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	<title>Comments on: Strategic Defaults: Is It Morally Right To Decide To Simply Stop Paying Your Mortgage?</title>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2011 01:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have found that bankers are among the most evil people on God&#039;s green earth. No one mentioned PMI. That&#039;s just outright theft. I have paid for 6 years now even though I am 54 yrs old and always have paid my bills. Never had a foreclosure, bankruptcy, bad credit, etc. I get a pension every month that covers the mortgage with no problem so it&#039;s not job sensitive. They still won&#039;t take it off my Fannie Mae mortgage.
I&#039;m thinking of using the PMI insurance I have paid for and walking away as well. As a member of the middle class, I&#039;m sick and tired of getting ripped off!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have found that bankers are among the most evil people on God&#8217;s green earth. No one mentioned PMI. That&#8217;s just outright theft. I have paid for 6 years now even though I am 54 yrs old and always have paid my bills. Never had a foreclosure, bankruptcy, bad credit, etc. I get a pension every month that covers the mortgage with no problem so it&#8217;s not job sensitive. They still won&#8217;t take it off my Fannie Mae mortgage.<br />
I&#8217;m thinking of using the PMI insurance I have paid for and walking away as well. As a member of the middle class, I&#8217;m sick and tired of getting ripped off!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 01:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well if you bought a house and you can pay for it, you should pay what you owe. It&#039;s human nature to take advantage of any situation so it don&#039;t surprise me that so many do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well if you bought a house and you can pay for it, you should pay what you owe. It&#8217;s human nature to take advantage of any situation so it don&#8217;t surprise me that so many do.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 10:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading these comments and articles about what is happening to everyday people in the USA is heartbreaking! The housing market here in Australia hasn&#039;t reached the USA&#039;s extremes, infact real estate prices here keep going up to the point we wonder how any of our children will ever afford to own one! However to say we are immune to foreclosures (we refer to them as repossessions)is out of the question. The Federal Reserve here keeps putting interest rates up, which makes is harder and harder for people who own their homes to keep them. But unlike in the USA, if our homes are repossessed by the bank, they fire sale them for whatever price they can get and the difference between what they sell it for and what the loan is for, that bank will follow you to the ends of the earth, for the rest of your life, until you pay them what you owe them!! That&#039;s well and fine when real estate prices are generally up, the gap isn&#039;t too bad, but say real estate prices begin to fall (which they are predicted to) there is where the problem is...owing 10&#039;s of thousands of dollars on a house you no longer own, and then you have buckleys of ever getting another loan until that one is cleared! Seems wherever in the world you live, banksters and the government have you screwed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading these comments and articles about what is happening to everyday people in the USA is heartbreaking! The housing market here in Australia hasn&#8217;t reached the USA&#8217;s extremes, infact real estate prices here keep going up to the point we wonder how any of our children will ever afford to own one! However to say we are immune to foreclosures (we refer to them as repossessions)is out of the question. The Federal Reserve here keeps putting interest rates up, which makes is harder and harder for people who own their homes to keep them. But unlike in the USA, if our homes are repossessed by the bank, they fire sale them for whatever price they can get and the difference between what they sell it for and what the loan is for, that bank will follow you to the ends of the earth, for the rest of your life, until you pay them what you owe them!! That&#8217;s well and fine when real estate prices are generally up, the gap isn&#8217;t too bad, but say real estate prices begin to fall (which they are predicted to) there is where the problem is&#8230;owing 10&#8242;s of thousands of dollars on a house you no longer own, and then you have buckleys of ever getting another loan until that one is cleared! Seems wherever in the world you live, banksters and the government have you screwed!</p>
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		<title>By: Survival Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Survival Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From a pragmatic perspective, I think if somebody is considering a strategic default, then he ought to do it sooner than later.

At some point, the federal government may bow to special interests and try to make it illegal to default -- and hold you liable for any and all losses even after you&#039;ve vacated.

-SJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a pragmatic perspective, I think if somebody is considering a strategic default, then he ought to do it sooner than later.</p>
<p>At some point, the federal government may bow to special interests and try to make it illegal to default &#8212; and hold you liable for any and all losses even after you&#8217;ve vacated.</p>
<p>-SJ</p>
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		<title>By: jox</title>
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		<dc:creator>jox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 22:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question of the title of the article is wrong. You can not mix moral and business in the same sentence. You do whatever is better for your interests, such as breaking a contract, while it is legal. It&#039;s the way companies and banks proceed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question of the title of the article is wrong. You can not mix moral and business in the same sentence. You do whatever is better for your interests, such as breaking a contract, while it is legal. It&#8217;s the way companies and banks proceed.</p>
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		<title>By: jeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jun 2010 13:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t seen ONE comment that mentions the MERS secret.  MERS is an invention of the financial industry, designed to facilitate the sale and transfer of commercial paper(mortgages) by avoiding the legal requirement of recording said transfers in the jurisdiction in which the property is located.

Mortgages are bundled, sliced-and-diced and sold as investments.  These investments circulate worldwide; possession of the note does not mean possession of the document of title(deed).

The legal result of this is two-fold.

1. Assuming the mortgage is paid off, the putative new owner is unable to record his ownership since he doesn&#039;t receive the original of the mortgage.  (S)he will never have clear title.

2. In many jurisdictions nationwide, courts are holding that entities initiating foreclosure actions must produce the mortgage, without which they have NO STANDING.  Deutsch Bank ran into this in Ohio.

This is called the &quot;Produce the Note&quot; defense.  Since the title is not clear, some courts have awarded title to the originator of the mortgage(buyer of the house).

A good start is at: http://chinkinthearmor.net/  
All this is easily found via search; try &quot;MERS&quot; and &quot;produce the note.&quot;

For those who debate morality, consider the payment of money to the originator of the loan who has sold the mortgage into the worldwide market for commercial paper.  After you&#039;ve finished making payments to the bank or whatever, the originator has been paid twice but the note is still circulating as a legal claim against you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t seen ONE comment that mentions the MERS secret.  MERS is an invention of the financial industry, designed to facilitate the sale and transfer of commercial paper(mortgages) by avoiding the legal requirement of recording said transfers in the jurisdiction in which the property is located.</p>
<p>Mortgages are bundled, sliced-and-diced and sold as investments.  These investments circulate worldwide; possession of the note does not mean possession of the document of title(deed).</p>
<p>The legal result of this is two-fold.</p>
<p>1. Assuming the mortgage is paid off, the putative new owner is unable to record his ownership since he doesn&#8217;t receive the original of the mortgage.  (S)he will never have clear title.</p>
<p>2. In many jurisdictions nationwide, courts are holding that entities initiating foreclosure actions must produce the mortgage, without which they have NO STANDING.  Deutsch Bank ran into this in Ohio.</p>
<p>This is called the &#8220;Produce the Note&#8221; defense.  Since the title is not clear, some courts have awarded title to the originator of the mortgage(buyer of the house).</p>
<p>A good start is at: <a href="http://chinkinthearmor.net/" rel="nofollow">http://chinkinthearmor.net/</a><br />
All this is easily found via search; try &#8220;MERS&#8221; and &#8220;produce the note.&#8221;</p>
<p>For those who debate morality, consider the payment of money to the originator of the loan who has sold the mortgage into the worldwide market for commercial paper.  After you&#8217;ve finished making payments to the bank or whatever, the originator has been paid twice but the note is still circulating as a legal claim against you.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Mowers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Mowers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jun 2010 09:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They created a system designed to take advantage of you financially and then when it failed, they made you pay for in increased taxes, lowered property values, crashed stock prices/retirements and inflation. Ever get bit by a dog four times and still say, &quot;he&#039;s a cute puppy?&quot; 

Wake up.

Right now banks and mortgage companies are getting federal tax dollars from selling mortgages at 100 cents on the dollar to the taxpayers. Every home that goes into foreclosure nets them a market-high profit. In clearer terms, they are selling you the inflated priced home mortgages from before the crash while driving down listed property values so they can buy in dirt cheap and profit from the market reversal. TARP is allowing the same people to get rich coming and going. The real questions are &quot;What are morals?&quot; and &quot;Does America have any?&quot; 

Do the people want an economic system that adheres to rigid structures? Anything that impedes the free flow of money in any direction will stifle economic expansion. Maybe we need a new concept of money and what money should be used for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They created a system designed to take advantage of you financially and then when it failed, they made you pay for in increased taxes, lowered property values, crashed stock prices/retirements and inflation. Ever get bit by a dog four times and still say, &#8220;he&#8217;s a cute puppy?&#8221; </p>
<p>Wake up.</p>
<p>Right now banks and mortgage companies are getting federal tax dollars from selling mortgages at 100 cents on the dollar to the taxpayers. Every home that goes into foreclosure nets them a market-high profit. In clearer terms, they are selling you the inflated priced home mortgages from before the crash while driving down listed property values so they can buy in dirt cheap and profit from the market reversal. TARP is allowing the same people to get rich coming and going. The real questions are &#8220;What are morals?&#8221; and &#8220;Does America have any?&#8221; </p>
<p>Do the people want an economic system that adheres to rigid structures? Anything that impedes the free flow of money in any direction will stifle economic expansion. Maybe we need a new concept of money and what money should be used for?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Blair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Blair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jun 2010 00:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee! A question in my field!

The question –whether to enter unto jingle mail -- concerns one&#039;s ideology, that paradigm of values that governs one&#039;s social behaviour. Now, without wishing to spark counterproductive emotional feelings, I must say that the average American&#039;s knowledge of &#039;communist&#039; or &#039;socialist&#039; theory is shockingly lopsided. Authoritarian communism was a disaster (no surprise there for anyone with a background in human psychology). However, libertarian communist theory (which is a &#039;step out&#039; from classical anarchism) would provide a clear answer to your question. H o w e v e r, I advocate a different model, &#039;tenurism&#039;: tenurism straddles classical &#039;non-communal property&#039; and &#039;communal property&#039; relations. (These are two technical terms from communist theory. Capitalism is non-communal. All forms of socialism are ultimately communal.) So, my &#039;straddle position&#039; is as follows: land and water – tenure. Whether you own or rent or whatever, stop paying, and start devolving your world. No government agency can defeat (evict) ANYONE from the house they occupy if there is any amount of solidarity in resisting the evictions.

I look forward to your comments.

Mark Blair, Rocky Gully, W.A., Australia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee! A question in my field!</p>
<p>The question –whether to enter unto jingle mail &#8212; concerns one&#8217;s ideology, that paradigm of values that governs one&#8217;s social behaviour. Now, without wishing to spark counterproductive emotional feelings, I must say that the average American&#8217;s knowledge of &#8216;communist&#8217; or &#8216;socialist&#8217; theory is shockingly lopsided. Authoritarian communism was a disaster (no surprise there for anyone with a background in human psychology). However, libertarian communist theory (which is a &#8216;step out&#8217; from classical anarchism) would provide a clear answer to your question. H o w e v e r, I advocate a different model, &#8216;tenurism&#8217;: tenurism straddles classical &#8216;non-communal property&#8217; and &#8216;communal property&#8217; relations. (These are two technical terms from communist theory. Capitalism is non-communal. All forms of socialism are ultimately communal.) So, my &#8216;straddle position&#8217; is as follows: land and water – tenure. Whether you own or rent or whatever, stop paying, and start devolving your world. No government agency can defeat (evict) ANYONE from the house they occupy if there is any amount of solidarity in resisting the evictions.</p>
<p>I look forward to your comments.</p>
<p>Mark Blair, Rocky Gully, W.A., Australia</p>
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		<title>By: Fred54</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is absolutely nothing wrong with 
walking away from a bank loan or evading 
taxes when the government no longer 
represents you. It a business decision to 
default on a loan. Corporations do it every 
day. There is no moral obligation involved 
unless it&#039;s a loan from an individual. 
Remember a bank doesn&#039;t loan you money. It 
extends you credit that it creates out of 
thin air. The credit costs the bank nothing. 
It&#039;s creates the credit and sets an interest 
rate. All new money that enters the economy
does so as loans at interest. The entire
system is a ponzi scheme and a fraud. A bank
loan is a tool for you to use to leverage
property or assets. You should never loose
a moments sleep if you screw a bank, I can assure you they don&#039;t loose any sleep when they screw you. The same goes for the government..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is absolutely nothing wrong with<br />
walking away from a bank loan or evading<br />
taxes when the government no longer<br />
represents you. It a business decision to<br />
default on a loan. Corporations do it every<br />
day. There is no moral obligation involved<br />
unless it&#8217;s a loan from an individual.<br />
Remember a bank doesn&#8217;t loan you money. It<br />
extends you credit that it creates out of<br />
thin air. The credit costs the bank nothing.<br />
It&#8217;s creates the credit and sets an interest<br />
rate. All new money that enters the economy<br />
does so as loans at interest. The entire<br />
system is a ponzi scheme and a fraud. A bank<br />
loan is a tool for you to use to leverage<br />
property or assets. You should never loose<br />
a moments sleep if you screw a bank, I can assure you they don&#8217;t loose any sleep when they screw you. The same goes for the government..</p>
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		<title>By: KingofthePaupers</title>
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		<dc:creator>KingofthePaupers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jct: Known as &quot;bank-fighter extraordinaire&quot; I used Christ&#039;s Parable of the Talents to defend victims of foreclosure in the 1980s. See the press from those days at my site. 
Like the rebel servant, they too offered to return the principal but repudiated the usury. Yes it is immoral to loanshark money causing a mort-gage death-gamble among borrowers for more than was printed. But interest-free community and social database currencies are on the rise and banking will soon be done on Earth as it is in Heaven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jct: Known as &#8220;bank-fighter extraordinaire&#8221; I used Christ&#8217;s Parable of the Talents to defend victims of foreclosure in the 1980s. See the press from those days at my site.<br />
Like the rebel servant, they too offered to return the principal but repudiated the usury. Yes it is immoral to loanshark money causing a mort-gage death-gamble among borrowers for more than was printed. But interest-free community and social database currencies are on the rise and banking will soon be done on Earth as it is in Heaven.</p>
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