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What Is The Best Country In The World For Americans To Relocate To In Order To Avoid The Coming Economic Collapse?

Millions of American citizens have already left the United States in search of a better life.  As the economy continues to crumble and as our society slowly falls apart, millions of others are thinking about it.  But moving to another country is not something to be done lightly.  The reality is that there are a vast array of social, cultural, economic and safety issues to be considered.  If you have never traveled outside of North America, then you have no idea how incredibly different life in other parts of the world can be.  For those that are unfamiliar with international travel, it can be quite a shock to suddenly be immersed in a foreign culture.  In fact, no matter how experienced you are, choosing to relocate to a new country is never easy.  But things have gone downhill so dramatically in the United States that picking up and moving to a foreign nation is being increasingly viewed as a viable alternative by millions of Americans.  A lot of people have decided that they simply do not want to be in the United States when the excrement hits the fan.  So what is the best country in the world for Americans to relocate to in order to avoid the coming economic collapse?

For each person, that answer may be different.  A lot depends on how much money you have and what your career situation is.  A lot depends on what stage of life you are at and what your family situation is.  Moving to another country can be very complicated and it can be a lot of work, but there are millions of people that have found it to be very rewarding.

When it comes to leaving America, a lot of people out there have some really strong opinions.

Many people believe that leaving the United States at this time would be abandoning our country in its hour of greatest need.  They are convinced that virtually everyone should stay and fight to turn this country around.

Others believe that there is no hope for the United States at all and that leaving this country is the only rational thing to do.  A lot of Americans have decided that the best future for their children and their grandchildren is going to be found in another part of the globe.

Still others are waiting to see what is going to happen during this next election.  Most people would agree that 2012 is going to represent a huge turning point for the United States, and if the election goes the wrong way it could move America down a road from which it will never recover.

But whatever you believe, the reality is that more Americans than ever seem to be interested in relocating overseas.  This appears to be particularly true of younger Americans.

A recent CNBC article contained the following amazing statistics….

*According to the U.S. State Department, 6.3 million Americans are either working or studying overseas.  That is the highest number that has ever been recorded.

*According to one recent survey, “the percentage of Americans aged 25 to 34 actively planning to relocate outside the U.S. has quintupled in just two years, from less than 1 percent to 5.1 percent.”

*That same survey found that 40 percent of all Americans in the 18 to 24 age group are expressing interest in relocation outside of the United States.  Two years ago that figure was only at 15 percent.

So why are so many Americans looking to relocate?

Well, our economy continues to get worse and worse.  If you have not heard yet, it has been announced that an all-time record 46 million Americans are now on food stamps.

How much worse can it get?

We just keep setting new record after new record.  Shouldn’t the government just put us all on food stamps and get it over with?

A lot of Americans want to escape this country before they get sucked into the vortex of poverty that has trapped so many other American families.  2.6 million more Americans fell into poverty last year.  In addition, according to the U.S. Census Bureau the percentage of Americans living in extreme poverty today is higher than has ever been measured before.

As poverty and despair spread across the United States, the fabric of our society is breaking down.  As I have written about so many times, the thin veneer of civilization that we all take for granted is starting to disappear.

Mob violence is becoming increasingly common in America.  The following example from earlier this week comes from a story in the Blaze….

New York City firefighters came to the rescue of two NYPD cops who were outnumbered and getting pummeled by 50 angry female teenagers on Tuesday.

The Firefighters  from the FDNY opened up on the violent crowd with a “deluge gun”– which is a high-powered, truck-mounted water cannon–finally causing the mob to disperse.

As society breaks down, the government is becoming even more repressive in an attempt to maintain control.  Paranoia has become standard operating procedure and we are all considered to be potential terrorists.  Sadly, the United States is rapidly being turned into a totalitarian “Big Brother” police state.  Millions of Americans are not excited about living in a giant prison and they are starting to look for alternatives.

Meanwhile, the U.S. government continues to pile up the biggest debt in the history of the world and spend money on some of the most ridiculous things imaginable.  If you can believe it, over the past 10 years the U.S. government has actually spent almost a quarter of a billion dollars on genital pumps for old men.

Our government is drowning in debt, our businesses are drowning in debt and American consumers are drowning in debt.  At some point this entire house of cards is going to come crashing down.

Are you sure that you want to be living in the United States when that happens?

If you do plan to move outside of the United States, there are a lot of things that you need to consider….

Money

It is a lot easier to move to another country if you are independently wealthy.  Since most of us are not, you will likely have to consider how you will pay for the lifestyle that you plan to have once you move.

There are some countries (like many of the nations of northern Europe) where the cost of living is extremely high.  If you plan to move to Europe that is something that you will need to plan for.

There are other nations where the strength of the U.S. dollar is a huge benefit (at least for now).  If you have a sufficient bankroll saved up there are some areas of the world where you can literally live like a king.

Jobs

Unless you are retired, you will need to consider what kind of job you are going to work once you move.  If you do not speak the language of the country that you are moving to that is going to really limit your career options.

Also, you will need to keep in mind that wages in many areas of the world (especially in the third world) are much lower than in the United States.

Laws

Americans are often shocked to learn that the rights that we enjoy in the United States do not apply in the rest of the world.

You need to evaluate whether or not you can live with the laws that will be imposed upon you in the country that you choose to relocate to.

For example, I would not have the same freedom of speech to write the things that I do in a lot of other countries.  There are many countries that actually hunt down and arrest bloggers like me.

Also, it is important to keep in mind that huge taxes or huge fees are often imposed on those moving to a new country.  You may actually have to pay a tax on whatever possessions you bring with you.

Security

In many areas of the world you will not be able to count on the police coming to help you if a crime is committed.

Even if police are available where you choose to live, that does not mean that they will not be corrupt.

So it is imperative that you come up with a security plan.  Keep in mind that in many countries the ownership of guns is either banned or is severely limited.

Family

If you choose to relocate overseas without the rest of your family, you probably will not get to see them very often at all anymore.

It will be important for you to evaluate whether you will be able to take long-term separation from your family or not.

Also, it can be very lonely living overseas in a foreign nation where you do not know the language.  In many countries Americans are deeply hated so you may find it difficult to make friends.

Culture Shock

This is something that should not be underestimated.  Moving into the middle of a foreign culture can be absolutely shattering for many people.  A lot of Americans have absolutely no idea what life is like on the other side of the globe.

If you are thinking of moving to another country, it might be a really good idea to visit it first so that you can get a feel for what you are getting into.

So what is the best country in the world for Americans to relocate to?

I am not going to answer that question myself.  Instead, I want to ask my readers to help me answer that question.

Over the next couple of days, I am going to take comments that readers on my site leave and I am going to post them at the end of this article.  Many of them are extremely knowledgeable, and hopefully they can help all of us learn more about what life is like on the other side of the world.

So if you would like to participate in this debate, please post a comment at the end of this article on The Economic Collapse Blog with your opinion.  Please tell us what country you think is best for Americans to move to and the reasons why you think that it is the best.

This should be a fun debate, and I am looking forward to hearing what you all have to say.

***Reader Comments***

godsofold:

I believe that the good Lord and our Founding Fathers blessed us with a wonderful country. As such, I believe we owe it to both to stay and fight to get our nation back. I’m an 11 year Marine Corps Vet, I served in the first Gulf War and in many different operations. I’ll be damned if I’m going to run when it seems what our country needs most is for us to stand up for it. I don’t believe now is the time. Soon, but not now. Things need to get MUCH worse for a great portion of the people to wake. There has to be some finite trigger that sparks that light bulb moment for the Average Joe to finally make a conscience effort at understanding the dire situation that we’re all facing. So, I won’t be leaving. I’ll stand my ground like many others around me will. Though we very way may lose, I couldn’t bear to stand in front of the Lord and say I did nothing. That would be the epic failure.

Semper Fi

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bobcat:

My family settled in the piedmont foothills of NC in the early 1800s. That is where I was born. That is where I live and that is where I will die.

That being said, this country ain’t what it used to be. You mentioned, “Americans are often shocked to learn that the rights that we enjoy in the United States do not apply in the rest of the world.” I’m shocked at the rights we no longer enjoy today that used to enjoy 30 years ago.

There really isn’t anywhere to run anyway. The neoliberal globalist banker agenda is being carried out in all countries. Their fate will be similar to ours.

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Kaye Art:

I am one who doesn’t believe in countries and borders. But I find it amusing that Americans who have invested so much in keeping people from troubled countries out of America are now looking at some of those countries to relocate, as if planet earth was set up solely for them. The reason they have such difficulty in other countries is because they are unaware that there are other people and cultures on earth who have just as much right to the freedom of this planet as them. As a relocation country I could recomend Zambia. It is a beautiful peaceful country in central Africa with a simple improving economy and very friendly people it has no oil so is unlikely to be bombed by Nato and America. But before you come it might be good to check out what a Zambian has to go through just to visit America let alone live there. I am not anti America in any way I am for all people but it is time for us to wake up!

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A Viking in Asia:

Relocating to another country is a huge decision, and for any number of good reasons (family, career, sense of obligation, etc.) may not be the right thing for many. Also, some people do not handle big changes and new settings well, and relocating to another country is probably not the best option for them either. But for those who do think it’s right for them AND are open to making big changes in their life, the ‘right’ country to relocate to will depend on your motivations.

I myself am an expat in my mid-30′s living in Mongolia. My primary reasons for relocating were 1) excellent business opportunities, 2) existing family ties to the country, and 3) a desire to see and experience more of the world. It also helps that in general attitudes towards Americans are friendly there, and firearms ownership is allowed (not as unrestricted as most of the US but much better than most countries). But what’s good for me would not be right for many; for people who heavily favor things like warm climates and metropolitan lifestyles or who can’t tolerate a rougher standard of living, Mongolia would be a terrible choice. So the ‘right’ country depends hugely on the person and their desires, and the good thing is that there are many options out there, whether in Asia, South America, Central America, etc. It certainly HELPS to have lots of money, but is not necessary in many places. I myself am far from rich and have only modest savings, but managing expenses carefully and staying out of the consumerism debt lifestyle made all the difference in making relocation possible.

Now as to avoiding the coming economic collapse, I don’t think relocating to any one country will let you ‘avoid’ it. Some may fare better than others but I’m betting all will be affected to some degree, even here in Mongolia where banking and high finance is not nearly as entrenched here as in many countries. Furthermore, I think it’s unwise to have the sole motivation for relocation being “to get away”. Except in the most extreme circumstances (like being a refugee) one needs to have good reasons beyond that to relocate, or else they’re likely acting out of fear and making a mistake. So I think it’s better to rephrase the question “Where is the best country for my life and needs, that will also allow me to prepare and better endure the coming economic collapse?”.
Finally, I expect down the road at some point after the big crunch (or perhaps “slow grind”) comes, if I prove to be successful here I will be in a better position to help my family and communities back in the US. IMO if we continued to stay in the US, our opportunities for helping our families and others would be much, much smaller.

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Armel:

Maybe instead of leaving the continent, we should just reconsider the political boundaries with respect to values, freedoms or lack thereof. Igor Panarin has been predicting a breakup of the US for the last decade. Perhaps it’s time that those of us with similar values stick together via relocating—sort of a ‘safety in numbers’ move, if you will….conservative, Constitutionalists in one designated area and liberals in another area, each area being treated as separate, sovereign entities, entirely different countries, who cares as long as they are distinct. There are too many left versus right arguments going on in this country…if we can’t get along, let’s just bid adieu and part ways, at least for a while.

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horhey:

This is a really fun blog, there is so much to the final equation. The culture thing was it for me. When I was 16, my folks moved to the Philippines. I grew up in SoCal, 7/11s on every corner. Every thing one needed an arms length away. In Manila the smog gag was nasty. Jeepneys ran on …….seemed like kerosene. Black smoke everywhere and humid. We ended up on a small island, beautiful but primitive. Power out daily, cold showers, Tagalog was not a first language or second are any. 2 years to learn, and gone now. It was a real tough wake up call. Best long term experience ever, it at the time gave parents grief. If you have a family and want to move, make sure your kids know the whole picture. Not the one you want to paint. Funny to read this Michael, just talking about this subject tonight.  People soon will chose…Canon fodder, run for the hills, or just bail. Whatever is coming, it’s soon to arrive.

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Gutter Economist:

NOT GOOD

If you have a survival plan for living in the USA or offshore, don’t discuss it in public.

Before leaving the USA like a group of cowards, we should force all of the democrats and republicans out of Washington.

BAD

After trashing the USA and subjecting the rest of the world to our military, why would any American be welcome in any other country?

UGLY

Avoid the Northern Hemisphere – one nuke would cause severe problems here due to prevailing winds.

If you don’t leave the USA by year end, you may be too late. In fact, it is already too late to move most of your wealth offshore.

If you do move offshore, don’t count on electronic banking such as social security transfers.

Get a passport immediately while you still can.

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Greg:

I have 2 young children. And while pledge allegiance to the U.S. that comes below my God and my family. If the point comes I will take my kids and as much as I can carry and leave with no regrets.

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Already Gone:

why run away like a dog with it’s tail between it’s legs? i agree with godsofold that we need to stand up for this country. if people are leaving because they like culture/way of life in a different country that is fine other people in other countries come here looking for the same. we as a society are responsible for what is happening we trusted the government to do the right thing and it backfired. okay,so we are going to learn a valuable lesson and yes it is going to hurt but to leave because they do not want to be here when shit hits the fan to me is running away from responsibility. i would rather stand beside somebody who is not afraid than to be next to somebody who will run at the first sign of trouble. How could a person develop confidence, trust and dependence with these type of people? Maybe the grass is greener on the other side of the hill. But running away will never solve anything so if they want to go let them go. Who needs them or wants them?

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Gary2:

yes things will be better in 2012 when Obama easily wins reelection and we veer far left and hopefully become more like the Scandinavian countries. 2012 will be the year of taxing the rich hard(finally). He can’t run again so what the heck.

I have these idiot relatives who go to Norway on vacation and just go on and on about how good everything there is-universal health care maternity leave and a ton of valuable gov services. They then come back here to WI and I say I want it to be that good here and they cry socialism.

I encourage all conservatives to move to another country we will be better off with you and your selfish world view gone.

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EndOfAnErrorOrEndOfAnEra:

Michael, thank you for everything you do and I look forward to your articles each day. Coincidentally, just prior to reading your latest post, I was researching New Zealand as a potential destination for myself and my family before the excrement crushes the fan. Then I read this:

http://www.infowars.com/nz-food-bill-to-make-growing-food-a-government-privilege-rather-than-a-human-right/

The sheeple need to wake up to the fact that what is happening in America is only a part of a much larger, carefully orchestrated effort by a global oligarchy to bring about a one-world governance. Period. There is no other place to hide nor should there be. America MUST be protected and preserved. Therefore, I will stay at home and stand side-by-side with patriots like godsofold and fight to return America to the virtues of its founding. No other society in the history of the world has enjoyed the freedoms and prosperity that this country has over its short 235 year existence or “experiment” as some like to call it. I just can’t imagine turning my back on that.

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Crystalcrew:

Relocation is a tough one as fewer countries welcome Americans. Westerized countries are becoming increasingly crippled by NWO regulations so that leaves less delevoped nations who aren’t targeted. Uruguay? Panama? Dominican Republic? Costa Rica? I guess we have to see where the power elite is hiding. Anybody know?

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Cinderella Man JD:

Michael, Theres no place like home as Dorothy says. Im stayin right here in Central Montana where men are men and sheep are scared. Thank you godsofold for your service. Both my mother and father are Marines. Even though you may die the Corps is forever so you will live forever!!! (from Full Metal Jacket). No this is not the time to run from our problems. We must make our stand here and now against the tyranny that is being thrust upon us. America is worth saving, once all the bums, useless eaters, and illegal aliens are gone all that will be left is the prepared and the holy. Believe me people the great culling is at hand and no where on earth is going to be safe. Im staying out here in the country raise my crops and livestock, build a wall and set up landmines to keep the zombie hordes from the cities out. They might get me in the end, but I will go down fighting. So dont move to another country. They have more nasty diseases and inscects and dangerous people and wildlife you can imagine. Hell I didnt like the American south with all the roaches and new snakes I saw when I went down there to visit my brother. I love it here in Montana. We have problems but not everyone could live here especially when its -70 windchill and blowing snow. Its a hard country but its worth it to be away from the insanity of the cities. Millions will be freezing and starving to death before this decade is out, mark my words. The fight for freedom is on! LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD!!!!

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Matt:

I’ll go to any other country that has a Constitution equal to or better than ours? How many of those are there? Oh, none. Case closed. I ain’t goin nowhere. Good luck to those of you that do – you’ll need it.

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David:

Some people like China and S. Korea, and they like to go and teach English.

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Charlie:

I’m a proud American Freethinker and Atheist. I’ll stay and fight.

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Ben:

All I can say is, I think it is cowardly to leave the United States. If you are not a natural born citizen and you have family overseas, I can see leaving. But if you were born here, enjoyed all of the services this country has to offer and then “cut and run” when things get bad? You have no heart. You have no character. And you are a coward. Plain and simple. Sound harsh? Sound unfair? Well…life is hard sometimes, life is not fair. Did you expect life to be easy? Most people in this country take too much for granted and the minute their “comfort zones” are infringed upon they look for something else to bring them back to their little “area” of comfort. If you are in this country and living here then I would bet you are doing better than 5.5 billion people in this world. Hell, even a homeless person in this country has it better off than half of the world’s population. So you are here, you have enjoyed the fruits of this nation and when it is in trouble, you cut and run? Do you do that with your family and friends too? Because by my estimation…that is COWARDLY! I cannot say it enough! And I don’t give a good ******** about what you think about this post. If you are a person who leaves when the going gets tough, then don’t expect to come back. I would fight and die for this country. I would fight for my family and friends and their children would have a better life. I would even fight for someone who was thinking about leaving this country. That is how committed I am to it. Do NOT EVER forget that this is the greatest country the planet has ever seen. You, me and everyone on here are a part of it.

Why do you want to throw that away?

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DaShui:

So, I guess our ancestors were losers for leaving Europe to come to America?
However I live overseas now, unless you marry one of the locals, moving overseas is a bad idea, especially to a non western european nation.

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Darien:

Is this a joke? Throw in the towel and leave the USA? First of all, I am staying put, this is my home and I can’t imagine living anywhere else. Second, how many countries will accept masses of Americans with open arms, like we have? Instead, we must fight. We must jail all of the big businessmen and fake leaders who have commited treason and put into office those who have the citizens of the USA first, everything else last. We must demand repayment from the hundreds of countries we rebuilt, especially Japan and Germany who were the real winners of WW2. We must stop the imports form China, mexico, India and the hundreds of other countries whose workers pay ZERO US taxes. We must pull our military out of Europe and the *************** in the Middle East and instead fortify the shores of fortess America. I could go on and on, but won’t. This is our home, lets defend it and the good people who live here.

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David:

“BTW, my mother works 32 hours a month, my father works 44 hours a month, I work 60 hours a month and, in Chinese money, we make almost $2900 American a month.

Forgot to mentions. If $2900 American in China doesn’t seem like a lot, let me put in buying power.

I can have lunch and dinner (meal and a coke or juice) on less than $3 and still have leftovers since buying food from a restaurant is cheaper than cooking yourself (the same when I lived in Korea).”–Steven Katz’s son who is a teacher in China, and lives with his mother and father in China

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Words of the wise:

Lol good luck getting citizenship in another country as they actually enforce their citizenship laws unlike the banana republic. Nice of you to act like a typical ignorant american who knows nothing about any other country and pretends they are all hellholes compared to your banana republic. For all your talk in the end you are no better at trying to run away but it’ll all be for nothing as this collapse will have an effect on most of the world and nobody will be truly safe.

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Rancher:

I am a natural born Citizen here and my lovely wife “legally” immigrated here many years ago. We retired early and debt free at 50 or so. We like the rights we have here in the USA but they are slowly being eroded away. Our Nation is changing and the direction it is headed is not pretty for the future of once hard working or current hard working American Citizens.

There are many wanting to minimize or eliminate our right to keep and bear arms, store supplies, openly post our opinions and so much more. I am not here to rant about all those subjects as much as the financial trend.

I am not going to pick up a weapon and go to war against this Government in any way shape or form. I know better to kick against the “pricks”. I do try to educate myself and we do vote all the time. That is my weapon here. But the ammunition which is provided to vote on most often is just “Meet the new boss, much the same as the old boss” choice. I also refuse to get into politics as it ruins people and everyone I know going into that arena has changed and not for the good either.

Politics is no longer an office for a servant to temporarily serve in. It is now a means to prosper and gain wealth for life. It is corrupted. That corruption also has it’s eyes on other people’s wealth as a way to spread it around to buy votes.

It is more and more common place to hear discussions about the need to begin yet more wealth redistribution so the less hard working can more easily enjoy the things they did not earn but should be entitled to regardless. Not happening. I will refuse to stand by and let politicians and law makers devise more and more ways to drain away what we have set aside for ourselves. If fighting against that requires we take our savings and relocate away from the ability for this government to seize it or destroy it …we will. I owe no allegiance to corruption in government and thieves.

Let me say this again and I am not sorry to either. I have willingly paid my taxes 100% on what we have yet for many that is still not enough as we still have a pile left so to speak. Being our remaining pile is larger than theirs and some others we must now be subjected more and more to many peoples beliefs and intentions that we spread our remaining wealth around yet more to level the playing field for others. Again, not happening.

You see we expect to live for sometime yet and I will refuse to ever go back to work someday to support us because others have taken away our rights to prosper and keep it. What we are allowed to keep is challenged all the time and the amount only drops. More and more I am having to spend money to protect our wealth from seizure.

Therefore I am deeply concerned that in or out of desperation the politicians and leaders of this nation will either confiscate said wealth and or print more “FIAT” money to the point they undermine all our net wealth and collapse the dollar into having such a low value we are all broke again. That is just another threat to us. I do not take kindly to being threatened.

So we are beginning to look into picking up all our toys so to speak and go play in someone else’s back yard. I would be looking at the central American Continent at this point. No where specific but I am convinced one or more countries will begin to see the wisdom of setting up their laws and the such to ensure the wealthier Citizens from America and other nations which are attempting to take their personal properties… to relocate to there. It only makes sense to me. Other nations create the means to attract our industry and companies…why not those with the money as well? Being that the top 5% here are the cash cows for the rest and are paying for most everything around here things around here they will be seen as the solution to fund the future even more. The 50% and growing number of none federal tax payers will vote to see to that take place. Keep my freebies and entitlements coming regardless of the damage it is really doing.

They will force those who still retain some wealth to move away to just protect that wealth. Now I realize that I spend a lot of time on the subject of money and financial wealth. Jesus mentioned it more than any other subject in the New Testament. Go figure? But the thought of having our hard work and sacrifice taken from us or destroy from within with FIAT money so as we must return to the work force and also can not leave any for our children is our current greatest reason to consider leaving this nation someday.

It is not unpatriotic to protect the results of your life’s hard and smart work. It is called survival.

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JMorcan:

“Many people believe that leaving the United States at this time would be abandoning our country …”

Wrong, wrong, wrong – it’s the country (government) that has abandoned its citizens. I would feel no regrets on leaving, other than that my country has been irreparably destroyed and that the politicians and corporations who did so aren’t being punished.

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Sepo:

That’s an easy answer, right where I am at, Alaska, or moreover Southeast Alaska. There is a bounty of natural food… it is easy to self-sustain, you can greenhouse garden nearly year-round. I only ask that “you all” stay down there in the lower 48 so it doesn’t get crowded up here!

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John Rambo:

If you’re a young man, Thailand is the best place to be. Tons of beautiful sexy young asian women, you can get jobs easy at different companies if you have a degree, and the cost of living is cheap.

Thailand is the best country, in my opinion.

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Ms. Wiseman:

When you are persecuted in one city (or country for that matter), pack up and head for another. I remember reading that in the Bible some time ago. It is NOT cowardly to leave. On the contrary, it is quite the opposite as our ancestors before us can attest to that. It takes men (and women) of valor to move to a country, sight unseen, and build an entirely new country from the ground up. You say you will stay and fight but while you are fighting you are feeding the beast with what it needs to survive and defeat YOU – namely you vote to give those who rule over you its power, you “allow” them to take even more of your hard earned money via taxes and fines, you allow them to trick you into believing that money is wealth (it’s not, it is debt), you participate willingly in THEIR economic system which is just one big pyramid scam, you send your children to be educated and socially engineered by those who rule over you. Get real. YOU are the government and you are complicit in your own slavery. The only way to defeat the beast is to starve it of the power and money it needs to survive and that involves shunning, not voting, not participating in their political and economic schemes, and fleeing. The USA is NOT a country – America is the country. Some will stay and fight, which is fine, but it is also totally fine to pack up and leave each person living in accordance with his or her own God ordained conscience and free will. The USA is a corporation dependent on a populace willing to work for slave wages or no wages at all. Think about it.

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Cleo:

If you move, you can kiss your 2nd Amendment rights good bye, but we may kiss them good bye anyway if we elect another big govt D or R

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Joseph:

I was able to obtain citizenship and a passport of an EU country based on ancestry. |I moved to Germany. Physically, the country is beautiful, from the northern coasts and shipping centers, to the mountains and the growing regions. Germany is a large land area with about 80 million people.

Socially: English is broadly spoken here and that is helping the transition. Germans are a friendly people, well educated, hard working and civil. They also believe in following rules, obeying the laws and letting other people get on with the lives.

Economically: The GDP has been growing at about 3.5 percent for the last few years and their unemployment rate is very low. They need more workers to keep the economy growing, especially those with skills. They have a well educated work force, good social benefits, health and medical benefits and other advantages to their workers. And for all those drains on profitability, only China, with half the world’s population, exports more products than Germany. Sounds like hard work and value added products are the key to Germany’s success on the balance of trade and economic fronts.

Politically: They have stayed out of the illegal Libya slaughter and have tried to keep out of as many foreign entanglements as possible. The government is also resisting the bankers demands to issue EU bonds and print money. Germany has a clear memory of what hyper inflation can do to a country and what sort of evil can arise as a result. They want to avoid that and would rather go their own way then destroy all that they have worked for. This is the right of any sovereign, whether nation or person.

Defensibility: Germany has a strong military and an incredibly strong armaments industry. They are the second largest exporter of products (consumer goods and industrial machines) in the world and in terms of arms exports are second only to the US. This means there will be no drone strikes inside of Germany. This means Germany will not be invaded over a weekend like Haiti, Panama, and countless other smaller countries were. German’s want to be left alone to live there lives and go about their. They want to leave other people alone to let them live their lives as they see fit. The German tendency to follow rules is supported by a vigorous democracy with multiple parties trying to address the needs of the population and create coalition governments that are responsive to demands.

Recap: get an EU passport if you can and then get yourselves to Germany. Or get a work visa and find yourself a sponsor and a job. We need good people and talented workers. I am finding they prefer not to bother any other peoples and we ask not to be bothered by other peoples. We keep our lives and our businesses run as best we can, according to our own desires. Just what more can you ask for from life.

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REED RICHARDS:

Question:

RUN WHERE?

There is no where to run. Western style and western run central banks control every nation on earth to this point execept for Iran and North Korea. And should a small oasis of tranquility be found, it will be that, a small oasis.

Prior to the nuclear plant meltdown, Japan would have been the best place for expats to migrate to. Although a bit pricey, there is not the widespread repression that is the amerikan police state. Learn the language and you should be fine. Japanese will not bother foreigners for the most part. In fact, they will not take much notice of you at all unless you were to do something stupid to draw unnecessary attention to yourself. Other reasons pro and con to being an expat in Japan include:

Pros:

1. Very low crime rates in comparison to amerika
2. Friendly pepole
3. Culturally exciting to behold
4. Abundant supply of vending machines for various coffees, snacks, and even beers

Cons:

1. A bit pricey
2. Drive on left side of the road and roads are much smaller than in the asylum states
3. Small scale for homes (smaller houses where only small furniture will fit and you do can not have huge western style furnishings)
4. A bit harder to adjust and fit into Japaneses society unless you marry into a japanese family and have good friendly relations with inlaw host family

Japan, as long as you live outside a certain radius of the nuclear plant meltdown and can avoid fallout, would be my ideal place to move to outside of the ASA.

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Csaba:

Lot of good comments !! I can say that a lot of people STILL don’t know how good we got it here in the US ! Ask anyone immigrated here from eastern Europe or Africa !! We think this is bad ?? Think again !! Where I’m from they take close to 50% of your paycheck on taxes If you a honest small business owner you have to pay close to 70% tax on your profit ! Gas cost close to $9 a gallon , food prices are the same as here in the US just your avrage monthly salary is between $400 $600 a month !! I can go on & on but I’m sure you guys get the picture ! So before you start packing up look around & realize that this is still one of the best places to live in the world !!

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3atm3:

look out for yourself/Family first, there is no God to save you….& there is no Government to save you. Chile would be a fine choice!! Large Middle Class/ The Government fears its Citizens NOT the other way around/ Chile Welcomes ALL Foreigner’s/ sound Medical Field/ English speaking attorney’s available and Land ownership is encouraged.

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Urban Survival Guide:

It’s really interesting to read how people plan to survive the upcoming economic collapse and police state.

If you’re going to stay in the U.S., do everything you can to get out of the major cities, which will become death zones when water and food supplies are shut down.

If you must stay in the city, be prepared with lots of extra food, as big of a garden as possible, water and water filters such as a Katadyn, guns and ammo…

Strengthen your bonds with like-minded people, so that you can support each other with different skill sets. Lone wolfs won’t fair well.

But don’t tell others about your preparedness plans, otherwise they will know where to go to steal your stuff for their family.

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MRXSANDIEGOCA:

I am too old and going to go down with the ship; however, my advice to the young is to look elsewhere.

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ron:

I know of a perfect country that I spent time in, but I don’t want any sissified yanks moving there and screwing it up, so I’m not telling. We have firearms, good land,water,and lots of wild nature. The thugs down the street are what we all have to worry about first. Learn traditional weapons-axes,archery,slings and slingshots. They are easy to make and quiet. Be in shape. Avoid stupid people. And of course, show some balls. We outnumber them. This is a global wide agenda-moving will only prolong the inevitable, and in the end, you’ll just be another foreigner in an unarmed nation.

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eric:

Ive been considering this the past few months and plan on a move within 1-2 years. My default is Canada, because it’ll be the least culture shock, and familiar to me. However Id love to hear thoughts on whether or not Canada would be the same as the US? How much protection would I have being in Canada is the US dollar collapses and/or the US enters WW3? My real choice was Chile, and I plan on making a visit after re-learning Spanish. i really don’t know too much about this country, but it looks appealing. Thoughts on there? I do have others on a list, but I’m very serious about moving and am saving up for trips to visit. Any thoughts on this would be great, as I’m just starting the process now.

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bobinsherwood:

If you intend to leave the US, you better have some seriously mad skills/talent. Most countries DEMAND exceptional performance from their employees especially foreigners or it’s “Hit the Road!” I seriously doubt 1 in 50 Americans have the “Right Stuff” to thrive in a foreign country much less survive.

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boeing engineer:

I have lived abroad for more than 20 years, in 3 different countries. Asia, Middle East, and Europe. As bad as it’s getting in the USA, you’ll soon discover that without loads of money, it’s even worse abroad.

The alternative is to find a place to live in the USA where the impact of government oppression, which is what really is at issue, is least. That’s the American Redoubt. The Rocky Mtn states are still operating most like the USA did 50, 100 years ago.

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El Pollo de Oro:

I’ve done a considerable amount of business travel in Europe, and I’ve known plenty of American expatriates who were quite happy living in France, Portugal, Italy, the Netherlands or Sweden and had no desire to come back. They went overseas with an open-minded attitude and assimilated, which in many cases, meant learning the local language and learning it well. Speaking English exclusively puts you at a major disadvantage in parts of Europe. If you aren’t proficient in Italian, you’re going to have a hard time adjusting to life in Roma or Milano perche ci sono molti italiani che non parlano molto inglese. Meglio imparare molto italiano se un americano abbia voglia di abitare in Italia. And France is very difficult if you aren’t proficient in frances. In the Netherlands, Norway and Sweden, on the other hand, most of the locals speak English fluently. I’ve known Brits who spoke only rudimentary Dutch and got along fine living in Amsterdam. Unfortunately for Americans, Europe’s immigration and employment laws make it very difficult to immigrate. And with the economic crisis in the PIIGS countries, anti-immigration sentiment is bound to increase in Europe.

As for Latin America………ten mucho cuidado, jefe. Some Latin American countries are relatively safe and have very good infrastructures. Travel in parts of Chile, Uruguay or Argentina, and you’ll feel like you’re in Europe. But in other parts of Latinoamerica, violent crime is pandemic. If you have a lot of money, getting kidnapped is a very real possibility in El Salvador, Guatemala, Venezuela, Mexico or Honduras. Desperate people do desperate things, and there is a lot of hardcore desperation in much of Latinoamerica. The carjackers, kidnappers, muggers, gangbangers and violent home invaders in Caracas and Guatemala City mean business.

Of course, there is also a lot of hardcore desperation in The Banana Republic of America, where things are ugly and bound to get a whole lot uglier. When the former USA decided to join the Third World and become a banana republic, it was a very bad decision.

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cvt htm:

Do you know how sailors knew their ship was sinking? All the rats jump ship. My previous comment is indicative of my opinion on the matter. Why are we considering other places to live, if we’re just going to die anyways? I would much rather die a free man, than with a harness on my back. Not many options available to those of low income, a gun, ammo and food sound cheaper than a plane ticket, radiation bombardment and “rape” from a strong armed stranger. So I will Die where I was born, Protecting those of whom I love.

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Lisa:

When the dust settles, and the banks own every country, it probably will not matter where one lives.

I know a good number of people living abroad, families and singles, in different countries on different continents. Most have residential permits. There are always positives and negatives living abroad. There is no perfect place to live.

One aspect almost no one addresses in expatriation is personal religious liberties.

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Jack Pat:

The biggest thing I see when I travel to other countries is that Americans, Germans, and a few other nationalities do not respect other peoples and other countries. They break in line. Insult the food, women, etc.

Watch HGTV HouseHunters International. Everyone wants granite this and that, instead of using local materials and supporting the local economy (save for the one ex-pat gringo real-estate agent and his importing buddies). It reminds me when I met a Brit from Nottingham who had a Japanese bike, although the Raliegh Bicycle Factory was literally across the street from his house.

Fast forward on a country where a few importers are bypassing local workers to obtain cheap and/or trendy foreign made goods. What happens? Local craftsman is put out of work, and the “trendsetting” American is stuck with poor-quality chic goods.

Also 70 years ago people did one or two things, ate only a few things. Now instead of being a hunter with a quality made rifle or guitarist had a quality handmade guitar, or a wife with a black pot that will last 170 years, we have 100 hobbies and our money is stretched to the point we can only afford cheap things. Same with food, instead of raw pigs, chicken, eggs, flour, milk, veggies, and eggs, we are eating olive oil thats nit even olive oil, greek yogurt thats not even yogurt,
etc.

Living a simple life supporting quality manufacturers is no longer cool.

I am looking to exit now! I left a while back and if I had a job overseas I would be out

Your pain is self-chosen.

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mondobeyondo:

The local Home Depot here is piping in Christmas songs in Spanish over their PA system. And there’s a guy outside who has a little “roach coach” push cart thing, where he sells tamales and enchiladas.

Yup. Estamos la Ciudad de Mexico del Norte. Bienvenidos! You’ll find pinatas on aisle 3.

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Steve:

I have visited, invested, and heavily researched Fiji as a possible destination. I have not moved yet, but I am saving up for it with physical Gold and Silver coins (planing to leave when silver breaks $100/oz). Fiji does have some advantages:
English is the primary language, No Military value – too far from everything for Fighter planes to reach, No Developed Oil Reserves for the Military Industrial Complex to Steal, Most developed economy of the Pacific Island Nations, Gold/Silver,/Copper are mined there, Food independent – while they do import some food not raised there, they produce enough to feed the population, no one there is starving, the country was nothing but friendly towards Americans, the climate is warm, rainfalls are plentiful enough to raise any food crop, no poisonous land snakes/spiders/vines, few bugs, the country is very open to foreign investment, Average family yearly income is 7,00 US dollars – so you can live there cheap, at least 50 years behind America’s police state actions against their own citizens, relaxed atmosphere, the capitol Suva has just about everything you could want/need with a population near 100k, only 850k people on all of the 330 islands, the five largest islands have a land mass of New Jersey, Plenty of Room, 7% of the land mass is Free Hold Land – You buy it and it is yours – no renting from the government (No Property Taxes – ever), Located in the main shipping lanes between Australia and Los Angeles, California – so parts and materials not made there can be acquired, All the infrastructure you have come to expect in America, Rail, Paved Roads, Airports, Cement, Asphalt, Hardwares, Internet, Cell Phones, Schools, College, Medical School, Hospitals (clean), Chiropractor, Dentist, Optometrists, Mail, Banks, etc…, Protection from Tsunami’s due to the coral reefs surrounding the islands, Clean drinking water, Hot springs, No one is starving nor desperate, yes they have coups every decade – but less than 10 people died in the last 4 coups, No other country is eyeing it for take over, and the best reason of all – it is located in the southern hemisphere. When a prolonged war, Natural or man made Disaster, EMP, riot, protests, etc… occurs in the USA, those several hundred Nuclear Power Plants rely upon the grid for power to the cooling pumps. After the power goes out, the cooling pumps are powered by diesel generators with about 2 weeks of fuel. Any disruption in fuel – Fukushima 2.0. It takes 4-6 months to cool a reactor after shut down. Winds will carry the radiation everywhere north of the equator. China and Russia are arming themselves, US is dismantling the Nuclear war heads. Who is China building this massive war machine for ? Why does China need the Largest Army, Air Force, and Navy in the world ? Are they afraid of Tibet or Mongolia ? Think about it.

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cvt htm:

I’m personally interested in Ecuador, A tribe more famously known for “head hunting” or “shrunken heads” well in all actuality they haven’t shrunk any heads for generations. This tribe threatened to reteach their young about the significance and importance of their gruesome practice, upon the workers and ceo’s of a gold mine,that they were indentured to. My position is, this group of natives have successfully driven these globalist bastards. If I want to preserve my freedom, I must become a part of a force that will actually defend themselves.

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mondobeyondo:

I think it boils down to this…

I’m willing to fight and possibly die for my country, against enemies foreign and domestic. But I will definitely NOT stand by and watch my country rob me of my wealth, my health, evict and starve me and my family, and incarcerate or possibly even kill me. It’s not that far fetched either. Just have the feds label me as a “terrorist”, or a threat to “national security”, and a friendly FBI agent will be knocking at the door. (Hopefully a good looking one, like Clarice in “Silence of the Lambs”). The “terrorist” guy who was killed by a drone in Yemen was a U.S. citizen, but that didn’t matter. Yes, he was an al-Queda operative, but he should have caught, extradited and subjected to “due process under law” as a United States citizen, born in the state of New Mexico.

If we meet the enemy, and it turns out to be us (thanks, Pogo!) then it may be time to head for greener pastures. Americans generally have the wrong idea about ex-patriation. They think moving to Paris or Buenos Aires or Moscow or wherever, is like packing up the kids and van and driving from Chicago to Miami. It is not.

There’s a different language to learn. A different culture. It’s expensive to move overseas. Hopefully those who are considering it know what they are getting themselves into.

In any event… *sigh*… if you live in the Midwest, Norway might be nice. It’s cold and snowy, and from what I hear, the people there are friendly, just like North Dakota. And there are probably good jobs and better opportunities there. It definitely helps if you know Norwegian, and if you like the pop group ABBA. (Yes I know. ABBA’s Swedish. Close enough!)

Me? I’m gonna stick it out and fight it out as long as I can. But damned if I’m going to wait until the exits start to close, while the screaming mobs wave their flags and shout “God Bless America!!”.

Screech……. Clank.

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Steve in Iowa:

I love this country just as much as anyone else here, but I do have to say something that’s been itching the back of my brain for awhile now.
I find it funny to see ex-military here saying how it would be cowardly to abandon ship. Where are you guys while the Constitution is being trampled on? Did you take your oath to the Constitution seriously? You call me a coward all you want, but it doesn’t change the fact that you FAILED to protect and defend the Constitution from any and all domestic enemies. You want to blame someone for the mess we’re in? Blame yourselves for blindly following orders (just like the Nazi’s), and letting our Liberty and God given rights be slowly eroded on your watch.

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SteveO:

I already have a 2nd bank account in Belize and am transferring money down there slowly. I am looking to purchase some property there and maybe retire. I might be retiring there sooner than I planned.

Belize has some of the best banking laws around, simple to open an account in person, not too expensive with a lawyer. English is the official language, warm weather, pristine beaches. Medium to low cost of living depending where you land. Could live on a boat too.

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N. Daniels:

We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one. (1 John 5:19)
“If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.” (John 15:19)
“Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world – the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life – is not of the Father but is of the world. And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever.” (1 John 2:15)
2 Corinthians 6:14Don’t team up with those who are unbelievers. How can righteousness be a partner with wickedness? How can light live with darkness? 15What harmony can there be between Christ and the devil? How can a believer be a partner with an unbeliever? 16And what union can there be between God’s temple and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God said: “I will live in them and walk among them.
I will be their God, and they will be my people. 17Therefore, come out from among unbelievers, and separate yourselves from them, says the LORD. Don’t touch their filthy things, and I will welcome you.

The preceding are just an encouragement to all who read them to hurry up and get out, but to move much farther than just to another country, move to an entirely new kingdom. This entire world belongs to the evil one and I moved out some time ago. Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world, if my kingdom were of this world, then, would my disciples fight”. I refuse to fight for something that has already been prophesied to fail.
2 Peter 3:10 “But the day of the Lord will come as unexpectedly as a thief. Then the heavens will pass away with a terrible noise, and the very elements themselves will disappear in fire, and the earth and everything on it will be found to deserve judgment.”
Definitely time to leave. Thanks for your blog.

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Robert Stone:

Any country is better. go where you have an open door, a desire and first research of potential for work, get used to the customs and thinking, and do whatever you have to do to make it. be prepared to have culture shock to wake you up out of your American thinking and brainwashing. You aren’t better than third world countries… they are.

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Jeff:

I was disgusted with the life in the US and left years ago. Since then I lived in 3 countries,
here are my experiences:
1. Canada – very peaceful, fairly prosperous country where neither I nor my family members have ever met a single mean Canadian. That might be different in the burgeoning immigrant populations.
Negatives – economic interconnection with the US and dark and bitterly cold winters from October thru April.
2. Malta – an English speaking island nation in the Mediterranean which is just a ferry ride from Italy. Enchanting scenery, especially in the North of the main island and on the smaller island of Gozo (3 bedroom there with seaview can be had from 100 euros a month). Violent crime is practically non-existent there. Excellent place to retire or live if you are wealthy already otherwise you need to find a source of income from outside the country. Flights to London can be on sale for less than the taxi ride to the airport.
3.Israel – starting with the negatives; a difficult place to live, which could have been every bit as picturesque as Italy of Malta but is not due to lots of ugly old apartment buildings dating to fifties and sixties and ubiquitous industrial plants. People here work very long hours with 12 hour shifts common. Many staples here cost a multiple of what they do in the US, but some like fruits and veggies are cheaper. Health care is very good and advanced and coverage is literally just as inexpensive as the internet. The biggest plus here is that the country is one huge Silicon Valley where lots of people with new ideas get very wealthy very quickly. Foreign investors generously fund Israeli ingenuity. Now also there is the expected windfall from the huge recent gas and oil finds near the Israeli shores. The language here is obsolete by 2000 years, but English is widely spoken especially among the educated people.

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JohnnyinthePedros:

Vote for Ron Paul and stay and fight.

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JustanOguy:

Interesting Article Michael. For about 1/3 of my life I lived in foreign countries in Europe and Asia so much of what you bring up hits the nail right on the head.

After a couple of years… you always want to move back to the U.S…. Not just my opinion but the majority of other U.S. Citizens that you’ll find all over the world.

Not too long ago… I was recently offered a job in a foreign country but passed for now primarily due to family reasons. It was Certainly a very attractive possibility and from my visit, I came across many other U.S. Citizens moving there because it’s so darn cheap… a complete bargain for the quality of life that goes along with it. I honestly really liked it… the laid back lifestyle where family is more important then money certainly appeals to me.

However, something about living in Las Vegas (Oh yeah… I’ve lived all across the U.S. also) is pretty exciting with all of the people that live and visit here from all over the country and world so it’s tough to leave.

And… As a couple of others have mentioned… bailing out right now and letting the goons win is weak.

Fact of the matter is that people have been too tolerant with the minority that push their distorted views or want everybody’s lives to be as miserable as theirs.

Time to stand up and boot them out back to the rocks they crawled out from underneath…. and let them leave the country if they don’t like it.

I’ve travelled around the world… there is no Utopia. Many countries would sink tomorrow if the U.S. handouts ended…

For the past couple of years I’ve become a much more generous person to other people I don’t know… but my guns are loaded… and my Passport with some gold and silver is ready.

I’d prefer to stay and spread my message that Washington D.C. and Wall Street are one in the same and that’s why the rest of the country is getting screwed…

2012 will indeed be the deciding factor… Time to take the garbage to the curb.

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Kevin2:

Stay in the US and relocate within it. Move to where the energy, food, and self reliant culture is. Get a trade that is useful for those areas, electrician, welder, certified automobile mechanic to name a few. Move to a rural or small town and make friends with the neighbors. When in Rome do as the Romans do. You don’t believe in God? Well if 90% of your neighbors do tell them otherwise and attend Church with them.

If your thinking of moving to another nation that nation may be one of the self reliant states. Remember the USSR broke up. It can very well happen here too. If it does be in the good part.

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Thiagarajan TVS:

Michael,

Relocation may be a temporary solace, but going
by your articles which I read regularly and
going by the reports in the dailies, every
economy will be affected by what is ha0ppening
in Europr or USA.

As I pointed out in my correspondence with you
more than six months ago, we are all overlooking
the one who created us. Unless we rea;oze tjos
and plan to take corresctive steps, we have no
other option but to allow the world economy to
collapse.

If we dont believe in God ( I know you dont like
this word), we have to believe in our leaders!

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Ragnar:

Good topic… one that I have considered myself in recent months in light of our current situation. I love my country but have become increasingly distrustful of our government. That being said, the principles upon which our nation was founded are second to none.

In doing some research on the topic several months ago I came across the following on the James Wesley Rawles’s website survivalblog.com. It is an interesting concept in which he advocates relocating to the northern rocky mountain states. Specifically Eastern Oregon and Washington, Idaho, Montana and Wyoming. The local government is minimally intrusive, population density is extremely low and the values of the local populace are typically libertarian/conservative. Wyoming, for example has zero income tax and zero corporate tax. Here is the link to the American Redoubt of Rawles:

http://www.survivalblog.com/redoubt.html

To the individual who stated that selfish conservatives would bring the downfall of our society, I would respond with the following: In a free, capitalist society selfish individuals who produce for their own self-interest create benefit for all.

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Prepared Pastor:

There is a state in the U.S. that already operates much like a third world country despite plentiful water, natural resources, and inexpensive (but fertile) land. It contains no nuclear reactors and most of it is outside the fallout zone potential targets. It has a high population of elderly who will not live long after TSHTF. Like third world countries, the cities are very much like other cities in the U.S. The countryside, however, is geologically separated by the oldest mountain range in the U.S. making much of the state inaccessible by automobile. The U.S. Census Bureau has designated WEST VIRGINIA as the ‘least typical’ (most backward) of any state in the U.S. It’s relative nearness to New England eliminated it from consideration for many people, but the truth is the mountains will stop the majority of unprepared folks from getting too far in and the community will take care of the rest.

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DaVid:

Anyone interested in Patagonia, Argentina as a place of escape which was during WWII for Germans, Jews, and everyone else who saw the handwriting on the wall then, and those who feel the same now, feel free to email me. In your email include something about your background and what you are looking to accomplish. Remember, it is not only better but it’s a matter of life-and-death to be 2 years or 2 months too early than to be 2 minutes too late. MF Global is a clarion warning shot across the financial bow of the United States of ponzi schemes (i.e., banking holidays and lockdowns). They are locking down the US with NDAA (indefinite detentions without due process) and the soon-to-be activated FEMA Camps.

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karen:

World War 111 is on it’s way, Russia and China are preparing as we speak, you can research it on the web, Syria will be envolved, Chine already has thousands of troops on the India border Isreal and the US will be envolved and so will Europe. The war of all wars, FEMA is activating prison camps. The economy is crashing all around us and most don’t even have a clue, huge sun flares will hit earth and most have no clue check out NASA.

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This_Is_My_Turf:

First off, you have nowhere to run and hide since the siege engine of the earth IS the USA. USA hosts the United Nations, Babylon on the Hudson. USA hosts the Federal reserve cartel. USA hosts the CIA, the DOD.

USA has been hijacked by a handful of Offshore operators, and engineered a system for which to employ traitors amongst us (like congress). Remember, The traitors in congress and the white house got hired via your “consent” the voter.

It is your fault that it is the way it is. CONUS is flooded with offshore folks who came here RUNNING from the problems and corruption in the country they originated in. They did nothing to overturn the oligharcs there, and they will do nothing to change things HERE.

I would suggest preparing yourselves HERE, and dealing with the oligarchy on this soil as it was done in 1775, as it was done in 1812, as it was attempted in 1860′s.

This is my turf, I am not going anywhere THE ENEMY is going, or some of us are going to die in the attempt.

State secession at legislative level, formation of organized and unorganized defense forces, and eliminating property tax on homes and land, and then the seceeded state outlawing any form of central banking is the most efficient order of operations.

What allows the central bank to survive is property tax on your homes and farmland, and that most evil social security number that tags you like cattle.

The “BIG EXPERIMENT” has proven itself to not work, it is time to return to confederated states and not empire (union).

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DirtyCar:

I am not American and have lived all over the world. I would recommend anybody who wishes to leave the US to check out Santiago in Chile. Good economy, good healthcare, lots of Starbucks and it’ll feel like home. Its one of the few countries in the world where US culture is still a thing to aspire to. English is widely spoken.

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Owen:

There is no hiding place down here. This will soon be apparent to all. We are in the end stages of a war that began before mankind set foot on this planet. Jesus is returning soon to rescue those who have placed their trust in Him for their eternal salvation. Endeavor to be part of this group. You were created for that decision and everything rides on what you decide. All else is folly.

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William:

Well, well, the Smirking Chimp Bush and the failed Obummer have left us with grim choices. Either run, or stay and become a slave. There are not enough willing to die to stay and fight, if it came to that. Welcome to the Gulag. And, be SURE to vote in Nov of 2012 and reelect the very same cretins in the US Congress……..you know, the ones like Kyl or Sessions or McConnell or Cantor or Hoyer or Pelosi. You get what you vote for.

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Ray Davis:

I see lots of interesting quotes about staying and fighting, how leaving is cowardice, etc.

Folks, we lost America.

The mainstream media is so corrupt that even my 9-year-old can tell we are being fed lies. The treasury has been looted. Our politicians are bought, threatened or blackmailed and they have delivered us to the dark side. Wall Street can now openly steal our individual property without consequences. The military and police are being prepped that “we” are the enemy.

I don’t see a lot of the American Republic remaining …. do you?

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joe:

My wife and I have lived outside of the USA for most of the last 20 years so this is a subject upon which I feel I have some expertise. This is the reality-there is no perfect place and no place that will offer you complete safety. Our last country of residence was Guatemala where we lived on a large estate with a 5 person staff. We recently moved to the mountains of North GA-where we have no staff (for economic reasons-the cost are too high here). So why? Latin and South American countries have more poor than North America. In the event of a world wide collapse, they will rise up and the wealthy will be targeted. Europe and Asia are too expensive. Thinking about an island paradise. Forget it. We lived on our boat for four years looking for that paradise. It doesn’t exist. Yes, there are places that are currently less expensive to live. However, you would not be reading this blog unless you believed the world is in an immediate threat of economic peril. We not like the current state of politics or culture in the USA but as much as we dislike it, the USA (or Canada) likely remains the best place to hunker down, as long as you select somewhere away from metro areas.

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Granite Prepper:

To all who say leave the country while you can…..that’s just weakness leaving the body!! I say good riddance to those who won’t stand and put skin in the game. Did our founding fathers run when it got hard?? Did they move to another country?? HELL NO!! The time is now to stand and be counted

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Robert:

I live in Brazil now and have for a long time as I moved here after I married a Brazilian, but what I have seen here since 2008 when the recession (depression) hit the states, people who where older than fifty where being fired and replaced with people in there 20s as the owners didn´t have to pay as much. And these people who lost their house, job and there pension went south, and they are married to a foreigner many packed up and left for the home country of their espouse. Some already had a vacation home in the espouse´s home country or not, but at least that was a roof over ones head that the banks could not take away. If one is over fifty and does not speak a second language, it will be diffucult to speak in a second lanuage at this age and ones espouse will always be their translator.  But nonetheless when I talked to some of these Americans they are happy that they moved too Brazil, because they lost everything in the states, their espouses are working even if they are not and when I asked if they feel if they have more freedom here than in the states, after thinking about it the response is here in Brazil there is more freedom, I believe here in Brazil ones does not talk about having freedom it is just here, but in the states, since one is a child it is almost pounded in ones head or shall I say brainwashed that one has freedom and democracy, which nowdays the two not exist, maybe a hundred years ago freedom and democracy existed in America, but not anymore.

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Mainuh1:

You can run but you can’t hide from the global collapse set to thin the herd. Before long the nukes will be flying as the resource grab kicks in to high gear.

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ross:

1.Some where where the locals share the same culture and language as yourself. Not being racist but in an emergency, if you cant connect and make friends with the locals, your going to be in trouble.

2. Near the coast so if there`s ever food shortages you can go fish

3. A good climate, not too hot or too cold if you cant get fuel to heat your home.

4. Any of these could be Europe or USA

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FrankyFreelance:

All Americans who are pondering jumping ship should be given a mandatory examination to test levels of intelligence, common sense and general obnoxiousness.

All of those who score low on the first two and high on the last should have their passports confiscated and be forced to go down with the ship.

PEACE

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Paul:

China is a good place,

if you are a quiet person and don’t mind people closer to you than you are used to.

Living in China is cheap, if you don’t mind eating rice and local produce and don’t insist on Western food and western food labels every day. An apartment in a secured compound for western people can be had for USD300 per month for two bedrooms. Add USD5 for a shuttle bus to the city center, or USD 0.50 for a subway trip to downtown.

China’s economy is growing at a rate of 8% every year. And most of the money is not spent on consumption but on investment in infrastructure.

Tax is about 30% for a western-level salary.

If you are friendly to the police they are friendly to you. If you shout at them because you think you are of a superior race, you have a permanent place at the end of the queue.

Foreign news are blocked in China, but who in America watches foreign news? There are about 200 TV channels, 20 of them with war themes, when the economy is going bad, this will increase to 150 channels with war themes, 20 with shopping, 20 with sports, and some drama stuff.
CCTV9 is for Westerners to tell them how good and geat China is.

Most Chinese in China speak Chinese. Not all of them speak Mandarin (Putonghua), but their local dialect. And most of them know white and black people only from TV. So people WILL STARE at you. Every day, wherever. They might have heard that black people have heavier equipment and will check out whether the rumours are true.
A Chinese girlfriend wants to know your job and how much you earn. That’s before the first date.

Compared with America, crime is not existing in China. The worst thing that can happen to you at night is that someone with an electric bicycle knocks you down because there isn’t any streetlight, he doesn’t use any light and you don’t hear him coming.

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Hans:

Just remember that the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence because there is more manure there!
If things collapse, you probably stand a better chance amongst your own people (better the devil you know….!!!)
During a collapse, people in other nations not responsible for that collapse will first look out for their own. Do not expect too much sympathy.
If you have children, persuade them to study and qualify in stable neutral countries. Do not place all your eggs in one basket. Also look at obtaining physical assets in safe countries. I believe a big collapse is due, but I am not sure whether Europe or the US will go first. By creating currency out of thin air and with the dollar being the reserve currency of the world, I do believe that the US can postpone the inevitable slightly longer than the Eurozone.

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Henry:

Your best solution is to stay yet become very wealthy. That’s what I’m working on 24/7 myself. I have already picked up my family and made a major geographic for the purpose of trying to escape to freedom, and I learned very much that the NWO is deeply entrenched in every place you could possibly go. The only escape is up, at least for a generation or two more anyways. Freedom today comes through financial wealth – embrace that reality, venture out, and make it work for you.

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nchris:

I’m with all those who want to stay here and fight for this country. As I’ve thought about this there is a problem, however. I’ve been a hunter & gun owner since childhood and would come to my country’s defense against those who we would all agree fall under the description of “domestic enemies”. But does that mean I’d be drawing a bead on my neighbor down the street who is a National Guard member, or local law enforcement officer? These are the very people to whom we express our gratitude and support. This is a big part of the problem for those who want to stay and fight. Fight against whom? The people who need to be brought down & eliminated will be able to hide behind the military & police forces. And those people in uniform, especially police forces, are being indoctrinated to see the “domestic enemy” not as their corrupt leadership, but the constitutional citizens trying to defend their rights.
The only way our freedom survives this is if the military leadership sees the truth and turns on the political and financial thugs that are designing our destruction.

Every totalitarian government eventually has to protect itself from its own citizens. Notice the change in defense spending? Used to be weapons systems like jet fighters, submarines, etc., now it’s weaponry and survellience to fight “terrorists”.
There is a storm coming.

I like the idea of giving the liberal/socialists their half of the country and the conservative/freedom lovers the other half. Pretty soon the liberal side will implode anyway.

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r.bitting:

Can a man hide himself from the hand of the Almighty God? Run if you want, but you will not save yourself. It’s a far, far better choice to run to God, and not from him.

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Arrandaman:

I left the USA in 2010. Two years after I realized that the government has the American public scattered and mentally inadequate to deal with what needs to be done. The divisions are so drawn in America that no one will unite to fight against the oncoming corporate slavery.

Ive been living in Australia and it is bad over here just not as bad as the USA. One can actually make money here as an average worker.

A rally call needs to be made to take down the lobbyists and career politicians that are owned by the financial institutions. Until we go backwards to find the constitution as it was written we will always be enslaved. A slave wage system is in place and our lives and freedoms are at stake. Treason is being passed down daily in congress by the president and they all need to be brought under control of the people.

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Marco Polo:

I’ll quote from the words of Jesus: “Whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.” This is found in 3 of the 4 gospels, so it must be a pretty important concept. (See Matthew 16:25, Mark 8:35, Luke 9:24) As it applies to this conversation, I would say it means that if you’re trying to find the safest place to live just to protect yourself from harm, good luck! The safest place to live is right in the center of God’s will. He promises to take care of His children. This does not mean you will not die, as there have been plenty of martyrs (as well as probably many more that have been spared from being a martyr), but I would rather die while doing God’s will than die while trying to find the safest place for me to live. We will all die sometime, so 100 years from now, the thing that is going to matter is whether you responded to God’s love for you and did what He asked you to do.

Having said that, I travel almost constantly for work, and I’ve been in about 20 countries so far. I have never found another place that I would rather live–it’s going to be interesting if that changes.

Two places that come to mind that are very easy to get around in are Hong Kong and Singapore. They have an incredible transportation system. You don’t need to own a car. But I don’t know how easy it is to move to one of these places.

Is there any country you can move to without getting permission? Maybe Canada?

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Marco Polo:

I wonder what happened to those jews who decided to stay the course in 1938-42 Germany. There are 6 million less to tell that story. If your gut tells you to jam, I say listen to your gut. That having been said, while there is no shame to staying or leaving, there will be penalties paid for making the wrong move. Either way, there are pluses and minuses. Regardless of where you go or decided to be, there will be a price to be paid. In the end, we need to face the fact that we are in matrix. You are scr@wed regardless of where you are. The only thing that modifies this calculus is if you happen to be (as some have said) independently wealthy.

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Erin:

It is naive to think that people will not relocate as jobs and public services go down the tubes. Given the ability to move, people will move just for a better school, a better job or a better standard of living. Detroit is an example.

We are a nation of immigrants, moving out of the country is part of the cultural DNA. It should be noted that every individual that leaves costs a small fortune in lost revenues, it is the usually the best and brightest that jump ship.

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Alex Linhares:

Brazil or Chile should be considered (I am Brazilian, and I love the US, and I am extremely concerned about the unfolding scenario).

I have been through hyperinflation, serious crime sprees, govmnt default, bank confiscation of money in ALL accounts (google president Collor), you name it.

Brazil today is stable, and even the crime situation is improving rapidly. Record low unemployment, skilled people actually make MORE here than in London, NYC, or Tokyo due to the deep shortage of skills. We’re a country of immigrants, from Japanese to Africa to all parts of Europe. We love people and foreigners in general. Three world events are on the horizon here: Rio+20 (2012), the soccer world cup (2014), and the Olympics (2016 in Rio).

The weather is nice, there is plenty of rainfall (food), you can own guns (if you must, but in the large cities the educated people will frown upon you), you can say whatever you like about our pathetic corrupt politicians.

We hardly import any oil. 90% of cars run on sugar cane ethanol. The biggest oil discovery of this decade has been here (though it’s hard to get and our politicians can f*ck things up to the point of having the deepwater horizon disaster seem like a disney movie). Electricity is generated by dams (also some nuclear).

Unbelievably, we have gotten rid of hyperinflation, crime is getting to lower standards (Ipanema’s human development index is *higher* than the scandinavian countries). People are overall happy with life, and foreigners make friends here easily.

Median age of women: 28 (according to wikipedia; the same for the US is 37, for germany is 44). So lots of fertile girls around, if you’re young, and skilled you’ll have the time of your life.

We haven’t had a war in over 100 years. Nobody hates us (except perhaps a little bunch of people in Paraguai, or maybe Bolivia that see us as an empire, if you can believe that). The Brazilian passport is the most expensive on the black market, because anyone can say, plausibly, that they were born in Brazil (except Albinos, perhaps).

There are small towns in the south where you’d think you’re in Europe.

This is Pomerode, where everyone speaks fluent german:

https://www.google.com/search?q=Pomerode&hl=en&safe=off&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=imbgTuOCB8bMtgf05fjSBQ&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CBQQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=702

Was that your image of Brazil?

On the negative side: It’s a welfare state full of paternalism. Politicians are corrupt (but getting caught more and more). My entire generation is inflation-hawk, so if we start importing those trillions of computer-keyboard-created-dollars-hyperinflation, we’ll have to decouple the BRL from the USD and the greenback slide (our politicians are FAR from realizing this at this point, though–which means it will me a little messy). Also a negative: you have to learn portuguese. You will also have to learn to get used to smaller cars.

I also like Chile. It’s the unknown Switzerland of the Americas. What’s their debt-to-GDP? 6%. Yes, SIX percent debt-to-gdp. So when the dominoes start falling and people start looking for countries without debt, a tsunami of money will flow into Chile. The police there is outstanding (just try to bribe them). It’s not a welfare state and has relatively low taxes. Pretty girls. Overall, awesome country.

I hope some of this helps. Since I assume people will mention Australia, NZ, etc; I just focus on Brazil & Chile. By no means do I think Brazil & Chile will turn out unscathed from the big one, but the zombie outbreaks will be tiny, if any. Food will be plentiful; cars will be running, and skilled jobs are in extremely high demand.

This is my first comment on your blog. I’ve been following it for some months now, and It’s awesome. I particularly like the fact that you link to “credible” sources. Keep it up!

Good luck to us all; I can only hope that this will not end in an unthinkable massive war.

I am a Univ Prof here and teach decision-making (to lots of Americans and Europeans in M.Sc. Programs). A sad thing in my life is that people here are so uninformed about the rich-world crisis that when I mention it, they look at me as if I were insane. For example, nobody thinks gold will have any value.

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tommcd:

The easiest places for Americans to relocate to would be Canada, Australia, and New Zealand because the language is English and the culture is similar. I would avoid the UK because they seem to be in just as big a mess as the USA currently is.

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Karen:

My husband and I have relocated to Italy.  It was a well planned exit and it was not for the current economic problems. Part of the consideration was our ability to live on what we have saved though. My husband has dreamed of living in a certain area to make a certain grape into wine.  He has his masters in enology and viticulture.  His grandparents immigrated from this same area of Italy to the US.  We are able to live here much cheaper than we could in the US farming the same amount of grapes.  We will be as self sufficient as we can with gardening etc.  Almost every neighbor has a garden and many different kinds of fruit trees and nuts. We have the most efficient  heating system possible and live without many of the “standards” like a dryer, microwave, garage door opener…because electricity is so expensive.

We have many neighbors our age from many different countries also.  The Netherlands, Switzerland, Norway,Britain, Scotland, Russia, Romania… you get the idea.

My husband is a Marine, my father and grandfather were in the US Army and participated in WWI and WWII.  Though I am labeled an “expat”, I am still a US citizen living in a country with many of the same values and ideas that I have.  Considering Italy and the economy, the people here have never had a good government.  They have learned how to live by paying in cash, not having a mortgage, growing their own vegtables, buying their meat products within 30 miles,  if not actually knowing the farmer. They have an attitude of surviving without the help of the government (except for their unions of course).  This is not a perfect place, but you must make choices and decide what your priorities are first.  If you like beautiful weather, good food, great wine, people who put family first, art and architecture to die for…

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Open your eyes!:

There is but one place to run and hide, and that place is God — Yahweh Elohiym, as he identified himself in Genesis and to Moses, at the burning bush.

“Yahshua (Jesus) said to ‘love Yahweh your God with all of your heart, mind, soul and body’ then all the things that you need will be given to you as well. That does not mean religion, which is idiocy and falsehood. But he must seek him in spirit and in truth.

Five sevenths of the Scriptures are directed at America (the center piece of the House of Israel). And what is written about America is coming to pass before our very eyes.

From RRB:

” It is no accident that people from all over the world have been flocking to America in droves for over 300 years, and especially after she became a nation in 1776. She was prophesied by Isaiah and Jeremiah, to be a light to the world – a blessing to every nation on earth – to be nation with an east coast, a west coast and divided by many rivers! America is the ONLY nation in the world that fits any and all of those prophecies, and dozens more. And her destruction is also prophesied, for her rebellion against and rejection of God (Elohiym). From the true land of milk and honey to the Great Whore of Revelation, America is the rebellious House of Israel – the Ten Northern Tribes of the Scriptures!”

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Old School:

An excellent topic, by the way. A few thoughts from a historian/economist/prepper… First, if the U.S. collapses, the rest of the planet collapses with it. You simply can’t have the largest economy, and the world reserve currency, collapse without all the other dominoes falling as well. So will there be any intact cultures left to which we Americans could possibly flee? Once all of the follow-on convulsions play out, I do not think so. At least none that we “arrogant, fat, rich, consumerist, imperialist” former Americans would find good for our long-term health.

Realistically, for the overwhelimg majority of us, this leaves only one option: remain here in the U.S., do the best we can to survive, engage in our local commuities, and attempt to rebuild our republic one step at a time. No doubt this would be a brutal, lengthy, and costly process. It would not be the first time, or the last time, that the blood of both good and bad people is shed in the name of liberty and a better life. No escape, no magic bullets, no easy answers.

Americans today are hated by many around the world. We are also appreciated by many. Irrational biases aside, our constitutional republic has proven to be the most effective form of government at safeguarding individual liberty that the world has seen in all of its history. Our problem today is precisely what our founding fathers feared: our central government has become too powerful and is no longer accountable to the people. It has created a welfare mentality, which our founders knew would corrupt and enslave those caught up in it. It engages in Hegelian Dialects in order to strip us of our liberties. It interferes with the sovereignty of other nations while giving our’s away to world bodies.

WTSHTF we most likely will not have any place on the globe to run to. However, it very well may be both a threat and an opportunity.

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Luis:

I think moving comes down to choosing the lesser of evils. I’m very concerned with the coming economic collapse, but I’m much more concerned with the potential of another World War. We have stirred up a lot of hatred around the world over the last few decades. We currently owe China around 3 trillion dollars. How do you think they are going to react if the U.S. should default on its debt? The U.S. is starting to look like ground zero to me.

‘God would never allow a massive nuclear war to take place on this planet, let alone in the United States’, you might think. Remember, He already allowed two nuclear bombs to go off during WWII. Don’t be so sure it’s impossible.

BTW, getting into Canada, New Zealand, and Australia is not as easy as you think. I tried all three a few years ago and was not able (though I have no criminal record, am educated and with good work experience, I could not get enough ‘points’ in the assessment survey- mostly because at 48 I was deemed too old). Ironically, all three countries could care less what you’re net worth is. If you’re loaded, they seem to expect you to start a business that creates jobs- then they are interested in you. Otherwise, you had better be young and educated. I was shocked when I found this out. And here in the U.S., we let anyone over our border. It’s unbelievable…

Anyways, be careful with the Latin American countries. With the exception of Uruguay (that has a large middle class), crime can be a problem.

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SMASH THE CONTROL MACHINE:

LET YOUR KINGDOM COME!!!All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth. 14 People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15 If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.

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JBurdman7:

I dont know what your commentators are doing recommending bankrupt European countries or countries bordering bankrupt European countries. Do they think “the coming economic collapse” is for those with surpluses? Lets go where the standard of living is on the rise please!

So we have Australia, New Zealand, and Canada as resource based economies which should fare well. Add Singapore to the category for those who do not wish to learn another language.

There is Costa Rica for an inexpensive place to be with the relatively easy to learn Spanish. I suppose there are areas with significant numbers of English speakers but you will need to do your own research on that topic.
And then there is Asia! Philippines, Thailand, Taiwan, S Korea, China – I would gladly read a discussion about any of the Asian options with a particular interest in Thailand.

To posters “Ray Davis” and “mondobeyondo” – brilliant posts. Please search the net for my name and drop me a note. It shouldnt be hard to find me. You are just the guys who all need to KIT for when TSHTF we can navigate out of here and start over. A lot of research is needed. No sense us all doing it independently.

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Peter E:

Hey, come to Australia!

We welcome everyone – even Prez Obama (our politicians even shook his hand unlike Russian politicians). We have a new base for marines in Darwin. So we are new target for China. However, they love us as we sell them tons of iron ore and stuff like that! Don’t let the fact that 6 nukes would wipe out 80% of the population – all of the major cities.

But sadly don’t come here if you are over 45. Almost guaranteed no one will employ you as the companies are quickly becoming “Americanised” and dump experience for cheap contract employees. It even happens in the government. Corruption is strong and if you run a business and export, the policies favour the cheap and law is ignored. For example, anti-dumping laws are ignored as it offers cheap goods for consumers. The government wont help you (or your company) if a country is imposing huge import tariffs (eg 30-100%) and fees.

We had a thriving chemical industry, but when we opened up “free” trade, exporters could dump goods here, pay no tariffs, but we had to pay huge tariffs , import duties, customs duties , etc. No help from our government – just like the US I guess so you would probably be used to it!

Oh, and our politicians are just as feeble a lot as yours.

On the good side we don’t have the intrusive body searches or revealing body scanners. If you are travelling over 12 hours on a flight to anywhere you’ll be too tired to be a problem. I think even the terrorists think that too far to go to way jihad or whatever.

The biggest shock will be if you want coffee with cream or half and half. Its white coffee and the regular stuff is black. Cream is milk. While you may regularly sprinkle the ****** expletive without thinking about it, we use terms like “bloody” and “damn”, so if someone is really intentionally stupid they’ll be called a “bloody idiot” or similar. Noone will “bat any eyelid”. And if you don’t like it, we “wont give a damn”.

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Orange Jean:

I am in love with this country and have no intentions of ever leaving!

I’m not young enough (61) or strong enough (arthritis and a few other age-related things) to imagine I could fight here in any meaningful way if it came to that. But if it did and there was anything I could figure out to do, I would. I would literally rather die here than live elsewhere. My thanks, by the way, to those of you who have served in the military… especially the Marines (I work for you guys, at NMCPHC, part of the Medical Support Command).

I believe the only place in the world a person has a snowball’s chance in hell of surviving hard times is where you are a citizen. Nope, it doesn’t always work, but I’d hedge my bet on that one. My grandparents (all of them) had a very hard time where they lived before (the Azores & Poland), and we were taught to love this country.

I did not say I love the government necessarily (tho I do believe in the Constitution), but it’s the LAND I love! I also think it’s a sacred place (even before there was a United States). I’ve lived in multiple states (Massachusetts, Maine, California, Utah, North Carolina & currently in Virginia). Some places I liked better than others, and there was some back and forth, for example I’ve moved to CA 3 x). I’ve traveled around and back and forth across the US a lot… and I can’t get enough of it!

Almost every time I’ve said to myself, well maybe next vacation I ought to go see some other country – by the time that next vacation comes around, I’ve already got yet some new place in the US I’m just dying to see what it’s like, or hankering to go back to see some place I’ve been.

The places I’ve been are fascinating, and I would most likely “head for the hills” somewhere (I love mountains especially) given the choice. I’ve got family that are too scattered (FL, NH, TN & MI and I’m currently in VA)… and while I love them, I think a bit too scatterbrained to be much help in terms of survival.

When I was younger, I used to think I wanted to live outside the US for a time, but I’ve long since changed my mind. Since 9/11? I have no intention of ever leaving this country again (I’ve been at least to Mexico and Canada a few times, plus a few places in the Caribbean)… not even to vacation.

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Cyrus:

I raised my two sons in Greece, isle of Crete. Beautiful people, great place. I have lived and worked in North Africa, south-east Asia, southern Europe. There are numereous reasons to go but the polical climate is changing in almost every country. I won’t go back to North Africa on a dare. CIA is stirring up trouble day and night. I have heard great things of old soviet republics from guys who have married women from those areas and decided to stay there instead of moving to the states. I wrote an article expressing my thoughts on it here: http://dont-tread-on.me/?p=11092 . If you are young and want a challenge the old soviet republics may be the way to go. I know a lot of friends and distant cousins who moved to Keny and surrounding area as missionaries and say they will never come back. Their children feel the same way.

Think about it long and hard. I have heard high marks for Chile and Mexico. (Mexico sounds a little to wild west for me.

Good luck what ever you decide.

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El Pollo de Oro:

I’ve done a considerable amount of traveling in Western Europe (been to Italy, Spain, England, Scotland, France, Portugal, Gibraltar, Ireland and other countries). And most of the “socialist” countries over there are really capitalist countries with somewhat of a safety net and some protections for the middle class. I always laugh my head off when some neocon clown like Sean Hannity or Rush “Pillhead” Limbaugh compares modern-day Switzerland or modern-day Germany to the old Soviet Union because some of the most entrepreneurial, hardcore capitalist people I’ve ever met live in Milan, London, Berlin, Geneva or Munich. For Hannity and others like him to say that the Netherlands or Denmark is exactly like the old Soviet Union is truly idiotic. But then, what do you expect from a guy who went ballistic and turned red-faced because Signore Obama put Dijon mustard on a hamburger? 50 million Americans lack health insurance, the country is falling apart—and Hannity is worried about what the president puts on a stinking burger. There are some intelligent people on the right who are very good at standing up to the corporatists and neo-feudalists (Alex Jones, for example), but when these neocons tell us that our only two options are people starving in the streets or a Soviet-style communist government, it shows you just how clueless they are.

Hannity should spend a week in Milan, Italy followed by a week in Guatemala City—and no bodyguards are allowed in either place. The worst thing that would probably happen to him in Milan is maybe a gypsy picking his pocket on the Metro or one of the locals laughing at the dumbass tourist who gets upset whenever folks speak to him in Italian. But in Guatemala City, Hannity might want to keep that “I’m filthy rich and you’re not” stuff to himself in case there are any DPDDTT collectors around.

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A.S.:

I am going to Israel. Actually, I am already here. I believe in Bible prophecy that when the ultimate war comes, Israel will be saved by G-d! Even if you are not Jewish, so long as you are in Israel and take the side of Israel (don’t listen to all the “evil zionist” nonsense), you too will be saved. Look at the first Desert Storm war: Sadam shot so many missiles on Israel, and only one person died (due to mental shock)! So, if you too are G-d fearing, Bible reading folk, you know the answer. If not, may G-d have mercy on you because there will NO WHERE ON EARTH WILL BE SAFE!

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emma:

No one will get away from teh economic collapse, but if I had a choice I would say Australia or Canada. the US is screwed.

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chowthen:

The real power in any country is the Central Bank. The governments are run by Central Bank so all the laws and restrictions or individual rights are by the Central Banks. So what’s the use of moving out of the US? When the SHTF comes to the US all other country in the world is affected and will probably be in even worst situation. All the ignoramus who thinks they’d be better of in an unfamiliar society can do what they want and move but don’t try to come back after the SHTF or you get hard up where you are.

As I said, the final outcome of all this after the US gets the SHTF is one world government ran by one Central Bank. Remember what Amstel Rothschild said “Give me the control of the nations money and I care not who makes the laws”

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EZ:

The question still remains: WHERE to run?

The simple answer is that there’s nowhere to run, nowhere to hide from the coming economic collapse. The Goldman-Sachs people invented a financial virus, which has infected the entire world. Even if you live in some out-of-the-way place like Fiji, when the financial system crashes, you won’t be able to buy much of anything not made locally.

My wife is originally from Russia, and our daughters have dual citizenship. My wife is an American citizen. We had several discussions about this subject, and we’ve decided to stay and fight, since the only difference between E.Europe an the USA is that we have access to plenty of weapons.

Those who think you can somehow avoid what’s coming, are wildly optimistic. If you run, you’ll always be running.

We’ll stay and fight, for our homes, our families, and posterity.

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Ted:

I”ve been all over Europe, Mexico, and the west coast of Canada, and the only place that I felt a culture shock was in Yugoslavia(back when it was called Yugoslavia). It was like going back in time a good fifty years. I have a number of friends who have traveled extensively in Asia, India, and south america, and they loved it(although they aren’t going back to Asia or India anytime soon). What I hear from people who go abroad for the first time is that they can’t believe how beautiful it is.

A lot of people have this idea that it’s dangerous to travel or live down in Nicaragua, Guatemala, Panama, etc., and the people I know that live down there want it to stay that way. They don’t want a horde of expats stampeding down to what is increasingly not much of a secret anymore.

If you have money, an income stream of some kind, and don’t have a record; you have a chance of getting down there. If not, forget about it. The standard of living is still pretty good in the US. As far as security, laws, and freedom go; not so great anymore.

Here’s my short list: The Bahamas, Uruguay, Ecuador, Chile, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Panama.

Europe is in the same boat as the US, China is following our lead, and Asia and Africa are a little iffy right now.

South america has a lot of little counties with a high standard of living, that are easy to get lost in. Their economies are stronger, you might not make as much money if you’re working down there, but your money goes a lot farther. Pretty much everybody speaks English down there, and there’s already a lot of expats to welcome you to your new digs.

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mark:

ARGENTINA. we moved here from SoCal about 12 years ago. total basket case of a country. ruled by knaves and nitwits. if we could find a better place to live, we’d leave tomorrow. but until that place appears, we stay: all rules and regulations here are ignored…people just simply do as they please, until a neighbor objects…every man for himself…exactly as god ordained.

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Old Man:

All the talk about moving out misses a huge raw reality.

What make you think other countries will approve your immigration application, and even if approved the locals will actually welcome you? That local business will actually hire a recently immigrated American packed solid with their famous arrogance, freaking constitutional rights, lawsuit at a drop of a pin, big fat dinner everyday, and talk of Uncle Sam cruise missiles coming your way the moment someone insulted you?

America today is certainly not the same as even 2 decades ago. Up to 1990, America was still a country admired. But foreign & trade policies of US government and war-by-globalization conducted by big biz execs have damaged the American brand most severely. The coup de grace was Wall Street banksters who sold many billions of fraudulent securities to foreigners, who then lost everything. Have you ever asked any of a million foreign investors who lost their shirts when Lehman and other failed how they felt? I have.

What make you think any foreign country will approve immigrations from so many Americans? Yes 99% of you who applied are very fine folks but sorry you are the victims of the devastation of US policies and reputation.

But I do suggest you go through the immigration exercise for one or two countries. You will most likely fail because all countries (except the 4th world) immigration laws are just as or even tougher than that of USA. But your exercise will let you gain a first hand appreciation of the true meaning of ‘reap what you sowed’. Such, I am sorry to say, is how far America has fallen in world standing.

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Matty:

What a joke-there is no escape! You are in the world no matter where you run. Better run to God folks. Then you can be in the world, but not of the world.

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Klean:

I feel that certain northern European countries (Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Denmark) might be excellent choices. Belgium seems extremely appealing in some ways. Canada could be more appealing if it focused on itself more than its invaluable trade partner that essentially fuels the nation. There is so much U.S. influence in every country and I feel the U.S. often forgets that it is not THE WORLD, it is a country as well.

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Kiwi:

My suggestion would be New Zealand
We got hardly any people
freshest water in the world
no dangerous species
very little military
south islands got Lots of bunnies to eat.
and the whether is mild. never to cold, never to hot.

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KingofClay:

I love the comments who refer to people as traitors or cut-and-runners who leave the United States for a better life, as – unless these comments are posted from Native Americans – they come from the descendants of people who have done just what they oppose.

I live in Sweden now as I saw the hellish fate of the USA coming a long way off. I didn’t choose to live in Sweden because of any socialist philosophy (I’m more libertarian than practically anyone) but because I saw it as a place where people can still have a future. Yes, the tax rates are high here, but I earn more money than I ever earned in the United States. And even after paying taxes for a bunch of liberal social services that I will never use myself, I still have more disposable income at the end of the month than I ever had in the United States. And that is what really matters. It just goes to show – when you live in a country that doesn’t spend countless billions of dollars on murdering people and breaking things, there is enough money left to do practically anything. Norway is the prime example of that.

I would recommend Americans move to Scandinavia with Norway being the most attractive place. All Scandinavians speak English and the truth is you can live here just fine by just speaking English without knowing a word of Swedish, Danish, or Norwegian. Start by teaching abroad at an English language school (they’re everywhere in Sweden & Norway), working on a farm in one of the many programs available, or being a cook/chef at a restaurant. Or try finding a spouse in Scandinavia.

Remember: The point of every government immigration office is to prevent people from coming to the country, not to let them in. So roll with the punches and overcome all the usual B.S. the immigration office throws at you long enough, and eventually they will give up and grant you a residence permit.

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FreeRussian:

Although it is a personal choice whether to live the country or stay and fight, I would still like to input my 5 cents. Many comments here do inspire to stay and fight, but if we examined it carefully we would come to a conclusion that brave comments come from the people who are aware and read this and alike blogs. The problem that America faces today is a symptom of a long and chronic disease that infected the country long time ago. The process of deconstruction is not triggered by the NWO puppeteers until they see that the society is completely corrupted of moral values and ready for destruction. This is the reality. The question here is this. Do you stay and die fighting, or do you leave and carry the torch of knowledge with you. The Black Friday crowd will not appreciate your death anyway; more likely associate you with a “home grown terrorist”. They get a regular brainwashing session every minute they watch the box, and they do watch it hours and hours every day. So, does it make sense to die and burry the knowledge 6’ under or try to spread it through a different location? As for myself, I left my home country when it was destroyed in 1991. Ever since I lived in Europe, Canada, States, back in Canada. But now I am thinking to leave. I try to educate people, ask them provocative questions, wake up their curiosity and thinking. But is all useless. They are either not interested or cannot get it. They are like under some kind of spell. I also know that these people are going to be used against me by the puppeteers to loot my savings and my food reserves. When the ship is sinking the rats are jumping off of the ship. The have a 50/50 chance. If they stay they have a 100% chance to die. Logic tells me that we leave the sinking ship. (50% is not that small of a chance, you surely would want to get a lottery with this chance, wouldn’t you?)

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Prepare Protect and Pray:

Excellent input! Our founding fathers and patriots have given their lives for our freedom.

How sad is it that people would rather run away than fight the evil elitists who seek to steal all of our wealth and our freedom, to setup their New World Order.

Thomas Jefferson warned “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them, will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.”

Henry Ford said, “It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning“.

So what’s the answer? Remove the elite bankers who own and manage the Federal Reserve, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Citibank, etc.. And when I say remove, I don’t mean by voting or by calling your corrupt congressman, I mean by revolution.

President James Madison said “If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.”

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Agelbert:

Another thing I would like to add is that, absent a nuclear war, the main beef that people in the USA have is government interference in their businesses and personal affairs. From mandatory insurance on everything from cars to mortgages to “health” care, increasingly detailed car inspections designed to guarantee a good income for local mechanics and car dealers, increased taxes on food, gasolene and property along with increased government fees for services like title transfer, registration, hunting licences, park access to “public” lands, not to mention ridiculous zoning restrictions, etc. while people’s incomes are actually going down drives people nuts and makes them want to run away.

It seems we can no longer reason with our local and state governments. They just want more and more for their corporate bosses.

It seems every avenue we have to try to stretch our dollar and make ends meet has a government or corporate goon gatekeeping to make sure they get more swag from us.

Well let me tell you that, in the example of the USSR, it was much worse. When things began to unravel, not becasue of war or violence, but because people just stopped cooperating, while roving gangs did become a problem that people had to organize against, all the oppressive government restrictions DISAPPEARED! Would you like to have sheep on your quarter acre? How about chikens in your yard? A homemade wind mill that runs a generator to run a current theough an iron bar in your house for heat without inverters or anything fancy?

All this is the bright side of the gubmint biting off more than the fascist gestapo control freaks there can chew. Remember that IF the Fed is stupid enough to trash the dollar totally, the gestapo has no buying power to support their families with goods and services. That’s what happened (for other reasons) in Russia. Since the 700 trillion dollar derivatives MESS that the neoliberal agenda has created is forcing the Fed to devalue our currency to save the bacon of the banking crooks, it is inevitable that the security fascists on the front lines will get cheated and feel resentful. The end result will be more freedom from government intrusion here in the USA.

It’s not all bad, folks.

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Mark:

Switzerland

1. Highest salaries in the world
2. Lowest taxes in Europe(Canton Zug)
3. Unemployment rate = 3%

My friend is 31 and makes $140K and pays 9% total income tax. Speaks english at work, so no foreign lanaguage requirement. Minimum wage is around $50K, no joke.

Downside is that everything is expensive, but you can definately save money.

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survivingshtfmom:

Europe will be toast soon…if you think Germany is ‘safe’ think again, everyone will be trying to get in there. Asia? hmm…not with the Chinese or North Korans waiting for their chance to make a move. Japan? nope, too dependant upon imports…Canada? nope economic reasons, not to mention they don’t want us and are very strict with immigration. England? don’t think so, they are so far in the hole and depend on imports too. Ireland? in the same hole as us.

Running isn’t the answer. Staying put and doing what you can to help yourself is. Get out of the cities as far away as you can. Get some skills besides driving and complaining. Make friends with others who have real skills as you learn yours. Get some faith. Store food and water. Keep your mouth shut about your plans. I might make suggestions but I don’t tell all…loose lips sink ships you know? especially with DHS wanting everyone to rat on each other.

We are ALL in for a rough ride, one country goes and its like dominoes my friends. I just can’t figure out which one we are.

My father was a decorated Vietnam Vet, my husband was a Marine in the first Gulf War…these colors don’t run.

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Pastor Donald S. Eskine:

This Is What We Need To Do AS Americans!
REPENT!
14If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.(2Chronicles 7:14

But You Must Know; The King Is Coming! (King Jesus)

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James:

If you don’t mind not living in the cities of the U.S. You probably won’t feel as much of an effect of the turmoil that will occur in the cities. If you can get a small farm and grow your own food, have the ability to sell some of the food, know how to fix and make things, can keep yourself physically fit and healthy. You should be alright. Most of the violence and lawlessness will be in the populated areas. The military and police will primarily concentrate on populated areas and not so much the rural areas. So, if you live in the country, you should be much better off.

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Stephanie:

Heartening to see how many people feel strongly about staying in the US and refusing to give up on her. I will NOT allow my country to be defined by the swamp called D.C. nor by those in the financial sector that have surely damned themselves to eternal Hell for how they have chosen to conduct themselves. I’m ready, willing and able to fight for her life (and mine) and fight for her I will!

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Agelbert:

There are a lot of serious and well thought out posts here which logically and accurately anticipate that a segment of the population will fight tyranny to the death, another segment will run and another segment will turn themselves into an amoral pretzel just to be on the gubmint’s good side. Depending on how much the gubmint squeezes the populace, this last segment will splinter into those that join the fight against tyranny and those that remain paralyzed and coopted by gubmint propaganda.

But let’s say that the squeeze is long and slow. What then? You have a home, a job and some free time now, as well as many conveniences that you will miss if you leave as well as missing family, community and cultural comfort. You must decide the point at which you are unwilling to compromise.

I have a modest retirement income. I realized about ten years ago that the greedsters and war profiteers have taken over the USA. I bought a manufactured home in a rent controlled state (Vermont), paid it off in 5 years and now can live in my 980 square feet quite decently ($415 lot rent) without fear of property taxes ruining me (about $700 for $48,000 assessment)or the gubmint or other criminals bothering me too much because I live a frugal life so I am not much of a target. I have a 15 year old car and no debts. If there is a worldwide gasolene shortage I can ride a bicycle to the supermarket if need be with no fear of being mugged as is the case in some countries. Remember that if you move, say, to Central or South America, you will need to take measures to avoid being a target of the gubmint or other criminals by living quietly without any outward bling.

I say, if you are going to have to do it there, why not just do it here? As others have said, the neoliberal assault is world wide. Why not just stay where you know the turf? Things may improve when most of your neighbors finally get it about the greedster/war profiteer takeover of the USA. You’ll have some ratfinks, sure, but at least you know the culture because it is your culture and you can more easily tell friend from foe as well as maintaining family, community and certain conveniences you are accustomed to.

Do you think all the tricks our gubmint is up to aren’t being repeated all over the planet? Do you think that you won’t have to fight the neoliberal onslaught somewhere else but without the benefit of being a member of that culture? Think again.

Finally, I disagree with those in the country that want to set up mines to keep the city folks from gaining refuge. They are Americans! What kind of future country do you want to build if you are going to start shooting desperate and needy families on sight? SHAME ON YOU! Love your neighbor as yourself is NOT OPTIONAL if you are a Christian. If you aren’t, you might as well move to Wall Street and embrace the neo-liberal greedster/war profiteering/people-are-commodities-to-be-used-and-discarded mind set.

If the city folks on the run show up, set them to work earning their keep tilling the soil, canning, picking the ticks off the horses or digging for worms. More people around defending an area means more security from human predators with guns.

Let’s stay here, treat each other with respect and work towards direct democracy. If we die trying, at least we died for a good cause.

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Randy:

I lost my job 2.5 years ago. My wife and I restructured our lives somewhat. We don’t buy anything we don’t need. We live mainly off our small farm and some part-time work when available. Last year we grossed around $8000. We still live surprisingly well and are very happy. One thing, it is not a life for someone lazy, or in need of an extravagant lifestyle. At one period I put 200 miles on my car in six months. We do have one thing going for us, we don’t owe anything and that is a key issue. I really think that is what individuals and the government should strive for, NO DEBT.

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stillcode:

This topic is very relevant to me so here are my 2 cents from my perspective.

I will soon graduate from graduate school with a degree in a medical field in which there is currently a large dearth of available workers. Job openings are available in virtually every state within the US. I will also soon be starting a family of my own. My first few years of working will be towards eliminating my student loan debt.

Many people on here have been saying how those who desert America are nothing but traitors and good riddance to them if they leave. They need to realize that the America of today is very different to the America that our founding fathers envisioned. My loyalty is first to my family, secondly to my country. If I can achieve the American dream outside of the US, I will do so.

Everyone who lives in the US is contributing to the problem by the forced taxation of our labor. Our taxes feed the beast, and it is in my moral judgment that voting with your feet and starving the beast is the better path to walk. I only see things turning around when enough people vote with their money and their feet to collapse the system, then rebuild from the ground up. Ex-patriots, whether they realize it or not, are contributing to this goal.

Realistically, what can we citizens do to change America? The voting system is broken, protesting has had negligible gains (whoop-dee-doo, BoA no longer charges $5 for checking accounts), our politicians represent the corporate interests through lobbying rather than their constituents, etc, etc, etc. Are people in any significant numbers going to express their dissent through getting off of their bums? People vehemently talk about retaking America, but then they don’t act on their words. Talking without action is meaningless. The most effective and non-violent form of protest, in our situation, is to vote with our feet.

I have had the experience of living in Japan, so I will say a few things about those thinking about moving to Japan.
As a foreigner, it will be difficult to start your own business without marrying a Japanese citizen. You can get permanent residency, but Japan is as much of a bureaucratic nightmare as is the US. Most foreigners who go to Japan work in the English language business. Going through the commercial ESL schools such as AEON is a good way to get a visa into Japan, but the working conditions are not so great. The best way to get a ticket into Japan is to go through the JET Program, however you must hold a bachelor’s degree to apply for the program. The government’s JET Program has the best working conditions (public schools from elementary through highschool) and I believe still pays 3,600,000 yen / year (approx. $40,000). If you go to Japan, don’t go if you have no intention of integrating into the culture there. Learn the language. Leave your ‘American-self’ behind. You will have a much better time interacting with the native Japanese and learn a whole different way of life and thinking there. Unless you can make a deal with a native Japanese on starting your own English school, it will be difficult if not impossible to stake out on your own.

My reason for not moving back to Japan is because my license is not recognized there.

I will more than likely stay within the US after graduation, but I am keeping my eyes open for any job postings where I can provide my future family with a higher standard of living. Places like Singapore and Dubai are particularly high on my list. I have no problem with learning another language, as I have already done so before.

For those of you who are encouraging young professionals such as myself to leave because of our discontent, I can only say that if you care about America, then you’ll consider leaving, too.

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Sunday:

Here’s the truth…

There is NO safe country on this planet…

The bible says in the last days, PERILOUS(another word for DANGEROUS) times will come.

Jesus warns that whoever seeks to SAVE their life will LOSE it and whoever seeks to LOSE their life will FIND it.

If you are SERIOUS about preparing for the END, and want SUPERNATURAL wisdom, visit the site below.
http://endtimepilgrim.org/etprep.htm

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tommcd:

The easiest places for Americans to relocate to would be Canada, Australia, and New Zealand because the language is English and the culture is similar.
I would avoid the UK because they seem to be in just as big a mess as the USA currently is.

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Barbara:

A Single Grandmother’s Choice

The choice of which country might be best for me personally, is no choice at all. I have loved ones here, grand children whom I intend to be there for, through whatever comes our way. And I believe what’s coming will be horrific.

But think about life in another country. America is seen as the bully on the block by most countries. Now take your imaginings to a time that you have relocated to a foreign land and the Bankers have worked their evil across the globe. Do you see yourself safe in a foreign country as an American when the economy has crashed on a global scale? I think not.

And what will your life hold when your loved ones are thousands of miles away on American soil, and you are unable to help, unable to console and protect them?

My decision was to make a drastic lifestyle change, to get as far out of debt as possible, to move from a town to a homestead where there is land to grow vegetables and is far enough off-grid to protect those I love from looters and worse. For when the economy can no longer support fiat currency with nothing to back it but blind trust, when government can no longer offer food stamps and rent subsidies, those that the government has taught to depend upon handouts, whom have been made to believe are “entitled” WILL rebel. This decision was not an easy one! It has meant sacrifice for the past 8 years, and continues to be a sacrifice. But it is worth it. I believe the plans to ship our jobs overseas through trade agreements was not an economic “mistake” on the part of our leaders, nor was the economic collapse. Their plans are on a global scale, and it will be up to us to stand our ground and do whatever we can to try to salvage what’s left of America.

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  • godsofold

    Micheal,

    I believe that the good Lord and our Founding Fathers blessed us with a wonderful country. As such, I believe we owe it to both to stay and fight to get our nation back. I’m an 11 year Marine Corps Vet, I served in the first Gulf War and in many different operations. I’ll be damned if I’m going to run when it seems what our country needs most is for us to stand up for it. I don’t believe now is the time. Soon, but not now. Things need to get MUCH worse for a great portion of the people to wake. There has to be some finite trigger that sparks that light bulb moment for the Average Joe to finally make a conscience effort at understanding the dire situation that we’re all facing. So, I won’t be leaving. I’ll stand my ground like many others around me will. Though we very way may lose, I couldn’t bear to stand in front of the Lord and say I did nothing. That would be the epic failure.

    Semper Fi

    • Americans For Stopping Treason

      Oh-Rah Marine!

      JD here, US Marines – Combat Decorated – Persian Gulf.

      I know just what you mean brother!

      I’ve been thinking about starting an organization aimed specifically at addressing the real problem, which is:

      The American Government has ALREADY been overthrown!

      The US Federal Gov’t is NOT an American Gov’t, it is an “**************************”!

      It is our duty to *********** ALL **************, both foreign and DOMESTIC.

      If you wish to write to me, I have set up a scrub email account just for this purpose:

      *************************

      Below, I will post two essays I have written on this subject (although I have written others, these are the more pertinent ones.)

      Hope to hear from you,.. I think there is much we need to discuss.

      JD – US Marines – Defenders Of The US Constitution.

      • Americans For Stopping Treason

        Hi Marine,

        I just saw my postings after “approval”.

        Holy crow, talk aobut censorship!

        I did NOT put ANY of the asteriks!

        They even took out my email contact for you, or anyone else looking to actually discuss the TREASON that has occured in this “enemy forc of occupation” called the fed gov’t.

        If you want to write to me, I will try writing my email again where you can write to usmarines, with an 888 on it, at gmail dot com

        Hope to heasr from you brother!

    • David

      Thank you sir for your service. I agree. I am a Southron.

      Don McAlvany writes:

      “Examine the concept of civil disobedience [from the Bible and history.] At what point should the people of Egypt have said ‘no’ to killing the male babies in Moses’ day? At what point should the people of colonial America have said ‘no’ to King George? At what point should the people of Germany have said ‘no’ to Hitler? At what point do we say ‘no’ to despots in our day – when they take over money, our property, our guns, our children, our freedom? Decide what is your action point – when do you move to civil disobedience? [For many throughout history – it was when evil leaders handed down edicts that were directly contrary to God’s Word or commands.] Don’t set your action point too early or too quickly – nor too late or never. Think through and calculate a strategy – then act on it.”

      And talking of the South:

      The late Gustav Hasford, in “The Phantom Blooper” wrote, “The South is a big Indian reservation populated by ex-Confederates who are bred like cattle to die in Yankee wars. In Alabama there is no circus to run off to, so we join the Marines. The South was the American Empire’s first subjugated nation. We are a defeated people. Our conquerors have cured us of our quaint customs, quilting parties, barn raisings and hog killings, and have bombed us with revisionist history books and Sears catalogs and have made us over into a homogenized replica of the North.”

      http://chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/Vietnam/blooperall.html

      http://www.gustavhasford.com/PB.htm

      Semper Fi and Deo Vindice

    • Americans For Stopping Treason

      Short Essay #3: America Has ALREADY Been Overthrown!

      AMERICANS STILL DON’T SEEM TO GET IT:

      AMERICA HAS ALREADY BEEN OVERTHROWN,….IT IS TIME TO RESIST THE OCCUPATION!

      This country has been invaded and taken over by the international bankers, who then corrupted every aspect of our government.

      The US Federal Government is NOT an American gov’t. It is an “ENEMY FORCE IN OCCUPATION” that has camouflaged its overthrow of the US Gov’t.

      From the point of view of a Constitutional America,….none of the current events make sense.

      From the point of view of an “Enemy Force In Occupation”,……EVERYTHING makes sense.

      Their design is simple:

      1 – SUBJUGATE: TSA, DHS, FDA, FBI, Cops, Courts, Cameras Everywhere, etc.

      2 – EXTRACT WEALTH: IRS, The Federal Reserve, Sheriffs (they willingly kick people out of their homes), Congressional Bail-Outs (Being Un-Constitutional hasn’t stopped them)

      3 – EXTERMINATE: False-Flag Ops – 9/11, WTC Bombing, Oklahoma City Bombing, Anthrax, Forced Vaccinations, The Coming False-Flags Ops of Nuclear-Bio Agents.

      This has been the British/International Banksters/Israeli mode of subversive takeover through out their respective existences,… especially for the British, thru outright coercion and thru the Banking systems (look at what they did to China, India, Indonesia, and EVERY other country they had been in).

      They (the Wealthy Elite that constitute the Shadow Gov’t,…CIA, FBI, International Banksters, Rogue Elements of the American, British and Israeli Gov‘t) are about to take all the previous experiences they have learned to a whole NEW level.

      As such, the USA is not “America The Free”, it is actually the largest POW Camp in the world and we are all prisoners and potential disrupters, hence the Dep’t Of Homeland Security (which is actually Homeland Gestapo) has labeled Americans who still think andact like this is the USA and “resist” the occupation as…….. “terrorists”.

      Since we ARE technically POW’s, then the Law Of War and the Geneva Convention should apply, and the principles for ALL POW’S to observe is:

      – It is the Duty of all POW’s to RESIST our captors by every means possible.

      – To disrupt their designs and actions by any and all means.

      – To REFUSE to cooperate in any way.

      – To Refuse any/all special treatment.

      – To provide no information expect name, rank, serial number (SS #)

      – To create as much difficulty as possible to cause the greatest use of personnel and assets so as to reduce their capacity to wage warfare elsewhere on us.

    • Americans For Stopping Treason

      SHORT ESSAY #7: SOLUTION TO THE SEIZURE OF AMERICA, AND THE GLOBE BY THE BANKSTERS

      The USA is now the largest POW Camp in human history.

      As for us Americans being held prisoner,…it is worse than that.

      When a person is held as a prisoner, the jailer has some responsibility to our welfare.

      In the case of this Enemy Force In Occupation, called the US Federal Gov’t,… it is their design to exterminate us!

      Not all of us, not all at once, as they don’t want the prisoners rioting and fighting back,.. God forbid the majority of dumbass Americans should wake up in time for their own execution,… no, that would never do.

      – They will use people to herd people.

      – They will use people to control people.

      – They will use people to suppress, beat, torture, and intimidate people.

      – They need people to fill the prisons (FEMA Camps).

      – They need to people to build the control grids, and other infrastructure of the Police-Terror-State.

      – They need the mechanics, machinists, doctors, lawyers, laborers, farmers, and such.

      THEN,… after they have the chess board set up to their liking,… its time to reduce numbers!

      It will come in the form of a pathogen (Bio Weapon), most probably an influenza strain that has been modified/engineered to be particularly lethal to anyone that did not receive the antigen.

      This leaves no “smok’n gun”,… just piles of rotting corpses to deal with.

      Of course, if people start to wake up, or start fighting back, these psychos might start WW3 just to “teach” us who is in control, like they are threatening to do now!

      There is only one workable solution:

      Declare the IMF, World Bank, BIS (Bank of International Settlements), Federal Reserve Of The US, and ALL Central Banks Of Europe, and ESPECIALLY,.. the ROTHCHILDS as the GLOBAL TERRORIST ORGANIZATION that they are!

      Have them tried, convicted and ******* for Treason, War Crimes, and for Crimes Against Humanity!

      Seize ALL the assets of the these “Banks” and return them to their respective countries.

      Since the Rothschild’s hold nearly 1/2 of ALL the gold in the world, it will be seized and used to create a true Gold Backed Currency for all nations.

      Since the Rothschild’s are the most pernicious, thieving, lying, villainous bag of filth in human history, and have caused more deaths and wars than ALL other nations, groups and individuals combined, they will be the first to **********************,… ALL of the ROTHCHILDS!

      Issue a global decree that FORBIDS ANY COUNTRY from having a PRIVATE CENTRAL BANK under the pain of a War Crimes Tribunal and for committing Crimes Against Humanity,…again.

      Get RID of Private Central Banks, and the treacherous Rothschild’s,,… and you get rid of 90% of not just the USA’s, but entire the worlds problems OVERNIGHT!

      JD – US Marines – Calling for ************* of the worlds biggest Terrorist Organization – THE CENTRAL BANKS and its CEO, the ROTHCHILDS!

      • JMorcan

        None of your suggestions will help Americans compete against the billions of $0.50/hr workers in emerging Asia. That’s what has destroyed our country. Soon, we’ll be a nation of peasant farmers with a brutal, socialist/military government. They’ll come door to door, just like Mao’s forces did in China, and those who voice dissent will be wiped out one by one.

      • Wide Awake

        Americans for Stopping Treason:

        It is very refreshing to see we have at least one US Marine who is truly educated. It is vital that you spread this information to other US Marines! And any other person in uniform!

        The rothschilds are doing satan’s work! And they must be stopped!

  • Darien

    Is this a joke? Throw in the towel and leave the USA?
    First of all, I am staying put, this is my home and I can’t imagine living anywhere else.
    Second, how many countries will accept masses of Americans with open arms, like we have?
    Instead, we must fight.
    We must jail all of the big businessmen and fake leaders who have commited treason and put into office those who have the citizens of the USA first, everything else last.
    We must demand repayment from the hundreds of countries we rebuilt, especially Japan and Germany who were the real winners of WW2.
    We must stop the imports form China, mexico, India and the hundreds of other countries whose workers pay ZERO US taxes.
    We must pull our military out of Europe and the shitholes in the Middle East and instead fortify the shores of fortess America.
    I could go on and on, but won’t. This is our home, lets defend it and the good people who live here.

    • Ali

      “******* in the Middle East”…………
      your country is running on the oil that comes from those ********** … you *************.

      Your way of life and the very fact that you are able to connect to the internet, warm up your fat arse and post such shitty comments is dependent on the middle-eastern oil …………. ask your president if you dont believe in what I say

  • DaShui

    So,I guess our ancestors were losers for leaving Europe to come to America?
    However I live overseas now, unless you marry one of the locals, moving overseas is a bad idea, especially to a non western european nation.

    • Bone Idle

      Even then you need to be careful depending on the non western nation.

  • Ben

    @ godsofold

    Thank you for your service.

    I saw this idea on another site last night. All I can say is, I think it is cowardly to leave the United States. If you are not a natural born citizen and you have family overseas, I can see leaving. But if you were born here, enjoyed all of the services this country has to offer and then “cut and run” when things get bad? You have no heart. You have no character. And you are a coward. Plain and simple. Sound harsh? Sound unfair? Well…life is hard sometimes, life is not fair. Did you expect life to be easy? Most people in this country take too much for granted and the minute their “comfort zones” are infringed upon they look for something else to bring them back to their little “area” of comfort. If you are in this country and living here then I would bet you are doing better than 5.5 billion people in this world. Hell, even a homeless person in this country has it better off than half of the world’s population. So you are here, you have enjoyed the fruits of this nation and when it is in trouble, you cut and run? Do you do that with your family and friends too? Because by my estimation…that is COWARDLY! I cannot say it enough! And I don’t give a good ******** about what you think about this post. If you are a person who leaves when the going gets tough, then don’t expect to come back. I would fight and die for this country. I would fight for my family and friends and their children would have a better life. I would even fight for someone who was thinking about leaving this country. That is how committed I am to it. Do NOT EVER forget that this is the greatest country the planet has ever seen. You, me and everyone on here are a part of it.

    Why do you want to throw that away?

  • Charlie

    I’m a proud American Freethinker and Atheist. I’ll stay and fight.

  • Matt

    I’ll go to any other country that has a Constitution equal to or better than ours? How many of those are there? Oh, none. Case closed. I ain’t goin nowhere. Good luck to those of you that do – you’ll need it.

  • Cinderella Man JD

    Michael, Theres no place like home as Dorothy says. Im stayin right here in Central Montana where men are men and sheep are scared. Thank you godsofold for your service. Both my mother and father are Marines. Even though you may die the Corps is forever so you will live forever!!! (from Full Metal Jacket). No this is not the time to run from our problems. We must make our stand here and now against the tyranny that is being thrust upon us. America is worth saving, once all the bums, useless eaters, and illegal aliens are gone all that will be left is the prepared and the holy. Believe me people the great culling is at hand and no where on earth is going to be safe. Im staying out here in the country raise my crops and livestock, build a wall and set up landmines to keep the zombie hordes from the cities out. They might get me in the end, but I will go down fighting. So dont move to another country. They have more nasty diseases and inscects and dangerous people and wildlife you can imagine. Hell I didnt like the American south with all the roaches and new snakes I saw when I went down there to visit my brother. I love it here in Montana. We have problems but not everyone could live here especially when its -70 windchill and blowing snow. Its a hard country but its worth it to be away from the insanity of the cities. Millions will be freezing and starving to death before this decade is out, mark my words. The fight for freedom is on! LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD!!!! Oh and tax Gary2 and Kevin HARD!!! ;)

  • Crystalcrew

    Thanks for your service and for holding down the fort godsofold.
    Relocation is a tough one as fewer countries welcome Americans. Westerized countries are becoming increasingly crippled by NWO regulations so that leaves less delevoped nations who aren’t targeted. Uruguay? Panama? Dominican Republic? Costa Rica? I guess we have to see where the power elite is hiding. Anybody know?

  • 01202013EndOfAnErrorOrEndOfAnEra

    Michael, thank you for everything you do and I look forward to your articles each day. Coincidentally, just prior to reading your latest post, I was researching New Zealand as a potential destination for myself and my family before the excrement crushes the fan. Then I read this:

    http://www.infowars.com/nz-food-bill-to-make-growing-food-a-government-privilege-rather-than-a-human-right/

    The sheeple need to wake up to the fact that what is happening in America is only a part of a much larger, carefully orchestrated effort by a global oligarchy to bring about a one-world governance. Period. There is no other place to hide nor should there be. America MUST be protected and preserved. Therefore, I will stay at home and stand side-by-side with patriots like godsofold and fight to return America to the virtues of its founding. No other society in the history of the world has enjoyed the freedoms and prosperity that this country has over its short 235 year existence or “experiment” as some like to call it. I just can’t imagine turning my back on that.

  • Gary2

    yes things will be better in 2012 when Obama easily wins reelection and we veer far left and hopefully become more like the Scandinavian countries. 2012 will be the year of taxing the rich hard(finally). He can’t run again so what the heck.

    I have these idiot relatives who go to Norway on vacation and just go on and on about how good everything there is-universal health care maternity leave and a ton of valuable gov services. They then come back here to WI and I say I want it to be that good here and they cry socialism.

    I encourage all conservatives to move to another country we will be better off with you and your selfish world view gone.

    • Josh

      Gary did you see this video? you should watch it. It addresses the fantasy of “tax the rich solve all the problems” which you seem to live in. I dare you to watch it and rebuke the info. The best part is the fact that taking 100% of all the $ from all the top fortune 500 companies would pay for our Federal budget for about 30 days. Though I am sure common sense found in this video cannot pass through your thick brainwashed skull. Maybe you could get someone smarter than you to watch it for you, since you like people richere than you to pay your bills.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY8LKII_MNA&feature=share

      • Gary2

        you need to watch the video that debunks the right wing propaganda video. I am sorry I don’t have the link. A financial transaction tax alone would fix a good chunk of the deficit.

        As I see it most of the people are waking up and seeing the failed conservative policies and are repulsed by republicans. We even have Paul Ryan worried as Rob Zerban Dem will be winning his seat.

        2012 the year of taxing the rich hard. Did you hear the wonderful speech Obama gave in Kansas?

        The right is so toast. Thank you God!

    • Snoopy-the-economist

      Gary2: I wish you had at least half a brain so that we could have an intelligent conversation. Obama is destroying this country via socialism. Why is it so hard to understand that “When there is no one left to take money from then socilism fails”? Just look at Greece, Italy Spain, etc..

      • Gary2

        Again look at the Scandinavian countries and turn off fox news.

    • stanislav mishin

      Norway, Gary, lives off of its oil/gas exports. Take away the oil/gas and its a 2nd world nation.

  • Cinderella Man JD

    Besides, we already live in Mexico Norte just go into any Lowe’s and read the labels on most products you buy at the store. Everything in English/Spanish. Even my cellphone has ads for Univision and I dont know what that is maybe some spanish language TV station or something? Go into certain Southern Califorina towns west of OC and it will feel like youre in Mexico City. Get a little taste of the Turd World. Nope America is where its at. Certain regions suck but otherwise we’re a good country. Although some friends of mine lived in Bogota and they said the women there were beautiful. Hmm.. maybe John Rambo is right when he says boycott American women. I would date a foreigner.

    • mondobeyondo

      The local Home Depot here is piping in Christmas songs in Spanish over their PA system. And there’s a guy outside who has a little “roach coach” push cart thing, where he sells tamales and enchiladas.

      Yup. Estamos la Ciudad de Mexico del Norte. Bienvenidos! You’ll find pinatas on aisle 3.

    • Jack Pat

      Cinderella Man JD: name calling? at your age?
      Gutter Economist: You have a good point about what country would welcome an American. We Americans made our country. People complain about war but not about the oil, or trade agreements (controlling the Panama for decades, etc) we receive from them. US Policy is a manifestation of the peoples wants and the America does want our stuff we want everybody else’s.

      Culture Shock: The biggest thing I see when I travel to other countries is that Americans, Germans, and a few other nationalities do not respect other peoples and other countries. They break in line. Insult the food, women, etc.

      Watch HGTV HouseHunters International. Everyone wants granite this and that, instead of using local materials and supporting the local economy (save for the one ex-pat gringo real-estate agent and his importing buddies). It reminds me when I met a Brit from Nottingham who had a Japanese bike, although the Raliegh Bicycle Factory was literally across the street from his house.

      Fast forward on a country where a few importers are bypassing local workers to obtain cheap and/or trendy foreign made goods. What happens? Local craftsman is put out of work, and the “trendsetting” American is stuck with poor-quality chic goods.

      Also 70 years ago people did one or two things, ate only a few things. Now instead of being a hunter with a quality made rifle or guitarist had a quality handmade guitar, or a wife with a black pot that will last 170 years, we have 100 hobbies and our money is stretched to the point we can only afford cheap things. Same with food, instead of raw pigs, chicken, eggs, flour, milk, veggies, and eggs, we are eating olive oil thats nit even olive oil, greek yogurt thats not even yogurt,
      etc.

      Living a simple life supporting quality manufacturers is no longer cool.

      I am looking to exit now! I left a while back and if I had a job overseas I would be out

      Your pain is self-chosen.

  • Pitchfork Ready

    It’s my deepest hope that Americans will rise and save liberty from the tyranny of the elite and the stupid who support them, even if it means breaking the country up.

  • http://EconomicCollapse Already Gone

    why run away like a dog with it’s tail between it’s
    legs? i agree with godsofold that we need to stand up for this country. if people are leaving because they like culture/way of life in a different country
    that is fine other people in other countries come here looking for the same. we as a society are responsible for what is happening we trusted the government to do the right thing and it backfired. okay,so we are going to learn a valuable lesson and yes it is going to hurt but to leave because they do not want to be here when shit hits the fan to me is running away from responsibility. i would rather
    stand beside somebody who is not afraid than to be next to somebody who will run at the first sign of trouble. How could a person develop confidence,trust
    and dependence with these type of people? Maybe the grass is greener on the other side of the hill. But running away will never solve anything so if they want to go let them go. Who needs them or wants them?

  • Greg

    I have 2 young children. And while pledge allegiance to the U.S. that comes below my God and my family. If the point comes I will take my kids and as much as I can carry and leave with no regrets.

    • Michael

      Greg:

      Did you happen to attend the University of Virginia as an undergraduate?

      Just asking. :)

      Michael

    • Ms. Wiseman

      When you are persecuted in one city (or country for that matter), pack up and head for another. I remember reading that in the Bible some time ago. It is NOT cowardly to leave. On the contrary, it is quite the opposite as our ancestors before us can attest to that. It takes men (and women) of valor to move to a country, sight unseen, and build an entirely new country from the ground up. You say you will stay and fight but while you are fighting you are feeding the beast with what it needs to survive and defeat YOU – namely you vote to give those who rule over you its power, you “allow” them to take even more of your hard earned money via taxes and fines, you allow them to trick you into believing that money is wealth (it’s not, it is debt), you participate willingly in THEIR economic system which is just one big pyramid scam, you send your children to be educated and socially engineered by those who rule over you. Get real. YOU are the government and you are complicit in your own slavery. The only way to defeat the beast is to starve it of the power and money it needs to survive and that involves shunning, not voting, not participating in their political and economic schemes, and fleeing. The USA is NOT a country – America is the country. Some will stay and fight, which is fine, but it is also totally fine to pack up and leave each person living in accordance with his or her own God ordained conscience and free will. The USA is a corporation dependent on a populace willing to work for slave wages or no wages at all. Think about it.

  • Maria

    Mars.

  • http://www.planorperish.com Gutter Economist

    NOT GOOD

    If you have a survival plan for living in the USA or offshore, don’t discuss it in public.

    Before leaving the USA like a group of cowards, we should force all of the democrats and republicans out of Washington.

    BAD

    After trashing the USA and subjecting the rest of the world to our military, why would any American be welcome in any other country?

    UGLY

    Avoid the Northern Hemisphere – one nuke would cause severe problems here due to prevailing winds.

    If you don’t leave the USA by year end, you may be too late. In fact, it is already too late to move most of your wealth offshore.

    If you do move offshore, don’t count on electronic banking such as social security transfers.

    Get a passport immediately while you still can.

  • horhey

    This is a really fun blog, there is so much to the final equation. The culture thing was it for me. When I was 16, my folks moved to the Philippines. I grew up in SoCal, 7/11s on every corner. Every thing one needed an arms length away. In Manila the smog gag was nasty. Jeepneys ran on …….seemed like kerosene. Black smoke everywhere and humid. We ended up on a small island, beautiful but primitive. Power out daily, cold showers, Tagalog was not a first language or second are any. 2 years to learn, and gone now. It was a real tough wake up call. Best long term experience ever, it at the time gave parents grief. If you have a family and want to move, make sure your kids know the whole picture. Not the one you want to paint. Funny to read this Michael, just talking about this subject tonight.
    People soon will chose…Canon fodder, run for the hills, or just bail. Whatever is coming, it’s soon to arrive.

  • horhey

    Autocorrect, ugg. It’s SoCal, not social.

  • Armel

    Maybe instead of leaving the continent, we should just reconsider the political boundaries with respect to values, freedoms or lack thereof. Igor Panarin has been predicting a breakup of the US for the last decade. Perhaps it’s time that those of us with similar values stick together via relocating—sort of a ‘safety in numbers’ move, if you will….conservative, Constitutionalists in one designated area and liberals in another area, each area being treated as separate, sovereign entities, entirely different countries, who cares as long as they are distinct. There are too many left versus right arguments going on in this country…if we can’t get along, let’s just bid adieu and part ways, at least for a while.

  • A Viking in Asia

    Relocating to another country is a huge decision, and for any number of good reasons (family, career, sense of obligation, etc.) may not be the right thing for many. Also, some people do not handle big changes and new settings well, and relocating to another country is probably not the best option for them either. But for those who do think it’s right for them AND are open to making big changes in their life, the ‘right’ country to relocate to will depend on your motivations.

    I myself am an expat in my mid-30’s living in Mongolia. My primary reasons for relocating were 1) excellent business opportunities, 2) existing family ties to the country, and 3) a desire to see and experience more of the world. It also helps that in general attitudes towards Americans are friendly there, and firearms ownership is allowed (not as unrestricted as most of the US but much better than most countries). But what’s good for me would not be right for many; for people who heavily favor things like warm climates and metropolitan lifestyles or who can’t tolerate a rougher standard of living, Mongolia would be a terrible choice. So the ‘right’ country depends hugely on the person and their desires, and the good thing is that there are many options out there, whether in Asia, South America, Central America, etc. It certainly HELPS to have lots of money, but is not necessary in many places. I myself am far from rich and have only modest savings, but managing expenses carefully and staying out of the consumerism debt lifestyle made all the difference in making relocation possible.

    Now as to avoiding the coming economic collapse, I don’t think relocating to any one country will let you ‘avoid’ it. Some may fare better than others but I’m betting all will be affected to some degree, even here in Mongolia where banking and high finance is not nearly as entrenched here as in many countries. Furthermore, I think it’s unwise to have the sole motivation for relocation being “to get away”. Except in the most extreme circumstances (like being a refugee) one needs to have good reasons beyond that to relocate, or else they’re likely acting out of fear and making a mistake. So I think it’s better to rephrase the question “Where is the best country for my life and needs, that will also allow me to prepare and better endure the coming economic collapse?”.
    Finally, I expect down the road at some point after the big crunch (or perhaps “slow grind”) comes, if I prove to be successful here I will be in a better position to help my family and communities back in the US. IMO if we continued to stay in the US, our opportunities for helping our families and others would be much, much smaller.

  • Frank

    I will also stand firm. I will die first before anyone is going to take my freedom away. God be with us and protect us.

  • aaa

    Remember, that US Armed Forces can lay waste to any part of the planet. So no place is safe.

    If rich and have own plane or boat, can move around. Otherwise, best to stay put and be ready to go after the entities that own and control the FED. Unfortunately, those entities are faceless, invincible, and literally own the US Armed forces.

    The other option, is to stay low and rough it out.

  • Kaye Art

    I am one who doesn’t believe in countries and borders. But I find it amusing that Americans who have invested so much in keeping people from troubled countries out of America are now looking at some of those countries to relocate, as if planet earth was set up solely for them. The reason they have such difficulty in other countries is because they are unaware that there are other people and cultures on earth who have just as much right to the freedom of this planet as them. As a relocation country I could recomend Zambia. It is a beautiful peaceful country in central Africa with a simple improving economy and very friendly people it has no oil so is unlikely to be bombed by Nato and America. But before you come it might be good to check out what a Zambian has to go through just to visit America let alone live there. I am not anti America in any way I am for all people but it is time for us to wake up!

  • bobcat

    My family settled in the piedmont foothills of NC in the early 1800s. That is where I was born. That is where I live and that is where I will die.

    That being said, this country ain’t what it used to be. You mentioned, “Americans are often shocked to learn that the rights that we enjoy in the United States do not apply in the rest of the world.” I’m shocked at the rights we no longer enjoy today that used to enjoy 30 years ago.

    There really isn’t anywhere to run anyway. The neoliberal globalist banker agenda is being carried out in all countries. Their fate will be similar to ours.

  • David

    JJ Luna writes: “I’m getting more inquiries these days from readers who are ready to leave the country. My favorite destinations are San Miguel de Allende (Mexico), Cuenca (Ecuador), Andorra la Vella (Andorra) and Las Palmas de Gran Canaria (Spain.)”

    http://blog.invisible-privacy.com/

    Some people like China and S. Korea, and they like to go and teach English.

    http://www.eslcafe.com/

    Others of retirement age like The Philippines.

  • David

    Disaster Preparedness / Principles of Self Sufficiency
    http://www.miatoday.com/articles/disasterpPrep.asp

    http://ferfal.blogspot.com/

    “BTW, my mother works 32 hours a month, my father works 44 hours a month, I work 60 hours a month and, in Chinese money, we make almost $2900 American a month.

    Forgot to mentions. If $2900 American in China doesn’t seem like a lot, let me put in buying power.

    I can have lunch and dinner (meal and a coke or juice) on less than $3 and still have leftovers since buying food from a restaurant is
    cheaper than cooking yourself (the same when I lived in Korea).”–Steven Katz’s son who is a teacher in China, and lives with his mother and father in China

    http://www.dallasobserver.com/content/printVersion/1653972/

    “I picture one day a political cartoon showing under educated Mexicans slipping over and under a fence to get into the USA to find jobs while college graduates fly OUT of the USA for the same reason.”–Steven Katz

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/36754456/Learning_How_to_Fight_Back_Against_Debt_Collectors

    http://www.escapeartist.com/

    http://www.expatworld.net/

  • Words of the wise

    Lol good luck getting citizenship in another country as they actually enforce their citizenship laws unlike the banana republic.
    Nice of you to act like a typical ignorant american who knows nothing about any other country and pretends they are all hellholes compared to your banana republic.
    For all your talk in the end you are no better at trying to run away but it’ll all be for nothing as this collapse will have an effect on most of the world and nobody will be truly safe.

  • David

    May I please post one more before bed?

    For those staying in the USA, please consider training with firearms. The CMP will allow one to obtain a cheap M1 Garand and Appleseed will provide the training required to purchase one.

    “Appleseed Pricing Information

    FREE – Active Military, Reserve, National Guard, and Peace Officers.

    $70 – For two full days of instruction*

    $45 – Single day*

    $10 – Women – A substantial discount over the normal $70 pre-reg fee!

    $5 – Youths under 21.”

    http://www.odcmp.com/sales.htm

    http://appleseedinfo.org/as_faq.html

    “Our Country won’t go on forever, if we stay as soft as we are now. There won’t be any America – because some foreign soldiery will invade us and take our women and breed a hardier race.”-Gen. Lewis B. “Chesty” Puller

    “The birth of a man is the birth of his sorrow. The longer he lives, the more stupid he becomes, because his anxiety to avoid unavoidable death becomes more and more acute. What bitterness! He lives for what is always out of reach! His thirst for survival in the future makes him incapable of living in the present.”–Chuang Tzu

  • tommcd

    The easiest places for Americans to relocate to would be Canada, Australia, and New Zealand because the language is English and the culture is similar.
    I would avoid the UK because they seem to be in just as big a mess as the USA currently is.

  • Krezariel

    This blog started with enthusiasm and a sense of direction. Instead, it really was a negative, disillusioning induced rant with no direction. All good things come to an end and begins anew elsewhere. Throughout human history those who had the ability to sense imminent doom migrated elsewhere to survive. This country is indeed on its last legs but not quite yet.

  • http://google conservanator

    I was just wondering why nobody has the guts to print the obvious. Michael, you spend a lot of time and ink bemoaning the violence and lack of civility in this country, yet you and others refrain from calling a spade a spade. I’m not referring to the “useful idiots” who call themselves the 99%. I’m talking specifically about the random violence. The provocateurs. Almost 100% of time, when I see headlines regarding violence at, say, McDonald’s, the movies, the mall or where ever, I say to myself, “I bet they’re black.” And when I go to the site of the story and see pictures, sure enough, almost 100% of the time, I’m right. There were two stories today. A band of 50 young women attacked two police officers, and someone got the snot beat out of him over a pair of sneakers. Care to guess the race of the perps? In both cases, you betcha. Please, before any of you liberal buffoons out there play the race card, I would have put my money on Herman Cain over any of the other Repubic establishment hacks who are in the race. I am also a fan of Rep. Allen West of Florida.
    Now, Obama, Holder, Maxine Waters and the rest of the liberal scum are a different story.
    Michael, will you have the balls to print this?

    • Gary2

      If as you say they are all black when you tune in the news stories then what you are saying is simply a fact. I do not look at what you are saying as racist but that you are simply stating what you are seeing.

      Bet you never thought I would defend you.

      There is a good book called something like “The new Jim Crow” Was a good book and delved more into the why of your observation.

  • Alex Linhares

    Brazil or Chile should be considered (I am Brazilian, and I love the US, and I am extremely concerned about the unfolding scenario).

    I have been through hyperinflation, serious crime sprees, govmnt default, bank confiscation of money in ALL accounts (google president Collor), you name it.

    Brazil today is stable, and even the crime situation is improving rapidly. Record low unemployment, skilled people actually make MORE here than in London, NYC, or Tokyo due to the deep shortage of skills. We’re a country of immigrants, from Japanese to Africa to all parts of Europe. We love people and foreigners in general. Three world events are on the horizon here: Rio+20 (2012), the soccer world cup (2014), and the Olympics (2016 in Rio).

    The weather is nice, there is plenty of rainfall (food), you can own guns (if you must, but in the large cities the educated people will frown upon you), you can say whatever you like about our pathetic corrupt politicians.

    We hardly import any oil. 90% of cars run on sugar cane ethanol. The biggest oil discovery of this decade has been here (though it’s hard to get and our politicians can f*ck things up to the point of having the deepwater horizon disaster seem like a disney movie). Electricity is generated by dams (also some nuclear).

    Unbelievably, we have gotten rid of hyperinflation, crime is getting to lower standards (Ipanema’s human development index is *higher* than the scandinavian countries). People are overall happy with life, and foreigners make friends here easily.

    Median age of women: 28 (according to wikipedia; the same for the US is 37, for germany is 44). So lots of fertile girls around, if you’re young, and skilled you’ll have the time of your life.

    We haven’t had a war in over 100 years. Nobody hates us (except perhaps a little bunch of people in Paraguai, or maybe Bolivia that see us as an empire, if you can believe that). The Brazilian passport is the most expensive on the black market, because anyone can say, plausibly, that they were born in Brazil (except Albinos, perhaps).

    There are small towns in the south where you’d think you’re in Europe.

    This is Pomerode, where everyone speaks fluent german:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=Pomerode&hl=en&safe=off&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=imbgTuOCB8bMtgf05fjSBQ&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CBQQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=702

    Was that your image of Brazil?

    On the negative side: It’s a welfare state full of paternalism. Politicians are corrupt (but getting caught more and more). My entire generation is inflation-hawk, so if we start importing those trillions of computer-keyboard-created-dollars-hyperinflation, we’ll have to decouple the BRL from the USD and the greenback slide (our politicians are FAR from realizing this at this point, though–which means it will me a little messy). Also a negative: you have to learn portuguese. You will also have to learn to get used to smaller cars.

    I also like Chile. It’s the unknown Switzerland of the Americas. What’s their debt-to-GDP? 6%. Yes, SIX percent debt-to-gdp. So when the dominoes start falling and people start looking for countries without debt, a tsunami of money will flow into Chile. The police there is outstanding (just try to bribe them). It’s not a welfare state and has relatively low taxes. Pretty girls. Overall, awesome country.

    I hope some of this helps. Since I assume people will mention Australia, NZ, etc; I just focus on Brazil & Chile. By no means do I think Brazil & Chile will turn out unscathed from the big one, but the zombie outbreaks will be tiny, if any. Food will be plentiful; cars will be running, and skilled jobs are in extremely high demand.

    This is my first comment on your blog. I’ve been following it for some months now, and It’s awesome. I particularly like the fact that you link to “credible” sources. Keep it up!

    Good luck to us all; I can only hope that this will not end in an unthinkable massive war.

    I am a Univ Prof here and teach decision-making (to lots of Americans and Europeans in M.Sc. Programs). A sad thing in my life is that people here are so uninformed about the rich-world crisis that when I mention it, they look at me as if I were insane. For example, nobody thinks gold will have any value. At any rate, if you’d like, reach me @linhares.

  • Erin

    It is naive to think that people will not relocate as jobs and public services go down the tubes. Given the ability to move, people will move just for a better school, a better job or a better standard of living. Detroit is an example.

    We are a nation of immigrants, moving out of the country is part of the cultural DNA. It should be noted that every individual that leaves costs a small fortune in lost revenues, it is the usually the best and brightest that jump ship.

  • marcopolo

    I wonder what happened to those jews who decided to stay the course in 1938-42 Germany. There are 6 million less to tell that story. If your gut tells you to jam, I say listen to your gut. That having been said, while there is no shame to staying or leaving, there will be penalties paid for making the wrong move. Either way, there are pluses and minuses. Regardless of where you go or decided to be, there will be a price to be paid. In the end, we need to face the fact that we are in matrix. You are scr@wed regardless of where you are. The only thing that modifies this calculus is if you happen to be (as some have said) independently wealthy.

  • http://None Hans

    Just remember that the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence because there is more manure there!
    If things collapse, you probably stand a better chance amongst your own people (better the devil you know….!!!)
    During a collapse, people in other nations not responsible for that collapse will first look out for their own. Do not expect too much sympathy.
    If you have children, persuade them to study and qualify in stable neutral countries. Do not place all your eggs in one basket. Also look at obtaining physical assets in safe countries. I believe a big collapse is due, but I am not sure whether Europe or the US will go first. By creating currency out of thin air and with the dollar being the reserve currency of the world, I do believe that the US can postpone the inevitable slightly longer than the Eurozone.

    • Gary2

      The grass may be greener but you still have to mow it!

  • Paul

    China is a good place,

    if you are a quiet person and don’t mind people closer to you than you are used to.

    Living in China is cheap, if you don’t mind eating rice and local produce and don’t insist on Western food and western food labels every day. An apartment in a secured compound for western people can be had for USD300 per month for two bedrooms. Add USD5 for a shuttle bus to the city center, or USD 0.50 for a subway trip to downtown.

    China’s economy is growing at a rate of 8% every year. And most of the money is not spent on consumption but on investment in infrastructure.

    Tax is about 30% for a western-level salary.

    If you are friendly to the police they are friendly to you. If you shout at them because you think you are of a superior race, you have a permanent place at the end of the queue.

    Foreign news are blocked in China, but who in America watches foreign news? There are about 200 TV channels, 20 of them with war themes, when the economy is going bad, this will increase to 150 channels with war themes, 20 with shopping, 20 with sports, and some drama stuff.
    CCTV9 is for Westerners to tell them how good and geat China is.

    Most Chinese in China speak Chinese. Not all of them speak Mandarin (Putonghua), but their local dialect. And most of them know white and black people only from TV. So people WILL STARE at you. Every day, wherever. They might have heard that black people have heavier equipment and will check out whether the rumours are true.
    A Chinese girlfriend wants to know your job and how much you earn. That’s before the first date.

    Compared with America, crime is not existing in China. The worst thing that can happen to you at night is that someone with an electric bicycle knocks you down because there isn’t any streetlight, he doesn’t use any light and you don’t hear him coming.

  • http://www.mortgageresistanceofamerica.com FrankyFreelance

    All Americans who are pondering jumping ship should be given a mandatory examination to test levels of intelligence, common sense and general obnoxiousness.

    All of those who score low on the first two and high on the last should have their passports confiscated and be forced to go down with the ship.

    PEACE

  • ross

    1.Some where where the locals share the same culture and language as yourself. Not being racist but in an emergency, if you cant connect and make friends with the locals, your going to be in trouble.

    2. Near the coast so if there`s ever food shortages you can go fish

    3. A good climate, not too hot or too cold if you cant get fuel to heat your home.

    4. Any of these could be Europe or USA

  • Mainuh1

    You can run but you can’t hide from the global collapse set to thin the herd. Before long the nukes will be flying as the resource grab kicks in to high gear.

  • Robert

    I live in Brazil now and have for a long time as I moved here after I married a Brazilian, but what I have seen here since 2008 when the recession (depression) hit the states, people who where older than fifty where being fired and replaced with people in there 20s as the owners didn´t have to pay as much. And these people who lost their house, job and there pension went south, and they are married to a foreigner many packed up and left for the home country of their espouse. Some already had a vacation home in the espouse´s home country or not, but at least that was a roof over ones head that the banks could not take away. If one is over fifty and does not speak a second language, it will be diffucult to speak in a second lanuage at this age and ones espouse will always be their translator.
    But nonetheless when I talked to some of these Americans they are happy that they moved too Brazil, because they lost everything in the states, their espouses are working even if they are not and when I asked if they feel if they have more freedom here than in the states, after thinking about it the response is here in Brazil there is more freedom, I believe here in Brazil ones does not talk about having freedom it is just here, but in the states, since one is a child it is almost pounded in ones head or shall I say brainwashed that one has freedom and democracy, which nowdays the two not exist, maybe a hundred years ago freedom and democracy existed in America, but not anymore.

  • Granite Prepper

    To all who say leave the country while you can…..that’s just weakness leaving the body!! I say good riddance to those who won’t stand and put skin in the game. Did our founding fathers run when it got hard?? Did they move to another country?? HELL NO!! The time is now to stand and be counted

  • http://goldenladyfun.blpogspot.com Pat

    This happens to be my area of interest. At my blog site we offer information about relocation and how to buy gold in small amounts: http://goldenladyfun.blogspot.com .

  • Marco Polo

    I’ll quote from the words of Jesus: “Whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.” This is found in 3 of the 4 gospels, so it must be a pretty important concept. (See Matthew 16:25, Mark 8:35, Luke 9:24) As it applies to this conversation, I would say it means that if you’re trying to find the safest place to live just to protect yourself from harm, good luck! The safest place to live is right in the center of God’s will. He promises to take care of His children. This does not mean you will not die, as there have been plenty of martyrs (as well as probably many more that have been spared from being a martyr), but I would rather die while doing God’s will than die while trying to find the safest place for me to live. We will all die sometime, so 100 years from now, the thing that is going to matter is whether you responded to God’s love for you and did what He asked you to do.

    Having said that, I travel almost constantly for work, and I’ve been in about 20 countries so far. I have never found another place that I would rather live–it’s going to be interesting if that changes.

    Two places that come to mind that are very easy to get around in are Hong Kong and Singapore. They have an incredible transportation system. You don’t need to own a car. But I don’t know how easy it is to move to one of these places.

    Is there any country you can move to without getting permission? Maybe Canada?

  • Arrandaman

    I left the USA in 2010. Two years after I realized that the government has the American public scattered and mentally inadequate to deal with what needs to be done. The divisions are so drawn in America that no one will unite to fight against the oncoming corporate slavery.

    Ive been living in Australia and it is bad over here just not as bad as the USA. One can actually make money here as an average worker.

    A rally call needs to be made to take down the lobbyists and career politicians that are owned by the financial institutions. Until we go backwards to find the constitution as it was written we will always be enslaved. A slave wage system is in place and our lives and freedoms are at stake. Treason is being passed down daily in congress by the president and they all need to be brought under control of the people.

  • joe

    My wife and I have lived outside of the USA for most of the last 20 years so this is a subject upon which I feel I have some expertise. This is the reality-there is no perfect place and no place that will offer you complete safety. Our last country of residence was Guatemala where we lived on a large estate with a 5 person staff. We recently moved to the mountains of North GA-where we have no staff (for economic reasons-the cost are too high here). So why? Latin and South American countries have more poor than North America. In the event of a world wide collapse, they will rise up and the wealthy will be targeted. Europe and Asia are too expensive. Thinking about an island paradise. Forget it. We lived on our boat for four years looking for that paradise. It doesn’t exist. Yes, there are places that are currently less expensive to live. However, you would not be reading this blog unless you believed the world is in an immediate threat of economic peril. We not like the current state of politics or culture in the USA but as much as we dislike it, the USA (or Canada) likely remains the best place to hunker down, as long as you select somewhere away from metro areas.

  • Ray Davis

    I see lots of interesting quotes about staying and fighting, how leaving is cowardice, etc.

    Folks, we lost America.

    The mainstream media is so corrupt that even my 9-year-old can tell we are being fed lies. The treasury has been looted. Our politicians are bought, threatened or blackmailed and they have delivered us to the dark side. Wall Street can now openly steal our individual property without consequences. The military and police are being prepped that “we” are the enemy.

    I don’t see a lot of the American Republic remaining …. do you?

  • r.bitting

    Can a man hide himself from the hand of the Almighty God? Run if you want, but you will not save yourself. It’s a far, far better choice to run to God, and not from him.

  • William

    Well, well, the Smirking Chimp Bush and the failed Obummer have left us with grim choices.
    Either run, or stay and become a slave. There are not enough willing to die to stay and fight, if it came to that. Welcome to the Gulag. And, be SURE to vote in Nov of 2012 and reelect the very same cretins in the US Congress……..you know, the ones like Kyl or Sessions or McConnell or Cantor or Hoyer or Pelosi. You get what you vote for.

  • Owen

    There is no hiding place down here. This will soon be apparent to all. We are in the end stages of a war that began before mankind set foot on this planet. Jesus is returning soon to rescue those who have placed their trust in Him for their eternal salvation. Endeavor to be part of this group. You were created for that decision and everything rides on what you decide. All else is folly.

  • DirtyCar

    I am not American and have lived all over the world. I would recommend anybody who wishes to leave the US to check out Santiago in Chile. Good economy, good healthcare, lots of Starbucks and it’ll feel like home. Its one of the few countries in the world where US culture is still a thing to aspire to. English is widely spoken.

  • This_Is_My_Turf

    First off, you have nowhere to run and hide since the siege engine of the earth IS the USA. USA hosts the United Nations, Babylon on the Hudson. USA hosts the Federal reserve cartel. USA hosts the CIA, the DOD.

    USA has been hijacked by a handful of Offshore operators, and engineered a system for which to employ traitors amongst us (like congress). Remember, The traitors in congress and the white house got hired via your “consent” the voter.

    It is your fault that it is the way it is. CONUS if flooded with offshore folks who came here RUNNING from the problems and corruption in the country they originated in. They did nothing to overturn the oligharcs there, and they will do nothing to change things HERE.

    I would suggest preparing yourselves HERE, and dealing with the oligarchy on this soil as it was done in 1775, as it was done in 1812, as it was attempted in 1860’s.

    This is my turf, I am not going anywhere THE ENEMY is going, or some of us are going to die in the attempt.

    State secession at legislative level, formation of organized and unorganized defense forces, and eliminating property tax on homes and land, and then the seceeded state outlawing any form of central banking is the most efficient order of operations.

    What allows the central bank to survive is property tax on your homes and farmland, and that most evil social security number that tags you like cattle.

    The “BIG EXPERIMENT” has proven itself to not work, it is time to return to confederated states and not empire (union).

  • This_Is_My_Turf

    First off, you have nowhere to run and hide since the siege engine of the earth IS the USA. USA hosts the United Nations, Babylon on the Hudson. USA hosts the Federal reserve cartel. USA hosts the CIA, the DOD.

    USA has been hijacked by a handful of Offshore operators, and engineered a system for which to employ traitors amongst us (like congress). Remember, The traitors in congress and the white house got hired via your “consent” the voter.

    It is your fault that it is the way it is. CONUS is flooded with offshore folks who came here RUNNING from the problems and corruption in the country they originated in. They did nothing to overturn the oligharcs there, and they will do nothing to change things HERE.

    I would suggest preparing yourselves HERE, and dealing with the oligarchy on this soil as it was done in 1775, as it was done in 1812, as it was attempted in 1860′s.

    This is my turf, I am not going anywhere THE ENEMY is going, or some of us are going to die in the attempt.

    State secession at legislative level, formation of organized and unorganized defense forces, and eliminating property tax on homes and land, and then the seceeded state outlawing any form of central banking is the most efficient order of operations.

    What allows the central bank to survive is property tax on your homes and farmland, and that most evil social security number that tags you like cattle.

    The “BIG EXPERIMENT” has proven itself to not work, it is time to return to confederated states and not empire (union).

    • http://prepareprotectandpray.com Prepare Protect and Pray

      Excellent input! Our founding fathers and patriots have given their lives for our freedom.

      How sad is it that people would rather run away than fight the evil elitists who seek to steal all of our wealth and our freedom, to setup their New World Order.

      Thomas Jefferson warned “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them, will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.”

      Henry Ford said, “It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning“.

      So what’s the answer? Remove the elite bankers who own and manage the Federal Reserve, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Citibank, etc.. And when I say remove, I don’t mean by voting or by calling your corrupt congressman, I mean by revolution.

      President James Madison said “If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.”

      The elite are using our fake enemy (terrorists) to take away our freedoms. But the enemy is within our country and we need to remove them.

      We the people need to seize control of our supposed government leaders, who do not represent us anymore.

      Benjamin Franklin said “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

      Take your stand now for freedom, or you will lose it forever, no matter where you run away to…

    • Americans For Stopping Treason

      This_Is_My_Turf,

      Right you are!!

      *****************!,… Finally, Someone speaking like a TRUE AMERICAN!!! (ABOUT TIME!!!)

      I applaud your recognition of what has actually occurred, what is the right course of action, and showing the indominable defiance that will win!

      I am looking for people like you to start a Patriots Group with, if your interested, you can reach me at: usmarines with 888 after it, at g mail dot com.

      I have to write it that way, or they freak’n censor it!

      Hope to hear from you – JD – US Marines – Defenders Of The US Constitution and America.

    • Americans For Stopping Treason

      This_Is_MY-Turf,

      In addition to what you have stated, I offer one of short essays on the subject:

      SHORT ESSAY #7: SOLUTION TO THE SEIZURE OF AMERICA, AND THE GLOBE BY THE BANKSTERS

      The USA is now the largest POW Camp in human history.

      As for us Americans being held prisoner,…it is worse than that.

      When a person is held as a prisoner, the jailer has some responsibility to our welfare.

      In the case of this Enemy Force In Occupation, called the US Federal Gov’t,… it is their design to exterminate us!

      Not all of us, not all at once, as they don’t want the prisoners rioting and fighting back,.. God forbid the majority of dumbass Americans should wake up in time for their own execution,… no, that would never do.

      – They will use people to herd people.

      – They will use people to control people.

      – They will use people to suppress, beat, torture, and intimidate people.

      – They need people to fill the prisons (FEMA Camps).

      – They need to people to build the control grids, and other infrastructure of the Police-Terror-State.

      – They need the mechanics, machinists, doctors, lawyers, laborers, farmers, and such.

      THEN,… after they have the chess board set up to their liking,… its time to reduce numbers!

      It will come in the form of a pathogen (Bio Weapon), most probably an influenza strain that has been modified/engineered to be particularly lethal to anyone that did not receive the antigen.

      This leaves no “smok’n gun”,… just piles of rotting corpses to deal with.

      Of course, if people start to wake up, or start fighting back, these psychos might start WW3 just to “teach” us who is in control, like they are threatening to do now!

      There is only one workable solution:

      Declare the IMF, World Bank, BIS (Bank of International Settlements), Federal Reserve Of The US, and ALL Central Banks Of Europe, and ESPECIALLY,.. the ROTHCHILDS as the GLOBAL TERRORIST ORGANIZATION that they are!

  • karen

    World War 111 is on it’s way, Russia and China are preparing as we speak, you can research it on the web, Syria will be envolved, Chine already has thousands of troops on the India border Isreal and the US will be envolved and so will Europe. The war of all wars, FEMA is activating prison camps. The economy is crashing all around us and most don’t even have a clue, huge sun flares will hit earth and most have no clue check out NASA.

  • http://www.liquidenergyoasis.com DaVid

    Anyone interested in Patagonia, Argentina as a place of escape which was during WWII for Germans, Jews, and everyone else who saw the handwriting on the wall then, and those who feel the same now, feel free to email me. In your email include something about your background and what you are looking to accomplish. Remember, it is not only better but it’s a matter of life-and-death to be 2 years or 2 months too early than to be 2 minutes too late. MF Global is a clarion warning shot across the financial bow of the United States of ponzi schemes (i.e., banking holidays and lockdowns). They are locking down the US with NDAA (indefinite detentions without due process) and the soon-to-be activated FEMA Camps. David@no2foreclosures.info.

  • Prepared Pastor

    There is a state in the U.S. that already operates much like a third world country despite plentiful water, natural resources, and inexpensive (but fertile) land. It contains no nuclear reactors and most of it is outside the fallout zone potential targets. It has a high population of elderly who will not live long after TSHTF. Like third world countries, the cities are very much like other cities in the U.S. The countryside, however, is geologically separated by the oldest mountain range in the U.S. making much of the state inaccessible by automobile. The U.S. Census Bureau has designated WEST VIRGINIA as the ‘least typical’ (most backward) of any state in the U.S. It’s relative nearness to New England eliminated it from consideration for many people, but the truth is the mountains will stop the majority of unprepared folks from getting too far in and the community will take care of the rest.

  • Ragnar

    Good topic… one that I have considered myself in recent months in light of our current situation. I love my country but have become increasingly distrustful of our government. That being said, the principles upon which our nation was founded are second to none.

    In doing some research on the topic several months ago I came across the following on the James Wesley Rawles’s website survivalblog.com. It is an interesting concept in which he advocates relocating to the northern rocky mountain states. Specifically Eastern Oregon and Washington, Idaho, Montana and Wyoming. The local government is minimally intrusive, population density is extremely low and the values of the local populace are typically libertarian/conservative. Wyoming, for example has zero income tax and zero corporate tax. Here is the link to the American Redoubt of Rawles:

    http://www.survivalblog.com/redoubt.html

    To the individual who stated that selfish conservatives would bring the downfall of our society, I would respond with the following: In a free, capitalist society selfish individuals who produce for their own self-interest create benefit for all.

  • Thiagarajan TVS

    Michael,

    Relocation may be a temporary solace, but going
    by your articles which I read regularly and
    going by the reports in the dailies, every
    economy will be affected by what is ha0ppening
    in Europr or USA.

    As I pointed out in my correspondence with you
    more than six months ago, we are all overlooking
    the one who created us. Unless we rea;oze tjos
    and plan to take corresctive steps, we have no
    other option but to allow the world economy to
    collapse.

    If we dont believe in God ( I know you dont like
    this word), we have to believe in our leaders!

  • Kevin2

    Stay in the US and relocate within it. Move to where the energy, food, and self reliant culture is. Get a trade that is useful for those areas, electrician, welder, certified automobile mechanic to name a few. Move to a rural or small town and make friends with the neighbors. When in Rome do as the Romans do. You don’t believe in God? Well if 90% of your neighbors do tell them otherwise and attend Church with them.

    If your thinking of moving to another nation that nation may be one of the self reliant states. Remember the USSR broke up. It can very well happen here too. If it does be in the good part.

    • http://prepareprotectandpray.com Prepare Protect and Pray

      Hey Kevin, great suggestions.

      Also, move to where water is available, because that’s going to be a major issue in the future.

      If you rely on the public water system, it could be cut off or contaminated.

      Cities like Las Vegas, Los Angeles, etc., all rely on water to be pumped into the city from remote areas. If that gets cutoff, those cities will die.

      Look for places near rivers, lakes, snow runoff, springs, etc… And get survival-type water filters such as a Katadyn Pocket or Expedition Filter to remove bacteria.

      If you live near the ocean, they even have filters for ocean water to remove the salt.

  • JustanOguy

    Interesting Article Michael. For about 1/3 of my life I lived in foreign countries in Europe and Asia so much of what you bring up hits the nail right on the head.

    After a couple of years… you always want to move back to the U.S…. Not just my opinion but the majority of other U.S. Citizens that you’ll find all over the world.

    Not too long ago… I was recently offered a job in a foreign country but passed for now primarily due to family reasons. It was Certainly a very attractive possibility and from my visit, I came across many other U.S. Citizens moving there because it’s so darn cheap… a complete bargain for the quality of life that goes along with it. I honestly really liked it… the laid back lifestyle where family is more important then money certainly appeals to me.

    However, something about living in Las Vegas (Oh yeah… I’ve lived all across the U.S. also) is pretty exciting with all of the people that live and visit here from all over the country and world so it’s tough to leave.

    And… As a couple of others have mentioned… bailing out right now and letting the goons win is weak.

    Fact of the matter is that people have been too tolerant with the minority that push their distorted views or want everybody’s lives to be as miserable as theirs.

    Time to stand up and boot them out back to the rocks they crawled out from underneath…. and let them leave the country if they don’t like it.

    I’ve travelled around the world… there is no Utopia. Many countries would sink tomorrow if the U.S. handouts ended…

    For the past couple of years I’ve become a much more generous person to other people I don’t know… but my guns are loaded… and my Passport with some gold and silver is ready.

    I’d prefer to stay and spread my message that Washington D.C. and Wall Street are one in the same and that’s why the rest of the country is getting screwed…

    2012 will indeed be the deciding factor… Time to take the garbage to the curb.

  • http://www.johnvolz.com JohnnyinthePedros

    Vote for Ron Paul and stay and fight.

  • Jeff

    I was disgusted with the life in the US and left years ago. Since then I lived in 3 countries,
    here are my experiences:
    1. Canada – very peaceful, fairly prosperous country where neither I nor my family members have ever met a single mean Canadian. That might be different in the burgeoning immigrant populations.
    Negatives – economic interconnection with the US and dark and bitterly cold winters from October thru April.
    2. Malta – an English speaking island nation in the Mediterranean which is just a ferry ride from Italy. Enchanting scenery, especially in the North of the main island and on the smaller island of Gozo (3 bedroom there with seaview can be had from 100 euros a month). Violent crime is practically non-existent there. Excellent place to retire or live if you are wealthy already otherwise you need to find a source of income from outside the country. Flights to London can be on sale for less than the taxi ride to the airport.
    3.Israel – starting with the negatives; a difficult place to live, which could have been every bit as picturesque as Italy of Malta but is not due to lots of ugly old apartment buildings dating to fifties and sixties and ubiquitous industrial plants. People here work very long hours with 12 hour shifts common. Many staples here cost a multiple of what they do in the US, but some like fruits and veggies are cheaper. Health care is very good and advanced and coverage is literally just as inexpensive as the internet. The biggest plus here is that the country is one huge Silicon Valley where lots of people with new ideas get very wealthy very quickly. Foreign investors generously fund Israeli ingenuity. Now also there is the expected windfall from the huge recent gas and oil finds near the Israeli shores. The language here is obsolete by 2000 years, but English is widely spoken especially among the educated people.

    • Michael

      Jeff:

      Thank you for that outstanding comment! This is exactly that kind of comment I was hoping to get.

      Michael

    • Gary2

      yes very well said

  • Thomas Jefferson

    What if our founders had just said to hell with it and accepted British rule? We’d have no country today, as we know it. The complicity of the problems we face today our many. Yet, this is not a time to turn tail. The major issues we have today is blind nationalism, non nationism from illegals and people of non European descent.
    Yes I said it, those people care nothing for your flag or your values they take from the tree of liberty and never replenish nor shall they it’s fruits. As we have lost many lives for this country they have sacrificed none.
    There is also the leechers that only take from the work of others and as long as they are paid by a Government welfare or a foodstamp. They will not give a shh. If we survive for the next 5 years it will all be worth it those of us awake and truly love America and if we die fighting I will salute you as I hope you will me.

  • Robert Stone

    Any country is better. go where you have an open door, a desire and first research of potential for work, get used to the customs and thinking, and do whatever you have to do to make it. be prepared to have culture shock to wake you up out of your American thinking and brainwashing. You aren’t better than third world countries… they are.

  • N. Daniels

    We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one. (1 John 5:19)
    “If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.” (John 15:19)
    “Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world – the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life – is not of the Father but is of the world. And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever.” (1 John 2:15)
    2 Corinthians 6:14Don’t team up with those who are unbelievers. How can righteousness be a partner with wickedness? How can light live with darkness? 15What harmony can there be between Christ and the devil? How can a believer be a partner with an unbeliever? 16And what union can there be between God’s temple and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God said: “I will live in them and walk among them.
    I will be their God, and they will be my people. 17Therefore, come out from among unbelievers, and separate yourselves from them, says the LORD. Don’t touch their filthy things, and I will welcome you.

    The preceding are just an encouragement to all who read them to hurry up and get out, but to move much farther than just to another country, move to an entirely new kingdom. This entire world belongs to the evil one and I moved out some time ago. Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world, if my kingdom were of this world, then, would my disciples fight”. I refuse to fight for something that has already been prophesied to fail.
    2 Peter 3:10 “But the day of the Lord will come as unexpectedly as a thief. Then the heavens will pass away with a terrible noise, and the very elements themselves will disappear in fire, and the earth and everything on it will be found to deserve judgment.”
    Definitely time to leave. Thanks for your blog.

    • http://prepareprotectandpray.com Prepare Protect and Pray

      Amen!

      Ephesians 6:12 says “For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.”

      The living Word of God, Jesus, will overcome Lucifer and his evil followers, who kill, steal and destroy.

      But take heart, Jesus told us in Revelation 3:9 “Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.”

  • SteveO

    I already have a 2nd bank account in Belize and am transferring money down there slowly. I am looking to purchase some property there and maybe retire. I might be retiring there sooner than I planned.

    Belize has some of the best banking laws around, simple to open an account in person, not too expensive with a lawyer. English is the official language, warm weather, pristine beaches. Medium to low cost of living depending where you land. Could live on a boat too.

  • Steve in Iowa

    I love this country just as much as anyone else here, but I do have to say something that’s been itching the back of my brain for awhile now.
    I find it funny to see ex-military here saying how it would be cowardly to abandon ship. Where are you guys while the Constitution is being trampled on? Did you take your oath to the Constitution seriously? You call me a coward all you want, but it doesn’t change the fact that you FAILED to protect and defend the Constitution from any and all domestic enemies. You want to blame someone for the mess we’re in? Blame yourselves for blindly following orders (just like the Nazi’s), and letting our Liberty and God given rights be slowly eroded on your watch.

  • mondobeyondo

    I think it boils down to this…

    I’m willing to fight and possibly die for my country, against enemies foreign and domestic. But I will definitely NOT stand by and watch my country rob me of my wealth, my health, evict and starve me and my family, and incarcerate or possibly even kill me. It’s not that far fetched either. Just have the feds label me as a “terrorist”, or a threat to “national security”, and a friendly FBI agent will be knocking at the door. (Hopefully a good looking one, like Clarice in “Silence of the Lambs”). The “terrorist” guy who was killed by a drone in Yemen was a U.S. citizen, but that didn’t matter. Yes, he was an al-Queda operative, but he should have caught, extradited and subjected to “due process under law” as a United States citizen, born in the state of New Mexico.

    If we meet the enemy, and it turns out to be us (thanks, Pogo!) then it may be time to head for greener pastures. Americans generally have the wrong idea about ex-patriation. They think moving to Paris or Buenos Aires or Moscow or wherever, is like packing up the kids and van and driving from Chicago to Miami. It is not.

    There’s a different language to learn. A different culture. It’s expensive to move overseas. Hopefully those who are considering it know what they are getting themselves into.

    In any event… *sigh*… if you live in the Midwest, Norway might be nice. It’s cold and snowy, and from what I hear, the people there are friendly, just like North Dakota. And there are probably good jobs and better opportunities there. It definitely helps if you know Norwegian, and if you like the pop group ABBA. (Yes I know. ABBA’s Swedish. Close enough!)

    Me? I’m gonna stick it out and fight it out as long as I can. But damned if I’m going to wait until the exits start to close, while the screaming mobs wave their flags and shout “God Bless America!!”.

    Screech……. Clank.

  • http://infowars cvt htm

    I’m personally interested in Ecuador, A tribe more famously known for “head hunting” or “shrunken heads” well in all actuality they haven’t shrunk any heads for generations. This tribe threatened to reteach their young about the significance and importance of their gruesome practice, upon the workers and ceo’s of a gold mine,that they were indentured to. My position is, this group of natives have successfully driven these globalist bastards. If I want to preserve my freedom, I must become a part of a force that will actually defend themselves.

  • Steve

    I have visited, invested, and heavily researched Fiji as a possible destination. I have not moved yet, but I am saving up for it with physical Gold and Silver coins (planing to leave when silver breaks $100/oz). Fiji does have some advantages:
    English is the primary language, No Military value – too far from everything for Fighter planes to reach, No Developed Oil Reserves for the Military Industrial Complex to Steal, Most developed economy of the Pacific Island Nations, Gold/Silver,/Copper are mined there, Food independent – while they do import some food not raised there, they produce enough to feed the population, no one there is starving, the country was nothing but friendly towards Americans, the climate is warm, rainfalls are plentiful enough to raise any food crop, no poisonous land snakes/spiders/vines, few bugs, the country is very open to foreign investment, Average family yearly income is 7,00 US dollars – so you can live there cheap, at least 50 years behind America’s police state actions against their own citizens, relaxed atmosphere, the capitol Suva has just about everything you could want/need with a population near 100k, only 850k people on all of the 330 islands, the five largest islands have a land mass of New Jersey, Plenty of Room, 7% of the land mass is Free Hold Land – You buy it and it is yours – no renting from the government (No Property Taxes – ever), Located in the main shipping lanes between Australia and Los Angeles, California – so parts and materials not made there can be acquired, All the infrastructure you have come to expect in America, Rail, Paved Roads, Airports, Cement, Asphalt, Hardwares, Internet, Cell Phones, Schools, College, Medical School, Hospitals (clean), Chiropractor, Dentist, Optometrists, Mail, Banks, etc…, Protection from Tsunami’s due to the coral reefs surrounding the islands, Clean drinking water, Hot springs, No one is starving nor desperate, yes they have coups every decade – but less than 10 people died in the last 4 coups, No other country is eyeing it for take over, and the best reason of all – it is located in the southern hemisphere. When a prolonged war, Natural or man made Disaster, EMP, riot, protests, etc… occurs in the USA, those several hundred Nuclear Power Plants rely upon the grid for power to the cooling pumps. After the power goes out, the cooling pumps are powered by diesel generators with about 2 weeks of fuel. Any disruption in fuel – Fukushima 2.0. It takes 4-6 months to cool a reactor after shut down. Winds will carry the radiation everywhere north of the equator. China and Russia are arming themselves, US is dismantling the Nuclear war heads. Who is China building this massive war machine for ? Why does China need the Largest Army, Air Force, and Navy in the world ? Are they afraid of Tibet or Mongolia ? Think about it.

  • Lisa

    When the dust settles, and the banks own every country, it probably will not matter where one lives.

    I know a good number of people living abroad, families and singles, in different countries on different continents. Most have residential permits. There are always positives and negatives living abroad. There is no perfect place to live.

    One aspect almost no one addresses in expatriation is personal religious liberties.

  • http://infowars cvt htm

    Do you know how sailors knew their ship was sinking? All the rats jump ship. My previous comment is indicative of my opinion on the matter. Why are we considering other places to live, if we’re just going to die anyways? I would much rather die a free man, than with a harness on my back. Not many options available to those of low income, a gun, ammo and food sound cheaper than a plane ticket, radiation bombardment and “rape” from a strong armed stranger. So I will Die where I was born, Protecting those of whom I love.

  • Antonio Gonzalez

    Where americans not killed anybody.

  • http://hotmail MRXSANDIEGOCA

    I am too old and going to go down with the ship; however, my advice to the young is to look elsewhere.

  • http://urbansurvivalguidesecrets.com Urban Survival Guide

    It’s really interesting to read how people plan to survive the upcoming economic collapse and police state.

    If you’re going to stay in the U.S., do everything you can to get out of the major cities, which will become death zones when water and food supplies are shut down.

    If you must stay in the city, be prepared with lots of extra food, as big of a garden as possible, water and water filters such as a Katadyn, guns and ammo…

    Strengthen your bonds with like-minded people, so that you can support each other with different skill sets. Lone wolfs won’t fair well.

    But don’t tell others about your preparedness plans, otherwise they will know where to go to steal your stuff for their family.

  • El Pollo de Oro

    I’ve done a considerable amount of business travel in Europe, and I’ve known plenty of American expatriates who were quite happy living in France, Portugal, Italy, the Netherlands or Sweden and had no desire to come back. They went overseas with an open-minded attitude and assimilated, which in many cases, meant learning the local language and learning it well. Speaking English exclusively puts you at a major disadvantage in parts of Europe. If you aren’t proficient in Italian, you’re going to have a hard time adjusting to life in Roma or Milano perche ci sono molti italiani che non parlano molto inglese. Meglio imparare molto italiano se un americano abbia voglia di abitare in Italia. And France is very difficult if you aren’t proficient in frances. In the Netherlands, Norway and Sweden, on the other hand, most of the locals speak English fluently. I’ve known Brits who spoke only rudimentary Dutch and got along fine living in Amsterdam. Unfortunately for Americans, Europe’s immigration and employment laws make it very difficult to immigrate. And with the economic crisis in the PIIGS countries, anti-immigration sentiment is bound to increase in Europe.

    As for Latin America………ten mucho cuidado, jefe. Some Latin American countries are relatively safe and have very good infrastructures. Travel in parts of Chile, Uruguay or Argentina, and you’ll feel like you’re in Europe. But in other parts of Latinoamerica, violent crime is pandemic. If you have a lot of money, getting kidnapped is a very real possibility in El Salvador, Guatemala, Venezuela, Mexico or Honduras. Desperate people do desperate things, and there is a lot of hardcore desperation in much of Latinoamerica. The carjackers, kidnappers, muggers, gangbangers and violent home invaders in Caracas and Guatemala City mean business.

    Of course, there is also a lot of hardcore desperation in The Banana Republic of America, where things are ugly and bound to get a whole lot uglier. When the former USA decided to join the Third World and become a banana republic, it was a very bad decision.

  • 3atm3

    look out for yourself/Family first, there is no God to save you….& there is no Government to save you. Chile would be a fine choice!! Large Middle Class/ The Government fears its Citizens NOT the other way around/ Chile Welcomes ALL Foreigner’s/ sound Medical Field/ English speaking attorney’s available and Land ownership is encouraged.

  • Csaba

    Lot of good comments !! I can say that a lot of people STILL don’t know how good we got it here in the US ! Ask anyone immigrated here from eastern Europe or Africa !! We think this is bad ?? Think again !! Where I’m from they take close to 50% of your paycheck on taxes If you a honest small business owner you have to pay close to 70% tax on your profit ! Gas cost close to $9 a gallon , food prices are the same as here in the US just your avrage monthly salary is between $400 $600 a month !! I can go on & on but I’m sure you guys get the picture ! So before you start packing up look around & realize that this is still one of the best places to live in the world !!

  • James Lister

    Just give us the answer to your question you asked….

  • REED RICHARDS

    Question:

    RUN WHERE?

    There is no where to run. Western style and western run central banks control every nation on earth to this point execept for Iran and North Korea. And should a small oasis of tranquility be found, it will be that, a small oasis.

    Prior to the nuclear plant meltdown, Japan would have been the best place for expats to migrate to. Although a bit pricey, there is not the widespread repression that is the amerikan police state. Learn the language and you should be fine. Japanese will not bother foreigners for the most part. In fact, they will not take much notice of you at all unless you were to do something stupid to draw unnecessary attention to yourself. Other reasons pro and con to being an expat in Japan include:

    Pros:

    1. Very low crime rates in comparison to amerika
    2. Friendly pepole
    3. Culturally exciting to behold
    4. Abundant supply of vending machines for various coffees, snacks, and even beers

    Cons:

    1. A bit pricey
    2. Drive on left side of the road and roads are much smaller than in the asylum states
    3. Small scale for homes (smaller houses where only small furniture will fit and you do can not have huge western style furnishings)
    4. A bit harder to adjust and fit into Japaneses society unless you marry into a japanese family and have good friendly relations with inlaw host family

    Japan, as long as you live outside a certain radius of the nuclear plant meltdown and can avoid fallout, would be my ideal place to move to outside of the ASA.

  • http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com joseph

    I was able to obtain citizenship and a passport of an EU country based on ancestry. |I moved to Germany. Physically, the country is beautiful, from the northern coasts and shipping centers, to the mountains and the growing regions. Germany is a large land area with about 80 million people.

    Socially: English is broadly spoken here and that is helping the transition. Germans are a friendly people, well educated, hard working and civil. They also believe in following rules, obeying the laws and letting other people get on with the lives.

    Economically: The GDP has been growing at about 3.5 percent for the last few years and their unemployment rate is very low. They need more workers to keep the economy growing, especially those with skills. They have a well educated work force, good social benefits, health and medical benefits and other advantages to their workers. And for all those drains on profitability, only China, with half the world’s population, exports more products than Germany. Sounds like hard work and value added products are the key to Germany’s success on the balance of trade and economic fronts.

    Politically: They have stayed out of the illegal Libya slaughter and have tried to keep out of as many foreign entanglements as possible. The government is also resisting the bankers demands to issue EU bonds and print money. Germany has a clear memory of what hyper inflation can do to a country and what sort of evil can arise as a result. They want to avoid that and would rather go their own way then destroy all that they have worked for. This is the right of any sovereign, whether nation or person.

    Defensibility: Germany has a strong military and an incredibly strong armaments industry. They are the second largest exporter of products (consumer goods and industrial machines) in the world and in terms of arms exports are second only to the US. This means there will be no drone strikes inside of Germany. This means Germany will not be invaded over a weekend like Haiti, Panama, and countless other smaller countries were. German’s want to be left alone to live there lives and go about their. They want to leave other people alone to let them live their lives as they see fit. The German tendency to follow rules is supported by a vigorous democracy with multiple parties trying to address the needs of the population and create coalition governments that are responsive to demands.

    Recap: get an EU passport if you can and then get yourselves to Germany. Or get a work visa and find yourself a sponsor and a job. We need good people and talented workers. I am finding they prefer not to bother any other peoples and we ask not to be bothered by other peoples. We keep our lives and our businesses run as best we can, according to our own desires. Just what more can you ask for from life.

  • Jimbo84

    The vast majority of our ruling elite are very accessible and easy to locate. Think Congress people, mid-level bureaucrats, even AG’s and Senators

  • Cleo

    If you move, you can kiss your 2nd Amendment rights good bye, but we may kiss them good bye anyway if we elect another big govt D or R

  • John Rambo

    If you’re a young man, Thailand is the best place to be. Tons of beautiful sexy young asian women, you can get jobs easy at different companies if you have a degree, and the cost of living is cheap.

    Thailand is the best country, in my opinion.

  • Sepo

    That’s an easy answer, right where I am at, Alaska, or moreover Southeast Alaska. There is a bounty of natural food… it is easy to self-sustain, you can greenhouse garden nearly year-round. I only ask that “you all” stay down there in the lower 48 so it doesn’t get crowded up here!

  • K

    Hi all, im looking for an intentional community to join, survivalist preferred.would like to relocate to high ground/mtns in oregon, idaho, or kentucky/tennesse. Not interested in an religious soliitaton, thank you. Any info appreciated!
    Fukukari69@gmail.com

  • JMorcan

    “Many people believe that leaving the United States at this time would be abandoning our country …”

    Wrong, wrong, wrong – it’s the country (government) that has abandoned its citizens. I would feel no regrets on leaving, other than that my country has been irreparably destroyed and that the politicians and corporations who did so aren’t being punished.

  • Rancher

    I am a natural born Citizen here and my lovely wife “legally” immigrated here many years ago. We retired early and debt free at 50 or so. We like the rights we have here in the USA but they are slowly being eroded away. Our Nation is changing and the direction it is headed is not pretty for the future of once hard working or current hard working American Citizens.

    There are many wanting to minimize or eliminate our right to keep and bear arms, store supplies, openly post our opinions and so much more. I am not here to rant about all those subjects as much as the financial trend.

    I am not going to pick up a weapon and go to war against this Government in any way shape or form. I know better to kick against the “pricks”. I do try to educate myself and we do vote all the time. That is my weapon here. But the ammunition which is provided to vote on most often is just “Meet the new boss, much the same as the old boss” choice. I also refuse to get into politics as it ruins people and everyone I know going into that arena has changed and not for the good either.

    Politics is no longer an office for a servant to temporarily serve in. It is now a means to prosper and gain wealth for life. It is corrupted. That corruption also has it’s eyes on other people’s wealth as a way to spread it around to buy votes.

    It is more and more common place to hear discussions about the need to begin yet more wealth redistribution so the less hard working can more easily enjoy the things they did not earn but should be entitled to regardless. Not happening. I will refuse to stand by and let politicians and law makers devise more and more ways to drain away what we have set aside for ourselves. If fighting against that requires we take our savings and relocate away from the ability for this government to seize it or destroy it …we will. I owe no allegiance to corruption in government and thieves.

    Let me say this again and I am not sorry to either. I have willingly paid my taxes 100% on what we have yet for many that is still not enough as we still have a pile left so to speak. Being our remaining pile is larger than theirs and some others we must now be subjected more and more to many peoples beliefs and intentions that we spread our remaining wealth around yet more to level the playing field for others. Again, not happening.

    You see we expect to live for sometime yet and I will refuse to ever go back to work someday to support us because others have taken away our rights to prosper and keep it. What we are allowed to keep is challenged all the time and the amount only drops. More and more I am having to spend money to protect our wealth from seizure.

    Therefore I am deeply concerned that in or out of desperation the politicians and leaders of this nation will either confiscate said wealth and or print more “FIAT” money to the point they undermine all our net wealth and collapse the dollar into having such a low value we are all broke again. That is just another threat to us. I do not take kindly to being threatened.

    So we are beginning to look into picking up all our toys so to speak and go play in someone else’s back yard. I would be looking at the central American Continent at this point. No where specific but I am convinced one or more countries will begin to see the wisdom of setting up their laws and the such to ensure the wealthier Citizens from America and other nations which are attempting to take their personal properties… to relocate to there. It only makes sense to me. Other nations create the means to attract our industry and companies…why not those with the money as well? Being that the top 5% here are the cash cows for the rest and are paying for most everything around here things around here they will be seen as the solution to fund the future even more. The 50% and growing number of none federal tax payers will vote to see to that take place. Keep my freebies and entitlements coming regardless of the damage it is really doing.

    They will force those who still retain some wealth to move away to just protect that wealth. Now I realize that I spend a lot of time on the subject of money and financial wealth. Jesus mentioned it more than any other subject in the New Testament. Go figure? But the thought of having our hard work and sacrifice taken from us or destroy from within with FIAT money so as we must return to the work force and also can not leave any for our children is our current greatest reason to consider leaving this nation someday.

    It is not unpatriotic to protect the results of your life’s hard and smart work. It is called survival.

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  • boeing engineer

    I have lived abroad for more than 20 years, in 3 different countries. Asia, Middle East, and Europe. As bad as it’s getting in the USA, you’ll soon discover that without loads of money, it’s even worse abroad.

    The alternative is to find a place to live in the USA where the impact of government oppression, which is what really is at issue, is least. That’s the American Redoubt. The Rocky Mtn states are still operating most like the USA did 50, 100 years ago. You can learn more at http://64.92.111.122/

  • bobinsherwood

    If you intend to leave the US, you better have some seriously mad skills/talent. Most countries DEMAND exceptional performance from their employees especially foreigners or it’s “Hit the Road!” I seriously doubt 1 in 50 Americans have the “Right Stuff” to thrive in a foreign country much less survive.

  • http://www.youtube.com/quietlike eric

    Ive been considering this the past few months and plan on a move within 1-2 years. My default is Canada, because it’ll be the least culture shock, and familiar to me. However Id love to hear thoughts on whether or not Canada would be the same as the US? How much protection would I have being in Canada is the US dollar collapses and/or the US enters WW3?
    My real choice was Chile, and I plan on making a visit after re-learning Spanish. i really don’t know too much about this country, but it looks appealing. Thoughts on there?
    I do have others on a list, but I’m very serious about moving and am saving up for trips to visit. Any thoughts on this would be great, as I’m just starting the process now.
    Please email me if you can
    thanks

  • ron

    I know of a perfect country that I spent time in, but I don’t want any sissified yanks moving there and screwing it up, so I’m not telling.
    We have firearms, good land,water,and lots of wild nature.
    The thugs down the street are what we all have to worry about first.
    Learn traditional weapons-axes,archery,slings and slingshots. They are easy to make and quiet. Be in shape.
    Avoid stupid people.
    And of course, show some balls. We outnumber them.
    This is a global wide agenda-moving will only prolong the inevitable, and in the end, you’ll just be another foreigner in an unarmed nation.

  • nchris

    I’m with all those who want to stay here and fight for this country. As I’ve thought about this there is a problem, however. I’ve been a hunter & gun owner since childhood and would come to my country’s defense against those who we would all agree fall under the description of “domestic enemies”. But does that mean I’d be drawing a bead on my neighbor down the street who is a National Guard member, or local law enforcement officer? These are the very people to whom we express our gratitude and support. This is a big part of the problem for those who want to stay and fight. Fight against whom? The people who need to be brought down & eliminated will be able to hide behind the military & police forces. And those people in uniform, especially police forces, are being indoctrinated to see the “domestic enemy” not as their corrupt leadership, but the constitutional citizens trying to defend their rights.
    The only way our freedom survives this is if the military leadership sees the truth and turns on the political and financial thugs that are designing our destruction.

    Every totalitarian government eventually has to protect itself from its own citizens. Notice the change in defense spending? Used to be weapons systems like jet fighters, submarines, etc., now it’s weaponry and survellience to fight “terrorists”.
    There is a storm coming.

    I like the idea of giving the liberal/socialists their half of the country and the conservative/freedom lovers the other half. Pretty soon the liberal side will implode anyway.

    • Randy

      I really like your ideas.

  • http://www.WriteMeAtHBONO1Gmail.com Henry

    Your best solution is to stay yet become very wealthy. That’s what I’m working on 24/7 myself. I have already picked up my family and made a major geographic for the purpose of trying to escape to freedom, and I learned very much that the NWO is deeply entrenched in every place you could possibly go. The only escape is up, at least for a generation or two more anyways. Freedom today comes through financial wealth – embrace that reality, venture out, and make it work for you.

  • Sunday

    Here’s the truth…

    There is NO safe country on this planet…

    The bible says in the last days, PERILOUS(another word for DANGEROUS) times will come.

    Jesus warns that whoever seeks to SAVE their life will LOSE it and whoever seeks to LOSE their life will FIND it.

    If you are SERIOUS about preparing for the END, and want SUPERNATURAL wisdom, visit the site below.
    http://endtimepilgrim.org/etprep.htm

  • http://www.survivaldiva.com/index.html Barbara

    A Single Grandmother’s Choice

    The choice of which country might be best for me personally, is no choice at all. I have loved ones here, grand children whom I intend to be there for, through whatever comes our way. And I believe what’s coming will be horrific.

    But think about life in another country. America is seen as the bully on the block by most countries. Now take your imaginings to a time that you have relocated to a foreign land and the Bankers have worked their evil across the globe. Do you see yourself safe in a foreign country as an American when the economy has crashed on a global scale? I think not.

    And what will your life hold when your loved ones are thousands of miles away on American soil, and you are unable to help, unable to console and protect them?

    My decision was to make a drastic lifestyle change, to get as far out of debt as possible, to move from a town to a homestead where there is land to grow vegetables and is far enough off-grid to protect those I love from looters and worse. For when the economy can no longer support fiat currency with nothing to back it but blind trust, when government can no longer offer food stamps and rent subsidies, those that the government has taught to depend upon handouts, whom have been made to believe are “entitled” WILL rebel. This decision was not an easy one! It has meant sacrifice for the past 8 years, and continues to be a sacrifice. But it is worth it. I believe the plans to ship our jobs overseas through trade agreements was not an economic “mistake” on the part of our leaders, nor was the economic collapse. Their plans are on a global scale, and it will be up to us to stand our ground and do whatever we can to try to salvage what’s left of America.

  • Willie

    I’m not an American,but for me: A man must know when he lost the war:I see here many people talking how they gonna ****** the NWO basterds?70% of the American people are stupid,idiotic people(cfr:see Walmart pictures)braindead you may say-probably too much fluoride in the tap water??From the other 30%,there are much leftists(who voted for this gov.t )and boot-lickers.Now my question:what are the few decent American patriots do?? Against a bunch of trained ,well armed murderers??Absolutely NO mercy with you all.Pretty sure most of ya will all be killed,even your family,or put into a FEMA camp(read concentration camp)So,I would not blame anybody who’s trying to leave for a better and more secure life abroad:at least those have more brains than the big mouths with their large calibers.Greetings to all here

  • stillcode

    This topic is very relevant to me so here are my 2 cents from my perspective.

    I will soon graduate from graduate school with a degree in a medical field in which there is currently a large dearth of available workers. Job openings are available in virtually every state within the US. I will also soon be starting a family of my own. My first few years of working will be towards eliminating my student loan debt.

    Many people on here have been saying how those who desert America are nothing but traitors and good riddance to them if they leave. They need to realize that the America of today is very different to the America that our founding fathers envisioned. My loyalty is first to my family, secondly to my country. If I can achieve the American dream outside of the US, I will do so.

    Everyone who lives in the US is contributing to the problem by the forced taxation of our labor. Our taxes feed the beast, and it is in my moral judgment that voting with your feet and starving the beast is the better path to walk. I only see things turning around when enough people vote with their money and their feet to collapse the system, then rebuild from the ground up. Ex-patriots, whether they realize it or not, are contributing to this goal.

    Realistically, what can we citizens do to change America? The voting system is broken, protesting has had negligible gains (whoop-dee-doo, BoA no longer charges $5 for checking accounts), our politicians represent the corporate interests through lobbying rather than their constituents, etc, etc, etc. Are people in any significant numbers going to express their dissent through getting off of their bums? People vehemently talk about retaking America, but then they don’t act on their words. Talking without action is meaningless. The most effective and non-violent form of protest, in our situation, is to vote with our feet.

    I have had the experience of living in Japan, so I will say a few things about those thinking about moving to Japan.
    As a foreigner, it will be difficult to start your own business without marrying a Japanese citizen. You can get permanent residency, but Japan is as much of a bureaucratic nightmare as is the US. Most foreigners who go to Japan work in the English language business. Going through the commercial ESL schools such as AEON is a good way to get a visa into Japan, but the working conditions are not so great. The best way to get a ticket into Japan is to go through the JET Program, however you must hold a bachelor’s degree to apply for the program. The government’s JET Program has the best working conditions (public schools from elementary through highschool) and I believe still pays 3,600,000 yen / year (approx. $40,000). If you go to Japan, don’t go if you have no intention of integrating into the culture there. Learn the language. Leave your ‘American-self’ behind. You will have a much better time interacting with the native Japanese and learn a whole different way of life and thinking there. Unless you can make a deal with a native Japanese on starting your own English school, it will be difficult if not impossible to stake out on your own.

    My reason for not moving back to Japan is because my license is not recognized there.

    I will more than likely stay within the US after graduation, but I am keeping my eyes open for any job postings where I can provide my future family with a higher standard of living. Places like Singapore and Dubai are particularly high on my list. I have no problem with learning another language, as I have already done so before.

    For those of you who are encouraging young professionals such as myself to leave because of our discontent, I can only say that if you care about America, then you’ll consider leaving, too.

    • A Viking in Asia

      Well said stillcode!
      I don’t deny that there can be important reasons for staying, but for some people to think that staying is the ONLY way to fight the system??? That’s dangerously limited thinking, as is the notion that one can only help by being on the inside.
      How am I as someone living in another country fighting the system? Like stillcode said I am hitting them where it hurts most; starving the beast of tax revenue AND my productivity that it would forcibly take and benefit from if I were in the US. Plus I am also attempting to build a legacy for my family, one that will help support our extended family that remains in the US, and with a lot of luck maybe even do more for America as a whole. For those who can make a living outside of the system and starve the beast while still living in the US, bless you all and I have the utmost respect for that. But some of us have skills or talents that don’t work well in that limited environment. And others among us would also like to see more of the world as well… it doesn’t mean we love America any less, only that we want to see what’s beyond it too. I myself (circumstances permitting) plan to come back to America as often as I can, no matter where I technically “live”. Much of my family and friends are here, and aside from just wanting to spend time with them I am also betting that some will need our family’s help from time to time as things get harder.
      For those few saying “stay and fight” and are actually DOING something positive about it, my hat’s off to you…. just please realize that there’s more than one way to “fight”. But for the rest of the “stay and fight (and anything else is cowardice!)” crowd that are actually little more just armchair patriots that do nothing more to fight the system than internet boasting and big talk? Well talk is cheap, and I’m doing far more than you ever will. And even if my efforts turn out to fail, at least “I” will have actually tried. I suspect some here who criticize anyone moving to another country do so because deep down they’re too afraid to take a chance and leave their comfort zone in order to do the one thing (whatever it may be) that would greatly improve their own lives.

  • Mad Max

    Has it come to this. Well I’ve got news for you.

    WE ARE FREE!!!

    http://WeAreFree.osixs.org
    Wake—-Up! It’s time to throw off the chains…

  • Randy

    I lost my job 2.5 years ago. My wife and I restructured our lives somewhat. We don’t buy anything we don’t need. We live mainly off our small farm and some part-time work when available. Last year we grossed around $8000. We still live surprisingly well and are very happy. One thing, it is not a life for someone lazy, or in need of an extravagant lifestyle. At one period I put 200 miles on my car in six months. We do have one thing going for us, we don’t owe anything and that is a key issue. I really think that is what individuals and the government should strive for, NO DEBT.

  • Agelbert

    There are a lot of serious and well thought out posts here which logically and accurately anticipate that a segment of the population will fight tyranny to the death, another segment will run and another segment will turn themselves into an amoral pretzel just to be on the gubmint’s good side. Depending on how much the gubmint squeezes the populace, this last segment will splinter into those that join the fight against tyranny and those that remain paralyzed and coopted by gubmint propaganda.

    But let’s say that the squeeze is long and slow. What then? You have a home, a job and some free time now, as well as many conveniences that you will miss if you leave as well as missing family, community and cultural comfort. You must decide the point at which you are unwilling to compromise.

    I have a modest retirement income. I realized about ten years ago that the greedsters and war profiteers have taken over the USA. I bought a manufactured home in a rent controlled state (Vermont), paid it off in 5 years and now can live in my 980 square feet quite decently ($415 lot rent) without fear of property taxes ruining me (about $700 for $48,000 assessment)or the gubmint or other criminals bothering me too much because I live a frugal life so I am not much of a target. I have a 15 year old car and no debts. If there is a worldwide gasolene shortage I can ride a bicycle to the supermarket if need be with no fear of being mugged as is the case in some countries. Remember that if you move, say, to Central or South America, you will need to take measures to avoid being a target of the gubmint or other criminals by living quietly without any outward bling.

    I say, if you are going to have to do it there, why not just do it here? As others have said, the neoliberal assault is world wide. Why not just stay where you know the turf? Things may improve when most of your neighbors finally get it about the greedster/war profiteer takeover of the USA. You’ll have some ratfinks, sure, but at least you know the culture because it is your culture and you can more easily tell friend from foe as well as maintaining family, community and certain conveniences you are accustomed to.

    Do you think all the tricks our gubmint is up to aren’t being repeated all over the planet? Do you think that you won’t have to fight the neoliberal onslaught somewhere else but without the benefit of being a member of that culture? Think again.

    Finally, I disagree with those in the country that want to set up mines to keep the city folks from gaining refuge. They are Americans! What kind of future country do you want to build if you are going to start shooting desperate and needy families on sight? SHAME ON YOU! Love your neighbor as yourself is NOT OPTIONAL if you are a Christian. If you aren’t, you might as well move to Wall Street and embrace the neo-liberal greedster/war profiteering/people-are-commodities-to-be-used-and-discarded mind set.

    If the city folks on the run show up, set them to work earning their keep tilling the soil, canning, picking the ticks off the horses or digging for worms. More people around defending an area means more security from human predators with guns.

    Let’s stay here, treat each other with respect and work towards direct democracy. If we die trying, at least we died for a good cause.

    • Winston Smith

      Vermont has good pro-Sessiion group there w/Naylor, et al…

  • Stephanie

    Heartening to see how many people feel strongly about staying in the US and refusing to give up on her. I will NOT allow my country to be defined by the swamp called D.C. nor by those in the financial sector that have surely damned themselves to eternal Hell for how they have chosen to conduct themselves. I’m ready, willing and able to fight for her life (and mine) and fight for her I will!

  • Pastor Donald S. Eskine

    This Is What We Need To Do AS Americans!
    REPENT!
    14If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.(2Chronicles 7:14

    But You Must Know; The King Is Coming! (King Jesus)

    • Winston Smith

      well said…..may He come soon….

  • http://survivalmedicineblog.com survivingshtfmom

    Europe will be toast soon…if you think Germany is ‘safe’ think again, everyone will be trying to get in there. Asia? hmm…not with the Chinese or North Korans waiting for their chance to make a move. Japan? nope, too dependant upon imports…Canada? nope economic reasons, not to mention they don’t want us and are very strict with immigration. England? don’t think so, they are so far in the hole and depend on imports too. Ireland? in the same hole as us.
    Running isn’t the answer. Staying put and doing what you can to help yourself is. Get out of the cities as far away as you can. Get some skills besides driving and complaining. Make friends with others who have real skills as you learn yours. Get some faith. Store food and water. Keep your mouth shut about your plans. I might make suggestions but I don’t tell all…loose lips sink ships you know? especially with DHS wanting everyone to rat on each other.
    We are ALL in for a rough ride, one country goes and its like dominoes my friends. I just can’t figure out which one we are.
    My father was a decorated Vietnam Vet, my husband was a Marine in the first Gulf War…these colors don’t run.

    • Winston Smith

      no one is per se “running”, but leaving, just like many people did from Europe to USA……were they wrong? cowards?

      rest of advise, good deal! Store up, stock up, keep silent….

  • Mark

    Switzerland

    1. Highest salaries in the world
    2. Lowest taxes in Europe(Canton Zug)
    3. Unemployment rate = 3%

    My friend is 31 and makes $140K and pays 9% total income tax. Speaks english at work, so no foreign lanaguage requirement. Minimum wage is around $50K, no joke.

    Downside is that everything is expensive, but you can definately save money.

    • Winston Smith

      good deal, not too bad weather, either…

  • Agelbert

    Another thing I would like to add is that, absent a nuclear war, the main beef that people in the USA have is government interference in their businesses and personal affairs. From mandatory insurance on everything from cars to mortgages to “health” care, increasingly detailed car inspections designed to guarantee a good income for local mechanics and car dealers, increased taxes on food, gasolene and property along with increased government fees for services like title transfer, registration, hunting licences, park access to “public” lands, not to mention ridiculous zoning restrictions, etc. while people’s incomes are actually going down drives people nuts and makes them want to run away.

    It seems we can no longer reason with our local and state governments. They just want more and more for their corporate bosses.

    It seems every avenue we have to try to stretch our dollar and make ends meet has a government or corporate goon gatekeeping to make sure they get more swag from us.

    Well let me tell you that, in the example of the USSR, it was much worse. When things began to unravel, not becasue of war or violence, but because people just stopped cooperating, while roving gangs did become a problem that people had to organize against, all the oppressive government restrictions DISAPPEARED! Would you like to have sheep on your quarter acre? How about chikens in your yard? A homemade wind mill that runs a generator to run a current theough an iron bar in your house for heat without inverters or anything fancy?

    All this is the bright side of the gubmint biting off more than the fascist gestapo control freaks there can chew. Remember that IF the Fed is stupid enough to trash the dollar totally, the gestapo has no buying power to support their families with goods and services. That’s what happened (for other reasons) in Russia. Since the 700 trillion dollar derivatives MESS that the neoliberal agenda has created is forcing the Fed to devalue our currency to save the bacon of the banking crooks, it is inevitable that the security fascists on the front lines will get cheated and feel resentful. The end result will be more freedom from government intrusion here in the USA.

    It’s not all bad, folks.

    • Winston Smith

      “The end result will be more freedom from government intrusion here in the USA.

      It’s not all bad, folks.”

      um.ok….the Sun will come out tomorrow……better your bottom Fed reserve Note tomorrow….

  • FreeRussian

    Although it is a personal choice whether to live the country or stay and fight, I would still like to input my 5 cents. Many comments here do inspire to stay and fight, but if we examined it carefully we would come to a conclusion that brave comments come from the people who are aware and read this and alike blogs. The problem that America faces today is a symptom of a long and chronic disease that infected the country long time ago. The process of deconstruction is not triggered by the NWO puppeteers until they see that the society is completely corrupted of moral values and ready for destruction. This is the reality. The question here is this. Do you stay and die fighting, or do you leave and carry the torch of knowledge with you. The Black Friday crowd will not appreciate your death anyway; more likely associate you with a “home grown terrorist”. They get a regular brainwashing session every minute they watch the box, and they do watch it hours and hours every day. So, does it make sense to die and burry the knowledge 6’ under or try to spread it through a different location? As for myself, I left my home country when it was destroyed in 1991. Ever since I lived in Europe, Canada, States, back in Canada. But now I am thinking to leave. I try to educate people, ask them provocative questions, wake up their curiosity and thinking. But is all useless. They are either not interested or cannot get it. They are like under some kind of spell. I also know that these people are going to be used against me by the puppeteers to loot my savings and my food reserves. When the ship is sinking the rats are jumping off of the ship. The have a 50/50 chance. If they stay they have a 100% chance to die. Logic tells me that we leave the sinking ship. (50% is not that small of a chance, you surely would want to get a lottery with this chance, wouldn’t you?)

    • Nostradamus

      Your is one of the smartest comment.

      Indeed, America’s problem started with the PEOPLE first. Long ago, beginning around 1990 and soon after the First Gulf War and the death of the USSR, American society at-large began its long journey of triumphism, manifest-destiny (again), greatest on Earth country. The American people believe they are not only the wisest, most powerful, but they can violate natural laws and get away with anything.

      Thus began profound corruption of society and people’s mind. Brainwashed by endless mass media propaganda disguised as TV ads, talk shows and business reports, they proceeded to elect politicians who promised to maintain their utopian lifestyle, financed by free money, immune from economic laws and laws of nature, and recast this grotesque nonsense as the new American Dream.

      Thus society opened a historical opportunity to be exploited maximally. When 80% of the population are hooked on debt deeper than heroin and worship FICO scores, those who issue the debt can only do one thing – feed them ever more heroin. When GW Bush and his Congress were elected twice based on fear, war, rampant greed, market fundamentalism, maximum deregulation, these politicians were merely giving exactly what people wanted. Yes, it was during this decade that those in charge flushed the country down the toilet, but they themselves made out like, well, banksters. It was the people who voted to hand their country over to Big Money.

      Now that Big Money is in charge of everything, there is no possibility of removing them from their concrete lock from national power. It has become the great American dictatorship. One which is immune to elections because it is based outside of elections, outside of democracy. It is the perfect cancer.

      Study a thousand year of history of the world and you will find one stark fact: there is ONLY ONE way to remove a dictatorship. As the Arab Spring clearly demonstrate.

  • KingofClay

    I love the comments who refer to people as traitors or cut-and-runners who leave the United States for a better life, as – unless these comments are posted from Native Americans – they come from the descendants of people who have done just what they oppose.

    I live in Sweden now as I saw the hellish fate of the USA coming a long way off. I didn’t choose to live in Sweden because of any socialist philosophy (I’m more libertarian than practically anyone) but because I saw it as a place where people can still have a future. Yes, the tax rates are high here, but I earn more money than I ever earned in the United States. And even after paying taxes for a bunch of liberal social services that I will never use myself, I still have more disposable income at the end of the month than I ever had in the United States. And that is what really matters. It just goes to show – when you live in a country that doesn’t spend countless billions of dollars on murdering people and breaking things, there is enough money left to do practically anything. Norway is the prime example of that.

    I would recommend Americans move to Scandinavia with Norway being the most attractive place. All Scandinavians speak English and the truth is you can live here just fine by just speaking English without knowing a word of Swedish, Danish, or Norwegian. Start by teaching abroad at an English language school (they’re everywhere in Sweden & Norway), working on a farm in one of the many programs available, or being a cook/chef at a restaurant. Or try finding a spouse in Scandinavia.

    Remember: The point of every government immigration office is to prevent people from coming to the country, not to let them in. So roll with the punches and overcome all the usual B.S. the immigration office throws at you long enough, and eventually they will give up and grant you a residence permit.

  • Kiwi

    My suggestion would be New Zealand
    We got hardly any people
    freshest water in the world
    no dangerous species
    very little military
    south islands got Lots of bunnies to eat.
    and the whether is mild. never to cold, never to hot.

    • http://survivalmedicineblog.com survivingshtfmom

      Kiwi- ummm, excuse me, but your government just banned private food production for all intents and purposes and the restrictions on alternative medicine are horrendous…nope..not New Zealand

  • Klean

    I feel that certain northern European countries (Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Denmark) might be excellent choices. Belgium seems extremely appealing in some ways. Canada could be more appealing if it focused on itself more than its invaluable trade partner that essentially fuels the nation. There is so much U.S. influence in every country and I feel the U.S. often forgets that it is not THE WORLD, it is a country as well.

    • Winston Smith

      USA thinks this way do to AMerican Exceptionalism….many thought that the USA was the New Jerusalem…..see John Dee, Raleigh,etc.

      Hence, it now helps out the rise of the Antichrist to come out of national Israel…….recall, they pull our string and have nukes, nasty neighbors and land thiefs…

  • Matty

    What a joke-there is no escape! You are in the world no matter where you run. Better run to God folks. Then you can be in the world, but not of the world.

    • Winston Smith

      true enough, for sure, but some areas may hold out or at least, one can get purposely lost….better then food riots, watching your loved ones get raped and murdered…..Christian does not= pacifist nor downers..

  • Old Man

    All the talk about moving out misses a huge raw reality.

    What make you think other countries will approve your immigration application, and even if approved the locals will actually welcome you? That local business will actually hire a recently immigrated American packed solid with their famous arrogance, freaking constitutional rights, lawsuit at a drop of a pin, big fat dinner everyday, and talk of Uncle Sam cruise missiles coming your way the moment someone insulted you?

    America today is certainly not the same as even 2 decades ago. Up to 1990, America was still a country admired. But foreign & trade policies of US government and war-by-globalization conducted by big biz execs have damaged the American brand most severely. The coup de grace was Wall Street banksters who sold many billions of fraudulent securities to foreigners, who then lost everything. Have you ever asked any of a million foreign investors who lost their shirts when Lehman and other failed how they felt? I have.

    What make you think any foreign country will approve immigrations from so many Americans? Yes 99% of you who applied are very fine folks but sorry you are the victims of the devastation of US policies and reputation.

    But I do suggest you go through the immigration exercise for one or two countries. You will most likely fail because all countries (except the 4th world) immigration laws are just as or even tougher than that of USA. But your exercise will let you gain a first hand appreciation of the true meaning of ‘reap what you sowed’. Such, I am sorry to say, is how far America has fallen in world standing.

    • Winston Smith

      went to Europe this last fall, planned if cornered to tell them (those not in immigration, obv) I was from Canada..they are getting on board w/NWO thanks to Harper-types, but still not hated….

      yes, USA is only nation with wide open borders and free medical care (plenty clinic and hospitals do not check and one can add/detract a few names and disappear, it is their “culture” dontcha know)

  • NotAmerican

    Wherever you idiot Yanks go, stay the hell away from me.

    • Winston Smith

      which is..where again??? By yanks, you sound british, hence you may be UK or Australian….both great places for gun control and for cameras on every corner….

      where is it you are, then?

  • http://www.laconfluencia.com mark

    ARGENTINA. we moved here from SoCal about 12 years ago. total basket case of a country. ruled by knaves and nitwits. if we could find a better place to live, we’d leave tomorrow. but until that place appears, we stay: all rules and regulations here are ignored…people just simply do as they please, until a neighbor objects…every man for himself…exactly as god ordained.

    • Winston Smith

      actually, God ordained faithfileld communities in His Church…no chaos, which is of the Devil….that said, many nations, esp Lating ones, are more Live and let Live…..could get lost more there…..hence, maybe could survive…

  • http://TheEconomicCollapse Ted

    I”ve been all over Europe, Mexico, and the west coast of Canada, and the only place that I felt a culture shock was in Yugoslavia(back when it was called Yugoslavia). It was like going back in time a good fifty years. I have a number of friends who have traveled extensively in Asia, India, and south america, and they loved it(although they aren’t going back to Asia or India anytime soon). What I hear from people who go abroad for the first time is that they can’t believe how beautiful it is.

    A lot of people have this idea that it’s dangerous to travel or live down in Nicaragua, Guatemala, Panama, etc., and the people I know that live down there want it to stay that way. They don’t want a horde of expats stampeding down to what is increasingly not much of a secret anymore.

    If you have money, an income stream of some kind, and don’t have a record; you have a chance of getting down there. If not, forget about it. The standard of living is still pretty good in the US. As far as security, laws, and freedom go; not so great anymore.

    Here’s my short list: The Bahamas, Uruguay, Ecuador, Chile, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Panama.

    Europe is in the same boat as the US, China is following our lead, and Asia and Africa are a little iffy right now.

    South america has a lot of little counties with a high standard of living, that are easy to get lost in. Their economies are stronger, you might not make as much money if you’re working down there, but your money goes a lot farther. Pretty much everybody speaks English down there, and there’s already a lot of expats to welcome you to your new digs.

  • EZ

    The question still remains: WHERE to run?

    The simple answer is that there’s nowhere to run, nowhere to hide from the coming economic collapse. The Goldman-Sachs people invented a financial virus, which has infected the entire world. Even if you live in some out-of-the-way place like Fiji, when the financial system crashes, you won’t be able to buy much of anything not made locally.

    My wife is originally from Russia, and our daughters have dual citizenship. My wife is an American citizen. We had several discussions about this subject, and we’ve decided to stay and fight, since the only difference between E.Europe an the USA is that we have access to plenty of weapons.

    Those who think you can somehow avoid what’s coming, are wildly optimistic. If you run, you’ll always be running.

    We’ll stay and fight, for our homes, our families, and posterity.


    “Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say ‘what should be the reward of such sacrifices?’ Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship and plough, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”

    — Samuel Adams

    • Winston Smith

      Adams’, Unitarians and Freemasons….great quote….:(

      True, USA-for now-has more guns,etc….in the end, God will protect those loyal to HIm, which is not the USA (look up what nations have no abortion…and stricter laws on sodomites)

  • chowthen

    The real power in any country is the Central Bank. The governments are run by Central Bank so all the laws and restrictions or individual rights are by the Central Banks. So what’s the use of moving out of the US? When the SHTF comes to the US all other country in the world is affected and will probably be in even worst situation. All the ignoramus who thinks they’d be better of in an unfamiliar society can do what they want and move but don’t try to come back after the SHTF or you get hard up where you are.

    As I said, the final outcome of all this after the US gets the SHTF is one world government ran by one Central Bank. Remember what Amstel Rothschild said “Give me the control of the nations money and I care not who makes the laws”

  • emma

    No one will get away from teh economic collapse, but if I had a choice I would say Australia or Canada. the US is screwed.

    Dont think it will be europe. Check out this guys is saying about Europe. He is very good, and I have been following him for a while. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9UtfXRPyJo

  • A.S.

    I am going to Israel. Actually, I am already here. I believe in Bible prophecy that when the ultimate war comes, Israel will be saved by G-d! Even if you are not Jewish, so long as you are in Israel and take the side of Israel (don’t listen to all the “evil zionist” nonsense), you too will be saved. Look at the first Desert Storm war: Sadam shot so many missiles on Israel, and only one person died (due to mental shock)! So, if you too are G-d fearing, Bible reading folk, you know the answer. If not, may G-d have mercy on you because there will NO WHERE ON EARTH WILL BE SAFE!

    • LOL

      Wrong! The “Israelis” are NOT the Israelites or Hebrews of the Bible. They are squatters, occupiers and invaders.

  • Cyrus

    Hi,

    I raised my two sons in Greece, isle of Crete. Beautiful people, great place. I have lived and worked in North Africa, south-east Asia, southern Europe. There are numereous reasons to go but the polical climate is changing in almost every country. I won’t go back to North Africa on a dare. CIA is stirring up trouble day and night. I have heard great things of old soviet republics from guys who have married women from those areas and decided to stay there instead of moving to the states. I wrote an article expressing my thoughts on it here: http://dont-tread-on.me/?p=11092 . If you are young and want a challenge the old soviet republics may be the way to go. I know a lot of friends and distant cousins who moved to Keny and surrounding area as missionaries and say they will never come back. Their children feel the same way.

    Think about it long and hard. I have heard high marks for Chile and Mexico. (Mexico sounds a little to wild west for me.

    Good luck what ever you decide.

  • Orange Jean

    I am in love with this country and have no intentions of ever leaving!

    I’m not young enough (61) or strong enough (arthritis and a few other age-related things) to imagine I could fight here in any meaningful way if it came to that. But if it did and there was anything I could figure out to do, I would. I would literally rather die here than live elsewhere. My thanks, by the way, to those of you who have served in the military… especially the Marines (I work for you guys, at NMCPHC, part of the Medical Support Command).

    I believe the only place in the world a person has a snowball’s chance in hell of surviving hard times is where you are a citizen. Nope, it doesn’t always work, but I’d hedge my bet on that one. My grandparents (all of them) had a very hard time where they lived before (the Azores & Poland), and we were taught to love this country.

    I did not say I love the government necessarily (tho I do believe in the Constitution), but it’s the LAND I love! I also think it’s a sacred place (even before there was a United States). I’ve lived in multiple states (Massachusetts, Maine, California, Utah, North Carolina & currently in Virginia). Some places I liked better than others, and there was some back and forth, for example I’ve moved to CA 3 x). I’ve traveled around and back and forth across the US a lot… and I can’t get enough of it!

    Almost every time I’ve said to myself, well maybe next vacation I ought to go see some other country – by the time that next vacation comes around, I’ve already got yet some new place in the US I’m just dying to see what it’s like, or hankering to go back to see some place I’ve been.

    The places I’ve been are fascinating, and I would most likely “head for the hills” somewhere (I love mountains especially) given the choice. I’ve got family that are too scattered (FL, NH, TN & MI and I’m currently in VA)… and while I love them, I think a bit too scatterbrained to be much help in terms of survival.

    When I was younger, I used to think I wanted to live outside the US for a time, but I’ve long since changed my mind. Since 9/11? I have no intention of ever leaving this country again (I’ve been at least to Mexico and Canada a few times, plus a few places in the Caribbean)… not even to vacation.

    • Winston Smith

      um, yeah, line up then, march into the cattle car and good luck :( to ya…….The Idol America is calling you

      anyone ever see Clonus;parts movie? Heaven equated to America……

      sadly, said poster has not clue of the fact the many nations are safer, have longevity, better healthcare,etc..then the USA…soldiers, though, are taught not to think, but Obey…..

      Before that cattle car gets here, I will ahve to play an oldier/goodie for you, They Live, starring Rowdy Roddy….

  • Peter E

    Hey, come to Australia!

    We welcome everyone – even Prez Obama (our politicians even shook his hand unlike Russian politicians). We have a new base for marines in Darwin. So we are new target for China. However, they love us as we sell them tons of iron ore and stuff like that! Don’t let the fact that 6 nukes would wipe out 80% of the population – all of the major cities.

    But sadly don’t come here if you are over 45. Almost guaranteed no one will employ you as the companies are quickly becoming “Americanised” and dump experience for cheap contract employees. It even happens in the government. Corruption is strong and if you run a business and export, the policies favour the cheap and law is ignored. For example, anti-dumping laws are ignored as it offers cheap goods for consumers. The government wont help you (or your company) if a country is imposing huge import tariffs (eg 30-100%) and fees.

    We had a thriving chemical industry, but when we opened up “free” trade, exporters could dump goods here, pay no tariffs, but we had to pay huge tariffs , import duties, customs duties , etc. No help from our government – just like the US I guess so you would probably be used to it!

    Oh, and our politicians are just as feeble a lot as yours.

    On the good side we don’t have the intrusive body searches or revealing body scanners. If you are travelling over 12 hours on a flight to anywhere you’ll be too tired to be a problem. I think even the terrorists think that too far to go to way jihad or whatever.

    The biggest shock will be if you want coffee with cream or half and half. Its white coffee and the regular stuff is black. Cream is milk. While you may regularly sprinkle the ****** expletive without thinking about it, we use terms like “bloody” and “damn”, so if someone is really intentionally stupid they’ll be called a “bloody idiot” or similar. Noone will “bat any eyelid”. And if you don’t like it, we “wont give a damn”.

    • Macnasty

      Hey Peter,you fair dinkum mate yes Australia is great even the animals kick ass,wide open spaces and the greatest beer on the planet,what more good a bloke want other than to own a gun its possible but hard.ps I’ll have a cuppa white please !!!!!!

  • JBurdman7

    I dont know what your commentators are doing recommending bankrupt European countries or countries bordering bankrupt European countries. Do they think “the coming economic collapse” is for those with surpluses? Lets go where the standard of living is on the rise please!
    So we have Australia, New Zealand, and Canada as resource based economies which should fare well. Add Singapore to the category for those who do not wish to learn another language.
    There is Costa Rica for an inexpensive place to be with the relatively easy to learn Spanish. I suppose there are areas with significant numbers of English speakers but you will need to do your own research on that topic.
    And then there is Asia! Philippines, Thailand, Taiwan, S Korea, China – I would gladly read a discussion about any of the Asian options with a particular interest in Thailand.

    To posters “Ray Davis” and “mondobeyondo” – brilliant posts. Please search the net for my name and drop me a note. It shouldnt be hard to find me. You are just the guys who all need to KIT for when TSHTF we can navigate out of here and start over. A lot of research is needed. No sense us all doing it independently.

  • SMASH THE CONTROL MACHINE

    LET YOUR KINGDOM COME!!!All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth. 14 People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15 If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.

  • Luis

    I think moving comes down to choosing the lesser of evils. I’m very concerned with the coming economic collapse, but I’m much more concerned with the potential of another World War. We have stirred up a lot of hatred around the world over the last few decades. We currently owe China around 3 trillion dollars. How do you think they are going to react if the U.S. should default on its debt? The U.S. is starting to look like ground zero to me.

    ‘God would never allow a massive nuclear war to take place on this planet, let alone in the United States’, you might think. Remember, He already allowed two nuclear bombs to go off during WWII. Don’t be so sure it’s impossible.

    BTW, getting into Canada, New Zealand, and Australia is not as easy as you think. I tried all three a few years ago and was not able (though I have no criminal record, am educated and with good work experience, I could not get enough ‘points’ in the assessment survey- mostly because at 48 I was deemed too old). Ironically, all three countries could care less what you’re net worth is. If you’re loaded, they seem to expect you to start a business that creates jobs- then they are interested in you. Otherwise, you had better be young and educated. I was shocked when I found this out. And here in the U.S., we let anyone over our border. It’s unbelievable…

    Anyways, be careful with the Latin American countries. With the exception of Uruguay (that has a large middle class), crime can be a problem. Also, Chile does sounds nice, but don’t forget about those earthquakes:

    http://www.iris.edu/seismon/

    • Old Man

      Countries that use ‘points’ to evaluate residency applications are consider ‘easy’ countries. Because at least you know the rules and can work to satisfy them. The ‘points’ countries – Canada, Australia & NZ – are built from immigration. Currently, NZ admits the least (due to small size and more uniform ethnicity), Australia the second, while Canada admits the most. Canada admit almost half a million per year the past decade, but it has much tighten the rules to slow things down. Yet, the application list into Canada is so large (mostly from eastern Europe, Russia, India and China) that the wait time for processing is a couple of years. Australia & Canada has an ‘investment’ class – bring in multi-million to start a business, hire a bunch people and you will get the ‘card’. But if you cheat you will be kicked out summarily.

      US does not use ‘points’ for permanent residency – applicants are evaluated on how many close relatives who are already citizens. It’s based on family reunion. There is also another class designed for highly educated (PhD at least) or well-achieved people. US appears to let ‘anyone’ in but these are not permanent residency. All are temporary residency approved under various work permits. When the permit expires they must leave. The trouble came when INS did not kick out the millions who have expired work permits, or even undocumented. Mass easy immigration into the US essentially stopped the decade after WW2.

      Now compare this to Japan, or even Singapore. These mono-culture countries have the tightest, almost impossible requirements. For Japan, you’re either Japanese expat or Korean who have been harmed by Japan during WW2. Get my drift?

      Now let me let you in on a ‘secret’ – Kong Kong. Americans will fit right in, if stay humble. HK is open for business, open for high tech, and has a most open mind about anybody from anywhere. It is extremely tolerant but you gotta respect their long culture. You also must bring skills. It is expensive, but if you managed to get hired on condition of residency approval, you should be AOK.

      One more thing – tax. Americans who live and earn their living anywhere in the world must continue to file US tax returns and pay income tax to the IRS. That’s the beauty of American freedom – you never escape tax no matter what and where.

  • Old School

    An excellent topic, by the way. A few thoughts from a historian/economist/prepper… First, if the U.S. collapses, the rest of the planet collapses with it. You simply can’t have the largest economy, and the world reserve currency, collapse without all the other dominoes falling as well. So will there be any intact cultures left to which we Americans could possibly flee? Once all of the follow-on convulsions play out, I do not think so. At least none that we “arrogant, fat, rich, consumerist, imperialist” former Americans would find good for our long-term health.

    Realistically, for the overwhelimg majority of us, this leaves only one option: remain here in the U.S., do the best we can to survive, engage in our local commuities, and attempt to rebuild our republic one step at a time. No doubt this would be a brutal, lengthy, and costly process. It would not be the first time, or the last time, that the blood of both good and bad people is shed in the name of liberty and a better life. No escape, no magic bullets, no easy answers.

    Americans today are hated by many around the world. We are also appreciated by many. Irrational biases aside, our constitutional republic has proven to be the most effective form of government at safeguarding individual liberty that the world has seen in all of its history. Our problem today is precisely what our founding fathers feared: our central government has become too powerful and is no longer accountable to the people. It has created a welfare mentality, which our founders knew would corrupt and enslave those caught up in it. It engages in Hegelian Dialects in order to strip us of our liberties. It interferes with the sovereignty of other nations while giving our’s away to world bodies.

    WTSHTF we most likely will not have any place on the globe to run to. However, it very well may be both a threat and an opportunity.

  • Janis V

    Do us a favor and leave now. If you can’t stick w the country that offered its riches to you then beat it mooch.

    • Winston Smith

      Love it or leave it, eh? Great, want to help get me out? happy to fund me? great…..and countries do NOT give riches out-USA has taken for yrs in taxes and inflation-GOD GIVES AND GOD TAKES AWAY…try less flag wavin’, read a Bible…

  • Moonbat Lucy

    I don’t believe in countries or borders, because I live in a fantasy land of my own, where I have created my own reality. Obama 2012!

  • Open your eyes!

    There is but one place to run and hide, and that place is God — Yahweh Elohiym, as he identified himself in Genesis and to Moses, at the burning bush.

    “Yahshua (Jesus) said to ‘love Yahweh your God with all of your heart, mind, soul and body’ then all the things that you need will be given to you as well. That does not mean religion, which is idiocy and falsehood. But he must seek him in spirit and in truth.

    Five sevenths of the Scriptures are directed at America (the center piece of the House of Israel). And what is written about America is coming to pass before our very eyes.

    From RRB:

    ” It is no accident that people from all over the world have been flocking to America in droves for over 300 years, and especially after she became a nation in 1776. She was prophesied by Isaiah and Jeremiah, to be a light to the world – a blessing to every nation on earth – to be nation with an east coast, a west coast and divided by many rivers! America is the ONLY nation in the world that fits any and all of those prophecies, and dozens more. And her destruction is also prophesied, for her rebellion against and rejection of God (Elohiym). From the true land of milk and honey to the Great Whore of Revelation, America is the rebellious House of Israel – the Ten Northern Tribes of the Scriptures!”

    See resources proving this truth:

    http://www.giveshare.org/library/hwa/usproph.html

    http://www.britam.org/tape1a.html

    http://www.britam.org/tape1b.html

    http://www.artisanpublishers.com/missing-links-discovered-assyrian-tablets-bargain-basementbrbrand-just-some-headings-startbr-high-page-p-25780.html

  • Ghulam

    I was working on what I though was a rather well-considered little post here. Then I saw the little piece by Henry and decided that with slugs like that for my audience, why bother? I left the USA for good, finally, eight years ago for a place with far fewer go-getters like Henry, who make America what it is.

    • Winston Smith

      where did ouy go? looking myelf into countries that are inexpensive and could grant easier citizenship.

  • James

    If you don’t mind not living in the cities of the U.S. You probably won’t feel as much of an effect of the turmoil that will occur in the cities. If you can get a small farm and grow your own food, have the ability to sell some of the food, know how to fix and make things, can keep yourself physically fit and healthy. You should be alright. Most of the violence and lawlessness will be in the populated areas. The military and police will primarily concentrate on populated areas and not so much the rural areas. So, if you live in the country, you should be much better off.

  • Enclume

    To run, to stand and fight, to hide,to get rich, to blame to pray…Oh my! but what to do?

    you each have a vote…it is not at the fixed polls for one corruption or another…your vote is you dollar….as you can within your needs and limits remove yourself from the game…remove your dollars from the banks…do not use credit…cut up your cards…slow down the life that feeds on you….starve the beasts…remember…they are greed and greed is fear, fear needs a target…Think simply, individually, the dollar is your voice, less is best.

    much respect to all

  • Henry Butler

    Dixie…but don’t bring your high taxes, union pensions, bleeding-heart welfare, don’t wanna work-ethic down here when you come…we will dare defend out rights!

  • SF

    Well I hate to tell ‘ya’all’ but those in the know, who have seen the writing on the wall, have long gone and have it all figured out.

    Many of you yanks are here in NZ, and have left big careers and hve stocked 2yrs of food etc, not buying houses but renting, with vast gardens/farms etc etc. What does that tell you??? (tho personally I recommend Akl north – the rest is going to go under the sea)

    Nowhere is perfect, however there are a multitude of great places to live in the world.

    Americans are tragically brainwashed. Anyway there is nowhere to hide, destiny catches us all. Be kind to one another and appreciate life while you can.

  • Sid Davis

    My wife and I are in the last quarter of our lives, so the risk reward for us is a little different than for younger people. We do have wealth offshore if we are absolutely forced out, but we certainly will not easily decide to leave. We consider ourselves lucky to be in a rural area where we are less dependent on the system, and where we can provide many basics for ourselves.

    My view is that we are in a period of history similar to that which preceded the American Revolution, the Civil War and WWII and that we face either revolution or civil war, the natural consequence of the slave system we now live under. Each day brings us closer to shift out of the peaceful stage of revolution (Ron Paul, Tea Party, Occupy) into the violent stage; this can be a decade long or even somewhat longer process, which involve progressively greater confrontation by the three groups involved, these groups being (1)those currently in power (fascists/socialist), (2)those who want more government, but with themselves as the new beneficiaries of largesse (communist/socialist), and (3)those who want freedom and a minimum government (libertarian/conservative). If we are lucky the federal government will collapse in a similar fashion to the USSR in the 1990’s and peacefully go away. Of course millions dependent on the system will die as they did in the USSR, but this will be relatively small compared to the consequences of being forced to fight for restoration of our freedom.

    But added to the intensity of the coming civil conflict will be deterioration of the industrial age. While the proximate cause of the current economic depression is the boom/bust cycle with its roots in the debt based “out of thin air” monetary system centered on the Federal Reserve Bank, the underlying cause is the new economic paradigm of long term economic contraction that is resulting from increasing cost to acquire the major driver of the industrial age, oil. More and more energy is flowing into acquiring energy, leaving less of it to use to produce economic goods, upon which we are so dependent for survival. This is what oil executives mean when they tell us the era of cheap energy is over.

    If you can, arm yourself and become proficient, accumulate supplies, stay or get fit, stay close to family and friends upon whom you can depend, keep a low profile, live in an area where your values predominate instead of being a raisin in the sun (better rural than urban), and be as independent of complex centralized systems as possible so that you have a better chance of acquiring basics locally.

    Summon courage because when great scarcity rules men, savagery erupts. Civility is a luxury that is provided by positive economic times which will soon become a distant memory.

  • JJ

    Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself. – Mark Twain (1835-1910)

    “If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its patriots to its ruin.” – Samuel Adams (1780)

    “I do verily believe that a single, consolidated government would become the most corrupt government on the earth.” -Thomas Jefferson to Gideon Granger, 1800

    “I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies . . . If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] . . . will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered . . . The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.” — Thomas Jefferson — The Debate Over The Recharter Of The Bank Bill, (1809)

    Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains or slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take but as for me; give me liberty or give me death! – Patrick Henry (March 20, 1775)

    “Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily lives, and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom.” John F. Kennedy

    The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” –Thomas Jefferson

  • 007

    My choice, the Cook Islands, approximate 200 miles n.e of Austrailia. It is a gorgeous paradise. A tax free country. Their constitution was written by Tax attorneys. Great tourism business, as wells a up and coming financial center. Temperate climate. Plenty of food. Theriotswill likely never reach there.

  • John Galt

    You can search the world, but Americans really have three good choices. Canada, Australia, or New Zealand. It will take financial freedom and quite a bit of time and paperwork, but it’s worth the escape. Especially if you have kids, New Zealand would be your first choice. We live in New Zealand and find the culture better than the states. It’s peaceful without all the fighting each day with the hope and change of America. I laugh when I hear people say stay and fight. Fight what? The 59 percent getting checks from the government each month or the God hating ACLU? How about gay education or the EPA. For those that think they can win the hate the rich battle, I have news for you. The corruption of government is now filtered down to the common man in the street. Most are looking for a handout, free ride, program, or lawsuit settlement. If you think you are going to change the liberal teachings of your free schools, get a clue. America has lost it’s moral compass and an election is not going to solve the moral decay. Politicians in Washington can insider trade without protest from the public or prosecution. What does that tell you? Courts won’t hear the case of something Constitutional like a birth certificate. The Supreme Court is being loaded with liberals who have never read the Constitution, and if they did there was no comprehension of the true meaning. The tax payers are being robbed, and as long as they get a check instead of paying, who really cares anymore. Anyone that stays in the U.S. to support what they don’t believe is a moron that needs to wake up. The 55,000 page IRS code is the final straw that broke the camels back. Go to Federal Tax Court and watch them set aside their own code and break the rule of law to win. Enough is enough!

  • Sam

    The Central African Republic. The world could use a very long rest from Americans and their “culture.” This place should keep them at a reasonable distance. Second place: central New Guinea.

  • Gary2

    Looks like Scandinavian countries win. Whatever are the conservative scum going to do?

    • Joan

      Are you a parasite? Do you claim to own me and my income? Stupid psychotic publik skewl brat. Go live in Cuba, parasite runt boy.

      • Gary2

        what a good example of the low information right wing dolts. Thanks you for perfectly making my point with your post.

  • Glenn Peters

    Ask most Americans who’ve visited Australia, they’ll tell you where to go.

  • Saintpaulia

    Boy! This was all over the place. Alot of response. Alot of totally different ideas: some pretty off-base but others quite insightful.

    As for me, I’ve been looking for places to live outside of the good ol’ USA for over and year and most of the suggestions I’ve already considered. Except Fiji (got to check that one out).

    I am as patriotic as anyone; always have been. Which is why I am so mad at what has happened to America. But my patriotism does not extend to putting up with a bunch of cr*p that has been forced upon us here in the U.S. The is such a thing as the Law of Diminishing Returns. And currently living in America is a diminishing return.

    The America alot of the previous posters have been saying they will protect, defend, etc. etc. is long gone. Have at it. Be my guest. Just take a moment to consider how you are going to do that with the Government holding all the cards.

    American Redoubt. Maybe. Secession? I wish! There are plenty of places where the national government is not sticking its nose and guns in your face. And this whole idea of the Whole World hates Americans is ill-informed nonsense. There are plenty of places that don’t care where you are from as long as you are respectful towards others.

    My big problem is money. Obviously if one has alot of money then the world is your oyster. What’s really challenging is figuring out, or rather, trying to figure out, how to emigrate without it!

    Be that as it may, in the final analysis, I do not believe that Jesus is going to save me. I love him dearly but I don’t think that is his plan.

  • http://BrophyWorld.com Mark Brophy

    Imagine living with a responsible government like Hong Kong, in a Mediterranean climate like California. Unfortunately, no such Utopia exists; however, each individual chooses a life based on what he values most and the deficiencies he is willing to tolerate.

    Chile offers a combination of pleasant climate and fewer government burdens than many others. If you’re ready to shed the debt your government has imposed upon you, it is a good destination to consider.

    Free enterprise plays a greater role in Chilean health care than in other countries. Medical care in Santiago is better than Britain and Canada because there are no long waits, and better than the USA because the government does not artificially reduce the supply of doctors and increase prices by limiting enrollment in medical schools and internships.

    The Chilean government taxes private enterprise less than the USA and Europe. The government consumes 19% of the economy, compared to 45% in the USA and 50% in Germany. The Chilean peso is a stronger currency than the dollar and euro. Unfortunately, the government has unwisely bought dollars to subsidize exports. The national debt is 6% of GDP, compared to 59% in the USA, 76% in the UK, 63% in Spain, and 50% in Argentina (Source: CIA World Factbook). Santiago is growing while other countries are stagnating. The IPSA index of Chilean stocks has quintupled in the last 10 years.

    Chile ranks higher than any Latin American country in economic freedom (ranked 11th) and competitiveness (ranked 30th), according to the Heritage Foundation and the United Nations Global Competitiveness Report. The cost of living in Santiago is about the same as Austin and much cheaper than San Francisco and the Silicon Valley.

    http://brophyworld.com/move-to-santiago-chile/

  • http://www.israeloutlook.com Israel Outlook

    Michael, thank you for this article and your work.

    Here are my thoughts as a Global Security/Foreign Policy geek with more than a decade and a half as an expat.

    Read your bible. All of it. Now.

    Repeat above.

    Clean up your life.

    Find out where God wants you, and go there.

    If God isn’t telling you where to go, go to where it is safe. Remember that safety comes only with having safe neighbors. Safe neighbors are people who know hardship and won’t fall apart when it comes.

    Safe neighbors are also people who read their bible, clean up their lives and go to where God wants them to go.

    Have a plan.

    Make friends with people who have the same kind of plan.

    Prepare to help the people around you when it all falls apart.

    Keep an eye on Israel. She’s the Canary in the Coal Mine.

    Love your neighbor.

    Above all…

    Love God.

    • Michael

      Good comments :)

      Michael

  • Cheep Chump

    Mother Russia is the best place for older Americans like myself. We can rely on Khrushchev’s 1961 promise, “We will bury you.” (“Мы вас похороним!”) Our own country can’t even afford to cremate U$ in a timely manner.

  • Joe

    Don’t leave! There’s a spot a FEMA camp waiting for you. If you choose to fight, make sure your neighbors are worth defending and will defend you. 90+% of folks would be turned in by their neighbors. Think about it. The mindless fluoride heads could care less what happens to you. Also, the founding fathers came from people who ran away from their former homes.

    What’s special about America is not the land mass. It’s the spirit of freedom. That is portable. The land is not. America today is not the same place it was during the founding. The primary difference is that the people here are brain dead and the gov has done it’s homework on overthrowing us. They plan everyday on how to sink this nation while we spend time planning Fantasy Football. We simply don’t have the caliber of folks around who can command the idiot masses. That is, unless they can interrupt the mind zapping signal. (Ref. “The Running Man”)

    Otherwise, with military terminology, have an E&E plan (escape and evasion). Don’t be an equally braindead Patriot who’s going to “stay and fight.” You have to ask yourself, is it worth it? Look around society. Most of these morons that surround us aren’t worth one drip of blood. (Ref. “Black Friday”)

    Also, the technocrats are getting quite confident, bullish and impatient. If they aren’t getting to get their way, they may simply bypass troops on the street and go straight for the robots, nuclear, biologicals and chemicals. Why do you think they are building their underground lairs and seed vaults? They plan to kill us off.

    Consider a place that even though not so free, still has an economy and industry. Freedom in America is being zapped. Communism is rising. We’ll be the same as any craphole nation but without the jobs. You can be here under a boot and hungry or be elsewhere under a boot, employed and fed. Be realistic.

    I’m all for defending freedom and Ron Paul. We have to be realistic, however. Stick it out as long as possible. Just don’t be a fool and know when to cut loose. When that day comes, ensure you have a plan. Hence the need to evaluate ideas now.

  • Paul

    I am not American, I am European. That said I would like to say that the US is the greatest joke in the world right now. You were once a powerful nation, you built in your 235 years of existence an influential, powerful, strong country, but now you are falling apart. Do not, for one second, think that presently the rest of the world sees you as “the greatest nation on Earth” (by the way, stupid statement!!!! – no nation is greater than another, just different!!). Here in Europe you are seen as a complete joke, a country that once was great, but now just brings us celebrities, Hollywood, Wikileaks cable jokes, stupid stories, etc. General opinion: you are a complete joke! Again that said I do not believe in staying in my country and fight, if it does not deserve so. I love living in my country, do not imagine myself living anywhere else, but all politicians around the world, including those from my country, are behaving like spoiled children, they are destroying my country, and I do not feel obliged to fight for them. One can argue that, then, nowhere is good to live, because all governments and politicians are dirty, corrupt, destructive, etc. Good point…but I will do my best to find a place that really deserves my effort and my passion.
    Do not forget that your country is responsible for both the Great Depression and the current one, with that idiotic thing called Wall Street (which unfortunately we, Europe, copied). But it all started with you. You live in your “we are exceptional” idealism, that you forget the rest of the world exists, and THEY ARE NOT SUBJECT TO YOUR WILL AND DESIRES. Wake up America!, get real, come down to Earth and leave your stupid thoughts of “the greatest nation on Earth” (sorry, this one makes me laugh all the time). I have visited your country a few times, mostly on business, and it just feels wrong, artificial, fake.

  • Erik from Alberta

    I am laughing my ass off. You Americans there is a place where you can go that is still in North America, is libertarian as hell and has a per capita GDP of $80,000 dollars per person (Only Norway is higher). You know that country the size of Russia with no people in it directly north of us? In this country is an independent libertarian region known in Canada as Northern Texas exists north of Montana. Its the province of Alberta. It is the richest jurisdiction in North America and on top of that it is the size of Texas. Its cold as balls during winter (-60F) but thats only a few months and the pitch black days and northern lights are eerily cool. But we still grow pears, grapes, tomatoes, plumbs, cherries, raspberries, etc. We even managed to coax American Elms to grow up here, and they are among the biggest stands left in the world since that blight bug thing killing them in the States is too much of a sissy for our winters. Summer is around 80F but soaking wet so you can still grow stuff for half the year. We also perfected the art of greenhouses (24/7/52 growth). We also have sweet critters such as grizzlies, bighorn sheep, mountain goats, black bears, mountain lions, wolves, reindeer, elk, moose and sasquatch (yes, they are real). It turns out this northern land has a shitload of oil trapped under it, so much so that in fact there is more oil under Alberta than Saudi Arabia and Iraq TOGETHER. (We also have diamonds and natural gas too). We aren’t environmentalist pukes who refuse to touch anything so we drill, everywhere. But we all get loaded from the leasing rights so nobody cares. Sitting on your ass and making $30,000 bucks annually for no reason is always good. Land is cheap and we are rich beyond belief, registering continuous economic growth even during this so called slump in the States. Our economy grew 3.3% last quarter. Also, nobody lives here. 30 million people live in Texas. Alberta is just as big and has 3 million, 2.5 million of which live on a strip of land the size of Connecticut, leaving a vast wilderness that I happened to grow up and live in. Nothing will happen up here, and its funny as if you wanted you can come up here and sit on your ass every Sunday and watch NFL football like we all do. Its nice as we can all be richer than Americans, but act like them and copy them culturally. Alberta and the rest of Canada is just an extension of the United States. We can stay close enough to tag along for the ride but are able to avoid all the splatter when shit hits the fan. Alberta is the place to be, and one day if everything goes as bad as everyone is fearing may be your overlord in the future as we will be the only civilized ones left standing on the continent. So come here while you can, you’ll never know you left the States. We even speak the same type of English as someone in Colorado or Wyoming. No accent. Hope I convinced someone with half a brain to come up here.

  • John

    Please stay in the US and don’t go anywhere else. You are not welcome.

  • Sam

    I had hoped that this string would focus on the specifics of other countries that might be good to move to… Instead, 9 of 10 posts are mere philosophical pontification. Where do you find information on Latin American countries? Information on the areas covered in the article…?

  • http://www.netivotolam.org Flick

    Viking in Asia, if you’re still reading comments here, please drop me a line via my website (click on name?). I’ve narrowed my search down to Mongolia and Uruguay, but I’d like to ask you about something you mentioned. Peace.

  • Tom

    Dontcha just love these primitive twits who refer to dirt-n-rock with a gun-n-jail-backed political fence (aka, Country) as “She”? Motherland and Fatherland is the sign of a primitive little slave mind.

  • http://www.netivotolam.org Flick

    Viking in Asia, never mind. I just googled “expats” and “mongolia” and got quite a list of expats and former expats posting about insane levels of xenophobic violence against non-Mongolians there. I was interested because you said there are gun rights there, but it appears that New Zealand may be the only viable option (unless I discover that Uruguay honors the right of self defense with a firearm). Short of that, it looks like I’ll be staying and fighting.

    • stanislav mishin

      Russia is a proper Christian nation and quite stable, Faux “Athenian” News coverage aside. It also has a 6.4% unemployment rate (4% for experts and specialists), a booming economy, booming building industry and quite low taxes. Limited gun rights, but much much more liberal then those of the UK/Australia.

    • A Viking in Asia

      Flick,
      Regarding violence against expats in Mongolia, it does sometimes happen. Unfortunately, there is a very small but vocal ultra-nationalist minority here, who will on occasion go out of their way to harass foreigners (I’m guessing you read the posts on mongolexpat; I actually made a post there recently but the approval process there is slow and it hasn’t shown up yet). However these are not everyday events, and IMO you are much more at risk of being hit by crazy drivers than being targeted for being foreign. I’ve been walking around Ulaanbaatar just about every day since arriving here late summer and I don’t live in any high-end or exclusive part of town either, and thus far I have not had any problems other than a failed pickpocket attempt. These violent incidents do happen, but even considering that nationalist minority presence I’m no less safe here so far than I was in some of the places I lived in the US. You just have to stay alert (Condition Yellow) and not walk around with your guard down whenever out and about, no different than when outside your home in the US or anywhere else. One should also consider the degree of the violence; the worst one can USUALLY expect here is being beat up, and more often it’s just taunting or harassment. Compare that with back in the US where violent crime typically involves much more incidents of rape or murder. Finally, there’s a big difference in attitudes amongst the city and country people… in the country friendly attitudes are the norm, but in the city it’s hit-or-miss. The take-away is do more research and don’t let any one thing you read (my post included) make your decision for you.
      On a side note, Mongolia is not the best place to immigrate permanently. They don’t allow dual-citizenship, so if acquiring citizenship there is important to you one has to relinquish all other citizenship (a risky move IMO). Mongolian is also not the easiest language to learn (at least not for me), and it’s challenging to learn your way around unless you already have ties here and know people. Great place for visiting or for business prospects, but not for relocating permanently unless you are REALLY committed. My 2 cents…

    • A Viking in Asia

      Flick,
      Just to add… maybe I’m reading a little into your posts, but it sounds like you’re uncertain as to what your looking for. Anyway, just examine your reasons for wanting to move before you make any decisions. Ideally you have to find something you love about your destination; just wanting to get out of where you’re at is usually not enough. For us personally it was not a matter of “getting out” (I have no intention of leaving the US for good by any stretch), but rather it represented a better opportunity for starting our family business, a chance for us to experience more of the world and Asia in particular, and a chance for my son to spend time in his 2nd country and with the Mongolian side of his family. Find what it is you’re REALLY looking for… for all you know that thing might just be where you’re already at but you haven’t seen it yet! Best of luck.

  • Ms. Wiseman

    All this hateful talk against people who choose to leave the USA are full of assumptions. Most never said they were giving up their citizenship. Some simply want find work and there are jobs overseas that pay well (Singapore). Some want to find a reasonably safe place to homestead free of government intrusions. And contrary to the opinions of most, these places do exist where the cost of living is either the same as in USA or lower. To really do well I would suggest lowering your expectations of living the lifestyle of the rich and famous. That is not reality. And it is perfectly legal to live a life without borders. Why enslave your fellow countryman to live within the confines of a box? The soul longs to be free. Far better to escape the major cities and setup a place or a homestead – in Amerika or elsewhere – for your loved ones to come to when civilisation as we know it really collapses. There is a severe need for people to love thy neighbor as thyself and to setup communities where we can welcome the sojourner to safety. Whether in this country or the next, this is not for the lazy.

    • Winston Smith

      Our forebearers came here (unless one is Native) and we can easily leave too….USA is very much a match for the Whore, riding the waves w/immorality and war…..

  • senbei

    The hardest part about moving overseas is definately the visa problem. Because of america’s strict immigration regulations other countries impose strict regulations for americans wishing to immigrate to their country. If you are a low skilled, low income man like me this is bad news. While many developed countries have working holiday visa agreements with other country the USA only has it with 3, or 4 countries I believe. I tried moving to Japan earlier this year, I went on a tourist visa and while I was there I was looking for jobs(which probably is illegal), however I could not find a sponsor to get a work visa(since I dont have a degree) and had to go home. I plan on returning but with a japanese wife as that is the only way I can move there is with a spousal visa. Which brings me to the easiest way to move to a foreign country, and that is marry a native of that country, because most countries allow spouses of natives to get work visas. Also Japan is a great country, however unfortunately they are turning more western and american by the day. Low wage jobs are a plenty there which means it wont be hard to get a job as long you got a japanese wife so you can get that visa. Also you will need to learn Japanese, which is actually really easy if you are motivated, and the chinese characters are not hard at all(I learned 2,000 plus in 3 months).

    • stanislav mishin

      If you are a specialist: engineer, scientist, business manager, lawyer, etc, and you can find a sponsor, you can get a Russian 3 year specialist visa in 2.5 weeks (after filing, the longest part is getting the paperwork together, which normally takes about a month). Once you have lived for half a year, you can file for a temperary green card, that is anchored to the length of the visa: 3 years. After 3 years, you get a second 3 year visa. On year 5 you file for citizenship: show knowledge of Russian and Russian history (you have 5 years to learn, well more then enough time) and you become a citizen. Of course, the US will still try to collect taxes from you for 10 years after you give up your citizenship, so you had best cash out everything first or they will simply confiscate anything and everything.

      • http://leefoflife@gmail.com leefoflife

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  • http://WRH RJ OGuillory

    I come from a family of corrupt law enforcement folks,…so the idea of the country dropping like a stone in water,…and the propaganda catching up with the reality of our “freedoms” has long been an issue with me,…even as I worked for US DoD in a two-decade+ career which allowed me to live in Japan, Germany, Bosnia, Hungary, South Korea and a few other remote spots on the planet,….

    …my choice for a long-term move? Hungary!

    …I ran a $20,000.00 a day bar (open 6pm-10pm) on an abandoned Soviet Airbase in Hungary,…and it was one of the coolest, nicest times of my life,….the local currency,.the Forent spent well,…the dollar bought a lot of Forent,…and the people live a lower-middle class lifestyle with great food, strong families and a liberty-minded populace that ignores the government and police corruption,…carving out lives of fun and adventure,..while recovering from their idiotic years of communism and the Soviet domination,…of all the countries I’ve been to,..the Hungarian mindset,…the vibe of most Hungarians is of liberty and good nature,…yet they are hard working, mostly honest folks who feel much like Americans when it comes to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness,..

    Regards,

    RJ O’Guillory
    Author-
    Webster Groves-The Life of an Insane Family
    rob_oguillory@yahoo.com

    • Winston Smith

      tempting, but to close to NATO, EU, etc…..to each his own on that…..

    • stanislav mishin

      Your description of Hungary is a lot like that of Russia, especially in the villages and smaller cities.

  • m.matthews

    @ Open your eyes ,don’t be readily deceived by the bristish Israelism conjecture flaunted by Armstrong .America if you look is part of the support for Israel .Israel is Israel of the Holy land in the middleast ,not America as you seem to put it .America wil be destroyed to because she stay away from God’s commands same as any nation staying away from God . America the primary defender of Israel will be reduced if not decapitated to fulfill the prophetic Gog and Magog war , Psalm 83 war ,when real Israel of today will do these wars alone .America isn’t a promise land as you think .America serves a purpose for the promise land for a given period .There no description of America foretold in the prophecies .

    • Winston Smith

      True, Armstrong was a Judiazer….like Haggee

    • Winston Smith

      Christ est his Church and his New Covenant, Satan his Synagogue, starting right after 70 AD and jump started at Jamnia…love a Jew? hope so, so you want the best for them, which means faith in Christ alone……Christ is for all peoples, not one ethnic group, nor is one group excluded….Christ or anti-Christ.,you pick..

  • Winston Smith

    “Americans are often shocked to learn that the rights that we enjoy in the United States do not apply in the rest of the world.”

    Actually, many nations try to protect their own..most nations, you have to buy health insurance if you are staying for a length of time. Malta has strict laws on property, so that foreigners, EU or others, cannot price Maltese out of the housing market….Costa Rica, if you are staying, you are required to buy health insurance. Same for many other areas. Most nations do not allow for “USA rights”, in that they do enforce immigration and do not allow anyone to the trough of medical care, free of charge..or cheaper home loans,etc…..

  • Winston Smith

    to add, give me a job (also, most nations have prefernece for their own citizens) or help me get a business going and beleive me, I would be gone……

  • Seamus

    I have been thinking along the same lines as Armel (quoted below) for awhile now. The thing about being aware, awake, knowing how things actually work, etc., is that dealing with those who aren’t and don’t want to be becomes extremely trying and creates a sense of futility, and of isolation.

    Living in voluntary community with others who also already get it and largely agree with you, and having at least some strength in numbers, some aspect of many hands making lighter work, and most important, not having to constantly fight for the most basic tenets of your beliefs against people who couldn’t possibly care less about them, makes perfect sense.

    I attended the Free State Project’s PorcFest several years back in New Hampshire, and it was liberating and invigorating to know I was in the company of truly like-minded people, even for a few days. Living like that all the time sounds really good.

    If, say, there were a progressive section of the continent, of the Dennis Kucinich/Ralph Nader/Cynthia McKinney stripe, right next to a libertarian/Constitutionalist region, the Ron Paul section, I will dub it, though I would personally live in the Paul section, as I am firmly anti-collectivist after long and careful consideration, I would love to see how it goes for the progressive section and I could imagine lots of beneficial interactions between those areas. Both could serve as example beacons, like the U.S. once did.

    James and someone else suggested the spine of the Rockies, and being away from cities, and I agree with both assessments.

    Armel – “Maybe instead of leaving the continent, we should just reconsider the political boundaries with respect to values, freedoms or lack thereof. Igor Panarin has been predicting a breakup of the US for the last decade. Perhaps it’s time that those of us with similar values stick together via relocating—sort of a ‘safety in numbers’ move, if you will….conservative, Constitutionalists in one designated area and liberals in another area, each area being treated as separate, sovereign entities, entirely different countries, who cares as long as they are distinct. There are too many left versus right arguments going on in this country…if we can’t get along, let’s just bid adieu and part ways, at least for a while.”

    • Winston Smith

      true, if need or want, to stay USA,get out of large cities, stay in country more where one can plant, grow and keep to self…Amish have it right on that, so too, in some respects, do Mormons….

  • George von Uri

    This past year I have bought places in Switzerland and Montevideo, Uruguay. I love Switzerland, but getting residency permission there is extremely difficult for an American, as is opening a bank account, because of U.S. bullying of the Swiss over the years. I have been able to obtain residency in Uruguay, which has helped in my dealings with Switzerland. Also, Montevideo is a very safe and fun beach community of about 1.5 million people, with a temperate climate.

  • Winston Smith

    “emma:

    No one will get away from teh economic collapse, but if I had a choice I would say Australia or Canada. the US is screwed.

    yes, USA was always a nation “in potential”, od gave us awhile and blessings, we mocked Him and blew it…now, like Israel, He will use natural disasters, our won stupidity and others to beat us, like “the rod of Assyria” beat Israel..

  • Winston Smith

    “South america has a lot of little counties with a high standard of living, that are easy to get lost in. Their economies are stronger, you might not make as much money if you’re working down there, but your money goes a lot farther. Pretty much everybody speaks English down there, and there’s already a lot of expats to welcome you to your new digs.”

    I am with you, I can study to Hablo/A Espanol….that said, what would I do for income? Their restrictions on foreigners taking jobs is tough. I have enough $$ to get a home, likely paid for, but not likely enough to start a biz….

  • Winston Smith

    will check back on this thread soon. Stayed tuned, might create a group/site/email to send me out of here..then again, few have the $$ to send me and most Neocons are all talk, but would not rid me if they could..

  • Dargos

    The best place for Americans to relocate is Israel. Why? It will be easy for the Federal Reserve to move there since it is already run by dual Israeli American citizens. Good citizens struggle in a revolution to change their gangsters or Mafia like rulers. Are Americans up to that task? What you need is a genuine revolution like in Egypt and Tunisia.

  • Corporal Hicks

    Look, it’s all about population DENSITY. There’s just too many of us. They can’t pummel YOUR head (at least not right away) if you’re in Timbuktu and they can’t readily get to you.

    Get OUT of the cities. Many will surely die there as resources are immediately cut off. “Thinning the herd” will take just weeks, if not days. The Golden Horde will make its exodus, looking for food and water. Things will get nasty, as desperation leads to violence. Expect the National Guard and military to crack lots of heads. Sorry, Posse Comitatus has long been fried to a crisp while you were so busy watching “Dancing with the Stars.”

    Get on farmland. Start growing vegetables. ENJOY it.

    All this advice applies whether you’re a die-hard American who refuses to leave, or an ex-pat’er who just can’t take staying in the U.S. anymore without losing their sanity completely.

    I thinks it’s counterproductive to criticize Americans who leave versus those who stay. America’s last gasp was Gettysburg, people. And no, shyte for brains, the Civil War wasn’t about slavery. Lincoln could’nt have given a hamster’s shyte about black people. What he wanted (and got) was a centralized Washington Federal Government that has skewed the entire world, with its bought-out traitor Congress funded by a private Federal Reserve (not “Federal” and not a “Reserve of anything” except “thin-air” money created by psychopathic private bankers.)

    So get rural whether you’re in the U.S. or outside the U.S. I do have a chuckle about all the folks who think European cities are the answer. Hope they know how to make Molotov cocktails.

    Get RURAL for God’s sake and good luck

  • Rob

    You might want to opt for Alaska. I expect that when it hits the fan in the lower 48, they will opt for independence. The military will be far too busy in the lower 48 crushing rebellion to invade Alaska. And with oil, Alaska does actually have something to export.

  • Shawn

    Stay and fight? Who are you fighting. Its a faceless enemy that is destroying our country. The better way to fight is to find a new country with strong economic opportunity. When enough people leave they will have to start making changes. Plus who wouldn’t want to see the world and learn. I have spent a fair amount of time traveling to Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Paris, Monaco, Milan, Zurich ect. With my experience the USA is no longer the best place to live. Any where i have gone i felt safe and had no problems. Next stop for me is South America. From my research its the best place to go. Countries like Chile, Brazil, Uraguay, and Ecuador look very promising. I will find out in a few months. Low cost of living and high quality of life.

  • http://goto.glocalnet.net/pdn/ Perdavid Nygren

    “Millions of American citizens have already left the United States in search of a better life.” What bull******, all you americans can do is blaming the democrats or republicans (or both) while eating fat flesh looking down on the entire World outside your rotten empire.

  • Vicente

    Most countries in South America have been swayed to the Communist side of things, or at least have become severely Socialist, but one major holdout is Chile. Chileans have many more liberties than Americans in many States, including completely unrestricted religious liberty (the ACLU doesn’t have a significant Chilean counterpart) and the government hasn’t yet gotten completely roped into welfarism.

    Plus, Spanish is a simple to learn yet wonderfully elegant language, and there are many English-speakers in the country. In fact, there is a region where German is still spoken in addition to Spanish, so you have a good chance of finding a place to fit in.

  • comnenus

    My answer is, None.

    Virtually all countries where roundeyes can feel comfortable at share very similar problems with the US, and all of them depend upon US military forces at least in some degrees.

    Virtually all Western bloc nations look for America to bail them out when there is trouble. So if America goes berserk, these nations are virtually on their own, against the millions of NAMs ready to strike trouble any time.

  • anon

    Go to Somalia. No Big Gubmint and security is handled by militias just like Ron Paul and the Founding Fathers wanted. Also it is a traditional culture with religion playing a large role in people’s lives – OK, it’s not Christianity, but at least they have strong moral values and free enterprise! Go for it!

  • joseph32

    I believe that we should stay here. Look at the rest of the world and how messed up most of it is. I’m concerned that America will end up like the rest of the world soon. Vote for Ron Paul for president and if he is elected i believe that freedom can be saved if Ron Paul gets elected. We will control the executive branch for four years, and Ron Paul will be able to wake people up and restore america. If he doesn’t get elected I’m not sure what will happen, it might be too late to save freedom but if he’s able to campaign for a few years and help elect constitutionalists and austro-libertarians into congress that could work. If that doesn’t work then we must hope for a state to secede. I personally want Ron Paul to move to Idaho and run for governor and help them secede from the union.

  • Joel

    Well, well, interesting comments there.
    I’m a Belgian (A “chocolate man” as my wife call me lol… Belgian Chocolate is the best… hehehe), and live more precisely in Europe’s Capital – Brussels.

    In the past, long before I was married, I looked to move to the USA but was taken aback by the feelings I had of cultural clash (Yes, it also happen between Western Cultures). This desire faded, not because suddenly I didn’t like the US, but because of my daiy life and work.

    The fact is, looking at all the comments, I never saw so much troubled Americans about there own country. Seen from here, USA is really crumbling, sinking, collapsing, etc, etc (and I do think that there is no doubt about that). The simple fact that so many Americans, nowadays, are ready or thinking to leave their country on one hand, and on the other hand to fight and die for it, for me, is indicative of where the heart and soul of America is now : depressed.

    Should you fight for your country? Yes, if it still is YOUR country.
    Should you leave your country? No, if it still is YOUR country.

    Everyhting goes around answering this simple question : Is the USA still your country?
    (I mean the land of the free, the country of the people, for the people and with the people). Only Americans can answer that one. It would be presomptuous for a foreigner to say get out of there…

    Your action should be guided on answering this simple question. If it is still your country – to fight for it seem the most logical thing to do. But if it isn’t, leaving is wise to do.

    Then were to flee? Europe? Welcome, but don’t hope things to be better here. Don’t forget, we live under the same kind of system which is breaking down America. And here, the laws and regulations are far from USA style, more burdensome in a lot of ways. Yes, you have the freedom of speech… to a certain point. Yes, you can have a gun… but with a lot of regulations to submit to. Etc, etc. Come in Europe BUT FORGET American way of life.

    Uncle Sam and Mother Europe are on the same boat… also, as much as I can see around me anti-american feelings are spreading bit by bit. It’s not something you will read in the newspaper, but reading between the line can help you understand that. Personnaly, I find it stupid because it’s out of pure generalities, something like : “ah, it’s because of those americans and their crazy economic decisions”. Problem, most of Americans don’t have a say in economic decision, on the contrary they have to live with also. But that kind of generalities are on the rise when speaking with lay people around (how long before this feeling raises to the top of our government… I don’t know).

    Anyway. Leaving or fighting will reside on wether or not YOU feel this is still YOUR country.

    As a side note, I’m planning to leave Europe for another place, so not only Americans have the feeling it’s time to leave… Europe is not for the people and from the people since long now.

    Cheers

  • XXX

    If you’ve got cash New Zealand will let you in if you invest in Government Bonds.

    http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/stream/invest/investment/default.htm

    You can also buy some interesting guns online in New Zealand if you have a firearms license:

    http://www.guncity.co.nz/9mm-xidg28340.html

    http://www.guncity.co.nz/other-xidg28341.html

  • AUSSIE

    To all the Ugly Americans considering moving to Australia, please don’t! You have already screwed our nation enough from afar let alone actually coming here to live! Stay home and fix your own problems!

  • lilo

    Honestly, sometimes this place gets to me, but I would not want to go anywhere else at the moment. Most of the Americans overseas are likely working for the US government or US government contracts or US home-based corporations. Where would you go? China…no thanks. Europe…have you read the news. Japan…ut-oh…..Latin American..maybe Brazil. Point is that the problems we faced here are faced 10-fold by many countries of the world. Find ways to make it work.

  • Mario Comequieto

    Brazil! Brazil is the country of future! Carnaval, soccer and women! And yours wifes are very welcome here. I guarantee that they will have a lot of work…

  • Andres

    What about Chile.

    If you like an emerging country with great nature, beautiful landscapes, strong dollar exchange and lots of economic and social freedom, then Chile it is.

    US citizens are well recived, and depending on there skills or studys (degrees), I think that finding a job will not be a problem at all.

    Jobs

    I have to mention that if you have a bussines degree and you’re a friend of finance, then here you’ll be a god. The Chilean financial market it’s still in diapers, and anyone who knows about finance, economics(Keynesian sadly), investment or bussines, will have a glorious forthcoming here.

    There’re also lots of jobs in the wine industry, the mining industry, the wood industry, the energy industry (Hydro-Electric) and the agriculture industry, and the best of all…they’re all provided by the best US based corporations ..wondering where America’s jobs are??? Well they’re all in the emerging economies. The taxes that American corporations have to pay here is a joke and how the capital they bring it’s in greenbacks, they can afford to make huge investments where ever they want cause let me tell you that here the dollar is a strong well accepted currency.

    My only worry with american corporations coming to do bussines here, is that big banks like JP Morgan or Goldman are getting their tentacles here, so in the future if this banks doesn’t bring the world down first or go bankrupt as they should, were are in for a treat. This aside I think american corporations that are already here, bring with them good jobs, higher wages and carreer opportunities that are priceless.

    For example a I have a friend who works for Microsoft Chile and other one who works for the newly General Electric Chile division. They’re both earning GOOD money and making a carreer in their jobs (climbing the stairs of succes in Chile).

    Education

    Education is a big social problem this days, cause the populist “rigth wing called” government of Sebastian Piñera wants to socialize education. You’ll have to understand that the mayority of people here think that they have a left wing(socialist) thinking, when instead, when you talk with them, the only thing they want is real economic freedom, is just that they’ve canalized the wrong way. So, in recent events the people have demanded that the state put more money for education expecting that the prices fall.

    Well, this is the problem of Chilean education. State universities are almost as expensive as private ones so not everyone gets to go to college, so insted of making education more private, the state will subsidise even more to his universities(this will bring them down for sure).

    Even though, the best private universities like the Adolfo Ibañez(http://www.uai.cl/) are very cheap if you are from the US and they have teachers with Harvard, Yale, Pinceton, and Oxford PhD’s. This is the university where all the elite of my country studies. So if you want to become a president of a small country or a CEO of a Chilean corporation, you know now, that you don’t have to go to Harvard directly, insted you can study in Chile with a cheaper tuition fee and the same teachers.

    Economic data

    Unemployment rate in Chile is at 7.2, PCI at 0.3, GDP is at 6%, and our foreing exchange rate is 1 dollar for 509 chilean pesos(strong dollar still).

    The mayor part of our income as a country comes through the copper mining industry. The China growth bubble fiasco could be a problem for us in that respect, but we are trying to make copper internaly demanded, so every week someone appears on the news with another application for it.

    So if you have an idea for copper other than electric conduction, bring it here, you’ll be best welcome, and you’ll get rich in the way.

    Locations

    Because we’re a country that is coming out of recent dictatorship impose by your CIA in the 70’s, poverty and social imbalances are still our biggest problems. This is notorious especially in the capital Santiago.But,if you don’t mine cold wheather(not alaska cold)then the south of my country is, I dare to say, the best place in the world to live. Air is fresh, the land is fertile and beatiful, anf if you have anywere from 60K or more to come, you could buy a piece of land and start a bussines in a second. This is also true for the south of Argentina, but there is not much of the economic freedom we enjoy here, cause they have a lefty government. Even though the south of Argentina is like another country (nothing to do with the capital Buenos Aires…just tango).

    When I talk about the south of Chile, I’m talking about the region starting from the south of Concepcion (6 hours from the capital)down to the antartica region. (Even though there are lots of fine places between Santiago and Concepcion)

    Well US friends, we have one thing in common we’re all free market capitalists (or Austrians if you like), we all read Lew Rockwell and we all enjoy freedom. I think that life should be enjoyed to the fullest…so…If you care about living life as it should, think about coming to the better “end of the world”.

    ….one other thing, here are the greatest non poluted water reserves in the world.

    Excuse my english..It’s a bit rusty.

    Good luck

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    @TheBearEnd

  • RED MAN

    YOU ARE ALL IN ERROR. ”WE THE PEOPLE” AND “ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL” IS RED LAW, OLD LAW. YOU HAVE BEEN ALLOWED ONLY SO MUCH TIME TO PLAY ON OUR LAND SO YOU COULD BE A LIGHT TO THE WORLD.IN FACT, JESUS IS THE ONLY GOOD THING YOU BROUGHT WITH YOU. NOW THAT YOU HAVE TURNED YOUR BACK ON SANITY THE PLANET WILL CLEAN OUR LAND OF YOU. WE WILL LIVE IN HARMONY ONCE MORE, AND ONLY “HUMAN BEINGS” WILL BE ALLOWED, WHATEVER COLOR. AS FOR ALL THE TALK OF FIGHTING, NONE OF YOU ARE WARRIORS. YOU WERE NEVER WARRIORS.

  • http://writersoftheriogrande.com Edgardo

    Sad to say, no one in this article mentioned Mexico. Not the option it once was…So near, yet so foreign. And there might be more heat here than light. The big question is this: Is there any where to really run too/ And why are we running from a few sleazy politicians and banksters and high finance types? Well, we all have to make our decisions. Americans could become the new aliens in the strange lands beyond our borders. – edgardo
    Millions of American citizens have already left the United States in search of a better life.

  • godsofold

    Lots of good comments. But in the end, realize a few things. 1. There is NO WHERE to run. The agenda is GLOBAL. So stick to familiar ground.
    2. Someone mentioned that WE as the military and Vets have failed because we let the government get out of control. I disagree. OUR job, that’s you and I, OUR job is to be the government. That’s what the founding fathers wanted. For “WE” the people to police our own and stand for ourselves. This is NOT a you or me issue… this is an US issue. But I promise you this, all of you that chose to leave, please do so. It’s understandable, and certainly warranted with what we all know is happening and about to happen, no one blames you. But, there are those of us that will stand, we’ll fight and we’ll die here. And if we win, just know that we died for you to have a place to come back home to. Just please remember that.

    Semper Fi
    godsofold at hotmail dot com

  • Okie Dan

    I love how different we Americans are from our national self-psychology. We gloat in our history of immigrants seeking a better country and then speak ill of those who seek to find a better country. I’m not a patriot, as Mark Twain used to quote Samuel Johnson, so will I, “Patriotism is the last refuge for scoundrels.” As a Christian I believe there is one God, and one Savior who died for all of humanity. The goal of patriotism is similar to the goal of families. We should no more think our nation is the only or even the perfect nation than we would think our family is a perfect family or the best family. The reality is that we are all looking for a place to call home -whether on earth or beyond.

  • Marcos

    Yo no soy estadounidense, ni vivo en USA; pero si lo fuera, no saldría de USA porque Jesús viene pronto, sólo me prepararía para tiempos difíciles. Ahora, si alguien tiene necesidad de salir de USA, le diría lo siguiente:
    1) No elegir el hemisferio norte, por causa de las bombas atómicas y la radiación.
    2) No un país dominado por el Nuevo Orden Mundial, porque sospecho que también lo llevarán a la quiebra.
    3) No un país que carezca de sus propios alimentos, agua y energía, porque en tiempos difíciles tendrá sus propios recursos.
    4) Un país cuya economía esté en crecimiento, pues allá es más fácil hallar trabajo o emprender negocios.
    5) No en zona de volcanes, porque se activarán.
    6) Lo ideal sería una región surcada por ríos, porque está escrito:
    Isa 18.7 En aquel tiempo será traída ofrenda a Jehová de los ejércitos, del pueblo de elevada estatura tez brillante, del pueblo temible desde su principio y después gente fuerte y conquistadora, cuya tierra es surcada por ríos, al lugar del nombre de Jehová de los Ejércitos, al monte de Sión.
    Cuando vengan los tiempos difíciles, habrá gente que sobreviva, y llevarán ofrenda y alabanza al Creador en Jerusalén.

  • MarkD

    I live in a small town in Arkansas. I have almost none of the worries many of you have. We will be able to survive almost anything. I have friends that are doctors, nurses, dentist, vets and more all of them see what is coming and will be willing to barter services or provide them free. On this land my great, great, great, great, great grandparents hid here during the trail of tears when they wanted to round us halfbreeds up. We hid here and stayed safe during the civil war. My grandparents and parents live here through the great depression. They are now all buried at a little church here. We can grow our own food draw our water out of our hand dug wells that have been here a hundred years already. Raise some cows and chickens. Everyone of us is well armed and willing to fight. One dirt road in 5 miles can be easy to control. We pray in school and say the Pledge. Kids miss behave in school get licks still. I know most liberal think have have stopped us, but we live on. Our kids say yes mame and yer sir. We respect each other. If you pull up in front of Walmart there will be cars with the keys hanging in them and the doors unlocked. We pray at our football games every game. Small town America still lives in a lot of areas and we welcome hard working conservatives who dont want to ruin our way of life, like they have ruined their own. We are happy, we help our friend who are down, anyone in our town that needs a meal will eat. Last night my wife’s car made a strange noise she pulled over to see what it was and had 2 different people stop to see if she needed help. America lives on in the small towns. Got to go feed the chickens. God bless

  • Frank Andrews

    After 26 years of military service I have traveled a good part of the world. I conclude that the USA remains the best place to live. It is worth fighting and if necessary, dying for. The second Revolutionary War isn’t too far around the corner. Things will get better, governments will get smaller and precious metals and barter will become the economic law of the land. Fishhooks, bullets bicycles and knives will be more important than oil or even electric vehicles. Our lakes and rivers will clear up while deer, fish and turkey will become a big part of our diet. Plastics will disappear along with the polluting factories that produce them. Anybody who can’t live on 5 acres probably doesn’t deserve to live. Most important of all other reasons to stay here, we’re one of the few countries who have to room to expand. You will either ‘cut it’ or fail to survive. As Old Hank Junior said it, ” I can skin a deer, I can set a trot line and a country boy can survive.”

  • EddieW

    When we the people are declared “terrorists” if we are against socilaism or global goverance, also DHS said if we are against abortion, for the right to bear arms we are terrorists…The problem is that WHEN we become a Police State, and it IS coming, we most likely willbe rounded up and killed!! Therefore, the MUST take our guns away from us as, you cannot enslave an armed populace! Once they disarm us, I believe that millions will be killed, as happeened in many other countries that became disarmed!

  • http://www.votealtion.com oldhobe

    The best way to turn America around is listening to our Founding Fathers advice. Do not allow political parties. We must find a way to eliminate the politicians who; while feeling they are serving us, really serve their party, the party’s financial supporters and their carrier. We need a citizen’s choice on the ballot to oppose those chosen by the parties. My website is old just as I am and I have lost the ability to revise it. However I hope to soon take a class on how to update it soon. If you can do it and want to help in the cause please go on my website http://www.votealution.com and send me an email. Or you could come on my talkshoe show “VOTE-A-SOLUTION” most Thursdays at 8pm NY time and we can discuss it there. http://www.talkshoe.com/tc/89861

    oldhobe a ww-II vet.

  • Jane

    Why all the sky-daddy talk? You do realize that this concept is a pathetic joke designed by others to own and control you…Right? What does that have to do with human freedom and physical reality?
    The political/central banker terrorists have consolidated their power into their new world order. There is no place on Earth to escape these terrorists and you will never be able to stop them. Get use to it.

    • Adele

      I can’t take that much optimism! If you feel that way you might as well give yourself up to the nearest terrorist and get it over with!

  • James

    Someone above was blaming conservatives for all of the problems in the USA. I don’t know what I am. Right, Left, Conservative…. Question: Would I be a conservative because I have gotten my electric bill down to $7.90 a month? Too many people will not fight to turn this nation around. They would rather have someone else go out there and fight and die then to do it themselves. Something bigger then 9/11 here on US soil is going to shock the nation and world to bow to those that want to make that total takeover. I can’t leave now, being too old, too broke, alone now and I don’t speak another language. Maybe ten years ago I might have tried, but I didn’t know these things until just a few years ago. One thing I do know. When the SHTF and that evil military police come to take you away, I am hoping to have the courage to say, “NO”, pick up my rifle and point it and shoot. I read about people in countries after the second war ended, that were German’s, and many of them committed suicide rather then be murdered by out of control people bent on continuing the madness that happened in that time. We all here have read about FEMA camps, and those are real. So why allow for yourself to be taken someplace you would not want to be? I have to stay and fight, if that will be possible at all to do. You gotta be ready for that coming day. It is near. God bless, and I hope to meet all of you on the other side after all of this in finished.

  • Phillip

    Moving to another country will NOT help, don’t you realise that when the derivatives market totally collapses will affect the entire global markets?
    I read some posts from poeople who are thinking about moving to New Zealand? well I’m a Kiwi living in the USA & I plan on standing up, because if I make a stand here it’ll affect New Zealand aswell as other countries.

  • Phillip

    Just another important p[oint about those thinking of moving to New Zealand.
    Their immigration laws are very very strict, unless you’re a professional an are willing to part with $20K to sit the citizenship exam.

  • http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com chris1

    THe vast majority will return w/tails between their legs and forget to post it.
    Get in the biz. of helping others think they are moving offshore, or take their money when they first arrive.
    Ive seen it in Costa Rica, Thailand , Columbia.
    Go ahead leave America. DONT COME BACK.

  • STEVE MAWSON

    NO NO NO. Stay put please the lot of you. WE CITIZENS OF OTHER COUNTRIES don’t want you. Whether it’s AFRICA, EUROPE, ASIA OR LATIN AMERICA, we have seen the effect that exportation of American “culture”, consumerism, lifestyle, attitudes, zenophobia, fattness, food quality (sic), inane comedy, zelot like behaviour, greed, selfishness, mono-language-ability, poor education, religious fervour, fear mongering, gun toting stupidity, ambulance chasing lawyers, lying politicians, etc etc and we DO NOT WANT YOU LOT HERE. Stay there and fix your own problems and leave us to fix ours.

    • Adele

      Well it’s nice to know how foreigners feel about America! It is definitely something for us Americans to remember when those countries ask for foreign aid. I won’t consider giving money to any foreign charities either because Steve Mawson has everything under control. Just think of all the money America will save! You fix your own problems buddy! You just DO THAT and good luck! You will need it!

  • david

    I can tell you when you fall just pick yourself up dust yourself off and go on i have been in the gutter many time and always come back to fight again why go to another country its prob just as bad there i will stand and fight is there anyone who will stand with me?

  • Steve

    Leave? No need….another country is being brought to us: Mexico. Don’t believe me? Take a trip around California (be sure to bring your Spanglish dictionary…all 150 words, including verbs).

  • John Adams

    Lest we forget: “Character is forged in the fires of adversity”, and “When the going gets tough, the tough stick around to fight for what’s theirs”.

    I don’t know about you, but I believe that this country is still worth fighting for. Who’s with me and godsofold?

    AMERICA: LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT.

  • Greta Berlin

    I left the US seven years ago when Bush was reelected. I sold everything I had and moved to France, and I don’t regret it one bit. Yes, I am struggling to learn French and ‘yes’ it was a bit of a culture shock, but the French have been wonderful (in spite of what you hear). The lifestyle is excellent and the ability to travel throughout Europe is fantastic.

    I would like to say that I still pay taxes in the U.S., and I still vote. There are millions of expats who do the same thing, and I’m not going to give up those two connections to the U.S. However, I miss nothing, certainly not the horror of watching the country I love fall apart at the seams. I’ve put my time in. I’ve paid my taxes. I’ve voted to make a difference. I’m done.

    I will spend my retirement years in Europe.

    • El Pollo de Oro

      Greta Berlin: Congratulations on escaping from La Republique Banane d’Amérique (formerly Les Etas Unis). No, the French are not the demons that those rotten neoKKK scoundrels say that they are. I’ve actually been to Paris, unlike the ignorant neoKKKons who mouth off about the place but don’t even own a passport—and my experience is that the French can be very helpful if you make an effort to speak French. They’re very proud of their language. So whereas an English speaker might get by in the Netherlands without being proficient in Dutch or in Sweden without speaking Swedish, anyone who wants to move to France should learn French and learn it well.

      As an American, I consider the French mes amis. They gave us the Statue of Liberty, they were our allies during WWII, and like patriot Ron Paul, they stood their ground when the neoKKKon thugs, despots and criminals of the Bush regime lied us into war in Iraq. Plus, France has the best health care system in tout le monde.

  • Phillip

    Wow… So many comments for one article. This shows the level of seriousness of thought going on on this issue…

    I am 50, and 20 years ago people would have laughed at the suggestion of permanent migration. Now, there are web sites devoted to the subject.

    For me, leaving wasn’t so much of an individual reason, just a growing pressure of issues which became more and more difficult to accept.

    I have young sons, I wanted them to grow up with far less violence, and far more opportunity. So in 2008 we moved – permanently – to Singapore. It was not easy; I spent a lot of nights second guessing myself; but it is working out slowly and steadily.

    I keep having to remind myself of the pictures of the Irish and Italian immigrants coming to Elis Isle. :)

    There are so so many places in this world where the Infrastructure is first rate; the health care is first rate; the local government reasonable.

    Singapore is a one party government. BUT overall they are cautious, and are very concerned about maintaining economic opportunities. It has been called a meritocracy, and mostly it is. You are expected to take care of yourself and your family. It is not your neighbor’s problem unless they chose to make it so.

    PR status? Not that difficult if you either have money or you have skills to sell in the marketplace. If you have neither, they are happy for you to be a tourist… :)

    Leaving is hard. There are a lot of mental and emotional adjustments… But you have to live in the world as it IS, not how you wish it was.

    So for the sake of my children’s future, I left. It was a good choice, and my family is better for it.

    For those of you who are on the fence on the subject, I suggest you set a date to make a decision. Either stay and make the best of it, or leave and make the best of it.

    Waffling back and forth just raises your cortisol levels…

    In all things, your mileage may vary.

    Good Luck, Phil

  • Frank

    To those who are thinking of New Zealand DON’T
    we lean towards socialism we believe that if you are out of work or sick, then society should help and if we have to pay higher taxes so be it. ****** of were full.

  • http://www.channelingmyself.com Todd | Channelingmyself

    Probably is best just to stay put and start sustainable communities with like minded people.

  • Jim

    I grew up in Britain and chose to leave it in my mid-20s. I spent a year in pre-revolutionary Iran and then moved to the States over 30 years ago. One thing I have learned is that countries change. This is not the same country it was 30 years ago, neither is Britai,n and Iran certainly is not. And the point of this is that if you are young now and move elsewhere then chances are that it will change considerably in your lifetime. Having said that, if I were younger I would consider leaving this country.

    But where to? I think the culture in most of Asia is so vastly different that most would have problems. Northern Europe is probably too expensive unless one is highly qualified and can earn a high income. South America has benefits but large parts of it appears to be as corrupt, if not more, than this country. Most of Africa is an unknown and I would think most of it is dangerous. So that leaves only Australia, NZ and Mediterranean Europe. As another person pointed out, NZ is considering banning growing your own food and if they are heading that way that is a bad sign. If you have a lot of money southern Europe might work. That leaves only Australia.

  • Pericles

    You have to realize that there are mental retards that think they own other people’s earnings simply because they out-vote them. These people are terrorists and they are the overwhelming majority anywhere and everywhere on earth. Democracy is pure evil and powerful…You will always be owned by others in a Democracy. You have to go somewhere where people don’t try and vote for themselves YOU as their slave. Good luck with that.

  • Timo44

    Its a great open world that God gave us. Its your life so do as you please if you find happyness in another country so be it. We only live once enjoy it as much as you can. We have a bunch of crack pots that running the world right now trying to steal your joy. Don’t let them if you think you want to go through the hell thats coming to America then do it if you think you want to try living some where else then do it. Its your life do as you please.

  • STEVE MAWSON

    Let there be a new generation of colonists: OK.

    But please don’t go and spread your venereal and other infectious diseases of the physical or mental type in other earth-bound countries.

    Bugger off and colonise Mars or a new moon of Pluto or the recently discovered Kepler-22b.

    There you can create a new society, forge new social orders, write new consitutions and try to improve what you’ve well and truly f’d up in your own back yard.

    Please leave the rest of the world to choose it’s own destiny, without imposing the now not-so-great American set of ideals and principals, on other countries which have had a longer history thus far, and have every chance of outlasting the USA for many more moons to come.

  • Dumb Americans

    You can’t just show up to another country and expect a job. For examples Americans can’t just decide to come and live in Canada, they would be illegal immigrants. Which is something that bothered you guys a lot. Unless you have some degree outside of arts stay in America and save the money on that airline ticket to check out a new country. Because guess what? No one wants you.

    • hadenough48

      And we don’t want parasite commies so what do we do now.

  • Diane

    Hong Kong…the country has no debt, easy to earn money if you speak English, lots of freedom (7/11 will open your alcoholic drinks and you can walk down the street drinking them), friendly people, police wear light blue and help you with directions, low crime, government subsidized ALL my electric bill for the past few months, government GAVE every permanent resident $6000 HK dollars! (you qualify after 7 years continuous living in the country to be a permanent resident). Excellent transportation in HK, you don’t need a car. Downside is high rent. Inflation is happening…40% increases in recent months on food and housing. I suggest you don’t think about ‘relocating’ permanently, just go on an adventure for a year. Put your things in storage and go see the world! If you want to stay longer, then you can! If you have a great experience, you may be doing your family a big favor. Some teaching jobs will fly you over and pay for housing and everything. Find a job online first…that is how I did it 10 years ago. Expand your horizons and love your life! We do create our reality and complaining will take you down! There is still a lot of opportunity and it is up to us to see the world as we want it to be. I also agree with the other poster about Japan. It is a great place but may not be good in some areas now because of the nuclear disaster. All the best to fellow adventurers.

  • mili

    If this is the case, the World has come to its End. Christians and Jews know clearly that Jesus
    is coming soon, to make things right, the way it was ment tobe.

  • Brian

    I moved to another country almost 30 years ago, the biggest problem after working here, was culture shock, I live now in Asia. Now after almost 30 years I get reverse culture shock when going back to America. I have not visited recently and cannot imagine what it must be like with Home Land Security, TSA at airports and many acts such as the Patriot Act taking away citizens rights. Maybe next will be ID’s to cross a state line, as the Canadian border already seems strange. Not sure I want to return to the states, as my life is here now.

  • Paul

    I’ve got 3 little kids (ages 5 & 6). They’re too young to understand, too young to stand up and be counted. They’re young enough that I would love to spare their innocents as long as possible. I believe it’s more difficult to learn our faith well enough to embrace it themselves when they’re being continually assaulted while trying to absorb the very basics. I’d love for them to gain a solid footing first.
    I love the country but I love my family more. I think about running. We’re a minimalist family that I believe could withstand the poverty. But employment is far from stable even where I am and the thought of trying to learn new languages and such is pretty overwhelming.
    Like others have already noted, I bet everywhere will get hit hard – just some harder than others. Think I’m just going to have to do what I can and hope The Big Guy Upstairs fills in the gap.

  • anon

    I still can’t believe none of you will put your money where you mouth is and come to Somalia. It’s like you’re all secretly big goverment liberals who want to be allowed to have sexual promiscuity before marraige and handouts from the Gummint like police and firemen.

    Freedom isn’t easy, but I think Somalia has the answer – everyone for themselves and no regulation or laws, except of course the Biblical laws against immorality and sin. Those colors don’t run!

    Now who has what it takes to try REAL freedom?

  • Tom

    Moved to Peru (Lima) in 2007. The middle class here has grown VERY rapidly these past 4 years. Lots of people driving new cars and lots of new apartment buildings and houses being constructed all over.

    The con : Unless you speak fluent Spanish and/or have friends or a fiancee or spouse who is native to Lima, then you will probably not fare well here.

  • Luxi

    Why the hell are we going to leave? We PROTEST by refusing to pay taxes! We refuse to pay into Social Security and we take out every damn dime in our banking accounts. Our last stand is our right to protest with monetary withdrawal. We need to start a nationwide IRS/SSA F.U. Protest. The greedy bastards might listen then. They sure as hell can’t jail all of us.

  • Pauline

    If you have been an activist as LONG as I have and continually see and HEAR the response while attempting to educate and wake up the dead Americans…..you would UNDERSTAND why NOT staying is anything but a act of a coward. Second, in Germany, history states that when those that fled to Austria before the fall, WERE the ONES who came back and rebuilt Germany. You cant fix it if your DEAD!. Think about it. And for you activists (awake) persons out there, you know what I speak of. Most Americans just WONT and DONT believe the evil that abounds. They believe their media, newspapers and television sets…..NO HOPE, as I see it. You CANT fight an ENEMY you dont acknowledge exists. At least when the bullets start flying, you wont get caught in the crossfire!
    signed. Someone who gave up!. expat NOW!

    • Adele

      Sounds good! It is not who is right, but who is left!If I have the opportunity to escape tyranny I am going to do it! If you ignore the warning signs and just keep staying you are asking for trouble! You can stay and hope for the best if you want, but that idea is looking more foolish everyday!

  • willy

    Hey,
    Just wait alittle longer,the usa will look like CUBA,Mexico City,,,,ect. also you might start by getting ALL of your 3rd world SHOT’s and meds here,there not there.Teach your kids how to pickpockets and everyone scrounge for your daily food and water…Oh what fun to be a X-american.You will need to hire a armed escort for your kids to drive to skool and go get food and basically survive….BS, no fun, been there.done that.Id rather be here than there….

  • John Baptist

    Ecuador. First world life style without the first world price tag. Only con is you must sacrafice freedom of expression, freedom of speech and constitutional rights because the country is heading fast into a dictatorship.

  • michael

    this is so sad THE AMERICAN DREAM is now over.I’m a south african staying in the USA and I know south africa do have allot of foreigners living in south africa and the south african housing is so private it’s fulling enclosed with a high wall and you can even put electric fencing on the wall and a nice size yard where you can do what ever you want to without neighbors seeing what you doing total private and free to do what you want to on your own property.

  • Highspeed
    • CatNap

      Thanks~

  • James

    I just tried to open an offshore bank account. After filling out pages of forms I was denied.

    I have excellent credit, no criminal record, and was attempting to open a Premier account with HSBC that requires $100K.

    What is going on? What does HSBC do with all of my information? My imagination is going wild. Am I now on a list of people trying to escape?

    The doors are shutting all around us. I cannot get out. The US is just one big prison.

    There are not enough people left with the guts to do anything about it. Trying to oppose the tyrants is like trying to stop a train by standing on the tracks.

  • Hays50

    I recently have been invited to the Philippines to help in the churches there. For approx. 8 months now I have been speaking to friends there about staying permanently. For me this might be the correct move.

    I have a definite purpose there, and for me it is not running away from the USA. It is the fact that I have a calling to that nation and i feel strongly that after the middle of 2012 it may be impossible to return. So why not just stay there.

    I have been there before and already know what the culture is, food staples, laws, etc…. And doing with far less than most Americans is something I fully expect and am already used to after being there (Philippines) already.

    For any who believes in prayer, then pray and seek God’s favor and protection. Those who do not, then when things get tough seek out Christians who live the example of Christ truly. This is the best way to survive the coming years.

  • yakeka

    It is very hard to live in another country, the cultural and lenguage issue is very difficult to solve (I have done it my self for 5 years). I’m not from the United States and I think the ecconomic collaps will reache the whole world. You have to find a place an a way of living that will help you to survive in your own country (at least you have family or very good friends in the country of your choice). A place outside of the cities where a lot of goods are produce in a close area, may be get a house with a small garden where you could produce some basic things yourself. A basic (old fashion) way of getting water, heating, etc. And get use (learn) to cook your own food, to repair your own things, etc. Ask your grandparents how they use to live. Learn how to live a simple live.

  • Henchman24

    Relocate in the USA. If you are such a coward that you flee when your nation is being attacked, then leave. The rest of us will restore freedom. But you are not welcome back afterward.

  • boeing engineer

    If you’re still reading this, take a look at a voice with experience: http://www.naturalnews.com/034404_preppers_collapse_bugging_out.html

  • Terry

    While I do not like the odds, I will stay and fight. Though the U.S. Constitution is being rapidly shredded via (clearly) unconstitutional laws, we still have a chance.

    Realize what staying puts you up against. Reading the journals of those who lived in Germany during the 1930’s will give you a glimpse of the magnitude, and perhaps folly, of the task. I would suggest starting with “Defying Hitler,” by Sebastian Haffner, an unfinished work ending in 1933; also, “They Thought They Were Free, The Germans 1933 – 1945,” by Milton Mayer. You may safely ignore any thoughts of WWII while reading these works, as this time there will be no white knights.

    We will be up against the most powerful military machine in the history of the world, backed up by ruthless police (…make that “law enforcement”) departments locally.

    The U.S. government is on the verge of enacting legislation enabling them to: 1) shut down the “free press” of the Internet, 2) arrest and detain American citizens, in America, without warrant, without showing cause, without trial, and transport such citizens to foreign bases. This legislation is days away from passage. I guaranty that it will pass and be signed into law by President Obama. If you hold some hope that the U.S. Supreme Court will find these laws unconstitutional, I would refer you to the recent “Citizens United” decision …among others.

    As I first mentioned, there is still hope. Even though the general population of America seems oblivious to the destruction of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights, at some point they will awaken. As Churchill put it, ““We can always count on the Americans to do the right thing, after they have exhausted all the other possibilities.” Now is the time to stop the erosion of freedom, but it will not be accomplished now, as Americans do not realize – or refuse to believe – what is happening to them.

    The battle to regain our freedom will be bloody. It will pit family against family, friend against friend. America’s external enemies may attempt to take advantage of the turmoil, and may succeed. The odds of winning look poor to me at this time, but I consider a life of freedom worth the risk.

    As I see it, the immediate tasks are to: 1) rapidly develop a network of friends and family, with communication not dependent on the Internet; 2) gain a knowledge of exactly what a Fascist is, how a Fascist state operates, and how to defeat if from within; 3) as much as possible, educate your family, friends, and co-workers.

    We don’t know how much time we have. Judging from the speed at which tyrannical and unconstitutional law is being fomented, we may have less than any us believe we have. I am assuming that a massive economic crash will be the “kick off” point. My best guess is that this Christmas will look quite different from those to come.

    May God bless all who stay, and those who feel they must leave.

  • kyrie

    For those who would, read the second chapter of Habakkuk and see who is a dead-ringer for the picture.

    Babylon will burn just like it says in the good book. Like Lot, like Abram/Abraham, like Moses, et al. One foot in front of the other. Flee. You’ve been told. Exodus II.

  • kyrie

    Just for those who believe the Prophets and the Neveím (“minor prophets”) were writing of signs of kingdom come: a reading list.

    [Flee Babylon” said explicitly in the time of the second exodus/second coming/the appointed tme: Revelation 18:4
    Habakkuk 2:2-3
    Zechariah 2:7
    Isaiah 48:20 (48:14-22 (in context of the time when Jacob is redeemed)

    Expressly say that trouble will come out of the north countries (NATO anyone?) and to leave them in the context of the second exodus:
    Jeremiah 1:1-11
    Zechariah 2:6

    Expressly says that in the second exodus the daughter of Zion will come from Babylon:
    Micah 4:10
    Isaiah 48:14-22

    Expressly says that this plan against Babylon was formed ages ago:
    Isaiah 25:1
    Isaiah 30:33
    Zechariah 5:1-5 (Shinar is a Hebrew code name for Babylon)

    Describes an end to war and destruction of those who love it:
    Isaiah 2:4
    Jeremiah 7:5
    Isaiah 34:1-4
    Psalm 68:30
    Hosea 2:18
    Micah 3:5
    Zechariah 4:6
    Isaiah 9:5
    Matthew 26:52
    Isaiah 43:17

    Says that the sword of the king of Babylon comes around to him last:
    Jeremiah 25:26
    Jeremiah 27:7
    Habakkuk 2:16

    Describes king of Babylon (and “types/cohorts” as the terrorist and oppressor of the earth:
    Revelation 18:24
    Isaiah 14:13-17
    Isaiah 14:4-6
    Ezekiel chapter 32

    Describes Babylon (and cohorts) as the core of the world economic system, and the merchants of the world freaking out when she goes:
    Habakkuk 2: 5-8
    Revelation 18, entire chapter but particularly 18:9-18
    Ezekiel 27:29-36
    Isaiah 47, entire chapter, and notably verse 10, quotes her: “For you have said in your heart, ‘I am, and there is no one besides me.'”

    Describes the rejoicing of the whole earth while the terrorists are destroyed:
    Isaiah 14:4-7
    Jeremiah 50:34
    Ezekiel 30:32
    Ezekiel 35:14

    Says the King of Babylon will slay his own people and ruin his own country:
    Isaiah 14:20
    Zechariah 11:4-6
    (makes the leader a likeness of Judas too: Zechariah 11:12-16)

    Says the leader will desert his own people:
    Zechariah 11:15,16

    Describes the sheer horror of the end of Babylon:
    Revelation 17:16-18
    Revelation 18, entire chapter
    Habakkuk chapter 2
    Isaiah 47, entire chapter
    Jeremiah 50, entire chapter
    Isaiah 13, entire chapter
    Isaiah 21, entire chapter

    This is incomplete, perhaps a travesty. So why would I speak up? Because it is also written that the priests and prophets and pastors of Babylon would be liars one and all, of no counsel to their own people:
    Isaiah 28:7-13

    There is a long list of verses saying that the priesthood would be utterly corrupt, blind, and totally mislead their own people in Babylon before the second exodus if you look for it.

    May this serve some of you as a blessing.

  • Robert

    China, the peoples republic of. Let me tell you, I’ve been living here for years, and there is more freedom in Communist China than is in the USA Police State. I know that no one wants to hear that, but IT IS TRUE! I live a great high quality of life here.

  • tjisse

    The inevitable economic collapse will either be accompanied or followed by a very big war with resultant nuclear fall-out in the Northern Hemisphere. Staying there you are likely to be cooked slowly by nuclear fall-out. So much for staying and fighting!
    Zambia is an option to re-locate to as an English speaking peaceful country, sparsely populated free from GMO, steroids, colourants, hormones, chemtrails and pollution. The climate is mild and the people are friendly. The government here is not big brother but is ineffective and lethargic and when the crunch comes will be looking after themselves. Residential status in Zambia is quick There is some time yet, but how much?

  • http://www.soundclick.com/aleksandrsaltovskiy Alek

    I read all the posts and am in a big trouble of
    a future that we all face now.
    I’m not American and still believe that
    American folks will find a right way to go
    and will lead others behind them.

    You were the first and should stay the first!

  • David

    I think North Korea is the best country for America. Why not nuke the place now and move in tomorrow? What’s that, too gutless, can’t win wars anymore?

    Drug-addicted, obese and stupid. Americans are screwed.

  • krystal

    Well. To those who fight…good for you. I wonder what will be left to fight over? Not saying you’re wrong to feel like you do…hell, if I was old or sick I would stay too. For those who want to save the country…wtf what country? The government?? The government is already messed up and missing in parts?? Who’s going to fix it along with you? What will you make it to be. I laugh at that. The government is just another powerhouse. You’ll just be replacing one selfish powerhouse with another. Ha!” America has a pulse…it’s human and we must save it…” America is a piece of land. America is a piece of land that if you don’t own outright isn’t your land to call yours at all. Being patriotic and helping out your fellow man is an honorable thing and I commend those who fight for that cause however, you can fight while still taking care of you and yours outside of the country. You cannot fight being concerned about what to eat the next day or where to sleep…not unless you have survival skills and can live off the land for years at a time. There is such a thing to be patriotic and logical ie…surviving! To those who have thought about leaving but then said, “well the economic collapse will affect everything else…” don’t be ridiculious. There are other currencies therefore there are other governments who sustain those other economies. The only things that will be affected is import/export and stocks. Most things will become regional. EU and US don’t want you to know that other countries can survive because they still want to have buying power in those markets. More so America than EU.Those who want to leave, do your homework before you go and pay no mind to those who badmouth you leaving. You’re thinking with your head. You understand there is no real quality of life here and you packed up and left. You understood that you can pay your debts easier than back home and are racking in some serious amount of cash while paying these debts off. You also understood that there’s a life to be lived and lived to the fullest and make more apologies for it. To those that have left, I bet now you thank the day that you did, because more and more articles like this you see and more and more time you think, “man….that could have been me. living back home…not knowing what to do.” Silly is the man who wants to stick up for the government when the government just recently passed a law taking away his rights. http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112s1867es/pdf/BILLS-112s1867es.pdf

    S.1867 bill stupid. Smart is the man who thinks for himself and his family. Don’t belive the hype people. If you are suffering, cannot find work, cannot survive in America..along with family, do yourself a favor and leave. Hell the debt problem cannot fix itself without people working and making decent wages and if that’s outside of the country so be it. Do your homework if you want to leave. Be smart about it. The economic collapse is not the rapture..if you are rolling in the money or are self sustaining you do not need to give up house and home. Don’t be stupid. This is strictly for those who have a problem with getting established in America or are already poor and cannot survive in America for much longer. Move for quality of life. If you like the life that you have…don’t move. If you want to stay. Awesome. I commend your efforts to save the country…..while I’m still here in S. Korea.

  • John

    I truly believe the next war will be inside the USA. We watch other countrie s take to their streets to finally drive out a government that is not working. I feel that is going to happen here when the unemployment rate gets so low and people have lost all their assets. They will take to the streets and form a union to take over Washington, D.C. This is why they are trying to take our guns away now because they know it is coming.

  • Adele

    I think everyone should try to survive and that is what the move from America is all about. The question is not that the other countries are much better, but if mass killings are in the near future of America you would be a FOOL to stay if you can perceive it coming and have a chance to get out! Yes, the terrorists can get you other places too, but the point is it may take them years longer to reach you in the new country. America is number one on their hit list!

    Canada is probably my best option. I have relatives who live there and I speak some French. America was a VERY GREAT country, but that is past now. It is difficult to accept, but we will have to in time. My advice is to start looking for another country now. You may not make the actual move for a few years at least until after the 2012 election. But we need to be ready.

    You can stay and fight to your last gasp if you wish, but if it is possible to escape a horrific death or at least put it off for some years I think you should do so by all means. Who cares about the economic collapse it is the mass killings that I am escaping from. Don’t be a victim and don’t be an unfortunate spectator, leave your road open for retreat.

    “Those who run away will live to fight another day!”

  • JamesAt17

    I know that I will not be leaving any time soon. So that means I have to stay and do what I will have to do when they come to my door. Of course I will be seeing things happen before they get to my door, and I hope that I have summed up the courage to pick up that rifle and take one or two of those bastards out before I have to leave this planet. Not easy to say. Something big and terrible is coming to American soil and it is not the fault of the general public. It is planned long in advance for this nation to be that one that when the SHTF, the rest of the world will just bow to those that want to control it all. No, you won’t be safe in whatever country you have fled to. They have already got plans for you also. No one is going to be immune. You might be able to live well for the time being, but that will pale in comparison to the hell you will have to endure from the hell unleashed on the world to bring it under the control of those that are truly devils. Maybe it is a better thing to be here in the US when the SHTF so that you can be the first ones out of here. Try living in a world worst then what happened to those cities in Europe during WW2. The Devil is real, alive and has plans for everyone, even those that call themselves ‘elite’s’. He could care less if you worship him or not. He wants company in his eternal hellfire, and you demon elite’s are going to be screaming next to him.

  • george

    I am not going any where,I will fight here in america like my forefathers did if i die i die but i will not run.

  • mike

    If you look at progression of the U.S. right back from the industrial age I think that anyone would have to come to the conclusion that the so called American value and American exceptionalism has always been a scurge on this planet. Capitalism is all about greed. And this social model that the U.S. would like to see for the rest of the world would tear the rest of the worlds societies apart.

    The land of the free and home of the brave is actually more of a school yard that allows all the kids to do whatever they want while the rest of the world has structure to their society.

    The U.S. shuns the idea of communism and socialism directed from a government and instead puts it in the hands of corporations who most of the time are accountable only to themselves. But in the end it’s all the same thing. Americans spend most of their lives living under a dictatorship at work and the time they spend out of the work place has been transformed into a land of surfs amoung kings.

    Everyone seems to fear the idea of Big Brother of the government while ignoring the Big Brother of business which is all around us every day in the form of corporate control. The media that feeds us information is there to control our ideas, our opinions, our shopping preferences, every aspect of our lives.

    Americans are hated around the world and with good reason. We are truly the barbarians. And I hate that about this country.

    I wish more than anything that there were more options to get out. I have no desire to spend the rest of my life fighting for change because the very model that this country is based on is unchangable.

    Which country is better? I dont know but I keep looking and hoping that this country we call the United States can not be the “best country in the world” – otherwise I would have to say that mankind has a very very very long way to go.

  • angelfood

    The chipping of the right hand under the Obama Administration will take effect on the American people starting as early as March 2013. If you do not take this chip in your right hand, you will not be able to receive anything from the government including social security, disability and the list goes on. We will not be able to leave the US to move to another country. We must do it now or suffer. I just read this on one of the websites. Look on You tube about concentration camps in America and chipping. You will be shocked. Read about FEMA too on you tube. Get out of the US now or else it will get us all.

  • Peter Catello

    My country is my country. I was born here; raised here; and work here. In life thoose who leave a promblem never get it fixed. Look at our history, when we went into the great depression did anyone leave? Ya of course however those who stayed were able to be here when the economy boosted up. I know America is slowly going down but so is the rest of the world. If you truely bealive in those stars and stripes and if you are a American then you will stay here through good and bad. God bless America

  • bajacalla

    angelfood, you are nuts. there is no “chipping” going on, nor will there be, regardless of what those websites you read say. but then, maybe you should get the hell out of Dodge now, so sane people won’t have to deal with that **********. maybe Afghanistan. or Somalia.

  • Rasmus

    If Americans do decide to leave their country my advise is to move to northern Europe! As an example the country Finland is the least corrupted country in the world and is number 2 in education which means it provides a great future for your children.
    The police is always available and Finland does have free speech maybe even more free than in America considering all the censorship. Health care is practically free (10Euros/day in hospital including all treatment) and so is all education.
    The crime rate is much lower than what it is in U.S.A and it’s in other terms also a very safe place to live.
    Sweden and Norway are also great countries to live in.

  • Freemason

    Leaving this country does not make you a coward, but saying you’re proud of it should raise some eye brows. How many wars are we in? Why are we in these wars? America has helped turn much of the world into a war zone, and that is something I am not proud of. God did not give us this nation, millions were murdered for it. I am not a proud American right now.

  • john garcia

    I am a foreigner living in Usa, you AMericans stop complaining this is ome of the best country in the world!!!!

  • Frank debois

    OK… People read carefully! I am a foreigner in his 40’s living in USA after years in italy, venezuela, brazil, japan, germany and costa rica. my job alowed me to live in many countries…. at the end I choose USA… I am happy here… Why?????? you do not feel a foreiger here, prizes are cheap and salaries are high! I understand that some people are not as happy as thy were before in Usa… but the only big problem of this country is that there is not a medical or health care system with peoplewithout insurance…. ( hope Obama sedond period will change this…) you Americsns complain because you do not understand all facilities that you get granted, like Venezuelans feel gasoline is cheap, or nordic countries and japanese feel health care is free. in most developing countries taxes are very high… yes you get beneficts, but you cwnnot live like in USA… in developing countries, unless you have money, forget it!!! therefore if you got money, move…. if not stay here unless you want and adventure!!!! In most countries food (except friut and veggies in developing countries) are more expensives than in USA! how about housing? Usa has the cheapest prizes in comprison with your salary…. Yes you can get a luxory condo for 800 dollars in pakistan or Nicaragua, but How much you make per month? maybe half of that!,,, guys, before you BS other blogers, just research and understand that few countires allow you the same stanfpdard of life we got in USA. If you feel leaving USA id because you do notunderstand the challenges of Japan, the criminality in Latin America, the high cost of housing in most of the cities in the world thay are higuer than here… do you realize how much cost a nice house in a developing country capital? do not speak about western europe! common!!! research in internet and you will be surprise how with the exceptions of NY, Boston LA and SF houses in America are cheap! food is cheap, services and taxes are fair… but our salaries are among the best! Researxh and stop speaking BS!!!! I am a foreigner, but… God Bless America!!!!!

  • Milton

    Hello to All,

    I just want to say that I believe all Americans should stand up for their country in good and bad times. The US is a great country with great people.
    I had the chance to visit the US three times and loved it.

    I have so many family living over there and most are US citzens.
    I believe in America and I would encourage all of you to do the same.
    Every nation have pros and cons, so we need to embrace both sides.

    I love The USA and wish nothing but great things for its people.

    God bless America.

    Peace & love to ALL.

  • Chris

    I’ll weigh into this. As it’s a decision that I am also looking at.

    I have a master’s and I am a vet. I am single, 47, with no job, no immediate prospects, no health insurance. In America this is par for the course.

    My feeling on moving is this. Yes I could move across country to a place that rents for less, but no guarantee that i will find a job or be able to support myself on art making.

    There are as you all know, no guarantees in life, regardless of where you live, however….

    We as American’s already know what it is to live here. Our preconceived ideas have been tainted by years of economic downturn. When you go to a new place, you have to accept that it is both an adventure and a challenge, but no less of a challenge than living here.

    As I have no roots, no family responsibilities, and 35k in student debt as my only debt. Seems to me, I could do some good in a place that would actually value my training and expertise. In the U.S. we are so inundated with been there done that, that the competition for what few jobs there are, makes it an employer’s market.

    If I am going to starve to death, at least let me do it in a place where I am looking forward, instead of lamenting backward….

    • Chris

      Chris, hi, my name is Chris also. I just read your post from a year ago on this site ( the one where everybody is contemplating the good and bad of leaving the country). I am 46 and sort of semi-retired. I operated and sold my roofing company of 23 years just six months ago. I have no wife or kids, and therefore no ties to this country and could relocate fairly easily if the country of my choice accepts my application. Anyways,. I am doing the research thing and am very seriously considering bailing the U.S. I was wondering what you have done since you wrote your blog, and do you have any advice?

  • white guy

    Hi Everyone. I have been reading these posts all morning and it is really interesting what your all saying.

    I am a Canadian living in Belize Central America for 6 years now. I came as a volunteer but I want to leave because there is no helping these god dam indian chugs. The men can not stop drinking and the girls keep getting pregnant. Its just stupid. I have seen a drastic change in the economy here in the past years because this country depends on Tourists from the states as a primary income.

    Crime rate: Every little while there is a shooting in town. Lots of other crime.

    Racism: I love the older belizians very much and their culture is very warm and loving. The younger generation here are a different story though. There is a lot of hatred for the wite man. I do not have business dealings with them any more. They dont educate kids at school that white people died freeing slaves. Also when they see you as a gringo they think dollar bills and everyone is super friendly untel they find out that your a volunteer and have nothing. Its just stupid. Also parents are always trying to push their daughters onto me. The Latinas are beautiful and seductive but can never be trusted. They will dump your ass the second they have a better deal elsewhere. Also rings here mean nothing. Another thing is that weed is smoked by basically everyone here and it is funny at first but after years and years it gets really stupid and depressing to see. How could you spend your whole life without any goals and just be high all the time. Thats not cool and it gets annoying.

    As far as scenery goes it is beautiful here but to hot in the dry season. (april,may) It is still kinda flat here- not really high mountains like in honduras or guatemala. In the tropics the weather is always nice and cool in the mountains so i would like to move from here and find a better place some place in the mountains. – Maybe Costa Rica or Chile or something.

    I want to say there is a measure of freedom in a country with a totally messed up government. They cant really do anything to the people cus their just too disorganised. Also the boarders of central america are not “fenced” If i wanted to i could criss cross this whole cental america bitch without ever being caught. it would be easy. and lets not forget i can walk down the street with a beer in my hand and buy rum at any corner store – you cant put a price on that.

    I can say from experience to forget about canada. I left that miserable shit hole for a better life. Do you really want to give half of everything you make to the government? You Do? Then canada will welcome you with open arms. COME TO CANADA AND BECOME A GOOD LITTLE TAX PAYING ROBOT AND BE HAPPY ABOUT IT BECAUSE YOU COULD BE STARVING IN AFRICA!!! Do you think finding a job will be easy? HA – YOUR A JOKE MAN! There are so many guys coming from India and other messed up countries that there is nothing left for Canadians!!!

    So long story short:
    -Cross off Canada
    -Cross off Belize
    -Cross off Equidor – They have a MAJOR petroleum pollution problem that has affected the drinking watertable of that country.
    -Cross off Argentina – that country blows because i talked to a guy from there while still in canada and he told me that is why he left. (by the way canada deported him a while later cus he was not paying his taxes)
    -Cross off basically all of the Pacific islands cus all the women their look like fucked up monkeys.
    -Cross off Asia – even though the asian women are hot – your poor ass does not have a chance
    -Cross off Basically all of Africa because its pretty much just a total shithole
    -That leaves us with what? Oh Europe. Well that is interesting. Denmark seems to have that whole place by the balls. They never joined the euro and for good reason. Keep buying lots and lots of Lego for your kids for Crist sake.
    -Well if you wanna be a sheep farmer there are like millions and millions of sheep in Australia. The people are really friendly too. Lets all move to Australia.

    The world is a ********** HOLE. My new residence is in a place in my imagination where everything is perfect. Also I have a few friends that i can actually call true friends and enjoy their company. The rest is just bull*********.

    – i hope this reply helps direct you to where ever the hell your trying to be. But just remember life is just a psychological journey. You cant take anything with you. Learn to be happy with less. Learn to love humanity and appreciate the little things in life. Thats the only paradise that exists and the rest that your searching for can not be found on earth. There will be no escape from the world economic crash that is befalling the entire world. But dont be afraid of it – welcome it. This terrible corrupt monetary/political system is ending. I see a new humanity after all of this is over.

    number one rule ?

    always stay cool !

    let this spiral galaxy swirl

    -c

  • SMITH

    Trillion Dollar Terror Exposed: Bush, Fed, and European Banks in $15 Trillion Fraud, All Documented
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    LORD JAMES OF BLACKHEATH, EXPOSING “TRILLION DOLLAR TERROR”
    Veterans Today
    By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor
    February 23, 2012
    Below is one of the strangest stories in financial history, one involving the US government lying about hundreds of thousands of tons of imaginary gold, illegal wire transfers and loans totalling $15 trillion.
    The video, from the House of Lords, is amazing in itself.
    What it doesn’t express is where the money came from though Lord James of Blackheath proves conclusively that an effort was made to say it came from a gold reserve in Brunei that, in fact, never existed.
    At surface, it appears we have stumbled upon the largest terrorist organization in the world and have found original documents tracing its funding to the Secretary of the Treasury and the Chairman of the Federal Reserve, two of the top financial officers in the US.
    A cursory review of terrorism statues in the US indicate that all transactions we will learn about are, in fact, to be assumed “terrorist money laundering” and that the only thing preventing the immediate arrest of hundreds of top financial officials is their political connections alone.

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    We will be able to offer an alternative, more insights, some hard intelligence and some very valuable background that we hope will offer insightful and realistic perspectives on this amazing story.
    On February 16, 2012, Lord James of Blackheath, member of Britain’s House of Lords presented evidence of an illegal scheme begun, he has thus discovered, in 2009.
    His documents including originals signed by Alan Greenspan and Timothy Geithner, show the illegal “off the books” transfer by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York of $15 trillion to, initially, HSBC (Hong Kong Shanghai Banking Corporation) London and then to the Bank of Scotland.
    The Bank of Scotland, under royal charter but restricted from involvement in any such transactions, simply “gave” the money to 20 European banks to use in a highly profitable scheme of co-trading “fresh cut” MTN’s (mid-term notes), generating trillions of dollars in profits over 3 years, none of which is shown on books, none has been taxed or has benefitted shareholders in those banks.
    As Blackheath outlines, the “deception and cover” for this transfer is the imaginary seizure of 750,000 tons of gold by agents of an unspoken entity (confirmed by the highest official sources as the Bush family and CIA), the listed “source” of the money.
    The government of Indonesia confirms this to be an utter fabrication and that the individual named had 700 tons of gold (about half of what Gaddafi was holding), not 750,000. It is noted that only 1,500 tons of gold have ever been traded in world history, as stated in the House of Lords.
    The issues that are initially brought out, issues inconsistent with international convention and starting the reader on what is only the surface discovery of two decades of crimes involving dozens of governments are as follows:
    • At no time has the Federal Reserve Bank of New York been authorized to hold the funds indicated
    • However, documents held by Lord Blackheath prove, conclusively that they did hold such funds and transfer them in a manner as to obscure their origin by using HSBC and the Bank of Scotland. This process, seemingly involving Alan Greenspan, Timothy Geithner and others would appear to be “money laundering” until some other explanation were found. None has been offered.
    • The “collateralization” of these funds, being 750,000 tons of gold, is proven to be fantasy. These funds then, in no way or manner, are related to Brunei. The presentation of this false transaction has been conclusively proven to be a “cover and deception” project such as an intelligence organization would use.
    • The transfer of these funds, all done without any authorizations, governmental or otherwise, particularly without agreements, payment of interest to the United States and without knowledge and approval of congress makes every aspect of this criminal in nature, a violation of innumerable statues.
    • The receipt and use of these funds by the 20 banks, two of which are Wall Street’s largest, and the use of these funds to generate profits while the funds themselves are held “off the books” and the profits hidden and laundered, themselves the earnings of funds received through criminal acts makes any and all involved part of a criminal enterprise.
    WHERE DID THE MONEY COME FROM
    There is no record of the Federal Reserve being authorized to “create” $15 trillion, equal to the entire national debt of the United States.
    There is, however, proof that funds that totalled, at one time, $27 trillion had been earned surreptitiously, disposed of as part of an intelligence operation against the Soviet Union and then later stolen with accusations made against George H. W. Bush as being the perpetrator.
    I have spoken with two individuals, one President Reagan’s intelligence coordinator and the other Chief Legal Cousel for the Central Intelligence Agency regarding these funds.
    Both have indicated that former President Bush had asked that these funds, totalling $27 trillion, be transferred to his control, that threats were made by Bush and that many involved in this operation suffered, issues including murder, illegal arrest, torture and detention among them.
    The individuals I am speaking of repreatedly met with President Bush over these funds, disputed his claim to them, and indicate that the majority of the funds are the property of the people of the United States.
    These funds are the mysterious “Wanta” funds, monies earned through years of currency trading aimed at collapsing the Soviet Union, a plan originated by President Ronald Reagan, then White House Intelligence Coordinator Lee Wanta and CIA Director William Casey. I have been told that, while this operation went forward under President Reagan, he had ordered that his successor, George H. W. Bush not be “briefed” out of “mistrust” for Bush.
    The funds themselves were earned through a scheme of trading Soviet roubles at enormous profit, a practice that eventually collapsed their government.
    A portion of the profits are subject to current litigation in the Federal Court of the Eastern District of Virginia, Judge Lee presiding. I have over 2,000 pages of documents on this case which shows a remainder of the original funds had been transferred to the Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond by the Bank of China, a party to the rouble trading practice, in 2006 and is claimed as totally owned by Ameritrust Corporation.
    That amount was $4.5 trillion of which we hold the SWIFT transfer documents.
    The other monies, which “likely” make up from the unspent portion of the missing $27 trillion, may well constitute all that is recoverable.
    Wanta, sole shareholder in Ameritrust, has offered his companies share, valued by the court now at $7.2 trillion, entirely to the American people as intended by President Reagan.
    The origin of the additional funds, issued by the Federal Reserve during the 80s and 90s, totalling nearly $8 trillion is unknown. High ranking sources within the US government indicate that this can only be either the remainder of funds Wanta raised or profits made from them after the majority of funds were stolen.
    Stories, some quite good actually, and personal interviews plus my own review of documents would place the theft or conversion of these funds initially with:
    • The Bush family
    • The “P2,” a Masonic lodge operating out of Switzerland involved in dozens of terror bombings tied to “Operation Gladio”
    • People around Wanta himself including the CIA
    What is lacking is a source for half of these funds. Technically, they don’t exist as there is no record of them being originated by nor transferred to the Federal Reserve Bank of New York though there are clear and discernible records of them being transferred out of that institution which never possessed them, according to their 2010 audit, in the first place.
    WANTA MONEY
    The transfer of Wanta funds, they can be assumed to have no other origin as they track into the Federal Reserve banking system while in escrow and are currently awaiting payment based on the orders of President Obama in accordance with findings of the federal court, is complicated by the Scottish transfer.
    Either Wanta has claim to the entire amount or it is the property of the US government. That no effort has been made to secure the funds or enforce criminal and civil remedies to recover enough money to pay the entire US national debt and more, as with earnings, we are nearing well over $30 trillion by this time, is an indication that a criminal conspiracy with enough influence to overrule our own government is involved. Whether that “conspiracy is, as noted, the Bush family, rouge sections of the CIA or a secret society such as P2, one we can prove or others we only suspect exist, is another story.
    The lack of action, here or as requested by Lord James in Britain, is, in itself, proof of both the seriousness and actuality of these events and the powers that can prevent any inquiry when irrefutable documents such as SWIFT transfers are available.
    In fact, Lord James has offered a wealth of documents which, when combined with the 2000 pages of Wanta “discovery” from the Federal Court, constitutes more than prima facia evidence of money laundering, conversion, terrorism or worse.
    Thus, the inaction in the face of overwheming and unquestioned proof is inexplicable.
    FLOOD OF WANTA LITIGATION AND INDICTMENTS COMING
    Currently, Wanta’s legal status is as technical conservator and owner of $7.2 trillion. However, as nearly half that is owed in taxes and the court settlement required Wanta to purchase $1 trillion in treasury bonds, the federal government should show positive interest other than President Obama and a few others.
    More are being obstructionist with the payout and exercise of $3 trillion in US debt reduction.
    This is, not only illegal but an indication of conspiracy.
    In addition, Russian Prime Minister Putin has communicated that he awaits the agreed upon 3% payment of Russian taxes, initially on the $7.2 trillion. Will Putin want to be paid on the entire $15 trillion plus interest and will Russia and/or the US have interest in why the Bank of Scotland transferred these funds to 20 European banks to trade in MTN’s (mid term notes) without any authorization or agreement, any participation or sharing of profits.
    As the funds, at least the half which the US government can claim ownership of, combined with the interest and earnings of, would quickly put the US “in the black,” again we look at, not just the press blackout on the Wanta litigation of the last 6 years but the press blackout on Lord James of Blackheath and the wealth of damning documentation he submitted to Parliament.
    Nothing has been done since, it is as though the proof submitted was so dangerous that those moments in time have been erased by a mysterious g-dlike power.
    What makes Wanta dangerous is that he has begun to distribute funds, some to government entities, counties and states, law enforcement agencies, giving them standing, not just in recovering funds intended for their use but in helping prosecute anyone involved in interfering with or attempting to divert funds.
    One grand jury is being formed to investigate diversion of Wanta funds even at this early date. It is likely that Wanta/Ameritrust funds earmarked for border protection could lead to the indictment of high ranking US officials. This is only the beginning.
    If the Royal Bank of Scotland doesn’t think it should be expecting the biggest chargeback in the history of the world, they are in for a shock.
    George W. Bush, The Neocons, & The Nazis: Ties That Bind

    8/21/04
    From the Streets of Little Beirut
    By Glen Yeadon
    Numerous writers have compared the Bush tactics with those used by Hitler, while others have documented the connection between Prescott Bush and the Nazis. However, there is much more to what has lead the Bush regime to transform the United Stated into a fascist police state. Few people are aware that it is the Republican Party which paid for Nazi broadcasts in the 1930s or that the GOP employed Nazis in election campaigns. Fewer are aware that Herbert Hoover conspired with top Nazi officials in Berlin to unseat Roosevelt in the 1940 election. Others have forgotten that George Bush senior as chairman of the Republican Party set up the ethnic heritage groups of the party as havens for former Nazis or that he employed known Nazi war criminals on his campaign staff.
    Moreover, as the New York Republican convention nears convening, it is increasingly obvious that protestors will be dealt with brutally. New weapons such as a sound blaster developed for the military are already in place in New York blurring the lines between the military and civilian affairs. Over fifty protestors are being tightly watch and tailed, their only crime is their opposition to Bush. The Republican governor has suggested that free speech is not a right but a privilege that can be revoke. Additionally there is a massive operation going on in Florida and other states to deny Blacks their right to vote. Finally the Bush administration is using terror alerts to frighten voters and to condition them to the possibility of a canceled election. These and similar tactics are no different than the tactics Hitler’s brown shirts employed.
    The fascist philosophy underlying the present Bush administration. (See accompanying diagram.) http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/bushadmin.html
    There are numerous connections between the Bush family and the Nazis. Moreover, the philosophy of the neocons within the Bush administration has already been connected with fascism. However, no article has attempted to present an overview of the fascist connections within the Bush administration. This article will begin to outline the fascist connections between the present Bush administration and the Nazis, using a two-prong approach. The philosophical roots of Bush and the neocons can be traced back to one of America’s notorious fascist.
    Several authors have already noted the link between senior members of the Bush administration and the fascist Leo Strauss. However, exploring further the philosophical roots of Bush administration, we see that this connection leads back to the robber barons and the empire of J.P Morgan. Due to the natural congeniality between the robber barons and the corporate state of fascism, most of America’s leading industrialists became America’s leading supporters of fascism. They were responsible for bringing Hitler to power and for building Hitler’s war machine.
    Strauss is nominally portrayed as a Jewish refugee from Nazi Germany. However, Strauss wasn’t the hapless Jewish refugee that he is purported to be. Strauss adopted Zionism at the age of 17. There is a close and sinister association between Zionism and the Nazis. Many of the Zionists supported Hitler and the Nazis. In fact, the Nazis concluded a transfer agreement with the Zionists. The Zionists were attempting to limit the choices available for Europe’s Jews to two choices: immigrate to Palestine or perish in the Holocaust.
    As a student, Strauss began studying the philosophers that provided the basis for fascism: Nietzsche, Heidegger, and Schmitt. He became a devoted lifelong follower of their philosophy. Strauss’s philosophy and views became increasingly fascist as his studies progressed. The hallmark of Strauss’s philosophy was his belief in totalitarian government. He rejected all principles of natural law and believed in keeping the masses ignorant and in general servitude. See the article in http://www.spiritone.com
    George W. Bush (Co-Conspirator of Murderer, Appointed President of The United States of America, (not legally elected) Acting as Commander and Chief of the Armed Forces of The United States of America, Obstruction of Justice, Mass Murderer, Involvement in Aid & Abet, Enabled & Co-conspired to allow massive Financial Fraud, and misconduct with prior knowledge to allow injury to such investors at who had no knowledge of the events to transpire. Obstruction of Justice. Aid & Abet, Enable to cause the deaths of Federal Agents/Civilians/Military—-Murder..)
    George Herbert Walker Bush (Co-Conspirator Ex CIA Director/Former US President, Co-conspirator to Terrorist event known as 9-11 Sept. 11, 2001, Co-conspirator to Terrorist Bombing of The Oklahoma City Federal Building April 19, 1995, Obstruction of Justice.) Conspired, manufactured Illegal Biological Chemical agents and sold to foreign enemies of The United States of America, aka Iraqgate-BNL Bank-Gulf War Syndrome. Violations of The Barkley Cole Indenture Act, Treason.
    Neil Bush (Co-Conspirator Former Director Silverado Savings & Loan, Narcotics trafficking, Securities Frauds, Obstruction of Justice)
    Jeb Bush (Co-Conspirator Governor Florida, Narcotics trafficking, Obstruction of Justice)
    Marvin Bush (Co-conspirator 9-11, Sept. 11, 2001 Houston Causality Insurance Company)
    James Baker (Co-conspirator to terrorist event known as 9-11 Sept. 11, 2001. Houston Causality Insurance Company)
    Carl Lindner (Co-Conspirator Bush Crime Family Money Launderer/Kingpin/Scamster “The Ohio Connection”)
    Gale Norton (Co-Conspirator US Secretary Of Interior/ Former Attorney General Colorado, Obstruction of Justice )
    Phillip D. Winn (Co Conspirator Convicted HUD Figure/Former Swiss Ambassador/ Illegal Pres. Pardon, MDC Director, Obstruction of Justice)
    Larry A. Mizel (Co Conspirator CEO MDC Holdings, Inc. Parent Co. of Silverado/Imperial Savings, Securities Fraud, Narcotics Money Laundering, Narcotics trafficking, Pension Funds Frauds)
    Norman Phillip Brownstein (Co-Conspirator Council to CIA Director George Bush Current Bush Crime Family Attorney, Former MDC Director, Obstruction of Justice.)
    Oliver North (Co-Conspirator Narcotics Trafficker, Iran/Contra Player, murderer.)
    Charles Keating (Co-Conspirator CEO Lincoln Savings/CIA Operative, Money Laundering to MDC Holdings and BCCI)
    Federico Pena (Co-Conspirator Former Mayor Denver, Co., Former Secretary Transportation/ Resigned Sec Energy while under indictment, recipient of Bribes to Obstruct Justice)
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    Jeb Bush linked to Florida’s 911 Terrorist Flght School
    http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2006/02/334029.html
    http://theintelhub.com/2012/02/23/trillion-dollar-terror-exposed-bush-fed-and-european-banks-in-15-trillion-fraud-all-documented/
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    REPUBLICAN ACCOMPLISHMENTS-
    o A Benevolent Dictatorship is the Best Form of Government. Everything in Secret and above the law needs to be imperative.– George H W Bush
    o Former U.S. President George H. W. Bush in 1988 said: New World Order is the consolidation of more power and money into tighter, fewer, righted, eliter, whiter, hands. NAZI Adolph Hitler first coined the phrase: New World Order.
    o Bush further stated in June 1992 to Sarah McClendon the Grandma of the Washington White House Press Corps when she asked Bush what will the people do if they ever find out the truth about Iraq-gate and Iran-Contra? George H W Bush Replied: Sarah, If the people were to ever find out what we have done, we would be chased down the streets and lynched.
    o Governments are only there for Us to Rob, Loot and Pillage.–President George H. W. Bush
    o The American People, The BUD People, The Broke Useless and Depressed. We are the MPBs, Money, Power and Brains. As long as we keep food on the BUDSTERS tables, a roof over their heads, a car in their driveway and gas in their gas tanks to go to and from work, We can keep the BUDSTERS at bay.–President George H. W. Bush See http://www.stewwebb.com
    • The Republicans corrupted the US Supreme Court by bribing Justice Scalia to declare George W. Bush the President. The bribe was channeled through Scalia’s sons.
    • The Republican Party corrupted IRS for not taxing the more than $27 Trillions that the Republicans under George HW Bush stole from the US Treasury,.$300 million George HW Bush received as kick back money from the Kuwaitis when George HW Bush restored the Kuwaiti royals to their palaces,.$240 billions George HW Bush got from Cantor Fitzgerald as a loan that he did not pay because all the employees and executives of Cantor Fitzgerald were killed in the 911 attack, the $6.7 Trillions the Republicans stole from the US Treasury under George W. Bush, the Trillions the Republicans stole from the Pentagon under George W. Bush right before 911, the Trillions worth of gold they stole from the Twin Towers in New York under George W. Bush, the billions they stole from Iraq under George W. Bush and the billions they stole from Saddam Hussein’s palaces under George W. Bush.
    • The Republican Party corrupted the FBI for making the FBI seal the evidence of the 911 attack. Why did they seal these evidences? Did they have something to hide?
    • The Republicans corrupted the MEDIA by feeding them wrong information about the existence of WMD in Iraq so they could declare war on Iraq. In fact the Republicans knew there were no WMD in Iraq that is why George W. Bush tried to smuggle WMD into Iraq!
    • The Republicans corrupted the military by using the military for their own evil purpose!
    • The Republicans corrupted the Legislative Branch by using it for their personal advantage to the detriment of the US e.g. exempting themselves from INSIDER TRADING, exempting themselves from SEXUAL HARRASMENT.
    • The Republicans under George W. Bush took $1.7 trillions from the Social Security Trust fund.
    • WORST ECONOMIC RECESSION IN US HISTORY
    • MILLIONS LOST THEIR JOBS,MILLIONS LOST THEIR HOMES,MILLIONS LOST THEIR LIFE SAVINGS
    • BANKING COLLAPSE WHICH REQUIRED A BAIL OUT TOTALLING $27 TRILLIONS! (which was supposed to be $700 Billion!)
    • Conflict of interest among directors of the Federal Reserve totaling $4 Trillion! See BlackListedNews.com
    • WANT TO CONTINUE GIVING SUBSIDIES TO OIL COMPANIES CAUSING AMERICANS TO PAY HIGHER PRICES ON GASOLINE AND FUELS. Check the gasoline prices in other countries and you would be surprise. Some pay as low as $0.15 per gallon of regular gasoline.
    • WANT TO ELMINATE SOCIAL SECURITY
    • WANT TO ELIMINATE THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION
    • STARTED TWO WARS – IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAIN WARS
    • UNDER RONALD REAGAN – ACCORDING TO A US CONGRESSMAN, THE LARGEST BANK HEIST IN HISTORY, THE COLLAPSE OF THE SAVINGS AND LOAN TO MAKE A FEW VERY RICH INCLUDING NEIL BUSH.
    • UNDER GEORGE HW BUSH – IRAQ GATE, IRAN CONTRA. HE FINANCED IRAQ TO CONQUER KUWAIT AND THEN HE PLAYED A GOOD COP ROLE. WHY? Remember what George HW Bush said to Sara Maclendon? If the people find out what they did, the Bush and company would be chased down the street and lynched?
    • UNDER GEORGE W BUSH – 911?, TRILLIONS OF SURPLUS FROM BILL CLINTON DISAPPEARED, TRILLIONS DISAPPEARED AT THE PENTAGON, LOTS OF GOLD DISAPPEARED AT THE TWIN TOWERS, THREE PLANE LOADS OF CASH DISAPPEARED, THE SADDAM HUSSSEIN MONEY TAKEN FROM HIS PALACES DISAPPEARED, STARTED TWO WARS! Visit: http://www.tomflocco.com, http://www.youtube.com look for 911
    George HW Bush borrowed $240 Billion from Cantor Fitzgerald and it was due on September 12, 2001. Guess what? during the 911 attack all the executives and employees of Cantor Fitzgerald were killed! Source: TomFlocco.com. HMM , what a way to steal! Did he pay taxes on this windfall? Visit http://www.youtube.com
    • They encouraged and supported the Nazi Party in Germany.
    • Grandfather of George W Bush and Jeb Bush financed Adolf Hitler to kill the Jews.
    • Ronald Reagan executed the biggest bank heist in history according to a US Congressman.
    • The Savings and Loan Collapse in the mid eighties under Reagan.
    o Visit http://www.spiritone.com
    ROMNEY DOES NOT TRUST AMERICA, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THE AMERICAN BANKS AND DOES NOT WANT TO CREATE JOBS FOR THE AMERICANS THAT IS WHY HE HIDES HIS HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLALRS IN FOREIGN BANKS.
    THINK ABOUT IT!

    • Jake

      Stewart Webb and Tom Flocco are lunatics that have been thoroughly discredited. Webb spent time in a mental institution and takes medication for his delusions, and Flocco…lol just read the titles of all of his work and you get the picture. No sale.

      I like Costa Rico and Thailand. I prefer Costa Rico because it is not too far from the US so you could get back easier if you needed; crossing the borders between there and the US would be less difficult than most, and you could feasibly sail back.

  • Sean Hall

    Portugal! or Bulgaria? Decisions i have been trying to make, if I was to really think about all the various threats that seem to be approaching, what are the threats, Nuclear, biological, natural disaster definitely a financial collapse, flooding, drought, or war, Niburu entering our solar system?
    I can’t make my mind up whether to cut and run or make some form of stand. I don’t know what the threats may add up to.
    So every country has it’s issues and nowhere is safe only less safe or safer than some depending on the threat.
    Right now I am deconstructing my old life and cutting free of the system as much as possible. I feel at the moment i need friends nearby, local knowledge, a deep understanding of the language to evade threats, somewhere to live away from large population and the necessary self suficient lifestyle needed to continue with or without government assistance.
    I feel in the short term the financial crisis will hit first followed by many other events that will finally bring about the change. Learn to live with less now and do what you can to protect yourself here where you have a better chance of survival. Who knows eventually owning land anywhere or property might be taken away from us so is it wise to invest all your funds that could be used for self sufficiency, or protection.
    We are all in the same boat whether we choose to see it or not, I think it is better to know your environment to survive in it. (more sense than money)

  • http://none firefly

    I am seriously thinking of Almalonga, Guatemala as a place to escape the coming collapse of the USA. Almalonga is a place of Christian revival, where God has done a miracle. The land was naturally arid, and very few crops grew. But, people turned from idolatry and turned to righteousness. God blessed this city with giant, enriched vegetables that are watered underground with steam (like in Genesis.) In a city like Almalonga, one can live with little money as food grows everywhere, even by the side of the road. I’m soon going to visit and hope to join USA missionaries in Almalonga. I hope to prepare a place for my married son, daughter-in-law and three grandchildren. I’m hoping to buy a house there. With the majority of the natives living as born-again Christians, I’m hoping to find Almalonga safer that the USA. I hope to find some Christian friends who will eventually be like family to me. If I remain in the USA, money in gold and silver will be difficult to use if the gold-exchange places are crooked and won’t give me what my gold is worth. I just sense a lot of danger coming to
    the USA in the near futute, mainly caused by our corrupt law-makers who have bankrupted tax-payers by accepting bribes from rich corporations / bankers/ oil companies. The super rich and the poor no longer pay taxes. The only ones supporting the USA are middle wage earners like me. This house of cards will soon fall, and our corrupt government leaders will turn their guns on us when protests began. If our leaders had no qualms or mercy in their hearts for the millions of innocents they killed
    in Vietnam, Iraq, Afganistan, Africa, Libya, Syria, what makes anyone think they will have mercy for poor Americans. These government leaders whose pockets are full of blood money,
    want the poor out of the way. That’s why they pass laws to approve genetically-modified vegetables and poisonous anti-virus shots.
    Their thinking is similar to Queen Elizabeth’s husband, Phillip, who made a public statement to the world: ” If I re-encarnate and come back to this world, I would like to come back as a killer virus to rid the world of poor people.”
    The Bible says that Babylonia is the nation who has shed the greatest amount of blood world-wide. Does anybody know of any other modern-day nation, besides England and its extension, the USA who have killed more people world-wide?England got rich on every poor nation’s resources: India, Africa, middle east, etc. The USA (just an extension of bloody England), got started by committing genecide on American Indians. It never stopped. It attacked just about every South American nation to steal their resources. The USA has attacked Vietnam without provocation and had no qualms about killing 2 million people there. The USA stole resources and oil, in the past of countries, such as: Iran (where it installed the Shah of Iran- USA dictator), Philliipines, Iraq (2 million dead), Afghanistan, Libya (presently stealing Libya’s oil) , and now it wants to destroy Syria, with Iran being their next target. In the Book of Revelations,God says this about Babylonia: “Get out of her, my people, so that you don’t partake in the plagues I’m sending her.” The USA has about 900 military bases all over the world becasue it is heavily involved in the devil’plan of “The New World Order,” where it hopes to rule the entire world and steal all resources.
    But, the USA is broke,and it won’t succeed in conquering other nations richer and stronger. It will only succeed in making American tax-payers miserable when the dollar dies, the banks close, the paychecks stop coming, the grocery stores close, and the American protests began. If the USA leaders have had no qualms about killing innocents in other nations, they won’t have any qualms about turning the guns on their own citizens. They already have Fema Death Camps and Fema Coffins ready for protesters in every state. I’m not buying a gun to protect myself against the USA government because I won’t win. Besides, I fear the Lord and I don’t want to kill anybody. As for me, the only solution I can see is to flee to a safer place.

  • Remember_Your_Roots

    So many comments about “stay and fight”…

    My ancestors came to the US from Holland, Scotland, Germany, and Ireland for two reasons: 1) economic reasons and 2) political repression (sound familiar?). By coming here they dramatically improved life for themselves, their loved ones, and future generations (now a group of people numbering into the hundreds). For that I’m eternally grateful. With the benefit of hindsight, to a person, any one of us in the family would tell them (if they were still living) they made the right decision and they should be proud. We would thank them for their courage to leave family, friends, positions, property, language and everything familiar in exchange for this. Yet some no doubt challenged this as unfaithful and cowardly.

    Ironically my earliest ancestors arrived here and in fact did stay and “fight” in the American Revolution, no doubt reflecting upon the fact they had just gone through this process and seemingly ran out of good places to go in this world (which decades later is the subject of our discussion).

    So here is my point. While stay and “fight” sounds noble, honorable, and courageous, in the most practical of terms it often ends up being the product of desperation (people who otherwise once had better things to do in life find themselves with no choices). This is something not the case at this moment, something which can be avoided, and something which should be avoided.

  • Holly Ramseyer

    Reading these posts that don’t answer a simple question about where else to leave crack me up. People have to put others down or start quoting the bible. Really??? Just because someone wants to move out of the country lets lecture them, tell them to move to North Korea, call them cowards, or my favorite about the founding fathers not running or being cowards. Ummm, the people that came over here and took the land from the Native Americans didn’t work with them, they kill them AFTER they fled Europe to come over here because they didn’t agree with everything going on where they came from. Now we have Americans who severely abuse the freedoms we have.

    If people (who you view are cowards) why not tell them another place to go (besides being an a$$ and naming places like North Korea). Just proves still how arrogant a lot of Americans are (the “we are better than any other country” mentality), you don’t want other people living here and you don’t want people leaving. Seriously, pick a side.

    I’ve thought about moving too but mainly for a different experience but I’ll probably get crap for saying that too since god forbid someone thinks about leaving the U.S.

  • Holly Ramseyer

    Reading these posts that don’t answer a simple question about where else to live, crack me up. People have to put others down or start quoting the bible. Really??? Just because someone wants to move out of the country let’s lecture them, tell them to move to North Korea, call them cowards, or my favorite about the founding fathers not running or being cowards. Ummm, the people that came over here and took the land from the Native Americans didn’t work with them, they kill them AFTER they fled Europe to come over here because they didn’t agree with everything going on where they came from. Now we have Americans who severely abuse the freedoms we have.

    If people (who you view are cowards) why not tell them another place to go (besides being an a$$ and naming places like North Korea). Just proves still how arrogant a lot of Americans are (the “we are better than any other country” mentality), you don’t want other people living here and you don’t want people leaving. Seriously, pick a side.

    I’ve thought about moving too but mainly for a different experience but I’ll probably get crap for saying that too since god forbid someone thinks about leaving the U.S.

  • nancy Alfred

    Well, today is the 25th of june and Jim asked me if we could be back together this morning. Of course I said yes. Thanks to you Esango priest , thanks to the spirits, thank you God. I cannot thank you enough Esango for bringing him back into my life. I didn’t think it was never gonna be possible possible after all i did to him, I had lost my hope and most of any little faith that I had to begin with, but thanks to you, I have my love and my life back. Thank you. God bless you many many times over for all the help you give to people, you have a beautiful gift to humanity, his email is esangopriest@gmail.com. contact him on relationship or life issues.

  • Gabriel Ero

    Well, to me;.Australia is the best country for American to relocate to and my reasons is that ? Because there’s jobs opportunity over there and they also have Large lands scale and they speak English as well .

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