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14 Facts That Prove That The Number Of Children Living In Poverty This Christmas Is At A Record High

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Children - Public DomainDid you know that 65 percent of all children in the United States live in a home that receives aid from the federal government?  We live at a time when child poverty in America is exploding.  Yes, the U.S. economy is experiencing a temporary bubble of false stability for the moment, but even during this period of false stability the gap between the wealthy and the poor continues to rapidly expand and the middle class is being systematically destroyed.  And sadly, this is having a disproportionate impact on children.  This is happening for a couple of reasons.  First of all, poorer households tend to have more children than wealthier households.  Secondly, most people tend to have children when they are in their young adult years, and right now young adults are being absolutely hammered by this economy.  As a result, things just continue to get even worse for children living in this country.  Here are 14 facts that show that the number of children in America living in poverty this Christmas is at an all-time record high…

#1 The National Center for Children in Poverty says that 45 percent of all U.S. children belong to low income families.

#2 According to a Census Bureau report that was released just this week, 65 percent of all children in America are living in a home that receives some form of aid from the federal government…

“Almost two-thirds (65 percent) of children,” said the Census Bureau, “lived in households that participated in at least one or more of the following government aid programs: Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC), Medicaid, and the National School Lunch Program.”

#3 According to a report recently released by UNICEF, almost one-third of all children in this country “live in households with an income below 60 percent of the national median income”.

#4 When it comes to child poverty, the United States ranks 36th out of the 41 “wealthy nations” that UNICEF looked at.

#5 An astounding 45 percent of all African-American children in America live in areas of “concentrated poverty”.

#6 40.9 percent of all children in the United States that are living with only one parent are living in poverty.

#7 These days, a lot of single mothers are really, really struggling to survive.  A decade ago, the number of women in America that had jobs outnumbered the number of women in America on food stamps by more than a 2 to 1 margin.  But now the number of women in America on food stamps actually exceeds the total number of women that have jobs.

#8 It is hard to believe, but right now 49 million Americans are dealing with food insecurity.

#9 According to a report that was released last month by the National Center on Family Homelessness, the number of homeless children in the United States has reached a new all-time high of 2.5 million.

#10 There are more than half a million homeless children in the state of California alone.

#11 One recent survey found that about 22 percent of all Americans have had to turn to a church food panty for assistance.

#12 This year, almost one out of every five households in the United States will go through the holiday season on food stamps.

#13 One of the primary reasons why kids are suffering so much is because their parents are simply not making enough money.  This is especially true for parents of young children.  For example, check out the following numbers from the Atlantic

Since the Great Recession struck in 2007, the median wage for people between the ages of 25 and 34, adjusted for inflation, has fallen in every major industry except for health care.

These numbers come from an analysis of the Census Current Population Survey by Konrad Mugglestone, an economist with Young Invincibles.

In retail, wholesale, leisure, and hospitality—which together employ more than one quarter of this age group—real wages have fallen more than 10 percent since 2007. To be clear, this doesn’t mean that most of this cohort are seeing their pay slashed, year after year. Instead it suggests that wage growth is failing to keep up with inflation, and that, as twentysomethings pass into their thirties, they are earning less than their older peers did before the recession.

#14 Overall, the quality of the jobs in America continues to decline.  At this point, most Americans do not bring home enough income to support a middle class lifestyle for their families.  Below I have shared an excerpt from an article that I published a while back

The following are some statistics about wages in the U.S. from a Social Security Administration report that was recently released

-39 percent of American workers made less than $20,000 last year.

-52 percent of American workers made less than $30,000 last year.

-63 percent of American workers made less than $40,000 last year.

-72 percent of American workers made less than $50,000 last year.

In addition to all of these numbers, there is also a lot of anecdotal evidence that families with children are really struggling right now.

For example, McDonald’s has traditionally been a place where poor and middle class families have taken their children for a cheap meal.  But the restaurant chain just released the worst sales numbers that we have seen in more than a decade.

And the really bad news is that this is just the beginning of the economic pain for families with children.  The U.S. economy is in a bubble period right now, and the authorities have been trying with all of their might to keep the bubble inflated.

Just imagine a bodybuilder that is pressing with all of his might to do one more rep on the bench press.  That is essentially where we are at.  In a recent piece, Brian Pretti summarized some of the extraordinary measures that global central banks have taken to keep the economic bubble inflated…

Since early 2009, central banks globally have printed more than $13 trillion. In addition, governments across the planet have increased their borrowings at historic proportions (the US just crossed $18T – another new high!), all in an effort to stimulate economies and avoid deflationary pressures. Total US Federal debt has more than doubled in five years, an increase of $9.5 trillion and counting.

Despite all of these efforts, the best that we have achieved is economic stagnation.

And now it is becoming clear that the overwhelming deflationary forces around the globe are starting to win the battle.  The central banks have used up their ammunition and they still have not turned things around.  In fact, as Ambrose Evans-Pritchard so eloquently put it recently, what we see all around us is “evidence of a 1930s-style depression, albeit one that is still contained”…

What is clear is that the world has become addicted to central bank stimulus. Bank of America said 56pc of global GDP is currently supported by zero interest rates, and so are 83pc of the free-floating equities on global bourses. Half of all government bonds in the world yield less that 1pc. Roughly 1.4bn people are experiencing negative rates in one form or another.

These are astonishing figures, evidence of a 1930s-style depression, albeit one that is still contained. Nobody knows what will happen as the Fed tries to break out of the stimulus trap, including Fed officials themselves.

But will it still be contained once the next major financial crash strikes?

As I discussed yesterday, there has never been a time when conditions have been more ideal for a financial crisis since the last one happened in 2008.

So as bad as things are for the children of America right now, they are only going to get worse.

In the years ahead may we all have great compassion for these victims of our incredibly foolish economic mistakes.

  • Judochop

    Poor people,quit having children!Wear a condom!Problem solved!

    • Guest

      When I would watch programs on television about poverty in places like Appalachia, I would ask myself “Why do these people have children when they’re so poor?” So I asked someone older than myself that question. And they answered “because their children are all they have.”

      • john

        that is right, in Asia by example people make babies because their babies one day will take care of them. in Asia there is not so much of retirement, maximum they got is maybe 20 dollars a month.

        • Priszilla

          The number of children often depends on the education of the woman.

          • K2

            and man.

        • danbax

          and they don’t mind having everyone living in the same house. it wouldn’t be so bad if Americans would learn to do the same.

          but we have been brainwashed into thinking everyone has to have their own house and be out of the house when they are 18

    • jaxon64

      I believe that would be exactly as the elitists hoped for…….only the rich and powerful may procreate, the great unwashed masses just need to die off and quit using their masters resources up…..yep, solves everything…
      Sarcasm for those who might need the hint…..

    • marco

      People can be well off while they are single, then meet someone, get married, and have children and then in a couple of years lose their job and the spouse gets cancer and needs treatment within the same month. Now they are poor. Your comment reflects how ignorant you are to the poor’s plight.

      Matthew 24:12 (NLT) “Sin will be rampant everywhere, and the love of many will grow cold.”

      • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

        I love that verse in Matthew. We are seeing it come to pass right before our eyes.


        • Rick

          Really? Because sinners and evil did not exist hundreds and thousands of years ago? Things in the bible can be considered truth today not because the bible is some kind of prophetic book but because human nature is the same since the beginning and has never ever wavered.

          Honestly the ignorance of christians and their simple mindedness when it comes to human nature and reality never ceases to amaze me.

          I sometimes question if we can really even be in the golden age of man once again with the way people lack critical thinking skills.

          On the plus side once the golden age ends people will start back from the beginning again and have to relearn and grow their knowledge and cities throughout new generations.

          I often wonder what previous generations did in their own golden age.

          • GSOB

            Romans 15:4

          • Gay Veteran

            try thinking for yourself instead of parroting bible verses

      • Lone Star State Mama

        Marco, thank you for shining the light.

      • Tom_F

        @marco, Michael is far from ignorant. The poor are not ‘noble victims’, for the most part. For every family destroyed by a medical problem, there are 100 destroyed by irresponsible choices. Booze, drugs, infidelity, Ego-tripping, narcissism… These poor make bad choices and don’t put in the work to acquire job skills, but do acquire children they don’t have the money, time or skills to raise.

        • Gay Veteran

          sounds like smug middle class arrogance

        • VigilanteCaregiver

          Got a lot good points! Well done, old man!

    • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

      In order for life on Earth to continue, we have got to have children.

      And if there were 50 million more children running around America today, our Social Security crisis would not be nearly as great.


      • Shezam

        Sounds nice but let’s qualify it by adding that would involve creating 50 million more GOOD jobs by, among other things, a reversion to the pre technology days of the 60s to provide them and a total rework of our trade agreements.

        • T.

          No. It would be a reversion to the days of true Capitalism – Before the Bankster Corporatocracy Fascists shipped Most of our manufacturing OVERSEAS and destroyed the wellspring of good paying jobs and wealth for our people.

          • “true Capitalism” laid the foundations for jobs to be shipped overseas. We need to give power over workplace decisions to workers’ councils, not to shareholder-controlled boards whose sole purposes are to maximize and privatize profit while socializing losses. I’m not calling for nationalization, just democratic management of enterprises and democratic control over their revenues and earnings by their workers.

          • T.

            This nation was built economically on honest capitalism. Crony capitalism; Corporatocracy; Fascism – take your pick – This is the wickedness that operates in this country today.

          • “Honest capitalism” as a means of labor relations is fair only when business enterprises on the whole are owned by those whose labor produces the value associated with the enterprise, as in small shops or on family farms. In an economy full of large manufacturers and international finance, however, capitalism has concentrated power in the hands of profit-oriented wealthy individuals.

            While honest capitalism may have “worked” in the 1945-1973 era, the shareholders soon discovered offshoring was more profitable and made it happen due to their (legally guaranteed) absolute power over their enterprises. At best, it was little more than a temporary respite from what capitalism truly is, implemented more out of fear than out of love of the working classes.

          • T.

            The Ford motor company was not owned by the factory workers to my knowledge. The founder Henry Ford provided some of the highest paying jobs leading up to and during the “Great Depression”. That is but one example of Honest Capitalism.

          • That’s all well and good, but Ford performed his deeds not fully out of compassion for the poor and downtrodden, but out of fear of potential strikes. Even his half-hearted efforts were stalled by Ford shareholders, like the Dodge Brothers, who wanted to raid the corporate treasury for dividends and suppress the wages of workers thereby.

            More charitably, you may be describing a benevolent dictatorship. What happens when the dictator changes?

          • 35wormhole

            maybe we should break up the USA into smaller nations and allow each faction to go their own seperate ways

          • Joe Kleinkamp

            Actually that was the original idea. The federal government was supposed to have a very limited role in governing. It has turned into a monster of overregulation absolutely counter to the founders’ intent.

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Better yet, why don’t we just follow the Constitution as originally intended?!

          • TheLulzWarrior


          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Offshoring became profitable when we were forced via tax and spend by our leaders to build foreign infrastructure and cut down tariffs. Metaphorical equivalent of cutting our wrists and handing over the blood bottle to vampires.

          • “forced via tax and spend by our leaders to build foreign infrastructure and cut down tariffs.”

            Also when the international banking cartel decided to replace hitherto fixed exchange rates with floating rates in order to allow the money changers to profit.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            “Honest capitalism” as a means of labor relations
            How the hell are you ever going to understand or converse about capitalism if you insist on looking at it thru the lens of communist ‘struggle of the proletariat’ propaganda?

          • 35wormhole

            maybe we should break up the USA into smaller nations

          • Rick

            Really? Honest capitalism. No such thing. There have always been people who run businesses and exploit people. Think about the muckrakers who wrote books about the horrible and dangerous conditions of the American people working in factories. People are slave labor, the masses always have been and always will be cattle. Used and discarded when no longer useful.

            We have all been brainwashed in the United States to believe that:

            We are morally superior to those tyrant communists.

            Real History would reveal a different story. The truth is never convenient or easy and most would rather believe the fairytale of the Christian nation then actually try and learn the truth, rather than parrot what they have learned from school and their parents.

          • 35wormhole

            let’s divide america into smaller countries and allow each faction to go their own seperate ways

          • TheLulzWarrior

            The american school of economics, check it out.

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Socialism drove away the capitalists – that’s the problem. You’ve all ran out of other people’s money.

          • I never spoke about “other people’s money”. If anything, it is the corporate shareholders who are gambling with profit, money created through the labor of others. A system redistributing large amounts of income to the working poor, which you malign, is social democracy and not socialism. The former makes working people dependent on government handouts, the latter allows them to keep the products of their joint and several labor.

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            I don’t care what you name it – socialism is enough. If you want to get the working poor to wealth, then teach them how to be wealthy. There is established step-by-step methodology now (save 10% of income, budget, keep expenses low, work happily and be productive both in and outside of employment, and take action on all good opportunities). The problem is our leadership and their backers want the poor to remain poor to control them. Politics was never meant to be in home economics – this is something the individual and their family must start independently. Your talking about shuffling groups around like non-mental herds.

          • This would be all well and good if our monetary system were not based on debt. However, 95% of money is based on debt, and consequently living debt-free would cause a 95% decline in GDP, followed by an increase but with mass deflation. Furthermore, the working poor are so underpaid by capitalism that they hardly can afford to save money. If they did, as mentioned earlier, economic collapse would result in the present monetary system.

          • Gay Veteran

            “..If you want to get the working poor to wealth, then teach them how to be wealthy…..”
            hard to do when corporations are sending millions of American jobs overseas, and the Federal Reserve is devaluing the dollar

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Then stop electing revolutionaries, usurpers, and insurrectionists to office.

          • Gay Veteran

            hard to do when we are given the illusion of choice.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            socialism…allows them to keep the products of their joint and several labor.

            as shown by the abject poverty characteristic of socialist systems, right?

          • Social democracy and state capitalism are not socialist systems! The only country that followed the model I proposed was Yugoslavia, which was a model of economic success, not failure, until Washington tried to impose capitalism and created a civil war.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Social democracy and state capitalism are not socialist systems!

            Hence why I specifically asked you about socialist systems.

            The only country that followed the model I proposed

            Oh ok, so just under the absolute narrowest of YOUR terms.
            rolls eyes.

          • “Oh ok, so just under the absolute narrowest of YOUR diktats. ”

            Well, it worked until capitalism was forced on the country. It could work indefinitely in the US, since at the present time nobody is in a position to force anything on America.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Well it’s certainly clear to me at this point, you’re just trying to reassure yourself that you aren’t lying to yourself.
            Sorry dude, you’re a useful idiot of totalitarian socialists.

          • 35wormhole

            let’s break up the USA into smaller nations and let everyone go their seperate ways

          • I don’t advocate their model in any way, shape or form, nor do I support the supposed “socialism is the road to communism” which has allowed totalitarian socialists to take power. Likewise, I understand that you likewise don’t support the robber barons of the early 20th century (and their modern incarnations in China and India), but support a more conscious form of capitalism as was practiced in the postwar era. I disagree with the latter model because it still gives capital control over labor, but I haven’t called you a useful idiot of totalitarian capitalists like Pinochet.

          • 35wormhole

            then break up the USA into smaller nations and let everyone go their seperate ways

          • Priszilla

            All countries that adopted socialism were ruined by honest capitalists before.

          • 35wormhole

            let’s dissolve the USA so that each faction can go their own seperate ways

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Bullshyte. Good grief, why would anyone ever vote for you idiots and your govt systems. You’re NEVER responsible for ANYTHING.

          • Priszilla

            Definitely not for the economic embargo, shutting out the eastern bloc from the so-called “free” market.
            That was the work of the good and honest true capitalists.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Well fortunately for you, it was king socialist himself that cutoff the eastern bloc from the rest of the world.

          • Priszilla

            Please educate yourself on the subject of cocom embargo.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Yea, so far, you’re the one that’s wrong but I’m the one that needs to educate myself. Moron.

          • Priszilla

            So far you didn’t present any facts. Just accusations.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Oh well, just because you said so.
            Unfortunately for you, I happen to have history on my side, moron.

            I’ll cite mine right after you get around to

            “All countries that adopted socialism were ruined by honest capitalists before.”

            and then this lil gem.

            shutting out the eastern bloc from the so-called “free” market.
            That was the work of the good and honest true capitalists.

            I didn’t know Stalin and the successor commies were “good and honest true capitalists”.

            get back to me when you find them facts in any of that.

          • Priszilla

            Before Russia adopted socialism it was run by the Czar? And his name was Stalin? Don’t get your history books from Walmart, they might be wrong.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Ohhhhh I get it. You were wrong about just who it was that dropped that iron curtain on the Eastern bloc so you’re going to talk about something else. Gotcha.
            Or were you referencing your crap claims that capitalists ruined the country first. LOL, so the Czars somehow ruined the country before the HORRORS of Lenin and Stalin. And they were free market capitalists toooooo!
            LOL! You don’t seem to be acquainted with them Walmart history books, otherwise known as real history,
            You go ahead and make up your idiot’s version of history, I’m gonna go do something else.

          • Priszilla

            You are a moron.

            The iron curtain was erected by Churchill and Truman even before the war ended.

            And just as Staslin moved his troops to thhe East towards China and Japan, America tested the atomic bomb on humans without military necessity. Just to show Stalin what he would be up against.

            Revolutions are never started when people are happy and well cared for. People start revolutions only when they have nothing left to lose. When their life is absolutely unbearable.

            But I see, your mass media have done a really good job with idiots like you.

            Enjoy your collapse. HAHAHA

          • 35wormhole

            i have an idea let’s dissolve the USA so that each faction can go their own seperate ways

          • 1. Please don’t spam your idea over and over again without elaboration.
            2. No.

          • Gay Veteran

            corporations sent American jobs overseas for 2 major reasons:
            (1) cheap foreign labor,
            (2) no environmental regulations

          • afchief

            Spoken like a true socialist/liberal!!! What laid the foundation for jobs to be shipped overseas was excessive corporate taxes and excessive regulations, PERIOD!

          • sharonsj

            Sorry, but you do not know what you are talking about. 25 years ago, for every $1 a worker paid in taxes, a corporation paid $1.25. Now for every $1 we pay in taxes, a corporation pays 25 cents.

            Our laws have been rigged to favor corporations with all sorts of tax breaks and refunds. The written rate may be 35% but no company pays that. Of the top 70 corporations in the U.S., their tax rate is between 8-10%. Some of the biggest corporations make billions and pay no Federal tax as all (like ExxonMobil and GE).

          • 35wormhole

            the solution is the dissolution of the USA so that each faction can go their own seperate ways

          • 35wormhole

            let’s divide the USA into 2 or more nations and allow each faction to go their own seperate ways

          • Did you even bother to read my post? Tell me, how many jobs would have been offshored if the factory workers could simply have taken a legally binding vote against it? Our economic system needs to stop appeasing rich and powerful individuals with lower wages, poor environmental protections, and tax breaks.

          • Gay Veteran

            BS, the big corporations that shipped Amercian jobs overseas did NOT pay a high tax rate. They went overseas seeking slave labor wages and NO environmental regulations.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            “true Capitalism” laid the foundations for jobs to be shipped overseas.
            Well no, no it didn’t. But lets entertain that idiotic notion. Please cite how.
            And please, be thorough when you cite how it wasn’t govt regulation that allowed and even pushed for it.

          • Shezam

            Yes, by addressing our egregious so called trade agreements as I mentioned. But there is no denying that the need for human labor has been greatly diminished with the advent of the microchip.

          • If the need for human labor has been diminished so sharply, why haven’t we been blessed with the future that capitalist snake-oil salesman John Maynard Keynes advertised in the 1930s, in which a man would only have to work about 4-6 hours a day and his wife would not need to work at all?

            The reason is that our economic system is based on perpetual growth, because most money is not government-originated cash but electronic banknotes, debt-backed promises to be paid back at interest with other debt-backed promises. In order to pay the interest of course, more loans must be taken out and used for business purposes, thus creating an addiction to perpetual growth. As a consequence, unhealthy and environmentally unsound lifestyles like consumerism, one-car-per-person, and suburban living have taken root.

            Perpetual growth requires perpetual increases in consumption, and perpetual increases in consumption require perpetual increase in production. Thus even with productivity improvements, work hours have reduced relatively little in the past 50 years. A reduction in GDP, starting with the FIRE (finance, insurance, real estate), consumerist, construction, and war profiteer sections of our economy, could allow for a reduction in work hours and an improvement in overall medical and societal health.

          • Priszilla

            The government wages war to protect trade routes and consumers against competition. These wars need to be paid with tax.
            Therefore each worker needs to work more to generate that tax.

          • T.

            Humanly speaking from a labor participation rate – you are right as there no more Americans employed today than there were 30 years ago. But from God’s perspective – There is NO justification for killing babies – job market or no.

          • Shezam

            Don’t know how you got the idea that I am a proponent of the abhorrent sin of abortion. Been pro life since before Roe v. Wade. My point is just that as the worldwide population I.e. workforce grows — it’s doubled since the early seventies — while technology simultaneously reduces the need for human labor we will not fix social security by increasing the U.S. population alone.

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Okay, so when the majority sobers up and realizes the genocide committed in their names, we can point to you as a promoter?

          • Shezam

            When you sober up maybe you can post something that resembles a sensible comment.

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            You’re backing genocide. How am I impaired for pointing that out?

          • Shezam

            Please read my post again SLOWLY. My comment expressed surprise that T. would think I was a proponent of the abhorrent sin of abortion. I further stated that I’ve been pro life since before Roe v. Wade. I don’t know how to be any clearer expressing my views that abortion is a horrible choice.

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            GAAAH! Sorry! My mistake!

          • Shezam

            All good. Merry Christmas!

          • T.

            My mistake also. Sorry for implying you are for the most ungodly act of baby killing. Merry Christmas to you and yours.

          • Gay Veteran

            oh, so you have adopted an unwanted child then

          • Shezam

            No, have enough of our own.

          • Gay Veteran

            oh come on, one more wouldn’t be a burden, right?

          • Patti Smith

            I adopted one and was foster parent to 9… many are you raising?

          • Gay Veteran

            well Patti, none, but then I’m not one of those advocating forcing women to give birth

          • fej

            This wouldn’t even be an issue if your government was allowed to print their own money.
            Oh wait. They are allowed to. They just don’t do it because you people would rather pay international bankers interest on their printed money. That way, you can remain permanently in ever increasing debt.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            technology simultaneously reduces the need for human labor
            utter fallacy.
            At most it forces shifts in the labor pool from low education analog to high education digital.

          • Shezam

            Tell that to all the displaced machinists, bank tellers, draftsmen, accountants, assembly workers, etc. who’ve been replaced by CNC, ATM, Autocad, robotics, etc. Yes, technology creates some jobs but nowhere near the number it displaces. I see the Eagle Globe and Anchor and know you are one of the good guys but think this through. And thanks for your service!

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Tell that to all the displaced


            it forces shifts in the labor pool

            You’re under the impression that a job displaced is not replaced and it’s a fallacy right up to, and including “nowhere near the number it replaces.”

            Here’s how you’re wrong.

            Who was “replaced” by an ATM – a bank teller? several bank tellers?
            Well, I was in a bank two days ago and I deposited money via a live body named Mike inside the branch, so I know the teller never went away in the first place.

            Plus, nobody manufactured the bank teller. He was produced by a few schools that taught him thingz, whose jobs never went away, because as I’ve indicated, the teller is really still there.

            Well that ATM required all them workers that
            1. manufactured the machine’s shell, all the way down to the metal miners that now have a job that wasn’t there to produce the teller

            2. manufactured all the computer pieces and the GIGANTIC networking and internet infrastructure that’s needed to run them.

            3. The business analysts, software developers, QA testers and all the people that surround them to produce the software that runs it.

            4. The trucking people that deliver the ATMs themselves, the techs that install them and the ones that maintain them too.

            5. How many more I’ve not identified that surround the ATM machine?

            And in the end, they’ve produced a machine that, despite contributions from ALLLLL those other workers, they produced a machine that could dispense cheaper than the one person that did it before; be it cash or the 4 people needed to produce a burger.
            Automation makes it all bigger, not smaller as I’ve easily demonstrated. trust me, you’ve got to think it thru.
            Semper Fi, thanks.

          • Shezam

            Now I see. The laid off bank tellers now work in mines and build ATMs.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            I was trying to be polite so don’t be an a$$wipe. I never claimed any such thing.

            Do you even know what displaced means?

            Displace [dis-pleys]

            verb (used with object),
            2. to move or put out of the usual or proper place.
            That means the bank tellers job was replaced by jobs making the ATM.
            Again, that’s erroneously assuming the teller was replaced in the first place. Back in reality the teller has his job and now there’s are thousands more surrounding ATMS.

          • Shezam

            So it took the entire length of the half dozen displaced (that means fired numbnutz) tellers careers to build an ATM. You’ll never get it. Take a course in economics. But you are to be admired for trying to be the best conservative on the blog. BTW, I voted for every Republican from the great Ronald Reagan on. Wait, one time I registered Democratic just to vote in a primary against Hilldog when we all thought she would be the candidate in 08. So don’t even think I have any liberal leanings. You’re just wrong on technological unemployment. You sound like more of a corporatist than a conservative capitalist.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Nope, and I never even came close to implying it. Apparently you’re under the impression that an ATM is produced once. Ol Ron Popeil in your mind!? Set it and forget it?

            I don’t think so. Rather they are ever more changed, upgraded, produced, maintained and serviced. How many careers is that? And yes, I know that at this point you’re playing obscenely obtuse so you can save face and not admit you’re full of it.

            In other words, you’re going to completely ignore that I proved your entire argument is bullshyte and continue to focus on the teller THAT WAS NEVER F****G fired.

            Who’s the numbnutz?

            No you never voted Reagan. You don’t vote Republican. You don’t go from voting Reagan to spouting utterly idiotic leftist claptrap like this. AND ARGUING POORLY FOR IT.

            Corporatist? No, that’s about a hair’s breadth from the progressive fascist democrats.

          • Gay Veteran

            from the conservative Heritage Foundation:

            “…Manufacturers need fewer unskilled workers to perform rote tasks, but more highly skilled workers to operate the machines that automated those tasks. Manufacturers have substituted brains for brawn…

            Manufacturing job opportunities have increased for skilled workers even as overall manufacturing employment has fallen…

            Fewer Unskilled Jobs

            On the other hand, unskilled manufacturing positions have dropped by more than positions for high-skilled workers have risen. Between 1992 and 2000, overall manufacturing employment increased, but the number of manufacturing workers with high school education or less dropped from 11.3 million to 10.5 million. Between 2000 and 2009, it dropped by an additional 37 percent to 6.7 million positions.[7] Manufacturing is becoming a highly skilled occupation that requires less manual labor….”

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            True. The more complex the machine, the more people are needed to create and maintain it.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            The left (you) claim that the automation destroyed jobs (and subsequently the economy, which by definition, it would), but the economy (sum total of all those people’s efforts) couldn’t have gotten MASSIVELY larger (as it demonstrably has) if it had actually destroyed all those jobs.

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Progress can best be described as: the research of the Nobel laureate yesterday becomes the work of the tinsmith today.

          • Gay Veteran

            “…At most it forces shifts in the labor pool from low education analog to high education digital.”

            that’s the lie that was used to sell NAFTA, we’ll send the dirty jobs out of country while we keep the high tech jobs.
            how did that work out?

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Amazingly enough, you can scroll down and read how I’ve already proven it right.

            No one claimed that a job would never get outsourced so shove your little strawman where your boyfriend kisses you.

            How did that work out? Well I got an email yesterday from one of my local tech recruiters that said SLC is so hard-up for .net developers, if I changed my job I’m likely to increase my salary 20%.

            My boss overheard me say that to one of my co-workers today and he freaked the hell out. He was VISIBLY concerned.

            So I’d say it’s going ok.

          • Gay Veteran

            well junior, I guess if things are going swell for you then that means things are great in the entire country.
            dumb a **

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            well junior, I guess if things are going swell for you then that means…
            Because I said that and you can point to where I said that, right dumbass?

            Oh wait, no, you’re the dumbass that said it.

          • Gay Veteran

            you’re the one bragging about your chance to increase your salary 20%.
            forget that?

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Ummm no, I said that. Are you having opposite day today, SpongeBob?

          • Gay Veteran

            glad you remember, BettieBoop

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            One of us has to. If I left it up to you, I’d be twice guilty of something I didn’t say and you’d forget the things I actually say. Then we’d just be left listening to you foam at the mouth and Patrick’s stupid laugh.

          • Gay Veteran


          • Malcolm Reynolds

            To summarize,
            You said something stupid, then used the vaunted techniques of the strawman and the hissy fit for rebuttal…
            You’re right, you are boring.

          • Gay Veteran

            more like you said something idiotic, and now have your panties in a wad

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Its amazing how often your blather is diametrically opposite of reality.
            Must be a symptom of the STDs.

          • Gay Veteran

            is your tertiary syphilis acting up again?

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Ask him about the DSM II, definition section 302.0; and about APA Document Ref. # 730008.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            lol, oh hell no. The last thing I wanna do is give that dope an invitation to spout about the glory of sodomizing dudes.

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Good point. However, the more complicated a technology becomes the more people are needed to operate and maintain it. Even if it’s programmed to repair itself, eventually that repair system will need replacing. We need more people now that we don’t have just to keep current tech up and running.

          • Gay Veteran

            not really.
            look at car manufacturing, lots of auto workers have lost their jobs while a few service the robots

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            You’ve never been to an auto manufacturing plant. Have you?

          • Gay Veteran

            haven’t been to a TV manufacturing plant either.
            a simple Google search will educate you about robotics and employment

          • Priszilla

            Trade agreements are made by the pressure of good capitalists so they can sell more overseas and reduce costs.

          • Priszilla

            True capitalism involved 10 year olds working 14 hours in mines.

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Um, no. True capitalism is trading value for value without third party intervention or need of weaponry. Children are meant to labor as apprentices to their parents – but not in that extreme.

          • “True capitalism is trading value for value without third party intervention or need of weaponry.”

            Ultimately, all value is created by labor. So shouldn’t labor be able to freely trade value for value by self-managing industries and deciding on the disposition of revenues? If capital is allowed to do this task as under the present system, labor is ultimately shafted, and those who won’t work profit from those who do.

        • Priszilla

          You don’t necessarily need a lot of jobs. Your costs just need to be lower than your income.

      • alan

        The more people the more poverty. Only so many people can live on earth until the ecosystem collapse.
        Mother nature will correct this human infestation sooner or later. We can do it our selves or have a mass die off.

      • Tom_F

        Michael your point is excellent and I agree, but these 50 million children need to be educated and productive. As I look around, even in my own family, I see children unprepared to care for themselves or put in a solid 40 hour workweek. We need the right kind of children, not just imported kids who don’t speak the language or respect the culture.

        • Tim

          Michael was referring to the 50 million children who were aborted!

          • Tom_F

            Yes. These children are unwanted. By the way, Tim, we are surrounded in the US and in the world by “unwanted” people of all ages. But to your point, what do you think the outcome would be for 50 million unwanted children to be carried to term in the US? 80% of the working age adults do not pay into the Federal Tax system what they take out (that’s right 20% pay their own freight and make up the difference for 80% who don’t). We don’t have enough jobs for the people in US now, let alone the unskilled illiterates self-importing, and the generational welfare cases. So, again, do you think those 50 million would be a plus?

          • Gay Veteran

            hey! stop using logic with the religious types

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            This nation entered negative population growth last generation. US population is over 300 million; over 50 million murdered. 23-year-old’s outnumber newborns. (see my post above for citations.)

            The second the ova is fertilized by the spermatozoa DNA is released and attaches together – jumpstarting the growth cycle. That DNA is now human DNA. The fact that it’s a cell is irrelevant to it’s classification as human or not – that cell is fulfilling it’s purpose of multiplying. That, by biological definition, means its ALIVE.

            Whether it has “feelings”, nerve endings or not doesn’t matter. By definition of biological science – removing the growing baby from the womb artificially and stopping the growth cycle is killing the baby.

            And there needs to be accountability for this. No justifications for genocide can be acceptable by a civil society.

          • Tom_F

            @Vig, you are incorrect, and missing the point. Again, do you think those 50 million would be a plus? Neutral? Or a negative? The answer should be obvious, from the women having the abortions.
            US pop. growth continues; US born pop. is flat, and the overall pop. continues to increase due to immigration (there is greater illegal immigration than legal). Legal immigration brings skills and family connections. Illegal immigration brings uneducated people who are illiterate in two languages.

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            I think it would be a neutral. Check out the empirical data: we hit a world population plateau decades ago. We’re on a decline now.

            Your arguments remind me of Vicar Thomas Malthis’s claims from 1798. He predicted the world would be out of food due to overpopulation by 1890, and recommended killing off the have-nots of society so the better people have a chance to survive.

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Now, I know you’re talking about US population – but I brought world population into it because of immigration.

            We can’t do it by either. Legal permanent immigration was barely over 1 million this year. Illegal immigration is just a guess at 70,000. That may seem like it’s useful. But when comparing numbers from the nations they come from; it’s bad overall.

            And I also forgot to mention – many here posted about this several months ago when Mike did the article – many of our bright, talented citizens are immigrating out of the US and forsaking citizenship. They can get better jobs overseas.

            So, we not only have a high abortion rate, we are also going through a high emancipation rate.

            Wish I put that in my first post.

          • Tom_F

            Silly, the “emancipation rate” is tiny (especially compared to the number immigrating and your ‘illegal number’ needs to add a zero). In 2013, 2,999 gave up U.S. citizenship. In 2012, it was 1,800. Click on the link in my most recent post to you, for proof your understanding of world and U.S. population GROWTH rates is wrong. Add that to your failure to acknowledge that the WRONG KIND of child is being born (poor, uneducated, unparented, unprepared to contribute to society) and your claims are provably silly.

          • By this logic, should every human somatic cell have the rights attached to the entire human? They have human DNA and multiply as well in order to fulfill a biological purpose.

            Sentience consists of the ability to consciously percieve and mentally respond to stimuli. No sentient being, I agree, should be killed without good reason. But early stage embryos are not sentient and thus have as much right to avoid being killed as any small group of cells in a human body. That is to say, none.

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Someone did some homework! 🙂

            The ovum cell after fertilization is segregated by definition as a ‘Zygote’. It’s not considered a somatic cell – it immediately performs mitosis into a massive collection of cells through a four-day period and becomes a ‘Blastocyst’.

            The zygote cells are basically stem cells that differ from any other stem cells in the manner they process information and perform the fastest mitosis. No other stem cells in the human body can do this. The way they process DNA is quite remarkable in that each separation triggers in a proper area certain cells to become organs, appendages, nerves, etc. without any additional transfer of information from the mother. They are, for a lack of a better descriptive, independent of parents until attachment to the uterine lining – strictly for nourishment.

            A zygote is a separate being from the start.

            Until we can definitely prove the existence or non-existence of sentience within a zygote; best the err on the side of caution. Biological science can’t explain why and how the vast majority of these functions take place upon fertilization, they cannot come through with the mathematics to prove these things, or can replicate it in a lab. To assume there is no sentience is unethical. There’s something there; and I doubt that biology can ever discover it.

            Seriously, though. Thanks for bringing that up. 🙂

          • Gay Veteran

            “…To assume there is no sentience is unethical….”

            so says the person who wants to turn women into slaves in order to force them to give birth.
            so, how many unwanted babies have you adopted again

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            You are some kinda special.

            And if you must know; we’re working on adopting 3 right now. How you may ask? That’s for me to know – and you never.

            Seriously, get help.

          • Gay Veteran

            3 you say? yeah, I bet, not just 1, or 2, BUT 3!
            internet troll

          • Gay Veteran

            so how many unwanted babies have you adopted?
            and how can you be free if you don’t control your own body?

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Um, how does murdering your child count as control of one’s body?

            Can just see it now:

            Player: “Col. Mustard – you did it in the Dining Room with the lead pipe!”

            Col. Mustard: “No, I didn’t commit murder! I was trying to gain control of my body!!”

          • Gay Veteran

            not a child until born.
            but nice of you to confirm that you want to turn women into slaves

      • Rick

        Why? Why do people care if life on earth continues? Why is it so important to people? Honestly once you are dead will it matter to you how populated or unpopulated the earth is?

        Having children to pay for an aging population and to steal from them is wrong. With that statement about social security it is obvious to me that we are all slaves to a specific system or mindset depending on what country we happen to be born in.

        Every country, every person in that country has been indoctrinated with the values and biases at birth.

        Our parents are to blame for keeping us enslaved to a corrupt system and way of life that robs from us our very souls.

        We are brainwashed at birth through supposed morals, values, religion, lies about our very history and it will never ever stop.

        • GSOB

          Romans 7:19 > 20

      • danbax

        No. You need to teach financial education in every grade just as you do math and English. Then people will have enough in retirement.
        Stop taking social security, etc from people and everyone will have more to spend.

        Yes, there will always be the poor, but charities and benevolent people take care of them

        • “Financial education” will not help if your monetary system is based on debt. We first need a currency issued by the Treasury directly, not by private banks. Also, Social Security should be a pooled mandatory savings account invested much like a pension fund. All persons, regardless of income, should be required to save 10% of income for Social Security, which can be withdrawn for major life expenses like education, medical reasons, and retirement.

      • DesolateEarth

        With 7.2 billion people on the planet and growing and living on possibly the only life sustaining entity in our knowable sphere of the Galaxy that we have access to, with finite resources and living under a system built of off infinite growth and consumerism, we are breeding ourselves into extinction. The only reason why that a population that big exists is because of oil, with it we are able to inflate the growth of breeding through intensively energy dependent agriculture, pesticides. transportation, and synthetic antibiotics. Yes I agree that we do need children in order for the human race to continue, but at the rate where the statistics of human reproduction has almost quadrupled in less than a century IS unsustainable; we need to realize that we need to cut growth NOW, or prevent a mass dying later.

        • Priszilla

          Makes you think about pro-life.

          It’s basically just pro f**king without control and self-control.

          These pro-lifers don’t care what happens to the living. Just as long as they can make more babies.

          • Patti Smith

            Actually Americans are no longer reproducing in sufficient numbers to replace themselves when they die.

        • TheLulzWarrior

          We come in peace!

        • VigilanteCaregiver

          Technically, the world population is trending down. Japan, Russia, Europe and the US have lower birth rates.

          Especially Japan – their going through a population crash.

          • DesolateEarth

            Yes those countries are having a negative population growth, but there is also countries such as India, Mexico, and various countries on the African contenient and the Middle East that are set to have large population increases, these places also tend to have cultures of having larger families and a lack of access to contraceptives. So while first world nations experience population decline, most third world nations are going to have a population increase, and these are places that tend to experience food insecurity, political instability, and violence; which we will see in countries such as The United States, The United Kingdom, Greece, Germany, Spain, and other European nations a huge increase in immigration, which will eventually offset the population decrease.

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Actually, the middle east numbers are on the decline as well.

        • GSOB

          Isaiah 42:5

      • Gay Veteran

        and pray tell how 50,000,000 MORE people would find jobs???

        • VigilanteCaregiver

          You just don’t know economics. Sad.

          • Gay Veteran

            well Einstein, answer the question

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            You know – for once, you do the research and find out for yourself. I can type for days, and all you’ll do is act in your usual obstinate manner and not arrive anywhere close to a functional response.

          • Gay Veteran

            in other words you got NOTHING

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            I’ve got plenty and proven it. Anytime I provide evidence, actual evidence, you go bat#$%& crazy with the Alinsky feigns and name calling – you can’t handle criticism and can’t debate.

            You were wrong about the Constitution enshrining slavery; wrong about Israel making nuclear weapons in their power plants and the Jews in general; wrong about darwinian evolution; wrong about Christianity having inherent hostilities towards outsiders; and wrong about gay marriage and homosexuality in general.

            All you have is propaganda and Alinsky derision to get some attention and feed an ego. That’s it. Do some critical thinking and serious scientific study. And if you really want to see if Christianity is what you claim it is; then study it’s precepts and test it. I did this with darwinian evolution and found it severely lacking as a scientific theory. Test spirituality through spirituality.

          • Gay Veteran

            “…I’ve got plenty and proven it. Anytime I provide evidence, actual evidence, you go bat#$%& crazy with the Alinsky feigns and name calling – you can’t handle criticism and can’t debate….”

            wish I had a nickel everytime some dumba ** started screaming about “Alinsy”

            “…You were wrong about the Constitution enshrining slavery….”

            gee, then why did it take a constitutional amendment to end it?

            “….wrong about Israel making nuclear weapons in their power plants….”

            moron, they used nuclear materials from their nuclear power plants to make nuclear bombs

            “… and the Jews in general…”


            “…wrong about darwinian evolution…”

            again, WTF???

            “…wrong about Christianity having inherent hostilities towards outsiders….”

            heck, you just plain pulled that one out your a**

            “…and wrong about gay marriage and homosexuality in general…”

            ROFLOL, riiiiiiiiight

            “…Do some critical thinking and serious scientific study….”

            are you talking into a mirror?

            “…Test spirituality through spirituality.”

            try thinking for yourself, for once

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            It’s all recorded on Disqus. Unless you deleted all your previous posts – all your responses and mine over the last few years are here for anyone to peruse.

          • Gay Veteran

            indeed it is

      • TheLulzWarrior

        “In order for life on Earth to continue, we have got to have children.”

        Human life but yep, you 100% right about that.

        I don´t worry about overpopulation that much, in 30 years the world population is more likely to be around 500 millions than around 9 billions.

      • VigilanteCaregiver

        Mike, I just remembered. Do you recall several months ago an article you did on the record number of people renouncing citizenship? That also plays into this.

      • Priszilla

        So, why would you want THIS to continue?

    • VigilanteCaregiver


  • K

    I am all too familiar with this situation. A rescue mission where you used to see nothing but single men. Now is sometimes having to deal with families. The food pantries that are stretched to the breaking point. The simple fact is most do not care. If you read the new budget, they are passing it boils down to one thing. 95% of the citizens in this Country, do not count. Sadly those are the people who keep these charities going that help these kids, and their families out. For surely we live in evil times.

    • T.

      Sadly, the worsening economic conditions for American families and their children – Is a done deal. It’s already baked into the economic cake. America will reap what has been sown by the evil Federal Reserve & Wall Street Banksters who have brought this upon U.S. There is NO way to stop it.

      • Mr Hevil

        Thoes wealthy fat cats will burn in hell with satan for ever. I pray that they do. Jamie Diamond is A cute looking man. George Soros is A ugly looking man. Ted Turner is A creapy looking man. Bill Gates s A pretty man. Warren Buffett is A goofl looking man.

        • True Grit

          Pray that they’re saved. And as long as your at it, pray for the children

        • Mike

          So you’ll pray that someone is dammed to hell? Also as long as they are cute they won’t? Makes me happy knowing there is no god if you represent him.

      • Just sayin´


        en.wikipedia. o r g/wiki/Guillotine

    • krinks

      Why should citizens count? They vote for leaders that support post partum abortions (Obama) and re elect leaders that do all they can to close down American Factories and ship them to China (Clintons).

      How ignorant must you be to think that someone who will fire you to hire third world slave labor and murder a new born child will care about you at any time afterwards?

      • K

        My purpose here is to wake people up. To show them, there is no solution in the two party system. Do you think anything you just mentioned, is news? So share, what is your solution? You seem to be aware of many of the problems. Let us hear how you would solve them.

        • krinks

          Too late. The Holocaust should have taught us all that unless we all have life and liberty respected by law none of us do. The Abortion Industry exists because we refuse to learn.

          • T.

            You’re right – It is too late.

          • srknox

            Kindly, disagree, it’s never too late for people to wake up, revolt and refuse to add their energy and actions tova corrupt and anti American, anti Christian system. Solution? What SAMSON did to the Philistines. He used his strength to topple and collapse the building he was chained to, upon his own head in order for it to fall and crush the oppres. Order out of chaos right? What building, institution, shovernment faction are you supporting and are you chained to? You have strength and advntage to peacefully collapse them. There are more of us than them. Temeber the movie Ants? It took one ant to stop them. WE are the ants. WE are the SAMSONS. WE still have power. We have imagination and creativity. French people love to speak and negotiate with their hands, they collectively refuse to work walk out all on the same day and stand in the streets not working until their demands are met. Street leaders community organizers you know who you are, take a clue from one of the only group of Amercans keenly aware of the true cost of enslavement brave enough with the balls enough to stand up and say No More!!! to this evil fascist corrupt shovernment. THEIR protests were not directly targeted at the police as much as it is directed towards those greedy corporate institutions that oppress them. BLACK LIVES DO MATTER. ALL OF OUR LIVES IN THIS INTENTIONAL ENSLAVEMENT MATTER. HANDS UP!!!, DON’T SHOOT!!! REPEAT AFTER ME, TAKE TO THE STREET AND CHANT HANDS UP!!! WONT WORK!!! HANDS UP!!! WON’T WORK!!!HANDS UP!!! WONT WORK!!! NO JUSTICE? NO FOOTBALL!!! NO INFORMATIVE PRODUCTIVE EDUCATION!! NO TEACHING!!! AND STAY AND CONTINUE TO JOIN IN SOLIDARITY THAT WAY UNTIL REFORMS AND CHANGES ARE MADE. CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERY TEACHER IN THS COUNTRY WALKED OFF THEIR DESKS ALL AT THE SAME TIME AND REFUSED TO TEACH? CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF ALL CHRISTIANS, ALL FAST FOOD WORKERS, ALL TRUCKERS, SPORTS TEAMS, CELEBRITIES, NEWS REPORTERS, ALL FREEDOM LOVING CULTURES AND RELIGIONS, WALKED OFF AND JOINED IN? WE NEED TO USE THE POWER WE HAVE!! And yes, it will hurt, yes some will die and yes, this economy will come down crashing upon our heads. But it will crash down upon the oppressor’s heads as well, long enough for those who survive to begin to build again. What shall the future be for you and your children? Mindless, overmedicated, beaten enslaved starved existence or freedom and bravery and ability to change your stars? TAKE BACK CONTROL OR CONTROL WILL TAKE YOU BACK!!

          • T.

            One of us will be right – I hope and pray that you are. God bless

  • FortuneSeek3rz

    Little child

    Dry your crying eyes

    How can I explain

    The fear you feel inside?

    ‘Cause you were born

    Into this evil world

    Where man is killin’ man

    And no one knows just why

    What have we become?

    Just look what we have done

    All that we destroyed

    You must build again

    • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

      Did you write that yourself?


      • FortuneSeek3rz

        No, this one belongs to White Lion. It was released in 1987.

        • mike

          “Like a drifter I was born to walk alone”

          • Mike Smithy

            “There once was a man from Nantuckit”…..Oh, never-mind!

  • Lynn

    My family may have looked poor to the world around us, but we had love, and honor, and pride in the work that we accomplished. We were happy and content with food, clothing, shelter, and each other. Dad worked hard to provide for us. He grew a bountiful garden and cut wood to supply us with warmth. He taught us to enjoy life!! He would have thought it a disgrace to have our mother working outside of the home!! We were truly blessed.

    • Just sayin

      “He would have thought it a disgrace to have our mother working outside of the home!!”
      That is dumb.

      • CharlesH

        Not so dumb if you lived in that day and age. My father was the “bread winner” and my mother was a “house wife”. Everyone pulled together to make the family work – everyone had their own chores and you just did whatever had to be done. My family wasn’t poor but we sure didn’t have any luxury items laying around, that’s for sure. You had pride – you took personal responsibility. Look around today and what do you see?

        • Just Sayin´´

          What do I see? What the field testing has revealed, that that day and age lead to our day and age.

          That the values back then were somewhat flawed and as a result, took a Pearl
          Harbour pwning in less than a generation.

          That they left people paralyzed in the face of an entirely avoidable danger, one that took decades to grow to its current size.

          Only the left´s own shortcomings have stopped it from absolute victory a number
          of years ago.

          Personal responsibility is not to just one family.

          Less concern about being breadwinners and more concern about the future of and
          duty to the country and people would have been better.

          Of course, there was the matter of necessity and limited options back
          then, it was difficult to guess back then what the future would be.

          There are fewer excuses for us today who do have the benefice of hindsight and
          worship the past instead of learning from it.

          If a car works well at first and you had some fun times
          with it but later blows or breaks down, leaving you at the risk of amputation below the belt
          due to metallic debris, what will be in your mind?

          Are you going to remember with
          fondness the time that the car worked well or the matter that it exploded and
          that you are stranded in a hospital bed as a result?

          • CharlesH

            I stopped reading your response when you said “…the values back then were somewhat flawed”. I don’t have the patience to even attempt to bring you into reality. You’re in your own world.

          • Just Sayin

            If they were so perfect then, why did they fail, huh? Why did that happen, without a fight, to the garbage coming from Hollywood, to lawyers and angry women?

            If they are as good as you only pretend to believe they are, it would have taken millions of dead soldiers, years of war, millions of tonnes of bombs and artillery shells before they were toppled.

            While you talked all was lost, Skraeling.

          • TheLulzWarrior

            “stopped reading your response when you said”

            Riiiiight, sure you didn’t. Nice try tho.

          • TheLulzWarrior

            Not flawed, just not enough.

      • FortuneSeek3rz

        Believe it or not, there was a time where things were different.

        • Just Sayin´

          If a car works well at first and you had some fun times with
          it but later blew and leave you at the risk of amputation below the belt due
          to metallic debris, what will be in your mind?

          Are you going to remember with fondness the times that the car worked well or the matter that it blew and that you are stranded in a
          hospital bed with a lot of pain as a result?

          • John Bilge Society

            Come with us! We can talk about it! Talk, talk about the glorious past… We can talk about how great we once were and have some coffee later!

            We shall fight communism the only decent way – with words !

  • Mondobeyondo

    It is a rough situation when adults live in poverty. It is heartbreaking when kids also live in poverty.If there is anything good about growing up poor, it teaches you to have a feeling of immense gratitude for what you do have later on in life. You take nothing for granted.

    • VigilanteCaregiver

      From my son:”I thought Obama was Santa? Santa stole’d Christmas!” 🙂

  • DJohn1

    The problem is in our education system.
    The words godless, atheistic, neutral, bound by false concepts, teaching things that are simply not true, government puppet schools. That is what I see going on.
    I see a school system that hasn’t a clue.
    When I was growing up you either went on to college or not.
    My father placed me in Patterson Co-op. I was in the printing division. I became a printer.
    I had a craft union negotiating for me.
    I served a six year apprenticeship with a graduated wage scale starting at 55% of scale and ending at 100% of scale after I got my journeyman’s card. I was 25 when I started this apprenticeship and it was an uphill battle to learn a trade at that late a date in my life. But I did it. I earned a good wage my entire life.
    Now take these kids going to college and getting 10-60,000 in debt before they get out. Those debts do not go away whether you earn a good living or not.
    The idea behind higher education was to provide these children with opportunities that would allow them to get decent jobs with higher wages than those that did not go to college. It hasn’t worked that way.
    The colleges themselves are crooks. They encourage debt to pay the bills. And those bills are not going away with a bankruptcy.
    The first thing they introduce a kid to is a credit card.
    Those of us that follow the humanity manual(the Bible) know that going into debt makes you a slave to that company that holds that debt. These kids have not been taught that simple fact.
    The school system is designed to encourage people living together without benefit of matrimony. So what happens next? The girl gets pregnant. The boy leaves. The girl is likely to either have the child and raise it as a single parent or have an abortion. Neither choice is a good one.
    Children need a man in the household. They need guidance and an exhausted parent is not where you are going to get it from. Neither will the parent control the child and give it the discipline needed to behave themselves. Women often pick their battles carefully because a male child is often one that can unfortunately hurt the mother. They are often stronger than the mother. A man is different.
    A good man will guide the child. A good man acts as father to the child and supports him when that needs it the most.
    What we end up with is a lot of children going through the teen years and then ending up in jail. I can track that back to the child not having someone steering them in the right direction.
    I raised 3 boys often on my own. My oldest runs a business. He is also a Music Minister in a Southern Baptist Church.
    My middle son is a devote Christian and has raised his children to be Christians too.
    My youngest has a farm. He works with computers in the day. He also is Christian as are his 3 children. He recently got married to a lovely woman.
    Nobody is perfect. But the way the schools work doesn’t work and it is the cause of a lot of the problems Michael has described.

    • Gay Veteran

      “The problem is in our education system….”

      ROFLOL, yeah, like corporations shipping MILLIONS of American jobs overseas had nothing to do with our economic decline

      • DJohn1

        Good point. And who elected the people that allowed those jobs to go overseas?

        Now the system is fixed and no matter who you elect they appear to be at the beck and call of the corporations.
        With a real education system teaching people both vocations and how to think, a lot of those elected officials would not be there long.
        Our education system was designed to train people to be mindless idiots blindly following into corporate slavery.
        Well, the corporate slavery is now going to cheaper labor overseas and getting away with it.
        The desire to have a job on an assembly line was built in to the system. Now there is no need for assembly line jobs.
        In the near future robots will do most of the labor.
        The next step is to cull the herd down to a size more to their liking.

        • Priszilla

          The government was elected by 15% of Americans, while 70% said they don’t care either way, they willl not vote, “out of protest”.

          • DJohn1

            As one of those 15% voters, I thank the 70% that allow me to vote for them. Because that means my vote is worth 6+ times what it was worth otherwise.
            I am also on jury duty because Montgomery County chooses its jurys from the voting list. So if you are in trouble with the law and at the mercy of a jury then you are at my mercy as well as others who vote.
            The last time the judge thanked us for showing up!
            The woman involved is going back to jail because two lawyers got together and made an agreement with the judge.
            Why? She showed up late. She was on probation. She was involved with drugs.
            Yet I saw her as a victim.

            There has to be a good reason why a woman would risk packing a gun in a hotel room when it could send her back to jail. She obviously thought her life in jeopardy. Or she was protecting someone.
            Well, Merry Christmas, pathetic drug case, at least now you are in a protected environment, even if it is jail.
            It isn’t all about apathy. It often is that they have no idea who they would vote for anyway. They cannot afford to take off work to serve on a jury so they don’t put themselves on that list.

          • Priszilla

            It’s easier for foreigners. No right to vote, no jury duty, just the right to pay tax.

      • Sunny

        But when you, as a corporate owner, finds that someone asking thrice or even more pay/salary, compared to some overseas job seeker for the same job, you too would ship the said job 😉

        • Gay Veteran

          CEOs used to feel a responsibility to their workers and the community. But Wall Street greed killed that

          • Tom_F

            @Gay, they never did. That is some ‘urban myth ’50s-style’ thing you got off of black-and-white TV where mothers wore heels and pearls in the kitchen (actually, maybe that’s where you got your Gay tendencies, too). btw, US workers no longer are better; Chinese, Indian, etc. workers will work longer, harder and better than the average high-school union stooge gold-bricking away 20 of his 40 hour-workweek.

          • Gay Veteran

            you didn’t see CEOs make 100X what their average workers made, you didn’t see CEOs stay a few years and loot the company.

            heels and pearls? sounds like your dad.

            and yes, Chinese and Indian workers will work for slave wages, so time to bring back tariffs and tear up ALL these “free trade” agreements

          • Priszilla

            No, Chinese won’t work for slave wages anymore. The factories across the border from Hong Kong are looking for workers. Or they need to substantially increase the wages. No Chinese will work for minimum wage anymore.

          • FortuneSeek3rz

            Your ideas are aging rapidly. Time to update your repertoire.

          • Gay Veteran

            well we haven’t seen any ideas from you

          • anyone

            How many of these foreigners working here have you had a conversation with? No, they don’t like these longer hours without a day off as indentured servants to repay their sponsors. And, contrary to popular belief there are ceo’s that DO CARE about their employees, though I’m not aware of any who are beholden to shareholders rather than the people that do the actual work to make that business a success. i.e how many of those girls working at the mart stores own stock in those marts of America? How can you, as a fellow employee in the workforce of America, spend a dime at any business that pays poverty wages while dividends are paid out to those not lifting a finger to make that business a success! Pardon me, but what about the people doing the labor? I can’t get behind the poverty wage paying businesses that are listed in the stock pages no matter what the sale is. The taxes to supplant these low poverty wages make us all poor! Ethics in consumption! Do your business with companies that treat their employees well.

        • Businesses need to be owned by the workers. How many jobs would have been offshored if workers could simply have voted against it, and/or removed the corporate board proposing such an idea in the next biennial election?

          • Sunny

            “Businesses need to be owned by the workers.”
            I too like dreaming of becoming a billionaire while staying in a single-room cottage 😉

          • Ownership of share capital and control over business operations should be separated; this is easily done with the creation of different share classes. Entrepreneurs can still be billionaires by virtue of possessing billions of dollars of marketable securities in the companies they founded, but which confer voting rights to a separate minority pool of board seats.

            Germany has a somewhat similar model, but with a two-tier board structure. And, last I checked, it was an industrial powerhouse and economic success, not a banker-owned nightmare like the US.

          • Priszilla

            If you can afford a single room cottage in Hong Kong, you are a millionaire.

          • Orange Jean

            More Marxist-Leninist nonsense.

            Businesses CAN be owed by the workers… it’s called starting your own company. Not easy though, and not everyone is willing to put in the time, effort and risk involved… hence “jobs”.

            I once worked for a company that was started by 4 men who had gotten laid off from their last job. They paid a huge price in terms of time, risk, and put in their savings. When the economy was going well… they made a good profit… but when the economy was bad, they ate it.

            I was laid off during one of the bad spells… but they kept the company afloat by working without any salary for a number of years. They actually offered all their employees at that time to become owners and share the risk with them. They managed to keep their company, eventually things got getter. I respect them for what they did… but I personally don’t have what it takes to take that kind of risk. Not many do.

          • Priszilla

            Yes, businesses can be owned by workers, but it is not standard.
            There were always privatly owned businesses in socialist countries, but the majority was state-owned, or collectively owned.

            And there are great privatly owned companies that do more for their workers than shareholder owned companies.

            When I did my MBA we watched a video about SAS Inc and Jim Goodnight.
            While my classmates all ohd and ahd about the social welfare in that company – kindergarten, sports facilities, doctor’s practice, elderly care, etc. I was brought back to my socialist country where I grew up and we all had what he had.

          • Indeed, shareholder ownership is the problem. I am not opposed to small or midsize privately held businesses in any way, shape, or form.

          • Priszilla

            The workers can also be shareholders. The problem comes when shareholders do not work but draw all money from the company.

            That happened in socialist countries. People thought: I’m one of the owners, so it’s my right to destroy what I own.

  • VigilanteCaregiver

    How ’bout some more numbers?

    Current US population stands at 316 million. Current illegal immigration population is 11.7 million. Abortions per year are 1.4 million. That’s just a crime. Now here’s what’s worse: population of infants is 0.65% and 23-year-old’s is 0.75% (population clock website). That infant population should be the highest population in the US. It’s weak. “Answers dot com” website claims 2-3 abortions every minute – population clock says 1 birth every 8 seconds. Our replacement rate since Roe v Wade is collapsing.

    2.1 children per couple is fine when living in a utopian bubble. The reality is that in the best of times a replacement rate of 2.8 is needed. In poorer countries, however, due to higher mortality rates, disease, hunger, and the like a replacement rate of 4.1 is needed just to ensure the current population.

    So, many are reading this and probably thinking – you’re stupid! Poor people can’t feed themselves, there’s not enough farmland, there’s not enough food. Try some real numbers… Well, that’s all false. Farming has become very efficient over the years to the point where governments are forcing farmers to reforest land and not farm to prevent deflation. Even home gardening is refined to the point where a family of 6 can support themselves with necessities on a 300′ X 350′ plot. Water reclamation techniques and technologies are to the point that fresh water can be available.

    The problem is tyranny and iniquity. Wars and conflicts, corruption, and gross iniquity is forcing people into poverty in order to control them. This is the greatest means of hunger today. Even the World Food Program with the UN is reporting these reasons as the top 3 reasons for hunger. After this its poor infrastructure and outdated farming methods.

    Killing off the have-not’s or forcing the poor to not reproduce is fallacy and dangerous. We are not killers – and those who are calling for this must take a looooong look at their life’s direction. We are losing people too fast at this time, and replacing our murdered children with illegal immigrants won’t solve the problem.

    Repairing our financial world and such will be a blessing to all, but for the actual poor and their families, they must be given broader rights to farm whatsoever land they legally can. Any unused government lots, roof-tops, front yards, etc. should be opened up for their use. Allow them to keep small livestock (rabbits, chickens, quails, and pygmy goats are good examples) to fertilize the land and provide more foods. Allow for water collection to cut down on costs. If government and those of the government religion actually cared about their people, they’d had already done this instead of constant food stamps.

    • T.

      Agree. Good post. Regarding illegal aliens (immigrants) the number you gave was 11.7 million – I don’t know if anybody knows for sure but I have heard that there are 2 to 4 times that many here. They are a huge strain on the social systems of local communities.

      • Mike Smithy

        Very true. If the gubmint says there are 11 million illegals, you can bet there at least 22 million. If the gubmint says the unemployment rate is 6%, you can bet it’s at least 12%. If the gubmint says the inflation rate is 2%, you can bet it’s at least 4%. You get the idea.

        • Orange Jean

          A few years ago they were estimating more like 30 million. I doubt very much the number has gone down since then…

      • VigilanteCaregiver

        It’s the only actual number I could find (came from statisticbrain’s website). 2 to 4 times is very plausible.

    • srknox

      Let, ignorant, godless, poverty sticken, multi generations of non working, unproductive, uneducated, procreate? ARE YOU SERIOUS? ZOMBIES from cradle to grave are what this shovernment has promised. You’d want that for your children? THAT’S THE REAL HORROR STORY, heaped upon your very soul and being, compliments of a corrupt and illegal traitorous shovernment near you. Does your mother, son or father work for the government, at the city, state, or federal level? Then you unwittingly contibute to their destructive agenda of the people and structure of this country. How? They write the rules, have you bend a few, refuse to enforce a few and break a few, have change the laws, then pay you up to 5 times as much pay for the same work as the average person, and so you keep humanity stuck, and keep them stuck in a position for the slaughter that will surely come. Intellect slaughtered. Reasoning slaughtered. Morals, slaughtered. Freedoms and rights slaughtered. Values, decency, love, compassion, slaughtered. All the GOOD slaughtered. Human BEINGS slaughtered. And that blood will be on YOUR hands if you contnue to calmly and quietly stand by, do nothing but go along with the system so you can collect your paychecks. And how long will you, your nice lifestyle, and your HUSH money last? Just about as long as the rest of us. You’ll be destroyed along will the rest of the of the inhabitants and the economy. Strike now with your own versions of chaos, refuse to implement the horrible anti freedom, anti american, anti citizen laws and directives. Refuse to implement the steps of Saul Alinsky’s playbook on how to strip a citizen of their freedoms and rights, take their children, break their will until they die or acquiece, over throw a good government in order to bring a more sinister, evil, and oppressive one in its place. Politically correct is political corruption. Refuse to allow satantic demonic evil religious zealots to influence, occupy and take over this country. Here’s some good advice. Want to have live, active thriving children? STOP WORSHIPPING SATAN, RELIGIONS THAT ADVOCATE BEHEADINGS, AND THE GOVERNMENT! Your freedom to have a decent life for you and your children is not going to come from any health, educational, or governmental satanically run institutions that embrace the opposite of those ideals! Want to have, live, thriving, productive, brave and good men, women and children? GIVE UP GOVERNMENTAL, FEAR MONGERING RELIGIOUS, NON EDUCATIONAL DELIBERATE ENSLAVEMENT SUPPORT. Believe, trust, hear, and most importantly follow the only true and real GOD of the Universe, his SON JESUS CHRIST and HIS commandments! HE LOVES ALL HIS

      • VigilanteCaregiver

        Umm… can you clarify this? It’s all over the place…

  • iKnow

    where is santa when we need him the most? D:

    • GSOB

      satan natas santa

  • DesolateEarth

    When you fail the children, you fail the nation.

  • srknox


    • srknox


    • Priszilla

      The religious zealots all over the world are really frightening.

    • GSOB

      1 Peter 3:15

  • Thinking

    The wheels are coming off all around us. It must be The Lord holding us up longer for some reason.

    • jcrosby35

      The Lord is allowing for a time of repentance. But that time is running out.

    • alan

      Fear of the unknown. Human nature to fear what will happen when the wheels do come off. Its time for the great reset.

  • Lorna Faith

    Apparently you have not checked out the benefits showered upon these people by food stamps. liheap, section 8 rental assistance, wic coupons, free medical care and assorted other benefits.
    The poor…thats a laugh. The real poor are the ones paying the taxes

    • End suburban proliferation and you will see all sorts of expenditures decline dramatically, not least housing-linked welfare spending.

    • VigilanteCaregiver

      They’re not real benefits. We’re on a lot of those programs (not by choice – in our situation, they actually are forcing us to be on welfare) and they’re not intended for recipients. Of the $60,000+ that Congress reports a single welfare recipient gets, for our family of 5 we only receive $18,000 total; housing and some other disability programs can’t come through – lack of funding. The vast majority of the money goes to high bureaucrat salaries and benefits.

      • sharonsj

        I know people on welfare, disability, food stamps, etc. If you believe that a single recipient gets $60,000 in benefits, I have a bridge to sell you. What is the source for that claim? (And if it’s the Heritage Foundation, forget it, they are lying.)

        • VigilanteCaregiver

          CBO, I believe.

        • krinks

          Person #1. Skimped and saved all the days of her life. Upon retirement she is being nickeled and dimed to death for out of pocket costs, having to cancel such things as the cell phone and trips to the Vet for her pet.
          Person #2. A life long dead beat. She now gets everything free and gets to keep her whole SS check on top of that.
          I know from years ago it works this ay for welfare as well.

        • none

          I cannot believe that MICHAEL would miss the point again!
          The real article should have been about this:

      • Lorna Faith

        I suggest that you look up the cost of a 100% hospitalization policy with no co-pays or deductibles including prescription drugs for one thing when considering what someone on the free stuff army (FSA) gets in benefits just to begin with. In addition to what is reported I know that here the Township Offices provides food baskets as well as hundreds of dollars in gifts for the kiddies at Christmas. The schools here charge activity fees for sports that the children are enrolled in. Thats also zeroed out for the FSAers. College cost are no big deal. That’s what Pell Grants are for. We also mustn’t forget Free PreK for all. Heaven forbid that a welfare mother have to sit home and watch the kids when she can instead devote her time to recreation and breeding exercises to create even more babies to assure her getting more free stuff,There are programs upon programs that do not get counted when the CBO makes its estimates. The costs of these parasites are the real reason why the taxpayers are the poor ones.

        • VigilanteCaregiver

          I get all of the expense reports in the mail after each visit, after each medication adjustment, after each change due to some bureaucrat smoking who-knows-what. I know the actual numbers.

          There’s also something else that many don’t seem to pick up on: we seriously don’t have a choice to be on welfare programs. It’s state law that we are. I tried taking us off – got a visit from family and child welfare.

    • Just Sayin´

      Not exactly.

      Some have gamed the system for several generation, decades and have zero shame doing so.
      Some even takes pride in their ability to get as much as they can.
      Others are new to all of this or are just too principled to game the system.

      The former do outnumber the latter.

  • Bob332

    #15 Let’s not forget the $948 Million that will be appropriated for the ILLEGAL children while OUR legal children suffer.

    • Nationalism is nothing more than a tool to divide the working class. Don’t succumb to it. The only way we can defeat international bankers is if we have worldwide solidarity.

  • El mico

    If you all just got off ya lazy fat arses and voted, you might actually get politicians that do something for your country, not just themselves.
    2012 elections was your best voter turnout with about 57% with less than half of that voting for those who are in power. So that works out to roughly a quarter of your population calling the shots.
    Doesn’t sound like a democracy to me.

    • laura m.

      Smart people quit voting years ago. Politicians are self serving scum of the earth; bums who get paid for doing nothing. People are also sick of political scandals, liars and crooks. Politicians work for the global elite even on the local and state levels. None can be trusted period. Congressmen, senators are lazy bums.

      • Priszilla

        If you don’t vote, you leave the playing field to those in power.

        The US has over 30 political parties. Why not give the smaller party a chance by voting for them?

        By increasing voter participation you automatically reduce the percentage for the big parties.

        And why not vote a homeless women into congress?

        • Mike Smithy

          We just got through voting a hapless president into office.

    • Gay Veteran


      • GSOB



        by bankruptcy

        • Gay Veteran

          what point are you trying to make?
          there might be 2 or 3 libertarians in each party in Congress

          • GSOB

            Our gridlocked, two party government debacle and our justice system are considered by many from around the planet as untrustworthy, … say the least.
            The USA’s culture is the laboratory producing generations of young people that are having babies, many of them having irresponsible parents,…. deriving benefits for themselves from the government –
            on and on it goes….
            the onslaught that is, as society slowly succumbs to total anarchy, …of which we see now as a foretaste, a glimpse of things to come. Our justice system is breaking apart.
            I’m in His Kingdom and God’s eyes are still roaming to and fro, throughout the earth, …
            This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.


            Acts 17:30-33


          • VigilanteCaregiver

            You’re libertairan? You sound like a progressive militant.

          • Gay Veteran

            can you read?

  • alan

    Its going to be worse next year. So we need to redefine what poverty is. Let say we lower the poverty line to $10,000 a year for a family of four. This will allow the middle class to come back while lowering the amount of people in poverty. As you see only a few digits were changed and no money spent to fix this problem.

  • Matt thomas

    We need to get tough on people having kids. How about no welfare unless you undergo sterilization? No kids no poverty

  • jakartaman

    The Major problem is that there is simply TOO many people on the planet. The USA is not the problem in this area. Third world nations are the problem and this is only going to end badly. Resource wars are going to help solve some of the problem.
    But think about where the end game ends what will stop the population growth. We all know it is on an unsustainable trajectory.

    • A steady population growth to about 10-12bn will not be a problem for the Earth. Creating 10-12bn people who live with the energy consumption of Americans is.

  • Tom_F

    It takes money, time, and skills to raise a child. Here at the end of 2014, the problem is getting better…but not fast enough. Of course unexpected things happen, but the large majority of these children were born into poverty. Bottom line: poor people need to stop having children they do not have the money, time and skills to raise.

    • Priszilla

      Yes, eventually all the poor people will be extinct and then the rich need to learn to clean up after themselves.

      Great concept. Reminds me of pol pot and his clean-sheet policy.

      • Tom_F

        Right. Because slaughtering 4 million countrymen is exactly the same thing as a 19 year-old dropout not having three kids by three different guys in 2014 in the USA.

  • brimp

    The “safety net” was sold as something to help you if you fall off the high wire but actually, it catches you like a fish. Once you are tangled in the net, it is difficult to escape. Poor girls are told that if they have a baby, the government will pay them hundreds of dollars a month. Once they have babies they find out that hundreds of dollars a month is not enough to raise a child and that if the woman gets married to someone who is working, then she will not get the free money. If they have no skills, education, or family support system then the only job that they can get pays very little and she takes it, she will lose the free money. The free money is a drug and half the country is addicted.

    Obamacare makes everyone pay money to the private insurance companies that put Obama in office. The government “helps” the poor by subsidizing the cost. If you start making any money, you lose the subsidy. This will cause people remain poor because they can’t afford to get richer.

    The solution is to dramatically reduce the welfare system. People in need will need to go to charities and see the people who voluntarily give money to help them eat. If they don’t behave or don’t say thank you then they will go hungry. It is this mechanism that, in the past, provided a safety net that wasn’t a fishing net. Currently, those caught in the net don’t say thank you. They say that those rich A-Holes are stealing my money. They don’t realize that they have made mistakes that has cause them not to be able feed their family.

    • Rob W

      Back in the ’70s my dad was a real two fisted man. My mother left before he killed her or hurt us, but we spent a couple years on the dole til she got her feet under her. She went on to secure a position at a fortune 500 and is retired, and I went on to college and now I pay taxes so someone else can get a hand up. I know there are abuses, but they don’t outnumber the success stories. I hope you never have to ask for help, it sucks.

      • Orange Jean

        Not fun, but I’m glad to hear you respect your mother for the choices she made… not many do, especially in those days.

        I was a single mom at 18, back in that same time period. I made the mistake of getting involved in a guy who I soon realized was a thief and well on his way to becoming a heroin addict. Unfortunately, I was pregnant by then. I dumped the guy, had my baby, and had to go on welfare for a few years. I kept my son and raise him alone, never regretted my choice… but it wasn’t easy. There was a lot of social hostility towards me (and sometimes towards my son) for me making those choices.

        Eventually I got a job, got off welfare, got job skills and an education and for many years now I’ve made enough to support myself and thrive. I also have been paying about 10x as much in taxes every year as I got in welfare. I think it worked out for me, and I hope your mother feels the same.

  • Dennis Richmond

    Everyone keeps talking about how bad it was in 2008 ! But I NEVER Noticed it even Happened !!! So if this is what everyone is so afraid of !!! I don’t get it !!! I thought it was much worse in the late 70’s !!! I don’t have money ! And I never did !!! But I still seem to get by !!!

    • GSOB

      Praise the Lord

  • steve

    It is clear that the U.S. is collapsing. I think deep down just about everyone knows this. Not just people in America, but look around the world. The economic policy makers of other nations are scrambling to lessen the blow as much as possible. And don’t think for a minute that those in power aren’t doing everything they can to slow the fall for THEIR sake not ours.

  • Orange Jean

    I was very poor at one point and knew plenty of single mothers. However, about 90% of them had been married at the time they had their kids, later divorced. Most of the divorces were due to one of three things (or often a combination): infidelity, booze, beatings. And they were poorer than need be, in large part because their former husbands did everything in their power to avoid paying any child support.

  • krinks

    Elections have consequences. When the Unions were strong and cared about the quality of life of their members they screamed from the highest peak about criminal third world parasites. President Eisenhower listened and sent them all packing. American goods were American made. No one dared off shore and then expect your vote. Today they do all these things and to that the Unions still vote Demonrat. Everyone in poverty gets what they deserve for not holding their elected leaders accountable.

    • I was with you until the last moment. Those in poverty are not responsible, when the bankers and industrialists control the media for the benefit of the top 0.01% and have spin experts working to fool the average American.

      We need a labor party in this country. The large union federations should break from the Democratic Party and join together to create such an organization, running their own candidates for Congress, local and state legislatures, governorships, and perhaps even the Presidency. Such a party would open up the door for a raft of anti-bank parties on the left and right that can help to restore some semblance of dignity to the US.

      • Orange Jean

        Sorry, but I believe you are looking at this through Marxist-Leninist lenses. Not a win as far as I can see.

        I believe one of the reasons our economy ended up in as bad a shape as it is now is because our cost of living is extremely high compared to those other countries we “off shored” jobs to… and that part of that discrepancy is cost of living is due to the high wages union jobs were paying (at least earlier).

        Unfortunately, it is not competitive to require a high salary for the same work that can be gotten elsewhere for pennies on the dollar.

        • Gay Veteran

          thus the need for tariffs and repeal of “free trade” agreements

      • krinks

        Those in poverty ARE responsible when they vote for people like the Clintons/Democrats that do their part to off shore jobs while taking union money and union votes.

  • Mudpie

    SO this new bill the GOP just voted on contains massive derivatives bailout provisions. THEY know what is coming down the road…

    • Orange Jean

      I noticed that as well… most disturbing!

    • Gay Veteran

      yet more proof Republicans=Democrats

  • TimeHasCome

    King Putt in the White Hut threw his own grandmother under the bus . Just guess what Sir Barry will do to us.

  • sherlock32555

    Brought to you by both parties!

  • JailBanksters

    Just how big is this place called Poverty, and if they don’t like living there then why don’t they just move.

  • GSOB

    Ecclesiastes 12:8-14

    Living Bible (TLB)

    All is futile, says the Preacher; utterly futile.

    But then, because the Preacher was wise, he went on teaching the people all he knew; and he collected proverbs and classified them. For the Preacher was not only a wise man but a good teacher; he not only taught what he knew to the people, but taught them in an interesting manner.

    The wise man’s words are like goads that spur to action. They nail down important truths.
    Students are wise who master what their teachers tell them.

    But, my son, be warned: there is no end of opinions ready to be expressed. Studying them can go on forever and become very exhausting!

    Here is my final conclusion: fear God and obey his commandments, for this is the entire duty of man. For God will judge us for everything we do, including every hidden thing, good or bad.

  • frank1569

    Whaaaaat? Big Corp News says our economy is awesome! Gas is cheap, jobs are plentiful, wages are rising, we’re winning the terror wars, consumer confidence is SPIKING, inflation is low, stocks and corporate profits are at record highs, CEO salaries are skyrocketing, and holiday retail sales are boooooming!

    Big Corp News couldn’t report all of that 24/7 if it weren’t totally true, right?

  • Bruce

    So the Big O above; getaway driver for the 1% Bernanksters; has not only been $ticking it to the man, but their wives And CHILDREN. As ILL. No wonder he wishs it were A $ECRET!

  • Lorna Faith

    I agree but their excuse would be “what about the children” that always pops up when someone even suggests doing anything rational. I asked once why free meals should be provided at schools when the parents get SNAP benefits. I was told that the parents often sell the SNAP provided food for cash for drugs etc and so by providing school food they assure themselves that “the children” are fed. If the parents don’t care about the kids why should the taxpayers? My thoughts are that the parents look at having kids as a way to make a living. I have to admit, it sure provides a large class of future Democrat voters. Sorta like a vote farm for them

  • VigilanteCaregiver

    Agreed. Utah already does this.

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  • Orange Jean

    Interesting comments… also, why is it our government has decided that alcoholism is a disability?

    I knew a woman who was laid off, who ended up for a time working part time (only work she could find)… cleaning house for an alcoholic who was getting government money (disability) to stay home and drink. That was in the 90s, don’t know if it’s still on the books.

  • Rexx Vernon Shelton

    “Almost two-thirds (65 percent) of children,” said the Census Bureau, “lived in households that participated in at least one or more of the following government aid programs:…”

    Why is this not counted as lifting them out of poverty? I know many people who access these programs that live better than I do, and I am not considered living in poverty.

  • Gay Veteran

    If you’re big enough to bribe…….er, contribute to politicians, then you pay lower taxes:

    “…the company has clearly been aggressive in reducing its tax burden through various tax credits and deductions created by the federal government (one example is clean energy incentives). It also has been creative in moving a good deal of its profits offshore….”

    • Malcolm Reynolds

      Makes people with brains wonder why you mouth breathers think that 70%, 80%, 90% tax rates would work.

      Please demonstrate with scans of your tax returns where you have ever paid your taxes and not tried to reduce them, skippy.

      • Gay Veteran

        great strawman since I have NEVER advocated such tax rates.
        in fact we might be better having 0% corporate tax and treat dividends and capital gains as ordinary income.
        and btw, I don’t give bribes…, contributions to politicians to reduce my taxes like corporations do.

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          great strawman since I have NEVER advocated such tax rates.
          You just vote and agree with the people that do. Is that it, skippy?

          • Gay Veteran

            but great strawman

      • Gay Veteran

        mouth breather? you fogging up a mirror again

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          Ahh, the ‘I know you are but am I’ defense again.
          Not surprising given the ridiculously impotent debates you offer.

          • Gay Veteran

            impotent? didn’t your wife say that

          • Malcolm Reynolds


          • Gay Veteran

            ROFLOL, checkers is more your game

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            And sodomy is yours.

          • Gay Veteran

            and like heterosexuals don’t? LOL

  • FortuneSeek3rz

    I still maintain that despite the immorality we observe today, there is no better time or place in the history of the world to be alive than the US of A in the year 2014. We have more creature comforts than ever. It’s almost sickening when you think about how good we’ve got it.

  • VigilanteCaregiver

    Went to the link and got the WhoTrades blog. No population numbers.

    Also look at your conclusions. Are you claiming that those unborn children were to be felons and problem students worthy of execution before birth?! By what stretch of the imagination can you make such a claim?

    I really need to be selective on who I respond to.

    • Tom_F

      Show me your numbers. Any population website will show you that US and World pop. is increasing, I have never heard of the premise you are promoting.
      My “conclusion” is nothing of the sort. But my “conclusion” that 80% of the US population does not pay their own way for work production and tax payments is accurate. Adding 50 million to the US population, ignoring that they would be aborted from poor and uneducated single women unable or unwilling to parent, guarantees that at least 40 million would be ‘deadweight’.

    • Tom_F

      No smartaleck reply? Oh, well. In the meantime, here is another FACT for you to digest…the great percentage of prison population is fatherless. The great percentage of abortions is to women without a partner (legal or otherwise). The crime rate has been decreasing for years, as abortions are legal, cheaper, and not stigmatized for young-poor-uneducated women. Coincidence? Hmmmmmm…

      • VigilanteCaregiver

        I’m busy! Do have a life outside of here, you know!

        I stated known facts – all cited sources have that info on their sites.

        And seriously, get professional help.

        • Tom_F

          Search “65 Percent of Children Live in Households on Federal Aid Programs” and you will know the truth. Aborted babies, probably much higher.

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Without a legitimate judgement and sentencing by proper authority for a felony – killing these unborn children for unproven and uncommitted criminal actions is murder. Claiming that poor people commit crimes without direct proof that these children had (past tense – HAD) committed an actual felony is below anecdotal; it’s the kind of spaghetti logic all mass murderers use to rationalize their crimes. You need to prove it’s not an actual murder. The scientific evidence, however, points to genocide.

            And I stand behind my previous comment that all those who call for killing the unborn need to face some level of prosecution for aiding genocidal actions. Even if it’s a permanent criminal record without time served might have to be enough with the numbers of your lot doing this.

  • JFG

    Now you know why I play the lottery to try to win Multi Millions. Skill is useful in life, but it means nothing when nobody will hire you, you are underemployed, in debt, and/or struggling to pay the bills, let alone put food on the table to feed your hungry children. Most Americans are one crisis away from broke.In this economy, Mega Millions and Powerball are the only way for most people to retire.

  • Malcolm Reynolds

    That easier to understand?
    No, it makes you a moron for parroting the same stupid crap twice. Run along now, I’m done making a fool out of you.

  • Malcolm Reynolds

    Soooooo, you’re filibustering now?

    From YOUR link.

    “The term [Iron Curtain] symbolized efforts by the Soviet Union to block itself and its satellite states from open contact with the west and non-Soviet-controlled areas

    from YOU

    “Russians shut the border.”
    So much for them claims that the west dropped the Iron Curtain.

  • Dano5

    The biggest problem that I see is the pervasive sense of Entitlement that I see. Wall St. banks and big investors whine like stuck pigs at the prospect of losing their “Quantitative Easing” of $85 Billion a month. And these same big banks just convinced Congress and the President that they should be able to gamble with the money in depositors’ FDIC-insured accounts — so that the U.S. Government, and we, the Taxpayers, can cover their gambling losses.

    When they point the finger of shame at Food Stamp / WIC recipients & people who collect unemployment insurance, there are three fingers pointed at themselves.

    And there should be many more.

  • Guest

    Libs are pusses

  • Gil G

    “Poor” Americans would be seen as well-off to the truly poorest parts of the world. Being on welfare doesn’t automatically make people truly poor.

  • Jeff Wiitala

    The United States economy at one time was one huge ecosystem no my of millions of micro economies,the farmers who had excess goods to sell took them to the local creamery,cheese factory or brewery,every town in America of any size had them.Those three places in turn provided good jobs for local ppl,which in turn created other industries and businesses to support them.This has been gone for decadesThrough govt red tape,worthless money has succeeded in destroying these micro economies.Producers of anything now are at the mercy of big multinational giants in bed with the Fed’s.In my state a battle has been going on over the right to sell raw milk,and I’ve read the Fed’s so hate farmers markets they plan to regulate them out of existence,anything a individual can do on his/her own the statists despise.

  • Jeff Wiitala

    Children living in poverty is nothing new we have the tools to correct it,it’s called sound real money

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