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	<title>Comments on: The Number One Tool Of Financial Enslavement</title>
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		<title>By: Gary Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 17:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My blog is dedicated to walking away from this debt. Just consider it. Grab these banksters by the balls. There is no other way, but of course to stay out of debt in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My blog is dedicated to walking away from this debt. Just consider it. Grab these banksters by the balls. There is no other way, but of course to stay out of debt in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Flyer1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flyer1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 02:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Be a lender!</description>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 21:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank,

One of the keys to entering a profession such as law is to go to a city where you have decent chances.  I graduated from one of the most elite universities in the world ( I do not intend arrogance) and then moved to Orlando, FL. because my wife was there.  After much wrangling, I managed to teach some courses in the university, but have been told directly that I will never be hired, etc. I did not want that anyways. I tried to find other positions somewhat related to my area of study to no avail.  

I am saving money to move back to a metropolitan area. It should not be a problem to find something there.</description>
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<p>One of the keys to entering a profession such as law is to go to a city where you have decent chances.  I graduated from one of the most elite universities in the world ( I do not intend arrogance) and then moved to Orlando, FL. because my wife was there.  After much wrangling, I managed to teach some courses in the university, but have been told directly that I will never be hired, etc. I did not want that anyways. I tried to find other positions somewhat related to my area of study to no avail.  </p>
<p>I am saving money to move back to a metropolitan area. It should not be a problem to find something there.</p>
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		<title>By: Professor G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Professor G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 21:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If reducing your income means eating beans and rice for a year, then do it.  You will survive. C-7 is predicated on a income means test. If you are under the mean income, you will get the C-7.  You can be back on your feet creditwise in less than three years. 

Do the arithmetic and see if you can pay the unsecured debts in five to ten years. If not, then follow the plan I noted. Make your kids earn their way through university if that is on the horizon.  If it takes them five or six years instead of three or four because they have to work, then so be it. Actually, most higher education is a waste of time and money. However, I understand the role of status in the U.S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If reducing your income means eating beans and rice for a year, then do it.  You will survive. C-7 is predicated on a income means test. If you are under the mean income, you will get the C-7.  You can be back on your feet creditwise in less than three years. </p>
<p>Do the arithmetic and see if you can pay the unsecured debts in five to ten years. If not, then follow the plan I noted. Make your kids earn their way through university if that is on the horizon.  If it takes them five or six years instead of three or four because they have to work, then so be it. Actually, most higher education is a waste of time and money. However, I understand the role of status in the U.S.</p>
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		<title>By: Professor G</title>
		<link>http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/the-number-one-tool-of-financial-enslavement/comment-page-1#comment-5821</link>
		<dc:creator>Professor G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 21:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, as a political economist, I say make a five to ten year plan to pay off debts. The only reasonable debts are financed automobiles and a mortgage.  

It is not impossible, I am doing it. I have a credit card, but I don&#039;t use it. I got rid of all the other ones. 

Think strategically about bankruptcy. There is nothing immoral about it, if your calculations show that it is not possible to pay off unsecured debt within five to ten years. 

You have to know a little about judges and trustees perspectives on bankruptcy. The judge and trustee have a lot of power (minus modifying mortgage payments)and act completely on experience; i.e. a subjective assessment.  If you have run up debts for frivolous outings (casinos, cruises, etc.)you won&#039;t get off easy.  The truth is people do run into spats of really bad luck at some point in their life and judges know that. 

If you are in a really bad situation, take out a refi on your home and pay as much as you can off with it, provided you have equity. After that wait one to two years or right before the refi resets if it is an ARM, etc. Do not run up frivolous debts in the meantime.  I would prioritize the equity towards students loans first, your kids if that is the case, because these can never be discharged.  I would also try to pay the secured loans (auto) first.  An auto is indispensable.  After one or two years or if the ARM is about to reset, forclose the house and enter a Chapter 7. Prior to the filing of the chapter 7 reduce your income to the extent possible.  The C-7 will be predicated on the last six months average of your income. Yep, that is primarily what matters. If you make too much, then you are forced into a C-13.  A C-13 is hellish but better than being in perpetual debt. A

My advice is don&#039;t rush it, plan it. 

Times are going to get hard, you do not want to be in debt over your head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, as a political economist, I say make a five to ten year plan to pay off debts. The only reasonable debts are financed automobiles and a mortgage.  </p>
<p>It is not impossible, I am doing it. I have a credit card, but I don&#8217;t use it. I got rid of all the other ones. </p>
<p>Think strategically about bankruptcy. There is nothing immoral about it, if your calculations show that it is not possible to pay off unsecured debt within five to ten years. </p>
<p>You have to know a little about judges and trustees perspectives on bankruptcy. The judge and trustee have a lot of power (minus modifying mortgage payments)and act completely on experience; i.e. a subjective assessment.  If you have run up debts for frivolous outings (casinos, cruises, etc.)you won&#8217;t get off easy.  The truth is people do run into spats of really bad luck at some point in their life and judges know that. </p>
<p>If you are in a really bad situation, take out a refi on your home and pay as much as you can off with it, provided you have equity. After that wait one to two years or right before the refi resets if it is an ARM, etc. Do not run up frivolous debts in the meantime.  I would prioritize the equity towards students loans first, your kids if that is the case, because these can never be discharged.  I would also try to pay the secured loans (auto) first.  An auto is indispensable.  After one or two years or if the ARM is about to reset, forclose the house and enter a Chapter 7. Prior to the filing of the chapter 7 reduce your income to the extent possible.  The C-7 will be predicated on the last six months average of your income. Yep, that is primarily what matters. If you make too much, then you are forced into a C-13.  A C-13 is hellish but better than being in perpetual debt. A</p>
<p>My advice is don&#8217;t rush it, plan it. </p>
<p>Times are going to get hard, you do not want to be in debt over your head.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 20:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been in every conceivable financial situation that you can imagine except being deep in debt. I have had to go to credit to buy a set of tires in the early years. I am almost 75 yrs old now, have been saving very hard for about 10 years and have no debt and quite sum in my bank and credit union. I will not be able to spend my savings in this life time, so what have I accomplished? I don&#039;t owe that sucker of life at the financial institutions a single dime. Let me tell you it soes feel gooooood!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been in every conceivable financial situation that you can imagine except being deep in debt. I have had to go to credit to buy a set of tires in the early years. I am almost 75 yrs old now, have been saving very hard for about 10 years and have no debt and quite sum in my bank and credit union. I will not be able to spend my savings in this life time, so what have I accomplished? I don&#8217;t owe that sucker of life at the financial institutions a single dime. Let me tell you it soes feel gooooood!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Vulcan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vulcan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 19:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The debate is laudable on all fronts.  The biggest issue is how to attain a sense of perspective in order to make more rational decisions about the impending changes coming to us all.  Youtube has the entire Money MAsters series about the hisotry of central banking, fractunal lending going back three centuries.  I personally believe the book the 4th Turning by Strauss and Howe details the chronology best which traces the 80 to 120 cycle to before the Romans.  It continues today and is not within the power of anyone or any organization to prevent its march.  Educate yourself to what has been missing from the education of the masses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The debate is laudable on all fronts.  The biggest issue is how to attain a sense of perspective in order to make more rational decisions about the impending changes coming to us all.  Youtube has the entire Money MAsters series about the hisotry of central banking, fractunal lending going back three centuries.  I personally believe the book the 4th Turning by Strauss and Howe details the chronology best which traces the 80 to 120 cycle to before the Romans.  It continues today and is not within the power of anyone or any organization to prevent its march.  Educate yourself to what has been missing from the education of the masses.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 11:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was taught that in order to exercise critical thinking, it is important to examine the author - his credibility, biases, etc.  I think that Colin raises some good questions as to the background of this author.  Information shouldn&#039;t just be taken at face value, but rather considered in a thoughtful manner. Google &quot;critical thinking&quot; to understand my point.  I don&#039;t think anyone would disagree that it is a good idea to get out of debt.  I think that what Colin is questioning are some of the other claims that the author makes regarding the future of the US economy. Knowing the author&#039;s education and credentials would help in determining the validity of his claims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was taught that in order to exercise critical thinking, it is important to examine the author &#8211; his credibility, biases, etc.  I think that Colin raises some good questions as to the background of this author.  Information shouldn&#8217;t just be taken at face value, but rather considered in a thoughtful manner. Google &#8220;critical thinking&#8221; to understand my point.  I don&#8217;t think anyone would disagree that it is a good idea to get out of debt.  I think that what Colin is questioning are some of the other claims that the author makes regarding the future of the US economy. Knowing the author&#8217;s education and credentials would help in determining the validity of his claims.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 09:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I very much agree with this article and for sure to anybody who knows simple mathematics. My paycheck is not really that much, but after so many years of staying out of debt, I have much advantage over those who make debt as their only way to manage their household finances. Who says Credit cards are bad? I use them everyday, but i pay the full amount at the end of the month without paying any interest and it also earn points that are redeemable. Lenders or loansharks must be avoided as much as possible if you dont want to be a modern day slave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I very much agree with this article and for sure to anybody who knows simple mathematics. My paycheck is not really that much, but after so many years of staying out of debt, I have much advantage over those who make debt as their only way to manage their household finances. Who says Credit cards are bad? I use them everyday, but i pay the full amount at the end of the month without paying any interest and it also earn points that are redeemable. Lenders or loansharks must be avoided as much as possible if you dont want to be a modern day slave.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 03:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why pay your usurious loan off at all. I agree the house of cards is about to crumble. Bankers have lent credit out of thin air to the masses AND HAVE RISKED NOTHING..in the process. Stop making credit payments and use your newfound freedom right now to purchase essentials only. The world will soon be an as you used to know it place anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why pay your usurious loan off at all. I agree the house of cards is about to crumble. Bankers have lent credit out of thin air to the masses AND HAVE RISKED NOTHING..in the process. Stop making credit payments and use your newfound freedom right now to purchase essentials only. The world will soon be an as you used to know it place anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank the Underemployed Professional</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank the Underemployed Professional</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 17:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Student loans, which cannot be discharged in bankruptcy, have become a larger and larger part of people&#039;s debt.  A great many people face a challenge--if you want to have a chance of upward mobility you have to take on this student loan debt, but if you cannot find a career job in your field after you graduate, you could be saddled with that debt for decades.

The most egregious example of this problem right now is in the legal profession where law schools have been producing two or three times as many new lawyers as what the nation&#039;s economy can absorb for decades.  (Today the number is probably closer to 10x.)  Today, law school can easily cost $120,000-185,000 after adding $15,000/year for living expense onto the cost of tuition (which can be as high as $46,000/year at some places).  Since the vast majority of new lawyers will not find work in their profession but will be overqualified and unemployable in other fields (where hiring personnel will regard them as losers for not choosing to be rich lawyers), most of these graduates will be saddled with this huge amount of debt for decades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Student loans, which cannot be discharged in bankruptcy, have become a larger and larger part of people&#8217;s debt.  A great many people face a challenge&#8211;if you want to have a chance of upward mobility you have to take on this student loan debt, but if you cannot find a career job in your field after you graduate, you could be saddled with that debt for decades.</p>
<p>The most egregious example of this problem right now is in the legal profession where law schools have been producing two or three times as many new lawyers as what the nation&#8217;s economy can absorb for decades.  (Today the number is probably closer to 10x.)  Today, law school can easily cost $120,000-185,000 after adding $15,000/year for living expense onto the cost of tuition (which can be as high as $46,000/year at some places).  Since the vast majority of new lawyers will not find work in their profession but will be overqualified and unemployable in other fields (where hiring personnel will regard them as losers for not choosing to be rich lawyers), most of these graduates will be saddled with this huge amount of debt for decades.</p>
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		<title>By: born2trade</title>
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		<dc:creator>born2trade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 15:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And also i think the key question people should be asking is that who gets to print money and lend? The federal reserve, which is a privately owned enterprise, gets to print money out of nothing (except paper and ink) or in most cases, dont even need to print any physical money, but put in a few keystrokes in their system and automatically the banksters can lend these to you and they call this credit or liquidity. Once u borrow this thing that they created out of thin air u start paying interests to them and essentially becomes their slaves. Of cos, in order to be very successful like they are today, they will need u to borrow, therefore they will need to work with advertising companies and pr firms to create &quot;neceessities&quot; that are unnecessary so u get to use your credit card to buy these junks. this is the 21st Century slavery system, the idea behind it is really the same but dressed in new clothing thats all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And also i think the key question people should be asking is that who gets to print money and lend? The federal reserve, which is a privately owned enterprise, gets to print money out of nothing (except paper and ink) or in most cases, dont even need to print any physical money, but put in a few keystrokes in their system and automatically the banksters can lend these to you and they call this credit or liquidity. Once u borrow this thing that they created out of thin air u start paying interests to them and essentially becomes their slaves. Of cos, in order to be very successful like they are today, they will need u to borrow, therefore they will need to work with advertising companies and pr firms to create &#8220;neceessities&#8221; that are unnecessary so u get to use your credit card to buy these junks. this is the 21st Century slavery system, the idea behind it is really the same but dressed in new clothing thats all.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 05:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say that I think LaughingatU made a great point. If it weren&#039;t for the greedy lending practices of the pimps (excuse me, lenders) and their cronies in the media and goverment pushing the &quot;Credit is wonderful&quot; mantra, while keeping the masses ignorant to the fact otherwise, we wouldn&#039;t be in the predicament we&#039;re in. It seems getting a lot of something (interest) out of a little something (principal) is the entire goal, and to keep the masses ignorant to that fact is what allows it to continue. Does &quot;loansharking&quot; seem like a fitting term, only on a global scale? When one has to take loans to buy neccessities, while slaving away at sometimes more than one job, while others can be lazy and get government assisstance for doing nothing but sitting at home, something is wrong. Is not the janitor that keeps the hospital sterile, as important as the surgeon who works in the sterile environment, the janitor created? What would happen if all the garbage workers decided they couldn&#039;t do it anymore because they couldn&#039;t afford to live? I&#039;d hate to live in THAT city (happened before hasn&#039;t it?) People tend to forget little things like that because of this class separation that&#039;s nutured by this system. How many of you ask the janitor how they&#039;re doing with real interest? How many even acknowledge their existence? How many snub their nose like a god among a mere mortal? Thus is the fatal flaw of the &quot;free market&quot;, the lack of regulation, or should I say &quot;uncorruptable regulation&quot; when there is some attempt at it. When a tiny fraction control the majority of the &quot;money&quot;, it&#039;s bound to end badly. Greed, jealousy, envy, and pride, all are unstoppable beasts, unfortunately. Stock up on guns and precious metals and jewels. Move to the mountains. Grow your own gardens and raise your own livestock. Protect your family by any means neccesary. We might see another civil war in our lifetime. Gaping class divide was a big part of the first one. I hate to sound so dooms and glooms, but people aren&#039;t waking up from this nightmare, they&#039;re trying to fight in it instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say that I think LaughingatU made a great point. If it weren&#8217;t for the greedy lending practices of the pimps (excuse me, lenders) and their cronies in the media and goverment pushing the &#8220;Credit is wonderful&#8221; mantra, while keeping the masses ignorant to the fact otherwise, we wouldn&#8217;t be in the predicament we&#8217;re in. It seems getting a lot of something (interest) out of a little something (principal) is the entire goal, and to keep the masses ignorant to that fact is what allows it to continue. Does &#8220;loansharking&#8221; seem like a fitting term, only on a global scale? When one has to take loans to buy neccessities, while slaving away at sometimes more than one job, while others can be lazy and get government assisstance for doing nothing but sitting at home, something is wrong. Is not the janitor that keeps the hospital sterile, as important as the surgeon who works in the sterile environment, the janitor created? What would happen if all the garbage workers decided they couldn&#8217;t do it anymore because they couldn&#8217;t afford to live? I&#8217;d hate to live in THAT city (happened before hasn&#8217;t it?) People tend to forget little things like that because of this class separation that&#8217;s nutured by this system. How many of you ask the janitor how they&#8217;re doing with real interest? How many even acknowledge their existence? How many snub their nose like a god among a mere mortal? Thus is the fatal flaw of the &#8220;free market&#8221;, the lack of regulation, or should I say &#8220;uncorruptable regulation&#8221; when there is some attempt at it. When a tiny fraction control the majority of the &#8220;money&#8221;, it&#8217;s bound to end badly. Greed, jealousy, envy, and pride, all are unstoppable beasts, unfortunately. Stock up on guns and precious metals and jewels. Move to the mountains. Grow your own gardens and raise your own livestock. Protect your family by any means neccesary. We might see another civil war in our lifetime. Gaping class divide was a big part of the first one. I hate to sound so dooms and glooms, but people aren&#8217;t waking up from this nightmare, they&#8217;re trying to fight in it instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Hardwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Hardwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 00:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about this....Go out and lease yourself a nice, shiny new Jeep Grand Cherokee.  You get 5 years of payments of $600. You must not drive more than 60,000 miles in that time, or it&#039;ll cost you when your lease is up.  At the end of 5 years, you&#039;ve paid $40,000, you give the Jeep back to the dealer, (who then turns around and sells it for another $15,000) and:  YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO SHOW FOR YOUR PAYMENTS ON THE VEHICLE FOR THE LAST 5 YRS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about this&#8230;.Go out and lease yourself a nice, shiny new Jeep Grand Cherokee.  You get 5 years of payments of $600. You must not drive more than 60,000 miles in that time, or it&#8217;ll cost you when your lease is up.  At the end of 5 years, you&#8217;ve paid $40,000, you give the Jeep back to the dealer, (who then turns around and sells it for another $15,000) and:  YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO SHOW FOR YOUR PAYMENTS ON THE VEHICLE FOR THE LAST 5 YRS.</p>
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		<title>By: Dang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 00:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In slavement only by the u.s. gov. Paying there bills for many ears to come. An the only way out of this is to Call it quits now. A massive  default by the u.s. Gov. The people must all agree an make the gov default before they drain all the blood an what is left of america. This wouldnt be all that bad. If the gov defaults on it debts. Then no otgher country would invest in it an the gov would have to live within in its yearly means. An the economy would trive again no more debt to pay no interest either. All the land an gov offices be sold to pay the bills. Oh yes a masive down sizing of the gov.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In slavement only by the u.s. gov. Paying there bills for many ears to come. An the only way out of this is to Call it quits now. A massive  default by the u.s. Gov. The people must all agree an make the gov default before they drain all the blood an what is left of america. This wouldnt be all that bad. If the gov defaults on it debts. Then no otgher country would invest in it an the gov would have to live within in its yearly means. An the economy would trive again no more debt to pay no interest either. All the land an gov offices be sold to pay the bills. Oh yes a masive down sizing of the gov.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Em</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Em</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 15:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>20 years ago I ripped up my credit cards, payed them off and have lived debt free every since.

If I don&#039;t have the money to purchase something I need, then I save.  I never found I needed something so bad that I had to take out a loan. It really is that simple.

Debt is slavery.

I have been aghast at how the banks drummed it into our heads we needed to live in debt.  That everyone had to have a credit score.

The way I feel about banks and credit cards can not be printed here, but those words do start with F and S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>20 years ago I ripped up my credit cards, payed them off and have lived debt free every since.</p>
<p>If I don&#8217;t have the money to purchase something I need, then I save.  I never found I needed something so bad that I had to take out a loan. It really is that simple.</p>
<p>Debt is slavery.</p>
<p>I have been aghast at how the banks drummed it into our heads we needed to live in debt.  That everyone had to have a credit score.</p>
<p>The way I feel about banks and credit cards can not be printed here, but those words do start with F and S.</p>
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		<title>By: LaughingatU</title>
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		<dc:creator>LaughingatU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 16:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ummmmm........pay off debt? At this point it&#039;s moot, if the system is going to crash...why bother? What are they going to do? You&#039;ve already admitted that the greater majority are being manipulated into debt anyway so while I do not argue against personal responsibility at some point the entire arrangement exists because of the scheming of the very people who are owed. It&#039;s like telling a prostitute that since she agreed to work for a pimp for one year she&#039;s morally obligated to complete that commitment. LOL!!!!!! Yeah okay, hey everybody pay your debts, do the right thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummmmm&#8230;&#8230;..pay off debt? At this point it&#8217;s moot, if the system is going to crash&#8230;why bother? What are they going to do? You&#8217;ve already admitted that the greater majority are being manipulated into debt anyway so while I do not argue against personal responsibility at some point the entire arrangement exists because of the scheming of the very people who are owed. It&#8217;s like telling a prostitute that since she agreed to work for a pimp for one year she&#8217;s morally obligated to complete that commitment. LOL!!!!!! Yeah okay, hey everybody pay your debts, do the right thing.</p>
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		<title>By: saysaysay</title>
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		<dc:creator>saysaysay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 14:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aree with the article - lenders make money off borrowers who don&#039;t have it but want/need it. Live within your means to minimize your dependency on the lender.

Two key items that impact the borrower are interest rates vs. inflation. The borrower does not want to hold debt with escalating interest rates BUT debt is better to hold than money during times of escalating inflation.

Question is which will take precedence? Which will have the greater impact? What would be like death to the borrower is increased interest rates and deflation - not totally unrealistic in the current conditions.

The governments are no better than the average consumer. They are racking up debt at unprecedented rates. 

The problem is they are really less and less able to use monetary and fiscal policy to control the economic conditions (other than printing fiat $ ~ except for Euro nations who do not have their own currency which is why Greece was so screwed). 

So what is the result of printing more money? The postponment of inflationary pressures and/or interest rate hikes. Lenders come knocking at some point and the borrower has to come up with the money somehow - whether printing it from thin air or attracting new lenders by increasing interest rates.

Tricky to call what will happen b/c inflationary pressures are offset by deflationary pressures (foreclosures, joblessness). IMO interest rates will go up but will it be coupled with inflation or deflation???

As the article indicates, best to stay as liquid and debt free as possible. The future ain&#039;t so bright for shades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aree with the article &#8211; lenders make money off borrowers who don&#8217;t have it but want/need it. Live within your means to minimize your dependency on the lender.</p>
<p>Two key items that impact the borrower are interest rates vs. inflation. The borrower does not want to hold debt with escalating interest rates BUT debt is better to hold than money during times of escalating inflation.</p>
<p>Question is which will take precedence? Which will have the greater impact? What would be like death to the borrower is increased interest rates and deflation &#8211; not totally unrealistic in the current conditions.</p>
<p>The governments are no better than the average consumer. They are racking up debt at unprecedented rates. </p>
<p>The problem is they are really less and less able to use monetary and fiscal policy to control the economic conditions (other than printing fiat $ ~ except for Euro nations who do not have their own currency which is why Greece was so screwed). </p>
<p>So what is the result of printing more money? The postponment of inflationary pressures and/or interest rate hikes. Lenders come knocking at some point and the borrower has to come up with the money somehow &#8211; whether printing it from thin air or attracting new lenders by increasing interest rates.</p>
<p>Tricky to call what will happen b/c inflationary pressures are offset by deflationary pressures (foreclosures, joblessness). IMO interest rates will go up but will it be coupled with inflation or deflation???</p>
<p>As the article indicates, best to stay as liquid and debt free as possible. The future ain&#8217;t so bright for shades.</p>
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		<title>By: whoisbiggles</title>
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		<dc:creator>whoisbiggles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 01:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The difference between yourselves and a panhandler is access to credit (debt).

There are times in everyones lives when debt is essential, whether in be to buy a business, home, tools, work clothing, etc. In these instances debt is calculated risk that what you have borrowed to purchase will lead to a net gain in the longer run.

We live in times where far to many people have come to see access to debt as a right that requires no responsible action on there part. For them I feel no pity for the reckoning to come.

I personally believe in paying debt off as fast as possible because I don&#039;t want to waste my hard earned readies on interest payments.

But howabout promoting some personal responsibility - credit lenders do a job that needs doing - and if some moron wants to buy a (insert consumer object here) on credit because they can&#039;t wait until they have saved for it - well a fool and their money are soon parted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference between yourselves and a panhandler is access to credit (debt).</p>
<p>There are times in everyones lives when debt is essential, whether in be to buy a business, home, tools, work clothing, etc. In these instances debt is calculated risk that what you have borrowed to purchase will lead to a net gain in the longer run.</p>
<p>We live in times where far to many people have come to see access to debt as a right that requires no responsible action on there part. For them I feel no pity for the reckoning to come.</p>
<p>I personally believe in paying debt off as fast as possible because I don&#8217;t want to waste my hard earned readies on interest payments.</p>
<p>But howabout promoting some personal responsibility &#8211; credit lenders do a job that needs doing &#8211; and if some moron wants to buy a (insert consumer object here) on credit because they can&#8217;t wait until they have saved for it &#8211; well a fool and their money are soon parted.</p>
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		<title>By: tangel476</title>
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		<dc:creator>tangel476</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 22:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our monetary system is depended on new debt. If there is no debt and then there is no money.

If you do not understand this, then read a chapter from Jesse Ventura &#039;American Conspiracies&#039; 

http://www.scribd.com/doc/31999842/Wall-Street-Conspiracy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our monetary system is depended on new debt. If there is no debt and then there is no money.</p>
<p>If you do not understand this, then read a chapter from Jesse Ventura &#8216;American Conspiracies&#8217; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/31999842/Wall-Street-Conspiracy" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/31999842/Wall-Street-Conspiracy</a></p>
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