How should people prepare for the difficult years that are coming? I get asked about that a lot. Once people really examine the facts, it is not too hard to convince them that an economic collapse is coming. But once they accept that reality, most of them want to know what they can do to prepare themselves and their families for the hard times that are ahead. Well, the truth is that it does not have to be complicated. Many of the things discussed throughout this article are things that most of us should be doing anyway. Now is not the time to be splurging on luxuries or expensive vacations. Now is not the time to be going into large amounts of debt. Instead, we all need to get back to the basics and we all need to do what we can to become more independent of the system. Just remember what happened back in 2008. Millions of Americans lost their jobs and millions of Americans lost their homes. Now experts all over the globe are warning that another great financial crisis that could be just as bad as 2008 (or even worse) is coming. Those that don't take the time to prepare this time are not going to have any excuse.
But there is also a lot of sensationalism out there. There are some people out there that claim that the economy is going to collapse all at once and that we are going to go from where we are now to some type of a post-apocalyptic "Mad Max" society almost overnight.
Well, that is just not going to happen. We are not going to wake up next week in a world where we are all fighting each other with sharp pointed sticks.
Just like anything else, an economic collapse takes time. I like to describe what is happening using an analogy from the beach. When you build a mighty sand castle, it is not totally destroyed by the first wave that comes along, right?
Well, it is the same thing with the U.S. economy. It was the greatest economic machine that the world has ever seen, and it is most definitely in decline. But there are stages to that decline.
The "wave" that came along in 2008 did a huge amount of damage. Our economy has not recovered from that.
Now another wave is coming. But that will not be the end. There will be other waves after that.
Eventually, this thing is coming all the way down. Someday America will be such a horror show that it will be hard to believe that it is the same place that many of us grew up in.
But in the short-term, we are going to be facing a major league recession and millions of Americans will lose their jobs. It won't be the end of the world, but for some people it may feel like it.
So when you are talking about "how to prepare", the truth is that it depends on what kind of time frame you are talking about.
In the long-term, a lot of the things that even the hardcore survivalists are doing will not be nearly enough.
In the short-term, there are things that all of us can do to weather the coming storm....
Get Out Of Debt
The global financial system is headed for a massive crisis. Just like in 2008, a lot of people are going to lose their jobs and a lot of people are going to lose their homes.
In such an environment, it makes sense to travel as "lightly" as possible.
That means getting rid of debt.
Some forms of debt are worse than others. Mortgage debt is not that bad. We all need somewhere to live, and not all of us can run out and immediately pay off our mortgages.
But there are other forms of debt that are absolutely toxic. A good example of this is credit card debt. There are very few things that are as good at bleeding your finances as credit card debt is. For example, according to the credit card repayment calculator, if you have a $6000 balance on a credit card with a 20 percent interest rate and only pay the minimum payment each time, it will take you 54 years to pay off that credit card.
During those 54 years you will pay $26,168 in interest rate charges on that credit card balance in addition to the $6000 in principal that you are required to pay back. That is before any fees or penalties are even calculated.
But a lot of Americans still have not learned to stay away from credit card debt. In fact, one out of every seven Americans has at least 10 credit cards.
Ouch.
The truth is that in future years there is a good chance that you may be facing a situation where you are not making as much income, so you want to try to start reducing your expenses right now. Getting out of debt will help you to do this.
Save Money
A shockingly high number of American families are operating without any kind of financial cushion whatsoever....
-According to a Harris Interactive survey taken in 2010, 77 percent of all Americans are living paycheck to paycheck.
-According to one recent survey, one out of every three Americans would not be able to make a mortgage or rent payment next month if they suddenly lost their current job.
This is one reason why so many Americans have lost their homes and why so many Americans have fallen below the poverty level in recent years. They simply had no cushion.
Last year, 2.6 million more Americans dropped into poverty. That was the largest increase that we have seen since the U.S. government began keeping statistics on this back in 1959.
Don't let this happen to you. At a minimum, everyone out there should have a cushion that will cover at least 6 months worth of expenses. Preferably, you should have a cushion that will last you at least a year.
Yes, I know that is a tall order. But you would be amazed at how much money the average American family wastes in a typical month. Almost all of us have areas where we can cut back.
Trust me, in the middle of a major recession you will be really glad that you are sitting on a pile of savings.
Get Independent Of The System
What would you do if you lost your job tomorrow?
Would you have any other income?
How long would it be before you lost your home?
Those are very important questions.
The truth is that the system is failing and so we all need to work hard to become more independent of the system.
So what does that mean?
Well, instead of relying on someone else to employ you indefinitely, you can start up a business in your spare time. Yes, it will cut into your television time, but if someday you lose your job you will be extremely happy that you still have some income coming in.
Another way of becoming more independent is to start a garden.
Yes, you can run down the street and buy giant piles of cheap food right now, but that will not be the case forever.
Store Food And Focus On The Essentials
I might get into a little trouble for saying this, but the truth is that there is not going to be a major famine in America in 2012.
However, that does not mean that you should not be storing food and other essentials.
In the old days, our grandparents always saved up food. It was just a natural thing for them to do. This was especially the case if they lived through the Great Depression.
When hard times come, you will be glad that you have food stored up. Plus, food is never going to be cheaper than it is today. Having food stored up is a great hedge against the rising food prices that we will see in the future.
No, we are not going to see hyperinflation by the end of the year like many of the sensationalists are warning. But someday you will be really glad that you stored up food for yourself and your family.
We live in a world that is becoming more unstable with each passing month. You never know when the next natural disaster, pandemic, war or national emergency will strike.
It only makes sense to store food and other basic essentials that you will need in the future.
In a previous article entitled "20 Things You Will Need To Survive When The Economy Collapses And The Next Great Depression Begins", I listed 20 of the things that you would need in the event of a major disaster, a national emergency or a total economic collapse. These are things that you are going to want to make sure that you have ready right now, because after the crisis begins it may be too late to prepare....
#1) Storable Food
#2) Clean Water
#3) Shelter
#4) Warm Clothing
#5) An Axe
#6) Lighters Or Matches
#7) Hiking Boots Or Comfortable Shoes
#8) A Flashlight And/Or Lantern
#9) A Radio
#10) Communication Equipment
#11) A Swiss Army Knife
#12) Personal Hygiene Items
#13) A First Aid Kit And Other Medical Supplies
#14) Extra Gasoline (But Be Very Careful How You Store It)
#15) A Sewing Kit
#16) Self-Defense Equipment
#17) A Compass
#18) A Hiking Backpack
#19) A Community
#20) A Backup Plan
In the comments to that article, the readers suggested the following additional items....
A K-Bar Fighting Knife
Salt
Extra Batteries
Medicine
A Camp Stove
Propane
Pet Food
Heirloom Seeds
Tools
An LED Headlamp
Candles
Clorox
Calcium Hypochlorite
Ziplock Bags
Maps Of Your Area
Binoculars
Sleeping Bags
Rifle For Hunting
Extra Socks
Gloves
Gold And Silver Coins For Bartering
Once again, a lot of these things are not going to be needed right away. The economy is going to go through a lot more ups and downs before it totally dies.
In the short-term, keep an eye on the European debt crisis, the Japanese debt crisis and the U.S. debt crisis. There are a lot of similarities between what happened back in 2008 and what is happening now.
And what happened following the crisis of 2008?
Unemployment shot through the roof.
So be prepared for that.
Make a plan for how you and your family will survive if you end up unemployed.
Also, when it comes to "how to prepare", there is one aspect that is often overlooked.
During the difficult years ahead, we are all going to have to be mentally and spiritually tough.
It won't matter how good your physical and financial preparations are if you are cowardly and paralyzed by fear.
The times that are coming are going to test all of our hearts.
Some people are going to make it and some people aren't.
Some people will become so consumed with fear that they will give up completely.
Don't let that happen to you.
Prepare your heart, soul, mind and body right now for what is coming. For those that are cowardly the years ahead will be a total nightmare, but for those that overcome the fear the years ahead have the potential to be a great adventure.
I asked for a purple Mag Lite flashlight for Christmas that I saw on Amazon and when I opened it up it was huge! You could use it for light, protection, to clear away debris, as a brace, what an amazing addition to our store of survival gear.
We are making it fun. Filling back packs with gear from a list. This does not have to be all doom and gloom. If you have children you could talk to them about how the pioneers came across the country in covered wagons. How sometimes people decide to head off for greener pastures. The satisfaction of being well prepared for in-case scenarios has become a treat for me. I love it.
I also enjoy every day that I get to live normally. If the end of my life comes and no catastrophes intervened I will have spent my time better because each moment of peace and safety means all the more.
Here are some survival suggestions that go hand in hand with Mac’s article.
http://codgerville.wordpress.com/2011/12/14/achieving-true-independence-part-i/
http://codgerville.wordpress.com/2011/12/14/achieving-true-independence-part-ii/
there are other articles on the same site with good info on preparation, awareness and strategies to employ in hard times. The “Great” Depression is going to be remembered as tough times compared to what’s coming.
Good luck to all.
Hosanna, THANKS! Just when the stress level hits red I see your comment & start to laugh. To think, we CAN get through this & it WILL most certainly be an adventure:-) I have 1 girl & 1 boy due Fri so reading all this info about the coming collapse is pretty disheartening but you are so right… it can be a terrific learning experience & we will be like the pioneers who blazed through the countryside in the early days. Anyway, thx again!
A pistol. A rifle is good for long range, but it’s important to have a weapon with you always. Pick a model that fits you. 9mmx19mm is a good (self-defense rounds) and cheap cartridge (FMJ practice cartridges) that is effective against 185 pound predators like large wolves that have been re-introduced to the American Western States. Full-size pistols like Glock 17 are the easiest to shoot well, while the more compact models like Glock 26 hide better at the expense of comfortable shooting. If you are a full-sized male, perhaps a bigger pistol in .45ACP, .45Colt, or .44Magnum would be appropriate.
Good luck.
The influence of the monolithic right-wing hate machine, all of it aimed at President Obama. No other President, except perhaps Bill Clinton, has ever faced anything like it. The audience for this material is largely ignorant and easily swayed. They have a narrow world view and reject anything that conflicts with it, factual or not. That’s hard to beat even with the facts on your side.
Yep that describes republicans and conservatives to a T!
Taken from on point blog about why anyone is a conservative republican.
What??? As usual, short-sighted nonsense.
What facts do you have that supports that Obama and pretty much every politician in Washington is not the problem? What facts do you have that says the Federal Reserve i.e. “The Central Bank” has not stolen our money for greed?
What facts do you have that the been there done that lets kick the can down the road once again will work this time?
What facts do you have that says, people who don’t work are a benefit to the economy? What facts do you have that says when we spend more than we take in will bring us economic prosperity?
What facts do you have that says a Nation that has a higher debt to GDP ratio is on the verge to economic prosperity?
Even liberal Europe including the IMF has says danger is on the horizon. Europe is broke and most countries are on the verge of collapse. Greece is already there, Spain is in bad shape and heading in that direction so is Italy, Ireland. Just read the newspapers. The sources are mostly liberal and they all say the Eurozone is in the danger zone.
Sorry but i’m an independent and the can has been kicked down the road for far too long. Both political parties, the IMF and the Federal Reserve deserve the blame for what’s heading our way.
But go right ahead, believe Obama and stick your head in the sand. Don’t worry everything will be alright.
Very good questions! Very good comeback/reply to those “comments”… Fight on!
What are u talking about? Obama is the worst president sinse Carter. He is a corporatist who doesn’t have a clue about managing and economics. You can’t give away something you don’t have. We need to create wealth, not give it away for free.
RON PAUL DUDE??WTH
Sorry i’m not a Ron Paul supporter.
Well you should be a supporter of Ron Paul. He is not a globalist. All the others are a bunch of paid puppeteers and support the globalists who created this mess and put us all in this dire situation! This would of never happened if we ALL woke up and stormed Washington and impeached all these treasonists scumbags back in 2007. We out number them well over a million to one. The founding fathers were outnumbered and us we just laid down and took it like dumbed down sleeping sheep. They defeated us! SHAME ON US for not fighting back like the founding fathers did!!!!!
Very well said! You know your stuff. You know what has happened and what is occuring.
Were you asleep while the hate filled left attacked Bush II ruthlessly. When you look up “hate filled” in the dictionary you see pictures of left wing hate groups.
No other president has disobeyed the U.S. Constitution in every way, destroyed jobs, tried to establish a fascist police state and been a corrupt influence peddling demagogue as has this evil president.
gary2 you are drinking the cool aid. BOTH side play “lets destroy them” thats how they polarize. thats how you get people to make their minds up cos otherwise they will dither. So it all comes down to;
Do you want government in every part of your life from what food to eat to what temp te thermostat should be to what light bulb to buy and what car to buy (china communism) and suck off the goverment teat for your job and livelyhood
or
less gov leave me along i can do for myself, start a business make money and be self sufficient.
No one as a kid dreams of being a clerk at the DMV or at a tollbooth – they dream of a nice car and house and living.
Thats not attainable as a gov handout lacky
see ya
actually gary2… the one being swayed here is you
“The influence of the monolithic right-wing hate machine, all of it aimed at President Obama. No other President, except perhaps Bill Clinton, has ever faced anything like it.”
You are living in the wrong era. You would have been successful as a court jester circa 1200 AD; instead you’re a no nothing Kool-Aid drinker who bought the t-shirt and now have nothing to show for your mindless, zombie adherence to leftist utopia BS.
Additionally, you’re willfully ignorant. GWB (as flawed as he was) receive far more vitriol from the left than Carter, Clinton, and Obama combined have received from the right.
funny
Gary,
Liberals lie as a matter of course. They speak often of tolerance, yet they only tolerate liberals.
Liberals desire freedom from moral consequence, which can only be secured by a collectivist, totalitarian state. Their ideologies tend inevitably towards world-wide totalitarianism. Their basis of psychology is the elimination of moral responsibility. Any religious person who believes or promotes moral consequence is the enemy of the liberal and must be oppressed. They despise individual power, which is why they despise gun ownership. Liberals are always screaming “it’s for the children,” yet despise all innocence – especially the innocence of a child.
As for the reference to Bill Clinton, liberals love Bill Clinton because of who he is, not in spite of who he is.
great strawman you built there
utter right-wing tripe
Ah, one of the tolerant ones speaks.
Hey folks. Don’t be so hard on Obama.
This is his first job.
Well the progressives were happy to call George Bush a “chimp” so I haven’t heard any similar comments directed at Obama.
your kidding right?
This comment is obviously from a Paid Obamnation pundit!
You’re too obviously biased to be taken seriously!
….you can always depend on the economic and financial illiteracy of Utopian Lefties to sum up anything that confuses them as “Hate”….
They will remain confused, as they cannot do the simplest math…
Blah, blah, blah.
Don’t be such an ass. What is it going take BEFORE you see what is happening to our nation? Faith in Obama has no virtue.
Or are you just being funny.
Gary, you are so full of it. There was more hatred and venom spewed by the media and Hollywood toward George W Bush than any other president. The vast bulk of the media was in the bag for the left, and still is. I am no Bush fan, but come on. At least be remotely accurate.
Ignorant? Why don’t you begin fighting said ignorance by putting a complete subject and predicate in all of your sentences.
David, I say this prayer for you and your family.Lord embrace David and his family deliver them from their hardships.I pray Jesus bind any and all demons influencing his mother in the name of Jesus Christ release this woman and bother her no more,bring David’s family together ,heal old and fresh wounds so they can come together and Love each other and worship our Lord and Father.Your will be done in Jesus name Amen! Brother you need to pray and read your Bible (King James Version) gather strength and put all troubles in his hands have faith! Check out some other Watchmen sites to help deepen your faith and educate yourself for the coming Tribulations. God bless
I don’t think anyone, you included , can say that we are or aren’t going to go from “where we are now to some type of a post-apocalyptic “Mad Max” society almost overnight.”
There is a scenario in the Bible wherein this can be argued. If you don’t accept the Bible, well ok. But it does have a lot to say about this. In fact it has more to say about the prelude to the Messianic Kingdom than on anything.
In my opinion the best thing you could do to prepare would be to become a spirit-born believer in Jesus Christ.
AMEN…….
Christians says Amen at the end of a prayer ignorant of the fact that it is actually Amen-RA. Tribute to an earlier Christ-copy of the sun-god RA. Who, of course, had the same life story as Jesus and the other 14 ‘Christs.’
That is completely and totally false.
The following is from Wikipedia….
“Amen, meaning “so be it”, is said to be of Hebrew origin, however the roots of the word can be traced to most Semitic Languages. The word was imported into the Greek of the early Church from Judaism.”
In ancient paleo-Hebrew, Amen was made up of three letters – an Alef a Mem and a Noon
It means “so be it”
The Egyptian deity that you are referring to “Amun-Ra” has nothing to do with this ancient paleo-Hebrew word.
I would encourage you to do your own research instead of copying and pasting stuff you find on the Internet.
Michael
I would encourage you to do your own research instead of copying and pasting stuff you find on the Internet.
The following is from Wikipedia….
Genius.
….and where, pray tell, are the followers of the “other 14 ‘christs’”, as you and other storytellers take delight in citing?
They don’t exist.
Bingo!
All the sky-god religions, since the beginnings of civilization, are the biggest con job in the history of humanity.
I have done all of the items on the lists and more. From were I stand the community building is important. I have bo real back up plan as I live where most would travel to for their back up plan. I keep improving my infrastructure on our ranch each year with improving the soil and storing more water from springs. I am troubled the most with the loss of freedom over time in our country. This new law NDAA is one more nail in our counrties coffin. Is it too far out to think that this new law could be used to enforce all of these silly rules by the EPA, USDA and other government departments. Remember we are dealing with control freaks.
Michael,
I agree with your “travel light” suggestion. Unless we end up with a Hobbesian “war of all against all”, the ability to react quickly and travel light will reward those that are prepared.
Not having a mortgage allows a person to relocate to where the work happens to be. We saw several “great migrations” in the 20th Century and there is no reason why it couldn’t happen again. Those chained down by debt will have to stay where they are.
Individuals, too, should think about multiple levels of transportation. I have a pickup truck, an 80cc “scooter”, a hybrid mountain bike and good hiking shoes. If fuel becomes cost prohibitive then I can ditch my paid off truck and use my scooter as it gets 100mpg and is fine for getting around town. Should that fail then I can use my bicycle or my feet.
Another thing I would suggest would be Energy Independence. A wind generator or solar generator is a must. I realize that it is just too expensive to run a home off of solar alone. But, a panel or two and a couple car batteries is enough to provide someone with the ability to have some LED lighting, recharge phones and other small electronics and keep a radio running. I built something similar for under $500 and the great part of it is that it can be expanded as my finances allow. Finally, the ability to recharge other peoples electronics is something that I’ll be able to use as barter should everyone lose electricity.
Thanks for the article.
Just a couple of thoughts for everyone to think about. This really could happen over night or within week or two.
1) If europe banks close for holidays…you can bet that america will be right behind. Heck, Illinois is already bouncing lottery checks. There is very very little money in the system.
2) I think the story under estimates how barbaric people really are. If they dont have it and you do, they will take from you. Remember that a person who misses 9 meals, their brain goes into survival mode.
Just my thoughts…but please dont under estimate the urgency to prepare now….
I have 3 brothers and their families that havent done doodley-squat and dont think
anything is coming…I tried to warn them…
nope…no good..
take care and God Bless Everyone
A “bank holiday” is a very real possibility.
I keep hearing this. We have precedent for it.
Living way up north, we got all that…
One note, gazoline is already way expensive here, dont forget to treat it for storage along with the fuel in the tanks…a nasty surprise I got is finding the fuel gelled in the carburetor of my generator.
Also, stored food mean dry food, such as freeze dried stuff or dried pasta…anything else will spoil over time.
Water does NOT keep, you have to find a source of potable water.
Also people even here have a short memory…after the Viet Nam war, hippies got Nixon, Carter and their likes in…traveling between Canada and the USA, it was appalling to witness the precipitous drop in standard of living in the US. Canada was dragged down just like Zeropa is dragging Switzerland down with them(Swiss have to inflate the Franc just to stay in business)
Did anyone ever go on a ski tip in the Swiss Alps? Well, they have the best skiing above ground in Europe. Also, they have the best safe shelters underground.
People in US have just storm shelters. Living 20 miles from NYC, I build an underground bomb shelter.
Here is a website to look at fo info articles:
http://www.undergroundbombshelter.com
Us Eagles scouts always said BE PREPARED!!!
This is an article about help ! not about right or left wing ideology. please all release the hate we are all here together infact my suggestion is to organize comunity. like ive herd many say it wont matter how ready you are if you dont have comunity.
I recommend Mylar bag and oxygen absorbers. You can store rice, and certain beans, and other foods for infinity. You-Tube has plenty of info on this. ALSO….VERY IMPORTANT…get your self 1964 and older dimes, quarters, and halves…they are 90% silver, and that will be money…let me say that again…that will be money. Also 1981 and older pennies, and ALL nickels, as these two are copper…they are also money. They are, and will be money even if the US dollar finally dies years from now.
(Everybody, sing along!!)
“Oh say, does that star spangled banner yet wave
O’er the land of the freeeeeee
And the hoooooooome… of theeeeee… braveeeeee”
Well, it used to. It USED to.
Michael, I’ve kept a small supply of candles; which I HAVE used on ( now rare ) occassions when electricity has been temporarily lost; i.e. when a nearby electricity substation took a direct hit by lightning. However, if an ” EMP ” takes-out all or most of the ” electrical grid “, we’ll all need to put our matches to use: lighting candles!
Michael, long time follower. Have posted a few times here and there…
I hope you’re right, but think you’re wrong.
A bank run only starts with a small percentage of the customers.
If there is a bank holiday or the Chinese break from the Dollar and start dumping their US Reserves. That’s it.
When people cannot get food because the ATM’s are down. There will be panic. Search youtube for (1977, New York, power outage, looting). The power went out for 24 hours and the entitlement crowd looted and rioted and burned their areas. Thousands were arrested, 650ish fires in one night.
Now imagine if people cannot get food NATIONWIDE. If only ONE food riot starts, people will use cell phones to pass on the word that grocery stores are being looted. Panic will spread nationwide. At the same time the trucks will be stranded as they cannot refuel. Imagine across America if the Wallmarts and Alberstons are emptied and there’s no refilling going on.
I think you underestimate what fear and hunger will induce people to do. It only takes a few thousand panicky people to cause a torrent.
And it doesn’t help that many are already out of work and/or desperate.
You are a rational educated man, Michael. Many are uneducated and irrational or on mood altering drugs. They will take the lead in the collapse.
Agree with all your prepping ideas.
David:
I hope people don’t feel like I am minimizing what is coming.
I do believe that the next few years will be incredibly challenging.
But what is coming after that will be even worse.
Michael
Like that kids game where you knock out the blocks of plastic ice. Eventually you have so many holes, the bottom falls out.
I don’t think we’re are going to continue in a gradual decline, like you suggest.
Something will be the last straw that breaks the camels back. And it may be this year.
Best regards.
Can you elaborate on what you mean by “what is coming after that will be even worse”?
Josh:
Eventually I will elaborate more on that.
Michael
The nephelim are returning. Beware!
There is a problem with storing food — shelf life. More important is the ability to raise your own, especially from perennials. Learn to save seed from non-hybrid varieties. It is important to know which food plants will grow in your area.
Regular batteries are limited, because they have brief shelf-lives. Rechargeable batteries are probably preferable, although they too have shelf lives. There are so many more things to consider than anyone can include in an article, or even a book.
One thing is important. You cannot afford to look as though you are living well. There will always be someone who is jealous of anyone who seems to be more than just barely surviving. And there will not be any police you can call to protect you.
Another thing people do not mention is that when the government subsidies are gone, the cities will rapidly lose population, because just surviving there will bee impossible. On the other hand, few people know how to provide for themselves, because they are too accustomed to having so much given to them. Present-day Detroit is only the beginning.
Interestingly enough, present-day Detroit is starting to see the growth of a local food growing and harvesting sector of its economy, using some of the empty non-productive land in the city center.
Freeze dried…30 years. Is that not long enough?
Normal food bought at the grocery store is good for a year or so, but for SHTF prepare by getting freeze dried and dehydrated foods. We prefer freeze dried. The taste, texture and nutritional value are much better than when you dehydrate your food. Freeze dried items can be stored on a a shelf for 25 years and you don’t have to rotate so much. We get ours at a discount from http://www.shelfreliancesanantonio.com. They ship anywhere in the US. I have ordered several times. Delivery is fast and the food really does taste great.
Be sure to have some some flint to make arrowheads.
Hi!, All Ye Survivoralists:
What do you have to suggest to an old codger like me @ 70 years young who is dissabled having both artificial arteries in both legs; diabedic, all 10 toes numb; 35% kidney function; single alone; medication dependant; abandoned by family with no friends; deeply depressed etc.? Wouldn’t it be a lot better if the Lord could/would just take me Home immediately and stop being a burden?
My vascular surgeon had my mon view the dondtion of my main leg arteries which were all broke up like a broken, seperated garden hose. He response: “I’m not coming to any pity parties and your only problem is a little arthritis?” See what I mean? Apocolypse, huh, I’ve been in one for years but now there’s another one coming? If the Lord could just take me Home like in what some of you call a “rapture” that would be fine with me but it looks like my condition will just continue to drag on one dreadful year after another.
RUSS, CALIFORNIA
Just wait for the Lord to take you home in His own due time. Let Him call the shots, not you.
Hi Russ,
No, it’s not “survivoralists”
Survivalists.
Don’t worry, in all societal collapse analysis conclusions, the sick, elderly, drug-dependant, nursing home types always represent the first wave of deaths, in a mass die-off.
Have a nice day.
If you can read and think, you might become an information expert. Knowledge is power. And speaking of power, there might not be any. So remembering or having books will be important.
Being able to know how to make a bio-sand filter. Identifying helpful plants. Not saying be a doctor, but if you can diagnose problems and maybe know natural herbal remedies…Knowledge of plants and gardening. Animal husbandry, etc.
You might also work on your interpersonal skills. Doesn’t sound like you’re winning over anyone with conversation or your sparkling personality. Not saying suck up. But something is missing.
Free rides are far and in between. Trade your knowledge for being included in some survival community.
Hang in there, Russ. Yes, it would be better if the Rapture occurs before the collapse but I’m convinced that the collapse will come first. The collapse will lead to the one-world government prophesied in Revelation. I’m convinced that the attack on Israel prophesied in Ezekiel will happen this year and I’m convinced that the Rapture will happen this year too. If you’re a Christian there’s a good chance you’ll be in heaven a year from now.
Barncat- the rapture happens AFTER tribulation.
Russ-hint hint-survivalist preparation is useless if you’re being rounded up into a FEMA camp.
No, Jesus has to come back TWICE. He comes first as a thief when no one expects him. He comes again when every eye sees him even those who pierced him. At the midpoint of the tribulation the anti-christ desecrates the temple. From that point it’s 1260 days until Christ’s return. Jesus’ coming at the end of the 1260 days will surprise no one but his first return when comes as a thief will surprise everyone.
Barncat-Jesus comes back ONCE, not twice.
2Thesselonians Chapter two states-
1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2That ye be not soon SHAKEN IN MIND, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3Let no man deceive you by any means: FOR THAT DAY SHALL NOT COME, except there come a falling away first, and that MAN OF SIN BE REVEALED, the son of perdition;
Why was the church shaken if the rapture is before the tribulation. It is because they knew they would go through tribulation.
but will Jusus save the Nephelim?
Michael,
Perhaps it would be wise to take a look at the ever shrinking revenue stream our country and even the world is facing.
Towns, cities, counties and States are laying off and for going much needed infrastructure repairs and replacements. Just like the feds are doing. The feds can and do print money for themselves. No one else can.
More lay offs, less revenue. More demands on social services already over loaded. More crime to steal wealth and food to exist. More demand on LE and yet less revenue. More laid off and we chase our tail yet more.
I have read surveys asking if you would never get caught would you do the following. The choices were all illegal from rape, to theft, to murder, cheating, to breaking and entering and so forth. The replies gotten back were in the 80% yes they would range.
Only the fear of the law holds most of our so called civilized society together and an economic crisis would probably shatter the LE funding and all the prisoners needing to e housed and fed.
Society collapse and inner city crime would spill over. I am afraid one will need much more than a camp stove and some travel supplies. One should set levels as per a crisis event. Your list is the bare minimum out of work period of time for a low level law and order crisis with the grid up and running 24/7. No harm but that is just a beginning not an end. Your readers can find much deeper lists my searching for survival prepping and that does not mean sharpened sticks either.
I totally agree with you.
I think that things are going to become absolutely nightmarish in this country.
My point is that things are going to get bad in the short-term, but it will take a while before society totally collapses.
But we will get there.
Michael
SOUNDS LIKE 2008!!!And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death, and his deadly wound was healed: and al the world wondered after the beast.
SOUNDS LIKE IT FALLS IN ONE HOUR NOT WAVES MICHEAL????? An angel (most likely God the Father or God the Son because the earth was illuminated by his splendor, but, to John looked like an angel) announces the fall of a future city or nation. This city nation is the great arrogant, oh arrogant one-Jeremiah 50:31, oh destroying mountain-Jeremiah 51:25, United States of America. America has become a home for demons and a haunt for every evil. http://www.xanga.com/RobertLeeRE/549818267/item.html God will judge her by fire in one day one hour, Revelation 18:1-24 to increase the harvest of the earth, Jeremiah 51:33. For God’s people are told to come out of her and run for their lives, run from the fierce anger of the Lord, Jeremiah 51:45.
America’s Hollywood is responsible for the spread of world pornography, bestiality, satanism, wiccanism, hinduism, humanism, macro-evolutionism , buddhism, pinko communism, liberalism, environmentalism, peta-ism, Islamism, pedophilism, homosexualism, lesbianism, country exploitism, fanatical feminism, materialism and the decline and coming bondage of all Christianity. America’s internet has filled the earth with her abominable images. Hollywood, America is also responsible for birthing all the other movie industry of the earth including but not limited to India’s Bollywood, Nigeria’s Nollywood, Pakistan’s Lollywood , United Kingdom films, Chinese Cinema, French Cinema, European Union films, many of which their history can go back as far as America. But the financial success of Hollywood and film technical expertise has caused the countries of the earth to embrace their own film industry, both good and bad.
The kings of the earth have committed adultery with America’s congress and presidency, Revelation 18:9. All nations have conspired to become wealthy like her, arrogant like her, because she is the mother of prostitutes, Revelation 17:5, (Mama-Sia), that has trained all the nations of the earth, (kings, merchants & nations), how to become wealthy & filthy like her, a prostitute, (cares for nothing but money), and grow rich by selling to her her excessive luxuries, Revelation 18:11-15, she gains through her excessive adulteries with the gods of gold, silver, stone, marble, and wood. http://www.xanga.com/RobertLeeRE/564758055/summary-of-american-prophecies.html
For the gold cup this kingdom that falls and rises taking on many names but never dying until the very time of the end when God decreeds and numbers her days, Daniel 5:26, her days being seventy years, Jeremiah 25:12, the gold cup she causes the kings and nations of the earth to drink is the worship of her false gods that do not breath, gods of gold, silver, bronze, iron, marble, clay and wood, Daniel 2:45,5:4, the gods of materialism and decadence, For the Lord makes the end known from the beginning, Isaiah 46:10. She is the last to drink of her cup, the cup of God’s wrath, she is the nation no one knows who is her, the one with the cryptogram name, also a great mystery, Mystery, Babylon the Great, Mother of Prostitutes, Abominations of the Earth, America, the last to fall, also the last to drink of God’s cup of wrath, Jeremiah 25:26.
Babylon the Great, America will fall and be defeated from a man that comes from the east, Persia (Iran), like a bird of prey, Isaiah 46:11. Perhaps you will succeed in defeating terror, or, perhaps you will cause terror Babylon the Great, America, Isaiah 47:12 for you will burn like stubble, Isaiah 47:14, when God himself mixes a double portion of judgment for your own head of what you have done to other nations, Revelation 18:6-10, in one day one hour, Revelation 18:19. For Babylon is a kingdom since the very beginning ruled by an invisible Satan, Isaiah 14:3-15 and a kingdom that is always there until the very end, Daniel 2:37-38, 4:10-14, 4:22.
God is commanding all his followers in America to cut their business and all societal and governmental ties to her schools, religion and public, institutions, churches and church buildings. This also represents the coming soon to be rapture in about the year 2010-2011. Two meanings, Christ’s word a double edged sword. Babylon represents materialism to the extreme. The churches in America are to quit building them, sell the ones already built and start going underground, small groups in homes, to prepare for the coming tribulation. http://www.xanga.com/RobertLeeRE/564758055/summary-of-american-prophecies.html The gods of America also known as Babylon the Great, must be rejected, this materialism must be rejected. God’s preacher’s must quit treating the gospel like it is a good paying part time job. God’s people need to quit rejecting God’s witnesses and messengers.
Her sins are many and she is always the first one to sin this way or that way, then she teaches her trainee prostitute nations how to worship the gods of materialism and become just like her. America has a long lists of firsts in the world, first to have doctors that change men into menwomen and women into menwomen, first nuclear bomb drop, first to spread all the ideas of the gods of materialism.
America had the chance to influence the world and spread God’s gospel but she blew it, she failed mankind just as Christianity has, and her mother that birthed her, England will be ashamed of her when she falls, Jeremiah 50:12. The world now when looking at America can only see her gods of gold, silver, bronze, iron, clay, stone, wood and materialism, Daniel 2:45,5:4, 5:23, false gods of justice, freedom, technology, law, city planning and the spread of all things that come from materialism.
Lady Liberty stands as a queen and boasts in her heart, “I hold God’s law in one hand and a torch in another to light the path to heaven, she is neither. She is no more than the whorehouse mother who teaches the nations of the world to follow her ways. Leave Babylon and flee to your homelands, return back to the countries you came from. Especially you Hollywood Jews, flee to the place God prepared for you in the desert that became green, an envy of all those around you. You say you have wealth but it is nothing and will turn to dust. Flee to the ends of the earth, flee Babylon the Great, America, Isaiah 48:20.
Her plagues and judgments will be poured out upon her inhabitants in one day all at once. Death, famine and fire will overtake her in one day all at once. Her prostitute trainees, (nation leaders), will be shocked and amazed watching on the news these judgments overtaking America. At the destruction of America the nations who became rich by selling luxurious items to her weep and cry and were terrorfied. This terror will be either fire and brimstone from God, or suitcase nukes carried by terrorists from the north, (Canada or Alaska via a Russian/Iranian/Islamic alliance or both. But the scripture is clear, America’s days are numbered and America will fall in one hour, defeated by the war on terror.
All the countries with ships that became wealthy by selling luxurious goods to america will stand far off and weep and mourn because they can no longer sell to America. http://www.xanga.com/RobertLeeRE/564758055/summary-of-american-prophecies.html All these items are sold to America for she is the wealthiest country on earth and buys all these cargoes. These items all represent excessive luxuries only the wealthy buy.
Her wealth and ability to buy things will disappear when she falls in one day, one hour, Revelation 18:1-24. Then the merchants will never again do business with America. All of America’s splendor and riches will disappear because of God’s judgment, plagues, and it will all occur all at once, in one day, one hour, Revelation 18:1-24. The merchants the world over will cry and weep at her destruction because they cannot sell goods to her anymore. They cry and weep for they know what is coming next, them. They also cry and weep because of their own stubborn unwillingness to help America in the war on terror, Isaiah 48:12.
America’s prostitute trainees cry because first America falls and then the world falls to Islamo/Russian fascism. America and Israel will be attacked by the same Islamo/Russian alliance, at the same time. When America falls the nation of Israel will turn and realize what they did to Jesus Christ, God’s Son.
In one hour America’s doom will come, Revelation 9:18,17:16, 17:18, 18:8, 18:19. The warning to America is 9/11. Another warning is this blog. http://www.xanga.com/RobertLeeRE/564758055/summary-of-american-prophecies.html The warning is the rejection of God’s prophets that will come from outside the church, preaching the word of God. For the church government has rejected the prophets just like the pharisees did. For the preachers have become lazy in their ways only wishing to preach for large amounts of money and they no longer read God’s word. They are unwilling to read scripture, to write original theology and original sermons revealed by Holy Spirit. But God’s people will hear God’s voice like of one sqeeky trumpet blsted over and over in the wilderness. For all people must pass through the hot furnaces of Babylon, they must pass through each and every one of them.
Five virgins of the church without jars of oil,will miss the rapture, for they will have impurities in their souls. It is this reason they are called to go through tribulation, to be left behind as a blessing to Israel. God will remove by the fire of tribulation like refining gold and silver in a furnace to remove the impurities. The five virgins that will not have oil in their jars for their lamps to keep them lit are predestined to pass through the great tribulation. To avoid this Christ admonished us to keep watch praying always God counts us worthy to escape these horrible things soon coming.
God has been sending his prophets although the church refuses to listen for they come from her but are not part of her. For the Gentile’s sins are the same as the Jew’s so one may not brag or think of himself greater than the other for God shows the beginning at the end and the end at the beginning, Isaiah 46:10.
Then a mighty angel picked up a boulder the size of a large millstone and threw it into the sea. This is the violence of the destruction of America. The saints, apostles and prophets rejoice at the destruction of America for never again will the cities be built under the plan of Nimrod the Great warrior king where most of the important part is wealth building and the following of the gods of materialism even at the great cost of eternal damnation.
This is image complements of NASA.
For she will never rise again and God’s people will never build a city, like her, again and, America will always be remembered as the [city of man] that man built [without God's help] that God warned us would fall in one hour, one day just before God’s great city New Jerusalem came out of heaven, a city built by Jesus Christ. This is the same city God built without man’s help for God needs no man to design the perfect dwelling place for heavenly beings and the Christ followers. This is the same city that measures 1400 miles wide by 1400 miles long at a height of 1400 miles, shaped like a mountain, Revelation 21:16. Then the Christ followers will dwell with the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and Paul forever and ever.
Scriptural Evidence & Other Links
The evidence of Babylon the Great being the Romanish Mother of Prostitutes just isn’t there. If it is there it is scant at best. It is exactly this type of interdenominational slander and bickering that separates God’s followers into denominational groups that are weakened and divided, allowing the real Antichrist nations, Islam, to overtake us while we are sleeping. Revelations 17:4, Three words are all typically used for your outdated, but extremely common, interpretation that a Romanish church is the great Mother of Prostitutes. Revelation 17:9, This line of interpretation typically states that since this great Mother of Prostitutes sits on the seven hills–this is Rome–this is the church that runs Rome. The rest of the interpretation of Revelation 17:9 says the seven hills are seven kings. Now it is not a stretch to assume this is a prophesied time of the Time of the End also spoken by Daniel 12:13 in which the angel tells Daniel to go his way for the meaning and interpretation of the visions of the Time of the End are sealed till that time is upon mankind. Your interpretation can be traced historically all the way back to the time of Jerome and parts thereof, to right after the Apostle John, yet God said through his angel the interpretation was sealed until the end. Why did God seal the interpretation? It was sealed so the interpretation itself would not change history, people would not know who the great Mother of Prostitutes was until the end was upon them. The end is now upon us and the great Mother of Prostitutes is revealed here today. Revelation 17:9 says the seven hills are seven kings, with ten horns, but also a beast this great Mother of Prostitutes steers and rides covered with blasphemous names, in a great desert of the earth, the Antichrist Islamic nations, see this short sermon with many sermon links http://www.xanga.com/RobertLeeRE/550588261/item.html. For the Antichrist nations are not coming from the European Union, United Nations, but the Islamic Nations in the middle east where the kings are, where blasphemies against God and his Son Jesus Christ are a way of life, http://www.xanga.com/RobertLeeRE/549813182/item.html But her fall while in the great desert will come in one day and one hour as plagues of fire, smoke, sulfur, foreigners, see this sermon http://www.xanga.com/RobertLeeRE/549815180/item.html. Before you follow what you heard taught somewhere I would just encourage you to consider the scriptural evidence. The great Mother of Prostitutes Babylon the Great is America, and scripture that supports this is substantial. Revelation 17:1, 17:15, 17:4 She will be the richest consumer nation of the earth surrounded by the more bodies of water then any nation on earth, see my sermon pondering this very question, http://www.xanga.com/RobertLeeRE/564206250/item.html, and this short sermon, http://www.xanga.com/RobertLeeRE/664510015/item.html. When reading the description of her during her fall it describes America exactly, Revelation 18:1-24, Jeremiah chapters 50 &51. Babylon is a kingdom ruled by an invisible king Satan, Isaiah 14:12-13, that attempts to cover the earth with her city based unbridled materialism and wealth, Isaiah 14:21. To understand all prophecy you must understand what is in the center of prophecy, invisible king Satan, Babel=>Babylon=>to the fall of Babylon the Great America, see this sermon http://www.xanga.com/RobertLeeRE/549812797/item.html . For the first city since the flood of this Mother of Prostitutes was seen long before Rome existed, Genesis 11:1-8, but yet a refuge that God places mankind and the birds and beasts wherever they are so they may be fed, Daniel 2:38, so a kingdom with an invisible king Satan that rules until the time of the end, Isaiah 14:12-13. Even Abraham Lincoln stated to the preacher he was concerned that preachers in America were straying off the path, concerned if God was with America, http://www.xanga.com/RobertLeeRE/550576301/item.html Any interpretation before the time of the end is cursed to be wrong, Daniel 12:13. The spread of the materialism is throughout the earth into all kingdoms causing one kingdom to want to enslave and exploit other kingdoms for profit and gain, so this great Mother of Prostitutes, Babylon the Great, final precipitation in America, is responsible for all wars and killings on the earth including the blood of the prophets and Saints of the earth, Revelation 18:24, that Satan started in the beginning leading to worldwide debauchery so God brought the solution of the flood, also limiting Satan’s dominion, Genesis 6:1-3, but Satan started again by building his first city, Genesis 11:1-8, for Satan rules this kingdom of Babylon the Great America as an invisible king, Isaiah 14:12-14, with the goal of covering the earth with his cities, Isaiah 14:21. These interpretations are tried and true so read and consider them carefully.
If you were blessed by this sermon on prophecy, like Paul, I ask of no money from you, like the many false prophets of today wearing big gold jewelry and expensive showy clothes, showy cars and houses, worshipping their idols of Babylon. I ask of no money, even though, if asking for money I would be right not wrong, and everyone feeding at this trough would be obligated to support the trough builder’s servant. I only ask one thing. tell others of this website providing links, waking them up to the times in which we live.
Smash-America doesnt sit on seven hills. Sounds like Rome to me!
Oh Please stop your madness!!!
You’ve got some great suggestions here for prepping. I would like to add these to the list (especially related to “storable food”) – get knowledge and ability to do “critter control” or you’re likely to have problems. Which specifics vary from one place to another. By this I mean to protect and know how to get rid of:
At home – mice, rats, and yup, weevils (I had to eat weevily wheat before, it was NOT fun!)
In the garden – deer, gophers, moles, rabbits, birds, raccoons
If you have chickens or livestock – (some seriously bigger and scarier) wild dogs, wild pigs, coyotes, wolves, mountain lions, bears, raptors (preditor birds such as hawks, eagles, owls, etc).
I recently made the mistake of getting careless with my indoor food storage and I have a mouse problem now, I’ve been fighting them for over a month (traps, other kinds of traps, now poison)
The evidence that America is Babylon the Great is quite overwhelming, Chapter 18 Revelation, Jeremiah chapters 50 & 51, Isaiah chapters 13 & 14, Daniel 2:29-43, Zechariah 5:5-11, and these are just some quick ones I put together. Revelation 17:1 –She will be the nation with the most bodies of water that surround her and lakes and rivers within her lands. Zechariah 5:5-11–This woman is wickedness, also Babylon the Great, also America, and the wickedness she represents is nuclear proliferment which is why she was trying to get out and why the cover is lead. Revelation 18:23–The voice of the bridegroom, Jesus Christ, & bride, church will never be heard in her again when she falls. Revelation 18:9-20–Babylon the great will be the richest nation on earth. Revelation 18:12-13–This nation will be the richest consumers of the earth making all other nations wealthy purchasing their cargo of luxerious items. Revelation 17:5-She’ll teach the nations of the earth how to become wealthy like her. Revelation 17:5-She’ll spread abominationable pornographic images throughout the world. Revelation 17:15–She’ll be the biggest melting pot on earth drawing all nations to her teaching them to all speak one language because to become like her. Revelation 18:22-she’ll produce the best musicians and schools on earth and all will desire to attend her schools. Revelation 18:17-She’ll have the most merchant Marines of any country on earth and the largest Navy. Jeremiah 51:2-God will judge her by sending a plague of “too many” foreigners to overwhelm her borders & oppress her. God will destroy her to increase the harvest of the earth, Jeremiah 51:33. The nation who birthed her will be ashamed because she squandered an opportunity to spred the gospel throughout the earth, Jeremiah 50:12. She’ll be not only the greatest city but the greatest country, Isaiah 13:5. A nation that lays a heavy yoke on the aged, Isaiah 47:6. A nation that confronts a major issue of it’s time to decide if “She will succeed,” or if, “She will cause Terror,” Isaiah 47:12. A nation whose towers will fall causing many to weep, Jeremiah 50:15. She’ll be a nation of False Prophets, Jeremiah 50:35 that will be overthrown like Sodom & Gomorrah, verse 40. She’ll be the most arrogant nation on earth, Jeremiah 50:31. She’ll be a nation of greedy people never satisfied like people in Hell, Habakkuk 2:5. A nation who’s end is revealed in the beginning Isaiah 46:10-see Genesis 11:1-9. Anation judged in one day, one hour by fire & nukes, Isaiah 47:14, Revelation 9:15-19, 17:16, 18:10, 18:19, by those that cause terror, 18:10, who’s leader is death that kills by sword, spreading famine and plagues, Revelation 6:8, that behead Christians and Jews, 20:4, that is the last nation to drink of the cup of God’s wrath, Jeremiah 25:26.
Have you read what the protestant theologians are teaching? Have you sinned and spread any anti- catholic propaganda that you are ashamed of? Have you repeated anything a false prophet said that you are ashamed of? Have you sinned against a friend or relative by repeating some hate propaganda that you heard or read by some protestant teacher or theologian that you now realize was not what the bible says? Was it hateful? Have you caused possibly some people to never turn to God because of the hate you were repeating against the pope or catholics? Tell me about it. I would like to hear your story!
Smash!
Do you know what you are saying? We evangelicals love the Catholics – it is they who are scaring people away from Christ, though! Why does the Pope believe in Replacement Theology? Israel is the “promised land” because God chose it! And he told Abraham that all nations that bless Israel will be blessed! How can the church replace Israel?
And what about “purgatory”? That is an out and out rejection of the cleansing of the blood of Christ – our saviour who died so that all who believe in him will have everlasting life! Please read the Bible and don’t depend on Priests to explain it to you! And don’t trust the scholars either! Study study study and walk closely with Christ!
And by the way, Babylon is a general concept relating to the domination of Satan on the earth, not any one country! Where do you get these ideas? The US is probably no worse than Israel was and of course, Israel was scolded by God many times! But we, the USA stay true to the covenant- bless Israel and accept Christ as our one and only ticket to salvation! Thanks for reading this!
Short term, long term collapse? Either way, you will need a GUN!, actually two. One rifle, and a handgun. All other preps are worthless, except prayer, if you cannot defend them. Just keeping it simple.
I have a tactical 12ga pump and a 9mm with 3 15 round mags. I have a load of #4 buck and slugs for the shotgun and hydrashoks for the pistol.
Those won’t keep me from being killed, but I will certainly take a bunch of the opposition with me.
i understand it all but i dont think im a catholic just a humble christian
SAVING THE BEST WINE FOR LAST!!!!!
Michael,
I am glad to see that you are a Christian. Charlie McGrath of the Wide Awake News has a chatroom and he hates it when the Christians show up. He has stated that he does not like like it when Christians post to his videos, he does not want or like to look at the Christian perspective and has gone so far as to tell people to save those remarks for “religious” chat rooms. Such a shame that he does not know how religion is playing the part in the ME. He thinks that he can figure it all out without God. Hope you can talk to him!
People can believe what ever they want. The objection is when a supposed non-religious blog that is supposed to be about the ECONOMY is swamped with religious comments that don’t belong her. Even the christian owner of the blog should be able to see that; it isn’t fair to the non-deluded folks.
The christian religion is a parody on the worship of the Sun, in which they put a man whom they call Christ, in the place of the Sun (16 times, no less), and pay him the same adoration which was originally paid to the Sun. – Thomas Payne
….safe to say that Christians here follow this practical creed:
Maintain your faith like it all depends on
Him, and work like it all depends on
You(He gave you abilities for a reason).
So get over it, Tapper. You might need to rely on a Christian for some help some day.
Of course, even HUMBLE PIE might taste good in times to come.
Right On!
What is happening now with the world economy is Bible prophecy being fulfilled. Christianity has EVERYTHING to do with the present economic condition. Jesus spoke more about money than any other topic. I think the reason was because he knew that money was strong competition.
Like Thomas Paine, what you said shows your total ignorance. Read the Bible, and you will realize that you WERE ignorant.
Or have you read it already and still hold to your beliefs? That should be extremely difficult to do because logic has to be thrown out the window.
Denial of what is obviously True happens every day because pride stands in the way.
Doing things your way will not work out very well for ya here pretty soon – I suggest you get busy reading – cover to cover.
I’m guessing Thomas Payne isn’t in Heaven right now after slamming Christ in such an arrogant way. Keep in mind, when you mock Christians you are mocking God…and God will not be mocked!
Oh Gary2, you silly little progressive. You crack me up. I guess, when I’m prepared for the collapse and you’re not, my family will still have food and you can eat Hope and Change. Everything on that list could be used in an emergency preparedness kit for a natural disaster. Therefore, I am not out anything, but I’m prepared. Google this: Italy economic martial law. You think it can’t happen here? You’re a fool.
HB…
For any of you romanticize over building a community of support during a crisis event extended for endless months into years with no grid…. you best read the novel that is not filled with bravado and pipe dreams. I have read my share of disaster novels and they all play out like a Louis L’Amour western novel where the good guys always triumph and the bad guys wear…black.
First up… go poll all your worthless neighbors and then see who has done nothing to support themselves for that period of time…remember they are in your community. You will find them to number around 98% of the community. So do the math 2% have done something teaming up with 98% who have nothing. If that works for you…good luck on that dream. No matter what some posters say here God can not help stupid
. Now don’t get all upset as I am a born again Christian but I am using my head here… the one God gave me and I sure hope you.
Nope…. in real life the economic stats (right on this site) which reveal so so few can go a few days let alone a pay check without falling behind are not the type of folks you better be counting on.
Normal everyday communities you and I know of are just doomed, period. Let us not kid ourselves. Even where I reside out in the country where homes have 50-100 acres only one here and there can get buy for a few days if the grid shuts down. Sadly we have become a nation of Pillsbury Doughboys and it shows.
You best find the hardened preppers now before hand and do what it takes to team up with them.
Good luck on that because they will not expect anything less from you which they have not done first. Survival a crisis for a good amount of time is not about hand holding and good vibrations
98% who have nothing.—will simply overwhelm the 2% and take what they have.
Oh, so its no longer 99% versus 1%, its now 98% versus 2%?
Please come to my house when TSHTF, along with your rabble, and try to take what we have. You will become hog feed. Hogs eat everything, including the bones.
I am in no way trying to be confrontational when I said that I was simply looking at the numbers which are not on the preppers side. I think prepping is a good idea and I have nothing against guns.
The 98% came from Ranchers prior post and was not my number.
It seems like simply math. I admit I may b e wrong on this so that is why I posted.
The 2% have 100 million guns, so that might be a chore for the deluded 98%. Just saying. They can sure try though.
Gotcha, so you’re one of those angry OWS losers who wants to take from others cause you couldn’t cut it in life?
Now I understand. Yeah vote for Obama then, you are what he’s looking for.
The 98% are going to be shooting amongst themselves for the most part before the preppers are even targeted.
It will be brutal no doubt. But the preppers are preparing for raiders.
Raiding will also be a fairly high risk venture with much attrition anyway.
You think so do you,don’t think as the british did with numbers on their side,because when the ones in front fall first the others will turn tail and run,are you going to be out front leading the way.
“We don’t need no stinken badges.
We have meeny guns,
we are the policia of all Mexico”
Seriously…come and get it
We will all be waiting on you Gary.
Gary… Exactly.
Some of you do not get the drift. About 2% of people here in the US actually have taken steps to store up the needed supplies to have a chance. But if they do not team up with others of like mind and prepps they will be over run.
maybe 1/2% of the 2% are within a good group in a good location. But I would not expect any of you to know this either. Just sayin…. the truth.
“Well, instead of relying on someone else to employ you indefinitely, you can start up a business in your spare time.”
Guillotines! Gerald Celente says they will be back in demand soon.
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“The Occupy movements are everywhere. It’s class warfare. Far too few have much too much, and way too many have much too little. So when the money stops flowing down to the man on the street, the blood starts flowing in the streets. Who should know it better than the French? If you want to get into a good entrepreneurial business, guillotines may be in fashion.”—Gerald Celente
I can always tell someone is not an experienced woodsman when they recommend an axe (for splitting wood or felling trees), but no saw for cutting it into pieces that will fit in a wood stove. Doing this with an axe is torture. Get a good two man saw.
Also, I no longer advise people to pay down debts, but convert as much as possible to unsecured debt. For example, if you pay monthly expenses with your credit card and use those funds to pay off your car, you will still have a car even if you cannot pay the credit card balance.
…don’t forget oil for the bucksaw(s). Dissolves pitch….
Don’t forget a sledge hammer (and extra handles) plus at least 3 wedges, and extra blades for your required limb saw.
Hosana,
What a marvelous attitude. Your letter was an inspiration. I’ve been preparing for the last three years and have also found it a fascinating, and enjoyable pastime. Of course, being an old guy, I remember the WWII rationing, Victory Gardens, and how everyone pitched in to aid our valiant soldiers by conserving every thing we could. It’s going to be hard on our kids as they’ve only known prosperity. God willing, we’all be better people as we grow spiritually, and morally through this.
My question is where do you suggest putting your
6 months to 1 year savings at this point? Local bank? A coffee can?
Thanks for your informative and and insightful articles.
Precious metals in small coins. Paper money will burn up in front of your eyes. All fiat currencies like the dollar have historically collapsed.
Some paper money is prudent to have (outside a bank which will lock its doors once the bank holidays begin).
At least some of it should be in silver coins of smaller denominations. If and when things get out of hand you wouldn’t want to make a purchase with a $2,000 one ounce gold coin. There is a strong possibility you might be short changed. The coin and gold dealers will probably be observed by “competitors” looking to intercept you before you get inside to make your transaction. Junk silver coin – pre 1963 U.S. dimes, quarters and half dollars – might be the safest and surest bet as safe and usable currency.
You could well find the 500.00 item is now 2,000. You don’t think things will get cheaper…do you?
Paper money will be useful during the coming deflationary event, then the coins will be useful during the hyperinflationary collapse. +1 on gardens and fruit and nut trees. Plant now, get nuts and fruit later, if the collapse happens or not.
Take free/low-cost medical and emergency preparedness classes offered by local fire dept./red cross/city emergency response dept. Wilderness First Aid is significant stuff on how to keep a broken person alive for days without evacuation.
I’d like to move to a farm next to Todd Grey and the NW Militia, but there are no urban high-tech jobs out there. I’m hunkering down in West Coast Urban Bosnia.
Well… hmmm.
A CD or savings account at the bank will earn you very little to no interest.
Personally, I’d suggest buying precious metals. Gold and silver are extremely popular. But there are other options, like copper (save your pre-1982 pennies, and all current nickels). Post-1965 dimes and quarters – don’t bother. Ever wonder why there aren’t any pre-1965 dimes and quarters in your pocket change? It’s not because they’re old currency….
I started collecting coins in 1977. As of now, I have a nice collection of pennies, and that’s about it.
In those days, no one would have thought silver and gold would be so valuable. Got several pre-1965 silver coins while working my newspaper route in 1980 (my very first job), and thought nothing of it.. I spent a couple of those quarters on a can of Coca-Cola. Hey, I was 16 years old then, and didn’t know any better.
Hindsight is always 20/20. If only I had known…
I wrote an “open letter” that others can link to if they wanted to go that route in talking to family and friends about preparedness. You can find it here – http://www.prepperwebsite.com/open-letter
Peace,
Todd
Unless you can touch it you don’t have it! Regards, James
Well heck handbaskits people… the best preparedness piece i ever read professed… strap-light…just what you need for the day— cause when the shtf… food,water,ammo,and worthless glitter(gold/silver)will be peddled in the street for a wish of good luck… bottom line— a nwo heart and a full clip of 40 in your xd will buy your ticket home…
I am not asking this to be confrontational.
As many state on this post only a tiny % of the population is prepared or are preppers. I get that. What I see happening is that they (preppers) will simply be overwhelmed by sheer numbers and all their prepping will be for nothing. There are more people than anyone has bullets. The numbers are way against preppers. If not other non preppers than the Gov. Look at WACO incident.
I am in no way denigrating prepping and actually think it makes sense. It is ALWAYS a good thing to be self sufficient.
Smart preppers group up with others in a more remote location which is set up to repel said leaches and low life’s trying to steal their grub. One must study this in order to know it.
Which is why most preppers don’t want anyone to know what and how they are doing it. If those in my area don’t know they won’t come looking. Just saying.
You need to think geographically. 98% of the people are concentrated and will cannibalize themselves first for the most part.
From there, you’ll have raiders spreading outwards to the countryside.
Rural areas are going to band together. Even though most haven’t prepped.
But realize this. The rural areas have the farms. If it hits hard and fast, the food is staying where it is. That’s a lot of food we grow(Last Crop)going to a small group of people.
I’m probably in a small camp of people who think 30ish percent of the people will survive. And most of those will be rural communities that come together and form defenses and harvest the food that would have rotted.
I suggest you move out of the large cities and into a small community. If you were born and raised in a large city, you will not know survival skills. People will be flooding out of the cities and into the smaller communities. Be prepared for that. People in small communities are most likely to come together to survive. Buy virgin seeds to plant gardens. Learn how to sanitize your water. Learn how to make soaps and candles. Learn how to sew your own clothing. If you have a gun, learn how to shoot it. Buy a hunting bow and arrows. The time will come when you won’t have access to ammunition for hunting. Learn how to use that bow and arrow. While you have time, read books on gardening and meat preparation. Learn self defense tactics. Store medicines and first aid supplies. During an EMP attack, you would need a vehicle dated 1986 or earlier. All new vehicles have too many electrical components and will be useless. Read up on what parts you would need to get that older vehicle into running order. Dry meats, fruits and veggies and learn how to store them to keeps pests out. Learn how to can your own veggies, fruits and meats. Buy waterproof bags for storage purposes. Learn about your local area and talk to people. Find the areas where you can find berries, mushrooms and wild onions, for example. Get yourself a good fishing pole and supplies. Learn about natural sources for medicinal purposes…plants and herbs. Remember…the local library. The resources there are invaluable.
My I suggest that if you want something for barter, then coffee is a good option:
* It’s a highly traded commodity.
* Many people are addicted to it.
* You can buy it for cash, no questions asked.
* In sealed package it can be stored for a long time.
* Everyone will recognize it.
* If it serves no other purpose you can make yourself a cuppa.
As for hiking shoes, a compass, a backpack, etc… look I understand as much as anyone else that we have economic problems; but I just can’t see how it will help me to head on up to the mountains and live in a ditch. I don’t know my way through the mountains, I don’t know anyone who lives there, nor do I have any sense of community that connects me. I’m better off where I am, with the people I know. Each to his/her own I guess. Don’t let me tell you how to live your life.
Here’s my more useful suggestions:
* Learn how to cook for yourself from simple ingredients.
* Learn the basic principles of economics, how trade works, why trade works, how to negotiate.
* Read up on medicine and first aid, because it’s a complete waste of time having a first aid kit if you don’t know what you are doing.
* Talk to your neighbors, if you are worried about something, then mention it to them and see how they react. We are not going to fix this by hiding out against the storm here and there. Only people working together can fix this.
Alcoholic beverages are even better than coffee.
Believe me, there will be a HUUUUGGEEEE black market for whiskey, vodka and brandy.
Also, learn how to make alcohol for when the supply runs out. Hard to make coffee but I agree it is good to have extra on hand for barter and use. A Chinese lady I know said they hung fish hooks from balconies and baited them with corn, bread, etc. to catch birds to eat. Fish hooks would be useful for barter as well. Small live animal traps are a good addition to your preparation supplies. But the #1 thing I suggest is to have a solar oven or the supplies to make one. This allows you to cook without smoke and smells attracting vandals. Also very useful for drying foods.
Not so sure I would want alcohol and tobacco addicts showing up at my house. And if you barter bullets…they will load the gun and come back for everything else that you own! Think it through people!
Booze is also a great trade commodity. Lasts pretty much forever. People in distress will want it.
Coffee is a good trade item as is alcohol; but don’t forget matches, candles, toilet paper, and basic first aid supplies. All of these will be handy trade items.
Don’t plan on surviving for long in the wilderness, unless you are a genuine mountain man. Military survival schools are not for long term survival, they are for getting away/making contact and getting rescued.
Coffee will be good until it’s gone. DT’s from a lifelong coffee habit hurt for up to a week. Coffee is a low-density form of wealth, compared to gold/silver/ammo.
Having good teeth when tshtf will be very good. Extraction is disaster “dentistry”, and it’s a little bit horrible without specialized grippers and anesthetic.
Cheers.
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.pdf documents like Army Field Survival Manual, here:
http://www.activistpost.com/2010/12/top-10-survival-downloads-you-should.html
Excellent information provided! I must take issue with the perception that a collapse will come in waves. One only must review the Argentinian collapse a few years ago to see how quickly it can happen. This is the fear that should drive all our preparations. It can happen much faster than we think and without adequate thought and preparation we can be left at the mercy of those who have none. Use this precious time to prepare for the inevitable!
Why would a prepper site in the US be stationed in Europe? Why are the times listed for posting 6 or more hours from the local time. IS THIS A FAKE SITE? ARE WE BEING MONITORED BY THE FEDS? You decide, cause I had more then one seemingly middle of the road posting blocked by this site. Just makes one wonder who is running this site. I posted this 12:30pm Eastern time. Now watch carefully when it states it actually made it to the site. If it gets APPROVED AT ALL?!
LOL
I only check the comments a couple times a day so there is always a delay before they get approved.
And this site is most definitely based in the good old USA.
Michael
Just look at my posting. It lists 6hrs later from EST. This is somewhere overseas not the US!!! This was posted 11pm EST!!!
If you do NOT know the names of Uritsky, Kaganovich, Yagoda, Sverdlov, Beria, Kamenev, or Tibor Samuels, you actually have very LITTLE chance of survival at all, even if you are the world’s richest and greatest prepper.
Unlikely. Plus only about 1 out of 50 American drones prep at all so prepping on ANY level puts you way ahead of the curve.
I hate guns, but admit that prepping without them is a wasted effort.
It always ‘bugs’ me when people talk about ‘bug-out bags’. I guess because ‘bugging out’ – unless you have a definite, secure, and prepared site, that will not be overrun or discovered and robbed before you can get to it – is a short-term plan. As much fun as it might be for folks to fantasize about ‘living off the land!’ most people are soft, used to having a thermostat to stay warm or cool, used to having electricity to run their freezer and refrigerator, used to having neighborhood stores chock-full of food. They have never tried to butcher a deer or hog in -32 degree weather, where the pelt and flesh stuck and froze to their hands. They cannot conceive of true hunger or true deprivation. They think that, after a while, things will return to “normal”, and they will have access to things that they need.
There are already a lot of “Joad” families, packing up everything and going to where they have been told that the earth is flowing with milk and honey – only to get there and find out there are no jobs, there is no place they can afford to stay, squatting on ‘open land’ until the owners come out and run them off. This is increasing daily. These people are not on any census, are not on any unemployment rolls. They are struggling along on whatever they can get… and their numbers are increasing. People still sitting in their nice warm houses, driving their nice warm cars, flitting between the bright lights of the restaurants and nightlife spots, their jobs, and their homes, have no conception of the potentially-vicious underbelly of US civilization that is getting ready to erupt – right outside their doors.
Already prepared a long time ago. What we’re doing now is learning how to make stuff and use it: agriculture, horticulture, herbology, phynology, metallurgy, blacksmithing, smelting, mining, assaying, woodwrighting, coopering, cobbling (one my favorites), rubber and plastic recycling, stone and cement masonry, electrical production, methane and methanol production, chemistry (organic and inorganic), etc, etc…
The point is: if man can create it, man can destroy it; if man can destroy it, man can rebuild or re-create it.
Education and preparation has been fun! Just finished my own invention of paper/fruit/clothes drying jig. Works incredible. We also just set up our first homemade windmill generator – and now am running this computer off the stored battery power (we also made the batteries!)
Em I think you are wrong about hurrying up and paying off credit card debt. That is called unsecured debt. Of coutse bankers and bsnks would love everyone to pay off credit card debt so they can issue them more debt.
But if during this so called waves of recession debt happen to hit you personally, and you lose your ability to oay back your credit card debt, you simpky file for bankruptcy.
I would be more worried about defaulting on your mortgafe, car or student loan, then credit card debt.
I think you better research that a little better mike!
The whole thing is economics and a system of money. What will you accept as money to be used to pay for goods and services? The currencies of the world have no intrinsic value and never will have. It’s only the faith of the people that give them credibility and it’s only the labor of the people that give them value.
If we take currency out of the picture, we are left with precious metals which are valuable because of rarity or usefulness in manufacturing. But labor and the creation of goods and services are where the value of a people is. Those that have will trade commodities for whatever they need. Those who have not will trade their talents, skills, labor to meet their needs. Alternative currencies, based on labor, which is true value, will emerge. It will again be impossible to exchange a debt for a debt.
Beware of those who say things like “I don’t have to prepare. I’ll just come over to your house.” Advise them not to come over without an invitation, and they don’t have one.
Those who come over better have something to bring to the table and carry their share of the load. They need to realize they are not going to be fed and sheltered for free, and given free living space. The ONLY exception I would make is family.
Yeah, I hear this a lot. It’s a good indication of who they really are. A lot of folks I know who claim they’re conservatives say this; while the leftist’s say they expect to die of starvation or cannibalism.
Check this out:
1 year of food storage = 1 year eating
1 year food storage + hybrid seeds = 1 1/2 – 2 years eating
1 year food storage + heirloom seeds = ~ 2 years eating
1 year food storage + heirloom seeds + several bags 16-16-16 fertilizer = ~ 3-4 years eating (depending on how much fertilizer survives that long)
1 year food storage + heirloom seeds + 1 type of small dairy livestock (like goats or sheep) = ~ 9-10 years eating
1 year food storage + heirloom seeds + 1 type of small dairy livestock (like goats or sheep) + 1 type secondary livestock (like rabbits, chickens, pigeons, etc) = ~ 9-10 years eating better
1 year food storage + heirloom seeds + 1 type of small dairy livestock (like goats or sheep) + 1 type secondary livestock (like rabbits, chickens, pigeons, etc) + a firm grasp of agriculture, chemistry, blacksmithing, woodworking, and other disciplines = ~ 30+ years eating better
Preparation is a lifestyle of production and savings; coupled with constant learning and experimentation. All of which gives you greater knowledge and firmer faith.
Interesting comment.
Michael
You don’t necessarily need tons of fertilzer
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Frank
I’d recommend most people get fit (if they arent already!) Its all fine having survival tools but if you can’t handle them or do anything for your self you’ll be in trouble. I have taught my daughter (and son) how to grow vegetables. It gets them out into the daylight and they get a buzz out of seeing their labours leading to something edible! Its all well and good having supplies -like seeds, but someone has to know how to use them!
Scout, everyone on this web site is like family, you.spend more time here then with blood. So you better have a large house ready for all of us cause we are comin over invited or not!:)
I only read some of the comments cause of limited time and I realize that this is off topic, also I am not the bible thumper type. I don’t go to church because they irritate me simply because I actually understand some of the truths in the bible, however,the evidence of the creation and therefore the ONE true god who does have a name, is all around us. How is it that man and woman evolved at the same time and then somehow knew to get togther to make a new life and how did we reproduce before that? I could go on and on but its just too far off topic. There is a lot of baloney going around about a lot of things in the bible. We all have freedom of choice and I choose to believe in the one true god(theirs a lot of false ones) and the writing is on the wall that the future looks scarey and it is in my best interest to get prepared. I enjoy this blog. That gary2 seems rather nutty, I like making my own way and don’t want any handouts. I just got the bug to comment because of the comments stating ” no god blah blah blah” Have a pleasent day.
Generally, I prefer to be peachy keen instead of preachy keen, but I feel I must say something about religion in general:
Three times in Matthew chapter 24 of the Bible, Jesus warns about false prophets and religions during the “end times”. I won’t bother posting it here; read it for yourself.
Now, why would Jesus place so much emphasis on false prophets which would even deceive the “very elect”? Why not more time talking to His disciples about earthquakes, tornadoes, locusts and so forth?
Obviously, He placed great importance on how easily deceived the masses will be, by some religious “hero”. We must always be vigilant.
Okay, I’m off my soapbox now.
Once you understand the way the economy works and the monetary system (which is not the economy) you will realize that the wonderful independence of our American system – a free and powerful capitalist society – was mortally injured in 1913 by the socialist founders of the Federal Reserve by what they did at a secret meeting on Jekyll Island. Instead of cursing at each other and finding fault, everyone should just get educated! It won’t scare you, but it will show you that the writer of this article has no authority to say that what is already beginning to happen won’t suddenly get very worse. It only takes rioters, criminals, and unemployed desperate people to create what Porter Stansberry calls “The End of America.”
Here is great websight for all the prepers out there.
http://ferfal.blogspot.com/
We recently moved to rural Washington state an have a hobby farm. We had little insight into growing and farming. I can tell you it will take you two years to get up and running on what you can and can’t grow. How to grow it, when to start it, what to do with it when it all comes at once. Get started now even on a small scale. Thinking you can save some airloom seeds is short sighted.
I live in the Bible belt and spend a lot of my spare time going into public parking lots and passing out religious literature and witnessing to people about God and His law of love (i.e. the Ten Commandments). I went into a gun trade show parking lot recently and was amazed at the godless, irreligious attitude I found there. Most gun owners are faithless, it seems- choosing to put their trust in their guns, rather than in the protection that God could give them.
I’m prepping, and put a gated entrance out by the front of my property, but the rest I’m leaving in the hands of God. Anyone who tries to break into my place isn’t going to have to deal with me or ‘Smith & Wesson’, but rather with the Lord God Omnipotent.
I know I’m posting this late, and not many people will read it, but for the few who do- please, don’t put your trust or faith in guns… put it in the God who says… “I will never leave you, nor forsake you.” (Hebrews 13:5)
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I agree that individuals should save money, but I will get flak on what I am going to write next. Gold is the only money. The rest are money substitutes. The worse substitute to save are Federal Reserve Notes (FRNs) as they are rapidly losing value as might be seen by a trip to the grocery store, or even looking at new cars. If you can’t afford gold, a great alternative money substitute is silver. Many say gold does not pay interest, however calculate you interest from the bank, or even the stock market. If you have not doubled the amount of FRNs in the last 15 years you have lost purchasing power.
It does not good to blame Obama, Bush, or the cast of misfits in the White House. None have ever offered a real solution. The real solution is freedom.
A Rifle for hunting sounds like a good idea. Thanks for the suggestion. I’ll buy two or three tomorrow.
There is thing fundamentally wrong with your analysis and tone in this article, namely acting as though this was ievitable like the coming of the next ice age. That no matter what we did this would have happened. That is patently and tragically false. There was a definite cause for this crisis and that is corruption and it was caused by a relatively small number of people who are easily identifiable. These people contrary to their public image are fully aware that many actions on their parts over the years have led to this inevitable situation and therefore for a long period of time,have been busy building their lush and well appointed Arks for when the day comes and they will suddenly vanish from the public view, to avoid their judgement day. All I say to these people is that you can run but in the end you cant hide. Whole societies that become ruined because of Madof like activities will have long memories and a long arm to exact their rightful justice.
Not sure whether it was Bush 2 or Obama who was/is the worst president we’ve ever had. Bush really put the peddle down on the current deluge we see in the destruction of our liberty (“patriot act”, etc) but Obama has yet to do anything that wasn’t the complete opposite of what he promised to get elected. The big O also has hammered at our liberties at least as hard as Bush.
And regarding economics, with all the confusion that has been built into the system it isn’t at all surprising that most people can’t get it straight. The confusion is there to allow one particular group to con stuff out of another group. It doesn’t change natural law. Money is convenient, but it gets subject to all the twisting and bending you hear about all the time. If you want to cut through all the crap, just look at it for what it is. If one person wants something from someone else, then that other person had to do something to produce that thing. If the guy who wants the thing doesn’t do anything to exchange for the thing then there starts the problem. Everything else is just complexity that has been added. Any system or solution that starts taking things without doing something for them is at the root of all the complicated sounding problems you hear about in economics. This is true whether the thing that is wanted is oil from the middle east or a hamburger or a presidential limosine. Think it over and you will see where the problems really lie.