

  • mondobeyondo

    A sneak peek into what President Obama will say in tonight’s upcoming jobs speech:

    “Let Me Be Clear!(tm) I hereby give the American people my personal pledge and guarantee, that every single unemployed citizen in this great country will be employed before New Year’s Day of 2012! (CLAP! CLAP! Nonstop cheering, etc.) That’s correct!! Every unemployed person in America will be working by the end of this year! They will be building, manufacturing, constructing, creating. This is not a “can-do” nation, we are a “will-do” nation! And we WILL get this done!” CLAP! CLAP!

    (and to hell with what the republicans in congress have to say about it, hee hee)

    “Now, I’ve established a national hotline, with assistance from the State Department, the FBI, Department of Agriculture, Department of Homegrown Security, and other government agencies, to ensure that you all get full and gainful employment. All you have to do is, after this speech tonight, dial 1-555-WORK-NOW. Lines will be swamped, so keep dialing. Set your smartphone to autodial for the next 48 hours if you have to. Let’s get America moving again! Thank you and God Bless America!!” CLAP! CLAP! Yaaayyyyy! Etc.
    (press 1 for jobs in New Delhi.
    press 2 for jobs in Shanghai.
    press 3 for jobs in Manila.
    press 4 for jobs in Tokyo.
    press 5 for jobs in Nairobi…….)

  • Dan

    What we need to do is hasten the demise of this corrupt system.


  • Missy

    Great article Michael, as usual. This should have been brought up in the presidential debate, as it seems to be VERY important. As usual we don’t hear it on the news. I am thankful I read your site!!!

  • rick55

    Its a race to the bottom. When Americans are paid 1$/hr the manufacturing jobs will return.

    For now all that’s left is agri-business and weapons.

  • jerry O

    We continue to get sold out.

    Government is only thinking of
    what will get them more money
    and get them re elected.

    They no longer care about the
    people they represent.

    Times are going to continue to
    get harder and harder.

    What to do about this?

    I am so glad I learned the
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  • laura

    America is finished with a zero future. Pinhead puppets run the gov. and are controlled by fascist corporate technocratic rulers. Both dem and rep parties are a farce/puppet show. Voting accomplishes nothing, and no results from patriots work has been seen in fifty years when patriot groups formed. Back in the early 90’s I heard about NAFTA, CAFTA on a short wave radio show: For the people..we are a nation of zombie/pinheads where even at retirement age, it’s real hard to find “real patriots” that are savvy. Most I find are thru websites. Form small groups with like minded people for bartering and resisting when all hell breaks out.

  • Otown Right Guy

    No worries. Obama is giving another jobs speech. Since we know Obama is a business-minded genius and it is a proven fact that government creates jobs, everything should be fine.

  • RBM

    What about the fact that globalization has also pulled millions of workers out of poverty and into middle class status? It is not always about the USA and its well-being. Is it better for poor countries to remain poor or get poorer while US citizens consume ever more?

    Besides, overseas production has created low-cost, and therefore, low-inflation products for the US and other developed economies. You can’t have your cake and eat it too…

  • sharonsj

    And I’d like to add that the quality of these overseas goods suck. I stopped buying electric can openers; they last about 3 months. Any appliances I buy seem to have a good chance of not working, stopping working, or just behaving strangely (like the microwave oven that turned itself on in the middle of the night). So cheaper prices doesn’t mean a thing.

    • Gary2

      you are so right!! I just bought a toaster and one entire side did not work, so back to the store for exchange. All the extra driving negated any savings.

  • Atilla77

    American corporations know we are not serious if we were this scam would have ended decades ago. We could end it all today by boycotting all foreign goods. But the secret is the majority of Americans want free trade especially those with degrees. In their mind the unskilled among us who make and fix things are useless. All they know is when their roof leaks one of us idiots shows up and fixes it. If you are like me and drank beer for your four years you know your job performance may not be any better than the unskilled but I have the paper. This trade agreement will go though just like the rest, but remember this, start asking your doctor if you can see a foreign doctor for less, tell your lawyer you prefer say someone from India, a nurse from south american, a road crew from China, lets just get rid of ALL AMERICAN jobs once and for ALL.

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  • It’s in everybodies hand! STOP buying all this “Un-American Made” products! This is the only way to fight the outsourcing!

  • 007

    I wrote both my senators on these economy gutting trade policies. They wrote back that exports created some jobs for some companies. They would not address that we are losing three jobs for every export job gained.

    They are either clueless or just bought and paid for. That was Senators Corker and Alexander. They are Republicans but the Democrats are even more I’n bed with these multinational corporations. It is definitely time to challenge these guys In a primary challenge.

  • xander cross

    Wait a minute. Who told all of these people to shop at wal-mart, target, sears, home depot, k-mart, and to use everything on credit? I work in retail and these people come in everyday and spend thousands of dollars on junk made in china and they think that they are superior thank minorities. Believe me, I see it everyday. The problem is that people are greedy and they use religion to further their agenda.

  • HerrLT

    If I employed twenty American workers…

    5 would need ‘mart karts’ to get to and from their post due to obesity
    10 would be your average drone. No redeemining qualities, not ambitious, there to collect a paycheck, basically someone who sucks air and consumes things like a good little drone should.
    1 would be a substance abuse ‘charity case’ ready to get John Attorney involved for ‘unfair practicies’
    1 would be an HR manager to prevent above from hapening
    2 would be ‘above average’ hard workers
    and me – the boss man who after making payroll, insurance for employees, operating costs and insurance, taxes and the accountants weekly fee would leave me enough money to make it to the cheap-trinket store (Wal-Mart) to put genetically modified cheap food on my families table so we ourselves don’t go hungry. Wonder why businesses move abroad? Look at the people around you.

  • Rick

    What would you have us do? Those crony Washington politicians just won’t listen to us.

  • Portuguese Man

    Try to learn about “Bieldeberg group”. The explanation for all the events that you wrote is there.
    Here in Europe we have the same problem.
    Good luck… 🙁

  • G

    Put your hat on backwards and just enjoy the music bro!

  • Donald Wilson

    Unfortunately one simple thing was ommitted from an economist standpoint once once the economies of Europe and the United States have collapsed (1930s) depression with numbers,exceeding a combined 100 million unemployed who then will have the resources or the ability to purchase the cheap merchandise from these 3rd world countries. The fact is is it doesn’t matter hpw cheap the merchandise is if your economy has been destroyed. These cheap made merchandise comes with a price.

  • Doctorjay317

    We have to remember that America is the number one capitalist country on this planet and NOT a workers’ nation. The corporations have the politicians in their pockets and they are out to make as much money as they can, by hook or by crook. It’s just like Dracula tasted blood for the first time and keeps wanting more. With ‘free trade’, the corporations realized they could make obscene amounts of money and there is NO turning back. Given the disparities of currency values between the US & developing countries and the social structures, it is impossible to rectify the differences. The tragedy is that you cannot reverse the process and no economist has explained this point. If ALL the current overseas productions of US-owned businesses were moved back to the US and the US also stops buying from overseas sources, we would have inflation rates reaching triple-digits PLUS the US corporations would all go bankrupt because they won’t be able to compete with the production costs of the developing countries. The US accuses these countries of competing unfairly or keeping their currencies artifically low; but it’s been that way for a long, long time before the US started setting up factories in these places. So the accusations are unjustified. The accusations should have gone the other way. The US corporations are exploiting the helplessness of the rural workers in developing countries to line their own pockets and pay multi-million endorsement contracts to stars and athletes. You can call the politicians dumb and they will take that in stride. In fact, they have full knowledge of what’s happening, but the game has to go on because it cannot be stopped. That’s the scary part. Even naive politicians (if they really exist) quickly learn the rules of the political game and just have to go along whether he/she likes it or not. I would like to say ‘God save America’ if he has the strength. Our politicians clearly don’t.

  • xander cross

    Wait a minute. Again, who force all of you to shop at these stores like target, home depot, k-mart, wal-mart and buy all of these things on credit? Credit itself is the problem. Of course greed and corruption, but the voters had a huge hand in all of this economic collpase. Mr Michael, I was talking to people about the layoffs of the post office and just as I suspected, they dismiss my claim and said that I was crazy. Once again, the voters deserved most of the blame for this.

  • Jim

    I looked in the mirror a while back and found myself looking into the face of John Galt.

    I no longer work my a** off only to end up getting royally screwed in taxes. The harder I worked and the longer hours I put in sometimes left me with a smaller paycheck had I just put in no overtime at all, and for what?

    I learned to live austerely and also learned along the way to appreciate the little things in life I never paid any mind to.

    I work just enough to survive with a small safety net and have my plans for when this system comes crashing down.

    I hope you all have plans and supplies, you will certainly need them. Good luck to all of you.

    I will be at some peaceful little mountain lake fishing for trout while the cities ignite into civil war. I am a fighter but there’s no point in trying to help, no one will listen and the first one you try to help might be the first to try and slit your throat. Screw ’em!

    Read “The Camp of the Saints”, it says it all.

  • Kevin2


    “Protectionism is not the answer either that was what started the last depression.”

    That is not a true statement. The financial markets collapsed as too easy credit was tightened. Smoot / Hartley came out after the great depression was in full effect.

    Regardless of the above at that time we traded on a close to level playing field trading with nations having a comparable standard of living.

    You must protect yourself from slave labor or become slave labor.

  • Prepping for the Future

    Here is great book about the left. Righteous Indignation: Excuse Me While I Save the World! Of course Gary won’t read it might force him to grow up and face the truth!

  • Bob

    As long as the costs of shipping goods across the oceans or over land remains cheap this will continue. It is true that US businesses are at a disadvantage when competing with overseas manufacturing. Government regulations and taxes certainly add signifcantly to the cost of doing business in the US but we should carefully consider the impacts of eliminating them. Do we really want US wages to drop down to match our competitors? Are we ready to accept the destruction of the environment that comes with the lack of regulation? (Read up on Beijing’s air quality or the condition of many of the rivers in China for one example.) Should retirement be relegated to history except for the wealthy? Are healthcare benefits an unreasonable expectation for workers?

    As long as “free trade” exists in its current form it will create a long term downward pressure on US wages, benefits and the environment. Eventually, US workers will achieve parity with our 3rd world competitors. I think from a corporate perspective that is the desirable outcome that will make US labor viable.

    Of course, every time we as individuals choose the cheaper foreign made product over a US made equivalent we are choosing this outcome as well.

    • javamann

      ‘Do we really want US wages to drop down to match our competitors?’
      I don’t have a job, ergo, no wage at all!
      (Half a loaf………..?)

  • Bob Marshall

    It is hard to deny we do deserve what is happening to this nation.Too many consider it unpatriotic to speak out against the government.Too many in America has been dumbed down by the cororate elite controlled news media.

    • Mike

      Maybe some people deserve it, like the greedy pigs, but not all of us. What has the poor and working classes done to “deserve” this? NOTHING.

  • Mario

    People, people we can’t blame all this on others. We have to look at ourselves, we are part of the problem because we are allowing it to happen.

    • Natalie

      That’s absurd. Ever since people were talking about how wonderful NAFTA would be for the country I and many others saw the writing on the wall and spoke out against it strongly. I bought American goods and refused to buy foreign made. I wrote letters and made phone calls to my state and local representatives asking them not to use non-American goods or non-American labor. I voted for Ross Perot. People thought I was blowing things all out of proportion and that globalism was good.

      What should I and others like me have done to NOT deserve this? The one and only thing people can do to fight back is to expose globalism as evil. It is. It’s a system that was intended to make serfs of everyone but the few billionaires that own the world. The first depression began partially because rich industrialists attempted to globalize. This new depression began partially for the same reason. I’m not sure that it’s possible to fight back against a non-representative government as we now have short of armed revolution. I sure don’t want that, but it may be coming.

  • half full

    Anyone else see the new dollar backed by China? Or is that just a fabricated story?

  • Gay Veteran

    “…It is absolutely amazing that the Obama administration continues to tout more “free trade” agreements as a way to increase employment in the United States….”

    No it is not amazing, Obama is obeying his korporate masters (just like the GOP does).

    “…Sadly, nearly half the country is still going to run out and vote for the guy in the next election….”

    Because too many people are nostalgiacrats (they support the Democratic Party the way it USED to be), just like many people are nostaligacans (they support the Republican Party the way it USED to be).

    economics9698: “…If the United States cut the corporate tax rate to zero and had tort law reform we would have plenty of jobs here….”

    jeez, how many corporations actually pay this horrible tax rate? You got gigantic multi-national corporations paying ZERO taxes, and in fact are getting refunds.

    As for tort law, that allows people who are injured to have their day in court. Of course the financial oligarchy hates that.

  • hmmm.

    OK- If all first world countries send their jobs overseas, who will be able to afford to buy those goods? Answer: Only rich people. That huge sucking sound is the middle class wealth being wiped out from first world countries, and it is being depositied into your future masters bank account.

  • mary heavens

    out sourcing should be immediately stopped

  • old Dave

    Got to wonder, once everything is
    Made in China, then we go to war
    against them – where will we get
    our goods ?

    • mondobeyondo


    • David in Spain

      @old Dave – if the USA and China ever did go to war it would be like Siamese twins leaping off a bridge. An economic mutual suicide pact. The countries are joined at hip. I don’t think it would ever happen though, as American corporations are too heavily invested in China. If a US President ever did move seriously in that direction, a hundred CEO’s including the likes of Apple, Microsoft, Intel, WallMart and all of Wall Street would let him know the reality of the situation and yank his chain real hard. Sabre rattling in either country is only theatre for domestic consumption.

  • JD

    Just got fininshed vomiting. Oh, wait that was just Barry O’s jobs speech. Nothing but lies, repetetion, contradictions, and guilt trips. Where is this 450 billion going to come from? WE ARE BROKE!!! He says he will put construction workers and teens back to work but it sounds to me hes only helping his union buddies get work. The average american is sick of this bullshit. I thought the first stimulus was going to fix all our crumbling infanstructure. I guess more “shovel ready” jobs are on the way.

  • echo

    Never fear, the feds will move our land fills 50 miles further from town. This will require more equipment and workers.

  • Mike S

    Ron Paul would end this insanity. Ron Paul 2012.

    • Alessia

      In your dreams Mike! The real people pulling the strings are the Rothschilds and rest of the banker clan. The president is just a puppet put in lace to do their bidding. Have you not noticed that when someone with other more rational ideas that go against the grain comes along, he simply gets removed from the picture? Think JFK. Do you seriously believe that those sods are afraid of a little old man? Ghadaffi had it right when he said the only real way to democracy is for the people to run the country by way of communities. Placing your faith in one person or another as we do in the US will never be the formula to a true democracy. Besides which, the votes are rigged.

  • the Beast

    Corporatism is a horrible invention made by the Devil.
    You can not create a fictitious entity to cover your bad deed. Corporates are shield used by irresponsible-greedy people.

  • Apart from this, US jobs have already been exported to countries like ‘india’ where its known for CORRUPTION/SCAMS/FRAUDS/BRIBERY, now US companies get cheap labor apart from EXECUTIVES hands are greased well!

    UK realizing this recently put all ‘india’s company’ doing business in UK under UK BRIBERY ACT.

    Further, in india almost daily you hear news of FAKE DEGREE scams……so now you get CHEAP and well educated labor to REPLACE AMERICAN/US worker!

    But US is sleeping or is intentionally ignoring?

  • Charles F Moreira

    I live in Malaysia and recall books such as Megatrends by John Naisbitt, Third Wave by Alvin Toffler and others speak about how the US is moving towards an information and services economy, while “sunset” manufacturing industries “decline” -i.e. are shipped out to developing countries.

    Then in the 1990s, the business and information technology media spoke about how globalisation would “benefit” everyone.

    I never believed them and even though I write about information technology, I still believe that manufacturing provides mass employment.

    While Malaysia has benefited from the influx of manufacturing and now information technology jobs, the higher labour costs here compared to our neighbours in South East Asia, has resulted in an outflow of manufacturing operations to our neighbours, while the government here, applying the same American management and economic logic, has been trying to move Malaysia “up the value chain.”

    Now while that’s not bad in principle, still, information technology jobs can’t provide a decent wage for everyone and the information technology industry is not a provider of mass employment for the majority of people, unlike manufacturing.

    It’s interesting though, that those authors referred to above, who were hailed as “visionary gurus” by the media then; are now rather silent on the current decline of the US economy, which their “sunrise” and “third wave” industries have not prevented.

    I fully agree with what Eamonn Fingleton wrote in hos book – In Praise of Hard Industries – Why Manufacturing, Not the Information Economy is the Key to Future Prosperity.

    Globalisation and free trade deals must be stopped in their tracks.

  • mondobeyondo

    Ross Perot was right. But too many people dismissed him as a crackpot. He got a few votes in 1992, but not enough to get a nomination.

    Ron Paul is right. But too many people dismiss him as a nut job. He may get even fewer votes than Perot did. Shame, because he came in SECOND to Bachmann in the Iowa straw poll a couple weeks ago.

    Most likely, come January 20, 2013, our next President will be Obama again, or maybe Romney, Perry or Bachmann. Could even be Palin! (Sarah, not Michael. Wish Michael Palin would run though. Monty Python’s Flying White House Circus!!)

    And nothing will change, and it will be another damn talking head promising hope and change, same as we’ve had the past 40-50 years now. “Same as it ever was… same as.. it ever.. waaas…..” (Talking Heads, 1985). How apropos!!

  • George Houchens

    It is true that Americans are rapidly losing their manufacturing capacity and ultimatley their manufacturing knowhow. Consider for example, investment casting. How many top quality investment casting plants do we have left in the USA? Almost all of them are now in Asia. What would happen if we needed to mobilize for war in a hurry? This is not only an economic issue … it is a national security concern.

  • jimmy

    That giant sucking sound is coming from Obama.

  • Lucius

    Americans will do nothing. Our only hope are the out elites, brains and technocrats who are currently flipping burgers. The fanatical corps of potential new leaders, if you will.

  • Paul

    Just look where your products are made, then make a decision whether to buy them.

    Also ask how they are made – child labor, etc.

    And ask who owns the factories and what risk do these owners take when one of these factories is closed down vs. the risks the workers are facing when the factory is closed.

    And maybe it is time to elect a different party in the US. If A hasn’t been of much help these last years, and B before them neither, and A before them not, and B before them not, why choose A or B ever again?

    How about C or D? They can’t do much worse, can they?

  • Paul

    Oh come on – American cars really suck – the gas out of the tank. Who can afford the high costs?

  • El Pollo de Oro

    “It’s not free trade, it’s slave trade.” —Gerald Celente

  • Lennie Pike

    economics 9698:

    Another objection to your reason #4 – if labor costs in the U.S. are reasonable, how can #4 be a reason that jobs are going overseas? It would be a reason for jobs to remain in the U.S. wouldn’t it?

    Looks like somebody tried to slip one in there – it’s just that a huge square peg like that one doesn’t just “slip” into that very small hole and is immediately noticed.

    Looks like economics 9698 needs to go back to school and take economics 101 all over again.

  • Lennie Pike


    I think verything you said was true except for one, and that:

    The cost of shipping goods by sea or by land would have to multiply many many times over (will only happen due to inflation eventually) for their slave labor to be forfeited.

  • John S

    How about a 1,000 percent income tax on every one of Apple’s 250,000 foreign employees? Just to level the playing fields a bit.

  • JerryParker

    Many folks still look up to Ronald Reagan as some kind of great patriot. He, along with Canada`s Brian Mulroney of at least equally execrable memory, started the free trade ball rolling, which has rolled over and crushed Americans. (It has not crushed Canadians quite so much due to the great differences between the types of our economies, but it has negatively affected manufacturing here, too, in our Dominion.)

    Why not burn Reagan and Mulroney in effigy every July 4th (Independence Day) and July 1 (Dominion Day)? This would be a worthwhile custom to establish to remind us every year of the infamy of American and Canadian highly placed traitors.

    • EisernesKreuz

      Although Ronald Reagan was not a fiscal conservative by any means, he was the most protectionist president in american history. You clearly don’t know what youre talking about.

  • Dave C

    In my opinion, there are two simple solutions (to expound anyway)that would curb the job loss and save the US economy–in the short term, and that is to stop importing oil, and impose tariffs on foreign goods.

    Protectionism–another word for common sense.

  • Gerold Martin

    This article makes you wonder. After the ‘jobs’ speech, some Republicans were criticizing Obama because some trade agreements are waiting on his desk for signature.

    It seems some in the GOP want free trade also.

    I note the term ‘greedy corporations’. I guess that is better than the greedy government….

  • John Taylor

    Right on Jim. That parallels my experience. The masses will wake up when an EMP weapon knocks out Dancing with the stars. When they come out with the guns, they will be mowed down like ants by foreign soldiers. Better to be aware and prepared.

  • Mary Ratcliff

    The Bible speaks about this – alot.

    Deuteronomy 28:43 The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.
    Deuteronomy 28:44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.

    Hosea 7:9 Strangers have devoured his strength, and he knoweth it not: yea, gray hairs are here and there upon him, yet he knoweth not.

    Ezekiel 28:7 Behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations: and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness.

    Ezekiel 30:12 And I will make the rivers dry, and sell the land into the hand of the wicked: and I will make the land waste, and all that is therein, by the hand of strangers: I the LORD have spoken it.

    We need to turn to God with all our hearts and
    put away foolishness. Will America do that?
    Probably not.

    • r.bitting

      EXLELLENT, MARY!!!!!!

      • r.bitting

        Sorry, it’s ” EXCELLENT ” Mary.. I will learn to proof read someday

  • Government is only thinking of
    what will get them more money
    and get them re elected.

    They no longer care about the
    people they represent.

    Times are going to continue to
    get harder and harder.

    What to do about this?

    I am so glad I learned the
    answer in a web site I
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    How to Profit like the Ultra-Rich in Times of Economic Chaos

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  • Rockdisjoint

    Protectionism only impoverishes, then again I know you republicans have a fetish for poverty and suffering….

  • Stop blaming it on globalism

    Stop blaming all the problems on free trade and globalism.

    Globalism is needed to control world population and setup a more centralize control center.

    Someone needs to do it.

    Also lets say things are made in the USA, how much will living standards really be? How many things can you really afford? You always have to close some to gain some.

  • boeing engineer

    Washington State, where I live, has been bleeding high tech jobs to other states for years. It’s time we introduced protection for our jobs. For example, there is no reason for aircraft production to move to N. Carolina. Same with software. It’s better we ignore the real reasons manufacturers relocate jobs and deal emotionally with the problem. That way, we can sustain and grow our economy. State tariffs, high taxes on companies who earn money out of state, etc., are the only way to go.

  • I agree that we American citizens ought to be included in the negotiations that include our job security anc career path.
    TRY the web site and tell me what you think!

  • Yep guys, Ross Perrot was right. Jobs went to the Carribbean where jobs belong :-). Let’s elect Ross as president of the U.S. of A. Ihope he is running again :-0 Optimistic, as always.

  • Maurn

    Everybody quit buying this crap from overseas.Refuse to buy at Wally-world.
    Buy local every thing or go without.
    No one from the right or left can get us out of this mess.Foolish to think one man can.
    Get a gun, a garden and a good bottle of whiskey….. were all f%#&– at this point.Your wasting your energy on politics anymore, Your on your own.

  • Winston Smith

    Neocons though want to wave the flag and blame unions, “liberals”, Democrats,etc….and 99% of voters continue this.its over, lets face the fact…get ammo, guns and stock up, pray and dont give them an excuse to blame “white militants”, be calm and dont play into their hands by threats of violence,etc……but prepare….

  • I noticed that AMERICAN CITIZENS ARE OWNERS OF THE USA (LAND (like Fed jurisdiction), government (Federal, state, local), ECONOMIC ENGINE, …) and that by contract the owners representative (who is the U.S. Federal government) coincidentally forgot to punish those who illegally use the land of the USA (for illegal purpose)? Includes commerce of illegal aliens. I expect that you will find that the U.S. Federal government (and/or Mexican government) had created and operates an illegal economic engine (of illegal aliens) BASED UPON NOT PAYING FOR USE OF THE LAND (USA) THEY DO NOT OWN.
    I expect the UNPAID TAX (or other name) for (past and present) unpaid illegal land use to be in the trillions upon trillions of dollars.
    If the owners representative had performed their fiduciary duty to the owners I expect the punishment for illegal use of the land would be the complete deterrence and the subject of illegal alien almost nonexistent.

  • Bob Marshall

    Does anyone not believe Obama is a creation of the Illuminati? google Who Is The Rothschild Family? What Find out about not only the Rothschilds but Obama from childhood to Today. I found out about the NAFTA of the Pacific weeks ago and when i posted no one seemed to know about it. Too many have no idea what is happening to America.

  • Katie Caliente

    Hopefully, the camps will have food, and i’ll just be shot.
    Can’t believe this countries decline!

    I grew up where all this survellience and intrusion was the type of stuff you just heard about.

    More people will probably wish for prison or the camps.

    thankfully, master has provided lots of Nazi Germany movies and propaganda, and we have a good idea of whats next.

    See me in the death camps for motivational speeches and encouraging gospel messages.

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  • A.S.

    I actually voted for Perot. I did so because he sounded like he would run the country like a business, like his own business. Now we have Ron Paul, ironically from the same state. Let’s not make the same mistake twice. Vote for the person that sounds like a Founding Father, not just giving empty promises. Ron Paul 2012 and 2016. Too bad Ron Paul can’t be President indefinitely.

  • World

    Wow you guys are idiots, read an economics book, if its good enough for the world to move to free trade, its good enough for you. Morons.

  • Barbara

    The problem with a global market is when a country doesn’t have anything left to trade which is wear the U.S. is heading right now we are out of the game.

    A global market works great when their manufacturing jobs stay when they originated in their country.

    No manufacturing here in U.S. means nothing left to trade thus total poverty.

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  • pk

    Ross had it right. I have been to Northern Mexico and guess what… brand new huge warehouses some government contractors.. And guess what alot of people have money and they dont have a housing crisis or high unemployment. Yes some areas are really bad due to drug war but basically if you are not inolved in that you are safe.. Some of these people have a ****** load of cash… I see starbucks, american restaurants, people driving new cars. A few factories I saw were goodyear, hawker beechcraft, ford, honeywell, motorola wrangler foxconn remember those of the top of my head.. We need to stop this seriously all of our jobs are in danger companies dont care who does the work anylonger they just care about profits… its terrible to see what world our children will live in.

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