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	<title>Comments on: Obama&#8217;s Super Secret Treaty Which Will Push The Deindustrialization Of America Into Overdrive</title>
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		<title>By: novoice1254</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2013 05:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well with most of the comments I&#039;ve read here have this to say. Does any one know what the bible speaks about. That a great tribulation that has never happen in the history of mankind before mean. To put it in simple terms. What is about to happen is the last government to rule over mankind is going to appear on the world stage. But before this government can have full authority over the entire planet. There is going to be such tragic turmoil that it will shake men&#039;s core beliefs to their foundations in every sense. And unfortunately many lives will be lost due to this process. But there is real hope. Cause in the bible Jesus stated to those that are and were his followers and I am paraphrasing this. As you begin to see these things occur. Know that your salvation is close at hand. But there is a requirement a simple one at that. That is one must take in accurate knowledge of the one who sent him, and of Jesus Christ. But the responsibility of such a thing doesn&#039;t fall on some priest in a church. But on the individual themselves. Which makes a lot of sense. It&#039;s like anything else in life. One has to make certain the one giving the information is accurate and true. Cause if it&#039;s not the end result will be harmful to the one receiving the information. Also Jesus himself stated this as well. People will know that you are my true followers by the love you have amongst yourselves. That is the real IdentIfying mark of a true christian. The only place that I have ever seen that is at a meeting of Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses. Put it to the test and see it for yourself. Besides you may hear an answer to a question one might had have for a very long time. But if you don&#039;t go you&#039;ll never know for certain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well with most of the comments I&#8217;ve read here have this to say. Does any one know what the bible speaks about. That a great tribulation that has never happen in the history of mankind before mean. To put it in simple terms. What is about to happen is the last government to rule over mankind is going to appear on the world stage. But before this government can have full authority over the entire planet. There is going to be such tragic turmoil that it will shake men&#8217;s core beliefs to their foundations in every sense. And unfortunately many lives will be lost due to this process. But there is real hope. Cause in the bible Jesus stated to those that are and were his followers and I am paraphrasing this. As you begin to see these things occur. Know that your salvation is close at hand. But there is a requirement a simple one at that. That is one must take in accurate knowledge of the one who sent him, and of Jesus Christ. But the responsibility of such a thing doesn&#8217;t fall on some priest in a church. But on the individual themselves. Which makes a lot of sense. It&#8217;s like anything else in life. One has to make certain the one giving the information is accurate and true. Cause if it&#8217;s not the end result will be harmful to the one receiving the information. Also Jesus himself stated this as well. People will know that you are my true followers by the love you have amongst yourselves. That is the real IdentIfying mark of a true christian. The only place that I have ever seen that is at a meeting of Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses. Put it to the test and see it for yourself. Besides you may hear an answer to a question one might had have for a very long time. But if you don&#8217;t go you&#8217;ll never know for certain.</p>
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		<title>By: Ima</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ima]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Aug 2013 19:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Absolutely learn a second language, even if we are blessed to be speaking English, the most spoken language in the world!  You are right, Spanish and Chinese!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely learn a second language, even if we are blessed to be speaking English, the most spoken language in the world!  You are right, Spanish and Chinese!</p>
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		<title>By: milliedem</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jul 2013 14:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[O. is a snake in the grass and all his plans is to bring America down.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O. is a snake in the grass and all his plans is to bring America down.</p>
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		<title>By: peaceangel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[peaceangel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 07:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So you prefer he NOT advertise on his own blog to get the word out about the NWO?? 



IS that your point??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you prefer he NOT advertise on his own blog to get the word out about the NWO?? </p>
<p>IS that your point??</p>
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		<title>By: peaceangel</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 06:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Charlie---A conspiracy theory is nothing more than two or more people who go in search for the truth. Regarding conspiracy theories in the US it has many times been reported that 90% of them are true. This is a 200 year old agenda run by the Bilderberg families and they literally run the world. You can see that it came from two Nazi&#039;s from Germany more than 200 years ago on WIKI and the evolution of the Secret society of the Free Masons which the Bilderbergs were born into and then the evolution through the Illuminatti era and the Skull and Bonesmen which most of our presidents have been since our beginnings and most all the dinos in DC are Skull and Bonesmen and they are the puppets for the families. You can see the families listed on WIKI also. Good hunting and IF you can, leave the US and go to a more friendly and happy place and a place that is not the model for the NWO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie&#8212;A conspiracy theory is nothing more than two or more people who go in search for the truth. Regarding conspiracy theories in the US it has many times been reported that 90% of them are true. This is a 200 year old agenda run by the Bilderberg families and they literally run the world. You can see that it came from two Nazi&#8217;s from Germany more than 200 years ago on WIKI and the evolution of the Secret society of the Free Masons which the Bilderbergs were born into and then the evolution through the Illuminatti era and the Skull and Bonesmen which most of our presidents have been since our beginnings and most all the dinos in DC are Skull and Bonesmen and they are the puppets for the families. You can see the families listed on WIKI also. Good hunting and IF you can, leave the US and go to a more friendly and happy place and a place that is not the model for the NWO.</p>
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		<title>By: Fickle Finger</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jun 2013 01:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t have to be told to know I should buy American.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have to be told to know I should buy American.</p>
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		<title>By: RealityBetraysUs</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jun 2013 16:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In California most rents are 1000$ a month along the coast, 1200$ in bayarea, and only in depressed farm areas like Fresno or Salinas can you find 600$ a month apts.Cheaper rents can be found int Texas 500$ month, but what you save in rent you lose in electrical costs to pay for airconditioning try 80degrees in Dallas Tx during December.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In California most rents are 1000$ a month along the coast, 1200$ in bayarea, and only in depressed farm areas like Fresno or Salinas can you find 600$ a month apts.Cheaper rents can be found int Texas 500$ month, but what you save in rent you lose in electrical costs to pay for airconditioning try 80degrees in Dallas Tx during December.</p>
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		<title>By: Paladin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paladin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jun 2013 13:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Uhm ... NAFTA, et al use the WORDS &#039;free trade&#039;, but in reality are MANAGED trade. 

see this Primer as a jumping off point: 
WHAT IS FREE TRADE?
by 
RON PAUL

Mr. PAUL. Madam Speaker, I asked for this Special Order this 
evening to talk about trade. We are going to be dealing with permanent normal 
trade relations with China here soon, and there is also a privileged resolution 
that will be brought to the floor that I have introduced, H.J.Res. 90. The 
discussion in the media and around the House floor has been rather clear about 
the permanent normal trade status, but there has not been a whole lot of talk 
yet about whether or not we should even really be in the World Trade 
Organization.

I took this time mainly because I think there is a lot of 
misunderstanding about what free trade is. There are not a whole lot of people 
who get up and say I am opposed to free trade, and many of those who say they 
are for free trade quite frankly I think they have a distorted definition of 
what free trade really is.

I would like to spend some time this evening 
talking a little bit about that, because as a strict constitutionalist and one 
who endorses laissez-faire capitalism, I do believe in free trade; and there are 
good reasons why countries should trade with each other.

The first reason 
I would like to mention is a moral reason. There is a moral element involved in 
trade, because when governments come in and regulate how citizens spend their 
money, they are telling them what they can do or cannot do. In a free society, 
individuals who earn money should be allowed to spend the money the way they 
want. So if they find that they prefer to buy a car from Japan rather than 
Detroit, they basically have the moral right to spend their money as they see 
fit and those kinds of choices should not be made by government. So there is a 
definite moral argument for free trade.

Patrick Henry many years ago 
touched on this when he said, `You are not to inquire how your trade may be 
increased nor how you are to become a great and powerful people but how your 
liberties may be secured, for liberty ought to be the direct end of your 
government.&#039; We have not heard much talk of liberty with regards to trade, but 
we do hear a lot about enhancing one&#039;s ability to make more money overseas with 
trading with other nations. But the argument, the moral argument, itself should 
be enough to convince one in a free society that we should never hamper or 
interfere with free trade.

When the colonies did not thrive well prior to 
the Constitution, two of the main reasons why the Constitutional Convention was 
held was, one, there was no unified currency, that provided a great deal of 
difficulty in trading among the States, and also trade barriers are among the 
States.

Even our Constitution was designed to make sure that there were 
not trade barriers, and this was what the interstate commerce clause was all 
about. Unfortunately though, in this century the interstate commerce clause has 
been taken and twisted around and is the excuse for regulating even trade within 
a State. Not only interstate trade, but even activities within a State has 
nothing to do with interstate trade. They use the interstate commerce clause as 
an excuse, which is a wild distortion of the original intent of the 
Constitution, but free trade among the States having a unified currency and 
breaking down the barriers certainly was a great benefit for the development and 
the industrialization of the United States. 

The second argument for free 
trade is an economic argument. There is a benefit to free trade. Free trade 
means that you will not have high tariffs and barriers so you cannot buy 
products and you cannot exert this freedom of choice by buying outside. If you 
have a restricted majority and you can evenly buy from within, it means you are 
protecting industries that may not be doing a very good job, and there is not 
enough competition.

It is conceded that probably it was a blessing in 
disguise when the automobile companies in this country were having trouble in 
the 1970s, because the American consumer was not buying the automobiles, the 
better automobiles were coming in, and it should not have been a surprise to 
anybody that all of a sudden the American cars got to be much better automobiles 
and they were able to compete.

There is a tremendous economic benefit to 
the competition by being able to buy overseas. The other economic argument is 
that in order to keep a product out, you put on a tariff, a protective tariff. A 
tariff is a tax. We should not confuse that, we should not think tariff is 
something softer than a tax in doing something good. A tariff is a tax on the 
consumer. So those American citizens who want to buy products at lower prices 
are forced to be taxed.

If you have poor people in this country trying to 
make it on their own and they are not on welfare, but they can buy clothes or 
shoes or an automobile or anything from overseas, they are tremendously 
penalized by forcing them to pay higher prices by buying domestically. 


The competition is what really encourages producers to produce better 
products at lower costs and keep the prices down. If one believes in free trade, 
they do not enter into free trade for the benefit of somebody else. There is 
really no need for reciprocity. Free trade is beneficial because it is a moral 
right. Free trade is beneficial because there is an economic advantage to buying 
products at a certain price and the competition is beneficial.

There 
really are no costs in the long run. Free trade does not require management. It 
is implied here on conversation on the House floor so often that free trade is 
equivalent to say we will turn over the management of trade to the World Trade 
Organization, which serves special interests. Well, that is not free trade; that 
is a misunderstanding of free trade.

Free trade means you can buy and 
sell freely without interference. You do not need international management. 
Certainly, if we are not going to have our own government manage our own 
affairs, we do not want an international body to manage these international 
trades.

Another thing that free trade does not imply is that this opens 
up the doors to subsidies. Free trade does not mean subsidies, but inevitably as 
soon as we start trading with somebody, we accept the notion of managed trade by 
the World Trade Organization, but immediately we start giving subsidies to our 
competitors.

If our American companies and our American workers have to 
compete, the last thing they should ever be required to do is pay some of their 
tax money to the Government, to send subsidies to their competitors; and that is 
what is happening. They are forced to subsidize their competitors on foreign 
aid. They support their competitors overseas at the World Bank. They subsidize 
their competitors in the Export/Import Bank, the Overseas Private Investment 
Corporation.

We literally encourage the exportation of jobs by providing 
overseas protection in insurance that cannot be bought in the private sector. 
Here a company in the United States goes overseas for cheap labor, and if, for 
political or economic reasons, they go bust, who bails them out. It is the 
American taxpayer, once again, the people who are struggling and have to compete 
with the free trade.

It is so unfair to accept this notion that free 
trade is synonymous with permitting these subsidies overseas, and, essentially, 
that is what is happening all the time. Free trade should never mean that 
through the management of trade that it endorses the notion of retaliation and 
also to stop dumping.

This whole idea that all of a sudden if somebody 
comes in with a product with a low price that you can immediately get it stopped 
and retaliate, and this is all done in the name of free trade, it could be 
something one endorses. They might argue that they endorse this type of managed 
trade and subsidized trade; but what is wrong, and I want to make this clear, 
what is wrong is to call it free trade, because that is not free 
trade.

Most individuals that I know who promote free trade around 
Washington, D.C., do not really either understand what free trade is or they do 
not really endorse it. And they are very interested in the management aspect, 
because some of the larger companies have a much bigger clout with the World 
Trade Organization than would the small farmers, small rancher or small 
businessman because they do not have the same access to the World Trade 
Organization.

For instance, there has been a big fight in the World Trade 
Organization with bananas. The Europeans are fighting with the Americans over 
exportation of bananas. Well, bananas are not grown in Europe and they are not 
grown in the United States, and yet that is one of the big issues of managed 
trade, for the benefit of some owners of corporations that are overseas that 
make big donations to our political parties. That is not coincidental.

So 
powerful international financial individuals go to the World Trade Organization 
to try to get an edge on their competitor. If their competitor happens to be 
doing a better job and selling a little bit lower, then they come immediately to 
the World Trade Organization and say, Oh, you have to stop them. That is 
dumping. We certainly do not want to give the consumers the benefit of having a 
lower price.

So this to me is important, that we try to be clear on how 
we define free trade, and we should not do this by accepting the idea that 
management of trade, as well as subsidizing trade and calling it free trade is 
just not right. Free trade is the ability of an individual or a corporation to 
buy goods and spend their money as they see fit, and this provides tremendous 
economic benefits.

The third benefit of free trade, which has been known 
for many, many centuries, has been the peace effect from trade. It is known that 
countries that trade with each other and depend on each other for certain 
products and where the trade has been free and open and communications are free 
and open and travel is free and open, they are very less likely to fight wars. I 
happen to personally think this is one of the greatest benefits of free trade, 
that it leads us to policies that direct us away from military 
confrontation.

Managed trade and subsidized trade do not qualify. I will 
mention just a little later why I think it does exactly the 
opposite.

There is a little bit more to the trade issue than just the 
benefits of free trade, true free trade, and the disadvantages of managed trade, 
because we are dealing now when we have a vote on the normal trade status with 
China, as well as getting out of the World Trade Organization, we are dealing 
with the issue of sovereignty. The Constitution is very clear. Article I, 
section 8, gives the Congress the responsibility of dealing with international 
trade. It does not delegate it to the President, it does not delegate it to a 
judge, it does not delegate it to an international management organization like 
the World Trade Organization.

International trade management is to be and 
trade law is to be dealt with by the U.S. Congress, and yet too often the 
Congress has been quite willing to renege on that responsibility through 
fast-track legislation and deliver this authority to our President, as well as 
delivering through agreements, laws being passed and treaties, delivering this 
authority to international bodies such as the UN-IMF-World Trade Organizations, 
where they make decisions that affect us and our national 
sovereignty.

The World Trade Organization has been in existence for 5 
years. We voted to join the World Trade Organization in the fall of 1994 in the 
lame duck session after the Republicans took over the control of the House and 
Senate, but before the new Members were sworn in. So a lame duck session was 
brought up and they voted, and by majority vote we joined the World Trade 
Organization, which, under the Constitution, clearly to anybody who has studied 
the Constitution, is a treaty. So we have actually even invoked a treaty by 
majority vote.

This is a serious blunder, in my estimation, the way we 
have dealt with this issue, and we have accepted the idea that we will remain a 
member based on this particular vote.

Fortunately, in 1994 there was a 
provision put in the bill that said that any member could bring up a privileged 
resolution that gives us a chance at least to say is this a good idea to be in 
the World Trade Organization, or is it not? Now, my guess is that we do not have 
the majority of the U.S. Congress that thinks it is a bad idea. But I am 
wondering about the majority of the American people, and I am wondering about 
the number of groups now that are growing wary of the membership in the World 
Trade Organization, when you look at what happened in Seattle, as well as 
demonstrations here in D.C. So there is a growing number of people from various 
aspects of the political spectrum who are now saying, what does this membership 
mean to us? Is it good or is it bad? A lot of them are coming down on the side 
of saying it is bad.

Now, it is also true that some who object to 
membership in the World Trade Organization happen to be conservative free 
enterprisers, and others who object are coming from the politics of the left. 
But there is agreement on both sides of this issue dealing with this aspect, and 
it has to do with the sovereignty issue.

There may be some labor law and 
there may be some environmental law that I would object to, but I more 
strenuously object to the World Trade Organization dictating to us what our 
labor law ought to be and what our environmental law ought to be. I highly 
resent the notion that the World Trade Organization can dictate to us tax 
law.

We are currently under review and the World Trade Organization has 
ruled against the United States because we have given a tax break to our 
overseas company, and they have ruled against us and said that this tax break is 
a tax subsidy, language which annoys me to no end. They have given us until 
October 1 to get rid of that tax break for our corporations, so they are telling 
us, the U.S. Congress, what we have to do with tax law.

You say, oh, that 
cannot be. We do not have to do what they tell us. Well, technically we do not 
have to, but we will not be a very good member, and this is what we agreed to in 
the illegal agreement. Certainly it was not a legitimate treaty that we signed. 
But in this agreement we have come up and said that we would obey what the WTO 
says.

Our agreement says very clearly that any ruling by the WTO, the 
Congress is obligated to change the law. This is the interpretation and this is 
what we signed. This is a serious challenge, and we should not accept so easily 
this idea that we will just go one step further.

This has not just 
happened 5 years ago, there has been a gradual erosion of the concept of 
national sovereignty. It occurred certainly after World War II with the 
introduction of the United Nations, and now, under current conditions, we do not 
even ask the Congress to declare war, yet we still fight a lot of wars. We send 
troops all over the world and we are involved in combat all the time, and our 
presidents tell us they get the authority from a UN resolution. So we have 
gradually lost the concept of national sovereignty.

I want to use a quote 
from somebody that I consider rather typical of the establishment. We talk about 
the establishment, but nobody ever knows exactly who they are. But I will name 
this individual who I think is pretty typical of the establishment, and that is 
Walter Cronkite. He says, `We need not only an executive to make international 
law, but we need the military forces to enforce that law and the judicial system 
to bring the criminals to justice in an 
international
government.&#039;

`But,&#039; he goes on to say, and this he makes 
very clear, and this is what we should be aware of, `the American people are 
going to begin to realize that perhaps they are going to have to yield some 
sovereignty to an international body to enforce world law, and I think that is 
going to come to other people as well.&#039;

So it is not like it has been 
hidden, it is not like it is a secret. It is something that those who disagree 
with me about liberty and the Constitution, they believe in internationalism and 
the World Trade Organization and the United Nations, and they certainly have the 
right to that belief, but it contradicts everything America stands for and it 
contradicts our Constitution, so, therefore, we should not allow this to go 
unchallenged.

Now, the whole idea that treaties could be passed and 
undermine the ability of our Congress to pass legislation or undermine our 
Constitution, this was thought about and talked about by the founders of this 
country. They were rather clear on the idea that a treaty, although the treaty 
can become the law of the land, a treaty could never be an acceptable law of the 
land if it amended or changed the Constitution. That would be ridiculous, and 
they made that very clear.

It could have the effect of the law of the 
land, as long as it was a legitimate constitutional agreement that we entered 
into. But Thomas Jefferson said if the treaty power is unlimited, then we do not 
have a Constitution. Surely the President and the Senate cannot do by treaty 
what the whole government is interdicted from doing in any way.

So that 
is very important. We cannot just sit back and accept the idea that the World 
Trade Organization, we have entered into it, it was not a treaty, it was an 
agreement, but we have entered into it, and the agreement says we have to do 
what
they tell us, even if it contradicts the whole notion that it is the 
Congress&#039; and people&#039;s responsibility to pass their own laws with regard to the 
environment, with regard to labor and with regard to tax law.

So I think 
this is important material. I think this is an important subject, a lot more 
important than just the vote to trade with China. I think we should trade with 
China. I think we should trade with Cuba. I think we should trade with everybody 
possible, unless we are at war with them. I do not think we should have 
sanctions against Iran, Iraq or Libya, and it does not make much sense to me to 
be struggling and fighting and giving more foreign aid to a country like China, 
and at the same time we have sanctions on and refuse to trade and talk with 
Cuba. That does not make a whole lot of sense. Yet those who believe and promote 
trade with China are the ones who will be strongly objecting to trade with Cuba 
and these other countries. So I think a little bit more consistency on this 
might be better for all of us.

Alexander Hamilton also talked about this. 
He said a treaty cannot be made which alters the constitution of the country or 
which infringes any expressed exception to the powers of the Constitution of the 
United States.

So these were the founders talking about this, and yet we 
have drifted a long way. It does not happen overnight. It has been over a 
50-year period. Five years ago we went one step further. First we accepted the 
idea that international finance would be regulated by the IMF. Then we accepted 
the idea that the World Bank, which was supposed to help the poor people of the 
world and redistribute wealth, they have redistributed a lot of wealth, but most 
of it ended up in the hands of wealthy individuals and wealthy politicians. But 
the poor people of the world never get helped by these programs. Now, 5 years 
ago we have accepted the notion that the World Trade Organization will bring 
about order in trade around the country.

Well, since that time we have 
had a peso crisis in Mexico and we had a crisis with currencies in Southeast 
Asia. So I would say that the management of finances with the IMF as well as the 
World Trade Organization has been very unsuccessful, and even if one does not 
accept my constitutional argument that we should not be doing this, we should at 
least consider the fact that what we are doing is not very successful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uhm &#8230; NAFTA, et al use the WORDS &#8216;free trade&#8217;, but in reality are MANAGED trade. </p>
<p>see this Primer as a jumping off point:<br />
WHAT IS FREE TRADE?<br />
by<br />
RON PAUL</p>
<p>Mr. PAUL. Madam Speaker, I asked for this Special Order this<br />
evening to talk about trade. We are going to be dealing with permanent normal<br />
trade relations with China here soon, and there is also a privileged resolution<br />
that will be brought to the floor that I have introduced, H.J.Res. 90. The<br />
discussion in the media and around the House floor has been rather clear about<br />
the permanent normal trade status, but there has not been a whole lot of talk<br />
yet about whether or not we should even really be in the World Trade<br />
Organization.</p>
<p>I took this time mainly because I think there is a lot of<br />
misunderstanding about what free trade is. There are not a whole lot of people<br />
who get up and say I am opposed to free trade, and many of those who say they<br />
are for free trade quite frankly I think they have a distorted definition of<br />
what free trade really is.</p>
<p>I would like to spend some time this evening<br />
talking a little bit about that, because as a strict constitutionalist and one<br />
who endorses laissez-faire capitalism, I do believe in free trade; and there are<br />
good reasons why countries should trade with each other.</p>
<p>The first reason<br />
I would like to mention is a moral reason. There is a moral element involved in<br />
trade, because when governments come in and regulate how citizens spend their<br />
money, they are telling them what they can do or cannot do. In a free society,<br />
individuals who earn money should be allowed to spend the money the way they<br />
want. So if they find that they prefer to buy a car from Japan rather than<br />
Detroit, they basically have the moral right to spend their money as they see<br />
fit and those kinds of choices should not be made by government. So there is a<br />
definite moral argument for free trade.</p>
<p>Patrick Henry many years ago<br />
touched on this when he said, `You are not to inquire how your trade may be<br />
increased nor how you are to become a great and powerful people but how your<br />
liberties may be secured, for liberty ought to be the direct end of your<br />
government.&#8217; We have not heard much talk of liberty with regards to trade, but<br />
we do hear a lot about enhancing one&#8217;s ability to make more money overseas with<br />
trading with other nations. But the argument, the moral argument, itself should<br />
be enough to convince one in a free society that we should never hamper or<br />
interfere with free trade.</p>
<p>When the colonies did not thrive well prior to<br />
the Constitution, two of the main reasons why the Constitutional Convention was<br />
held was, one, there was no unified currency, that provided a great deal of<br />
difficulty in trading among the States, and also trade barriers are among the<br />
States.</p>
<p>Even our Constitution was designed to make sure that there were<br />
not trade barriers, and this was what the interstate commerce clause was all<br />
about. Unfortunately though, in this century the interstate commerce clause has<br />
been taken and twisted around and is the excuse for regulating even trade within<br />
a State. Not only interstate trade, but even activities within a State has<br />
nothing to do with interstate trade. They use the interstate commerce clause as<br />
an excuse, which is a wild distortion of the original intent of the<br />
Constitution, but free trade among the States having a unified currency and<br />
breaking down the barriers certainly was a great benefit for the development and<br />
the industrialization of the United States. </p>
<p>The second argument for free<br />
trade is an economic argument. There is a benefit to free trade. Free trade<br />
means that you will not have high tariffs and barriers so you cannot buy<br />
products and you cannot exert this freedom of choice by buying outside. If you<br />
have a restricted majority and you can evenly buy from within, it means you are<br />
protecting industries that may not be doing a very good job, and there is not<br />
enough competition.</p>
<p>It is conceded that probably it was a blessing in<br />
disguise when the automobile companies in this country were having trouble in<br />
the 1970s, because the American consumer was not buying the automobiles, the<br />
better automobiles were coming in, and it should not have been a surprise to<br />
anybody that all of a sudden the American cars got to be much better automobiles<br />
and they were able to compete.</p>
<p>There is a tremendous economic benefit to<br />
the competition by being able to buy overseas. The other economic argument is<br />
that in order to keep a product out, you put on a tariff, a protective tariff. A<br />
tariff is a tax. We should not confuse that, we should not think tariff is<br />
something softer than a tax in doing something good. A tariff is a tax on the<br />
consumer. So those American citizens who want to buy products at lower prices<br />
are forced to be taxed.</p>
<p>If you have poor people in this country trying to<br />
make it on their own and they are not on welfare, but they can buy clothes or<br />
shoes or an automobile or anything from overseas, they are tremendously<br />
penalized by forcing them to pay higher prices by buying domestically. </p>
<p>The competition is what really encourages producers to produce better<br />
products at lower costs and keep the prices down. If one believes in free trade,<br />
they do not enter into free trade for the benefit of somebody else. There is<br />
really no need for reciprocity. Free trade is beneficial because it is a moral<br />
right. Free trade is beneficial because there is an economic advantage to buying<br />
products at a certain price and the competition is beneficial.</p>
<p>There<br />
really are no costs in the long run. Free trade does not require management. It<br />
is implied here on conversation on the House floor so often that free trade is<br />
equivalent to say we will turn over the management of trade to the World Trade<br />
Organization, which serves special interests. Well, that is not free trade; that<br />
is a misunderstanding of free trade.</p>
<p>Free trade means you can buy and<br />
sell freely without interference. You do not need international management.<br />
Certainly, if we are not going to have our own government manage our own<br />
affairs, we do not want an international body to manage these international<br />
trades.</p>
<p>Another thing that free trade does not imply is that this opens<br />
up the doors to subsidies. Free trade does not mean subsidies, but inevitably as<br />
soon as we start trading with somebody, we accept the notion of managed trade by<br />
the World Trade Organization, but immediately we start giving subsidies to our<br />
competitors.</p>
<p>If our American companies and our American workers have to<br />
compete, the last thing they should ever be required to do is pay some of their<br />
tax money to the Government, to send subsidies to their competitors; and that is<br />
what is happening. They are forced to subsidize their competitors on foreign<br />
aid. They support their competitors overseas at the World Bank. They subsidize<br />
their competitors in the Export/Import Bank, the Overseas Private Investment<br />
Corporation.</p>
<p>We literally encourage the exportation of jobs by providing<br />
overseas protection in insurance that cannot be bought in the private sector.<br />
Here a company in the United States goes overseas for cheap labor, and if, for<br />
political or economic reasons, they go bust, who bails them out. It is the<br />
American taxpayer, once again, the people who are struggling and have to compete<br />
with the free trade.</p>
<p>It is so unfair to accept this notion that free<br />
trade is synonymous with permitting these subsidies overseas, and, essentially,<br />
that is what is happening all the time. Free trade should never mean that<br />
through the management of trade that it endorses the notion of retaliation and<br />
also to stop dumping.</p>
<p>This whole idea that all of a sudden if somebody<br />
comes in with a product with a low price that you can immediately get it stopped<br />
and retaliate, and this is all done in the name of free trade, it could be<br />
something one endorses. They might argue that they endorse this type of managed<br />
trade and subsidized trade; but what is wrong, and I want to make this clear,<br />
what is wrong is to call it free trade, because that is not free<br />
trade.</p>
<p>Most individuals that I know who promote free trade around<br />
Washington, D.C., do not really either understand what free trade is or they do<br />
not really endorse it. And they are very interested in the management aspect,<br />
because some of the larger companies have a much bigger clout with the World<br />
Trade Organization than would the small farmers, small rancher or small<br />
businessman because they do not have the same access to the World Trade<br />
Organization.</p>
<p>For instance, there has been a big fight in the World Trade<br />
Organization with bananas. The Europeans are fighting with the Americans over<br />
exportation of bananas. Well, bananas are not grown in Europe and they are not<br />
grown in the United States, and yet that is one of the big issues of managed<br />
trade, for the benefit of some owners of corporations that are overseas that<br />
make big donations to our political parties. That is not coincidental.</p>
<p>So<br />
powerful international financial individuals go to the World Trade Organization<br />
to try to get an edge on their competitor. If their competitor happens to be<br />
doing a better job and selling a little bit lower, then they come immediately to<br />
the World Trade Organization and say, Oh, you have to stop them. That is<br />
dumping. We certainly do not want to give the consumers the benefit of having a<br />
lower price.</p>
<p>So this to me is important, that we try to be clear on how<br />
we define free trade, and we should not do this by accepting the idea that<br />
management of trade, as well as subsidizing trade and calling it free trade is<br />
just not right. Free trade is the ability of an individual or a corporation to<br />
buy goods and spend their money as they see fit, and this provides tremendous<br />
economic benefits.</p>
<p>The third benefit of free trade, which has been known<br />
for many, many centuries, has been the peace effect from trade. It is known that<br />
countries that trade with each other and depend on each other for certain<br />
products and where the trade has been free and open and communications are free<br />
and open and travel is free and open, they are very less likely to fight wars. I<br />
happen to personally think this is one of the greatest benefits of free trade,<br />
that it leads us to policies that direct us away from military<br />
confrontation.</p>
<p>Managed trade and subsidized trade do not qualify. I will<br />
mention just a little later why I think it does exactly the<br />
opposite.</p>
<p>There is a little bit more to the trade issue than just the<br />
benefits of free trade, true free trade, and the disadvantages of managed trade,<br />
because we are dealing now when we have a vote on the normal trade status with<br />
China, as well as getting out of the World Trade Organization, we are dealing<br />
with the issue of sovereignty. The Constitution is very clear. Article I,<br />
section 8, gives the Congress the responsibility of dealing with international<br />
trade. It does not delegate it to the President, it does not delegate it to a<br />
judge, it does not delegate it to an international management organization like<br />
the World Trade Organization.</p>
<p>International trade management is to be and<br />
trade law is to be dealt with by the U.S. Congress, and yet too often the<br />
Congress has been quite willing to renege on that responsibility through<br />
fast-track legislation and deliver this authority to our President, as well as<br />
delivering through agreements, laws being passed and treaties, delivering this<br />
authority to international bodies such as the UN-IMF-World Trade Organizations,<br />
where they make decisions that affect us and our national<br />
sovereignty.</p>
<p>The World Trade Organization has been in existence for 5<br />
years. We voted to join the World Trade Organization in the fall of 1994 in the<br />
lame duck session after the Republicans took over the control of the House and<br />
Senate, but before the new Members were sworn in. So a lame duck session was<br />
brought up and they voted, and by majority vote we joined the World Trade<br />
Organization, which, under the Constitution, clearly to anybody who has studied<br />
the Constitution, is a treaty. So we have actually even invoked a treaty by<br />
majority vote.</p>
<p>This is a serious blunder, in my estimation, the way we<br />
have dealt with this issue, and we have accepted the idea that we will remain a<br />
member based on this particular vote.</p>
<p>Fortunately, in 1994 there was a<br />
provision put in the bill that said that any member could bring up a privileged<br />
resolution that gives us a chance at least to say is this a good idea to be in<br />
the World Trade Organization, or is it not? Now, my guess is that we do not have<br />
the majority of the U.S. Congress that thinks it is a bad idea. But I am<br />
wondering about the majority of the American people, and I am wondering about<br />
the number of groups now that are growing wary of the membership in the World<br />
Trade Organization, when you look at what happened in Seattle, as well as<br />
demonstrations here in D.C. So there is a growing number of people from various<br />
aspects of the political spectrum who are now saying, what does this membership<br />
mean to us? Is it good or is it bad? A lot of them are coming down on the side<br />
of saying it is bad.</p>
<p>Now, it is also true that some who object to<br />
membership in the World Trade Organization happen to be conservative free<br />
enterprisers, and others who object are coming from the politics of the left.<br />
But there is agreement on both sides of this issue dealing with this aspect, and<br />
it has to do with the sovereignty issue.</p>
<p>There may be some labor law and<br />
there may be some environmental law that I would object to, but I more<br />
strenuously object to the World Trade Organization dictating to us what our<br />
labor law ought to be and what our environmental law ought to be. I highly<br />
resent the notion that the World Trade Organization can dictate to us tax<br />
law.</p>
<p>We are currently under review and the World Trade Organization has<br />
ruled against the United States because we have given a tax break to our<br />
overseas company, and they have ruled against us and said that this tax break is<br />
a tax subsidy, language which annoys me to no end. They have given us until<br />
October 1 to get rid of that tax break for our corporations, so they are telling<br />
us, the U.S. Congress, what we have to do with tax law.</p>
<p>You say, oh, that<br />
cannot be. We do not have to do what they tell us. Well, technically we do not<br />
have to, but we will not be a very good member, and this is what we agreed to in<br />
the illegal agreement. Certainly it was not a legitimate treaty that we signed.<br />
But in this agreement we have come up and said that we would obey what the WTO<br />
says.</p>
<p>Our agreement says very clearly that any ruling by the WTO, the<br />
Congress is obligated to change the law. This is the interpretation and this is<br />
what we signed. This is a serious challenge, and we should not accept so easily<br />
this idea that we will just go one step further.</p>
<p>This has not just<br />
happened 5 years ago, there has been a gradual erosion of the concept of<br />
national sovereignty. It occurred certainly after World War II with the<br />
introduction of the United Nations, and now, under current conditions, we do not<br />
even ask the Congress to declare war, yet we still fight a lot of wars. We send<br />
troops all over the world and we are involved in combat all the time, and our<br />
presidents tell us they get the authority from a UN resolution. So we have<br />
gradually lost the concept of national sovereignty.</p>
<p>I want to use a quote<br />
from somebody that I consider rather typical of the establishment. We talk about<br />
the establishment, but nobody ever knows exactly who they are. But I will name<br />
this individual who I think is pretty typical of the establishment, and that is<br />
Walter Cronkite. He says, `We need not only an executive to make international<br />
law, but we need the military forces to enforce that law and the judicial system<br />
to bring the criminals to justice in an<br />
international<br />
government.&#8217;</p>
<p>`But,&#8217; he goes on to say, and this he makes<br />
very clear, and this is what we should be aware of, `the American people are<br />
going to begin to realize that perhaps they are going to have to yield some<br />
sovereignty to an international body to enforce world law, and I think that is<br />
going to come to other people as well.&#8217;</p>
<p>So it is not like it has been<br />
hidden, it is not like it is a secret. It is something that those who disagree<br />
with me about liberty and the Constitution, they believe in internationalism and<br />
the World Trade Organization and the United Nations, and they certainly have the<br />
right to that belief, but it contradicts everything America stands for and it<br />
contradicts our Constitution, so, therefore, we should not allow this to go<br />
unchallenged.</p>
<p>Now, the whole idea that treaties could be passed and<br />
undermine the ability of our Congress to pass legislation or undermine our<br />
Constitution, this was thought about and talked about by the founders of this<br />
country. They were rather clear on the idea that a treaty, although the treaty<br />
can become the law of the land, a treaty could never be an acceptable law of the<br />
land if it amended or changed the Constitution. That would be ridiculous, and<br />
they made that very clear.</p>
<p>It could have the effect of the law of the<br />
land, as long as it was a legitimate constitutional agreement that we entered<br />
into. But Thomas Jefferson said if the treaty power is unlimited, then we do not<br />
have a Constitution. Surely the President and the Senate cannot do by treaty<br />
what the whole government is interdicted from doing in any way.</p>
<p>So that<br />
is very important. We cannot just sit back and accept the idea that the World<br />
Trade Organization, we have entered into it, it was not a treaty, it was an<br />
agreement, but we have entered into it, and the agreement says we have to do<br />
what<br />
they tell us, even if it contradicts the whole notion that it is the<br />
Congress&#8217; and people&#8217;s responsibility to pass their own laws with regard to the<br />
environment, with regard to labor and with regard to tax law.</p>
<p>So I think<br />
this is important material. I think this is an important subject, a lot more<br />
important than just the vote to trade with China. I think we should trade with<br />
China. I think we should trade with Cuba. I think we should trade with everybody<br />
possible, unless we are at war with them. I do not think we should have<br />
sanctions against Iran, Iraq or Libya, and it does not make much sense to me to<br />
be struggling and fighting and giving more foreign aid to a country like China,<br />
and at the same time we have sanctions on and refuse to trade and talk with<br />
Cuba. That does not make a whole lot of sense. Yet those who believe and promote<br />
trade with China are the ones who will be strongly objecting to trade with Cuba<br />
and these other countries. So I think a little bit more consistency on this<br />
might be better for all of us.</p>
<p>Alexander Hamilton also talked about this.<br />
He said a treaty cannot be made which alters the constitution of the country or<br />
which infringes any expressed exception to the powers of the Constitution of the<br />
United States.</p>
<p>So these were the founders talking about this, and yet we<br />
have drifted a long way. It does not happen overnight. It has been over a<br />
50-year period. Five years ago we went one step further. First we accepted the<br />
idea that international finance would be regulated by the IMF. Then we accepted<br />
the idea that the World Bank, which was supposed to help the poor people of the<br />
world and redistribute wealth, they have redistributed a lot of wealth, but most<br />
of it ended up in the hands of wealthy individuals and wealthy politicians. But<br />
the poor people of the world never get helped by these programs. Now, 5 years<br />
ago we have accepted the notion that the World Trade Organization will bring<br />
about order in trade around the country.</p>
<p>Well, since that time we have<br />
had a peso crisis in Mexico and we had a crisis with currencies in Southeast<br />
Asia. So I would say that the management of finances with the IMF as well as the<br />
World Trade Organization has been very unsuccessful, and even if one does not<br />
accept my constitutional argument that we should not be doing this, we should at<br />
least consider the fact that what we are doing is not very successful.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like much of the information and data analysis on your blog but in this article, for example, one thing you do is very irritating, namely blaming it all on Obama or &#039;the Obama Administration&#039;. They are just the current crew working in the office but they are not the ones in charge. This is clear because macro-policy is unaffected by elections, political parties, individual Presidents or Ministers or whatever. The basic &#039;one-world&#039; (aka Money Power) agenda keeps grinding on, year after year. So stop using &#039;Obama&#039; as the subject in your sentences and use something like &#039;the Elite&#039; or &#039;the Money Power&#039; or something that isn&#039;t so misleading. Otherwise your readers will be inspired to vote for the opposing ticket next time but of course that won&#039;t make, as Nader rightly says again and again &#039;a dime&#039;s worth of difference&#039;. And it is articles in progressive blogs like yours which contribute greatly to this profound confusion/delusion on the part of most Americans in America, but also Westerners in general in each of their respective &#039;industrialized democracies&#039;, aka &#039;Money Power fiefdoms&#039;. Keep up the good work!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like much of the information and data analysis on your blog but in this article, for example, one thing you do is very irritating, namely blaming it all on Obama or &#8216;the Obama Administration&#8217;. They are just the current crew working in the office but they are not the ones in charge. This is clear because macro-policy is unaffected by elections, political parties, individual Presidents or Ministers or whatever. The basic &#8216;one-world&#8217; (aka Money Power) agenda keeps grinding on, year after year. So stop using &#8216;Obama&#8217; as the subject in your sentences and use something like &#8216;the Elite&#8217; or &#8216;the Money Power&#8217; or something that isn&#8217;t so misleading. Otherwise your readers will be inspired to vote for the opposing ticket next time but of course that won&#8217;t make, as Nader rightly says again and again &#8216;a dime&#8217;s worth of difference&#8217;. And it is articles in progressive blogs like yours which contribute greatly to this profound confusion/delusion on the part of most Americans in America, but also Westerners in general in each of their respective &#8216;industrialized democracies&#8217;, aka &#8216;Money Power fiefdoms&#8217;. Keep up the good work!</p>
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