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It Is Now Mathematically Impossible To Pay Off The U.S. National Debt

A lot of people are very upset about the rapidly increasing U.S. national debt these days and they are  demanding a solution. What they don't realize is that there simply is not a solution under the current U.S. financial system. It is now mathematically impossible for the U.S. government to pay off the U.S. national debt. You see, the truth is that the U.S. government now owes more dollars than actually exist. If the U.S. government went out today and took every single penny from every single American bank, business and taxpayer, they still would not be able to pay off the national debt. And if they did that, obviously American society would stop functioning because nobody would have any money to buy or sell anything.

And the U.S. government would still be massively in debt.

So why doesn't the U.S. government just fire up the printing presses and print a bunch of money to pay off the debt?

Well, for one very simple reason.

That is not the way our system works.

You see, for more dollars to enter the system, the U.S. government has to go into more debt.

The U.S. government does not issue U.S. currency - the Federal Reserve does.

The Federal Reserve is a private bank owned and operated for profit by a very powerful group of elite international bankers.

If you will pull a dollar bill out and take a look at it, you will notice that it says "Federal Reserve Note" at the top.

It belongs to the Federal Reserve.

The U.S. government cannot simply go out and create new money whenever it wants under our current system.

Instead, it must get it from the Federal Reserve.

So, when the U.S. government needs to borrow more money (which happens a lot these days) it goes over to the Federal Reserve and asks them for some more green pieces of paper called Federal Reserve Notes.   

The Federal Reserve swaps these green pieces of paper for pink pieces of paper called U.S. Treasury bonds. The Federal Reserve either sells these U.S. Treasury bonds or they keep the bonds for themselves (which happens a lot these days).

So that is how the U.S. government gets more green pieces of paper called "U.S. dollars" to put into circulation. But by doing so, they get themselves into even more debt which they will owe even more interest on.

So every time the U.S. government does this, the national debt gets even bigger and the interest on that debt gets even bigger.

Are you starting to get the picture?

As you read this, the U.S. national debt is approximately 12 trillion dollars, although it is going up so rapidly that it is really hard to pin down an exact figure.

So how much money actually exists in the United States today?

Well, there are several ways to measure this.

The "M0" money supply is the total of all physical bills and currency, plus the money on hand in bank vaults and all of the deposits those banks have at reserve banks.  As of mid-2009, the Federal Reserve said that this amount was about 908 billion dollars.

The "M1" money supply includes all of the currency in the "M0" money supply, along with all of the money held in checking accounts and other checkable accounts at banks, as well as all money contained in travelers' checks.  According to the Federal Reserve, this totaled approximately 1.7 trillion dollars in December 2009, but not all of this money actually "exists" as we will see in a moment.

The "M2" money supply includes everything in the "M1" money supply plus most other savings accounts, money market accounts, retail money market mutual funds, and small denomination time deposits (certificates of deposit of under $100,000).  According to the Federal Reserve, this totaled approximately 8.5 trillion dollars in December 2009, but once again, not all of this money actually "exists" as we will see in a moment.

The "M3" money supply includes everything in the "M2" money supply plus all other CDs (large time deposits and institutional money market mutual fund balances), deposits of eurodollars and repurchase agreements.  The Federal Reserve does not keep track of M3 anymore, but according to ShadowStats.com it is currently somewhere in the neighborhood of 14 trillion dollars.  But again, not all of this "money" actually "exists" either.

So why doesn't it exist?

It is because our financial system is based on something called fractional reserve banking.

When you go over to your local bank and deposit $100, they do not keep your $100 in the bank.  Instead, they keep only a small fraction of your money there at the bank and they lend out the rest to someone else.  Then, if that person deposits the money that was just borrowed at the same bank, that bank can loan out most of that money once again.  In this way, the amount of "money" quickly gets multiplied.  But in reality, only $100 actually exists.  The system works because we do not all run down to the bank and demand all of our money at the same time.

According to the New York Federal Reserve Bank, fractional reserve banking can be explained this way....

"If the reserve requirement is 10%, for example, a bank that receives a $100 deposit may lend out $90 of that deposit. If the borrower then writes a check to someone who deposits the $90, the bank receiving that deposit can lend out $81. As the process continues, the banking system can expand the initial deposit of $100 into a maximum of $1,000 of money ($100+$90+81+$72.90+...=$1,000)."

So much of the "money" out there today is basically made up out of thin air.

In fact, most banks have no reserve requirements at all on savings deposits, CDs and certain kinds of money market accounts.  Primarily, reserve requirements apply only to "transactions deposits" – essentially checking accounts.

The truth is that banks are freer today to dramatically "multiply" the amounts deposited with them than ever before.  But all of this "multiplied" money is only on paper - it doesn't actually exist.

The point is that the broadest measures of the money supply (M2 and M3) vastly overstate how much "real money" actually exists in the system. 

So if the U.S. government went out today and demanded every single dollar from all banks, businesses and individuals in the United States it would not be able to collect 14 trillion dollars (M3) or even 8.5 trillion dollars (M2) because those amounts are based on fractional reserve banking.

So the bottom line is this....

#1) If all money owned by all American banks, businesses and individuals was gathered up today and sent to the U.S. government, there would not be enough to pay off the U.S. national debt.

#2) The only way to create more money is to go into even more debt which makes the problem even worse.

You see, this is what the whole Federal Reserve System was designed to do.  It was designed to slowly drain the massive wealth of the American people and transfer it to the elite international bankers.

It is a game that is designed so that the U.S. government cannot win.  As soon as they create more money by borrowing it, the U.S. government owes more than what was created because of interest.

If you owe more money than ever was created you can never pay it back.

That means perpetual debt for as long as the system exists.

It is a system designed to force the U.S. government into ever-increasing amounts of debt because there is no escape.

We could solve this problem by shutting down the Federal Reserve and restoring the power to issue U.S. currency to the U.S. Congress (which is what the U.S. Constitution calls for).  But the politicians in Washington D.C. are not about to do that.

So unless you are willing to fundamentally change the current system, you might as well quit complaining about the U.S. national debt because it is now mathematically impossible to pay it off.

***UPDATE***

It has been suggested that the same dollar can be used to pay off debt over and over - this is theoretically true as long as the dollar remains in the system.

For example, if the U.S. government gives China a dollar to pay off a debt, there is a good chance that the U.S. government will be able to acquire that dollar again and use it to pay off another debt.

However, this is not true when debt is retired with the Federal Reserve.  In that case, money is actually removed from the system.  In fact, because of the "money multiplier", when debt is retired with the Federal Reserve it can remove ten times that amount of money (and actually more, but let's not get too technical) from the system.

You see, fractional reserve banking works both ways.  When $100 is introduced into the system, it can theoretically create $1000 as the example in the article above demonstrates.  However, when that $100 is removed, it can have the opposite impact.

And considering the fact that the Federal Reserve "purchased" the vast majority of new U.S. government debt last year, we have got a real mess on our hands.

Even if a way could be figured out how to pay off all the debt we owe to foreign nations (such as China, Japan, etc.) it would still be mathematically impossible to pay off the debt that we owe to the Federal Reserve which is exploding so fast that it is hard to even keep track of.

Of course we could repudiate that debt and shut down the Federal Reserve, but very few in Washington D.C. have any interest in doing that.

It has also been suggested that instead of just using dollars to pay off the U.S. national debt, we could use the assets of the U.S. government to pay it off.

That is rather extreme, but let us consider that for a moment.

That total value of all physical assets in the United States, both publicly and privately owned, is somewhere in the neighborhood of 45 to 50 trillion dollars.  Of course the idea of the U.S. government "owning" every single asset of the American people is repugnant to our entire way of life, but let's assume that for a moment.

According to the 2008 Financial Report of the United States Government, which is an official United States government report, the total liabilities of the United States government, including future social security and medicare payments that the U.S. government is already committed to pay out, now exceed 65 TRILLION dollars.  This amount is more than the entire GDP of the whole world.

In fact, there are other authors who have written that the actual figure for the future liabilities of the U.S. government should be much higher, but let's be conservative and go with 65 trillion for now.

So, if the U.S. government took control of all physical assets in the United States and sold them off, it could not even make enough money to pay for everything that the U.S. government is already on the hook for.

Ouch.

If you have not read the 2008 Financial Report of the United States Government, you really should.  Actually the 2009 report should be available very soon if it isn't already.  If anyone knows if it is available, please let us know. 

The truth is that the U.S. government is in much bigger financial trouble than we have been led to believe. 

For example, according to the report (which remember is an official U.S. government report) the real U.S. budget deficit for 2008 was not 455 billion dollars.  It was actually 5.1 trillion dollars.

So why the difference?

The CBO's 455 billion figure is based on cash accounting, while the 5.1 trillion figure in the 2008 Financial Report of the United States Government is based on GAAP accounting. GAAP accounting is what is used by all the major firms on Wall Street and it is regarded as a much more accurate reflection of financial reality.

So needless to say, the United States is in a financial mess of unprecedented magnitude.

So what should we do?  Does anyone have any suggestions?

***UPDATE 2***

We have received a lot of great comments on this article.  Trying to understand the U.S. financial system (even after studying it for years) can be very difficult at times.  In fact, it can almost seem like playing 3 dimensional chess.

Several readers have correctly pointed out that when the U.S. money supply is expanded by the Federal Reserve, the interest that is to be paid on that new debt is not created. 

So where does the money to pay that interest come from?  Well, eventually the money supply has to be expanded some more.  But that creates even more debt.

That brings us to the next point.

Several readers have insisted that the Federal Reserve is not privately owned and that since it returns "most" of the profits it makes to the U.S. government that we should not be concerned about the debt owed to it.

The truth is that what you have with the Federal Reserve is layers of ownership.  The following was originally posted on the Federal Reserve's website....

"The twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks, which were established by Congress as the operating arms of the nation’s central banking system, are organized much like private corporations – possibly leading to some confusion about "ownership." For example, the Reserve Banks issue shares of stock to member banks. However, owning Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System. The stock may not be sold, traded, or pledged as security for a loan; dividends are, by law, 6 percent per year."

So Federal Reserve "stock" is owned by member banks.  So who owns the member banks?  Well, when you sift through additional layers of ownership, you will ultimately find that people like the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers and the Queen of England have very large ownership interests in the big banks.  But there are so many layers of ownership that they are able to disguise themselves well. 

You see, these people are not stupid.  They did not become the richest people in the world by being morons.  It was the banking elite of the world who designed the Federal Reserve and it is the banking elite of the world who benefit the most from the Federal Reserve today.  In the article above when we described the Federal Reserve as "a private bank owned and operated for profit by a very powerful group of elite international bankers" we may have been oversimplifying things a bit, but it is the essence of what is going on.

In an excellent article that she did on the Federal Reserve, Ellen Brown described a number of the ways that the Federal Reserve makes money for those who own it....

The interest on bonds acquired with its newly-issued Federal Reserve Notes pays the Fed’s operating expenses plus a guaranteed 6% return to its banker shareholders. A mere 6% a year may not be considered a profit in the world of Wall Street high finance, but most businesses that manage to cover all their expenses and give their shareholders a guaranteed 6% return are considered "for profit" corporations.

In addition to this guaranteed 6%, the banks will now be getting interest from the taxpayers on their "reserves." The basic reserve requirement set by the Federal Reserve is 10%. The website of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York explains that as money is redeposited and relent throughout the banking system, this 10% held in "reserve" can be fanned into ten times that sum in loans; that is, $10,000 in reserves becomes $100,000 in loans. Federal Reserve Statistical Release H.8 puts the total "loans and leases in bank credit" as of September 24, 2008 at $7,049 billion. Ten percent of that is $700 billion. That means we the taxpayers will be paying interest to the banks on at least $700 billion annually – this so that the banks can retain the reserves to accumulate interest on ten times that sum in loans.

The banks earn these returns from the taxpayers for the privilege of having the banks’ interests protected by an all-powerful independent private central bank, even when those interests may be opposed to the taxpayers’ -- for example, when the banks use their special status as private money creators to fund speculative derivative schemes that threaten to collapse the U.S. economy. Among other special benefits, banks and other financial institutions (but not other corporations) can borrow at the low Fed funds rate of about 2%. They can then turn around and put this money into 30-year Treasury bonds at 4.5%, earning an immediate 2.5% from the taxpayers, just by virtue of their position as favored banks. A long list of banks (but not other corporations) is also now protected from the short selling that can crash the price of other stocks.

The reality is that there are a lot of ways that the Federal Reserve is a money-making tool.  Yes, they do return "some" of their profits to the U.S. government each year.  But the Federal Reserve is NOT a government agency and it DOES make profits. 

So just how much money is made over there?  The truth is that we have to rely on what the Federal Reserve tells us, because they have never been subjected to a comprehensive audit by the U.S. government.

Ever.

Right now there is legislation going through Congress that would change that, and the Federal Reserve is fighting it tooth and nail.  They are warning that such an audit could cause a financial disaster.

What are they so afraid of?

Are they afraid that we might get to peek inside and see what they have been up to all these years?

If you are a history buff, then you probably know that debates about a "central bank" go all the way back to the Founding Fathers.

The European banking elite have always been determined to control our currency, and that is exactly what is happening today.

Ever since the Federal Reserve was created, there have been members of the U.S. Congress that have been trying to warn the American people about the insidious nature of this institution. 

Just check out what the Honorable Louis McFadden, Chairman of the House Banking and Currency Committee had to say all the way back in the 1930s....

"Some people think that the Federal Reserve Banks are United States Government institutions. They are private monopolies which prey upon the people of these United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers; foreign and domestic speculators and swindlers; and rich and predatory money lenders."

The Federal Reserve is not the solution and it never has been.

The Federal Reserve is the problem.

Any thoughts?

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  • http://australiadebt.org AustraliaDebt.org

    Hey. You may not be aware of this, but Australia is virtualiy on the cusp of a massive debt fueled property crash! The stats are as follows: 1200 Billion AUD$ of private debt mostly in mortgages and 158 billion AUD$ gov debt, all this for only a small population of 22 million people.

  • cassiusking

    coins are not issued by the Fed – they are issued by the Gubmint – Dept of Treasury.

  • http://s1.zetaboards.com/Imperial_Politics/index/ Sir Vincent

    >>>Very interesting article! I’d love to read more about it and everything you wrote is true.

    Why would we need money on this planet anyway?
    We all should work for the benefit of the whole planet!

    I will never understand that someone born on a planet has to EARN & PAY money to live on it. “Idiocracy” if You ask me

    It’s not like you have a choice to go somewhere where money does not exsist.

    It’s sad people, we have to wake up and start living completley different.

    All people have the right to be happy all of their lives!<<<>>>What happens if the debt keeps increasing and eventually just goes so far out that whatever is done, it just cannot be repayed? So what happens to the US, the US government and the American folks?<<<<

    Ever heard of a serfdom? We're already there.

    It doesn't really matter what we do if we cannot protect our freedoms as human beings. People need to be SELF-educated and vigilant in spirit, as our forefathers had insisted. Then, once every state fails or secedes, we can hit the restart button.

    But unless that happens, we're doomed to repeat the past. We'll become nothing more than a serfdom.

  • BK

    How about US taxpayers sale good part of US real estate. Let if China asks US to let 10 millions Chines to immigrate in USA in return of some write off? Or some other option. US bought Alaska from Russia, why does US can not sale Alaska to China for few trillions?
    May be China can ask for more influence in US politics or let them buy businesses which employ enough Americans to have political clouts! Which may result into changes in law in Chines favor! Think, why does Israel get so many special goodies from US taxpayers?

  • Tbonz

    Why not simply tax the profits of the Federal Reserve, oh, to the tune of 100%. I am sure that there are reasons that this won’t work as I am not as educated as most of the commentators on here, but it is just a thought.

  • William

    Join those who are enlightening their friends and neighbors about the fact that the politicians take an oath to uphold the Constitution but ignore it. There is no authorization among the powers enumerated by the Founders in ARticle 1 Section 8 for the creation of a central bank, e.g. Federal REserve SYstem.

    http://www.campaignforliberty.com 231115 and growing
    http://www.YALiberty.org on over 170 campuses so far

    we intend to replace politicians with those who will keep the oath, abolish the Fed, restore the gold standard to prevent the govt from inflating the currency ever again, repeal Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security which are taking America to insolvency and backruptcy.

  • http://www.beggarz.wordpress.com Adam Cassidy

    Dead on and concise analysis of the bloated demon sucking upon the flesh of each and every person in the world that is ‘The Fed’.

    These people are building the Apocalypse – it is slavery by other means, and worst of all, it is NOT WORKING.

    Nice try, clowns – but you’re about to crash and burn, and take humanity with you in your vanity and avarice.

  • Dave

    Looking at a point in time of US Dollars in physical existence + having to pay off all debt at once is a fallacious way of looking at this issue. Not to say that there isn’t a serious issue at hand–because there is.

    First of all, eliminating all US debt should not be the goal. US debt (in the form of US Govt bonds) is an important investment vehicle to individuals and other governments and serves many other purposes that I won’t go into here.

    The goal should be: to contain debt by covering the interest on debt plus managing the principle to a minor fraction of GDP.

    One method for doing this is the following: The government were to cut expenditures such that they ran a surplus of total interest + $x and then applied that surplus to the interest and $x of principle each year… eventually we would hit the % of GDP target and be done.

    BTW- all the money the government collects and then redistributes through medicare/medicaid/social security, etc. is NOT retired and therefore can be repaid to the government in a future period in the form of taxes. Only the interest and principle owed to the Fed is retired.

    Make sense?

  • Eric

    After reading this article (or whatever it technically is) I realized how little I knew, and how little the the public knows, about the banking and debt issue we’re currently in. And in my current state of new enlightenment, I’ve realized something.

    From everything said in the article, and along with most everything that people said in the comments, I’ve realized one thing: all humans are capitalists at heart. We’re all competitors. Humans have a base instinctive need to compete with and surpass one another, create hierarchies to cement their positions above the weak, and ensure that no one can usurp their power.

    This observation doesn’t directly relate to the money issue primarily, but if you break it down enough, this is what it is. Though probably complex and difficult, I do not doubt that there are ways to solve the current debt issue. However, the problem is, the people in charge (the wealthy and the politicians) don’t want to solve it. Because if we keep to this system, everything will eventually collapse, and they’ll hold all the power. The same goes for most banking systems in the world. It was flawed to begin with, but it was built to be that way.

    Again, maybe I’m breaking this down too much, but I just see the whole thing as another way for people to obtain power and “rise” above the weak. It’s a basic human need to compete. And so far, money and finance is the most effective and deceptive means of accomplishing this.

  • TedL

    As long as our overall economic output (GDP) is strong, we’ll have a – at the very least – a satisfactory economic outlook. If our capacity to repay the debt– even if we don’t actually repay it — ever drops significantly, then we’re in trouble.

    In other words, there are no indications that the doomsday scenario some of you have in your head will ever play out.

  • http://sirjorge.com/blogx sir jorge

    we had a good run

  • backhoebob

    The fact that the constitution states that only congress can print $ makes the fed and its charter a fraud. Meaning that the US Gov can legally walk away from any of the fraudulent dealings that have transpired.

  • http://www.ivamu.com/ Kenneth Lowndes

    Someone asked if this is all a joke.

    Nope.

    It is all for real.

    The IVAMU can easily replace the doom and gloom of the Illegal Private Monoply on the production of money for use by the USA.

    It is our time to repudiate this phony monopoly money system.

    It is all a major con job, but the IVAMU? It is for real.

    http://www.ivamu.com/

  • http://Theeconomiccollapse Dang

    Actually you are wrong, you could pay off the debt to the zero amount. And it would only cost just 2 trillion to do so. And it is legal way to do it. An wouldn take along time to do. Talking here matter of days. Iam talking here for the u.s. gov to actually come up with 20 trillion dollars to pay the deby off. Yes the gov could have 200 trillion dollars but still couldnt actually pay the national debt off. Only because some off the the people holding the debt wouldnt want to sell it. This would actually take along time to do. Any way here is the so simple answer for the u.s. gov to come up with 20 trillion dollars to pay the debt off. All it needs is 2 trillion dollars. It could print this, make a loan from the social secerty bank. Or even put some gov items for collateral. Some air craft carriers, spaceshuttle, the gold in fortknox, anyway we will say the get 2 trillion dollars in there hands from all this through bank loans an the deal is almost done now. Once this money is in the gov hands. All that is needed now is to but this money into reserve banks. Then legally the banks now can loan out $20 trillion dollars. This is called fractional reserve banking. for every 1 dollar the bank has in it it can loan out 10. An now the banks federal resreve banks can now pay off the national debt 15 trillion dollars an still have money left over. An also with all this money injected into the world the economy would take off to the moon.

  • http://debtconsolidator1.com Marc The Debt Elimination Guy

    I think we reached the point of not being able to pay our debt back a while ago. It does not matter the FEd has a solution, monetize the debt and print money to buy it. That doesn’t work either.

  • http://debtadviceexperts.net John

    People look at the debt and don’t consider the total unfunded obligations which have been estimated to be 75 to 100 trillion or more. There is no way we can grow our economy to pay those debts and sooner or later the day of reckoning is approaching.

  • Rene

    This goes to something I’ve been wondering about: It is not just the government that prints money. Every time a credit card gets issued we are adding to the money supply. And this goes on without the government regulating how much credit the credit card companies issue. Consumers spend “dollars” but they were not issued by the government or the Federal Reserve, credit card companies issued them, or banks.

  • skinnykid

    The Federal Reserve runs the country, not our government.

  • Jet Graphics

    Dollar bills are not dollars.
    Not only that, but they’re variables – not constants.
    All measurements in “dollar bills” are suspect.
    Dollar bills are NOT money, by law.
    The Federal Reserve has not lent any money to Congress – merely extended credit – at usury.
    The almost 14 trillion DOLLAR public debt is IMPOSSIBLE to repay, by law.
    It would require 700 billion ounces of gold, stamped into coin.
    World wide supply is estimated at 5.5 billion ounces.
    At current mining rates, assuming that the gold existed, it would take 87,000 years to mine enough to pay off the debt only if it was frozen right now.
    WE BE DOOMED.

  • muedog7

    i want to present an idea what would happen if every American citizen 18 and over were to save up ten thousand federal notes and pay it to the government as a kind of tax??? wouldn’t that decrease the national debt by 25% and what if we continued to do that

    or what if 90% of American citizens got out of personal debt and stopped using their credit cards to fuel their destructive habits??? wouldn’t more money be available to pay the federal reserve back their notes and then we could just get rid of them???

    or even still if the majority of American citizens started investing their money into shares of the federal reserve to earn profits from it which would then be taxed and would pay the debt off faster???

    these are just thoughts no idea if any would work but i do think that there is a solution out there somewhere to getting our country out of debt we just haven’t found it yet…

  • Richard

    Dear all,

    I still don’t get what will happen to population of USA if the natioanl debt will increas to the level, on which nobody would lend money to US. Does it mean that USA must rely on its own produced goods then (like USSR back then)? And will it lead to hunger or poverty ?

  • Paul

    Great Comments from Everyone. The Federal Reserve is a private Corporation….and pays no tax on their profits….think about it. Why not tax the profits made by the Federal Reserve?

    • Eric

      The Fed returns its profits to Treasury, which means all their profit is taxed, after a fashion.

      • Michael

        You are an idiot. They only relinquish what THEY say their profit was. In 2008 THEY said it was only $22 Billion. LMBO, that would be less than .02 of a PERCENT. WAKE THE HELL UP!!!

        • joe

          I’m with you 100%

        • Tim

          Speaking of idiots, can you think of any reason bank income would be down in 2008? Any reason at all? Talk about 15 second attention spans…..

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  • http://www.missiontoisrael.org Ted R. Weiland

    “Nowhere does Yahweh’s law provide for government borrowing, and it limits private debts to seven years (Deuteronomy 15:1-11), resulting in the following blessings:

    ‘At the end of every seven years thou shalt make a release. …Every creditor that lendeth ought unto his neighbour shall release it…. Only if thou carefully hearken unto the voice of YHWH thy God, to observe to do all these commandments which I command this day. For YHWH thy God blesseth thee, as he promised thee: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, but thou shalt not borrow; and thou shalt reign over many nations, but they shall not reign over thee.’ (Deuteronomy 15:1-6)

    “In ‘The Nature of the American System,’ R.J. Rushdoony described the illusion of a balanced budget under the United States Constitutional government:

    ‘…although politicians may promise a balanced budget, they are more likely to gain the power they desire by increasing debt, for in a debt-free country, the citizenry is strong and the civil government is limited. In a debt-ridden country, taxes increase, liberties decrease, and the civil government, increasingly less responsive to the will of the citizenry, increases its own power over the people even as it vastly enlarges the power of the invisible government over all.’”

    For more, see Article 1: Legislative Usurpation

  • Rick

    The article gave the solution at least twice — abolish the Federal Reserve and restore the ability to print money to Congress, per the Constitution. In the same sentences they also gave the reason why this is not happening — Congress is unwilling to do so. Yes, a few presidents who tried to restore the ability to create money to the government all wound up dead. However, it is a lot easier for the bankers to kill off one president than 535 Congressmen. So the real solution to the national debt is to replace 535 unwilling incumbent Congressmen with 535 who will follow the Constitution and abolish the Federal Reserve. The best way of doing this is to nominate Constitutional citizen candidates who will challenge the career politician incumbents in the primaries. An organization exists to do exactly this — visit http://goooh.com and sign up to become part of the solution.

    • Michael

      I agree Rick, but if we took back control THEN printed money to pay off our debt, we would be on the hook for the entire amount owed even the amount owed to and due to corrupt businesses and dealings. On the other hand, if you print lots of money then pay off the amount , the FED and all of their minions will fight tooth and nail for their money that will be owed in interest. This has WAR written all over it!!!

  • kenneth

    Maybe I am not intelligent enough to understand all that the author described in his article. I can, however, do simple arithmetic and, if we owe (i.e., the National Debt) $15 Trillion, and there are 309 Million of us, that comes to $48,543.69 each. So, theoretically, Congress could assess a special, one-time tax of that amount on every single one of us, and, voila, the problem is solved. Of course, most of us would not be able to come up with $48K and I do not know how to get blood from a turnip. I will work on that problem next week. Ironically, one way to “help” would be to ENCOURAGE illegal immigration, since the more people, the less each of us would “owe”. So, open up the borders and “y’all come”.

    • Mr. Universe

      Offset the amount of $48,543.69 based upon total household income, so say some one who makes millions a year make them pay….we’ll say $100,000 and some one who makes $10,000 a year make them pay $100, the idea you have is an excellent idea, we just need everyone to agree to it and if history is any judge, I have my doubts that the totality of the american population (i.e. Every man, woman, child, imigrant, politician, actor(ess), etc.) will agree on this.

      But if we few here can come up with a plan here in this article, and devise a way to get people to hand over money from their pockets to pay off our national debt then it is our duty to help our nation.

      Sincerely

      Mr. Universe

      I am watching…

  • Anna

    Who owns controlling interest in the Federal Reserve?

    1. Rothschild Banks of London and Berlin
    2. Lazard Brothers Bank of Paris
    3. Israel Moses Sieff Banks of Italy
    4. Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam
    5. Lehman Brothers Bank of New York
    6. Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York
    7. Chase Manhattan Bank of New York
    8. Goldman Sachs Bank of New York.

    • Steve614

      Sounds like a lot of Jewish names on your list. I’m sure that’s a coincidence, of course.

    • Dave B.

      Does it matter who they are? The point is that the institution as a whole must be abolished.

      Lay off the David Duke and you’ll be just fine…

    • WILLARD

      The Rothschilds were the ones who financed the First World War, so devastating in death and destruction but ever so profitable to the winners, Britain and France. Their being blamed by the Germans for the loss of the war and ensuing economic disaster was completely justified. They played a major role in the criminal reparations forced upon Germany, providing a major issue for the rise of the Nazis. We have our own version of this crime family-the federal reserve. It outlived its usefulness long ago and needs to be put out of our misery!

    • Mr. Universe

      My main question is why do foriegn banks have any hand in this at all? We not the colonies anymore yet we are still holding englands hand like a grown man with wife and three kids holding his mothers hand and never going anywhere without his mommy….

      Excuse my phrasing of this it was the only way i could think to express my point, i do not mean to offend anyone and if i have done so i sincerely appologize.

      • OldPhart OutIn TheDesert

        I only noticed this article, Mr. Universe, but let me attempt to explain how foreign banks are involved.

        (I would strongly recommend reading ‘The Creature from Jekyl Island’ by G. Edward Griffin. It’s eye-opening!) I’m going to give the really simple, low class explanation (not due to you, but due to me…I’ve read a lot of this history and I get some confused). Bear with me.

        The Fed was established, from inception in 1913, with foreign bank involvement. That carried through until we got the Bretton Woods agreement that established the US dollar as the world reserve currency based on our remarkable hoard of gold reserves. Over time, under Bretton Woods, various nations deposited their gold with us in exchange for dollars to use in trading. The Bank of England was one that had significant reserves of gold and they became a powerful trading and military ally.

        In 1971 Nixon took us off the gold standard and we went on a ‘faith based monetary system’…in my opinion it was misplaced faith. When we did that, we basically ‘stole’ the entire worlds gold that we had in our possession at that point.

        Ownership of stock in the FED is pretty much like any other ownership, if you meet the qualifying conditions. You may purchase stock in a foreign company just as any other person or organization can purchase american stock. The FED’s ownership restrictions make sure that the only ones that can own are the highest of the elite or the highest national banking system for the various companies.

        To my impression, to qualify to own FED stock you would need the assets of an entire planet to be considered.

  • Steve614

    Seems to me if we abolish Social Security and Medicare the government would be obligated to repay me and millions of other people the money we have all paid into those systems, right? I wonder what that would cost…

  • Sean Damron

    This article is a mix of fact, fiction, and conspiracy theory. Yes, the national debt is tremendous and it is impossible to pay it off in the short-term, as that would require the government to borrow money, leading to inflation. In almost every case, government borrowing is bad. It leads to inflation and growing debt makes debt maintenance a larger and larger part of the budget. The rest of the article is a bit wacky. It says that the Federal Reserve Bank is owned and operated by elite international bankers for profit. The Fed is owned by its member banks and they enjoy a 6% return on their stock, which can’t be sold or traded or used as security for borrowing. In return, the member banks must keep a mandated fraction of their deposits with the Fed. Yes, these banks might include foreign ownership, but they don’t really exercise any power. The article equates increases in the money supply due to government borrowing (which is bad) with increases in the money supply due to economic growth (which is good). We certainly would be in bad shape if we were operating with the same money supply we did a century ago. The insanity of the article can be summarized in this passage, “You see, this is what the whole Federal Reserve System was designed to do. It was designed to slowly drain the massive wealth of the American people and transfer it to the elite international bankers.” The Fed has fueled economic growth in this country. Blaming the Fed for government spending is silly. Government borrowing transfers wealth to foreign entities, not the Fed.

    • janus

      Although you’d posted this comment months ago, i still thought it necessary to respond to its misinformation. One statement made by you, in particular, which stood out to me is where you state “The Fed has fueled economic growth in this country”. What’s your meaning of the term growth relative to monetary policy. In respects to the Fed, it is literally impossible to produce growth from debt – which you should know are Federal Reserve notes. If anything, all that it has actually produced is the illusion of growth:Inflation.

      However, if I’m wrong in any of this, please do contend with a better argument.That is, if I AM in fact wrong about this.

      • Me

        Indeed you are wrong.

        Debt can be bad and hinder growth but there are instances when lending can be good for growth.

        Consider an entreprenuer that wants to build a factory that will take raw materials and add value to them transforming them into cheaper and better quality products for building stronger warmer drier homes resulting in health benefits.

        The entreprenuer does not have the funds to proceed with the factory and so he borrows the money from the bank who has “created” the money through debt.

        It is quite possible that the debt be paid off over five years and the value added to the economy through increasing resources, making materials cheaper, promoting healthier homes is greater than the amount that was borrowed.

        The borrowing can stimiluate growth – not just by increasing the amount of money in circulation but by allowing investment of tomorrows funds today in a way that improves the value of both tomorrow and today.

        Such borrowing can also go bad. Lending on trends and overstimating the worth of an asset that one is lending against whether that be a tangible asset like a house or a promise of repayment. When the debt goes bad it can put everyone in a worse position today and tomorrow.

        Responsible lending promotes growth and is driven by a desire for mutual ong term benefit in which risks are carefully calculated and mitigated.

        Irresponsible lending promotes recession and is driven by short term selfish gain on both the part of the lender and the part of the borrower and a higher interest rate is the only mitigating factor of any perceived risk.

        • Luke

          Have you tried to borrow any money lately? Banks are not lending money. Why is that? I will just bet it is because the Fed has driven down interest rates and the banks are waiting for them to go back up. How is that for growth? I am on a fixed income. I can not get squat in interest on a CD. In the meant time the Fed prints, driving down the value of the dollar. That does not help a person who is on a fixed income. All of this caused by the Fed. I could rant on but I think you get my point.

    • Michael

      Dumbs^&%,
      Do you realize that the reason we have such an increase in the U.S. Money Supply, other than to compensate for increase of population, is DUE TO INFLATION that is NECESSARY only because of the INFLATION of the money supply???????? Read up and study your history or you are doomed to repeat it!
      Your friend,
      End the FED

  • http://jussmartenuf.blogspot.com/ Jussmartenuf

    The Bureau of Engraving prints the money, not the Federal Reserve. The Fed is owned by private banks, here is a link to that fact. http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/federal-reserve-bank-ownership/

  • Paul

    Half the debt is owed to ourselves so let’s not worry about that part. Plus if you got the debt back down to half of GDP, no-one would be concerned. Easy to do if you really wanted to. Cut Govt spending across the board by 8% a year. Every program treated the same so there are no arguments (including Congressional salaries and benefits).
    In 5 to 6 years you would have a balanced budget at which point you do not have to cut anymore, you just freeze it. At the same time a sales tax is introduced at 2% on every single transaction in the country. No exceptions. If it’s part of GDP, it counts.
    All proceeds go to pay down the debt.In less than a generation you would pay off half the debt or 7.5 trillion dollars. Sales tax is retired at that point.

    • Dave49

      Problem. Once you have a tax, you never get rid of it.

    • Luke

      Half the debt is owed to ourselves so let’s not worry about that part.
      What about the people who have purchased those “T” Bills and government bonds. I guess we just forget about them also.
      And sure we can give the blood sucking leeches a 2% tax increase so they can pay down the debt and then we can do it all over again just as soon as they spend us white eyed again.
      Cut government spending 8% a year across the board. Good luck on that one.
      Bottom line fiat money will not survive. As a matter of fact no fiat money has ever survived in the history of the world.
      Why will it not survive? Politicians have to please the masses with money or they will be looking for a new job in short order. Now if they raise taxes in order to do that then again they will be looking for a new job. So what do they do? They just print and print and that is why fiat money will do a swan dive sooner or later.

  • notcrazy

    ya’ll crazy.

  • Dave49

    Spending will not be cut, as politicians see this as cutting their own political throats. In my view, the system will just have to collapse. If only they weren’t so corrupt, and let the failures fail so that successful businesses could take them over and get rid of the corrupt ones, we would not be in this mess. But the corrupt ones buy the Presidency for the successful candidate. There is no solution to corruption. And no where to find an honest candidate, given our system.

  • virgo1982

    I don’t get why the US Government can’t collect $20 from the 150,000,000 people that file taxes. That would be $3,000,000,000. I’m thinking that could take a nice chunk out of the National Debt. Who’s really going to miss $20.

    • http://na Peter

      $3,000,000,000??? Wow, 3 whole billions. That is one quarter of one tenth of one percent or .025%. Barely a scratch. If we did that every year for 4000 years that would just do it, assuming no new debt… great plan.

      • Luke

        Can you believe these people? No wonder we are bound for destruction. LOL

  • ustudy

    Actually there were four presidents. Ronald Reagan attempted to establish the Gold Commission, for that, he was shot. He didn’t support the Gold Commission again.

    The Central Bank will not go quietly. The massive amount of damage and ruination these bankers can inflict is beyond belief, but it has to be done. The money supply cannot be increased further without collapsing the dollar. Not to worry, the Bankers are ready to roll out the world currency. If we think we have problems now…

  • JimpalaSS

    There aren’t 150 million people in the US that pay taxes. You think they will pay 20$. Remember, 10% of the people pay 90% of the taxes.

  • Marty

    Mathematically impossible?

    Something is wrong with that. Hey man, the household debt today is within a trillion dollars or so of the national debt; I’d say that every one of whom financed that debt expects to be paid back.

    So why should I who still hold some of the national debt in US Savings Bonds not expect to be paid back?

    Mathematically impossible is an absurb position to take.

    • Luke

      Then lets all just wait and see if this debt is ever paid off. I giving 1000/1 odds that there is no chance of that ever happening. Check this little problem out. World wide there are 700 trillion in derivatives. That is $100,000 for every single person on the earth. You know the unregulated derivatives. Let that one come crashing down and see where we end up. I’m giving 1,000,000,000/1 odds that we can not bail that one out.

      • american

        when i die my debt simmply is written off and nobody really has anything to say about.let the company called usa die.we can then start a new company.

  • http://non-existent Robert Brossard

    I ONLY READ THE FIRST FEW PAGES BEFORE THIS ARTICLE BEGAN TO LOOK A PROPAGANDA PIECE FROM PEOPLE OPPOSED TO DEBT. USUALLY DEBT IS SEEN IN A RELATION OF TIME TO INCOME IN ORDER TO BE UNDERSTOOD RATIONALLY. I MIGHT BUY A $1000,000.00 HOUSE ON AN INCOME OF ONLY $10,00.00 A YEAR. BUT THE IDEA IS THAT GIVEN TIME I WILL BE ABLE TO REPAY THE DEBT. DEBT MUST BE SEEN OVER TIME, NOT AS A RATIO OF MY CURRENT DEFICIT SEEN IN THE CONTEXT OF MY CURRENT NET WORTH.
    ROBERT BROSSARD

    • david

      It’s important to read the whole message :) What he says is that debt cannot just be printed away in our system, because the act of doing so creates more debt with interest. also that due to fractional reserve banking every amount paid back means times 10 taken out of the economy. Okay I like your spirit, just be sure to read the whole thing :)

    • Brian

      True, I also have a home that represents a much larger amount than my annual income. Of course, I’m not spending 40% more than I make every year either. I also don’t have any unfunded future obligations that will add to my annual outlay and increase my borrowing needs. See the whole board.

  • Lucas marrone

    America is absolutely f****d, I’m so glad my government (British) cut spending straight away the only problem is that when America goes bust the whole global economy will come to a stand still and this is not right. American people need to rise up against their totally incompetent politicians, I still can’t believe no prosecutions have been bought against the people who stated the2008 downturn. And still the yanks haven’t apologised to the world for that. What we will see over the coming years is america losing it’s AAA rating and pushing debt higher we will see America losing it’s position as biggest economy on earth and we will witness the meteoric rise of Germany. I hate to admit it but the Germans are clever toerags. The allies bought them to their knees twice in the last century yet german engineering is the best around german exports are second only to china does anyone know just how enormous the german export Market is??? me being a Brit it makes my blood boil just how strong they are news out this week about german unemployment reaching a 20 year LOW! While countries all over Europe are still trying to steadily grow germany are as strong as a wind turbine. This would not have been the case if Britain wasn’t forced by AMERICA to give up our empire. The yanks have shot themselves in the foot and I’m afraid it’s going to cost the global economy dearly yet again. You can start by bringing the CEOs of Lehman bros like Richard fuld, Ben bernanke

    • Jason

      America has already lost its AAA rating. it happened late last year

    • SGT Saunders

      Lucas,
      The United States didn’t force you to give up your Empire. India threatened to back the Japanese in WWII if Great Britain didn’t agree to give the India independence after the war. After the war, your own people punted Sir Winston and put the Labour Party in charge. You did it to yourselves, buddy.

    • Mr. Universe

      The only reason the global economy would come to a standstill if america went belly up is simply this, and this is something i have observed over the years, The world is dependent upon the United States soley, because of a few facts:
      A. We bring business to failing countries and nations
      B. We throw out millions of Dollars to feed, cloth, and shelter starving nations
      C. World stocks are traded mostly in OUR market
      D. We hold 76.6% of all the gold in the world, most of which was given away by other nations as a thank you to our nations assistance
      E. Not like the brazen giant of greek fame, with conquering limbs astride from land to land. Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand a mighty woman with a torch, whose flame is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother Of Exiles. From her beacon hand glows world-wide welcome; Her mild eyes command the air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame. “Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
      With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor. Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, i lift my lamp beside the Golden door!” – Emma Lazarus All those who can’t stand their home nations come to us to be free more so than they could have ever been in their home nation.

      These are only a few of the reasons why the world will fall if the U.S. falls.

      Though the United States is but a young pup in the history of our world, we came up fast, we came up strong, and we grabbed the reigns when the rest of the world let them fall.

      And in the unfortunate events of world history a saying stands out like a sore thumb and rings true in every single nation on the globe including yours Lucas:

      Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutly

      Sicerely

      Mr. Universe

      I am watching…

    • Michael

      Lucas,
      Sorry to say but you are ********************** anyway with the Euro and the other lazy s.o.b.’s in Europe :/ Just saying!!!

  • Lucas marrone

    And Glen Hubbard who all profited from your last demise. Start a political party that is not motivated by greed, rally the people aswell as educate them let them know how they are getting skanked also bring prosections against the men named especially mr.fuld!!!! And also tell that daft president of yours to grow some balls like our prime minister david Cameron who has grown a pair and stood up to the eurocrats.

    • http://na Peter

      Obama is a piece of garbage who hates America and is enjoying it’s collapse. We have the Tea party but no viable candidates. Ron Paul is tryng to get on the Republican ticket but the media HATES him and so does his party. The only reason he is still in it is because of his grass roots supporters. We are hoping to pull off a miracle. But that is only one branch. The congress is still crap…

  • Fox

    You guys have a few pieces of pieces from a massive, massive puzzle.

    The Rothschild and 13 bloodlines have chiseled history in their own images (much as they are continuing to do our futures).

    So here goes, a few pointers.
    1. yes the fed is owned by bankers, well run by bankers from those banks (good eh) Rothschild created the fed and the first American bank and has (allegedly) killed of every American President that has stood in his way and mentioned “gold or silver standard” (but then who says gold or silver is a precious metal – (i mean you cannot eat it!).

    2. Britain is FAR from out of the woods – guess who owns the Bank of England – it’s not the public!
    and guess where ALL the money is owed? (someone with assets of $300 Trillion) Rothschild.

    - so why don’t we stand up to him? “they” own the police, the armies the governments, the politicians… basically society!

    3. Three countries without a Rothschild central bank (for now) — wait for it… SYRIA, IRAN and CHINA…

    4. These families are responsible for all wars, WWI, WWII and WWIII, they have secret meetings in Bildersberg and Bohimien Grove to facilitate this dastardly plan….
    don’t believe me? research, the one thing they fear is the internet, it is all out there, the real history, who REALLY owns Israel (and it is the Palestinians.. part of Persia you know)

    Time to wake up and smell the coffee beans, i for one am fed up of being a slave for the rich.

    P.s – sorry about the name, do you really think i am daft enough to write this and use my real name… RIK CLAY – YouTube.. do it!

  • Russel

    The Best way I sense in resolving this issue, is (a) to levy a Surcharge for every Payment made to Federal Reserve say 1%.
    (b) tax all the Shareholders for any transaction in transfer of funds @ 1%.
    (c) Put a clause that no funds of Federal Reserve can be transferred out of the country, and in doing so twice that amount will be reduced from the principal debt.
    (d) Government bonds purchased by the Federal Reserve as Institutional buyers will be given 1% lower interest than Individual/Corporate buyers.
    (e) Keep track of all investments by these so-called Federal Reserve Shareholders Cash flow and levy additional surcharge of 1% on those transactions.
    (f) put in a legislation that for every 500,000$ of money borrowed, 1 individual will be additionally employed by Federal Reserve with Salary not less than 75000$ p.a.. This employee will start paying tax of approx. 25000$.

    (g) Many more points which cannot be listed altogether in this post.

    These will start draining money out of the Federal Reserve and back into the economy. And in a span of approx. 15-20 years, Federal Reserve debt can be nullified.

    Your views will be highly appreciated.

    Regards/Russel

  • http://www.wealthmoney.org Ayrlahn Johnson

    Good article. Here is some feedback. Too much emphasis on the Federal Reserve. The reality is the vast majority of money is created by the lending process of private commercial banks. When money is loaned, new (checkbook) money is created, when the loans are paid back, the (checkbook) money is destroyed. In the meantime the money to pay the interest is never created. Theis means we will always be in debt and there is no way to every pay back the debt and there will always be losers in the economy through no fault of their own. We will never get out of debt in this system because all money is debt. If no one (government, business or individuals) borrows any money, there will be no money to carry on commerce. The only solution to the problem is to somehow create some debt free and interest free money. Congress could easily do that but not only do they seem unwilling to do that they have shown themselves to not even understand the problem much less understand a solution. The good news is that we do have a solution that will work at the State level. In Minnesota we have introduced a Bill (Senate File 65 and House File 610) that will create money debt free and interest free through State Chartered Banks to fund transportation projects in the State of Minnesota.

  • http://plus.google.com Lauretta

    People open your eyes, this whole world is a conspiracy and nothing can or will be done unless and until the individual gets fed up and starts fighting back. We need to become the enlightened people we once were and do things that are morally good for us. We need to get back to our basic rights and freedoms and back to living off the land instead of depending on others to do for us. As one of the founding fathers said, you can not give up freedom for security because you will have neither.

  • rick

    This stuff scares me. I wish I could go somewhere and hide. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer. No wonder the world would like to see us fall. We just can’t give up,I’ve got another 30 years of life left. Please God save us!!!!

  • Patrick

    Ron Paul anyone?
    ——————————
    Best Plan of action, Education..
    Spread this info, learn more on the subject,
    and maybe one day it can change YOU Know when there isn’t a bunch of uneducated, Government supported bum’s voting for more free money, food and health care and pigs fly….. lol
    just kidding… honestly though only one way to change this, Education and the sharing of Knowledge on the subject is the only way .. PEACE OUT… LOVE YOU All………

    • BobTrent

      What? The “gov’t. supported bums” are at least 47%. I think that’s probably an understatement. What about all the nonproducers: soldiers, gov’t. officials? Not just welfare bums. Social security recipients: welfare bums, too. The FICA/SECA taxes they paid were spent long ago. Their handouts come out of people who are paying FICA/SECA taxes now. Plus, O’Bama said last year that as of Sept 30, 2012, the SS payouts exceed the FICA/SECA taxes received. That means that SS has started sucking on the general fund teat.
      Gotta get O’BamaCare going to get rid of the useless eaters (especially of medical care). Hope they don’t get around to the bedwetting kids very soon.

  • michaels

    yes,the rich,powerful,politicos love the money and will do anything to keep and steal it from the public.problem is the voters have been dumbed down and love their pleasures more than educating themselves even a small bit so we continue to elect dubious candidates in big money’s pockets.a bad scene and no good can accrue from it.public in Greece got lots of benefits and politicos there grew their debt so now riots.only integrity,hard work can overcome

  • Robert Stehli

    Sad, I imagine that these banking elite will continue to skuttle the Eurozone countries one at a time by lending them money that dosn’t even exist, and sabotaging their industries, as they put their bankers in charge of them. Then they will turn on us. Before they take us down they will probably try to use our military mite to subjugate any countries that have resisted their control. In the end the people of the world counted as their cattle. These banking elite seem to have left no stone unturned. They own most of our politicians, and our mass media. Their banks have opened their vault doors to both Romney and Obama. Either way they win! You have to admire their genius. By the way, since their minions control our education and information, and they are working feverishly to control the internet: I would say our chances of getting out of this one are slim.

  • Me

    This article seems to continuously claim that the only way to repay debt is to increase money.

    What is debt and who do we owe it to?

    Most of it is owed to the future. The banks do not simply take that $100 and arbitrarily lend out $1000. They lend against value whether that value be tangible assets or a realistic promise to pay based on a history of earning.

    That $900 that is lent out represents value not just in existence today but also in existence over the coming years. It is borrowed from the future.

    We are effectively taking money from tomorrows expected wealth and spending it today.

    This can be disastrous if greedy lenders overestimate the value of tomorrows wealth. Or if self entitled borrowers spend tomorrows money because they do not want to wait and save their money.

    On the flip side lending out more money than actually exists right now can be extremely positive as it can fuel growth to an extent that was not otherwise possible. If the lending is used to increase the amount of resources and significantly add value to the economy it can be a very good thing. Thus lending can be very good if it increases the value of tomorrows economy by more than what was borrowed from it.

    It is right to try to scare people but you need a call to action – people should ask themselves, am I borrowing productively? Is your borrowing going to be used to directly add significant value to tomorrow’s society or does your borrowing simply allow you to buy today what you want to pay for tomorrow? You are the economy all of you. It’s easy to blame fatcats, bank owners, politicians, reserve bank or whatever but their power is only perceived power and they know it. The real power has and always will lie in the hands of the people, most of them are just too fat lazy selfish and stupid to do anything about it. Does that apply to you too? Ask yourself that next time you want to buy something on credit.

    • BobTrent

      It’s all fantasy, folks. The “money” is “created” out of “thin air” (more like a vacuum). The debt is imaginary just like the money units that it represents.

  • Gregory Heald

    Yes I have a thought. I am really good at what I do but, banking is not what I do. So, call me stupid but, it seems to me the simple soulution here is always the hardest one. Screw the banking elite like they have been screwing us for so long with a banking scam that has cost the US trillions and destroying the nation. Borrow all the money we can from the Federal Reserve while are credit is still good. Then pisss on them. Default on the loan. Simple.

  • Gregory Heald

    Bankrupt the Bastards. Surely they are smart enough to cover for this event which happens all the time. The banks cover for it in the interest rates. The Banking Elite should have accounted for this. So screw them borrow all we can and stick it up there ass for a change. Be like the movie Trading Places. Bet Congress doesn’t have the balls to pull this off!

  • Gregory Heald

    Let me get this straight. The Federal Reserve is a Private Bank. We cannot audit there books. We borrow money from them when we need it, and they charge us interest on our own money. And they have the templates and can print our money whenever they want to? Is that about right?

    ARE YOU ************* KIDDING ME! SCREW THROWING CONGRESS OUT OF OFFICE. JUST TAKE THEM OUTSIDE AND SHOOT THERE DUMB ASSES.

    • BobTrent

      Very brave of you to encourage me to do it. You do it, big mouth.

  • https://sites.google.com/site/thegreatstatedivorce/ Charles La Rue

    Hello,

    I’me a retired aerospace system engineer. I became interested in honest money and the Federal Reserve system thirty years ago. This recent recession has fired up my imagination. I believe that I’ve come up with a win win solution. Will you please look at my blog? I’ve love your comments.

    https://sites.google.com/site/thegreatstatedivorce/

    Sincerely,
    Charles La Rue

    • R G

      Hi Charles,

      Read “the great divorce”, very intriguing.

      One question… How do propose to make your plan attractive to “regular” Americans and Washington DC politicians specifically, since DC politicians will be deprived of their source of money to waste on nonsense like giving money to Pakistan, who hates us and doing studies on the speckled snout lizard…

      How do we fund federal programs we want to fund like military spending, etc.? RG

  • Mr. Universe

    I just did some calculations, I took the total amount of gold held by the world which is ~30,807.6 tonnes, then the current price of gold per oz which is ~$1,642.1 multiplied that by 32,000 to get total price per tonne which is ~$52,547,200 per tonne, and then I finally multiplied ~$52,547,200 per tonne by ~30,807.6 tonnes and got the total figure of…Drum roll please….
    A measly $1,618,853,118,720. Still not enough to pay off the national debt.

    so to recap the equation goes like this:
    $1,642.1 x 32,000 oz = $52,547,200 per T x 30,807.6 T = $1,618,853,118,720

    Now the reason I bring up gold is that is the base of our monetary system here in the United(for the moment) States of America, that little peice of paper is supposed to represent an equivalant amount in gold, unfortunatly like was stated in the article, we have a “Fractional Reserve Banking” system so the amount of paper money we have is far beyond the limited supply of gold that is held in reserve and the amount of positive intrest (meaning the amount that the dollar is stretched via Fractional Reserve Banking) basically blows that number out of the water.

    Just because we aren’t useing a trading and battering system anymore doesn’t mean that we still don’t, for lack of a better phrase, think about the chicken.

    In other words we are still trading the chicken for the cow only the chicken is represented by a slip of paper that says One Chicken(one dollar).

    The numbers I have given will of course fluctuate on a daily or even hourly basis but this is just my interpretation of todays numbers that I have found.

    I hope that this makes sense to at least one person.

    Sincerely

    Mr. Universe

    I am watching…

    • Michael

      Mr. Universe,
      WHAT YEAR ARE YOU LIVING IN???? We have not been on a gold backed currency for 40 FREAKING YEARS NOW!!! There is no connection between gold and our currency now, none, zilch, nada, non!!!! Study your history, and especially economics in history or you are DOOMED to repeat it!

  • MistaBluMagic

    Hmm. If we are in an impossible to beat financial crisis why would money lenders keep
    lending money?
    For example lets say you lent someone 1 million dollars and they ended up failing
    their investments costing them their job and home. Would you give it back ? And lets say you did give it back and they ended up trying it again but again they failed costing them even more debt. would you give it back ? Whats the point of lending out large amounts of money if you wont get it back? Wheres the win? Do they plan to build a system where they eventually get their money back whether its fair or not “to we the people “? I guess this is where they finally whip out the New World Order.

    • Michael

      Helllooooooooo,
      They are loaning based on fractional reserve lending!! That means the minimum they loan out is based on 10 times the amount of YOUR deposit into their banks! That is the MINIMUM! So lets say in their bank some one has deposited $100, that means if they are at the maximum level of reserve requirement (they have a low credit rating), then they can loan out $1000. Now most likely they are paying you about 1% on your money ANNUALLY! They are charging 11% average on that money they just lent back out. So they are making more than DOUBLE and its not even their own money they are lending to everybody. Do you see where they really do not have a reason NOT to lend???

  • Tim

    I just read a report that only 85 million people actually pay Federal income tax….Low income familys 22% of soccial security etc don’t pay
    income tax.. So 16 Trillion in Debt divided by 85 million equal $188,000 owed per paying taxpayer We would have to pay $6200 extra each year in taxes
    for 30 years to pay off debt..That assumes balanced budget now…We have the richest country in the world in natural resourses and hard working
    people we can solve this problem by working together and rebuilding our great heritage

  • Marty

    There may be a way to put a dent in the debt and reduce it! If federal and state governments would grow, harvest, and sell trees it would raise revenue. At the least it would help pay interest on the debt.

  • Lee

    More conspiracy theories. Just because you can read something online doesn’t make it true. Her Majesty the Queen does Not profit from the Fed in any way shape or form, the so called Elite do not own Americas Fed or Britains Bank of England. No private individuals do. There are no dividends paid to the share-holders who merely exist as a requirement of law. Poor Rothschilds get blamed for everything all because of the Napoleonic era buy outs, true enough but they’ve never been that smart since and were shut out of the British establishment since.

  • http://yahoo.com Jess

    I do believe what is being said in this article, but only to a certain point.

    The issue lies in a combination of things. First thing first I want to point out if anyone has not noticed but if you decide to buy anything made out of plastic, wood, metal, rubber, pretty much anything other than food, IT IS MADE IN CHINA. Who is the most financial stable country? You guessed it! CHINA. When it comes down to toys, containers, anything other than specialized items america buys it from other countries, like china, mostly china. I know that everyone in this country may not have the best math skills, but I know everyone knows when you subtract something and dont add anything back to it, it gets smaller or in the case of the United States debt, it gets bigger.

    We will not be able to get out of debt until we start selling our products to other countries, in mass quantities. When we stop recieving products from other countries. The United states have to change FREE TRADE to NOT FREE TRADE. If the United States stops excepting inports and charge high fees for inports it becomes more feasible to build our own products. When we build our own products and make toys for our children we create jobs to employee americans. If we continue to take in chinas products it obviously will continue to get much worse. I make it a point not to buy anything from china. It is really hard to do and at times gets expensive. In some areas it is impossible like phones and cameras, especially after Kodak went out of buisiness.

    So really what it comes down to is, WE, OURSELVES, are CRASHING and PUTTING oursevles into more DEBT. If we the people do not start turning it around, nothing will change. The government isnt doing it for us. We need to start doing it. I am trying to start my own buisiness and it is really really hard, especially with only buying american.

    By American! There are many companies right now struggling because of the government. We need to help them out. Stop buying American Eagle and buy American Apparel. Instead of Dickies, buy All USA. We have options and we have to take the tougher option sometimes to make our country in a whole, Better. We will start creating jobs slowly on our own.

    • Chris

      I think you’re missing the whole, “more money owed than actually exists” part.

    • dyssiden

      How about this; the US announces its intentions to categorically scale back on its Free Trade Agreements, and starts imposing tariffs on certain imports…. over time this tariff will rise. In return, China will want to dump the US treasuries…. unless somehow the Chinese believe that somehow the US $ will always hold its value against the remnimbi.

  • Curtis

    3 Words, The Venus Project. I’ll let it speak for itself.

  • charles

    whats the problem?
    Just take care of your own butt.
    make sure you have cash or something under your bed.
    US will go bankrupt…
    so big deal.
    just be happy and maybe you will get to know your neighbours.
    The world is really laughing at the US, its stupidity, and political forums.
    its had one of the greatest armed forces but has never paid for it, how superficial is that?
    What goes up must come down.
    China will probably come down in 50 or 60 years. Muslims after that….
    just nature taking its course. A whole nation with its head up its A&&.

    • BobTrent

      If you have guns and ammunition you can make the Preparedness people share their foodstocks with you, or if they are not compliant just shoot them. Of course if everlyone had only guns and ammunition and no hoards of supplies, this idea wouldn’t work.

  • William Blair

    It is called – being sold into bondage by liars, thieves and traitors. Fed only by a false security of social structure: the slave, the taskmaster and the aristocrat.

  • Boston

    I don’t understand how when the debt is about 16 trillion and all of the physical assets are worth 65 trillion it won’t pay off the national debt, I know I didn’t get the message right.

    BTW Im a tenth grader, I’m just trying to understand

    • unknownn

      they would have to sell our land and everything the us owns to get 65 trillion

      • miaminative305colombia

        exactly, now let’s give the foreign countries all the states we’re not using. Did you know Wyoming, Vermont, Delaware, South Dakota, Alaska, and North Dakota don’t even have a population of 1 million people. Meanwhile New York CITY not the state the CITY has 8 MILLION people living there. Let’s give the foreign countries all those states and a couple others the U.S. isn’t using.

  • Trent Pettison

    A government created “money supply” can never go broke. That’s why gold and silver certificates became “legal tender.” A food stamp and welfare check is too. As long as people accept paper in exchange for real goods from this Santa Claus government all is well … until it takes a wheelbarrow full of it to buy a loaf of bread.

    If you don’t think it can happen, ask a southener who saved his Confederate dollars thinking the South would rise again. Should of hung onto his gold if he had any because that’s what was really needed.

    Historically, democracies last about 200 yrs. give or take and this one is getting mighty near the end of it’s rope. It never fails and a dictatorship follows. Yes, it’s a grim outlook but look at the bright side. A new democracy will emerge over time that may have acquired the wisdom to understand the weakness of human nature and lead it’s way out of the dark side of arrogance.

  • http://twitter.com/earthwormdot EarthwormdotGen

    The numbers are not the real issue: when it comes to
    practicalities, and ignoring moral values, what matters is what happens. While
    moral values have high value to me, in the following discussion I assume that
    the characters involved have no moral values.

    Let’s say we have two countries, Country A and Country B: each country has $1
    trillion.

    Let’s assume that each country’s strength is directly
    proportional to the wealth it owns.

    Country A borrows $500 billion from Country B.

    For 30 years, Country A develops its military and becomes
    stronger than Country B. However, due to interest, Country A now owes a
    staggering $20 trillion to Country B.

    Country A doesn’t want to pay the debt, so it just launches (and wins) a war
    against Country B.

    What matters is what happens: if nothing important really happens (yet) due to the debt, then using the assumptions, the debt doesn’t matter much (yet)
    The end.

  • Food for Thought..

    I think all the countries in the world should get together and neutralize their debts… Like, every country has debts. So what I mean by that is: say the US owes France… 3 million dollars (just go with it), and France owes the US… 2 million dollars. If France were to pay off their entire debt to the US, we would just turn around and give it right back to pay for our debt. So just cancel out the smaller number. Now, France doesn’t owe anything, and the US owes a much smaller amount of 1 million dollars. Now, I know those numbers were very wrong, but I just think if everyone worked together, we’d could maybe… i dunno, lessen the blow, I guess?

    • Ryan

      The problem is the countries owe each other very small amounts compared to what they owe the central banking industry. The Federal Reserve is the one who is owed all of the money, and they don’t pertain to any particular nation. These are the Rothschild, the Rockefellers, etc. The thirteen elite bloodlines.

    • BobTrent

      The banksters have orchestrated the murdering of hundreds of millions of people just in the last century. Think a few officials or presidents can stand in their way? Ask Abe Lincoln and John Kennedy about that.

  • Ryan

    Basically, when the central banking creates a dollar, they loan it to the United States at, for example, 6% interest. Therefore, they created a dollar for us, and we owe 1.06. The extra six cents do not exist. Since the money system isn’t backed by silver or gold as it used to be, it isn’t worth anything. The money is only paper. Paper is very cheap. A dollar is only worth a dollar to someone who sees that as it’s worth. Gold and silver are actually worth something. But the central banking system took gold and silver out of our money decades ago so they could control our money. Anyways back to my thought, if we owe 1.06 and only have one dollar, as we continue to borrow money from the federal reserve we will continue to go further and further into debt. As the interest compiles and multiplies on top of itself, we find ourselves in an enormous problem.

    • BobTrent

      Gold and silver as currency sound good as having intrinsic value. But past experience shows that the international moneychangers can suck the gold out of a country that relies on it as currency and bring that country “to its knees.” When the British were buying tea and other goods from China, the Emperor insisted on being paid in silver (and gold). He had no use for trade, for as he put it, China was an ancient civilization and was perfectly capable of manufacturing anything needed or wanted by the Chinese people right there in China. Britain was sucked almost empty of its silver. So the British, who controlled the Indian opium manufacture, smuggled vast quantities of opium into China, receiving payment in the silver they had paid the Chinese, doing great harm to the Chinese people. When the Chinese government and patriots resisted, the British and other western dope pushers invaded China. The Boxer Rebellion was one instance of Chinese resistance to abuse by western merchants and their governments.

  • Josh

    Zeitgeist the movie. Solution a resource based economy

  • collin

    The debt is mathmaticly impossable to pay because the intrest is not created ! and that is fraud ! The banks have a license to counterfiet ! So all out of thinn air debt is null and void! under fraud ! Everyone should keep all property they have out of thinn air debt on ! If we let the banks get ANY of it is like coming home and catching a thief robinig your house and letting them keep what they have loaded in the truck!!! This can only end two ways #1 the banks forclose on the world and own almost everything and become our TOTAL slave masters ! Or we void the debt and keep our property that WE worked for!!! the bankers did not work for the so called money! And this would boost the economey like never before and we go back to what made america the greatest country in the world FREEDOM and The United States Constitution FOR America! And it only allowes gold and silver as pament of debt! The banks hate gold and silver because the cant create it out of thinn air!!! And dont believe the lies about there not being enough of it!! rite now if you worked for a 1oz silver coin per hour that would be $30+ dollars But dont take my word do your own research!!

    • BobTrent

      All your (land/real estate) property is pawned by the counties in which it lies as security for the bonds that every county and municipality has issued.
      You are a feudal tenant, not an absolute owner, despite the meaningless phrase “in fee simple” in the deed. Where do you think the land came from in the first place? God created it and the government stole it from whoever occupied it before the present system took it over.
      You got it as the successor to a gang of thieves and murderers who killed, subjugated or drove out the previous gang of thieves and murderers.
      I know a little about this as my ancestors were many of the aforesaid most recent gang of thieves and murderers.
      It’s the way of the world.

  • California

    Couldn’t we just go to war with china and North Korea and sell there land

    • BobTrent

      Um, China is chock full of Chinese, who still remember how the western nations, including the United State, have treated China. They just might not be real welcoming to anyone who actually came and attempted to take possession. “North” Korea is claimed by the Republic of Korea (“south” Korea), who might get testy about it.
      Are you ready to sacrifice the entire Left Coast of the US for the conquest of China?

  • Gonzo

    The Federal acts that created the U.S. Federal Resurve System states, The U.S. Congress can at any time buy back the Federal Reserve for the sum of 450 milion dollars. Which seemed unfeesable in 1913 when it was writen, but at current its not such a large sum. Not considering the yearly proffet is more than 9 Billion a year, after they pay themselves their take. And as of current, no one knows what they pay themselves. They won’t allow anyone to see the books, never have done so ether. So, in essentce The Federal Reserve, owns the U.S. Government, and all of the people too.

    • BobTrent

      Where will the US get the $450 mil in cash that isn’t borrowed from the FED? Print a US Note for $450 million and give it to them? Both presidents who ordered the issue of interest free paper money were quickly shot in the backs of their heads and the US Notes taken out of circulation.
      Where will you find the politicians who are brave enough to take on the international banksters who own the FED and most of the rest of the world’s central banks?

  • Ben

    This is possibly the dumbest opinion on how money, banking and the economy work and offers no better alternative to the way any of what’s described works. I feel stupider that I found this webpage.

  • BobTrent

    Paper and ink. And now, electromagnetic zits in computer memory banks.

  • marvin nubwaxer

    this is absolute wacko scare tactic bs. what are they selling here? gold? bitcoin? survivalist supplies, bunkers and guns?
    by the way, the usa owns assets of at least $65-120 trillion, but this site is also a right wing extremist propaganda port to bash obama.
    booga booga.

  • marvin nubwaxer

    it’s a federal presidential republic. unfortunately it has also become a corporate/military empire and all empires in history have crumbled out of existence sooner or later.

  • Scott

    You are correct. The Constitution prohibits the states from making their own money in Section 10, “No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts;

    In Section 8, the U.S. Congress has this power, “To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
    and also, “To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

    Why has Congress borrowed money for the last hundred years instead of coining our own money? Don’t you think the borrowing method will lead to the ruin of our county eventually? The debt cannot be paid off. As more and more money is borrowed and put into circulation via the fractional reserve system the dollar will become almost worthless.

  • miaminative305colombia

    Mathematically impossible? That’s not what the foreign countries are saying. Give them the middle states of America. There. Now everyone can be happy and America will become more diverse than ever before.

  • Kara Oneil

    If they are afraid, and they are, since they are saying it will cause financial disaster to have an audit, we need the audit. That means, we have no money in our country. That means, if every person in the United States went to the bank to get their money out, the banks would not be able to handle it, that means the money is gone. Period.

  • Kara Oneil

    Why if they are a private business, are they exempt from taxes? They are making more money than anyone in the world.

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