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The Police State Vs. Occupy Wall Street: This Is Not Going To End Well For Any Of Us

Right now, we are watching the early rounds of a heavyweight fight between two extremely determined opponents.  Occupy Wall Street has no plans of losing this fight and neither do law enforcement authorities.  Perhaps those running the show actually believed that raiding Zuccotti Park and more than a dozen other “Occupy camps” around the nation would end these protests, but that is just not going to happen.  Whatever your opinion of Occupy Wall Street is, everyone should be able to agree that this is one dedicated bunch.  They are absolutely obsessed with their cause and in response to the recent raid on Zuccotti Park organizers are calling for “a national day of direct action” on Thursday.  But if Occupy Wall Street protesters want to take things to “the next level”, they should not underestimate the resolve of the police state.  Over the past decade, the homeland security apparatus of the federal government has been slowly but surely turning this country into a “Big Brother” police state.  Today, our law enforcement authorities are obsessed with watching us, listening to us, tracking us, recording us, and gathering information on all of us.  We are constantly reminded that we live in a prison grid (just think about what they do to you before you are allowed on an airplane) and they are not about to put up with anyone challenging their authority or their control.  Have you even known parents that constantly feel the need to prove that they are “the boss” of their children?  Well, that is essentially what the homeland security apparatus in this country has become.  All over the United States, law enforcement personnel are taught that every American is a potential terrorist and they are actually trained to “act tough”, to bark orders at us and to not let anyone question their authority.  If Occupy Wall Street believes that it can get the police state to “back down”, they are sorely mistaken.  Hopefully everyone will cool off a bit as the temperatures go down this winter.  But if we do see a “cooling off”, it probably will not last for long.  As the U.S. economy continues to get worse, these kinds of protests are going to keep growing and they will become even more intense.  Eventually, mass civil unrest will cause the streets of many of our major cities to closely resemble war zones.  When it is all said and done, this is not going to end well for any of us.

The stunning police raid of Zuccotti Park at 1 AM on Tuesday morning made headlines around the world.  Protesters were hauled off, tents were cut down and garbage trucks hauled off the personal possessions of those that had been encamped there.  It was swift and it was brutal.

But it was just another in a long line of raids that we have seen over the past couple of weeks.  Occupy camps in Portland, Oakland, Chicago, San Francisco, Dallas, Atlanta and several other cities have also been raided.

There is an increasing body of evidence that these raids have been coordinated.  For example, Oakland Mayor Jean Quan recently made the following statement during a recent interview about the Occupy movement….

I was recently on a conference call with 18 cities across the country who had the same situation

Does anyone want to guess who was running that conference call?

Heidi Bogosian, the executive director of the National Lawyers Guild, is convinced that the recent raids were coordinated at the federal level….

“We definitely feel, especially in a movement like this that has arisen so quickly in a number of cities, that there will be a coordinated national effort to try and shut it down”

Someone probably thought that cracking a few skulls and cutting up a few tents would probably make the hippies go away.

Yes, that might have worked in 1991.

But this is 2011.  Whether you agree with Occupy Wall Street or not, one thing that should be clear to all of us is that these boys and girls are deadly serious.

In response to the recent raids, organizers have declared “a national day of direct action” on Thursday.

One of the “major actions” being planned is a “shut down” of Wall Street.

Of course that will not happen because thousands of law enforcement personnel will be dispatched to protect Wall Street if necessary.

But what does seem clear is that Occupy Wall Street seems determined to take things to the next level.

In this video, a wild-eyed protester can be seen making the following statement….

“On the 17th, we gonna burn this city to the ************* ground.”

Later on in the video, the same protester makes an even more inflammatory statement….

“No more talking. They’ve got guns, we’ve got bottles. They’ve got bricks, we’ve got rocks…in a few days you’re going to see what a Molotov cocktail can do to Macy’s.”

That is a very frightening statement.

As I noted the other day, one recent survey found that 31 percent of all Occupy Wall Street protesters “would support violence to advance their agenda”.

Let us hope that cooler heads prevail and that we don’t see outbreaks of violence.

If we do see violence in the coming days, it will just give law enforcement authorities an excuse to crack down even harder.

Up to this point, local law enforcement authorities have been advised to seek “legal reasons” for evicting Occupy protesters.

Since just about everything is illegal in America today, that has not been too difficult.  So far “zoning laws”, “curfew rules” and regulations that target homeless people have been used as justifications to evict Occupy protesters.

In New York City, Mayor Bloomberg has said that protesters can gather in Zuccotti Park, but that “the rules” do not allow them to have tents, sleeping bags or any sort of heavy equipment.

So will the protesters go along with this, or will this turn into a prolonged struggle over Zuccotti Park?

It is hard to say, but one thing is for sure – police all over the nation have already shown that they are prepared to use brutal force against these protesters in order to get their way.

We have seen tear gas used, we have seen pepper spray cannons used, we have seen rubber bullets used and we have seen flash-bang stun grenades used.

And they are just warming up.  When it comes to protecting “national security”, there is a vast array of technologies and weapons that law enforcement authorities have at their disposal.

Many Americans are cheering the crackdown on these protesters, but we all should remember that real people are getting seriously injured.  For example, just check out this photo of 84-year-old Dorli Rainey after pepper spray was blasted directly into her face.

Rainey and several other Occupy Seattle protesters are still in the hospital.

Ready for another example?

You can see video of a female Occupy Cal protester being brutally yanked by her hair right here.

How would you feel if that was you?

We all need to realize that these confrontations are not just a bunch of “fun and games”.

A lot of people have been sent to the hospital already, and this is just the beginning.

One of the key things that the American people will need to understand is that they don’t have to pick sides.

When law enforcement authorities commit atrocities, we should denounce them.

When Occupy Wall Street protesters commit acts of violence or vandalism, we should denounce them.

It would be nice if all Occupy Wall Street protests would be 100% non-violent.

It would be nice if the police would be reasonable and would carry out their duties with gentleness and respect.

But sadly, those things are probably not going to happen.

The civil unrest we are seeing now is only the beginning.

Things are going to get a lot worse.

If things keep getting escalated to “the next level”, eventually we will see martial law imposed in some of our largest cities.

Don’t think that it can’t happen.

The United States is increasingly becoming a very unstable place.

As America comes apart at the seams, this is not going to end well for any of us.

  • gary2

    regardless of what side of the issue one is on this should be chilling to all. The right of assembly/free speach is fundamental.

    As crazy as I think the tea baggers are they have every right to rally etc.

    This is scary

  • Mike S

    Things were going to end badly well before the Occupy movements began. Ron Paul is the only candidate who would end the military and financial insanity, Ron Paul 2012.

  • GreenMountain

    How do all of you Occupy protesters/supporters feel now?

    You feel real big threatening entire cities and stopping all traffic and commerce?

    You feel real big terrorizing little school children?

    You should all hide your heads in shame.


  • GreenMountain
  • Abia The Cat

    If the OCW people would protest legally, they would not be harmed lawfully by the police. But, they don’t. They trespass, trample, litter, act like beasts by defecating and copulating openly, and steal. And they are spreading communicable diseases, too. They are so unorganized that women and children have been raped at their illegal camp ins. The police are there to stop them from committing even more crimes. If the OCW people would behave themselves, protest peacefully, clean up behind themselves, and go home at sunset then the police can’t touch them legally. Fat chance these OCW people will behave respectively towards the business owners whose stores they are blocking.

  • tappedops

    To MikeS…

    Are you kidding dude,,, Ron Paul???

    sorry… yes… RP12

  • Forte

    Peaceful protest will never work in this country.

  • Matty

    I have been thinking that although I do not agree with the OWS crowd, they still have a right to assemble. I know that they are not perfect with crimes and filth, but still as Americans, they have the right. I am concerned when I hear people of the right putting the OWS down. Yes, they should be arrested if they are breaking laws.

  • 99%

    But i ask all you Americans pro and anti occupy wall street, why did it take a Canadian activist to initiate the movement on your behalf?
    Do any of you on here even know that it started with Canadians?
    The Canadian activist group Adbusters started the protests which is now a worldwide movement (not just in the United States).
    The protests are focused on social and economic inequality, high unemployment, greed, as well as corruption.
    The protesters’ slogan We are the 99% refers to the growing difference in wealth in the U.S. between the wealthiest 1% and the rest of the population.

  • Suetonious

    This has all the smelly trappings of an arranged sucker punch. The Tea Party was just too wimpy to get any kind of riots going. So the OWS was served right up to fit the bill. Remember how Obama and other slimeball clowns gave their Good Housekeeping Seals of Approval to the OWS movement? As if they couldn’t look three inches beyond their Pinochio noses to see exactly what would happen next.

    Yeppers, we get swelling crowds of Obama “ChangeNiks” and other braindead types that thought it was like the 60’s all over again, even though they weren’t around back then but thought “4 Dead in Ohio” was a pretty hip song and dang!!, they could one-up their parents’ generation, many of which are comfortably birthed in the upper floors of Wall Street themselves. Those particular “Hippies” discovered the drug called “Money” a long time ago, and spoiled self-indulgence knew no boundaries when it came time to abandon their dedication to “like the principles of Mao, ‘nd shit..”, along with the puntang, weed and coke (reluctantly and only mininally). I’m old enough to see and document the disgusting hypocrisy of this particular crop of the financial minions that have been milking our country for decades, if not centuries.

    Anyway, where was I? OK, so OWS gets all swelled up with the types of idiots that would be encouraged by the likes of Obama and Soros, and they go right out and piss off mainstream Sheepeville with their basic dipshitivity.

    But do you hear any comments lately from Obama to tamp it down a bit? You think that’s a mistake? An oversight? A glitch in his Teleprompter?


    Unfettered, the OWS just gets more childishly obnoxious, day by day. So, by the time the Storm Troopers come to connect their Swastika-emblazoned batons with the heads of the Woodstock Redux wannabe’s – all of Sheepeville Amerika jumps to their feet with a resounding “Ya Vol Dudes!”, as the FEMA camps celebrate Opening Day for Open Season on ALL Dissenters.

    Amerika is so easily played.

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  • Paul Trombley

    “The civil unrest we are seeing now is only the beginning.”

    Thus far, Occupy Chicago has been rather feeble, but last night at about 5:45, I encountered hundreds and hundreds of protesters marching north on La Salle Street just north of the FRB of Chicago. They weren’t on the sidewalk, as they normally are, but right down the middle of the street, from curb to curb. Anticapitalistic sentiment, of course, was running high, and some fool even handed me a flier about “A Revolutionary Communist Message to the ‘Occupy’ Movement” from the Progressive Labor Party.

    Now that winter is upon us, the protesters will have time to contemplate the many shortcomings of their ugly, spiteful movement and to make plans for next spring. Of course, the NATO & G8 summits next May in Chicago are likely to attract thousands of people from around the country, perhaps Canada, too. If there is conflict, Occupy will sprout again elsewhere, although it seems like a foregone conclusion that this would happen anyway, even without the summits. So conflict in Chicago will embolden protesters elsewhere. I would be suprised if we didn’t seem something like the massive protests that afflicted London last spring.

    It should be interesting to watch. A problem is that it’s also an election year, and the Democrats will be concerned about getting out the vote. So Occupy’s pressure will make Democrats act as if they are more sympathatic to socialism and, perhaps, to be more socialistic, too. A further complication is that the Republicans, too, are police state thugs, and they pay only lip service to freedom.

    Result: American government becomes more overbearing and more fascistic.

    • Dude

      You’re to moronic to even evicit a reply.

  • The Obama Timeline author

    There is a difference between the right to free speech and pushing an elderly woman down the stairs, blocking the exits of a convention center, and stopping traffic with an infant in a stroller (Occupy D.C., November 4).

    Te right to free speech does not include trashing the restrooms of nearby businesses and camping in public parks.

  • http://ecocollapse Manchester Mick

    If I hadn’t seen such riches, I could live with being with being poor.
    Oh sit down
    Sit down next to me
    Sit down, down, down, down, down
    In sympathy
    JAMES 90’s

  • Calm

    If 99 percent of the population has not enjoyed a real wage increase for the past 20 years but the 1 percent has enjoyed a wealth increase, then I think that the 1 percent should be taking the austerity hit and not the folks who gained zip-all in the past 20 years.

    And worse …. We have recently realized that the economic activity over the past 20 years was built upon a fraud. (Toxic Assets)

    Thus; any wealth which the 1 percent accumulated over the past 20 years was obtained by fraudulent means.

    The 1% gained their wealth by the crime of fraud and I think this wealth should be seized in the same way we treat drug dealers and prostitutes who live off the avails of a crime.

    It anger on the streets is so bad that the politicians can’t even hold a townhall meeting. They are all hiding out in TV-Land with endless fake debates, and where the 1% make the rules for how the debate questions are formulated and/or asked.

    The Occupy Movement needs to use the media to accomplish their goals.

    Yesterday, CNN (Cafferty) deliberately selected and read an e-Mail where the writer called the Occupy Movement the “Flea Bag” Movement.

    Well …. The Occupy Movement must name the advertiser just prior this segment and just following the segment and encourage it’s followers to contact the product company and detail their distain.

    The Occupy Movement must create a blog where the “1% Products” can be listed and to shame anybody who might be seen with this product in their home.


    The 1% must be made too ashamed to be seen on the street and to be seen enjoying their excessive wealth. In a sense, the 1% must be shamed simply because they “Smell” of wealth. (In the same way as the 1% claimed that the Lower Class smelled horribly after days occupying a tent and a park.)

    Let the 1% own and earn as much money as they want …. but don’t let them enjoy it. Encourage the 1% to stay at home and count their wealth, but never be allowed to enjoy it.




  • Kenn Space

    Dear Reader,

    I feel there will be a lot of people trying to make “occupy” look bad. I live in a rural area were the tag line could be; “No change is good change”. – (It’s like living in the Midwest in the Olympic mountains). I grew up in Littleton Colorado were the idea of “normal” fits on the head of a pin. (Very small..) It is where “bullying” got it’s definition; Columbine. (Corporate religion is a real thing, otherwise,, how do you get someone who has lost their job to say; “protect the rich”; It is all about bullying. You would not want that unemployed person saying; “give me some of that money”.). Bullies are everywhere, I try to ignore them, it is one way I use ignorance, to protect my self. There will be a lot of ignorant bullies trying to make “occupy” look bad, so I will do the same thing; I will ignore them!

    Dear Seattle Mayor McGinn,

    Did you see were the retired Police Chief of Philadelphia got arrested at occupy NY? He called the NY City police; “‘obnoxious, arrogant and ignorant’”. Now the NYC Police and the Seattle Police have something in common! Please get your officers to respect people and knock off the pepper spray free for all. This occupation movement has just begun, and if the City of Seattle and their police treat them as they have, you are setting up a terrible mess.



    Dear Mr. President,

    There is a very large demonstration being planned for January 20th, 2012 at the Federal Courthouse at 700 Stewart street in Seattle, – and at every Federal Courthouse in the United States.. There are many groups organizing and “gearing up” for this demonstration. I will be promoting and advertising it. This “occupy movement” has only just begun. I suggest you figure out your plan of action and response; The rules of engagement; – Need a way better understanding of what is going on; – than during WTO in Seattle. Treat the people like they are the enemy, and they will become it

    I feel the occupy movement does have a basic underlying message; Stop letting money decide political elections; And regulate corporate lobbying (and all lobbying) making it a public forum. Right now lobbying is mostly two old white guys sitting across from each other in an office. “They” have probably worked with each other or went to the same school; And “they” have promised you a job when you get out of politics, — tripling your present salary!. The “lobbyist” used to be a “politician”, it worked for him!. Who owns who? – That’s a “Person-hood”.

    “I” was at the WTO protests in Seattle Washington, (with thousands of “other” really awesome “people”, and a few “freaks”) when a bunch of “anarchists” started busting windows with crowbars. We surrounded them, and they got in a circle with their crowbars. I tried to get the “Seattle police” to come arrest “these anarchists”, that were only fifty feet away and threatening violence and breaking windows… The “Seattle police” would not budge from their “police line”, making all of “us” the “enemy”…. (There were thousands of “union” and “other” people sitting and standing in the street, – it was a relatively peaceful protest until the windows started breaking…). ” I” am not the “enemy”.

    I will be in Seattle at 700 Stewart street at the Federal courthouse January 20th, 2012!!! I know we can do this better than last time.

    The Corporate Occupation of the United States

    Our corporate controlled government (through corporate lobbying and election funding ) is out of the peoples control. People want government control back. Makes sense to me… I feel US corporate capitalism (corporatism) is a type of economic fascism: To have a corporate being where the chain of command eventually muddles all responsibility to any human being. These corporate beings are running your life, and controlling your government. (Enough to really make an individual mad and protest.) In reality, the corporate being does not exist, and when it comes to face it’s corporate responsibility, it is a piece of paper. (Or a CEO saying; “I do not recall that”, “I did not have that information”, “that was not my responsibility, I was running the company, and not just that department”,,, and on and on. It has bred a corporate culture of abuse, because they keep getting away with it..), Corporate person-hood is plain and simply wrong: A corporation is not a human being. Restore capitalism to individual responsible chains of command, or this struggle will be lost.

    Please Sign the petition to amend the Constitution for revoking corporate personhood at:

    (I feel January 20th, 2012: will be a bigger day in US history than WTO in Seattle. The battle continues, rage against the machine is real.)

    January 20, 2012 – Move to Amend Occupies the Courts!

    Move To Amend is planning bold action to mark this date — Occupy the Courts — a one day occupation on Friday January 20, 2012, of the Federal Courts, including the Supreme Court of the United States and as many of the 89 U.S. District Court Buildings as we can. (I am inspired by Doctor Martin Luther King who said; “a true revolution of values”, … “there comes a time when silence is betrayal”., “people are not gonna be silenced”.). Move to Amend will lead the charge on the judiciary which created — and continues to expand — corporate personhood rights.

    It’s Time to GET MONEY OUT of politics
    Bailouts. War. Unemployment. Our government is bought, and we’re angry. Now, we’re turning our anger into positive action. By signing this petition, you are joining our campaign to get money out of politics. Our politicians won’t do this. But we will. We will become an unrelenting, massive organized wave advocating a Constitutional amendment to get money out of politics.

    Please sign the petition!

    Occupy The Courts – January 20th, 2012

    There is a meeting Saturday December 3rd, 2011, from 2:00 pm to 5:30 pm at the Capitol Hill library branch at 425 Harvard Ave. E., in Seattle. This meeting is for the demonstration being planned January 20th, 2012; at the Federal Courthouse at 700 Stewart street in Seattle. ( People and organizations involved, permits, porta potties, promotion, organizing, staging, sound, event speakers, entertainment, first aid, water, and stuff.)..The meeting room is reserved and holds 50 people and I would love to fill it up! Please inform interested people and organizations!) (This event is not sponsored by the Seattle public Library. )

    I have done this before and want to progress this demonstration, and the reform of our government. (I have done the permits, porta potties and stuff before, but will be looking for someone who lives in Seattle to do this one. It will make more sense to elected officials that a “constituent” Seattle citizen is doing this. I will help pay for things but probably cannot afford to do it all.).

    Please help distribute this information to interested groups and people. I feel the unions, democratic party, republican party, churches, student groups, and “others” need to be informed this is happening. Please help communicate this meeting and demonstration in Seattle! If you can get this event posted to any community events calendars – that would help!

    My friend and I put on a protest in Olympia for World Can’t Wait Oct. 5, 2006 at the capitol. Here are some photos…

    I also coordinated and promoted a protest in Bellevue when Bush was there.

    Happy to say both worked out without arrest, injury or property damage! I worked with the Washington State Patrol in Olympia, and Bellevue Police beforehand, and we pretty much understood the rules of engagement. Medina police were not good partners..

  • Auntiegrav

    Milwaukee police chief said, “Fine. If you want to sit on the overpass and freeze your butts off, enjoy. I’ve got communities that need my people and crimes to handle.”

  • Maximus Hardwoodius

    Frankly, I’m amazed the the OWS protesters have
    managed to remain as peaceful as they have. I
    see pictures of students sitting in rows,
    covering their faces, while some fat mouth-
    breather walks along nonchalantly spraying pepper
    spray into their mouths.

    I am also amazed that they have the gumption to
    stand up the MAN and demand change. When I was
    21, I had just gotten out of the Marine Corps,
    and all I cared about was chasing the ladies.
    That meant getting a job. I drank a lot of
    beer, and even (GASP!) did a line once in a

    I didn’t really “wake up” until maybe about a
    year or so ago, and I’m (GASP!) 53 years old.
    I have been blessed with the time, and the
    Internet, and have spent the last 5 years
    discovering all the things that I had no clue
    about growing up.

    These people are the future of our country,
    for chrissakes. They don’t have a clue about
    all the REAL reasons the world is collapsing
    (fraud, grift, corruption, greed, no rule-of
    law, you name it…) because their young
    brains haven’t had time to sort it all out…
    it’s all they can do take care of the basic
    requirements to just survive.

    It’s people like us, who ARE AWAKE, and who
    realize just what it is that these kids are
    ‘intuitively sensing’, if you will, that need
    no stand up! Right now is THE tipping point.
    I fear, if we don’t take this chance to really
    make structural change, then, it’s all over.
    Orwell, hallowed be thy name. In a couple of
    hundred years, the planet will look like the
    one from the movie Stargate (the original one
    with MY MAN, Curt Russell!). It’ll be a wind-
    blown sandbox, with generic, homogenous-looking
    inhabitants barely able to scratch out a
    living, probably living next to our modern-
    day garbage dumps, mining them for plastic,
    metals and anything else they can find to
    scratch out a living. There will be the
    1%, ruling from ‘above’, there will be the
    JackBooted Thugs, and, well, the rest of us.

    (Just try to tax my festivus pole! I dare ya!)

  • Orange Jean

    Some people in this thread and others have commented that the OWS movement is about their/”our” sons and daughters and we ought to support the protesters because of that.

    I do not agree with that approach, but I can understand how frustrating it is for someone just out of school to find their first job – especially in a tough economy. I work with a good many “young people” and have seen many cases where people shoot themselves in the foot, mainly due to a bad attitude. In a time of scarce jobs, this is not going to help you.

    So, here is my advice for young people looking for professional work – especially that first job (and helpful suggestions for their parents, on what to encourage them to do):

    Realistically, job skills are important. Depending on the field you are interested in, you may need a college degree (of a particular type), you may even need a graduate degree but normally this is only enough to get you considered, not necessarily hired. Read on…

    Computer and writing skills are a requirement for many jobs, as are people skills. By this, I mean:

    * You might want to rethink any behavior that could get you arrested. It’s not uncommon for employers to do a background check, and getting thrown into jail for protesting, doing drugs, or heavy drinking or a DUI is not attractive to an employer. Likewise, excessive debt and not paying your bills on time (reason: they figure you’ll be tempted to “rob the till”)… and yes, employers often do background and credit checks, and they are allowed to.
    * Ability to clearly communicate with others, which includes both listening (first) and talking. Face-to-face or on the phone communication is still important, clear, accurate, good writing is very important for many fields. For most fields, expertise in “texting” or writing in code/abbreviations is not important.
    * Ability to work well with others. This does NOT mean you are always the leader, the team leader, the “director” or supervisor. Sometimes you may be called on to do that, but being willing to be a hard working subordinate is an important quality as well. This also includes honesty and not being sneaky and stealing credit for someone else’s work (you may get away with it, but your co-workers will NEVER forget!)
    * Attitude: you should come across cheerful and pleasant, generally easy to get along with rather than angry and hostile. Oddly enough, many young people have no idea how to do this and have a tendency to mouth off, have no patience, little attention to detail, lose their temper, and drop an “F” bomb at the drop of a hat. For most jobs this is unacceptable, and the employer will likely hire and/or promote the person with a pleasant disposition over the one with the anger/hostile/cranky disposition irrespective of job skills.
    * Appropriate appearance for the job. In some places this requires dressing up; if this is the norm in the field you want to work in, you’re going to have to accept that. In many places this would also require dressing more conservatively than you ever would at school. Not many employers find dressing like you’re going to a bar (skin tight clothing, undies or boobs visible, ripped jeans, flip-flops, “f*ck me” heels, etc.) acceptable in the workplace. Likewise, unnatural colored hair, visible tats, extensive piercing, etc. are rarely considered acceptable in the work place. Like it or not, change your look and get over the attitude or you may be out of a job.
    * Understanding that as an inexperienced person, your insistence that you are a “subject matter expert” (with no experience) and/or lack of respect for someone with significantly more experience than you is offensive.
    * Expecting that you will start out at the top (either in terms of salary or position) is not realistic. With a recession on, and there are many, many unemployed people with good solid skills, education and experience. They are competitive for those higher level jobs. You, fresh out of the school, are not. You’re going to have to accept working at an entry-level position (hopefully one in your field, or related) and work your way up, just as they did.
    * Patience! It can take a considerable effort to break into your first job, but the effort is worth it. Hang on in there, and if at first you don’t succeed – try, try, try, and try again. Eventually you’ll find something, hard as it may be to believe that at times.

  • Bill

    I think the caption under the picture should sadly read “The irony of a democracy”

    • Stephan

      America is not, and has never been, a ‘democracy’ by the explicit and labored designs of the Founding Fathers. America WAS a republic – government by rule of law. Ben Franklin said “We give you a Republic… if you can keep it”. Well, we couldn’t and what is today revealed is the fascist police state that is the American government (“The Best Government Money Can Buy!”). Indeed, this will not end well for any of us.

      • Willaim Chandler

        REPRESENTATIVE republic …… since you want to split hairs.

  • Paul

    The state is the power instrument of the ruling class.

    And since the ruling class wants their profit protected, it orders the state to send in the police.

    Do you really want to change the current system?

    I don’t think so. So just shut up and give me your money.
    Oh, and sign here please that you give me your money voluntarily.


  • Willaim Chandler

    OWS is what the Tea Party STARTED OUT AS. The Tea Party was ALSO a NON-Partisan protest against the BANKERS and Politicians. Then Sara-JUDAS-ISCARIOT-Palin MIS-led them into the arms of the neocons. Palin (and her NEOCON PIMPS) SOLD the Tea Party for 30 pieces of silver. So all you morons who THINK you are conservatives need to (1) Go study how the neocons were INVENTED by LEFTWING TROTSKITES (Irving Kristol & Co.)
    (2) Reread your history. It was the “RABBLE in Arms” that fought for America. Who DID the REAL Tea Party, Tavern customers. Remember the “Boston Massacre”? THAT was “street urchins and layabouts” standing up to the DHS/Police. What were the words of the British Commander at Concord? “Disperse YE RABBLE”! America was created by the LIBERAL concepts of FREEDOM and NATURAL RIGHTS. The ENEMY of America was CONSERVATIVE feudalism.
    (3) Now, JOIN the OWS.
    “I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers of society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education.” –Thomas Jefferson on popular sovreignty, letter to W.C. Jarvis, 1820.
    Call them TORYS, not “Tea Partys” They are LOYALISTS beholden to the ROYALISTS and are no more revolutionary or PROGRESSIVE (as were the Founding Fathers) then so many OXEN in YOKE.

    • brnagn

      you’re attaching your beliefs and modern vernacular on 18th century men and language. The fouders of the USA were not liberal by today’s difinition. you should know better.

  • Jeff Starr

    Read The Fourth Turning by William Strauss and Neil Howe

  • Silent Majority

    But if Occupy Wall Street protesters want to take things to “the next level”, they should not underestimate the resolve of the police state.

    Those of the “Police State” need to understand that they work for the PEOPLE. Their authority is bestowed upon them by WE THE PEOPLE. They also need to remember (otherwise they will be reminded of it the hard way) that they bleed like everyone else. What’s going to happen when the next time someone’s hair is pulled, or a flash-bang grenade goes off, that a protester doesn’t shoot one of these pigs dead in the street. We can show up *****************************************

  • Kaitlyn
  • witness

    People have the right to protest, but do not have the right to block, obstruct or “occupy” any public street or thoroughfare that is used on a daily basis by taxpaying citizens who are going about their daily business, causing traffic jams and delays affecting thousands of commuters who are trying to earn a living.Furthermore,law enforcement has been given no choice but to use force after requesting that protestors vacate an area affecting law abiding citizens.


    Will another nation invade the US in a humanitarian operation to protect OWS? What would be US’s response?

  • Ron

    “Yeah… where I hear are the sounds of marching, charging people…cause the time is ripe for a violent revolution”…

    Street Fighting Man – The Rolling Stones

  • Rene

    This is nothing…so far. Between 1967 and 1971 protests were violent and bloody and were occuring almost every day! I remember those years well.
    Those days are coming back. The future will be ugly indeed.

  • http://none RORSCHACH

    “Those that make peaceful revolution impossible, will make violent revolution inevitable.”- John F. Kennedy

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