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If One Storm Can Turn D.C. Dark For Several Days, What Would A Massive EMP Burst Do?

Sometimes we all get a little reminder of just how completely and totally dependent we are on the power grid.  Massive thunderstorms that ripped through Ohio, West Virginia, Maryland, Washington D.C. and Virginia left millions without power over the weekend.  At this point it is being projected that some people may not get power back until the end of the week.  The "super derecho" storm that pounded the Washington D.C. area on Friday night with hurricane-force winds is being called unprecedented.  But the truth is that there are other events that could happen that would be far more damaging to our power grid.  For example, a substantial EMP burst over a major U.S. city would fry virtually all of the electronics in the city and take the power grid in the area down indefinitely.  A gigantic EMP burst over the entire country (caused by a massive solar storm or a very large nuclear explosion high in the atmosphere) could theoretically take down the entire national power grid.  Just try to imagine a world where nobody has any electricity, nobody can pump gas, nobody can use their credit cards or get any more money, where most vehicles won't start, where nobody has the Internet, where all cell phones are dead and where nobody can heat or cool their homes.  That is how serious an EMP burst could potentially be.  We are talking about an event that could be millions of times worse than 9/11.

Hopefully this latest storm has reminded Americans about how vulnerable our power grid really is and about how close we really are to being knocked back to the late 1800s.

Let's review some of the damage that this "super derecho" storm caused to the D.C. area....

-Thousands of businesses have been forced to close temporarily because they cannot operate without electricity

-Many federal agencies were closed on Monday because there was no power

-Many 911 call centers throughout Northern Virginia were down over the weekend and could not respond to emergencies

-Without electricity, many families have not been able to cook warm meals

-Without warm water, many families have not been able to take hot showers

-A "boil water advisory" was put into effect for several areas of northern Virginia

-Many families that still do not have power are in danger of losing much of the food in their refrigerators and freezers

-Many gas stations were not able to operate because of a lack of electricity and so this has made filling up the gas tank a major hassle for many families

-Hundreds of traffic lights are still out and this is making commuting a major problem in some areas

-Without air conditioning many families are absolutely sweltering as high temperatures remain well above 90 degrees

-During the power outage some people have been without cell phone service because many cell phone towers were inoperable

-Without electricity, thousands upon thousands of people have not been able to use their computers for several days and this is causing a lot of frustration

-Several major websites were totally knocked offline by the storms as Robert McMillan of Wired Magazine explained....

Hurricane-like storms knocked an Amazon data center in Ashburn, Virginia, offline last night, and a chunk of the internet felt it. The six-hour incident temporarily cut off a number of popular internet services, including Netflix, Pinterest, Heroku, and Instagram.

But to be honest this was not a major disaster.

After a few days the damage will be fixed and people will start to forget what just happened.

Well, what if the damage was permanent and the entire nation had to go without electricity for the foreseeable future?  The following is from a USA Today article by Dan Vergano....

The sky erupts. Cities darken, food spoils and homes fall silent. Civilization collapses.

End-of-the-world novel? A video game? Or could such a scenario loom in America's future?

There is talk of catastrophe ahead, depending on whom you believe, because of the threat of an electromagnetic pulse triggered by either a supersized solar storm or terrorist A-bomb, both capable of disabling the electric grid that powers modern life.

As I have written about previously, an EMP attack could fundamentally change life in America in a single instant.

What would you do if such a scenario happened?

Would you try to go somewhere?  Even if the electronics in your car were not totally fried, you would not be able to pump more gas anywhere.

Would you try to call someone?  Most phones would be totally dead and all normal communications networks would be down.  So who would you call?

Would you bunker down and try to survive on what you have at home?  Most of the food in your refrigerator and freezer would rapidly go bad and most Americans only have enough food to last a few days or a few weeks.  In addition, most Americans would no longer be able to heat or cool their homes, so extreme cold and extreme heat would become huge problems very quickly.

How in the world would any of us survive in a world without electricity?

In past centuries our forefathers knew how to survive in such a world, but most of us do not have the same skills or resources that they had.

The following is how an article in the Wall Street Journal once described what a massive EMP burst would do to this nation....

No American would necessarily die in the initial attack, but what comes next is potentially catastrophic. The pulse would wipe out most electronics and telecommunications, including the power grid. Millions could die for want of modern medical care or even of starvation since farmers wouldn't be able to harvest crops and distributors wouldn't be able to get food to supermarkets. Commissioner Lowell Wood calls EMP attack a "giant continental time machine" that would move us back more than a century in technology to the late 1800s.

What would you do if you were suddenly cut off from all electricity, all money, all modern forms of communication, all modern forms of transportation and all modern forms of shopping?

Don't think that it can't happen.

Scientists tell us that massive EMP bursts generated by gigantic solar storms have hit our planet in the past and that it is inevitable that it will happen again.

In addition, nations all over the planet are aware of what an EMP burst can do and have been developing "Super-EMP" weapons that can take power grids down in a single strike.

The following is a short excerpt from a statement by Dr. Peter Vincent Pry to the United States Senate Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology and Homeland Security on March 8th, 2005....

Russian and Chinese military scientists in open source writings describe the basic principles of nuclear weapons designed specifically to generate an enhanced-EMP effect, that they term "Super-EMP" weapons. "Super-EMP" weapons, according to these foreign open source writings, can destroy even the best protected U.S. military and civilian electronic systems.

That doesn't sound good.

But perhaps even more troubling is that North Korea has been reportedly developing this type of weapon.  In fact, it has been reported that North Korea may have tested a "Super-EMP" weapon all the way back in 2009....

North Korea’s last round of tests, conducted in May 2009, appear to have included a “super-EMP” weapon, capable of emitting enough gamma rays to disable the electric power grid across most of the lower 48 states

In time, these kinds of weapons will get into more and more hands.

Will someone try to use this kind of weapon at some point?

Frank Gaffney, the president of the Center for Security Policy, believes that a single EMP burst could potentially end up killing the vast majority of the population of the United States....

"Within a year of that attack, nine out of 10 Americans would be dead, because we can't support a population of the present size in urban centers and the like without electricity"

Once you understand these kinds of threats, it makes it a lot easier to understand why preppers are so busy preparing for the future.

Our world is becoming incredibly unstable.  Another major economic crisis could hit us at any time, war in the Middle East could erupt without warning, earthquakes and other natural disasters are becoming more frequent and society seems to get a little crazier with each passing day.

The era of tremendous peace and prosperity that we have all been enjoying is rapidly coming to an end.  In a world filled with instability and chaos, it only seems prudent to take some precautions.

You might want to get prepared while you still have time.

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  • Rodster

    If the North Koreans were stupid enough to fire a weapon like that, they would be blown off the map and a major catastrophic World War would take place.

    No questions tens of millions would die within 1-2 months from starvation or lack of medicine.

    On the flip side I like to turn lemons into lemonade. At least without electricity I won’t have to read “tax the greedy to feed the needy” from Gary2. :)

    • Alasha

      lol

  • r.bitting

    Trust in Jesus Christ to save you from the wrath to come. He died a sacrificial daeth on the cross so that all who would place their trust in him would not be condemned, but have eternal life.

    • jaxk

      amen!

    • justamom

      Amen, R.Bitting! Thanks for the important reminder. God bless you today and always!

    • Crossworks

      And HE IS are only hope. The more I read about world events and see what is happening to our country, the more I believe we as Believers in Jesus need to get back quickly on the “straight & narrow” if you are not already!

      And at the same time do everything you can to speak truth to all who are willing to listen, because the pieces are all falling in place prophetically in the Middle East.

      The days are very short.

  • Mark

    I think this scenerio will play out when NC or Iran gets desperate to feed it’s own people or possibly China. If they knock out our power they can invade and just by sheer numbers overwhelm us pretty quickly. Throughout history power shifts from east to west and it’s definitely starting to shift back to the west. May God have mercy on us all.

    • Arkaden

      Are you serious with the “invade and overwhelm”? There is not an army on this planet that is stupid enough to invade the US. Not because of our standing military, but because of the civilian firearm ownership. “You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.” – once thought to be a quote from a Japanese Admiral during WW2.

      • Hans Kuhn

        Americans are a bunch of stupid animals easy to manipulate and subdue. I just want to see people like you confronting a well prepared and motivated militia as People’s Liberation Army knocking on your door…most likely pricks like you will peacefully (and cowardly) surrender (don’t forget to stick your cheap patriotism in your ass)…besides that PLA has already plans for all the Christian churches in America: they will be used as latrines.

        • Paul

          Interesting.

          Churches in China are not used as latrines.

          Ever been to China yourself? Try it. Very nice people there.

    • Patrick Henry

      I can assure you that North Carolina (NC) has no intentions of attacking with an EMP, our current Governor Bev Perdue could not find the button or switch in a halogen lite room, or even understand how to push the button. ;)

    • JStevens

      Russia, China, most of the Middle East, and parts of Africa would have to join forces and invade us all at once and they still would lose. Of course, if the USA was already having a civil war/revolution of its own, then yes, these countries may have a chance.

    • Natty Bumppo

      I have always been suspicious of those North Carolinians! If they get close to testing a nuke or EMP device, I sincerely hope that Virginia invades them.

  • sre

    Many people have been saying that we’re all doomed for decades. The internet has just allowed these people a greater forum, to reach more people. In truth nothing has, can, or will happen.
    As Chicken Little would say: “Awk. The sky is falling. The sky is falling.”

    • Cinderella Man

      yeah keep thinking that when you are resorting to cannibalisim in the next few years buddy!

    • TexasMarine

      Prudence and having a plan of action in the event of emergency, especially a catastrophic emergency is a hell of a lot smarter than being the guy laughing at Chicken Little. I’ll store up some food, guns, ammo and if something happens you won’t be getting fed by me or my friends.

      • Crossworks

        oorah soldier!!!

  • http://EconomicCollapse Already Gone

    woodstove for heat and to prepare meals,candles and lamps/oil,Sauna,Bikes,cb radios/car battery,solar power chargers,hand pump for gas,blankets to send smoke signals,Bass drums to send morse code with,cow,pigs,chickens,rats,so me worry nah!

    • Alasha

      Staaaoooop it!!!! 2 funnee Already Gone…. I am soooo domesticated in the tech society – i cannot ruff in the least. Even washing small clothing items by hand is a MAJOR event for me. Jeepers!! Prepping food (cutting onions, slicing tomatoes) for a simple MEAL is a milestone for me. I just wanna Order It, Plug It and/or Turn It on…. Period.

    • uncurable wound

      You live in Minnesota,WE are surrounded by SHEEPLE.Hopefully you are far north of Msp…..Im working on it.

      Never trust a sheep!

  • Kevin2

    The availability of relatively cheap accessible energy made the modern world modern. At the forefront of that energy availability is electricity. Electricity put the M in the modern world and it’s unavailability puts the planet back to no pun intended, “the dark ages”.

    The world could only support a fraction of it’s current population without not just electricity but huge amounts of cheap available electricity.

  • DaytoDay

    “After a few days the damage will be fixed and people will start to forget what just happened.”

    Frank Gaffney: “Within a year of that attack, nine out of 10 Americans would be dead, because we can’t support a population of the present size in urban centers and the like without electricity”

    See the correlation?

    This article should have been titled “1st world problems” because, in other places of the world (3rd world countries), they still are living in the late 1800s and I think a lot of us tend to forget that.

    So yes, a permanent loss of electricity would be devastating to our society. Because as stated, most people are ill equipped (Mentally, physically, spiritually) to be able to survive in such a world as “Law of jungle” And also because, a lot of people just don’t live near anything fertile, even if they did have the skills and mindset to survive, they still wouldn’t make it (Kind of hard to eat concrete).

    And I couldn’t help but think of how many people got knocked of their “High horse” this weekend because they couldn’t Text Susie Q and surf internet porn all weekend…

    • GaryToo

      you mean they had to actually look up??? face their surroundings. today i saw a young guy riding a bicycle while face down in his phone. amazing.

  • Louis

    Correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn’t a power grid failure cause a nuclear crisis considering the number of nuclear power plants in this country? What would become of them? Wouldn’t they make entire segments of the country unlivable for generations? Are nuclear power plants here designed to handle extended power outages? I ask because I seriously don’t know, can someone fill me in? Thank you.

    • Bone Idle

      You are basically correct.

      I would suggest that there would be several severe cases of meltdown and resultant release into the atmosphere of large amounts of life threatening no goodness.

      We have seen at Fukashima Japan the ineptitude of authorities to cope with a serious situation involving a natural disaster causing a nuclear “accident”.

    • Aloha

      I’d like an answer this as well…this is a very important question!

      • uncurable wound

        Effects of an EMP Attack or Severe Solar Storm on Nuclear Power Plants

        • uncurable wound

          Hey Michael, Im trying to post a link to a survival blog story on effects of an EMP on Nuke plants but it wont post.

          Everyone if you Google-” survivalblog Effects of an EMP Attack or Severe Solar Storm on Nuclear Power Plants” it will take you to the info you seek.There is a story right above it on effects on cars!

          Hope this helps,sorry for the incomplete posts.

    • Patrick Henry

      Depends on whether the back up Diesel generators are shielded, which many aren’t. And even if they were they only have a limited supply of diesel to maintain operation. Trucks may or may not be able to resupply the plants. Even then, you would eventually run out of diesel. The pumps for cooling the spent fuel rods in are typically exposed in open air pools. They would quickly created a massive meltdown situation. The rods in the cooling towers hopefully would be contained but no one truly knows.

      Plants do go through a standard shut down on occasion, but those are planned events. The power grid still maintains cooling pumps to circulation water. Think of it as a giant radiator and water pump for your car. What happens if your car can’t circulate water through your radiator…….same principle. The lack of cooled water in the holding ponds will quickly evaporate and expose the spent rods to air.

    • http://www.survivalweek.com Matt

      Yes, a massive and extended power outage could cause nuclear crises, much like the one in Fukushima, Japan. The cooling systems for these plants would eventually fail once their backup generators ran out of fuel or coal/gas. Prolonged electrical outtage would make resupply of those energy sources spotty at best. EMP strike would not only cripple the energy transmission systems, it would cripple fuel pumps. Not to mention trains and trucks would be stopped in their tracks…assuming they are not hardened against EMP.

    • chickly

      Yes. Without electricity the plants would lose cooling ability and there would be meltdowns and widespread radiation. This is why Germany and Japan have (smartly) decided to shut those things down… Now you might want to check and see where your local nuclear power plant is.

    • Louis

      My state has no nuclear power plants in it (not popular, we were going to have our first, but the Japanese crisis ended that), but the states next to us have PLENTY. How far is a safe distance from a nuclear power plant in case of a meltdown (assuming winds don’t carry it across the world) and how long would it take for land to be habitable again?

      • Paul

        Chernobyl in the Ukraine affected Western Europe.

        How do you define habitable?

        In Vietnam Children still get birth defects, 40 years after the US left. And the US just used herbizides on the forests, not even nuclear bombs.

        How can you assume wind to stop suddenly?

    • Chuck

      I emailed a plant in Minnesota repeatedly 2 years ago.
      Responder suggested repeatedly that there was no issues, they have diesel supply’s to run cooling systems/pumps to on average 2 to 4 weeks before they run out of fuel.
      So they are fine on short term problems.

      I asked what about after fuel is gone and they guy got a little irate in his response.
      Something about non pump circulation..
      but that means no new water pumped in and these rods take several years to cool enough to be stable on their own.

      These nuke power stations are “supposed” to be hardened but ya never know, with the cover ups and “small” leaks that get reported weeks late after people have been exposed to acceptable-minor radiation levels… or never at all.

      Look up the plant name near you, search and email them.
      Ask competent questions and they will respond.
      I am only concerned about after an electrical issue like no power and no water pumping.

      Chuck

  • Snowleopard

    It’s just absurd that 911 call centers do not have backup power! How about gas stations? Really, how difficult would it be to hook up a generator and run fuel from one of their large tanks, especially those stations that have diesel? Would it be a problem to keep those generators in a grounded steel structure?

    I don’t think terrorists are able to delivering a Super EMP weapon, so it would be an act of war. Military plans to stop a EMP attack are likely classified, so civilians won’t know if our protectors are swimming naked ’till the tide goes out!

    • Alasha

      “It’s just absurd that 911 call centers do not have backup power! ” And the taxes continue to go up – it is absurd…unbelievable… and prob downright diabolical. of course, no one will be held to account … who has time and time just keep moving right along.

    • Saq

      LOL… thats a visual I could have done without…. ;-)

  • beezer

    Well I guess you could make a metal box and crawl inside and close the door. Don’t know how much that would help though. I have thought about making a metal box in a basement room where I would put insulation in the rafters and then line the ceiling with metal and do the same with the walls and door. But I do not know if it would be worth the effort with an EMP or a CME.
    I guess you would have to live through one to find out, NO THANKS.
    I like my computer, cell phone, credit cards, TV etc. etc. etc…
    Would being underground help?
    Anyone have any ideas???

    • Prepared Pastor

      I bought a heavy duty metal five-drawer filing cabinet at a government surplus auction and built it into a wall as I was building my retreat. It is grounded through the floor and most experts agree that it will protect my backup chargers, inverters, and communications devices. If there was an EMP event capable of taking out your cell phone and TV, your cell phone and TV will be useless as their will be no infrastructure to support them.

      BTW, I live in West Virginia and am embarrassed how ill prepared many of my neighbors were. They are still using their smart phones to complain on Facebook. Even if we did not still have power, this would not have been significant enough to retreat to our mountain hide-a-way as I have an inverter on my diesel truck capable of alternately running the fridge and A/C, plenty of food and water, and gas to cook it.

      It does not matter what we believe our enemies will do or not do as long as we are ready for every other disaster (such as CME) we will be default be ready for them too.

  • milspec

    I believe that many of us could survive without electric power from a nationwide EMP event causing a long term grid failure. Lack of food and water along with the anarchy and barbarism of course, would wipe out 10′s of millions people most likely. But that’s not even the worst problem.

    The worst problem with these grid down scenarios is that we could never survive the radioactive releases of all 104 US nuclear reactors plus all of the spent fuel pool sites melting down after the 14-28 days of diesel supply run out, considering the backup systems are hardened against EMP and actually function. Those diesel generators provide power to the cooling pumps which keep the nuclear fuel from melting through containment and run on computers that would likely be damaged in an EMP event. Once you realize that a reactor shutdown still requires 5 or more years of cooling requirements for those fuel rods, you start to grasp the scope of the problem here. If there’s no power, no infrastructure, no transportation, and no one goes to work because of the chaos, everything comes to a halt. There aren’t enough resources to manually try to maintain cooling everywhere indefinitely. I’m sure the military would try but the reality is grim. There’s no contingency for a catastrophic long term (months or years) power grid failure for backup cooling beyond just a few weeks at any nuclear power and spent fuel pool site anywhere in the world, from what I’ve read.

    On top of that, the transformers required to run a power grid, the transformers that would probably get fried and damaged beyond repair in an EMP event or surge or failure, take about 2 years, from date of order, to manufacture and deliver onsite. As you might have already guessed, none are made in the US. So basically, once the grid is fried, it is unlikely that it will ever be repaired in time to prevent our worst nightmare from coming true. The nuclear cooling failures that will ultimately follow will literally render the entire Northern Hemisphere of the planet uninhabitable, assuming the meltdowns are limited to just this Country’s and not others, caused by blind retalitory EMP attacks launched by the US.

    All you have to do is look at 1 site and 1 reactor and 1 spent fuel pool in Japan, caused from a localized disaster in 1 Country that still has resources, infrastructure, organization and people. They are barely, if you can even call it that, handling the disaster 16 months later. Unit #4 in Fukushima has enough MOX fuel to kill everything in the Northern Hemisphere over time, if the supporting structure collapses during the next big earthquake that will ultimately hit. We have over 104 sites all waiting for the worst possible scenario to hit, no power.

    Now, imagine a Nationwide EMP attack on the US and a multi-year grid down event with all transportation and resource distribution completely halted, people starving, and nuclear sites melting down just like Fukushima. That’s a bleak survival outlook folks.

    • Michael

      Very good points. I really enjoy it when readers come along and explore additional implications that I had not even considered in the article. Good stuff.

      Michael

      • Colin

        For those interested, here are the locations of nuclear reactors in the USA:

        http://www.nrc.gov/reactors/operating/map-power-reactors.html

        • Paul Smith

          If the event we’re discussing actually occurs, where the nuclear plants are located will be irrelevant. If Fukushima #4 spent fuel cooling collapses (in a hurricane or earthquake), it has the potential to release enough ionizing radiation to wipe out all life in the northern hemisphere. Can you imagine what happens if hundreds of such cooling pools dry up? I pray that the terrorists are aware of this and won’t do something so stupid. Now the sun is another issue altogether :-(

    • Louis

      That would be my worst nightmare.

      For a long time, I thought a collapse of society would mean that it could be reborn in a way that wasn’t so materialistic and filthy. I truly believed that we could return to a time of hard work and honor, but now I realize, that will never be the case. On top of that, the more I think about it, the more I realize that society isn’t going to collapse, it is just going to get harder and harder. The government will keep reactors going long after many of us have starved to death. Why? Because they can. When resources become harder to come by, the government will let the citizens suffer long before they even think about dipping into their own supplies. I don’t believe there will be some great event where society collapses. I don’t believe that the preppers here are wasting their time either, but I think the events they are going to experience (and be better off because of their preparations) are going to be very different than they expect. Life will get harder, and I do believe people will die, but there will be no clean slate to start over. Life will get harder, I realize that now, and suddenly all these hopes of what could be done with a clean slate are lost. I realized, if things collapsed, I’d die, and so would everyone I care about. The way things are now suck, but it is the only choice we have. But, a bit of hope exists within me, that despite the problems we face, things can get better. Each morning, when I tend to my vegetable garden, I realize how much things have changed since I was a child, and how much things will continue to change. I will continue to be frugal, to learn how to do more on my own, and why? Because I’m preparing to live in a harder world and plus, I enjoy it.

    • Bone Idle

      The transformers don’t get fried from an Atomic EMP attack. It’s all the micro circuits.

      A CME from the sun is different. Long wave electromagnetic waves incorporated in the energy waves from the sun induce large voltages into the cabling infrastructure and coils of transformers causing heat blow out.

    • Alasha

      untapped resource! perhaps you missed ur calling milspec…. way to go and Godspeed.

    • The Claymobile

      Thanks for the additional info! It was very informative.

    • Kevin2

      Actually new designs incorporate steam turbines as a back up. As long as the reactor is making heat there is steam and as long as there is steam there are water pumps being powered by the turbines. As the enthalpy decays the turbine produces less power but less power is also needed. It’s a crafty system that has little if any downside.

  • http://www.Jesus-Seal.org/ Kenneth Lowndes

    Seems that the congress voted not to protect the nations power grid just a couple years back. Maybe it is because they do not want for us to survive, as they decend into thier giant sized deep underground bunkers.
    Some of us call these bunkers, stocked high with years worth of both water and food and medical supplies, “mass graves.”
    While it takes severalinches of LEAD to absorb radiation, a 4 micron thick layer of gold is enough to REFLECT radiation.
    This is what happened to protect our astronaughts when they went to the moon. LEAD was way too heavy.
    Plus, it absorbs it, not reflects it, as does GOLD.
    The only people who may still ave any electrical ability at all will most likel be those who are using a reflective cover and solar panels hooked up to a bank of deep cycle batteries.
    If the EMP from either the Sun or Nuclear ever takes place, Americans will be in the HELL on Earth so many scoff at.

  • http://Theeconomiccollapse Gregge Johnson

    Telling a lie is bad, Not telling the truth is worse, not being prepared will KILL YOU.

  • davidmpark

    “In past centuries our forefathers knew how to survive in such a world, but most of us do not have the same skills or resources that they had.”

    I do. :)

    “What would you do if such a scenario happened?”

    First thing to do is strip the alternator out of your car. Most likely it wouldn’t be damaged by the EMP as the pulse targets circuitry. Carve up a 2X4 into a support for a tail and brackets, then carve a 1X6 into a propeller. Attach alternator to tail bracket at base; then propeller to the wheel. Run minimum #16 wires from alternator to batteries.

    For a makeshift battery, gather 18 soda cans, some lengths of copper pipe, #16 wires, electrical tape, and a box big enough to hold all cans, and some water and liquid bleach. Wrap top and bottom of copper cut into 3 1/2″ lengths, and then set into soda cans (make sure aluminum and copper don’t touch.) Attach wires from copper to can and continue that pattern ’til you have one wire sticking out from copper (+ terminal) and can (- terminal). Fill cans with solution 1 to 10; bleach to water. Good for about 24 vdc. 9 cans would do about 12 1/2 vdc.

    “Would you try to go somewhere? Even if the electronics in your car were not totally fried, you would not be able to pump more gas anywhere.”

    First, keep some plans on converting a car to run on wood gas (methanol). Then purchase the hard-to-find items so it’s not a problem later. You can make a small vehicle with parts around the house using a roto-tiller engine or the like. We built a prototype using mostly 2X4′s and junk (the wheels came off the bikes).

    “Would you try to call someone? Most phones would be totally dead and all normal communications networks would be down. So who would you call?”

    I built a wireless telegraph about a year ago. Thinking of building two more for in-laws to contact us. If you build one it must be stored in a Faraday cage. I used these plans:
    http://archive.org/details/howtomakewireles00more

    “Would you bunker down and try to survive on what you have at home? Most of the food in your refrigerator and freezer would rapidly go bad and most Americans only have enough food to last a few days or a few weeks. In addition, most Americans would no longer be able to heat or cool their homes, so extreme cold and extreme heat would become huge problems very quickly.”

    It’s not very hard if preparations are made ahead of time. We built an old-fashioned ice box mostly out of 2X4′s, silicone, foam pad insulation, and some hardware. We also converted part of the playground into an ice house using techniques similar to the ice box. The trick is to gather ice in winter, and use in summer. Not a normal skill; but check with some online archives for books on the methods. I also built a very crude, but functional swamp cooler for a small room. Not very good; but it does work off 12 volts.

    • Alasha

      r u serious davidmpark? wow. and this really works. ohboy, i will 18 can thingy…. smile. Godspeed!

      • davidmpark

        Yeah, it really works. I’ve built better since using 4″ black plastic drain pipes – made 2 batteries 5 feet tall. The challenge was greater, but the results are much better than 18 cans in a wood box; especially when time comes to change the acid solution.

    • KenD

      Thanks for these great tips davidmpark. We’ll have to learn to think outside the 21st century box again. Get a Sun Oven. What a neat idea and it really works! All you need is a little sunshine and you’re good to go. It even works on cloudy days. Hot enough to make baked beans at our Independence Day BBQ! My wife got a great deal too at http://www.srmarketplace.com. Not only do they sell the oven we also bought a lot of freeze dried stuff from them. Love the freeze dried pineapple and the cheese!!! Hmm…, we’ll have to try to make pizza in my Sun Oven. Has anyone tried that?

    • chickly

      Marry me?

      • davidmpark

        Already married!

        • HecatesMoon

          awwwwe lol

    • Paul

      Get a camping refrigerator. They work on gas.

      Instead of gas use a lens to capture sunlight. They you can use the refrigerator to capture water from humid air.

  • markthetruth

    Exactly……..

    The kind of progress the human race made, is not what the bible talked about. We have done nothing but destroy the earth ,space, society , morals , and beliefs. As i said before we are creating hell but nothing body is listing or paying attention to the signs coming from god who is screaming at us but we refuse hear and see it . People go to church and think they have done there deed . But we are supposed to follow his words all the time. But if i was looking in from the outside at us i would be disgusted on on accounts.

    As we progress like we are our personal life is shrinking to about 15%,if you where to live to 90. 30 years are sleeping , 45 years working , 15 years left for yourself.

    “Mark my words” what we call our leaders are not. And are leading us down the wrong path.
    We need to read the bible and follow the lessons from our true and only leader……

    There are two paths you can go by, but in the long run There’s still time to change the road you’re on.

    the end.

  • Washington

    Jan 31, 2012 George Soros support Mitt Romney, investor/communist and Obamas supporter want Mitt Romney. It’s not a good day for a republican to get support from communists. On Fed 2 Donald Trump announced his support for Mitt Romney. It can’t be a good day for a republican when Obama supporters see Romney as a good option.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6aLQU_nYSM

  • K

    Yes it would basically throw us back to the late 1800s, if we were very lucky. You see, you would have about 100 nuke reactors trying to melt down. Yes the backup generators are supposed to be hardened against EMP, lets hope they were not low bid. The last I heard they are only required to keep 10 days worth of fuel on site.How will we deliver more fuel? Will the nuke workers stay at their posts, or will they leave to take care of their families? But lets just say we manage to stabilize all the nuke plants. Now are we just back in the 1800s, maybe. But with us in such a weakened condition who is to say the Russians or the Chinese might not come by for a visit? Now add in all the things covered in the story. Best case we loose 75% of the population. And some people wonder why many of us pray? How about because we know what could really happen.

    • Paul Smith

      No, we pray because we know what WILL happen. All of these things we talk of are not just possible or probable – they’re certain, they were predicted. While we don’t know the day or the hour, we were told to look up and watch for the signs.

      Come, Lord Jesus!

      • Crossworks

        AMEN!

  • McKinley Morganfield

    The scenario Michael describes is a possibility, but we have no way of gauging the odds. That lucky old sun certainly could do it, and it did it as recently as 1859. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859

    A nuke emp attack is a horse of a different color, currently only China or Russia have the capability to carry off such an attack in terms of missiles and sufficiently large warheads. It is conceivable that circumstances could occur that might make either of them believe it was in their best interests to take the USA back to 1800. But I’m not going to worry about an emp attack until NK or Iran has the missile technology to conduct such an attack.

    Prep for such an event is the same as for an total economic collapse. Stored food and water and purification supplies to see you through at least 6 months, seeds and food preservation skills and materials, self-defense and hunting tools, cooperation with friends and family, and a bit of luck. ;-)

  • bobcat

    OK. So you can rig up some stuff like the professor on Gilligan’s Island, plant a garden, hunt deer and feed your family. Marauding gangs will soon appear. Got guns? Good. You’ll need them. You’ll spend as much time or more defending yourself as hunting, gathering and farming. By necessity, you’ll form a community for defense.

    Oh and forget the telegraph. If you can tap out Morse code, build a spark gap transmitter and a simple detector receiver.

    My people were pig and chicken farmers. That’s how I grew up. We used a privy until I was 8. I’m too old for that. I prefer to go out in a blaze of glory.

  • Stop the maddness

    Just when I was really learning new and informative information from this web site, the writer takes us on a what if scenario
    we have enough looneys on the SHTF website andbecoreits news website to last us a lifetime.
    Please mr. michael, don’t take us down that road, stick to the facts, thats what you are good at.

  • mark

    We are getting more prepared each year. At least we do not live anywhere near a nuke plant, but the ones in Japan , China or India could be a big problem as the radiation comes accross the Pacific. If the nukes don’t get you the hoards will be hard to stop. This would be a lot more of a problem than just going back to the 18 hundreds. If you happen to be able to produce power and the lights are on at night you will stick out lick a sore thumb. I suppose there would be a lot of advantages to having an underground house with real good blinds. Sounds like something to look into. It would be pretty fire resistant in a forest fire also.

  • Colin

    For those who say that because people predict something to happen, it doesn’t mean it will happen, I like to point them to a video from 1958. This video is a clip from the Unchained Goddess produced by the film director Frank Capra. In the video, Dr. Frank C. Baxter talks about climate change, how humans caused climate change, and what this could mean for our country.

    http://ossfoundation.us/projects/environment/global-warming/frank-capra-warns-of-global-warming-1958

    The Revelle mentioned in the article was the scientist Roger Revelle (1909-1991). Here is an article on Revelle. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Revelle)

    I think of the two events, a massive solar storm or an EMP attack, I think the former has a better chance of happening. The Sun is not constrained by money, nor is it prevented from doing what it wants by the obstruction of others.

  • Ken

    Many are prepping for what may lie ahead, but how many are giving any thought to their eternal destiny? I do not know if their will ever be an EMP attack or not, but God will one day bring this world to an end. Are you prepared?
    See John chapter 3

    14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
    18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

  • BigDave

    I don’t discount this, but I would think that the majority of the world;s bad guys would think twice before they decided to launch a first strike EMP on the US. And a CME from the sun is very likely to happen (potentially soon due to the increase in the sun’s activity). But back to my first point. If we were sent back to the late 1800s, the rest of the world would suffer just as bad as us. If we aren’t here to buy all of China’s crappy plastic products, the govenrment there wouldn’t be able to pay their people the $4 per day they earn for a 20 hour day. That will cause them to have a revolution that would be just as bad as what we would be going through (picture 1 billion starving people in a small area). And Europe might have power, but their economy would go down within minutes, and if they don’t get all the social services that they feel they deserve, they will riot (we are already able to witness this on a smaller scale in Greece). Anyhow, love your site and agree that sooner or later it is inevitable that something horrible will happen that will bring us to our knees. It is time to prepare…

  • Paul

    The point is: everybody will forget about it and do nothing. Until the next time.

    Just like every Winter people are surprised about snow.

  • Paul

    Forget EMP. Yes, it could happen, yes it would be like war, but the US Army dropped atomic bombs (which create an EMP) over America in the 50s and people are still alive.

    I still remember the Winter in my youth – minus 25 celsius for weeks. We fed our stove with coal and wood. With the right oven you can cook with wood as well.

    People who go camping cook with their little propane tank for weeks.

    People hiking in the arctic sleep in a sleeping bag.

    So, my house has a 10 inch stone wall plus a 12 inch insulation and triple-pane windows. When the power is off, it takes at least a week until the indoor temperature drops to below zero – when nobody is living there.

    My mom survived the war, when the water had to be taken from the well outside, and froze in the bucket inside their windowless room.

    I am not afraid.

  • Alasha

    Excellent thoughts. Alittle off topic – i am trying to reconcile

    (1 Thessalonians 5:3) Whenever it is that they are saying: “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them just as the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman; and they will by no means escape.

    and how it will play out – obviously the powers that be will think they have made significant progress for mankind and then….. So much to digest and comprehend.

    • Luis

      Alasha, think about this… why would anyone cry out ‘peace and security’ when there is already peace and security? This cry implies the end of a great war. This is not an outlandish thought because Jesus Himself said there would be wars and rumor of wars in the end times (Matt. 24:6-7). Sudden destruction that comes after this implies major natural disasters and/or war again. We had WWI, then a brief time of peace, and WWII again. History does tend to repeat itself. If you want to learn more about Bible prophecy, I highly recommend the following free online book (no registration required): Reg6.com

      • Alasha

        Good point, Luis – thank you and will check out the site!!

  • Alasha

    “That is how serious an EMP burst could potentially be. We are talking about an event that could be millions of times worse than 9/11.” One the day of 9/11 – I called my grandma, mom (son was in school) & bf at the time and said “there is a plane that hit the WTC” ok luv you ….etc. Good thing I did bcuz by the time 2nd plane hit, the CELLPHONES were down and the chaos set in. We could tune into the tv, radio not our love one tho…. it was heartbreaking for at 10 hours… mmmm. Heaven help us….

  • Alasha

    spose to say… ON the day of 9/11… lol

  • bob sykes

    Virtually the only people alive today who could survive a return to 1800s technology are the Amish, and even they are dependent on modern society for many things. So, the estimate of 90% die-off is wildly optimistic. The bottom would be a population well below the level that existed prior to the European colonization, perhaps a few million at best. Maybe only 100,000.

    • Witness the End

      The Amish would be sitting ducks to a wave of starving looters. Unfortuneately, their expertise would die with them.

    • Alasha

      Will that makes me feel alittle better in a strange sort of way. I am def a city slicker – a Beyonce, Rhinana, Mariah Carey type of girl w/o the money….. when i was little and went camping with our girl scout troop… we hiked during the day and stayed in the hotel at night. so much for me ruffing. smile. i am trying 2 change – really. I don’t knw where to start w/o getting overwhelmed. lol. sigh. grumble, grumble, sniff, sniff.

  • BeenThere

    Interesting thoughts expressed here. On the one hand does an EMP permanently disable a grid? No the damage is repairable. However, in the case of the USA where utility companies are run down. Not enough skilled staff, no spare parts etc. Then the results could be very serious. Of more concern than the grid, which is relatively insensitive to EMP, is the high dependence on embedded microprocessor based control systems in nearly everything there is (cars, fridges etc etc). These are very EMP sensitive and virtually impossible to fix (the whole control unit has to be replaced)

  • Sailor Trash

    Being prepped is key. My wife and I get almost 99% of our electricity from solar and wind power; the last little bit is gasoline (small generator for windless cloudy days), and we can live without that.

    • Prepping for the Future

      That is good for you right now but after an EMP all the solar power system would be fried and you many have a fire. Same with charge controller and wind mill.

      • Alasha

        really? that is so incredible that can happen. gulp.

  • GaryToo

    my dad is an electronics/communications engineer and he said that emp from the sun give them huge headaches with equipment, a lot of frantic work behind the scenes goes on to get things back online quickly. these days he avoids speaking to me because i can not keep quiet about getting out of the casino b4 the house calls in all bets, ie liquidate all asset and get out of debt-dodge.

  • Matt T

    Electricity has only been around about 100 or so years. How did humans make it to the year 1900 without electricity? Just fine I might say. How did the USA do up to 1900 without electricity? Just fine. There would be some adjusting to do but we’d make do until power was restored.

    • Prepping for the Future

      People out in the country think like you do and you are right for those folks. But NYC has what 8 million people. Without electicity no water no sewer but people would still flush their toilet one last time. Without the sewer pumps where would that go flood into the streets. How could any major city keep people alive it is impossible for 90% and the 10% that made it out alive would have a tough go of it.

    • Starbucks

      I would love to be as sure as you are about our adaptability, but it takes a lot of time to restore the food and consumables that will vanish within hours of one of these events. How do you grow food in a couple of weeks by hand, in the amounts required? In 1900, half the population was involved in agriculture, today it is a tiny percentage. Most people do not have the knowledge to do it, or the time to do it after losing our grid.
      We are also, no longer a society that works together, chaos will be the order of the day as even good people turn to horrible deeds to keep their family from starving.
      I am on your side, but I think you may be overestimating what is possible.

    • Paul Smith

      I could go on and on and on about this subject but I’d like to ask you just one question, Matt. . .How many people in New York, Los Angeles, Houston, Miami, Chicago, Seattle, Denver, Sacramento, Atlanta, Dallas/Fort Worth, etc., etc., etc. are ready to survive as our ancestors did in the 1800′s? Lamps? Stoves? Mules? Plows? Windmills? Water purification equipment? Guns? Hand powered grain grinders? Sewing machines? Arable land? Food to get to the first harvest? If the sun does it’s thing, it could take years just to repair the electric grid IN JAPAN AND CHINA where our big transformers are built, never mind OUR grid or all of the electronics and electrical appliances on which we so depend. Food gets stripped from shelves in 24 hours and lasts about ten days (for those lucky enough to get some). Then what? Going hunting? You and 300 million others – good luck. Got farm animals, chickens, or crops? Good luck protecting them from the starving hordes. I expect we’d lose 50% of the population inside a month if not more STARTING with those who thought they were prepared – those who have will become quick targets for those who don’t.

      People who think this would be easy haven’t put much thought into all the issues that would arise. Can you imagine the garbage, personal hygiene, sanitation, rats, fleas, mosquitoes, etc. that would occur just days after such an occurrence – especially in the cities? How about what happens when all of the hospitals (who may have no staff left anyway) run out of fuel for their generators and all the life support systems stop? Where will people get their life saving medications? What do you do with the rapidly growing masses of bodies? Most people wouldn’t have a clue how to collect and purify water – the disease and death will be unbelievable and make life next to impossible for those who survive. Those who are prepared will have a very difficult time surviving – those who aren’t. . .?

      • The Claymobile

        Good post, Paul!

  • nowwthen

    One more thing for preppers to acquire prior to SHTF by EMP attack: older carbureted, mechanical fuel pump and breaker points ignition equipped vehicles. All those beautifully restored classics you see at car shows will be turned into daily drivers operating on gasoline siphoned from the millions of modern vehicles taken off line due to their fried microprocessors, inoperative EFI etc. A good choice would be a similarly equipped enduro bike capable of navigating between or around all those disabled cars blocking every highway.

    For a pretty good description of how an EMP attack might play out check out the novel “One Second After” by William R. Forstchen.

    • Michael

      A lot of people highly recommend “One Second After”. You can get it at reduced cost right here.

    • GaryToo

      there is a weapon held by secret services that looks like a ray gun which is aimed at a vehicles engine from up to abouit 20m away and stops it dead.

  • BK

    “Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth ….”

  • ScoutMotto

    Some electronics are small enough that they can be protected from EMP in a Faraday cage. Here is a video on how to build one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWjT0Bh_KZ8

  • Cinderella Man

    I listened to an interview with James Westley Rawles the other day and I have to agree when the power grid fails 80% will be in the mass die off that follows. This is an extinction level event. Some people actually think their milk comes from the store! True story. Nobody knows basic survival knowledge anymore except people that read this site and SHTF Plan. I agree with Rawles that living away from large cities in agricultural areas will be key to surviving the coming collapse of our society. Thankfully we live near wind turbines, have wheatfields, cows, sheep, pigs, chickens and wild game all over this neck of the woods. We could sustain ourselves although we might have to be like the people in that show Jericho and turn away outsiders. The sad fact is that everyone cannot and will not be saved. Those left behind in the aftermath will face challanges like they never dreamed of. If the first Great Depression challanged that generation which was much tougher than this one what will our’s do in the near future? Ive already decided that I cant afford meat in my diet so tomorrow on the 4th im going to start building pens for my piglets so I can fatten them up before the winter. Things are tough even out here, Michael. The grass is not growing feed is in short supply so the ranchers are dumping record numbers of cows and sheep right now. Prepare for beef to be in short supply cause on top of the Texas drought last year now the northern states are in one. Just face it folks, beef will be a luxury next year and Celente’s prediction of food as presents in Christmas 2012 doesnt seem so far fetched now!

    • Michael

      I am thinking of doing an article about how the dry conditions are affecting ranchers and farmers.

      If you find any links on this subject please let me know. :)

      Michael

      • treyball3
      • Cinderella Man

        Michael,

        Will do the first place I would look is at the livestock markets in WY, MT, CO, SD if you read in between the lines you can see they are dumping cattle right now. As of 6/27/12 at the Torrington WY auction 2,248 head sold in one day. Usually only a couple hundred sell at a time. Whats happening is the ranchers are trying to sell when the price is high, and they know that hay is going to be expensive in the fall. We already see ranchers from WY coming up here looking for hay. Let me put it to you this way: Last night I went with my Dad to his hayfield and he said he would be lucky if he got a third of the hay he got last year! Second I work in the feed and mineral supply business and I have see grain feed sales through the roof. Same goes for mineral and lactation supplements. The other day a Hutterite colony bought 25 tons of grain distillers to feed their sheep. Everywhere south of us is dry and we are catching up. People are scrambling to find corn and my elevator is one of the last places that have it. Going back to the minerals and supplements the cows are on poor grass and they have baby calves to feed. They go dry and cant produce milk for them so a rancher has to buy minerals and supplements to get the mama cow to produce milk. Sales have been soaring. You add it all up and you can only come up with the conclusion that we are in SERIOUS TROUBLE this year and I dont know how small producers like my family are going to weather this. All I can say is the ones who were in glee at Texas’s plight last year and crying in their beers right now. Carefull of the toes you step on today, it may be connected to the ass you have to kiss tomorrow!

        • Cinderella Man

          Just found another story from Ag News our free paper wheat harvesting in CO a month early because of the hot dry weather.

      • uncurable wound

        Heres a good one Michael,

        Corn Crop Withers Away: ‘Thought It Was Onions
        http://www.cnbc.com/id/48017309

  • laura m.

    Being 90 miles from the gulf we have plenty of warnings..we start to eat all perishable, frozen foods first, then if power goes out, you can shower with cold water, eat out of cans, burn candles, use a gas grill as we have done when power was out four days in ’95. The water and sewer was still working during that time as they have generators. In case water shuts down, we fill 5 gal. containers for toilet flushing and cooking. No air cond. no fans were bad enough. Even if the hurricane goes elsewhere, we did the right thing by eating the food. Everyone needs a gas grill, they’re cheap and come in handy, extra candles, LED flashlights, batteries, baby wipes for clean ups.

  • Harry

    Excellent article, as usual……

  • Luis

    When you consider the perspective of the Christian warfare, there is no way an EMP burst will ever happen on a major scale. The devil knows all too well that “they that are after the flesh, do mind the things of the flesh” (Romans 8:5). He has worked too hard to create a sophisticated web of technological wonders to engross the mind to then turn around and destroy it. I think you can count on old ‘Beelzebub’ to continue to provide you with rock-n-roll, competitive sports games, movies, TV shows, video games, etc. If you love this stuff, don’t worry… the devil won’t let you down.

  • CitizenS

    I actually live near Charleston WV. This area was hit hard and fast. People were fighting for gen sets, ice, milk, and drinking water!!! Simply amazing what kind of society we live in. Me and my boys bagged up the stuff in the fridge and took it out and put it in our inground holding tank for the spring, took our frozen stuff and put it in our deep freeze that runs strictly off solar/battery, then went about our business tending to chores and the animals. We cooked out on the fire pit, swam in the pool ( I do suggesd some sort of pool just for extra water storage…. And its a nice place to cool off!! :D just don’t drink it til its been treated.) But how on earth are people gonna survive if something REAL happens??? They are so jaded in their everyday life that they don’t think about tomorrow or any of the bad stuff that can interupt dancing with the stars!!! This was a nice trial run for us and I will have to say…. We are passing with flying colors!! People please try to let others know and spread the word. That way you can sleep with a clear concience!! When it does happen, keep your family close and protected because there will only be two kinds of people left, those who have…… And theives!!! Nice article Michael!

  • silverfarmer

    Back in the 70′s and 80′s I participated in EMP testing on both hardened (military) and standard commercial devices. EMPs consistently caused temporary failure in commercial electronics. In most cases removing and re-applying power restarted the device. Only rarely was there any lasting damage. The hardened devices usually were able to continue uninterrupted operation. In my experience, an EMP will knockout out the US power grid… for a couple of hours. That doesn’t mean that I don’t prep, but an economic collapse will have will have longer lasting consequences than an EMP and is not only possible, it’s damned likely. Economic collapse will turn the power off slowly, but for a much longer time. It’ll also stop the water from flowing in the pipes. Long before that, the stores will be empty, and the 20+ percent of our young men age 18-26 who are on medication for depression, or A.D.D. or both, will be off their meds. (can you say zombie apocalypse?) I’ve been collecting my “big six’=” for going on 10 years. Food, water, guns, ammo., gold, silver. Best of luck to you all.

  • TX4Life

    A relative works at one of the local power plants and has for 25 years. He is the most prepared person I know with a huge stockpile of weapons, ammo, and cases upon cases of food. He knows the vulnerabilities and weaknesses of the grid and what the odds are that it could be taken down by a cyber attack or EMP.

  • Washington
  • markthetruth

    Energy Independence Achievable: Continental Resources CEO

    “It comes from drilling wells,” Hamm said. “You have to go out there and poke holes in the ground. And basically the technology that we have today to go down two miles, turn right, and drill two miles farther and hit your target in there, we do that every day.”

    you got to be kidding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Why don’t we drill to the center of earth and suck it all out until it “implodes”

    Or cover the hole sky with solar panels then we can also cool the earth until we kill all trees and plants and freeze the earth until we see no green.

    Or put up millions and millions of windmills until we create so much wind shear that we totally screw up the weather and burn everything green.

    Ever realize that “Trees clean our air” we are building so much and destroying so many trees soon there will be no clean air

    Soon the hover dam will stop working because of the drought.

    Green energy will only end up killing all green life on the earth…..

    But we have these nut cases telling use to destroy our land .

    The only energy we need is getting back to the basics of what we need to live on this planet shelter,food,water,family and faith and health. All else is not a necessity it is only made a necessity out of greed.

    The end.

    • GaryToo

      i dont think you can lump fracking and horizontal drilling together with green energy. yes trees clean our air, remember acid rain killing forests in europe back in the 80′s. Thats the reason the euros took real steps to reduce emmissions. they drive cars on average 1/3 the size of americans. and go solar and wind in a real not token way.

      aside from trees which are being cleared, ocean and lake phytoplankton produces 50% of our oxygen, that si rapidly reducing production due to ocean acidity from co2.

      but dont worry you will never even cover your rooftops let alone the whole sky (come on now) with solar panels. What si being done is way too little way too late. You are right about the basics of energy, what we need, and greed.

    • Paul

      Trees are an interesting topic.

      The Amazon Rainforest sees much less tornados than the treeless fields of Kansas and Kentucky.

  • Prepping for the Future

    That is very interesting David can you please explain how to keep the aluminum and copper from touching? Wrap top and bottom of copper pipe with what electrical tape? So you are just setting this inside the can correct? Now this where you lose me (Attach wires from copper to can and continue that pattern ’til you have one wire sticking out from copper (+ terminal) and can (- terminal).) The copper should be one wire to each copper pipe then that is your postive and the alumuinum one wire attached to all cans become your negative? Do I have this right? Thanks

    • davidmpark

      Sorry, I was in a hurry last night. Yes, the electrical tape is used to keep them from touching anywhere they could and the copper pipe is placed into the can. Make a bigger hole if needed. And sorry I didn’t explain the wiring in detail: start with a wire attached to the first can and wire that to the copper of the next can – continue pattern ’til you get a wire coming out of the last can going into nothing; this is the negative terminal. Attach a wire to the first can’s copper; this is the positive terminal. If you connect only copper to copper and alum to alum then you get a higher amp rating, but much lower vdc.

      • Prepping for the Future

        Thank you David. Got it how long does it last.

  • James

    I have done some research into this subject and have found that really no one knows exactley what would be the outcome of an EMP attack on cars etc. I believe to try to envision a no electric enviornment is the best course of action. Wood stoves for heat,Propane stoves for cooking and canning,oil lamps and candles for light,well with manual pump for water. Sounds like the 1800′s doesn’t it?
    Anything that you want to possibly work in a post attack world must be stored in a faraday cage ie solar equipment,radios,batteries,chargers,etc. Don’t expect anything electrical to operate. If it does, well super!! But don’t count on it!!
    This is my ultimate nightmare scenario. If you want to read what it would be like read William Forstchen’s book ” One Second After” but have a supply of toilet paper handy to clean out your pants. God Bless, James

  • Vic

    I wonder if the media in the DC area is making fun of ‘preppers’ now….

  • http://endzone2.weebly.com Craig

    EMP scare = Y2K scare. Lighting is estimated to be around 100 million volts. Radio waves are a few microvolts to a few millivolts. Pulse from atomic bomb would be somewhere inbetween, but much closer to the radio wave amplitude.

  • http://www.magnifiedview.com Yoda

    Kudos for a fine feature article:

    The naive general public fails to realize that utility workers, cops and firefighters are individually effected by the emergencies resulting in under-staffed services.

    Be aware and be prepared!

    Right on Collapse – WRITE ON!

    Respectfully, Yoda@magnifiedview,com

  • NorthernCanuck

    Hey, guys, as a friendly Canadian observer I’m reminded of ‘George Washington’s Vision’. Look it up on the internet. It makes for extraordinary reading and, if it’s accurate, some nasty people ARE going to be visiting the US en masse in the future and invading from both east and west coasts.

    Y’all take care of yourselves down there. You’ve been good friends and neighbours to us and we appreciate you.

  • Karen

    I just retired from the government and I know I should not use there computer for personal use but many do but it was strange that they blocked a site I used the NSA watches all that is done on the computer I have been doing a lot of research on lqp 79 virus and the flesh eating disease I caught on to what the government is doing so they blocked the web I was at let’s you know they have something to hide and they disabled my PayPal account we are in the mist of a plegue and a man made one the Miami man was a test run there have been many cases of this but the media have kept it quite and so have the police years ago we used to show a film about recommbinite DNA how to destroy a race only using there DNA I was young than and did not understand many years have passed so you can figure what they can do now.

  • Roger Smith

    Things to consider about EMP:

    Boeing aircraft function on direct pilot control of hydraulic systems. These planes will experience significant navigation and comm losses but will probably survive. Airbus planes, (totally computer dependent) will fall out of the sky. Don’t be on one, (or beneath one) during EMP.

    500,000 Americans have pacemakers. These contain IC chips. Say goodbye to these people.

    If the entire time line of humanity on earth were represented by a run down a football field, the population stayed below 400 million for the entire length of the grid iron. Not until the 2 yard line did the population explode from .4 to 7 billion. To say we did fine without electricity for thousands of years and therefore will do fine without it now, simply doesn’t take this into consideration.

  • DavidH

    Wouldn’t any planes in the air immediately come down? Anyone in an opertating room or on life support my have issues depending on back up generators working properly. Anyone driving a vehicle or heavy equipment may lose their life or at least be involved in an accident. An initial blast could cause a very high loss of life. It’s a shame we all take our system for granted and don’t realize how close we live to the 1800′s. As soon as a black out happens crime will be rampent and death will ensue due to crime. Be prepared for the worse and hope that it is never needed.

  • http://yahoo.com richard swank

    A VERY POWERFUL E.M.P. WOULD PROBABLY MAKE EVERYONES MONEY DISAPPEAR. SEEING HOW EVERY TIME IS ON THE COMPUTER.

  • jon

    The nuclear reactors melting down is a real possibility after an EMP or CME event, but I wonder about two things:
    1)Do the powers that be keep that from happening so that they can use the “mark of the beast” system? and
    2)Do the powers that be intend to hide in their tax funded D.U.M.B.s (Deep Underground Military Bases) for a few decades until the radiation levels on the surface becomes tolerable. Maybe that is where the Morlocks come from in H.G Wells Time Machine story.

  • ChiefEOD

    Head over to http://www.onesecondafter.com/ and spend some time reading the various links.
    Electronics can be protected from EMP fairly easily & low tech but only on a limited scale by use of a Faraday Cage. Multiple layers of completely enclosing metal and insulation with each layer further attenuating the EM. To test whether what you have is adequate take two GRMS radios, turn both on with volume on high and place one of them in your Faraday Cage and key the other to see if the signal gets through. Aluminum foil and bubble wrap of any thickness works as well as just about anything, just make sure there are no breaks or gaps in either. Once you determine how many layers are needed to stop the signal add on three more (always over-engineer as if this does indeed occur someday, you will only have one shot at protecting needed electronics – no “do-overs” here folks); you will find this will end up being 7 or 8 layers. If you think a simple metal trash can, empty paint can or an old microwave will work, try the test, you will find out they don’t stop the signal, though they might work good as that final layer.

  • Evie

    They have little nuclear powered boxes, cost 0 to run. They will go to africa before the usa citizen. But of course we will pick up the tab as usual.

  • Charles Grey

    Our neighborhood didn’t lose power except for a short time this morning, but one of the supermarkets did for a few days.

  • Insane

    Michael,

    Thanks for all the effort you put into your articles. I read and enjoy everyone of them. Thanks again. Bill

  • Gay Veteran

    One thing to consider is that a lot of farms have their own water wells. But electric pumps bring the water to the surface!

    • Andrew

      Ah, but farms like mine also have generators with a couple of gas cans around.

      • Brock

        Yes you may have a generator, but anything electrical will be fried. Hope you have a hand pump.

        • Prairie Rose

          Brock,
          Two words…. “Wind” + “Mill”

          • Mr. Gritz

            Wind+Mill works fine… but only IF the wind is blowing.
            Best to have several redundant/alternative energy sources &/or methods of obtaining motive power.
            Not to mention, if someone could develop Nicola Tesla’s device for harnessing power out of the atmosphere, we’d have the potential of almost limitless, clean power. And I believe his device pre-dated the integrated circuits, solid state electronics, etc. that would be especially susceptible to an EMP.

        • tom

          basic electric generators will not be effected, only ANYTHING with a microchip. So every new car will be fried.. but the old beater with a distributor and a carb will start and run

  • http://americankleptocracy.com MattS

    There are two issues discussed here:

    1) The effects of an EMP. Yes an enemy might do it, but think of the possibility of a “friendly EMP” which would incapacitate the sheeple, but leave the power structure (Banks; Govt) barely inconvenienced. It also would hide a multitude of past crimes.

    2) The power grid is made up of two parts; the actual generators (which did not stop running), and the distribution system, which is largely above ground, and subject to weather effects.
    Did you ever notice that electric power is brought in over underground systems in upper-class areas? Unless an in-between above-ground line gets toppled, they continue to enjoy the grid.

  • The Claymobile

    Does anybody know if it is possable to build a small EMP generator so that I could disable the tailgator cars that I have to contend with on my commute to work every week???

    • Dafonz

      Yes. The plans are on the internet. They are hand-held cameras (batteries that power the flash last for long after the disposeable camera is thrown away). You can get these cameras for a song at Goodwill, Salvation Army, etc. The process involves replacing the flash part of the camera with a capacitor of some type.

  • yarply

    So what would happen to all the nuclear power plants and all the cooling pools which keep the fuel rods from melting down? Will or would all such plants be magically immune to emp’s or will we have mass multiple melt downs across the country?

  • yarply

    Teach me to read a few comments before posting.

  • luxeon Star
  • luxeon Star

    A few more:

    http://forums.armageddononline.org/threads/25155-Under-100-watt-Solar-Panels

    A good super capacitor flaslight should last a lifetime (the light emitting diodes may need to be replaced after 50,000 hours):

    http://forums.armageddononline.org/threads/32337-Build-your-own-supercapacitor-flashlight

  • ScoutMotto

    So i wonder what would happen if the EMP affects Canada and Mexico. Would they be drawn into the conflict as well?

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  • DJ

    Some things to consider for long-term survival:
    Prepare from the lowest level; to live as primitive cultures did and even some modern 3rd world cultures do, without ANY modern devices, and build from there. Visualize or, better, take what you believe your primary (basic) stuff will be to a remote area and try to survive for a week or even a weekend – don’t take your dried or freeze dried foods, try to live off the land. I guarantee it will be an eye-opener for you. Subsistence living, even among those who know how to do it, is tough, damn tough, even without other negative factors taking place. Make contacts with like-minded people before hand, communities can survive and even thrive in the most difficult of situations; “loners” who do survive, live like animals.
    The effects from an EMP, whether nuclear or solar, are largely theoretical and based on a few observations and laboratory simulations and will actually depend on the magnitude of the EMP. There is no real scientific consensus on what all will be affected or even the degree to which it will be affected. Electronics are the most susceptible to voltage and current excursions but “turn-to-turn” windings in motors, generators and transformers are quite susceptible, too. Since no one appears to know, prepare as if the worst will happen. Of course, if the nuclear plants go into melt-down as a result, then, perhaps, prepping is a moot point. But I believe we are still obligated to try to do what is best, as we know it.
    It seems that many of those few who are preparing are acting on the premise that there will be a temporary disruption to their lives and things will return to “normal” within a short time. If an EMP destroys motors/generators/transformers world-wide, it will be decades before even a rudimentary electrical system is established.
    I don’t think any of us can imagine how bad it “could” get and most of us pray or hope it will not get to that point. Undoubtedly, the best and first preparation one should make is to get right with the Lord. Changes which appear to be coming may or may not be the Biblical end times (no one but God knows that) but being right with Jesus Christ will be a source of comfort to you.

  • Gary2

    does anyone have any thoughts about installing a generator so when the power goes out it would stay on 100% at my home?

  • Roland von Malmborg

    PRESS YOUR PROTECTION AGENCIES TO REBUILD ATOMIC COOLING SYSTEMS
    Polar ice cores show that an electromagnetic storm, a “solar tsunami” of 1859 magnitude occurs around every 200 years. The only electric instalment in 1859 was the telegraph, hose stations caught fire, staff got electric shocks, and transmission wires melted.
    Japan had not safeguarded their atomic power for a §200-years-worst water tsunami. No atomic plants in the world are safeguarded for the 200-years-worst sun tsunami, which would burn all connected transformers in the world, and all micro-curcuits. Since emergency generators for cooling nuclear plants are guided by micro-circuts which will be blanked, all the worlds 400 reactors will core-melt, like in Fujkushima & Chernobyl, within a day. Also the cooling systems for the ten times more used fuel cores, in dams, are run by micro-curcuits, which will fail, adding 4000 more melted nuclear cores.
    Almost 5000 Chernobyl/Fukushima core melts in the same day, would cause a maybe fatal blow to the health and procreation of humanity.
    We must press our Environment & Nuclear monitoring organisations, civil defence, EPA etc to immediately make emergency nuclear cooling non-vulnerable to EMP/ Electro Magnetic Pulse.
    ROLAND von MALMBORG, Sweden July 2012.

  • BillybonesIII

    DJ, You said pray. Well if you pray to the same God I do, then you won’t need all this survival stuff. Trust Him to get you through the coming difficulties.
    By the way, pray you won’t have to go through what’s coming down the road.

    • DJ

      BillybonesIII, consider this……God provides the trees, plants and minerals of the earth and has given mankind the wisdom to make an axe but He requires each of us to chop and split the wood for a fire to keep us warm and to plant the seeds which feed us. If that were not so, we could each do nothing but go out and collect the “manna” each morning.
      However, each of us should do what God places in his or her heart to do.
      And pray that the “taking up” of believers will be pre-, rather than post-tribulation but when and how it will happen is up to God.

  • http://theangelofmercy.tumblr.com/ Angel of Mercy

    Just days before this storm hit, my copy of “One Second After” arrived in my mail box. A book I highly recommend. I don’t think most people can wrap their heads around beyond the looting. This book gives you a much better look at how we as a nation would be. How bad the conditions would be in nursing homes,and hospitals.Then those dieing off and going crazy as medication ran out. Then the waves of disease outbreaks. Martial law ,food rationing,starvation that we have only seen in 3rd world countries and from pictures of Jews from Nazi Germany. Cannibalism and war being fought against our own. It would truly be a battle for only the strong and prepared.

  • Anonymous

    “storms will rage and oceans roar
    when Gabriel stands on sea and shore
    and as he blows his wonderous horn
    old worlds will die and new are born”
    Mother Shipton

  • David
  • LordRhynn

    I have the solution ladies and gents.

    Feline DNA.

    Well. It worked out great in Dark Angel, anyway. That and a bicycle messenger gig.

    See? Turn that frown upside down. Just eat the elephant a bite at a time. First, get yourself a 10 speed. Then…

  • http://www.nopcradio.com Rambo Lybrand

    Grid Down Reality Bites is an overlooked book on EMP attack. I highly recommended I have also read ‘One Second After’, and while I definitely enjoyed it, this was the best. I can’t wait for Vol 2 to be released.

    http://www.amazon.com/Grid-Reality-Bites-Bruce-Hemming/dp/1460980387/ref=tmm_pap_title_0

  • Doug Danzeisen

    The only good thing would be that the mindless mermadons who can’t even cross a street without shooting a text would have to get a life.

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