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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 06:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Universe, 
WHAT YEAR ARE YOU LIVING IN????  We have not been on a gold backed currency for 40 FREAKING YEARS NOW!!!  There is no connection between gold and our currency now, none, zilch, nada, non!!!!  Study your history, and especially economics in history or you are DOOMED to repeat it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Universe,<br />
WHAT YEAR ARE YOU LIVING IN????  We have not been on a gold backed currency for 40 FREAKING YEARS NOW!!!  There is no connection between gold and our currency now, none, zilch, nada, non!!!!  Study your history, and especially economics in history or you are DOOMED to repeat it!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 06:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helllooooooooo,
They are loaning based on fractional reserve lending!!  That means the minimum they loan out is based on 10 times the amount of YOUR deposit into their banks!  That is the MINIMUM!  So lets say in their bank some one has deposited $100, that means if they are at the maximum level of reserve requirement (they have a low credit rating), then they can loan out $1000.  Now most likely they are paying you about 1% on your money ANNUALLY!  They are charging 11% average on that money they just lent back out.  So they are making more than DOUBLE and its not even their own money they are lending to everybody.  Do you see where they really do not have a reason NOT to lend???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helllooooooooo,<br />
They are loaning based on fractional reserve lending!!  That means the minimum they loan out is based on 10 times the amount of YOUR deposit into their banks!  That is the MINIMUM!  So lets say in their bank some one has deposited $100, that means if they are at the maximum level of reserve requirement (they have a low credit rating), then they can loan out $1000.  Now most likely they are paying you about 1% on your money ANNUALLY!  They are charging 11% average on that money they just lent back out.  So they are making more than DOUBLE and its not even their own money they are lending to everybody.  Do you see where they really do not have a reason NOT to lend???</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 02:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lucas,
Sorry to say but you are ********************** anyway with the Euro and the other lazy s.o.b.&#039;s in Europe :/   Just saying!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucas,<br />
Sorry to say but you are ********************** anyway with the Euro and the other lazy s.o.b.&#8217;s in Europe :/   Just saying!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 02:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dumbs^&amp;%,
Do you realize that the reason we have such an increase in the U.S. Money Supply, other than to compensate for increase of population, is DUE TO INFLATION that is NECESSARY only because of the INFLATION of the money supply????????  Read up and study your history or you are doomed to repeat it!
Your friend,
End the FED</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dumbs^&amp;%,<br />
Do you realize that the reason we have such an increase in the U.S. Money Supply, other than to compensate for increase of population, is DUE TO INFLATION that is NECESSARY only because of the INFLATION of the money supply????????  Read up and study your history or you are doomed to repeat it!<br />
Your friend,<br />
End the FED</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 02:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Rick, but if we took back control THEN printed money to pay off our debt, we would be on the hook for the entire amount owed even the amount owed to and due to corrupt businesses and dealings.  On the other hand, if you print lots of money then pay off the amount , the FED and all of their minions will fight tooth and nail for their money that will be owed in interest.  This has WAR written all over it!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Rick, but if we took back control THEN printed money to pay off our debt, we would be on the hook for the entire amount owed even the amount owed to and due to corrupt businesses and dealings.  On the other hand, if you print lots of money then pay off the amount , the FED and all of their minions will fight tooth and nail for their money that will be owed in interest.  This has WAR written all over it!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 02:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are an idiot.  They only relinquish what THEY say their profit was.  In 2008 THEY said it was only $22 Billion.  LMBO, that would be less than .02 of a PERCENT.  WAKE THE HELL UP!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are an idiot.  They only relinquish what THEY say their profit was.  In 2008 THEY said it was only $22 Billion.  LMBO, that would be less than .02 of a PERCENT.  WAKE THE HELL UP!!!</p>
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		<title>By: MistaBluMagic</title>
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		<dc:creator>MistaBluMagic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 22:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. If we are in an impossible to beat financial crisis why would money lenders keep    
lending money? 
  For example lets say you lent someone 1 million dollars and they ended up failing 
 their investments costing them their job and home. Would you give it back ? And lets say you did give it back and they ended up trying it again but again they failed costing them even more debt. would you give it back ? Whats the point of lending out large amounts of money if you wont get it back? Wheres the win? Do they plan to build a system where they eventually get their money back whether its fair or not &quot;to we the people &quot;? I guess this is where they finally whip out the New World Order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. If we are in an impossible to beat financial crisis why would money lenders keep<br />
lending money?<br />
  For example lets say you lent someone 1 million dollars and they ended up failing<br />
 their investments costing them their job and home. Would you give it back ? And lets say you did give it back and they ended up trying it again but again they failed costing them even more debt. would you give it back ? Whats the point of lending out large amounts of money if you wont get it back? Wheres the win? Do they plan to build a system where they eventually get their money back whether its fair or not &#8220;to we the people &#8220;? I guess this is where they finally whip out the New World Order.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Universe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Universe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is an excellent idea, i can just see a hole in it though, if we were to impliment this plan, whats to stop the government from collecting the debt from it&#039;s citzens??? just wondering very, very good plan though.

Simple solutions are often the ones that are the most overlooked

Sincerely 
Mr. Universe
I am watching...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is an excellent idea, i can just see a hole in it though, if we were to impliment this plan, whats to stop the government from collecting the debt from it&#8217;s citzens??? just wondering very, very good plan though.</p>
<p>Simple solutions are often the ones that are the most overlooked</p>
<p>Sincerely<br />
Mr. Universe<br />
I am watching&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Universe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Universe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only reason the global economy would come to a standstill if america went belly up is simply this, and this is something i have observed over the years, The world is dependent upon the United States soley, because of a few facts:
A. We bring business to failing countries and nations
B. We throw out millions of Dollars to feed, cloth, and shelter starving nations
C. World stocks are traded mostly in OUR market
D. We hold 76.6% of all the gold in the world, most of which was given away by other nations as a thank you to our nations assistance
E. Not like the brazen giant of greek fame, with conquering limbs astride from land to land. Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand a mighty woman with a torch, whose flame is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother Of Exiles. From her beacon hand glows world-wide welcome; Her mild eyes command the air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame. &quot;Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!&quot; cries she
With silent lips. &quot;Give me your tired, your poor. Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, i lift my lamp beside the Golden door!&quot; - Emma Lazarus All those who can&#039;t stand their home nations come to us to be free more so than they could have ever been in their home nation.

These are only a few of the reasons why the world will fall if the U.S. falls.

Though the United States is but a young pup in the history of our world, we came up fast, we came up strong, and we grabbed the reigns when the rest of the world let them fall.

And in the unfortunate events of world history a saying stands out like a sore thumb and rings true in every single nation on the globe including yours Lucas:

Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutly

Sicerely 

Mr. Universe

I am watching...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only reason the global economy would come to a standstill if america went belly up is simply this, and this is something i have observed over the years, The world is dependent upon the United States soley, because of a few facts:<br />
A. We bring business to failing countries and nations<br />
B. We throw out millions of Dollars to feed, cloth, and shelter starving nations<br />
C. World stocks are traded mostly in OUR market<br />
D. We hold 76.6% of all the gold in the world, most of which was given away by other nations as a thank you to our nations assistance<br />
E. Not like the brazen giant of greek fame, with conquering limbs astride from land to land. Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand a mighty woman with a torch, whose flame is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother Of Exiles. From her beacon hand glows world-wide welcome; Her mild eyes command the air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame. &#8220;Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!&#8221; cries she<br />
With silent lips. &#8220;Give me your tired, your poor. Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, i lift my lamp beside the Golden door!&#8221; &#8211; Emma Lazarus All those who can&#8217;t stand their home nations come to us to be free more so than they could have ever been in their home nation.</p>
<p>These are only a few of the reasons why the world will fall if the U.S. falls.</p>
<p>Though the United States is but a young pup in the history of our world, we came up fast, we came up strong, and we grabbed the reigns when the rest of the world let them fall.</p>
<p>And in the unfortunate events of world history a saying stands out like a sore thumb and rings true in every single nation on the globe including yours Lucas:</p>
<p>Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutly</p>
<p>Sicerely </p>
<p>Mr. Universe</p>
<p>I am watching&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Universe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Universe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My main question is why do foriegn banks have any hand in this at all? We not the colonies anymore yet we are still holding englands hand like a grown man with wife and three kids holding his mothers hand and never going anywhere without his mommy....

Excuse my phrasing of this it was the only way i could think to express my point, i do not mean to offend anyone and if i have done so i sincerely appologize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My main question is why do foriegn banks have any hand in this at all? We not the colonies anymore yet we are still holding englands hand like a grown man with wife and three kids holding his mothers hand and never going anywhere without his mommy&#8230;.</p>
<p>Excuse my phrasing of this it was the only way i could think to express my point, i do not mean to offend anyone and if i have done so i sincerely appologize.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Universe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Universe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Offset the amount of $48,543.69 based upon total household income, so say some one who makes millions a year make them pay....we&#039;ll say $100,000 and some one who makes $10,000 a year make them pay $100, the idea you have is an excellent idea, we just need everyone to agree to it and if history is any judge, I have my doubts that the totality of the american population (i.e. Every man, woman, child, imigrant, politician, actor(ess), etc.) will agree on this. 

But if we few here can come up with a plan here in this article, and devise a way to get people to hand over money from their pockets to pay off our national debt then it is our duty to help our nation.

Sincerely

Mr. Universe

I am watching...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Offset the amount of $48,543.69 based upon total household income, so say some one who makes millions a year make them pay&#8230;.we&#8217;ll say $100,000 and some one who makes $10,000 a year make them pay $100, the idea you have is an excellent idea, we just need everyone to agree to it and if history is any judge, I have my doubts that the totality of the american population (i.e. Every man, woman, child, imigrant, politician, actor(ess), etc.) will agree on this. </p>
<p>But if we few here can come up with a plan here in this article, and devise a way to get people to hand over money from their pockets to pay off our national debt then it is our duty to help our nation.</p>
<p>Sincerely</p>
<p>Mr. Universe</p>
<p>I am watching&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Universe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Universe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just did some calculations, I took the total amount of gold held by the world which is ~30,807.6 tonnes, then the current price of gold per oz which is ~$1,642.1 multiplied that by 32,000 to get total price per tonne which is ~$52,547,200 per tonne, and then I finally multiplied ~$52,547,200 per tonne by ~30,807.6 tonnes and got the total figure of...Drum roll please....
A measly $1,618,853,118,720. Still not enough to pay off the national debt.

so to recap the equation goes like this:
$1,642.1 x 32,000 oz = $52,547,200 per T x 30,807.6 T = $1,618,853,118,720

Now the reason I bring up gold is that is the base of our monetary system here in the United(for the moment) States of America, that little peice of paper is supposed to represent an equivalant amount in gold, unfortunatly like was stated in the article, we have a &quot;Fractional Reserve Banking&quot; system so the amount of paper money we have is far beyond the limited supply of gold that is held in reserve and the amount of positive intrest (meaning the amount that the dollar is stretched via Fractional Reserve Banking) basically blows that number out of the water.

Just because we aren&#039;t useing a trading and battering system anymore doesn&#039;t mean that we still don&#039;t, for lack of a better phrase, think about the chicken.

In other words we are still trading the chicken for the cow only the chicken is represented by a slip of paper that says One Chicken(one dollar). 

The numbers I have given will of course fluctuate on a daily or even hourly basis but this is just my interpretation of todays numbers that I have found.

I hope that this makes sense to at least one person.

Sincerely

Mr. Universe 

I am watching...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just did some calculations, I took the total amount of gold held by the world which is ~30,807.6 tonnes, then the current price of gold per oz which is ~$1,642.1 multiplied that by 32,000 to get total price per tonne which is ~$52,547,200 per tonne, and then I finally multiplied ~$52,547,200 per tonne by ~30,807.6 tonnes and got the total figure of&#8230;Drum roll please&#8230;.<br />
A measly $1,618,853,118,720. Still not enough to pay off the national debt.</p>
<p>so to recap the equation goes like this:<br />
$1,642.1 x 32,000 oz = $52,547,200 per T x 30,807.6 T = $1,618,853,118,720</p>
<p>Now the reason I bring up gold is that is the base of our monetary system here in the United(for the moment) States of America, that little peice of paper is supposed to represent an equivalant amount in gold, unfortunatly like was stated in the article, we have a &#8220;Fractional Reserve Banking&#8221; system so the amount of paper money we have is far beyond the limited supply of gold that is held in reserve and the amount of positive intrest (meaning the amount that the dollar is stretched via Fractional Reserve Banking) basically blows that number out of the water.</p>
<p>Just because we aren&#8217;t useing a trading and battering system anymore doesn&#8217;t mean that we still don&#8217;t, for lack of a better phrase, think about the chicken.</p>
<p>In other words we are still trading the chicken for the cow only the chicken is represented by a slip of paper that says One Chicken(one dollar). </p>
<p>The numbers I have given will of course fluctuate on a daily or even hourly basis but this is just my interpretation of todays numbers that I have found.</p>
<p>I hope that this makes sense to at least one person.</p>
<p>Sincerely</p>
<p>Mr. Universe </p>
<p>I am watching&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: SGT Saunders</title>
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		<dc:creator>SGT Saunders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 15:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lucas,
The United States didn&#039;t force you to give up your Empire.  India threatened to back the Japanese in WWII if Great Britain didn&#039;t agree to give the India independence after the war.  After the war, your own people punted Sir Winston and put the Labour Party in charge.  You did it to yourselves, buddy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucas,<br />
The United States didn&#8217;t force you to give up your Empire.  India threatened to back the Japanese in WWII if Great Britain didn&#8217;t agree to give the India independence after the war.  After the war, your own people punted Sir Winston and put the Labour Party in charge.  You did it to yourselves, buddy.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles La Rue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles La Rue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2012 19:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,

I&#039;me a retired aerospace system engineer.  I became interested in honest money and the Federal Reserve system thirty years ago.  This recent recession has fired up my imagination.  I believe that I&#039;ve come up with a win win solution.  Will you please look at my blog?  I&#039;ve love your comments.

https://sites.google.com/site/thegreatstatedivorce/


Sincerely,
Charles La Rue</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>I&#8217;me a retired aerospace system engineer.  I became interested in honest money and the Federal Reserve system thirty years ago.  This recent recession has fired up my imagination.  I believe that I&#8217;ve come up with a win win solution.  Will you please look at my blog?  I&#8217;ve love your comments.</p>
<p><a href="https://sites.google.com/site/thegreatstatedivorce/" rel="nofollow">https://sites.google.com/site/thegreatstatedivorce/</a></p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
Charles La Rue</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>America has already lost its AAA rating. it happened late last year</description>
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		<title>By: Gregory Heald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory Heald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 05:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me get this straight. The Federal Reserve is a Private Bank. We cannot audit there books. We borrow money from them when we need it, and they charge us interest on our own money. And they have the templates and can print our money whenever they want to? Is that about right?

ARE YOU ************* KIDDING ME! SCREW THROWING CONGRESS OUT OF OFFICE. JUST TAKE THEM OUTSIDE AND SHOOT THERE DUMB ASSES.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me get this straight. The Federal Reserve is a Private Bank. We cannot audit there books. We borrow money from them when we need it, and they charge us interest on our own money. And they have the templates and can print our money whenever they want to? Is that about right?</p>
<p>ARE YOU ************* KIDDING ME! SCREW THROWING CONGRESS OUT OF OFFICE. JUST TAKE THEM OUTSIDE AND SHOOT THERE DUMB ASSES.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Heald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory Heald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 05:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bankrupt the Bastards. Surely they are smart enough to cover for this event which happens all the time. The banks cover for it in the interest rates. The Banking Elite should have accounted for this. So screw them borrow all we can and stick it up there ass for a change. Be like the movie Trading Places. Bet Congress doesn&#039;t have the balls to pull this off!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bankrupt the Bastards. Surely they are smart enough to cover for this event which happens all the time. The banks cover for it in the interest rates. The Banking Elite should have accounted for this. So screw them borrow all we can and stick it up there ass for a change. Be like the movie Trading Places. Bet Congress doesn&#8217;t have the balls to pull this off!</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Heald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory Heald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 05:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes I have a thought. I am really good at what I do but, banking is not what I do. So, call me stupid but, it seems to me the simple soulution here is always the hardest one. Screw the banking elite like they have been screwing us for so long with a banking scam that has cost the US trillions and destroying the nation. Borrow all the money we can from the Federal Reserve while are credit is still good. Then pisss on them. Default on the loan. Simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I have a thought. I am really good at what I do but, banking is not what I do. So, call me stupid but, it seems to me the simple soulution here is always the hardest one. Screw the banking elite like they have been screwing us for so long with a banking scam that has cost the US trillions and destroying the nation. Borrow all the money we can from the Federal Reserve while are credit is still good. Then pisss on them. Default on the loan. Simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed you are wrong.

Debt can be bad and hinder growth but there are instances when lending can be good for growth.

Consider an entreprenuer that wants to build a factory that will take raw materials and add value to them transforming them into cheaper and better quality products for building stronger warmer drier homes resulting in health benefits.

The entreprenuer does not have the funds to proceed with the factory and so he borrows the money from the bank who has &quot;created&quot; the money through debt.  

It is quite possible that the debt be paid off over five years and the value added to the economy through increasing resources, making materials cheaper, promoting healthier homes is greater than the amount that was borrowed. 

The borrowing can stimiluate growth - not just by increasing the amount of money in circulation but by allowing investment of tomorrows funds today in a way that improves the value of both tomorrow and today.

Such borrowing can also go bad.  Lending on trends and overstimating the worth of an asset that one is lending against whether that be a tangible asset like a house or a promise of repayment.  When the debt goes bad it can put everyone in a worse position today and tomorrow.

Responsible lending promotes growth and is driven by a desire for mutual ong term benefit in which risks are carefully calculated and mitigated.  

Irresponsible lending promotes recession and is driven by short term selfish gain on both the part of the lender and the part of the borrower and a higher interest rate is the only mitigating factor of any perceived risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed you are wrong.</p>
<p>Debt can be bad and hinder growth but there are instances when lending can be good for growth.</p>
<p>Consider an entreprenuer that wants to build a factory that will take raw materials and add value to them transforming them into cheaper and better quality products for building stronger warmer drier homes resulting in health benefits.</p>
<p>The entreprenuer does not have the funds to proceed with the factory and so he borrows the money from the bank who has &#8220;created&#8221; the money through debt.  </p>
<p>It is quite possible that the debt be paid off over five years and the value added to the economy through increasing resources, making materials cheaper, promoting healthier homes is greater than the amount that was borrowed. </p>
<p>The borrowing can stimiluate growth &#8211; not just by increasing the amount of money in circulation but by allowing investment of tomorrows funds today in a way that improves the value of both tomorrow and today.</p>
<p>Such borrowing can also go bad.  Lending on trends and overstimating the worth of an asset that one is lending against whether that be a tangible asset like a house or a promise of repayment.  When the debt goes bad it can put everyone in a worse position today and tomorrow.</p>
<p>Responsible lending promotes growth and is driven by a desire for mutual ong term benefit in which risks are carefully calculated and mitigated.  </p>
<p>Irresponsible lending promotes recession and is driven by short term selfish gain on both the part of the lender and the part of the borrower and a higher interest rate is the only mitigating factor of any perceived risk.</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article seems to continuously claim that the only way to repay debt is to increase money.

What is debt and who do we owe it to?

Most of it is owed to the future.  The banks do not simply take that $100 and arbitrarily lend out $1000.  They lend against value whether that value be tangible assets or a realistic promise to pay based on a history of earning.

That $900 that is lent out represents value not just in existence today but also in existence over the coming years.  It is borrowed from the future.

We are effectively taking money from tomorrows expected wealth and spending it today.  

This can be disastrous if greedy lenders overestimate the value of tomorrows wealth.  Or if self entitled borrowers spend tomorrows money because they do not want to wait and save their money.

On the flip side lending out more money than actually exists right now can be extremely positive as it can fuel growth to an extent that was not otherwise possible.  If the lending is used to increase the amount of resources and significantly add value to the economy it can be a very good thing.  Thus lending can be very good if it increases the value of tomorrows economy by more than what was borrowed from it.

It is right to try to scare people but you need a call to action - people should ask themselves, am I borrowing productively?  Is your borrowing going to be used to directly add significant value to tomorrow&#039;s society or does your borrowing simply allow you to buy today what you want to pay for tomorrow?  You are the economy all of you.  It&#039;s easy to blame fatcats, bank owners, politicians, reserve bank or whatever but their power is only perceived power and they know it.  The real power has and always will lie in the hands of the people, most of them are just too fat lazy selfish and stupid to do anything about it.  Does that apply to you too?  Ask yourself that next time you want to buy something on credit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article seems to continuously claim that the only way to repay debt is to increase money.</p>
<p>What is debt and who do we owe it to?</p>
<p>Most of it is owed to the future.  The banks do not simply take that $100 and arbitrarily lend out $1000.  They lend against value whether that value be tangible assets or a realistic promise to pay based on a history of earning.</p>
<p>That $900 that is lent out represents value not just in existence today but also in existence over the coming years.  It is borrowed from the future.</p>
<p>We are effectively taking money from tomorrows expected wealth and spending it today.  </p>
<p>This can be disastrous if greedy lenders overestimate the value of tomorrows wealth.  Or if self entitled borrowers spend tomorrows money because they do not want to wait and save their money.</p>
<p>On the flip side lending out more money than actually exists right now can be extremely positive as it can fuel growth to an extent that was not otherwise possible.  If the lending is used to increase the amount of resources and significantly add value to the economy it can be a very good thing.  Thus lending can be very good if it increases the value of tomorrows economy by more than what was borrowed from it.</p>
<p>It is right to try to scare people but you need a call to action &#8211; people should ask themselves, am I borrowing productively?  Is your borrowing going to be used to directly add significant value to tomorrow&#8217;s society or does your borrowing simply allow you to buy today what you want to pay for tomorrow?  You are the economy all of you.  It&#8217;s easy to blame fatcats, bank owners, politicians, reserve bank or whatever but their power is only perceived power and they know it.  The real power has and always will lie in the hands of the people, most of them are just too fat lazy selfish and stupid to do anything about it.  Does that apply to you too?  Ask yourself that next time you want to buy something on credit.</p>
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