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		<title>By: Justin Case</title>
		<link>http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/the-pope-is-completely-wrong-about-capitalism-and-inequality#comment-338288</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Justin Case]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2014 05:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The pope is a Marxist jack A. S. S.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The pope is a Marxist jack A. S. S.</p>
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		<title>By: MellyDanielsisf321</title>
		<link>http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/the-pope-is-completely-wrong-about-capitalism-and-inequality#comment-338220</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MellyDanielsisf321]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2014 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Logan . if you, thought Ethel `s st0rry is
something... I just bought a great Saab 99 Turbo after earning $4173
this-past/four weeks an would you believe 10/k lass-month . this is really the
most rewarding Ive ever had . I began this six months/ago and pretty much
immediately began to bring home at least $73, per hour . find more information
F­i­s­c­a­l­p­o­s­t­.­Ｃ­Ｏ­Ｍ­]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Logan . if you, thought Ethel `s st0rry is<br />
something&#8230; I just bought a great Saab 99 Turbo after earning $4173<br />
this-past/four weeks an would you believe 10/k lass-month . this is really the<br />
most rewarding Ive ever had . I began this six months/ago and pretty much<br />
immediately began to bring home at least $73, per hour . find more information<br />
F­i­s­c­a­l­p­o­s­t­.­Ｃ­Ｏ­Ｍ­</p>
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		<title>By: Hank Kingsley</title>
		<link>http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/the-pope-is-completely-wrong-about-capitalism-and-inequality#comment-338205</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hank Kingsley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2014 22:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This &#039;god&#039; does not exist. Religion is an invention of the elite to keep the masses down and dumb. Get with the program and stop believing in nonsense like &#039;santa&#039;, &#039;god&#039; or the easter bunny.

The elites fooled you good! No wonder they do so well, all the suckers think they&#039;re gonna get a slice in the &#039;next&#039; life, what a joke!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This &#8216;god&#8217; does not exist. Religion is an invention of the elite to keep the masses down and dumb. Get with the program and stop believing in nonsense like &#8216;santa&#8217;, &#8216;god&#8217; or the easter bunny.</p>
<p>The elites fooled you good! No wonder they do so well, all the suckers think they&#8217;re gonna get a slice in the &#8216;next&#8217; life, what a joke!</p>
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		<title>By: Gay Veteran</title>
		<link>http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/the-pope-is-completely-wrong-about-capitalism-and-inequality#comment-337781</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gay Veteran]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2014 21:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yawn]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yawn</p>
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		<title>By: davidmpark</title>
		<link>http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/the-pope-is-completely-wrong-about-capitalism-and-inequality#comment-337604</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[davidmpark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2014 03:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s it? That&#039;s what you&#039;re ending with? Weak.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s it? That&#8217;s what you&#8217;re ending with? Weak.</p>
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		<title>By: Gay Veteran</title>
		<link>http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/the-pope-is-completely-wrong-about-capitalism-and-inequality#comment-337569</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gay Veteran]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2014 00:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I made specific points.  Too bad you incapable of responding in an intelligent manner.
but I guess I&#039;m just being &quot;angry and raving&quot;.  Eyeroll]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I made specific points.  Too bad you incapable of responding in an intelligent manner.<br />
but I guess I&#8217;m just being &#8220;angry and raving&#8221;.  Eyeroll</p>
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		<title>By: Yoshimine</title>
		<link>http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/the-pope-is-completely-wrong-about-capitalism-and-inequality#comment-337528</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yoshimine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2014 19:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Note: the &quot;radical departure&quot; would be if there is (actually, in his statements) any implication that some people owning more than others is somehow inherently wrong, eg, that owning personal property while others have nothing, is &quot;wrong&quot; ... as it is clearly justice that a person is entitled to the fruits of their labor, even if according to charity, they are bound to share what they have over and above what they need.

If it was only implied, however, that we DO share... and not that ownership of private property is wrong, that would not be any departure.

Another departure would be if it were actually suggested that soclaism or communism are right paths, as again, in justice they are wrong.

But I may have misunderstood the statements of today&#039;s pope or the implications thereof... If all he&#039;s really trying to say, is that we should look after the poor, then obviously there would be nothing wrong with that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note: the &#8220;radical departure&#8221; would be if there is (actually, in his statements) any implication that some people owning more than others is somehow inherently wrong, eg, that owning personal property while others have nothing, is &#8220;wrong&#8221; &#8230; as it is clearly justice that a person is entitled to the fruits of their labor, even if according to charity, they are bound to share what they have over and above what they need.</p>
<p>If it was only implied, however, that we DO share&#8230; and not that ownership of private property is wrong, that would not be any departure.</p>
<p>Another departure would be if it were actually suggested that soclaism or communism are right paths, as again, in justice they are wrong.</p>
<p>But I may have misunderstood the statements of today&#8217;s pope or the implications thereof&#8230; If all he&#8217;s really trying to say, is that we should look after the poor, then obviously there would be nothing wrong with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Yoshimine</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yoshimine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2014 19:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People need to realize... after the 1960&#039;s, many of the human beings in whose hands the Catholic Church now resides officially, made a radical departure from Catholic tradition, in spirit if not in personal teaching in the name of &quot;modernizing&quot; things.


 Problem is, however golden the intentions, you can&#039;t &quot;modernize&quot; reality or truth. If it&#039;s true, it does not change. 2+2=4 was true from the garden of Eden, to today, and always will be. Even the pope has not the power (according to Catholic doctrine) to alter the teachings of the Catholic Church in any way from what they have always been, and always must be, because they are truths (therefore not subject to change, just like the rest of reality).

This article... assuming it&#039;s true... would be a perfect example of that radical departure in (personal, not the Church&#039;s actual) teaching, spirit or thought of some, from the Church&#039;s official teachings, for the last 2,000 years... in this case, on material and social justice.

Pope Leo XIII wrote the reality down in his encyclical Rerum Novarum (on capital and labor):

&quot;4. To remedy these wrongs the socialists, working on the poor man&#039;s envy of the rich, are striving to do away with private property, and contend that individual possessions should become the common property of all, to be administered by the State or by municipal bodies. They hold that by thus transferring property from private individuals to the community, the present mischievous state of things will be set to rights, inasmuch as each citizen will then get his fair share of whatever there is to enjoy. But their contentions are so clearly powerless to end the controversy that were they carried into effect the working man himself would be among the first to suffer. They are, moreover, 
emphatically unjust, for they would rob the lawful possessor, distort the functions of the State, and create utter confusion in the community. 

5. It is surely undeniable that, when a man engages in remunerative labor, the impelling reason and motive of his work is to obtain property, and thereafter to hold it as his very own. If one man hires out to another his strength or skill, he does so for the purpose of receiving in return what is necessary for the satisfaction of his needs; he therefore expressly intends to acquire a right full and real, not only to the remuneration, but also to the disposal of such remuneration, just as he pleases. Thus, if he lives sparingly, 
saves money, and, for greater security, invests his savings in land, the land, in such case, is only his wages under another form; and, consequently, a working man&#039;s little estate thus purchased should be as completely at his full disposal as are the wages he receives for his labor. But it is precisely in such power of disposal that ownership obtains, whether the property consist of land or chattels. Socialists, therefore, by endeavoring to transfer the possessions of 
individuals to the community at large, strike at the interests of every wage-earner, since they would deprive him of the liberty of disposing of his wages, and thereby of all hope and possibility of increasing his resources and of bettering his condition in life. 

6. What is of far greater moment, however, is the fact that the remedy they propose is manifestly against justice. For, every man has by nature the right to possess property as his own... it must be within his right to possess things not merely for temporary and momentary use, as other living things do, but to have and to hold them in stable and permanent possession; he must have not only things that perish in the use, but those also which, though they have been reduced into use, continue for further use in after time. 

7. This becomes still more clearly evident if man&#039;s nature be considered a little more deeply. For man, fathoming by his faculty of reason matters without number, linking the future with the present, and being master of his own acts, guides his ways under the eternal law and the power of God, whose providence governs all things. Wherefore, it is in his power to exercise his choice not only as to matters that regard his present welfare, but also about those which 
he deems may be for his advantage in time yet to come. Hence, man not only should possess the fruits of the earth, but also the very soil, inasmuch as from the produce of the earth he has to lay by provision for the future. Man&#039;s needs 
do not die out, but forever recur; although satisfied today, they demand fresh supplies for tomorrow. Nature accordingly must have given to man a source that is stable and remaining always with him, from which he might look to draw continual supplies. And this stable condition of things he finds solely in the earth and its fruits. There is no need to bring in the State. Man precedes the State, and possesses, prior to the formation of any State, the right of 
providing for the substance of his body...&quot;


I suggest everyone find Rerum Novarum and read it, if they want to know the true Catholic position... quite interesting, and refreshingly sane! (And Catholic!) Pope Leo XIII had a lot of interesting things to say about our current state of affairs, in fact...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People need to realize&#8230; after the 1960&#8217;s, many of the human beings in whose hands the Catholic Church now resides officially, made a radical departure from Catholic tradition, in spirit if not in personal teaching in the name of &#8220;modernizing&#8221; things.</p>
<p> Problem is, however golden the intentions, you can&#8217;t &#8220;modernize&#8221; reality or truth. If it&#8217;s true, it does not change. 2+2=4 was true from the garden of Eden, to today, and always will be. Even the pope has not the power (according to Catholic doctrine) to alter the teachings of the Catholic Church in any way from what they have always been, and always must be, because they are truths (therefore not subject to change, just like the rest of reality).</p>
<p>This article&#8230; assuming it&#8217;s true&#8230; would be a perfect example of that radical departure in (personal, not the Church&#8217;s actual) teaching, spirit or thought of some, from the Church&#8217;s official teachings, for the last 2,000 years&#8230; in this case, on material and social justice.</p>
<p>Pope Leo XIII wrote the reality down in his encyclical Rerum Novarum (on capital and labor):</p>
<p>&#8220;4. To remedy these wrongs the socialists, working on the poor man&#8217;s envy of the rich, are striving to do away with private property, and contend that individual possessions should become the common property of all, to be administered by the State or by municipal bodies. They hold that by thus transferring property from private individuals to the community, the present mischievous state of things will be set to rights, inasmuch as each citizen will then get his fair share of whatever there is to enjoy. But their contentions are so clearly powerless to end the controversy that were they carried into effect the working man himself would be among the first to suffer. They are, moreover,<br />
emphatically unjust, for they would rob the lawful possessor, distort the functions of the State, and create utter confusion in the community. </p>
<p>5. It is surely undeniable that, when a man engages in remunerative labor, the impelling reason and motive of his work is to obtain property, and thereafter to hold it as his very own. If one man hires out to another his strength or skill, he does so for the purpose of receiving in return what is necessary for the satisfaction of his needs; he therefore expressly intends to acquire a right full and real, not only to the remuneration, but also to the disposal of such remuneration, just as he pleases. Thus, if he lives sparingly,<br />
saves money, and, for greater security, invests his savings in land, the land, in such case, is only his wages under another form; and, consequently, a working man&#8217;s little estate thus purchased should be as completely at his full disposal as are the wages he receives for his labor. But it is precisely in such power of disposal that ownership obtains, whether the property consist of land or chattels. Socialists, therefore, by endeavoring to transfer the possessions of<br />
individuals to the community at large, strike at the interests of every wage-earner, since they would deprive him of the liberty of disposing of his wages, and thereby of all hope and possibility of increasing his resources and of bettering his condition in life. </p>
<p>6. What is of far greater moment, however, is the fact that the remedy they propose is manifestly against justice. For, every man has by nature the right to possess property as his own&#8230; it must be within his right to possess things not merely for temporary and momentary use, as other living things do, but to have and to hold them in stable and permanent possession; he must have not only things that perish in the use, but those also which, though they have been reduced into use, continue for further use in after time. </p>
<p>7. This becomes still more clearly evident if man&#8217;s nature be considered a little more deeply. For man, fathoming by his faculty of reason matters without number, linking the future with the present, and being master of his own acts, guides his ways under the eternal law and the power of God, whose providence governs all things. Wherefore, it is in his power to exercise his choice not only as to matters that regard his present welfare, but also about those which<br />
he deems may be for his advantage in time yet to come. Hence, man not only should possess the fruits of the earth, but also the very soil, inasmuch as from the produce of the earth he has to lay by provision for the future. Man&#8217;s needs<br />
do not die out, but forever recur; although satisfied today, they demand fresh supplies for tomorrow. Nature accordingly must have given to man a source that is stable and remaining always with him, from which he might look to draw continual supplies. And this stable condition of things he finds solely in the earth and its fruits. There is no need to bring in the State. Man precedes the State, and possesses, prior to the formation of any State, the right of<br />
providing for the substance of his body&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I suggest everyone find Rerum Novarum and read it, if they want to know the true Catholic position&#8230; quite interesting, and refreshingly sane! (And Catholic!) Pope Leo XIII had a lot of interesting things to say about our current state of affairs, in fact&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: nekksys</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nekksys]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2014 16:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems strange to me that others still insist wealth redistribution is a GOOD thing. Instead of taking everything away from everyone and redistributing it all, how about we just take everything and throw it all in a big pile and let everyone take what they NEED as opposed to what they WANT? Isn&#039;t this pretty much how primitive cultures around the world live? Isn&#039;t this also how the Native Americans lived for centuries until The White Man came and imposed his beliefs and way of life? &lt;i&gt;(Yes, I&#039;m white; I can say that...)&lt;/i&gt;

I have become a firm believer in returning to primitive ways of living and being. We honestly need little else other than food, water, clothing and shelter. &lt;i&gt;(I&#039;m still a bit iffy on the clothing need; We could do without and be OK if we could get everyone to not sexualize certain body parts...)&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems strange to me that others still insist wealth redistribution is a GOOD thing. Instead of taking everything away from everyone and redistributing it all, how about we just take everything and throw it all in a big pile and let everyone take what they NEED as opposed to what they WANT? Isn&#8217;t this pretty much how primitive cultures around the world live? Isn&#8217;t this also how the Native Americans lived for centuries until The White Man came and imposed his beliefs and way of life? <i>(Yes, I&#8217;m white; I can say that&#8230;)</i></p>
<p>I have become a firm believer in returning to primitive ways of living and being. We honestly need little else other than food, water, clothing and shelter. <i>(I&#8217;m still a bit iffy on the clothing need; We could do without and be OK if we could get everyone to not sexualize certain body parts&#8230;)</i></p>
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		<title>By: nekksys</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nekksys]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2014 16:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brilliant, friend, just brilliant. Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant, friend, just brilliant. Thanks.</p>
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