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24 Reasons Why Millennials Are Screaming Mad About Our Unfair Economy

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Angry Woman - Public DomainDo you want to know why Millennials seem so angry?  We promised them that if they worked hard, stayed out of trouble and got good grades that they would be able to achieve the “American Dream”.  We told them not to worry about accumulating very high levels of student loan debt because there would be good jobs waiting for them at the end of the rainbow once they graduated.  Well, it turns out that we lied to them.  Nearly half of all Millennials are spending at least half of their paychecks to pay off debt, more than 30 percent of them are living with their parents because they can’t find decent jobs, and this year the homeownership rate for Millennials sunk to a brand new all-time low.  When you break U.S. adults down by age, our long-term economic decline has hit the Millennials the hardest by far.  And yet somehow we expect them to bear the burden of providing Medicare, Social Security and other social welfare benefits to the rest of us as we get older.  No wonder there is so much anger and frustration among our young people.  The following are 24 reasons why Millennials are screaming mad about our unfair economy…

#1 The current savings rate for Millennials is negative 2 percent.  Yes, you read that correctly.  Not only aren’t Millennials saving any money, they are actually spending a good bit more than they are earning every month.

#2 A survey conducted earlier this year found that 47 percent of all Millennials are using at least half of their paychecks to pay off debt.

#3 For U.S. households that are headed up by someone under the age of 40, average wealth is still about 30 percent below where it was back in 2007.

#4 In 2005, the homeownership rate for U.S. households headed up by someone under the age of 35 was approximately 43 percent.  Today, it is sitting at about 36 percent.

#5 One recent survey discovered that an astounding 31.1 percent of all U.S. adults in the 18 to 34-year-old age bracket are currently living with their parents.

#6 At this point, the top 0.1 percent of all Americans have about as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent of all Americans combined.  Needless to say, there aren’t very many Millennials in that top 0.1 percent.

#7 Since Barack Obama has been in the White House, close to 40 percent of all 27-year-olds have spent at least some time unemployed.

#8 Only about one out of every five 27-year-olds owns a home at this point, and an astounding 80 percent of all 27-year-olds are paying off debt.

#9 In 2013, the ratio of what men in the 18 to 29-year-old age bracket were earning compared to what the general population was earning reached an all-time low.

#10 Back in the year 2000, 80 percent of all men in their late twenties had a full-time job.  Today, only 65 percent do.

#11 In 2012, one study found that U.S. families that have a head of household that is under the age of 30 have a poverty rate of 37 percent.

#12 Another study released back in 2011 discovered that U.S. households led by someone 65 years of age or older are 47 times wealthier than U.S. households led by someone 35 years of age or younger.

#13 Half of all college graduates in America are still financially dependent on their parents when they are two years out of college.

#14 In 1994, less than half of all college graduates left school with student loan debt.  Today, it is over 70 percent.

#15 At this point, student loan debt has hit a grand total of 1.2 trillion dollars in the United States.  That number has grown by about 84 percent just since 2008.

#16 According to the Pew Research Center, nearly four out of every ten U.S. households that are led by someone under the age of 40 are currently paying off student loan debt.

#17 In 2008, approximately 29 million Americans were paying off student loan debt.  Today, that number has ballooned to 40 million.

#18 Since 2005, student loan debt burdens have absolutely exploded while salaries for young college graduates have actually declined

The problem developing is that earnings and debt aren’t moving in the same direction. From 2005 to 2012, average student loan debt has jumped 35%, adjusting for inflation, while the median salary has actually dropped by 2.2%.

#19 According to CNN, 260,000 Americans with a college or professional degree made at or below the federal minimum wage last year.

#20 Even after accounting for inflation, the cost of college tuition increased by 275 percent between 1970 and 2013.

#21 In the years to come, much of the burden of paying for Medicare for our aging population will fall on Millennials.  It is being projected that the number of Americans on Medicare will grow from 50.7 million in 2012 to 73.2 million in 2025.  In addition, it has been estimated that Medicare is facing unfunded liabilities of more than 38 trillion dollars over the next 75 years.  That comes to approximately $328,404 for every single household in the United States.

#22 In the years to come, much of the burden of paying for our exploding Medicaid system will fall on Millennials.  Today, more than 70 million Americans are on Medicaid, and it is being projected that Obamacare will add 16 million more Americans to the Medicaid rolls.

#23 In the years to come, much of the burden of paying for our massive Ponzi scheme known as Social Security will fall on Millennials.  Right now, there are more than 63 million Americans collecting Social Security benefits.  By 2035, that number is projected to soar to an astounding 91 million.  In 1945, there were 42 workers for every retiree receiving Social Security benefits.  Today, that number has fallen to 2.5 workers, and if you eliminate all government workers, that leaves only 1.6 private sector workers for every retiree receiving Social Security benefits.

#24 Our national debt is currently sitting at a grand total of $17,937,617,036,693.09.  It is on pace to roughly double during the Obama years, and Millennials are expected to service that debt for the rest of their lives.

Yes, there are certainly some Millennials that are flat broke because they are lazy and irresponsible.

But there are many others that have tried to do everything right and still find that they can’t get any breaks.  For example, Bloomberg recently shared the story of a young couple named Jason and Jessica Alinen…

The damage inflicted on U.S. households by the collapse of the housing market and recession wasn’t evenly distributed. Just ask Jason and Jessica Alinen.

The couple, who live near Seattle, declared bankruptcy in 2011 when the value of the house they then owned plunged to less than $200,000 from the $349,000 they paid for it four years earlier, just as the economic slump was about to start. Jason even stopped getting haircuts to save money.

“We thought we’d have a white picket fence, two kids, two dogs, and we’d have $100,000 in equity,” said Jason, 33, who does have two children. “It’s just really frustrating.”

Can you identify with them?

Most young Americans just want to work hard, buy a home and start a family.

But for millions of them, that dream might as well be a million miles away right now.

Unfortunately, most of them have absolutely no idea why this has happened.

Many of them end up blaming themselves.  Many of them think that they are not talented enough or that they didn’t work hard enough or that they don’t know the right people.

What they don’t know is that the truth is that decades of incredibly foolish decisions are starting to catch up with us in a major way, and they just happen to be caught in the crossfire.

Sadly, instead of becoming informed about what is happening to our country, a very large percentage of our young people are absolutely addicted to entertainment instead.

Below, I want to share with you a video that I recently came across.  You can find it on YouTube right here.  A student at Texas Tech University recently asked some of her classmates a series of questions.  When they were asked about Brad Pitt or Jersey Shore they knew the answers right away.  But when they were asked who won the Civil War or who the current Vice-President of the United States is, they deeply struggled.  I think that this video says a lot about where we are as a society today…

So what do you think about all of this?

Please feel free to add to the discussion by posting a comment below…

  • Erik Bergum

    No wonder our country is in such a mess. It just seems that many Americans, whether young or old, do not care about our economic conditions at all. After I graduated from college 5 years ago, I could not find a good job. Our secular media keeps telling us our economy is getting better, which is not true at all. There are some who just love to be lazy and do not want to work at all. However, when people find work, it appears many will have to work at low paying jobs. We sure are living in unstable time right now. Since we live in a fast-pace culture, part of the problem is that everything has to be done right away, right now. That also has become a more widespread problem as well. We are living in a time where people sure would love to frustrate, discourage, and often want to control others. Sad but true!!!!!

    • Jane the Plummer

      And what your saying is producing the following.
      I live in a beach area near Pensacola, Fl. Although the area is now a destitute wasteland, there is an uptick in lower priced homes. Why? Because these homes are purchased by one family, but in reality 3-4 families move in. So now the exsisting neighbors have to deal with everything that comes with the overcrowding. It is not illegal to have ‘visitors or ‘relatives over.
      In my neighborhood, someone converted a large house in multi- studios by hiding the entrances in the back. About 15 NEW cars/ trucks park there, it’s a mess.
      Rents in this area are astronomical. Lots of people priced out of the rental market. Also, I am seeing more and more young homeless.
      The elites are now running the poor out of Chicago. Developers there are taking over public housing. Rush actually said it was a good thing! On public radio!
      The day will come when discouraged, displaced people will be offered a place to live, food, medical… In a secured environment. A place of safety for their kids. They will jump at the chance….Checkmate, game over.

  • Firstgarden

    peace angel

    “IT is YOU that has infiltrated a place where you are not wanted with your madness and ridiculousness.

    I have told you to stop talking to me OR I will get you banned.

    Michael
    is my friend and he KNOWS my mannerisms, KNOWS my passion and KNOWS I
    ONLY rat out people he would BAN from his site and you are that person. In hundreds of posts and more than a years here I have ONLY asked him to ban ONE other troll who would not stop attacking me and that guy is BANNED from the site forever.

    IF you want me to I can ask Michael to get rid of you and I do not want to find 10 comments from you the next time I open my email

    OR I will email him and get rid of you.”

    Anyone with discernment can see what is happening here.
    I have only tried to appeal to your conscience regarding the way that you treat people.

    I will save you the trouble of having me banned. I am shutting down my account.

    You can now feel completely free to be the hurtful, loose cannon that you have been, with no one to object, unleashing cruel and vicious venom on others. It matters not how much you know, if you don’t have love for other people.

    You have been extremely hostile to me, rather than trying or attempting to talk things out in a civil way. No need to call me “snake” and the many other derogatory names, just because I mistook you for a liberal. Mistakes can happen. But crucifying fellow bloggers is uncalled for.

    And so, if this is your idea of a blog, and behavior like this is winked upon, then I really wouldn’t want to stay. So much anger, vitriol, and hatred.

    What’s so hard about being nice?

    Having said that, I do apologize to you, and to Jane, for any offense I may have caused. You are both valuable. I just care about people and hate to see a good website turn this hostile.
    That certainly was not my heart.
    God bless you.

    The words of the Great Apostle Paul – who had been to the third heaven.

    If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

    If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.

    And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love,
    it profits me nothing.

    Love is patient, love is kind..

    Love does not brag

    Is not arrogant,
    Does not act unbecomingly;

    It does not seek its own,
    Is not easily provoked.
    Love does not take into account a wrong suffered…

    But now faith, hope, love, abide these three;

    but the greatest of these is love.

    • Orange Jean

      You make some very good points, and have guts for speaking out about it!

      In the past month or so I’d been thinking how hostile “peace angel” has gotten, and felt her name was way off base… being neither peaceful nor angelic. I’d wondered if she was cracking up or something.

      • peace angel

        I really, really hate people who send me nasty messages as he has done often AND I hate even more people who gossip about each other.

        I have not spoken about anyone behind their backs since High School when my best friend made it against school rules to stop it. IT is called bullying and we got it stopped and to this day the rule of no gossiping is still in the High School my nieces and nephews graduated from.

        Read my comment to him if you care about WHY I have become more hostile as of late.

        It is true and the boys and girls in the Hood where I have been mentoring them for three years STILL think it fits.

        IT is easy to be angry on the internet with people and I have admitted the closer it gets to me expatriating the angrier I become to have to leave a nation that has been turned over to an EVIL force and to avoid spending my retirement in a concentration camp. I am angry that I have known this was coming long before there was an internet and YET Americans have done NOTHING to stop them.

        If you are wondering IF I am cracking up, why not ask me instead of gossiping and name calling behind my back?

      • Jane the Plummer

        Make good points about what? All Kindergarden manages to do is drive people away. And somehow you appear enlightened” by this lunatic? Don’t say much about your character if you are easily swayed.
        This blog needs passion and spirit in the form education and opinions. If someone appears overheated how about a “take a deep breath” response?
        We, as a nation, are reaching critical mass regarding our very existence. Can you comprehend that? And yet your focus appears to be very misguided and immature. Get a grip.

    • Ian Beattie

      Matthew 24:12

      “Because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will grow cold.”

    • peace angel

      See and again you are posting a whole message of hateful advice for me BUT not posting it TO ME.

      I am very angry that Americans are sleeping and I am angry I have to leave my home land to avoid spending my retirement in a concentration camp.

      HOW does that not make you angry?

      IT is ONLY when people accuse me of being crazy which has happened for four decades because of the KNOWLEDGE I put thousands of hours into acquiring and when I NEED to back up where I got my information. THAT is the ONLY time I bring up my background.

      And today with all that information in their laps Americans still do nothing but complain and argue about information at their fingertips they don’t want to research.

      I have given MUCH love to lots of people mostly other people’s kids. I won’t tell you how much I have done that is charitable or ONE on ONE instead of writing a check to a charity, because you DON’T want to hear about my background, so you again go behind my back to gossip about me and you have sent me tons of hateful messages—10 in one day last week before I told you to stop and you go to a NEW thread and again speak about me and I just accidentally see again what you are doing.

      Orange Jean is also gossiping instead of asking me directly IF I am angry or IF I am losing it or whatever.

      I hate back stabbing and have NEVER done it to anyone.

      • Orange Jean

        Where I come from, gossip is defined as talking maliciously about someone behind their back. Just because I made a comment to someone else doesn’t seem to me to be talking about someone behind their back. You obviously can read exactly what I said. And I put my name on the comments I made and I mention your name directly, so as far as I’m concerned that’s neither back stabbing, bullying, or gossip.

        You have posted many comments in the past few weeks about how much you hate this country. Personally, I find that offensive. You sound very angry when you say it, and I don’t see why I need to ask if you’re angry when you make hateful and angry sounding comments… it seems obvious to me.

        You also have made many comments about how you think anyone staying here is going to be locked up in a concentration camp and when anyone has asked you to supply proof of that you go off the wall.

        I don’t like confrontation, but as far as I can see you sound to me like you are losing it. I’m not asking you… I’m simply telling you that your messages sound like that to me. You don’t have to agree with me or like my opinions, but I really wish you’d stop all the hostile remarks (including any like the one you just posted).

        I think Michael has done a very good job of having a website that encourages mostly people to converse… even with those they disagree with. Most are respectful of others opinions, I will tell you directly… I don’t think you are.

        • Jane the Plummer

          “in the last month I have been thinking” ” i wondered if she were cracking up”, directed at Firstgarden referring to Peace Angel.
          You do realize that Firstgarden is a woman hater, right?

          • Jezebel Jane

            You are a diabolical liar.

            The spirit of Jezebel is all over you.

            Truly, you have given your soul over to evil.

    • Jane the Plummer

      Kindergarden. The best way to absolutely kill blog traffic is by spouting religion. Maybe you have had a breakdown of sorts since you are ranting and trying to get people banned. You needn’t respond as I won’t be back after this evening.
      Good luck with your Psychosis…

  • Sovereign money, along with the creation of state-owned banks for personal and small-business credit, could form the foundation of a solution of our economic problems. It’s about time we realized that we should end the corrupt banking system, whose main actors charge interest on money they don’t have.

    • jox

      Very look idea. Look at Positive Money in UK. Do you have a similar movement in US?

      • I don’t think the movement is too strong here, for the reason that most people in this country still think that inflation is caused by “gub-mint printing too much money” when in fact our government only originates about 0.5% of our money (cash, coins) directly and the Fed originates only about 7% even after QE.

    • TK

      +100 Sovereign Money, what a concept!!

  • DJohn1

    What was that all about?

  • tom

    don’t be mad at millenials . just imagine, we have never known a fair politician, we have never seen a fair economy, any leader who was out for our interest, never seen a time when we weren’t trillions in debt, never had celebrities who weren’t complete sellouts, our schools were brainwashing factories, i could go on and on. there are a minority of us who are awake. but many are so far gone. peace

    • Priszilla

      Then why do you celebrate washouts?

      • Orange Jean

        I don’t.

        Why do the Brits treat the “royals” like they are somehow better than the rest of you?

        • Priszilla

          Beats me. Celebrities, first Lady, that sort of thing. Some real life fairy tale, like American dream, freedom of speech, right to bear legs.

          • T.

            Your comments are idiotic. You live in the UK and neither your foreign life nor your comments have relevance to us Americans. So, you need to just “shut up”.

          • Priszilla

            Why don’t you just block off your Internet, so it can’t be read elsewhere?
            I lived in several countries so far, and the most amazing thing? People everywhere are just the same.
            Kids play the same games in the back yards we played 40 years ago.
            When you work with people and go out for lunch with them or dinner or snooker, and talk, we all have the same problems and aspirations.
            This is truly a globalised world. It’s very easy to make friends with people across the globe, also to fall in love.
            But then come the problems with regulations and governments and people who firmly believe that there must be restrictions set firmly in stone because THEY are different from US.
            Get out sometimes. Out of your shell, your bunker, your country. When you travel, book the flight at home and everything else when you get there. Stay away from those 5-star hotels with CNN and HBO around the clock.
            Don’t spend all your nights drinking and all your days there sleeping.
            Rent a car and stay away from the motorways, use the side roads. That sort of thing. Wake up with the cockerel cry in some village in the mountains of Bali. Walk the length and the breadth of Bangkok or Tokyo. Eat what the locals eat, even if you don’t know the name of it or can’t read the menu.
            These are just examples. I won’t tell you what you have to to, except: open your mind. Somewhere someone has already found a solution to your problems.

          • Jane the Plummer

            I may not always agree with you say, but will stand up for your right to say it.

          • Jane the Plummer

            Touche’

    • Orange Jean

      Tom
      What makes you think anyone else ever had that?

      Or at least a lot of what you say. Known a “fair politician”, a “fair economy” …. nothing I’ve seen in my lifetime that I’m aware of (and I’m 64). A leader who was out for our interest? Maybe one or two had their heart in the right place, but most did not. A celebrity who wasn’t a complete sellout? Maybe a few (I think Michael Landon for example was not a sellout… but most were)….

      A school that wasn’t a brainwashing factory? Maybe my grammar school (or at least Miss Bruin, my 3rd grade teacher who taught me to read… I was very slow at getting that, although eventually did very well. I do credit Miss Bruin, because I knew she lover me… and saw in me something others did not).

      The college I went to (U.Mass-Amherst was a Marxist-Leninist brainwashing factor in the 80s… although it took a while for me to figure that out.

    • Orange Jean

      You think it was a “fair” economy for minorities before the civil rights movement for example? Mind you, I”m not crazy about “Affirmative Action” and think by now it needs to go the way of the dinosaur… but it made sense when it was first started.

      Or maybe when (with very rare exceptions) … women could only get jobs that paid minimum wage? Who would get fired if they got pregnant (or in some cases if they got married)?

      What about working class men who didn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of getting an education beyond high school? There were some good working class jobs for men, but it depended a LOT on where you lived. Detroit maybe, or some other union towns… but in the mill town I lived in (South Attleboro, MA), the manufacturing jobs only paid minimum wage. Some of the working guys did figure out early (or had parents who advised them) that going into the trades would be a better choice.

      But a lot of that still depended on what kind of parents you had, what class you came from (did your family have money to support going to college for example)… and what kind of advice you got from them.

    • Kaspar_Goering

      The saddest thing for millennials is that this entire generation has grown up not knowing anything about Americas Labor Unions. It’s like they have been sheltered from the reality of life and the necessity of working class folks to organize and literally fight for their portion of Americas wealth. Don’t be fooled into thinking that there are no people still getting rich in spite of what the economy seems to be doing. They will never give us their wealth, so as working people, we must unite and demand that portion that belongs to the worker. For without Labors hand, the wealthy would have nothing.

      • paul

        Being a former UAW member…Unions are useless anymore.

        • Kaspar_Goering

          Are you retired? Do you get a pension from the UAW? The only thing that has made unions useless is the propaganda from Conservatives who wish to keep working folks under their thumb.

          • peace angel

            NOT TRUE. UNIONS are notorious liberals who STEAL FROM blue collar workers and use the funds to traffic drugs.

          • Jane the Plummer

            At least you get it. The liars, thugs, and thieves have been at for decades. Now, Soros & Co can make the final clean sweep.
            Brace for impact…

          • clipper

            You DO know that the vast majority of the ultra-rich, like Soros, Gates, and virtually every major athlete and movie star is an extreme left-wing democrat, right?

          • Kaspar_Goering

            I’m sorry, but you are mistaking hard working Americans for CIA agents. That was how Reagan funded his illegal wars in South America.

          • peace angel

            I am talking about Union bosses and the US and all our Presidents have funded all our illegal wars with OUR money.

          • Kaspar_Goering

            There is no more drug use in Unions than there is in the general population. Non-Union guys are known to use methamphetamine to work the outrageous hours their bosses demand of them.

            Yes. Since the Authorization to use force in the War against Terror specifically limited use of force against those nations responsible for 9/11. 16 of the 20 hijackers were Saudi Arabian. But we invaded Iraq even though Iraq HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11!!!!

            That was an illegal war. As well as the war that President James Polk instigated to steal most of the America southwest from Mexico in 1846.

            However, it was the Civil War that should have put to rest the idea of “us vs them” in America. For the greatest goal of President Lincoln was the preservation of the Union of States. He knew that America got its power form its unity and singleness of purpose.

            It has been the duty of all Americans to try and fulfill the dream that the Founders laid out for us:

            We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

            And to fulfill the dream that our Founders laid out for us takes resources. And resources are represented through Money. And it takes a certain amount to money to have a functioning Government. The taxes we pay as American citizens are the cost of having a civilization. And without Civilization we are no better off than cavemen.

          • dominigan

            Actually, most unions have already been found to be mismanaging pensions by overinflating revenues (lying) or misappropriating funds (stealing). Many people who think they have safe pensions really don’t… because of these same unions.

          • Kaspar_Goering

            Sorry to tell you, but the pension funds of Americas Unions runs in the Trillion of dollars of effect on American commerce. As such, the soundness of America Pension funds are a top priority for the Federal government. Not because they endorse Unions but because the effect that a failure of Union pension funds would have on the economy as a whole.

          • dominigan

            Oh, I know that… all of that pension money invested in capitalist companies kind of undermines your earlier spin.

          • Kaspar_Goering

            Not really, since Unions know that the businesses that their members work for need to make a profit to provide those good wages. Samuel Gompers, the man who help create the AFL said “The worse crime against working people is a company that fails to operate at a profit.” Or, as we say in the trades “..we want contractors with fat wallets.”

            Labor Unions have been a positive good for American corporations. And part of that reciprocity is to invest in American corporations. Just as any other pension manager, they have the fiduciary duty to invest in profitable investments.

          • peace angel

            MOST government pension coffers have been depleted by the unions and the gov.

            My brother has been a commercial pilot for four decades.

            SO far his union has NOT done ONE thing to protect his pension.

            IN fact he flies for DELTA today and just had his pension CUT for the fourth time in his career AND their stock is in the toilet.

            CALIFORNIA has a dozen broke towns and all their pension monies are GONE.

            OBAMA is printing a BILLION dollars a month and the US dollar is on the collapse by design and soon PENSIONS will be a thing of the past for those expecting them.

          • Kaspar_Goering

            I’ll let Ronald Reagan tell you since you won’t believe me:

            youtube*com/watch?v=ihUoRD4pYzI

          • peace angel

            Again, I am not going to your links and doubt anyone else here will either.

            Most of us KNOW Unions are not good for the nation or any of us and that they did not make Cali the Golden State, the Sunshine did and most of us have real disdain for Democrats and Rinos and all the people who puppet for them including Ronald Reagan.

            HE was only a puppet with lots of Illuminati/Hollywood pals who put him in the political seats he held including the White House. He married a psychopath who ran him and the White House using an astrologer as his guide.

            IN the amount of time you have been battling here with all of us, you could have gone to BIN and done some real research and by now could KNOW we only have one party in DC.

          • Kaspar_Goering

            I have been to “Before Its News.” I even got my free Press Badge that I printed and put on my green fedora.

            However, you must realize that about 90% of what is reported there is complete, homogenized, pasteurized 100% Bullhockey.

            However, that being said, it is a good resource to find the most recent trends in conspiracy and UFO sightings. It is interesting to note as well the extreme antisemitism that you find there as well.

          • peace angel

            Kasper

            IF you have BEEN to BIN and KNOW that 100% is BS then that just makes you are a POSER and a LIAR. PERIOD

            BUT YOU HAVE PROVEN SINCE YOU CAME TO THIS SITE THAT YOU HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE OF A CHILD REGARDING WHAT IS GOING ON UNDER YOUR NOSE TODAY in AMERICAN POLITICS AND/OR WORLD POLITICS.

            You never heard of BIN before I told you to go there and with 5 million articles you did NOT decide in the time since I told you about it anything about the site BECAUSE even if you weren’t already totally propagandized AND living on the KOOL AID of the Democratic party AND UNION BOSSES as you ARE—it would TAKE you on your own months IF NOT YEARS—-to even read enough of the articles and VETTE the authors to KNOW what is truth and what is NOT.

            YOU ARE STARTING TEN MILES FROM THE STARTING LINE AND WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO KNOW WHAT IS REAL OR NOT IN A QUICK VIEW OF TITLES WHICH IS ALL YOU DID.

            YOU, LIKE MOST AMERICANS ARE SCARED OF THE TRUTH AND WILL NOT PURSUE FINDING IT.

            YOU HAVE TO REALIZE THAT 100% OF THE NEWS STORIES FROM THE TOP TEN OR TOP 50 DAILY ARTICLES ARE TRUE. THIS IS WHY THE SITE HAS 500 MILLION READERS
            —MOST OF WHOM DO NOT LIVE IN THE US.

            YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE MY BACKGROUND OF FORTY YEARS OF RESEARCH TO KNOW AT A GLANCE WHAT IS REAL OR NOT REAL.

            IN YEARS OF BEING ON THE SITE AND READING IT DAILY I AM FAR MORE CAPABLE OF DECIDING WHAT IS TRUE OR NOT.

            IF YOU STILL THINK UFO’S HAVE NOT BEEN COMING TO EARTH FOR 5000 YEARS PLUS YOU ARE BEYOND HELP AND POSSIBLY ONE OF THE MOST UNINFORMED AMERICANS IN HISTORY.

            IF YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT IN THE US ALL THE BIG CONSPIRACIES HAVE ALL BEEN PROVEN TO BE TRUE, YOU ARE LIGHT YEARS BEHIND THE PEOPLE ON THIS WEBSITE AND IT’S AUTHOR. YOU ARE ON THE LEVEL OF THOSE 20 YEAR OLDS ON THE POLITICAL ARTICLES ON YAHOO. GO THERE.

            YOU WILL DIE IN A CONCENTRATION CAMP STILL HAILING HITLER, WHICH IS JUST WHAT YOU DESERVE FOR REFUSING TO FIND THE TRUTH WHEN IT IS DROPPED IN YOUR LAP.

            60,000 PILOTS SENT BUSH SR. A LETTER SIGNED BY ALL OF THEM INSISTING THAT HE INFORM AMERICANS AND THE WORLD

            —-THAT UFOS, ALIENS AND FOREIGN BEINGS HAVE BEEN COMING TO EARTH FOR MORE THAN 5000 YEARS. THE LIST WAS COMPOSED OF MILITARY, GOV. COMMERCIAL AND ASTRONAUT PILOTS WHO INSISTED THE WORLD BE TOLD WHAT ALL OF THEM HAD SEEN FIRST HAND AND EXPERIENCED.

            MY BROTHER HAS BEEN A PILOT FOR FORTY YEARS AND THEY SEE UFOS ON A REGULAR BASIS FROM THE COCKPITS OF COMMERCIAL PLANES. THEY ARE FRIGGIN ALL OVER THE PLACE AND MOST TODAY ARE OWNED BY OUR MILITARY, FOOL.

            I HAD A BOYFRIEND WHO HAD ONE LANDING IN HIS PASTURE FOR TWO DECADES. I SAW IT IN 1972.

            I LIVED IN A DESERT SETTING ON THE COLO. BORDER WHERE ONCE A WEEK THE WHOLE AREA GOT A HUGE LIGHT SHOW—-EVERY WED. NIGHT.

            THESE WERE US GOV RECREATED SPACE SHIPS RUNNING NIGHT DRILLS AND THE WHOLE TOWN CAME TO MY BIG WRAP AROUND PORCH TO WATCH THE SHOW.

            WHEN THE FIRST CRASH HAPPENED IN ROSWELL THE FBI WAS SENT BY THE WHITE HOUSE TO INVESTIGATE THE CRASH AND ENGINEERS WERE SENT TO RECREATE THE SHIPS AND WE DID AND WE HAVE HAD THEM FLYING OUT THERE EVER SINCE.

            YOU ARE PATHETICALLY UNINFORMED AND YOU DO NOT WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH. LIKE MOST AMERICANS IF YOU KNOW THE TRUTH AND IT IS ALL THAT IT IS YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME OUT OF YOUR BASEMENT AND TAKE ACTION. TO KNOW THE TRUTH IS TO NEED TO DO SOMETHING AND YOU PLAN TO JUST LINE UP FOR THE CAMPS.

            YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH AND JUST WANT TO PUPPET YOUR ANCIENT AND COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT DRIVEL ON DEMS AND UNIONS.

            THERE IS NO ANTISEMITISM AMONG THE TOP WHISTLE BLOWERS AND INSIDERS RISKING THEIR LIVES TO REPORT DAILY NEWS ON BIN AND YOU ARE NOT WORTH THEIR TRUTHS.

            GO AWAY AND LEAVE ME ALONE. I AM LEAVING THE COUNTRY AND IDIOTS LIKE YOU IN MY REAR VIEW MIRROR IN ONLY A COUPLE OF WEEKS AND I HAVE NO TIME FOR THOSE WHO TRULY ARE TOOO SCARED TO SEEK OUT THE TRUTH.

            YOU ARE NOT SPEAKING OF ANYTHING RELEVANT TODAY AND NO ONE HERE IS TALKING TO YOU. LEAVE ME ALONE AND PACK FOR THE CAMPS, FOOL.

            J. VENTURA PROVED TO THE WORLD THAT IN THE US ALL THE BIG CONSPIRACIES ARE GOV. PLANNED DESTRUCTION OF THE NATION AND CONSPIRATORIAL. REALITIES TO DESTROY THE US AND THE WORLD but CLEARLY YOU DID NOT WATCH.

            GO AWAY. I AM DONE WITH YOU AND ALL THOSE WHO INSIST ON SLEEPING INSTEAD OF SAVING THIS ONCE GREAT NATION.

            NEWSFLASH====WHEN THEY TAKE YOU TO THE CAMPS AND STRIP YOU OF ALL YOU OWN THEY DO NOT TRANSFER THAT PENSION. AFTER GETTING AN RFID CHIP YOU CAN GET FOOD AND MEDICINE TO KEEP YOU SLEEP WALKING AND NOTHING ELSE.

            THAT IS CLEAR FROM THE VIDEO SHOT BY VENTURA’S FILM CREW OF THE WALKING ZOMBIES IN THE RED ZONE —YEARS AGO THAT YOU MISSED AND REFUSE TO WATCH STILL AT THE UP AND RUNNING RED ZONE.

            BYE, BYE DON’T BOTHER ME AGAIN.

          • Old timer

            Did you lose your glasses mid rant? 500 million views does not equate to 500 million people. If I go to that site 10 times a day for a year that would total 3,650 total views just adding in from 1 person. Depending on how long BIN has been active that could mean only a handful of people actually go to that site.

            I thought you would be gone by now. You said a few weeks ago you were leaving in a few weeks. What’s the hold up?

          • peace angel

            I have eye issues and I use all caps when i don’t want to wear them. IF there are 30,000 to 40,000 people signed up to view the sites I regularly go to and there are several thousand PEOPLE on that site at any given time then that debunks your mathematical conclusion.

            WHEN the top 10 trending news sites of every day has thousands of viewers on the site at one time OR who have read that one website story of the day it shows you how many people are using the site.

            HOW many people use the site matters not to me aside from the fact that there is not another site on the internet with this much participation no matter who taught your math.

            AND the FACT that the top trending news is the truthful news of the day, makes me continue to come here and go to a dozen other sites to bring newbies to the truth.

            Michael’s articles appear in the top 50 sometimes also.

            AT any given time you can see how many people are on the site and very late at night there are always thousands if not tens of thousands of people on the site at any one time, so your math is not real.

            AND the hold up as if you care is the FACT that the US gov. is a month overdue in sending me my second passport and as they are seizing passports at the airport and as I do intend to come back to visit depending on how long it takes to kill off the nation, I will not leave without it. I have actually retained a lawyer to go after it.

            SO, why are you reading my “rants” if you are convinced I should just be gone??? What is the reason for that?? Clearly for a few weeks you are reading my “rants” and that is baffling to me. THERE are people on every site I visit who are ranting and LYING and I do not ever read what they write. EVER.

            All of a sudden after more than a year of commenting here I am getting hate posts telling me to leave. It all sounds like pure jealousy to me. DO you want to leave and can not or will not and is that why it bothers you that I am leaving and that my leaving has been hijacked by the gov. which is no surprise to anyone who knows me and my long time involvement in trying to out our leaders. WHY is when I leave important to your life. I am just a ranter, right??

          • peace angel

            AND to make the case that anyone would go to ONE website ten times every day for a year is nothing short of ridiculous. WHO DOES THAT?? NO ONE

          • Old timer

            Most people probably can’t dedicate 4-5 hours on the Internet in one block of time. For me if I want to actually sift through the articles and read the info on BIN I typcially have to go to the site 3-5 times periodically throughout the day. Sometimes more if there’s more articles I find worth reading. Just saying as my main point was before 500 million VIEWS does NOT equal 500 million PEOPLE as you tried to state earlier.

          • peace angel

            FOR the past twenty years I have been paid to do underground research on hundreds of sights involving our US gov. and what they are doing.

            I usually spend at least 4-5 hours at a time doing my research and then another two hours submitting it for my job.

            I would spend 3-4 hours the previous years in libraries doing the same thing.

            I think most people log onto the internet once a day and get their news thus my numbers are more realistic than most unless they sit a desk all day and go on and off the internet instead of working, but most are not doing that and others sit on the internet for 10-24 hours every day.

            You can tell how many people are on BIN at one time and how many people are on each site at one time and it is in the tens of thousands and not one person logging on ten times every day for a total of 3000 something all year.

            I was simply pointing out how far off base your analysis was.

          • Orange Jean

            One of the reasons I said previously that you sound angry is that you use all caps so much. It is generally considered to be the online equivalent of *screaming*…

            I also have eye issues, so I can make a suggestion you might want to try. If you hold down the Control button and then hit +, the font size will increase… and you may be able to see it better without using CAPS which annoys many people (and is harder to read). If you don’t like the way it looks or the font looks too large, hold Control and -.

            I’ve tried that method on this website and it works (some websites it doesn’t).

          • peace angel

            I will try that for sure. THAT control thing.

            I was using not all caps but a lot of caps when I began writing professionally forty years ago as it was the way to EMPHASIZE a point.

            THEN when the internet had been around for almost ten years I was still doing that and NOBODY cared and people knew I used them for emphasis.

            AND THEN the educationally dumbed down and brain washed millennials DECIDED that using caps was SCREAMING.

            SO I OFTEN use them to get their attention instead of using a two by four which is really hard on my computer OR I will use them because of they are stupid and smart mouthed OR because my eyes are tired from too many hours of using them.

            BUT what I do not ever do and have not ever done is strike the FIRST blow and lately I am sick to death of the ignorance the baby boomers and their non educated non parented kids have brought to mankind and all their SAME ridiculous remarks and criticism.

            I have lasted through all that and 15 years of Kool Aid and tin foil hats and take your meds comments. THANK the LORD that is almost over and yet, I just got one two days ago.

            I get crazy when I get that one simply because I am a senior citizen who does NOT take RX drugs and do not drink, smoke cigs or eat bad foods and I am not totally disease free after more than 6 decades of having my air, food, water and drywall poisoned by my gov. I have not had tap water in forty years and I exercise regularly, so when one of these cliche’ kids tells me to take my meds, I want to come through my computer.

            I am very much willing to agree that ON THE COMPUTER and ONLY on the computer I have become extremely angry that America is OVER and I have no choice but to expatriate to avoid a retirement in a concentration camp and I blame first and foremost over the EVIL politicians—I blame my fellow citizens and neighbors for continuing to sleep through this take over.

            THE PROOF TODAY IS ALL OVER THE INTERNET

            AND PROFILED IN EVERYTHING THE ILLUMINATI CONTROLLED HOLLYWOOD CROWD AND TV PRODUCERS AND RECORD PRODUCERS ARE PORTRAYING ALL OVER THE TV AND IN MOVIE HOUSES

            WORLDWIDE AS THEY HAVE ALWAYS DONE AND STILL

            THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SLEEP—I AM ANGRY AT THEM AND THEY are the ones who attack me on the internet, YET I do not stop trying to school them in many comments that lately and ONLY lately have become really angry. I get it and do not care.

            EVER since people started using the word ANNOYING—-I find myself LOVING ANNOYING people who think like that.

            I believe we need to spend way more time reading and researching and accessing the TRUTH in serious issues LONG before we JUMP to annoyed. IF I had said that to my mother, I would have had my teeth knocked down my throat and when kids say it, I think of that and stop listening.

            Usually when I use all caps I am either crazy angry at the stupidity of the other commenter OR I just don’t want to put on my glasses, which I did not need until I had botched lazer surgery from one of LA’s finest eye specialists many years ago.

            CRAZY angry does not raise my blood pressure nor does it piss me off. I am really just attempting a wake up call in the other person. I learned a long time ago in politics and working with politicians HOW to be ASSERTIVE AND NOT AGGRESSIVE but lately, I treat people like they have treated me on the internet and it really makes me laugh.

            AFTER forty years of this I MAY be getting jaded so traveling back in time and spending my retirement in paradise with really happy TRIBAL people is just what my doctor would order IF I had one.

            I don’t see doctors unless I am taken in by ambulance after an accident and nearly unconscious. I have not had a mammogram or Pap smear for two decades and IF I learned I have cancer, I would not use any US treatments for it. THEY have been murdering researchers and doctors all over the world WHO have already found a CURE for cancer.

            I had a very good friend whose father was one of those doctors in California in the late 70’s and they have killed many, many more since then.

            I have had a LIVING WILL since 1969 and now have a DO NOT RESUSCITATE and you cannot give me any drugs wallet card for both.

            I have been to Heaven and do not want any man to prevent my trip back there.

          • dominigan

            Yes, we all know that you LOVE your liberal utopia you’ve created in Detroit! That third world disaster is exactly what happens when you let liberals and unions run everything. Conservatives wish to free working folks from union slavery and allow them to keep more of their pay so they can experience a better life. I bet you really hate that!

          • Kaspar_Goering

            Detroit has suffered the same fate that most states in America are facing. Detroit used to be one of the best big cities to live before the Automobile Industry decided to maximize profits by moving operations overseas. Tell me, how many American automobile manufactures actually build cars in Detroit? The last I checked there was only ONE manufacturer that actually makes cars in Detroit.

            In the 1970’s the manufactures made some terrible mistakes in marketing and making cars that Americans wanted to buy, So , instead of taking the blame, they just blamed the guys putting on fenders on the shop floor for their economic troubles. It was not the wages of the workers that killed Detroit, bu the “maximization of Profits” that killed Detroit.

          • dominigan

            LOL! Good attempt at spin, but the truth is from government to car workers, every aspect was controlled by liberal union-friends. Liberals killed Detroit.

          • Swagato Barman Roy

            Look at detroit for a union driven economy, look at the Silicon valley for the economy of free enterprise, entrepreneurship and globally oriented businesses. Ooh, of course you would not know about Silicon valley if you think the world is stuck in the sixities. My bad.

          • Kaspar_Goering

            Your assumption was incorrect. While the Computer industry professional end has been operating under a so-called “free market” type of scheme, try and have any kind of big industrial/commercial construction job done non-union in California. There are some non-union outfits operating in the golden state, but nothing compared to the big Union firms. And in the telecom end in California, the Unions have significant share of the market as far as Union representation for their employees.

            It is because of the Unions that California is called “The Golden State.”

          • Swagato Barman Roy

            The last part is total non-sense. Unions have absolutely nothing to do with CA being called the golden state.

            And LoL, you think because union outfits are so successful at bankrupting the state and municipal governments in CA, they are desirable. But the rest of the world does not know CA because of your unionised construction firms. If CA was founded on the unionised construction, then they would suffer the same fate as Detroit. The fact that the investments moved to Guanghzhou, and South Korea and Taiwan tells a lot, does not it?

          • Kaspar_Goering

            All that the foreign “investments” that US companies did was show how bad the tax policies of the Conservatives have been for America.

            Ronald Reagan had a grand vision for America. He really thought that America would do all of the financial and clerical work while the dirty industrial jobs would be done overseas. Unfortunately, the tax code gives corporations big tax cuts if they move overseas. What has happened is Americas Industrial base has been sold off to the lowest bidder. It was these “neo-conservative” economic policies that screwed over Americas working people.

            And rather than taking responsibility for their bad policy, they just blamed it on the so-called “high wages” of Union workers.

            There is a difference between “Maximizing Profit” and “liveable Wages.” One only benefits the wealthy while the other benefits everyone.

          • Swagato Barman Roy

            Of course, profit is very different from wage-but after all the stockholders own the company. So it is obvious that they get to call the shots. If you own a company, you are most welcome to pay your workers whatever you think is liveable.

            And I am not really defending the republicans here. I am saying the global arbitrage is an irresistible force to fight with and unions just cripple the population as a whole, making them uncompetitive. Tax played some role here, but if you want to go back to the sixties, then the only alternative is to nuke out the vast expanse of Asia pacific and India, so that those people cannot produce anything anymore. The world is not at sixties. The entire American population was the 1% liberals keep harping about.

          • Kaspar_Goering

            You seem to forget where the ‘Corporations” get their money in the first place. It was the Labor that their workers sold in the form of Wages that produced their “profit.” Essentially, that “profit” actually belongs to those whose labor was responsible for producing it in the first place.

            I know that you would recognize this as classic Marxian thought. Yet the contradictions that Capitalism suffers from has produced the conditions that the world is suffering from today. Indeed, it was the lack of a sufficient response by Organized Labor to the illegal firing of the PATCO strikers in 1983 that has made Labors case that much more difficult. I have spoken to may “oldtimers” in the Union who have said America should have had a General Strike in response to the PATCO firings.

            Unless money gets into the lower classes of workers their will be no recovery.

          • peace angel

            WHICH IS WHY IT IS ALL THE LIBERAL AND SOCIALIZED NATIONS THAT ARE CRASHING ECONOMICALLY.

            THAT IS WHY THE BROKEST STATES IN THE US ARE THE ONES WITH THE BIGGEST SOCIAL PROGRAMS.

            WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR NEWS???

          • Kaspar_Goering

            All I know I learned from reading the newspaper and comic books.

            What “conservative” countries are doing well economically?

          • Swagato Barman Roy

            Nope, the corporations get their seed capital from investors BEFORE a single item is sold. If the labours are not able to sell an item, still they get paid until they get fired or they quit. The framework you have in your mind demonstrates a massive ignorance of how businesses work.

            And as technology progresses, higher order skills automatically get rewarded more than menial labour. Most labours are jobs that almost anyone can do. If your labours were so skilled, they would open their own businesses. Labours are worth as much as the consumers are ready to pay them-which is apparently not much. Anyone can tighten a screw at some detroit workshop-but it takes real skill to identify a market and then run a business to serve the market competitively. You would know if you are running a business.

            Recovery is a different issue, but the sixties are not coming back-recovery or not. This is a different economy-you can feel scared or feel excited. Your choice.

          • Kaspar_Goering

            You seem to take an elitist point of view concerning labor. Accountants and Lawyers are necessary for a modern society. But without the labor of many at the bottom, our society would collapse in short order. These human beings deserve just as much respect as any ‘suit’ in the crystal towers. And they deserve wages that are commensurate to their willingness to fight for those wages.

            While the so-called “free” market may value their labor at only $5 an hour, these working men and women have every right in the world to withhold their labor until a redress of grievances is addressed. That is where the power of Labor Unions come from. And Conservatives know that. That is the reason for their campaign to divide and conquer the Labor Unions by trying to sow discord through jealousy or false propaganda.

            As Samuel Gompers, founder of the AF of L said:

            Reward our friends,
            punish our enemies.

            -Samuel Gompers

          • Swagato Barman Roy

            I am not talking about respect-which means treating people politely and without verbal abuse. If people are raised right, usually they learn that-labour or lawyer alike.

            I am not disrespecting labour, I am just saying labour is worth as much as someone pays it. And yeah, labours have the complete right to not to join a corporation. I never heard of a company which goes to your home, drags you down to its factory floor to fix a nut-bolt. Maybe you belong to a different universe, but what I usually see is the labours queuing up for a job, offering their time.

            What unions did was preventing people who were willing to do the job at negotiated wage. If my factory union calls for a strike, I do not have the right work. Maybe it serves your political agenda, but look at Detroit to see how exactly it served others.

          • Kaspar_Goering

            Why would you want to work in a Union shop to begin with? Is it because of the good wages and benefits that they have? Well, if that is the case, then why not just join the Union? None of those good wages and benefits would be there if it were not for the sacrifice of previous Union members and their Union.

            That is why “Right to Work” legislation is so unfair to the Union. Why should a shop that has Union representation be allowed to hire workers who are NOT in the union? Because that leads to the eventual destruction of the Union. That is why Conservatives love the so-called “Right to Work” legislation.

            If you wish to work at a company that has its employees under a Collective Bargaining agreement then join the Union. Don’t try to take MY right to be represented away just because you want to be greedy.

          • Swagato Barman Roy

            Good, that shows your true colour. So you want to control the contract between the management and a third person (a non-union labour) via force. Whatever motivates the labour to work for that particular corporation is irrelevant here, but you are shameless about admitting your desire to manipulate my right to work. (Just wish every liberal-socialist was as honest as you.)

            Right to be represented is as much important as right not to be represented. But whenever you have an open shop system (where every worker can join a union or can stay out of it) then your union with its leaders goes straight to trash bin. That goes to show the relevance of unions, LoL…Whine all you want and you can still cling on to union. But I am not going to join it. You can judge the relevance or the supposed positive effect only by making it optional.

          • Kaspar_Goering

            And as soon as Unions are done away with, so do your good wages and conditions.

          • Swagato Barman Roy

            Not really, almost none of the silicon valley companies have unions. And they have pretty good salary or equity options. I work in a non-unionised telecommunication company as an R & D officer. I earn from my salary, some of my investments in start ups, and from the stock market. You can earn money without union if you have the skill and innovation. Most people in the world do so and many continue to live better than than people in Detroit. Just do not let your employer hold all the cards, make yourself irreplaceable or at least difficult to do away with. Join a union if you like (instead of improving your skill), but you must be too innocent to think that will help in the longer run. Detroit shows that every day.

            On a different note, the age of steady jobs with benefits is coming to an end anyway-and unions have served to accelerate the trend. Welcome to the freelancing, opportunity and innovation driven knowledge economy. If you do not have anything better to do than to fix nutbolts under a factory shade in Detroit or China, you have to learn to live with less. Better you learn growing your vegetables.

          • Kaspar_Goering

            You are assuming that all Americans could become entrepreneurs. The fact is not everyone is capable or even wants to be their own “boss.” It’s for those people – you know, everybody else – that Unions benefit the most. And because Unions allow these type of individuals to earn good wages, the entire economy improves.

            it has been the Unions who have preserved the Crafts and trades that requires skilled Craftspeople to do. Most of the non-Union world has suffered a sort of “brain Drain” over the decades since the conservative first declared war upon the working people of America. In the non-Union crafts and trades many of the older workers are afraid to teach the younger people because they know that they could loose their jobs to the younger person. I’ve seen it happen too many times myself. And when that older worker finally dies or retires that knowledge is lost forever.

            However, in the Union, since Union members want to ensure that they have a pension when they retire, there is an incentive to teach young apprentices all the “tricks of the trade” because they know that having well trained Journeymen will ensure that their Pensions will be there when they retire.

            Just like how Social Security is SUPPOSED to work.

          • Swagato Barman Roy

            From the way you talk, it is absolutely clear that you have never run a business, but claim to speak as if you know how to do it.

            And no, the unions did not preserve the skills-else the factories would not go to Guanghzhou from Detroit. If you were really thinking that unions preserve the skills, then you would open a factory employing those unionists. But since you did not, and those who had the factory found other places more profitable-I presume you are dead wrong.

            Unless you run the business-you are an irrelevant outsider. Grow YOUR OWN business using union labours, then only you have the right to say that unions have preserved anything.

            I am not saying all americans could become so, I am just saying if you cannot, become less dependent on your employer for your income. Generate multiple income streams by offering freelancing, contract services etc.

            “everybody else – that Unions benefit the most”-you are dead wrong there again. Unions raise the prices of products-which is the reason toyota and honda replaced GM and Ford. They do not benefit the end buyers like me.

            Say it clearly: Unions benefit those who have no skills apart from running orders-at the cost of many others.

          • Kaspar_Goering

            Yes. Unions make sure that the dumbest, most insecure workers can make a living wage. That is the whole purpose of joining a Union. Those people have children as well as the wealthier people. Why shouldn’t their families benefit from the riches our Country has produced? By providing more well paying jobs Abortions will go DOWN. Because people who work at jobs that pay liveable wages tend to make families instead of having abortions.

            Unions benefit all of society – even the selfish rich people.

          • Swagato Barman Roy

            Well, the dumbest are as selfish as the successful-the only difference is the dumb people are dumb. And yeah, most of them are fed and clothed even without the unions. And the country has not produced them-successful, smart have produced them via their risk and talent.

            And no, the unions do not benefit the truly successful innovators, entrepreneurs and freelancers-which is the reason unions go to trash if you make them optional. Apparently you are one of the dumbos since you keep harping back the same point. If the unions were beneficial to the stockholders and consumers, then they would not move production to Guanghzhou from Detroit, neither would people by Toyota instead of GM. You keep rambling unions are beneficial-but reality is against you. You cannot deny that. The unions are beneficial for politicians and political minded nuisances like you who want to control instead of investing or running a business.

            How many businesses have you run? How many people have you employed on your payroll?

          • Kaspar_Goering

            You are aware that the major Japanese manufacturer’s are all UNION. As well as the German Auto makers. So what makes their situation different from America?

            greed

            Yes that little word that people like you think is a virtue.

            I know that you want to blame the Unions as being ‘greedy’, but the difference is that they wish to WORK for those wages and benefits.

            Yes, in out technological age the need for old fashioned Labor unions seem redundant. But remember this – human nature has NOT changed. There will be people who wish to dominate and suppress those who want a better life for themselves. The need for working people to have a counter to business’s interests will always be needed.

          • Swagato Barman Roy

            No, I am also a working man and I look after myself without your stinky union. Many people throughout the world do. And yes, there are many nominal unions throughout the world, just that the American unions proved the best to cripple the manufacturing industry, that’s it. That does not mean other unions are anymore desirable than your UAW.

            Anyway, the discussion is redundant because unions are going outdated anyway…you cannot have union in a freelancing, micro-entrepreneurship, and innovation driven economy. You lost Detroit, keep crying standing over there. That will not bring the dinosaurs back.

          • peace angel

            CALIFORNIA has 40 BILLION dollars in debt and no WATER and instead of building desalination plants they are building a high speed rail.

            In CALI EVERYTHING is way more expensive than the rest of us pay which is WHY I left there two decades ago calling it COMMUNIST CALIFORNIA because it is.

          • Kaspar_Goering

            I went to Los Angeles in 1989 after the last economic chaos caused by Republicans devastated the south where I was living. I went back to school. Community College tuition was free, but the Republican governor, Pete Wilson decided to balance the budget on the backs of working poor so he raised College tuition to almost $40 dollars a unit. I graduated from El Camino College in Torrance, CA, in 1993. I bumed around for a while until I met a man who worked for the IBEW electricians union. Ever since then I have had the greatest career as a Union electrician. Work has been tough, but thank G-d there are Unions or I would never be able to afford to live in California.

          • peace angel

            Aren’t there union websites where you aren’t hijacking a thread with union and democratic party rah, rah??

            Since when is an electricians work hard, regardless of the pay? I built houses in Tahoe for a decade and the electricians had the easiest job of us all. Laying concrete is hard, framing is hard, plumbing is really hard and roofing even harder. Electrical work can be dangerous, but not hard. String some wire and drill some holes and flip a switch.

          • Nick

            What a crock! Silicon Valley is a third world country! No middle class American can really afford to live there let alone working class. Sure there are lots of people that are doing well but it’s a small minority. And if you don’t think the Googles and Yahoos have gotten some serious tax breaks, subsidies, lobbying etc. you’re a fool!

          • Swagato Barman Roy

            I am not saying Si valley is some neverland where everyone does great, nobody is poor. Or that once you reach the bay area with your rags and a backpack you will be offered a mansion to live in.

            I am saying Si valley is a close representative of the new age economy of innovation, entrepreneurship, flexible but adaptable skill set. It is even more prevalent where I live-which is in Singapore. People have multiple income streams- they change career many times. You can be a real estate agent this year, an owner of a car wash the next, or franchise a few restaurants or a trader at the stock exchange still next. The point is being flexible and ready to switch as the different sectors go up and down, as the industry landscapes change in your country or region. That is a key for staying competitive, unless, of course dad left you a fortune.

            I am talking from my own experience in San Francisco, by working alongside a few start ups and with many colleagues from throughout US. Si valley is a nice place to be if you have that mettle in you. Whether you make it Zuckerberg or Larry Ellison of course depends on many other factors.

            And the gap between third and first world is closing-learn to accept it. I know Si valley is reminiscent of a third world in many ways, but still better than Detroit-which is not even third, possibly seventh world if ever there was one.

          • peace angel

            AUTOWORKERS were making $30 an hour while everyone around them made far less and NAFTA killed manufacturing in the US.

          • Patrick White

            Unions are worthless, in Germany in the 80s the Government curtailed Union powers slightly, while in the US the Unions gained more power. Germany kept their manufacturing Sector, the US did not.

          • Kaspar_Goering

            You are so full of it. In Germany there is a representative from Labor on the Board of Directors of German companies. That would be unheard of in America. In Germany the business actually share their internal documents concerning profit and company finance. Something most Business people in America would rather die than share that information with anyone. So your simple comparison between Germany and America just doesn’t hold up.

          • peace angel

            YEP

        • Rob W

          Yeah, weekends, a 40 hour work week, overtime, holidays, child labor laws, all useless… without union activism protecting what was hard won, watch it all be rolled back.

      • MadAsHellYankee

        The original unions didn’t have CBA’s to fight with, and they got shot at by kleptocratic scumbags like Andrew Carnegie. Modern unions who get screwed just want their CBA’s honored and everyone calls them “selfish” etc.. and yet those same people will whine and cry when their Constitutional rights are violated in the same way that union members CBA’s are violated.

        • Kaspar_Goering

          Dare not speak ill of Republicans, but you can dump all you want on Americas Unions.

          And, yet, Americas Labor Unions are the most Democratic institutions we have in America. That is why Conservatives wish to destroy Labor Unions. Not because of cost of labor, but because Unions actually exercise their American Rights. And for Fascists like Republicans, that is a danger.

          • MadAsHellYankee

            My friend, the Dems and Repubs are both fascists. The merger of state and corporate powers. The unions push socialistic bullcrap anymore… they need to get back to their roots and instead of backing leftist goofballs… back their employees against all. I can tell you with no uncertain terms that unions modern day act like third world banana republics and engage in deception and selling out at every opportunity.

          • Kaspar_Goering

            You have all of the Republican talking points on Unions down very well. However, being a member of a Union for 20+ years I can tell you that there is no more corruption in my Union than there is in any business that you may encounter. There is probably more corruption in the Baptist church down the street than in the local Union.

            There is a clear choice between Republicans and Democrats – Republicans want to help their wealthy donators while the Democrats want to help the Working class folks. How many Republicans do you see supporting Labor Unions? How many Democrats do you see supporting tax cuts? There are clear differences between the parties.

          • MadAsHellYankee

            Republican talking points? That’s from over 10 years of working in a union shop. I see what I see and said daily. Dems are just as bad as the Rinos

          • T.

            Gettim yank. I’m a mad as hell American – From Dixie.

          • Kaspar_Goering

            Why have you worked 10 years in a Union shop if ti was so bad? Why didn’t you just pull yourself up by your own bootstraps and start your own business?

            It seems to me that you have benefited much more form Democratic policies that Republican policies.

          • Gay Veteran

            the 2 parties now are 2 sides of the same coin.
            this isn’t the 1930s when FDR actually supported labor unions

          • TK

            +100 This guy knows how the world works… It’s amazing to me that folks can’t figure out we have a 1 party political system….

          • djc

            Exactly. Obama’s biggest contributor in his first Presidential campaign was Goldman Sachs—-enough said.

          • Gay Veteran

            indeed. we are given the ILLUSION of choice

          • Jane the Plummer

            George Soros, frontman for the Rothchild banking dynasty and other Anglo/French/English interest.

          • Rob W

            The differences are so each of us can have a team we identify with and can root for. Otherwise, there is no difference.

          • peace angel

            THE DIFFERENCE WAS CREATED TO MAKE PEOPLE FIGHT AND DIVIDE THE COUNTRY.

          • peace angel

            YEP AND ALL HIS HANDLERS AND FAMILY MEMBERS WERE COMMUNISTS AND HE IS AN MKULTRA’D PUPPET.

            VALERIE JARRETT AN IRANIAN BORN HIGH PRIESTESS IN THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD AND COMMUNIST HAS BEEN HIS HANDLER FOR 25 YEARS.

            AND BEFORE THAT HE WAS HANDLED AND TRAINED BY SAUL ALINSKY AT THE SAME TIME SAUL WAS HANDLING AND TRAINING HUGO CHAVEZ.

            HIS IS A MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE AND EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW THAT BY NOW IN THE US, BECAUSE THE REST OF THE WORLD KNOWS IT.

          • jsmith

            Yes that’s right. NAFTA allowed all those companies to ship those jobs to Mexico and China. So much for the Democrats! Republicans and democrats: Demopublicans!

          • Kaspar_Goering

            Tell me under which party do the Unions have a chance to even exist? The Republicans have waged a war against working class Americans since Reagan illegally fired the PATCO strikers in 1983.

            How many people here would be glad to go back to 1999? You remember? When the world was at peace and America had a surplus? And the tax burden was shifted towards the wealthy?

          • Gay Veteran

            1999 surplus? you mean using all the Social Security money to hide the true state of affairs.
            Our current problems are the direct consequence of Clinton getting NAFTA ratified.
            And peace? how many Iraqi children died because of our sanctions?
            put away your rose colored glasses

          • peace angel

            YOU are talking about less than a half a percent of the working people all of whom could have formed a UNION and chose not to.

            WE ONLY have ONE party. You need to get a new news source.

            BOTH parties have legislated the NWO in the US and around the world and BOTH parties built 800 FEMA concentration camps to HERD you and your UNION bosses into.

            BOTH parties sent all our manufacturing oveseas and BOTH parties have been poisoning the water, air,soil, food and RX and OTC drugs in the US for a hundred years.

            BOTH parties are militarizing our local LEO to herd you to the camps as recently happened in Columbia, SC.

            BOTH parties signed Agenda 21 agreeing to kill off 90% of the world population starting in the US.

          • Rufus T Firefly

            Get your facts straight, herr goering. Reagan did not illegally fire those PATCO idiots. Those morons walked off there jobs and Reagan did what he promised he would when those thugs threatened the safety of airline passengers. The economy boomed after that because capital flowed into the country after they saw Reagan would not let union goons destroy the economy the way unions inevitably do to any industry they are in

          • Kaspar_Goering

            I’m sorry, but your perception of history is quite skewed. There was a terrible recession in 1984 that was mostly centered around Americas Rust belt. Mostly because the export of American manufacturing jobs were well under way due to the change in tax policies that actually rewarded companies for moving overseas. Reagan had to raise taxes 6 more times to catch up with the loss in revenue form his first tax cut. Actually, by eliminating most of the middle class tax exemptions Reagan managed to raise taxes on most working people while still lowering the top tax brackets.

            Most of the economic ‘boom’ of the Reagan era was due to the huge increase in spending for Defense.

          • dominigan

            Go back to the 1920s. This is the future and we don’t need an outdated, self-serving organization like Unions any more. They are the handcuffs that steal money from workers and invest it in the party of theft. Every chance when people are allowed to choose, they dump the union. The workers don’t want it. They want more of their money, and the choice to spend it on what they choose.

          • Kaspar_Goering

            Do you enjoy your middle class lifestyle? It was only made possible by the rise of Labor Unions in America. Before the rise of Organized Labor, there were only two classes of people in America – the rich and everybody else.

            youtube*com/watch?v=aQyALeiCRrg

          • dominigan

            I enjoy my middle class lifestyle very much, without any hint of unions. It was through my hard work that I am a part of the middle class and not some union parasites. Entrepreneurial success makes me what I am, not a bunch of third-rate greedy union pukes.

            Case in point, both of my daughters ended up with jobs working at grocery stores here in our suburb. The non-union made more, were given opportunities to fix a customer experience, the store was cleaner, and managment treated her better. So I actually have an apples to apples comparison. Go sell your union snake oil somewhere else you fool.

          • Mike Smithy

            Please explain how the notion of keeping people locked into perpetual poverty by giving them a never ending series of handouts has helped them? The USA has spent trillions combating the war on poverty and yet we have more people living in poverty than ever before. The Democrats have no interest in actually improving the lives of people. If they did, they would not have a constituency.

          • T.

            Both parties are Corrupt and Owned. Both parties are Toadies for the office of the president. This nation’s Government has been “Captured” since 911. Since then, power has been being Consolidated under the Executive branch to the point that we are now run by presidential decree. Congress has in effect been Neutered. Obviously this guy Kaspar has had a good experience with his union job and gives credit for union’s benefactor as being the Dems, but this only shows his ignorance, as the Dems voted for NAFTA and Free Trade which enabled all of our corporations to send their manufacturing base Overseas. Manufacturing is the heart and soul of all unionized work. Americans have been such IDIOTS. Do we really deserve any more than the “Crumbs” that the corporations have left us?

          • Jane the Plummer

            I refer you to the United States Code (note the capitalization indicating the corporation.)
            Title 28 3002 (15) (A) (B) (C)
            It stated unequivocally that the United States is a corporation.
            “We the people” are part of the Matrix and the Federal Reserve owns your life.

          • Kaspar_Goering

            You are putting the cart before the horse. The main problem with the “Great Society” as envisioned by LBJ was the institutional prejudice and racism that prevent many minorities from escaping public housing.

            Both sets of my grandparents lived in public housing after WW2. However, because they were white, they were able to get good paying jobs and move out into their own homes. But the minorities that took their place were not so lucky. In essence, they became “trapped” in public housing. That is what created the “welfare class” in America during the 1960-70’s.

            Nixon’s “Able Bodied Man” law forced many women who were in the projects to separate from their husbands to keep their benefits so they could care for their children.

            With Reagan’s war on organized labor, one of the few outlets for people to get ahead in America has been slowly destroyed.

            It has been Republican policy that has caused Americans economic prospects to decline.

          • peace angel

            WHAT you describe is broke people continuing to have babies they COULD not afford.

            I have been in many black hoods since it was the ghetto doing volunteer work and I saw all over the US a whole race of people who had NO interest in working. There are millions of able bodied black men going back 6 decades who NEVER had a job and who NEVER tried to get a job and NEVER want a future.

            I witnessed many moms encouraging their teen daughters to make babies to bring another $500 into their homes by having a baby for the gov. to raise and the baby daddy’s were running the streets preying on their neighbors.

            I suggest you see the video that Nancy Pelosi’s daughter filmed in front of her home at the local Food Stamp office and here LOTS of able bodied men’s responses to WHY they don’t work and WHY they should not have to work and WHY their daddy’s and grandaddy’s NEVER worked. Her daughter’s name is Rebecca Pelosi.

            THIS is why they have so much time to riot and burn down their communities day and night like in Ferguson.

          • Mike Smithy

            No government program has done more to destroy the black family than LBJ’s Great Society. The dogma managed to degrade black family formation at a faster rate than the most brutal slave holder. Fifty years and seven trillion dollars later, the evidence is quite clear that prosperity for blacks has continued to degrade on the Democrat Plantation.

            The pathologies put into place overwhelmingly resulted in the majority of black women raising families without a husband present. The government assumed the role of father figure and the concept was embraced in the black community. This fact has perpetuated the pathology of young black males associating with the gangster lifestyle and rejecting traditional routes of economic success.

            I am not aware of institutional prejudice. Evidence suggests the reverse is true. Case in point, I can’t even begin to tell you the number of law enforcement agencies that lower their threshold on standardized tests, illicit drug use and misdemeanor crimes committed by black applicants in an effort to recruit them.

          • T.

            Very well stated Mike.

          • peace angel

            You just went way over this guys head.

          • peace angel

            THERE ARE ZERO differences between the parties UNLESS they or their puppets in UNIONS are talking to you.

          • dominigan

            First, Unions contribute more money to politics than any other set of organizations… which makes Democrats beholden to rich contributors. Yes there are clear differences… Democrats are the historic party of slavery, segregation and racism. Democrat party leaders funded the start of the KKK. And now Democrats continue that with enslaving American workers. Follow the Republican party of freedom, which ended slavery and segregation and passed Civil Rights. Republicans have always believed in freedom, Democrats have always believed in lording over others… there is a very clear difference.

          • Kaspar_Goering

            What year was your history text book published – 1947? Indeed, the Democrat party did have a hand at protecting slavery since it was the Republican Abraham Lincoln that was fighting for the union and ending the rebellion of southern states. The democrat party was also powerful in the southern “Jim Crow” era as well.

            However, starting in the 1960’s and into the late 1970’s, the Democrat Party was fundamentally split apart by the Vietnam war and the Civil Rights movement. The Conservative Democrats were feeling out of place in a party of Negro Lovers. The final straw though was during Carter’s administration. There was a question about the tax-ability of Churches who had “Gift of the Month” programs. This frightened all of the most Conservative Religious Democrats to become Republicans.( Look up Phil Gramm as an example)

            All of the conservative Democrats took off their white robes and traded them for three piece suits and became Republicans. Now those same people formed the TEA party because the Republicans are not fascist enough.

          • peace angel

            YOU NEED TO KNOW WHO RUNS THE US AND WHO IS A SHADOW GOV. EMPLOYEE.

            SOROS, ALINSKY, ROTHSCHILDS, ROCKEFELLERS, VERNONS, WARBERGS AND BUFFET AND GATES ARE ALL DEMOCRATS AND ARE RUNNING THE US TODAY WITH THE KOCH BROTHER CONSERVATIVES.

            THERE ARE MANY MORE WEALTHY DEMS IN DC THAN THERE ARE RINOS.

            YOU NEED TO GO TO BEFORE IT’S NEWS THE US WHISTLE BLOWER SITE AND READ AND STOP TROLLING.

            YOU ARE BRAINWASHED AND PROPAGANDIZED TO THE MAX.

          • Kaspar_Goering

            You have been watching “On the Waterfont” too much.

          • Fact

            “are both fascists. The merger of state and corporate powers.”

            False.

          • dominigan

            Yes, we know they are the number one slush fund for political donations, but hush hush on billions of worker money being spent to sway elections. And you call Republicans fascists, COMRADE. If you really believe what you say is true, then you believe in voter id (since union elections require id to vote), and workplace vote intimidation.

          • Kaspar_Goering

            You are clearly deluded as well as inexperienced about how Labor Unions conduct business. In my local union, there are about 8000 members. Our local union has to spend almost $60,000.00 (yes $60 K) on each election for officers it has.Mostly due to the onerous laws and regulations that Reagan places on labor unions. Every cent that a union spends on political activity has to be reported to the general membership as well as the NLRB. And the members are well aware that the union spends most of its PAC money on labor friendly candidates. There are no labor friendly Republicans so it kinda narrows it down a bit.

            As Ruth Ginsberg noted in her dissension on the Texas ID case, the imposition of a requirement for identification to exercise ones right to vote essentially can be defined as a poll tax to prevent citizens from exercising their franchise rights.

          • Mike Smithy

            How is it a poll tax when the state of Texas has offered free ID’s for citizens that can’t afford one? Ginsberg is a political hack and her argument rings hollow.

          • Kaspar_Goering

            You are well aware, as all people who are politically astute, that the more people who vote Democrats usually win. The main strategy that Conservatives have to win elections is to disenfranchise as may voters as possible. That is the only purpose for Voter ID.

          • Patrick White

            This is why I left the US, you love your Unions so much you have no Manufacturing Jobs left… Germany does.. and they lowered the Unions powers dramatically.

          • Zip

            Laughable. The most democratic you say. Last time I checked, unions were still pushing for open voting so that everyone can see how everyone else votes so that they could punish anyone who didn’t vote right. Can you say fascist? I new you could. They also oppose open shops, where an individual can choose not to be a member of the union. Ah choice, such a terrible terrible thing to have. How about the countless stories I’ve heard from union members that have been told by their union they can’t use certain tools or methods that will get a job done faster, better and more efficiently, because they only care about making the employer pay more and nothing about whether the very company that employs them does well or not. See Detroit.

            There are two sides to this coin I am only describing some of the bad because you have taken all of your time arguing the other side. If you ever want to see unions do well agin in this country, you have to open your mind and see what went wrong with unions, where they were corrupt, and why they failed. You can sit there in your dark little corner and blame blame blame everyone else if you want, but it really won’t change anything until you can open your eyes and see the light. Then get to fixing the problem.

          • Mike Smithy

            Well stated, I guess Democrats really aren’t pro-choice when it comes to working in an open shop.

      • jakartaman

        They could go to China and find out.

      • peace angel

        LESS than a half a percent of workers are part of a UNION. HARDLY a big platform to pattern after.

      • clipper

        Unions are a big reason for the problems. When someone with barely a high school education running a frickin’ backhoe, or turning a wrench in an auto plant line can make 3-5 times what an engineer designing high-tech electronics can make, there’s a serious problem.

        Assembly line work is not much more than a minimum wage job, not $30+/hr. Working a backhoe is not worth much more than that either. I’m sick of THAT inequality.
        (And anyone who says the mob doesn’t *still* run the unions is deaf and blind.)

        • Kaspar_Goering

          You are wrong in your assumptions. Why does the Union backhoe operator make more than the engineer? Because he joined his fellow brothers and DEMANDED a higher, more liveable wage.

          The trend in American business today is to hire engineers from India or Pakistan and pay them about $6000 dollars A YEAR. I was on a job recently where the engineer and designer were in India and E-mailed their design changes to the job.

          There is no problem when workers unite and demand better wages and benefits for themselves. Your problem is that you think that you have to do that all by yourself. Because by joining or forming a Union you would have to give some of the credit for your success to other people. So, basically, it’s YOUR SELFISHNESS that is preventing you from joining with others and demanding better wages.

      • Ugly Truth

        Your a dinosaur that the Oligarchs are going to exterminate within 20 years. Obama is going to legalize amnesty and 12,000,000 Mexicans are going to take the place of uppity laborers as they bring back manufacturing from overseas but will also overturn every OSHA and idustrial safety and environmental regulation they want, and they’ll get it because this country will so desperate for jobs all who stand in the way will be destroyed amongst cheering crowds.

    • Donald Wilson

      The majority of the politicians have bought and paid for by either the Wall Street Banksters or the To Big To Fail Corporations. These POS don’t give a damn about the people or this country…The End

    • peace angel

      I AGREE WITH YOU 100% AND I FOR ONE DO NOT BLAME YOUR GENERATION. I BLAME YOUR PARENTS.

      LOTS OF YOUNG PEOPLE ARE GETTING OUT NOW TOO. GO TEACH ENGLISH IN A HAPPIER, FAR LESS EXPENSIVE PLACE AND BE HAPPY. THIS IS NOT YOUR FAULT.

      GET A JOB WITH A MULTINATIONAL COMPANY AS ALL MY NIECES AND NEPHEWS DID AND MOVE.

      I AM NOT YELLING. COULDN’T FIND MY GLASSES.

      I HAVE WORKED WITH KIDS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD IN SKI RESORTS FOR YEARS, BECAUSE MILLENNIALS WON’T TAKE LOW PAYING JOBS AND
      THESE KIDS KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE AND DO NOT WANT TO STAY.

      THERE ARE MUCH HAPPIER COUNTRIES TO LIVE AND THRIVE IN. ABOUT 5-6 MILLION PEOPLE HAVE LEFT THE US FOR GOOD SINCE 2008 AND ARE NOT COMING BACK.

      GO TO EXPAT BLOGS. THERE ARE LOTS OF PLACES FOR YOUNG PEOPLE WHERE YOU CAN LEAVE THIS ALL BEHIND. THE US IS THE MOST PROPAGANDIZED NATION ON EARTH AND THAT WILL NOT GO AWAY.

      JUST GET OUT AND GO FIND PEACE.

    • clipper

      Actually, Tom, I’m 56, and I can say most of the same things. Except of course for the debt level. But other than that, yeah.

    • Zach Watkins

      Dear Tom: Do you think America is a Great Depression by another name? I’m a Millennial, 29, and I’ll tell you most of us are politically stupid and don’t know what is best for ourselves. I stand by those words.

  • Priszilla

    I don’t know about the US. In Europe homes ate part of an inheritance. Going to the grand child. When the grand parents live longer, the kids will get that house later.

    • Jane the Plummer

      American dream: buy a home on govt rented land.

      • Priszilla

        ??? Strange.
        I’d rather buy the land first, and then build a home on it. In line with local regulations regarding style, height, fire safety, geology, etc.
        Otherwise it’s just like putting your own tent inside a rented apartment.

  • AussieLouis

    Thee goes America; of the stupid!

  • DeadManFromIndia

    you are just resembling the world a bit more unlike the past. Not so bad I think.
    But yeah, higher education is a scam, very few well paying jobs and too many claimants for it. And too many take up higher education in a bid to bag the big paying jobs.
    The problem will take care of by itself as the allure of higher education fades.

  • Orange Jean

    Please qualify that “we”… (as in “we told them). It was their helicopter parents and Commie Core teachers who told them they could be anything they wanted to be, if they were good little doo bees… and that they were “amazing” no matter what they did!

    • Priszilla

      From dishwasher to millionaire by watching reality tv.

  • A.S.

    I couldn’t answer any of the TV questions because I am smart about things that matter and avoid all that junk that doesn’t matter. And I still can’t find a job even though I am more intelligent than most applicants for any given position I apply for.

    I have a BA in Political Science and Economics, a Computer Programming Certificate, Paralegal Certificate (this was actually 27 credits which I completed in ONE SEMESTER, so don’t call it nothing), and a lot of other skills such as being able to research and write.

    At the same time, I still have massive college debt, after graduating in 1996, massive credit card debt, don’t own my own home, no spouse, no children, and constantly get rejected for jobs. This economy is broken and there is no fixing it.

    At least I can teach people about what is happening in the world, from the news I get at sites like this. I don’t take any medication, vaccines, antibiotics, or the like. I live a healthy and natural lifestyle. I don’t engaged in the entertainment industry and I fill my mind with things that really matter. If I will be unemployed at least I can fill my days with healthy, moral, intellectual pursuits.

    • Kaspar_Goering

      You colud be an excellent candidate for being either a union organizer or business agent. Check your local IBEW (International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers) or even you local United Associates (metal pipe trades) They could use a good candidate like you.

      • Priszilla

        With no income and lots of debt he’s perfect for any government.

    • Priszilla

      Political science, legal and typewriters are a dime a dozen.
      All filippino housekeepers in hk have a college degree in accounting, commerce, or business. Can’t find a job at home. And graduates in hk just have the same useless degrees.

    • danbax

      you should build a website and share your knowledge and earn a living from that. people still search the web for information

  • Orange Jean

    Michael,

    I would like to point out also that all the Millennials who I know personally know who live at home … are all working and making very good money, but spend like mad, don’t have any self discipline, and have parents who have encouraged that behavior. For example, two of those I know living at home…. when they got a very good internship (paid about $50K a year, but only for 2-3 years) went out and immediately bought a brand new car, very expensive… one a Camry, the other a BMW…

    I do know that’s not everyone, but even so…

    • Kaspar_Goering

      It’s very common to see young business people who have never made a profit from their business to have expensive cars. They manipulate the system just like any welfare recipient, yet they look down on them.

  • Orange Jean

    A few big difference in the times I grew up in (50s and 60s) vs. the Millennial had to do with expectations of your parents.

    In my family, my parents gave all of us chores we were required to do, but would give us a small (token) allowance for. I got 50 cents a day for babysitting my 4 younger brothers and was also encouraged to save some of that and also expected to pay for some things I wanted out of that. I wanted to go to a 2 week overnight Girl Scout camp, but my parents wouldn’t pay for it… I had to save my babysitting money for the entire year to pay for it, but then I got to do.

    My parents also expected each of us to start looking for a part-time job the day we turned 16. Any job would do… my first job was in the hospital kitchen, paid $1.25 an hour plus a meal during my shift. And when you found that job, we had to hand over half our pay check to mom and dad for “room and board”… to contribute to the family, even if they didn’t economically need it, because it would teach us the value of money. We were also then expected to save half of the rest and buy our own clothes with what remained. THOSE expectations are what gave us a foundation for understanding the value of money and how to live within your means.

    • MadAsHellYankee

      In 1968 the minimum wage was in the area of a $1.50 or so. Indexed for the “offical” inflation number it should be at least $17 an hour today. Oh, but the people who are making $8 an hour should just “work harder” right? As someone in their early thirties who has been fortunate enough to do very well, I utterly despise people of your generation who have no idea what is going on today for people and just want to place the blame on them because they got born into a command economy that has nothing fair or free market about it.

      • Orange Jean

        The minimum wage for hospital workers in 1966-68 or thereabouts was $1.25. They allowed a lower minimum wage for hospital workers, I never understood why…

        If your adjustment for inflation is correct (economics isn’t my forte)… that means that with over 20 years of experience and a Master’s degree, I am making now about $2.50 in 1968 wages. I guess if that’s the case, I’m not doing as well as I thought.

        You sound like another hater. Why would you make the assumption that people of my generation have “no idea what is going on today for people”? I work with a bunch of people who call themselves Millennials (about 80% of the people in my department). Are you assuming I never talk to them of listen to anything they say (if that is your assumption… you would be wrong about that).

        (What the heck is a “command economy”?)

        When I was a kid, if we complained to my father about “its not fair”… the response we always got was “life’s not fair”. I think he was right.

  • Kaspar_Goering

    This is all a result of the Republicans War against Organized Labor. In 1983 the PATCO union of air traffic controllers went on strike for better working conditions and pay. Reagan summarily fired the strikers and by refusing to negotiate “in good faith” as required by labor law in America, Reagan broke the law. But because people have been propagandized to think that Unions are “bad” most of the country just shrugged their shoulders and went back to work.

    However, that action had a chilling effect on Americas Labor Unions. In the 1950’s no one questions the fact of the widespread middle class prosperity. And America was almost 25% unionized at the time. Now with labor unions having a share of less then 5% of the workforce, no wonder wages and benefits have been stagnant.

    This last election showed a disconnect between hard core Conservative Republicans and the electorate. Four states that had massive majorities in Republican victories also had initiatives on the ballot for raising the minimum wage. As anyone who is politically astute understands, the minimum wage is a LIBERAL DEMOCRAT idea that Republicans have been opposing since being first established during the Great Depression. Yet in those Red states the raises for minimum wage were passed with huge margins. So the electorate is either being bambozeled by the Republicans or they are Propagandized potential Democrats.

    • Pissedoffdad

      Have you ever been a member of a union? Either that or you must be a union pres or the b.a. Because I have and let me teach you something about unions here. First you have to be buddy buddy with the ba just to get work, then if you want to get work that pays that little bit more well you not only need to be buddies but hey little gifts or a fishing trip never hurt
      I was in a carpentry union in Boston for over a decade and I left because the only time I heard from them at the end was after I’d been out of work for two years I lost a fingertip in a fight with a table saw. They didn’t call to put me to work or to see how they could help any other way, oh no I got a call….after never getting return calls either…no I finally get called cause I missed a month of dues. Do get this through your unionified full of the bs they want you to believe head
      You either must work high up for a union or you have never worked for one and you just believe in the Hoffa era of unions

      • Kaspar_Goering

        I’ve been a member of the IBEW for 20 years. It is the business managers job to ensure that dues are properly paid to keep the local funded. And it’s the hard work of the local BA’s and organizers that help you get those well paying Union jobs.

        May be YOU should have been a little more pro active in your approach. Nobody is going to hand you something on a silver platter every day. That’s the reality of life.

        Get grateful for what others have died to provide to you. Unless you see yourself as on of these modern day sunshine Patriots who just complain about everything.

        • jakartaman

          Unions were started by communist. Union philosophy is communism. Those are facts Jack

          • Gay Veteran

            oh noez! the communist boogeyman. BOO

          • Kaspar_Goering

            Unions were NOT started by “communists.” They were started by working folk who were tired and angry at the conditions they had to suffer through just to make a living. While there may be similar ideals, big “C” communism as practiced by the old Soviet Union was actually anti-Union. Local Union organization was too democratic for their dictatorial policies.

            Unions are the best example of Capitalists and Workers coming together for a common goal.

          • jakartaman

            You are absolutely wrong.
            Unions are the reason why our public schools are a joke = Its the reason why government employees are useless brain dead zombies.
            Union are going the way of the way blackberry’s. SOO over

          • Jane the Plummer

            You get the Gold Star.

        • goldminer

          “I’ve been a member of the IBEW for 20 years. It is the business managers job to ensure that dues are properly paid to keep the local funded”
          Hmmm …… Is that another way of saying you are a strong arm man? How many legs have you broken?
          That being said. I have one other thing… Unions suck!
          I live in a Right to work State.
          I am fiercely anti union.
          I live well and have prospered without the help of some commie union. I work for a company that employs over 1600 non union people. Mention the U word around my place of employment and we will gladly tar and feather you and run you out the front gates on a rail.
          All unions have ever been to me as a worker. Is an impediment to my prosperity

          • Kaspar_Goering

            Everybody has to make a living. I understand that. However, the truth is the only reason why your work situation seems so pleasant is because your boss doesn’t want a Union. So, in essence, the Union has helped your situation whether you know it or not.

            Without Unions you would have nothing to compare to. Unless you want to live like people do in third world countries. Because the truth is, if your Boss could run your shop at third world wages he would. Don’t think that you are special and indispensable to your work place. Its when workers stand together and defend one another that real progress takes place.

          • goldminer

            Maybe you did not read my post. I LIVE IN A RIGHT TO WORK STATE ! Unions are very weak or non existent here. I can only think of 2 union offices in my whole town. No there is no fear by our “bosses’ that the employees will unionize. Because WE DONT WANT TO!
            Oh and by the way My company is global. It does operate in third world countries. They pay their employees in these countries a very good liveable wage. They are treated as well as we are in North America.
            The Company I work for was just voted the “Best Place To Work” in the town where I live.
            I am a blue collar worker have lived & worked NON UNION all my long 40 plus year working career and have prospered. I have always worked hard for the companies who employ me and have fairly compensated. If I did not like them I simply found a better place to work for. I am NON UNION. I can do anything, and work anywhere I choose… Well except a union shop in a union state.
            I am not a slave to a certain job or trade. I am not under some Union Boss’s thumb. I Am Free!

          • Kaspar_Goering

            “Right to Work” only means the “Right to Work for Less.”

            Right to work legislation is specifically designed to destroy Labor Unions even though the right to be part of an organization that wishes to collectively organize is guaranteed by the Federal Government as well as America’s founding documents. I wish you good will in your endeavors. However, don’t be fooled into destroying my rights just to make your boss feel good.

            I wonder if you have a defined benefit pension? Or maybe a defined contribution annuity? As a retired member of a labor union I receive a defined benefit pension. Which means that I am guaranteed a minimal amount each month until I die. I know many young people who have 401k’s and have withdrawn most of their money just to pay the bills. Yes, it is their money, but since there is no group contributing, they will be out of luck when it comes time to retire.

            Don’t make the mistake that you are “free” simply because you may be working. For one day you WILL get old and need to set down your tools. Are you prepared for that?

          • goldminer

            Of course I am prepared for my retirement. When I choose to do so. I could retire today. I have plenty of money. I don’t rely on some stupid union or the government to provide me with a little pittance so I can buy some bread and water.
            I can take care of myself thank you very much.
            I like to work. My job gives me a great to reason to get up in the morning… or afternoon. I work rotating shifts. It keeps me young and happy. I like the people I work with. They are almost like family. When you spend 12.5 a day hours with your coworkers. you get to know them pretty well.
            As a union azz licker, you must be shocked that someone would want to and enjoy working 12.5 hours a day. Yes it is a slave driver schedule. I work an astounding 14 days a month. Yes there is overtime. The company is asking for volinteers to work over the Thanksgiving holliday . Double time and a half. OOOH! shock! what a bunch of slave drivers.
            I work with people who have been with our company for over 25 years.Their pensions are worth in the 7 figure range. ( Thats millions for you union workers who cant get past 3 zeros.)
            Neither my wife or I are educated or union. We both work, enjoy our jobs, and make a great living, and are looking forward to our retirement when we choose to stop working.
            Living happy, free, and NON UNION!
            Right to work =Wealth.

          • Kaspar_Goering

            I’m actually happy for you and your success. But, please, don’t disrespect those workers who wish to be part of Collective Bargaining agreements. For many people are not as lucky as you are. Without Unions in America you wouldn’t have anything to compare your situation to.

            It was the Unions that demanded timely pay.
            It was the Unions that ended Child Labor.
            It was the Unions that established an 8 hour day.
            It was the Unions that ensured employees could take Saturday and Sunday off to worship at the church of their choice.
            It was the Unions that demanded safe working conditions.
            It was the Unions that established Defined Benefit Pensions so that workers could retire with dignity.

            There is a lot that you have that you WOULD NOT have if it were NOT for the Union.

            Solidarity Forever!!!

          • peace angel

            IN the 70’s they infiltrated the casinos in Lake Tahoe and tried to get recruits. We had already been taught by our parents they were commie theft organizations and we ran them out of town.

            ALWAYS did far better than the Casinos that unionized.

        • Pissedoffdad

          Here you go and then I’m going back to the real world
          You pay your dues for the “big wigs” to sign jobs and companies to the union however you also pay those working dues for them to put you to work, in the order of the list…. They are not supposed to determine who goes to work by sending buddies or whoever is willing to give them a portion of their pay ( otherwise known as a payoff ) which is what most of the guys I worked with dealt with.
          So your idea of being pro active as you say is what go ahead and buy off the ba or president or are you going to join the real world someday and man up to say something about all the bs going on. See there are a lot of people on here that love to tell everyone else what they should be doing to right the wrongs but most of them, probably like yourself will never come out of the basement to do it themselves.
          Oh and just an FYI but see I’ve been blacklisted in every carpenters local I’ve talked to because I decided to do the right thing and contacted regional and then I contacted the guy in Vegas and the guys in Washington
          And 8 yrs later I can’t even get a ba to sit with me to talk about joining even if I wanted to
          So you can go serve your local and be a number for the rest of your days….myself I enjoy working for myself and the perks that come with that

          • Kaspar_Goering

            You obviously have some kind of beef for some kind of personal injustice. Have you ever wondered if it was YOUR MISTAKE that caused you situation? Most people I know who talk about having a bad experience at the Union usually instigated it themselves and insisted that it was the BA or some organizer that wronged them.

            You pay dues to your local Union because it’s the right thing to do. If nobody payed their dues there would be no job office or dispatch coordination. I’m not sure about the Carpenters since Mc Carron really screwed you by going all “Family Values” on yous guys. However, my experience with the IBEW has not involved a single incident of “payola.” All I know is, especially when you are traveling, is “..do as the Romans do..” However, I have never had to “kickback” any of my earned wages to any corrupt Union officials.

            When I worked Non-Union, especially on prevailing wage jobs it was expected that you would give a kickback for working. That was one of the reasons why I joined the Union so I wouldn’t have to do that anymore.

          • Pissedoffdad

            Your right I do have a beef with the boston locals however it’s a beef that I have along with almost the entire membership of the local at the time quick was about 500 guys….hell I would love to be in the electricians or pipe fitters local cause most of them have it great and most don’t realize it at all. I’ve made more non union than I could ever dream about in the union because in there you are a number outside you actually have to have this thing called skill to keep a job
            I’ll give you to other examples why the unions are bs
            And I’ll even give the benefit of doubt here saying you probably are in a well established well run local…I wasn’t I lost one of my jobs because I needed to take a week off of work to get married when I was in…since then I’ve taken my first vacation in 20 yrs…I even got to take a couple days off for my kid being born. Here’s a good one for you when I was a first yr apprentice I was put to work sheathing a roof in the dead of winter by myself and a journeyman who was best friends with our ba at the time. Ok so rafters covered in snow and ice and this guy asked me this…do we start at the top or bottom. Think on that a bit
            Now maybe you have it good and if so great for you but myself and many others ( there is a reason union members come to boards like this to recruit) but there’s a reason we all like to work in the private sector
            See I don’t get told all u can make is x anymore oh and your boss can’t give you any type of bonus either
            Now I earn what my skill makes me…which is a whole hell of a lot more than I ever made on any union job

          • Kaspar_Goering

            I see. So it WAS a bad attitude on your part. I have asked for time off without any kind of fear of retribution. Unless it was on a specified overtime job that needed everyone to show up. Even then if I needed to take time off I did. I even stayed home a few times when they called me for some hot project. However, when I did work I put in 110% every time.

            There are plenty of contractors to work for. And all the foremen are a-holes. So what?

      • peace angel

        My brother has been a commercial pilot for four decades and none of them defend their UNION.

    • MadAsHellYankee

      Public sector unions are doing quite well at everyone else’s expense. I like paying for teachers who make double the average income of an area and produce test scores the lowest outside of Somalia. Money well spent.

      • Kaspar_Goering

        You can thank Ronald Reagan for that. By destroying Americas Industrial base, instead of the good paying jobs in the private sector, they are in the public sector. People are going to work where the money is. That is why America has a shortage of skilled tradesmen.

      • rentslave

        The teachers can’t make something out of nothing.Demography is destiny.

    • loonion

      I think we can all recall the unions proudest moment. It occurred when bj billy clinton ordered the union President to stand on stage, with a plate of steaming feces ( called NAFTA). The union President hungrily licked his lips and proclaimed, ” Mmmmm delicious what a cook”, As bj billy signed our children’s livelihoods away. Keep your marxist, romantic propaganda in your bedroom. As for reality, I survived carter’s America and every demoroids since.

      • Kaspar_Goering

        You need to remember that in spite of the Republican propaganda, Bill Clinton was really a Conservative Democrat. His signing of the NAFTA agreement was in his neo-liberal persuasion. Much like the Democrats during Reagan, he went along with many Republican policies because no one really knew what the results would be.
        However, do not dismiss the fact that NAFTA was a two way agreement. Mexico did not live up to it’s promise to allow more Organized labor to help lift the wages of Mexican workers. As well as the environmental provisions that Mexico just ignored.
        Because Clinton did much that was good, like shift more of the tax burden to the wealthy, I give him a pass on NAFTA.

        • loonion

          “Bill Clinton was really a Conservative Democrat.”
          No, he’s a serial rapist and abuser, who unquestioningly obeyed and executed his masters orders.
          Dems in general and obama in particular are ‘true believers’. They worship satan openly and unashamedly.
          “Because Clinton did much that was good, like shift more of the tax burden to the wealthy, I give him a pass on NAFTA.”
          Why of course you do. Can’t be a good ‘democrat’ without worshiping bj billy, now can you ?
          I think it’s too far gone to fix at this point. Even if it were still possible, there are far too many ‘simple’ people, such as yourself for me to expend the energy necessary to try.
          Why risk life and limb to fix anything for you stool samples ?
          I’ll be hunkered down, riding the storm out, laughing as you bleat- waaaaaaa. Richly enjoying your self inflicted destruction.

          • Kaspar_Goering

            So you were not doing well in the 1990’s?

            Here is a good story to show you who the real Satan Worshipers are today:

            Matthew 4:1-11
            4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
            2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
            3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
            4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
            5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
            6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
            7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
            8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
            9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
            10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
            11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

            Modern day Christianity focus on three primary ideas: Health, Wealth and Miracles.

            Satan offered Jesus to make bread out of stones: Health

            Satan offered Jesus the whole of what He saw: Wealth

            Satan suggested that Jesus throw himself off a cliff so Angels could save Him: Miracles

            So the only conclusion I can come to is that Modern day Christians are Satan worshipers.

            While you are freezing in your bunker, I’ll be eating the food that YOU paid with YOUR TAXES at the FEMA camp.

          • loonion

            You can quote Scripture, yet are unable to rightly divide the Word of Truth. No surprise there.
            As for mainstream churchianity, it’s not my deal. I saw it selling out in the 80’s an abandoned it. Note – churchianity, not Christianity. Big difference.
            “I’ll be eating the food that YOU paid with YOUR TAXES”
            How is that any different than the present ?
            P.S. I won’t be freezing in my bunker. Unlike you stool samples, Some of us have genuine, actual skills. We didn’t sell our souls to the government.
            P.P.S. I’m a MAN, unlike yourself. I’ll die on my feet because I refuse to live on my knees.
            Enjoy groveling before the boot of your satanic savior as you lovingly lick the dog poop from his heel.

          • Kaspar_Goering

            If you get in your bunker, then all I can conclude it that you gave up on America. I though the same as you did until I did a bit of Gedankenexperiment:

            A thought experiment or Gedankenexperiment (from German) considers some hypothesis, theory,[1] or principle for the purpose of thinking through its consequences. Given the structure of the experiment, it may or may not be possible to actually perform it, and if it can be performed, there need be no intention of any kind to actually perform the experiment in question. The common goal of a thought experiment is to explore the potential consequences of the principle in question.

            Thought experiment
            From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

            OK, so you get into your bunker and the “Golden Hordes” are coming at you. You take out your trusty sniper rifle and start picking off people at 300 yards away.

            After a few days, the pile of rotting corpses are smelling up your bunker, but you still keep at it.

            Now it’s been a week, or has it? You cant tell since you haven’t slept for days killing people with your sniper rifle. However, you reach over to your ammo can and it is EMPTY.

            The people outside realize that rifle fire is NOT comming from the bunker so they get closer to investigate. Since they are as armed as you are, but numbering in the hundreds, they easily envelope your compound and remember what you did to the hundreds of their Comrades.

            What happens next is a wet dream for Dr Mengele….

    • Gay Veteran

      who got NAFTA passed which resulted in millions of American jobs being moved overseas?
      CLINTON

      • Kaspar_Goering

        You need to remember that in spite of the Republican propaganda, Bill Clinton was really a Conservative Democrat. His signing of the NAFTA agreement was in his neo-liberal persuasion. Much like the Democrats during Reagan, he went along with many Republican policies because no one really knew what the results would be.

        However, do not dismiss the fact that NAFTA was a two way agreement. Mexico did not live up to it’s promise to allow more Organized labor to help lift the wages of Mexican workers. As well as the environmental provisions that Mexico just ignored.

        Because Clinton did much that was good, like shift more of the tax burden to the wealthy, I give him a pass on NAFTA.

      • Kaspar_Goering

        You need to remember that in spite of the Republican propaganda, Bill Clinton was really a Conservative Democrat. His signing of the NAFTA agreement was in his neo-liberal persuasion. Much like the Democrats during Reagan, he went along with many Republican policies because no one really knew what the results would be.
        However, do not dismiss the fact that NAFTA was a two way agreement. Mexico did not live up to it’s promise to allow more Organized labor to help lift the wages of Mexican workers. As well as the environmental provisions that Mexico just ignored.
        Because Clinton did much that was good, like shift more of the tax burden to the wealthy, I give him a pass on NAFTA.

        • Gay Veteran

          remember Clinton also allowed a few corporations to control over 90% of the media, and that control is being used to manipulate us.
          the man lied under oath and should have been removed from office.
          but some people won’t let their political theology be challenged.
          you need to start listening to Gerald Celente, a political atheist who recognized that republicans and democrats are like the Bloods and the Crips

    • rentslave

      Reagan gave them 48 hours to go back to work,but Jimmy Carter didn’t give the postal workers one minute in 1978.

      • Kaspar_Goering

        The Postal Workers Strike of 1978 was a “wildcat” strike. It was not being endorsed by the AFL-CIO or the national boards of the local postal unions. And the action took five days to resolve itself, much more than the one minute that you describe.

  • Ian Beattie

    Matthew 24:6-14

    “You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end. “For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes. “But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs.

    “Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. “At that time many will fall away and will betray one another and hate one another. “Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many. “Because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will grow cold. “But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved. “This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.

    • MadAsHellYankee

      The bible… yeah.. that’ll fix it.

      • Ian Beattie

        The Bible! Yeah! That’ll fix it!

        • GSOB

          Fulfilled

  • K

    If a pupil graduates from school, and yet is an idiot. Whose fault is it, the student or the teacher? This insane notion, that you can go through life, without dealing with anything unpleasant. That is one of the main problems. History can be very unpleasant, so do not teach it. Politics can be unpleasant, so do not be involved. Finding and exposing corruption, very unpleasant. Let someone else do that. The list just never ends. Once you could have asked society as a whole, what are you prepared to do about it? They would have torn the education system down, and rebuilt it. Now, ask the same question. All you hear are crickets. Student loan debt, a setup from the word go. When they made it impossible, to dismiss this debt through bankruptcy. How could you not figure out, you were being setup? Oh right, thinking things through is unpleasant, can’t do that.

  • LazyIke

    Just chain the Bankruptcy Code back to allow Chapter 13 filings on student loans.

  • chris

    ‘What they don’t know is that the truth is that decades of incredibly foolish decisions are starting to catch up with us in a major way, and they just happen to be caught in the crossfire.’

    You’re still doing it Michael. I don’t understand why. You’re still making it seem that your leaders are just incompetent and stupid when the fact is they are far from it. The fact is that what has happened and is happening has been deliberately brought about by people who knew what the consequences were going to be of Globalization etc etc which they were cheerleaders for. Do you really understand just how corrupt, hypocritical, ruthless and self serving these people are?

    • Jane the Plummer

      Thats the whole point, “making the elites appear incompetent”. Alex Jones, Mark Levin, ect ect..spout the same jargon. When the country implodes, the masses will blame ‘stupidity’ !! Genius…

  • XSANDIEGOCA

    The government did the same thing with education as it did with housing as it did with medicine. Limitless funds for the asking. No questions asked. Too EZ terms. Students majored in degrees of no value. No adult asked just what the heck they planned to do with it?! A friend has a daughter who waited tables before she got her worthless degrees and is waiting tables after she got her worthless degrees. The only winners were found in the Education Industrial Complex (EIC) that peddled dreams and routinely jacked rates above the rate of inflation. Like the Housing Scam that finally peaked when it became apparent no one could pay back the loans, the Student Debt bubble is poised to pop. Congress knew what it was doing as it exempted student loan debt from bankruptcy. Lots of horror stories. My daughter in law tells me of a young couple, teachers, with an education debt burden close to 200K. They could pay a 1000/month for 15 years and still not pay it off! What to do? 1) Allow students to discharge their debts in bankruptcy. They will live with a diminished credit rating but are young and will live another day. 2) Limit the amount of funds borrowed for education loans to something reasonable, say 25K. The EIC will howl but they have grown fat and corrupt on Student Loans. Anytime the government enters the markets with liberal loans it creates massive bubbles almost every time. The Rent Seekers come out of the woodwork. Hopefully, everyone involved in this debacle will learn not to do it again but I doubt it.

  • Mike Smithy

    With ZIRP along with a -2% GDP saving rate, two negatives make a positive. Right?

    • T.

      Mike you qualify for a job with the Bureau of Lying Statistics in Washington, District of Criminals.

      • Jane the Plummer

        Lie Czar ?

  • Observer

    “Back in the year 2000, 80 percent of all men in their late twenties had a full-time job. Today, only 65 percent do.”

    You are very naive to think that the percentage of men would increase when there are so many women in the workforce today taking jobs which would otherwise been given to men and hence the perceived decline of men in the workforce.

  • jakartaman

    Good stupidity has consequences.
    Keep voting for socialist liberals – Kids
    How is that strategy working out for ya cumbaya!

    • jox

      You mean that with Bush, young people knew all these questions? It’s really surprising the level of sectarism needed to blame ‘socialist liberals’ for this problem.

    • Gay Veteran

      about as well as voting for corporatist republicans

    • jakartaman

      I guess you two were in a gay bath on November 4th this year and missed the election results. The messiah complex has been seen through and the emperor has no cloths

  • Black

    Perpetual war is all this country has left

  • trp878

    It’s about time they started to realize the govt. spews lies whichever way they want to try to make everything look “peachy keen”. Many of us know different. The economy is not getting better, no matter how the govt & or the main stream media try’s to spin it. The economy sucks and I sympathize with young people who are trying to secure an employment position or career. As long as the elitists keep telling you all is well, you’ll have hard times. Get rid of them & bring back businesses and then jobs will be created. We need college grads for some jobs and other people to do skilled and unskilled labor jobs. That is how money & then a great economy is generated.

  • Phil from Germany

    I am a German / Brit, I know more about your Country than most US colledge kids. Who came second in the US civil war ?. What is Jersey shore ?

    • T.

      That’s great Phil. Could you please come over here and help educate our millennials – Who could really care less?

      • Jane the Plummer

        Phil’s point was taken. And so were we. Great nation, we’re “#1″…

    • Jane the Plummer

      America sinks, Germany rises. If I am right, your govt fired up their printing presses years ago, you should be ok in a global meltdown.
      Umzug nach Deutschland in sects monaten

      • Phil from Germany

        All German Govts have been against any QE . Infact that is the big problem the ECB has with Merkel, she won’t play along. Our national economy is based on export, we have few natural resources. German industry is bieng hit hard right now. We get a cold, Europe gets bird flu !

  • Then What?

    Like the commenter below I am also an ex UAW worker. Never understood how the union consistently supported candidates who voted for free trade deals that killed American jobs. Here’s how it worked. NAFTA: Autoworker jobs went south as fast as the companies could move them. They told us that the layoffs and early retirements — partial pensions in many cases only a few hundred dollars — were offered. The companies told the unions that it was necessary to reduce the workforce to ensure survival and protect the remaining jobs. More of the same with the increased globalism when China entered the growing World Trade Organization. This led to the closure of many factories across the industry. Technology: More job loss under the pretense that the higher tech equipment would produce a need for more skilled jobs to replace the monotonous and repetitive or physically harmful jobs. Well, after the workforce was reduced to a fraction of what it had been in the 60s and 70s the company began complaining to the media that there were just too darn many retirees and way too many of those “non productive” jobs, you know, the ones that were supposed to be created when the technologies were adopted. So the same strategies sold to the unions as good business decisions designed to keep the corporations profitable, even viable, were now being referred to as unsustainable and union caused problems and the reasons for some to declare bankruptcy. Of course and as usual the public only hears what the corporations include in their press releases and naturally view those who lost their jobs as the cause of the problem. As one who’s been there I will admit that their were some employees who were trouble or even flat out bums. But the overwhelming majority of the thousands of workers I crossed paths with over the years were good Americans raising families, paying taxes and plowing those paychecks back into the local economies of their home towns. It’s certainly not confined to the auto industry. As has been addressed many times in The Economic Collapse, over 50,000 manufacturing facilities have been shuttered since Y2K. The evidence is everywhere as you drive through the country and witness the deteriorating buildings, homes and infrastructure. If only there had been a little more foresight. If only people would ask “then what.”

    • Sandbagger

      That giant sucking sound Ross Perot warned of concerning NAFTA. Everyone called him an “isolationist” for it.

      Being part of the global economy vs. an isolationist…hum, I wonder what most Americans would choose knowing what they do today!

  • Mondobeyondo

    Millennials are still playing by “the rules” that most of the rest of us were taught. That includes Gen X’ers and baby boomers too.

    You know the rules: study hard in high school, get good grades, a high score on the SAT test so you can get into a good college, spend the money for tuition, books, apartment, etc… – and when you graduate, a good paying job will be waiting for you. Spend some 20-30 years at that employer while working your way up (manager, CEO perhaps), and enjoy a comfortable retirement.

    What’s the matter? That worked fine in 1964, didn’t it? So, why won’t it work NOW?

    (Don’t answer. It’s a rhetorical question)

  • Mondobeyondo

    Economic inequality in America is worse than you thought.

    http://www.abc15.com/decodedc/new-report-economic-inequality-in-america-is-worse-than-you-think

    The current economic predicament may well become the “new normal”.

  • Discipleof Jesus

    This is a symptom of Divine judgment on the government of the United States . Ask yourself this , has American really been blessed since the founding of the anti-Christ state of Israel ? That state was in the planning stages as early as 1890s . I would post my opinion that America has not been blessed , but cursed the same way the false religion of Judaism has been under divine judgment .
    Shore this article is about “economics” , but there is NO escaping the 100% FACT that humanity has gone through the same cycle of judgment , repentance toward the Divine Creator , then prosperity for over 6000 years now . It is obvious that we , ALL humanity are in the start of the judgment phase (happening for last 100 years or so ) . Wars primarily since the advent of the Divine Logos are a judgment .
    8 words can swing the tide , yet we all fall short of
    REPENT and believe the gospel of Jesus Christ .
    Jesus Christ can work with the smallest amount of willingness in a human heart .
    The heart is in your head , not your chest

    • Kaspar_Goering

      I hate to tell you but Jesus was a Jew.
      Your antisemitism is showing.

      • rentslave

        To say that Jesus was a jew is the same as saying that Superman was really Clark Kent.

    • peace angel

      BEFORE their swearing in ALL our US Congressional members have been required to SWEAR allegiance to Israel. LOOK IT UP.

  • peace angel

    I recently saw one of these types of street interviews in which all the young people can name ALL the Kardashians but had no clue any of the answers about our country.

    THE US HISTORY classes we used to all attend were filled with lies and propaganda and today ALL the truths are on the History channel, the Nat’l Geo channel and more, but kids don’t watch TV.

    THEIR parents FAILED to teach them history, patriotism, volunteerism, ethics, scruples, respect, math, English and how to make change for a dollar.

    THEIR parents USED social media to baby sit them and they know precious little, but believe they are owed EVERYTHING their parents worked for decades to acquire and MORE.

    TODAY the biggest thing in the entertainment news is a real picture of Kim Kardashians bottom.

  • liberals_equal_human_excrement

    they voted for president ebola, so F them

  • peace angel

    I have been mentoring kids into real careers and trade businesses for four decades.

    AND the under 35 generation MOSTLY majored in what I call gas station degrees because 4 years will ONLY qualify them to start at the bottom of a company and likely NEVER reach the top.

    MOST kids today major in BUSINESS management and do four years BELIEVING they will come out and run a business.

    AND there are sooooo many psych majors because this is the we KNOW everything generation who have been taught NOTHING by their parents who are their friends and not parents. Parenting died a long time ago here.

    Psychology today is a completely useless degree even with a Masters degree. I directed two young women into the field and as soon as they were able got them to move into criminal justice and told them they had to get a doctorate and BOTH of them are in high paying jobs with the FEDS in shipping in San Diego and neither has any debt and both girls have been on their own since they were young teens and BOTH have no student loan debt and BOTH are in MED school today and will work forever doing whatever they want because there is NO shortage of crazy Americans and NO crime is growing every day.

    AND those with four year degrees will be trying to get these coveted spots until or unless they go back to school.

    THIS is why we import engineers, mathematicians, scientists, doctors and most professionals in the US who are the ONLY people making a really good living at all is because US kids are too lazy to study in these fields.

    • doaifhadohf

      Mathematicians, scients and doctors are public sector leeches. They suck on the public tax payer to make their ends meet. They are not “real” jobs.

      Mark my words, when the private sector collapses as is happening right now, the public sector will go along with it.

      • peace angel

        THEN THEY CAME FOR ME are some very famous last words from the HOLOCAUST produced by the same people who run the US.

        AFTER all the SWAT and LEO teams herd all the people into the concentration camps, the UN troops will be there to herd them in and NO ONE will save any of them.

        THOUSANDS of businesses are STILL going out of business daily in the US and 10,000 Seniors are retiring every day in the US and MOST are flat broke and the federal employees will have NO ONE TO PAY their outrageous salaries one day real soon.

        Mark my words, all roads lead to Concentration camps, RED ZONES in the US for everyone.

  • Rufus T Firefly

    They voted for Obama twice and they are getting exactly what they deserve- good and hard. But they are too busy texting pictures of Kim Kardashian’s butt to notice.

  • rentslave

    Since this is in Texas,Mexico would be the answer to the independence question.

  • Deeply Worried

    I find this very scary. I went to high school in the early to mid 80’s and we were taught who our political leaders were. In history we covered the basics of the civil war and also the fight for independence from Britain and the founding of this newly independent nation in 1776. We covered all this – and we were not especially smart or challenged. Very scary to see today’s youth so clueless about these historical milestones but know so much about “stars”. I’m scared for where this country is headed after seeing the above video. Very scared.

  • rentslave

    There will be a lot of more unemployment of citizens soon in New Jersey if the horse farms go out of business due to the ruling of a corrupt,racist judge who refuses to let Monmouth Park take sports bets.However,thousands of illegal aliens will soon populate the county after Red China buys the land and build slave factories.

  • danbax

    learn real skills. auto repair, warehousing, courier work, maintenance (there is always something needing repair ), landscaping, etc, etc

  • leena

    Having paid into Social Security since I was 15 years old, I resent the program being called a Ponzi scheme. The Social Security program was a trust that had a surplus until the “government” decided to help themselves to the money with no intention of ever repaying it. And now, the “burden” that it
    is creating to return the stolen money to the people who paid into the system via lifelong confiscation of money from their paychecks, is being politically manipulated to create division and conflict between the two generations. My hope for the Millennials is they will fight for the very things that have made
    America a light of hope to the world. The odds are great but information is empowering. For better understanding of the current path, see: The Mission Statement of the Council on Foreign Relations, then go to The Wolfowitz Doctrine, then to
    Agenda 21 and the Re-Wilding Institute. And while you are at it, call your senator and tell them ABSOLUTELY NO on the TPP. Good Luck to all.

    • danbax

      i just started watching a show on Netflix called the 100… they talk about depopulation like it is necessary and those that volunteer to be depopulated are doing it for the good of everyone

  • Ohio Loan Officer

    I am a Mortgage Loan Officer. I deal with a lot of 20 to 40 year olds and 1st time homebuyers. I see who’s employed and who is not:
    Woman with a Masters in Social Work. Unable to find a job in her field for 22 months after graduation has finally found a job making $14.75 an hour. Her husband with no college drives a forklift and makes $15 an hour. She has $80,000 in student loans to pay back.
    A 19 year old woman who graduated a Welding Tech program at her High School had 3 companies bidding against each other to hire her.
    Another 19 year old boy who just graduated from a similar Welding program was immediately hired and they are sending him to Electrician school so he he dual skills they can use him for.
    A guy who Graduated with a Batchelors in Accounting last year is making $15 an hour and happy to have found a job. He said every other Accounting opening wanted a minimum of 5 years experience. Some required 10!
    A 22 year old guy who graduated from a Diesel Mechanics program at his High School made $73,000 last year.
    Just a few examples.

  • Mikki2071

    This article makes some good points. Particularly a generation obsessed with entertainment and the electronic boxes that they’ve become addicted to. And, the student debt situation which is out of control. Is the economic structure fair and equal? No way! Never has been. But, there are some flaws in the arguments.

    Jason & Jessica and the house don’t apply. They listened to all the media hype on getting rich quick in housing and made a bad decision. Drop in value didn’t change the monthly payments. There’s no income from the house so cutting haircuts isn’t relevant. They used bankruptcy to bail out which in this case is a handout. Not accepting responsibility for anything is typical in the Millennials and this is another example.

    Student loans are piling up at such a rate because of bunch of the so-called “students” are quitting jobs and using these loans for living expenses. Another form of welfare. I heard of many borrowing $15,000/yr while taking 1 course at a community college or on-line university costing $350. One racked up $200,000 in student loans some of which went to a 3 month summer vacation in Europe and winter holidays in Hawaii. Ending up with no job. When the loans run out, they end up as part time burger flippers or store clerks. This has been growing by leaps and bounds and needs to get stopped. In my day, students had to meet academic requirements to get into college and went into fields where the jobs were. Today, it’s basically open enrollment and party time. A lot of these “colleges” don’t even require a high school diploma. Screw education, we run on money, money, money! The fundamental problem with the education system is very few are learning anything useful in the job market. “Movie appreciation” and “lesbian interpretive dance” aren’t high on employers qualification lists. So, the problems are self-inflicted to some extent.

  • A Mosley

    As much as we can complain about the horrible job market and the decline of the economy, to be fair we must take accountability for our individual actions as well. We live in an economy where we are trained to believe that we deserve an astounding income for doing absolutely nothing. We worship athletes and celebrities for their status. We see how they get paid and how theyre treated and in return, you have adults of all ages who will refuse a job based solely on income. We as Americans act very entitled without having to work. There are plenty of jobs with income that people refuse to take. If people really were concerned about debt, they would take a job that they could build from and make it work. We cant blame the economy for everything. That’s a cop out.

    • blubal jim

      It’s pretty obvious you haven’t been bitten yet, but don’t give up, your opportunity is waiting right around the corner.

  • Mondobeyondo

    The Millennials will be the first generation to have a lower standing of living in America than their parents, or any previous generation for that matter.

    And that is sad.

  • Melanippe

    If you suffer from point #1 and #2 above, you should look up Thomas McFreeman’s website “The art of debt guerrilla warfare: How to beat debt collectors when your back is against the wall.

  • GSOB

    The rise in the legal minimum-wage rate is a monument to the power of superficial thinking.

  • GSOB

    The ones who remain employed will receive higher wage rates, but fewer will be employed

    • danbax

      even so, companies are starting to use robots to replace them

  • GSOB

    Government is a way by which every individual believes he can live at the expense of everybody else.

  • GSOB

    When unions get higher wages for their members by restricting entry into an occupation, those higher wages are at the expense of other workers who find their opportunities reduced.

  • GSOB

    “What kind of society isn’t structured on greed? The problem of social organization is how to set up an arrangement under which greed will do the least harm; capitalism is that kind of a system.”

    – M.F.

  • GSOB

    “The young have always paid for the social security of the old. But what it used to be is that people, the young, would pay for the social security of their parents. Now the young pay for the Social Security of somebody else’s parents. And that’s a change for the worse and not the better. I think it’s a very unjust system.”

    – From “Milton’s Paradise Gained,” Uncommon Knowledge (2000)

  • ron17571

    It would be sad to graduate and there are no jobs. Or you get to compete with someone working for slave wages in India or Pakistan or China.

  • John Stephens

    No sympathy for Obama voters. You bought it, you pay for it!

  • blubal jim

    We’re rollin’ down hill like a snowball headed for hell……..stock up while you still can and lock n load, it’s gonna be one helluva rough ride folks.

  • whteshark

    Screw the millennials!

    Enjoy the third world hell hole you will inherit thanks to your votes for Owe-bama.

  • Thomas D Guastavino

    For years I could not figure out why colleges and universities were so liberal, blindly supporting every government program. Then it hit me. Years ago a bargain was struck. In return for their support, the government would continue to supply low-interest education loans and would not interfere when the colleges raised their tuitions into the stratosphere. The poor got grants, the rich were fine, but the middle class, convinced that the only path to success was a college education, blindly took on more and more debt. No wonder there is over one trillion in student loan debt with no end in sight.
    I wonder how long it will take before the middle class realizes how badly it was hoodwinked.

  • Darth Maul

    Millenials are screaming mad?

    Not at all.

    All they care about ist Apple, iPhone, Facebook and having fun at Daytona Beach.

    And forget about the “Occupy”-BS. Nothing was achieved.

    They even allowed the police to grope women.

  • smartypants

    Borrowed $60,000 to get an undergraduate degree 20 years ago. With intrest, that debt is now over $190,000. At 47, its clear I’ll never be able to pay it off. No bank will give me a mortgage. Now I drive a truck for a living. But hey, at least I got an education right? That’s all that matters. /sarc

    • Orange Jean

      I am trying to think of a way to comment on this without being so insulting you won’t hear what I have to say…

      But I think it would be helpful if you could provide more details on what mistakes you made that got you into this predicament. We do have some young people who have been asking for advice, how to avoid problems like that… at least you could possibly help one of them.

      I would suggest you answer these questions, if you are willing to do so:
      1) what did you study and did you ever (not just now) get work related to that degree?
      2) where did you go to school (that sounds like a huge debt for an undergrad degree, especially 20 years ago)?
      3) what have you been doing that you haven’t paid it off yet?
      4) why would you want to accumulate even more debt (mortgage) when you haven’t been able to manage the debt you already have?

      I ask those questions because I got my education only 10 years before you, under very difficult circumstances (I was at the time a single mother, with a teenager, getting no child support ever, and only got student loans)… yet managed to get a graduate degree for a lot less than you did, I paid off my student loans (which were almost 10% interest BTW) in 13 years, and did get work that paid much better than I had before getting my education. And I also have never owned a house, but decided about 6 years ago that it wasn’t worth going back into debt for and I do not regret that.

  • FortuneSeek3rz

    In all honesty the baby boomer generation SHOULD be wealthier. Their general morals are light years ahead of most millennials.

  • DeathtoAllBanksters

    “Many of them end up blaming themselves. Many of them think that they are not talented enough or that they didn’t work hard enough or that they don’t know the right people.”

    Blaming yourself is one thing. Having others, like your own family, blame you for all the reasons stated above is many times worse and more hurtful. People who are fluoridated sheep have no clue what’s going on – they see individuals as existing inside some kind of vacuum.

    The psychological scars induced by being destitute after working hard one’s whole life since childhood, and then being treated like a low-life…well, they ruin you forever.

    Expect marriage rates and birth rates to fall off a cliff in the coming years. Millennials will never dream of bringing another soul into this wretched world, nor will they have the capacity to sustain any kind of relationship.

  • peace angel

    I HAVE ESCAPED BEING BRAINWASHED BY THE LIARS SO NONE OF US WILL READ YOUR PROPAGANDA.

    YOU STILL DO NOT KNOW THERE IS ONLY ONE PARTY IN DC.

    • Kaspar_Goering

      How many Democrats do you know who want to destroy the Labor Unions in America?

      I thought so.

      So, in essence you lie when you say there is only one party.

      • peace angel

        WHAT I said since the beginning of this ridiculousness about labor unions is that they are a miniscule part of the work force and nobody cares about them.

        I also said when I was approached about forming a union in TAHOE while dealing NONE of us wanted one and NONE of us voted to have one.

        AND I do not lie. EACH party has been “tasked” with certain tasks to destroy the US and Unions are tasked to the Dems, but I never had anything in common with them. THEY are the idiot party of the nation.

        • Kaspar_Goering

          Only because you say so?

          Every conservative I have ever spoke to claims that the 1950’s were the best of times for America. It is no mistake to attribute that to Americas Labor Unions. Almost 20% of Americas workforce was unionized at the time. Even Americas top Republican at the time, Dwight D Eisenhower, was quoted as saying:

          Today in America, unions have a secure place in our industrial life. Only a handful of reactionaries harbor the ugly thought of breaking unions and depriving working men and women of the right to join the union of their choice. I have no use for those — regardless of their political party — who hold some vain and foolish dream of spinning the clock back to days when organized labor was huddled, almost as a hapless mass. Only a fool would try to deprive working men and women of the right to join the union of their choice.-Dwight D. Eisenhower

          Without Labor Unions there would be no such thing as Weekends, holidays, overtime pay, sick leave or even timely pay. What the Conservatives have done is make the Labor Unions their “scapegoat” for their failed policies.

  • Dantes

    Hey, they voted for it.

  • Bonnie

    I’ve been following the economy, stock market, BDI, and articles for over 10 years now. I have several news sites I follow. The problem I find with everyone is that everyone has an opinion and we all feed into one anothers opinion when it matches our own. Millions of us share the same opinion regarding our economy, end of times events, political upheaval, and we all share the same solutions for the most part. But that’s the end of it. We “share” on websites such as this, Facebook, WND, The Blaze, etc. But nobody actually acts on anything. I am in my 70s. I can only share whatever expertise or opinion I have. But the people in their 20’s, 30’s, 40’s, the people they are talking about here and more, the young ones. Nobody is acting! Nobody is leading! They are all just talking. Talk has never gotten anything done in all of history. Negotiations on a political level never work in the long run. We all know that. What are the Millennials doing besides screaming? Why, they’ve got their heads up their apps and in their blackberrys, of course. (sigh)…we are doomed by the present generation, and, of course, we raised them!

  • J

    I am a millenial stay at home mom with 3 small kids. My husband provides for us. We have no debt but we really don’t have a way to save money with our income. We had to stop putting into our 401k just to pay our bills, and we had to move to a cheaper state in order to be able to pay rent. Is it bad that I wish all the moms would quit and go home to their children so that our husbands can have jobs?

  • Kaspar_Goering

    Your fear of the New World Order is highly irrational. I sent you that link hoping that you could realize what the NWO actually is.The NWO IS AMERICA. It is the idea that men could rule themselves without a King or a Pope. This radical thinking came out of the Enlightenment period after the publication of Sir Isaac Newton’s Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica where he showed a world ruled by mathematical laws instead of a whimsical czar of the Heavens.

    Thomas Jefferson took this idea and realized that G-d would not give the secrets of nature to a fundamentally flawed creature. The idea that man could rule himself in a society of laws is what drove the Founders to create the United States.

    Were many of them Freemasons? Of course since freemasonry became a “fad” in the 18th century. Sorta like conspiracy buffs of today.

  • Kaspar_Goering

    A list of federal facilities with fences around them is NOT a list of FEMA camps.

    The problem with conspiracy theories is that EVERY FACT MUST WORK OR THE WHOLE THING IS A LIE.

    • peace angel

      ALL 800 OF THEM BEAR THE NAME OF RED ZONE.

      ON THE US ARMY HIRING SITE THEY HAVE FOR A DECADE BEEN HIRING ‘INTERNMENT GUARDS’ WHOSE JOB DESCRIPTION RIGHT ON THEIR SITE IS TO IMPRISON US CITIZENS AND TAKE THEM TO THESE CAMPS FOREVER.

      I DON’T REPEAT LIES AND PEOPLE WITH ZERO KNOWLEDGE ON A SUBJECT THIS BIG, SHOULD STOP TROLLING AND SIT BACK AND LISTEN.

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