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15 Quotes From Our Founding Fathers About Economics, Capitalism And Banking

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George Washington At The Constitutional Convention 1787 - Public DomainWhy have we turned our backs on the principles that this nation was founded upon?  Many of those that founded this nation bled and died so that we could experience “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”.  And yet we have tossed their ideals aside as if they were so much rubbish.  Our founders had experienced the tyranny of big government (the monarchy) and the tyranny of the big banks and feudal lords, and they wanted something very different for the citizens of the new republic that they were forming.  They wanted a country where private property was respected and hard work was rewarded.  They wanted a country where the individual was empowered, and where everyone could own land and start businesses.  They wanted a country where there were severe restrictions on all large collections of power (government, banks and corporations all included).  They wanted a country where freedom and liberty were maximized and where ordinary people had the power to pursue their dreams and build better lives for their families.  And you know what?  While no system is ever perfect, the experiment that our founders originally set up worked beyond their wildest dreams.  But now we are killing it.  Why in the world would we want to do that?

Most people are under the illusion that the United States has a “capitalist economy” today, but that simply is not accurate.  At best, we have a “mixed economy” that is becoming a little bit more socialist with each passing day.  We pay dozens of different types of taxes each year, and some Americans actually end up giving more of their earnings to the government than they keep themselves.  But that is still not enough, and so our state governments have accumulated astounding amounts of debt, and our federal government has amassed the largest single debt that the world has ever seen.  If future generations of Americans get the chance, they will curse us for the chains of debt that we have placed upon their shoulders.

So what do our government officials do with all of this money?

Well, today approximately 70 percent of all federal government activity involves taking money from some Americans and giving it to other Americans.

Despite this unprecedented wealth-redistribution program, poverty is absolutely exploding in this country and 49 million Americans are dealing with food insecurity.

Meanwhile, the bankers have been getting fabulously wealthy from all of this debt.  The Federal Reserve system was designed to trap the U.S. government in an endless spiral of debt from which it could never possibly escape, and that mission has been accomplished.  In fact, the U.S. national debt is now more than 5000 times larger than it was when the Federal Reserve was first created a little more than 100 years ago.

Most people like to think of big banks as “capitalist” institutions, but that is not really accurate.  In the end, giant corporate banks like we have in the United States are actually collectivist institutions.  They tend to greatly concentrate wealth and power, and socialists find those kinds of banks very useful.

In fact, Vladimir Lenin once said that “without big banks, socialism would be impossible.”

While there may be a bit of animosity between big government and big banks once in a while, the truth is that they are usually very closely tied to one another.  We saw this close relationship very clearly during the financial crisis of 2008, and it is no secret that there is a revolving door between the boardrooms of Wall Street and the halls of power in Washington.  The elite dominate both spheres, and it is not for the benefit of the rest of us.

In America today, government just keeps getting bigger and the banks just keep getting bigger.  Meanwhile, the percentage of self-employed Americans is at an all-time low and the middle class is steadily dying.

What we are doing right now is clearly not working.

So why don’t we go back and do the things that we were doing when we were extremely successful as a nation?

In case you don’t know what those things were, here are some clues…

#1 “A wise and frugal government… shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government.” — Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1801

#2 “A people… who are possessed of the spirit of commerce, who see and who will pursue their advantages may achieve almost anything.” – George Washington

#3 “Government is instituted to protect property of every sort; as well that which lies in the various rights of individuals, as that which the term particularly expresses. This being the end of government, that alone is a just government which impartially secures to every man whatever is his own.” – James Madison, Essay on Property, 1792

#4 “Banks have done more injury to the religion, morality, tranquility, prosperity, and even wealth of the nation than they can have done or ever will do good.” – John Adams

#5 “To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.” — Thomas Jefferson, letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816

#6 “The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If ‘Thou shalt not covet’ and ‘Thou shalt not steal’ were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free.” — John Adams, A Defense of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America, 1787

#7 “I place economy among the first and most important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers to be feared. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. If we run into such debts, we must be taxed in our meat and drink, in our necessities and in our comforts, in our labor and in our amusements.” – Thomas Jefferson

#8 “Beware the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry.” – Thomas Paine

#9 “If we can but prevent the government from wasting the labours of the people, under the pretence of taking care of them, they must become happy.” – Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Cooper, November 29, 1802

#10 “All the perplexities, confusion and distress in America arise not from defects in the Constitution or Confederation, not from a want of honor or virtue so much as from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit and circulation.” – John Adams, at the Constitutional Convention (1787)

#11 “The principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale.” – Thomas Jefferson

#12 “Liberty must at all hazards be supported. We have a right to it, derived from our Maker. But if we had not, our fathers have earned and bought it for us, at the expense of their ease, their estates, their pleasure, and their blood.” – John Adams, 1765

#13 “If ever again our nation stumbles upon unfunded paper, it shall surely be like death to our body politic. This country will crash.” – George Washington

#14 “I wish it were possible to obtain a single amendment to our Constitution. I would be willing to depend on that alone for the reduction of the administration of our government to the genuine principles of its Constitution; I mean an additional article, taking from the federal government the power of borrowing.” – Thomas Jefferson

#15 “When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.” — Benjamin Franklin

  • Rodster

    As the saying goes: “Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely”. That’s why we are at this point. We are no better off than the tyranny the founding fathers freed us from. Our Govt is just as bad as what they fought against. Except there was no such things as drones, EMP’s, nukes or the technology to make George Orwell smile back in those days.

    • Mike Smithy

      The wisdom of these old dead white men was and to this day, truly exceptional. The quote from Thomas Jefferson (#14) resonates with me. We are way past due for a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution.

      • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

        It is true.

        Sadly, I do not think that we will ever see one.

        Michael

        • Hermann Weissenhaupt

          Americans still believe in the paradigm that they are free,
          when the reality is the opposite and the US Constitution implicitly
          define them as subservients.

          Remember that this document is a summarized compendium of
          British Common Law, Admiralty Law and Canon Law (under the express
          guidelines and orders of the Vatican the latter – read the
          communications between Pope Pius VI and Benjamin Franklin);
          the framers wanted to make sure that the ignorant masses living within
          the circumscribed territories called the United States of America remain
          under such condition – their ulterior and ultimate goal.

          Additionally, the Act of 1871 made possible for the Vatican
          and the British Empire to manage more efficiently the corporation called
          THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. According to the Constitution, all
          individuals born within the territories in which this corporation exerts
          an effective jurisdiction are cataloged as less than human beings, they
          automatically lose their quality of natural persons by birth or by
          naturalization; instead, these people become financial instruments until
          the day they cease to exists.

          The lawful stockholders of this corporation called THE
          UNITED STATES OF AMERICA are located at Buckingham Palace and St.
          Peter’s Basilica.

          In brief, ordinary Americans are indeed less than subjects of
          the British Crown and dependants of the wishes of Her Majesty Queen
          Elizabeth II; simultaneously, the Sancta Catholica Apostolica Ecclesia
          is their absolute Sovereign and dictates all aspects of their daily
          lives.

          • BoboSixx II

            Could you show where in the U.S. Constitution it “Implicitly” defines the people of America as “subservients?”
            My understanding of our U.S. Constitution is, we as “Individual” Americans and “We the people” of America, are the supreme law above all else, except for God. It’s called, our God given “Inalienable Rights.” That was also reaffirmed in our Bill of Rights.
            That is why obama/soetoro is trying to kill our Constitutional Rights.
            Aside from that, you are right about the reign of British Monarchy control over our Tyrannical Government EMPLOYEES.
            Namaste.

          • Adrian

            Correct.

          • Mike Smithy

            I have to disagree with the premise of the Sovereign Citizen mantra. I occasionally come across some of you pushing the Offset Bond Scam. You take bits and pieces of history and try to manipulate truth in the same manner that Scientologists promote their distorted brand of religion.

          • BoboSixx II

            I think he was referring to the British Monarchy about the Sovereign doctrine mantra that he mentioned at the end of his comment, not the citizens.
            Namaste.

        • Adrian

          I can think of a few: Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and FDR. Other than those 3, not many come to mind.

          • RedPillPlease

            Oh wow! Adrian, you owe it to yourself to read Prof Thomas DiLorenzo’s “The Real Lincoln,” Robert Stinnett’s “Day of Deceit: The Truth About FDR and Pearl Harbor” and then ole Theodore, a dyed in the wool Socialist who did break ranks with the Republican Party to join the Bull Moose Party, America’s early Progressive movement. Please, turn off that TV and spend some time reading. Truth is stranger than fiction my friend.

          • Adrian

            1) I don’t watch TV; I don’t even have cable. 2) I read all the time. 3) This BS about FDR knowing about Pearl Harbor in advance is EAISILY dismissed. Why? Because if we had evidence the Japs were steaming towards Pearl to attack, we could invoke our inherent right to self-defense and preemptively attack them. We would have done that and could have declared war on Japan, and because they were coming to attack us, the people would have backed the war just like they did after Pearl. Lastly, TR was no socialist, but rather an imperialist and a nationalist. However, he did oppose corporate power riding roughshod over the people. If you want to call that socialism, well, I’ll chuckle a bit and shake my head for us both.

          • RedPillPlease

            Hmmmm … ok. Sorry to have wasted your time, won’t happen again.

          • Adrian

            You didn’t waste my time. You can respond to what I wrote, either agreeing or disagreeing and have a conversation (the entire point of discussion fora), or you can make cryptic comments and say no more.

          • RedPillPlease

            No, you misunderstand … I don’t belong here. I come from being a forum administrator of the “Paleo-Conservative” nature, the Barry Goldwater, Robert Taft and Jesse Helms ideologies. I’ve examined enough posts in here, including having my own removed to understand the message being offered here.

          • Adrian

            I don’t think people’s messages should be removed unless they are off topic or simply engage in ad hominem attacks. Barring that, should be 100% free speech.

          • GSOB

            Proverbs 25:11

          • GSOB

            I enjoy reading your comments.

            I think Ron Paul was the man.

            I like Clint Eastwood icon.
            Kinda of reflects the American tough guy.

            Don’t go.

  • who?

    We can always divert society attention on certain problem by creating new problem. When society start to pay attention & question that new problem, create even new problem – again, to divert their attention. Repeat as much as necessarily & eventually society will be dumb enough to see all that problems as “no problem at all” – unknown

  • Kent Harris

    When immorality prevails;
    Tyranny is not far behind.
    Kent Harris

  • Richard

    15 is the one that impresses me the most all the other are good to. This is so true now a days.

  • Doghouseworthy

    It is rather a simple explanation to me…the US is under the judgement of God

    • Gay Veteran

      hmmmmm, and yet god ignored all those decades of slavery

  • Bill

    To answer the first sentence: “Greed of a few and complacency of many.”

  • Bill

    Has modern day education forgotten the wisdom of those great Statesmen quoted above?

    • XSANDIEGOCA

      No but it has ignored if not suppressed that wisdom.

  • FortuneSeek3rz

    It’s amazing how relevant their wisdom is to today’s society. It’s like the core issues haven’t changed in 200 plus years.

  • K

    A republic requires an informed citizenry. Yeah we do not have that. A republic requires a citizenry, that both appreciates, and understands what they have. Yeah we do not have that either. So is it any surprise, we do not really have a republic anymore?

    • BoboSixx II

      Have Faith in our citizens of the World.
      Because of these alternative news articles of Truth that are posted, those of us reading them, commenting on them, talking about them, to each other, our family, friends and neighbors, are helping the World to Wake Up to the Truth.
      This is how change in Global Power and our Freedom & Abundance for All, will come about.
      We are our own Saviors.
      Once the World’s societies join together in Peace & Harmony, we will be Free of all Tyranny on our Earth.
      Love & Light will ALWAYS prevail over negative Energies.
      Namaste.

      • laura m.

        Bobo: Problem is, informing others hasn’t worked in over sixty years and things are getting worse. Just ask informed seniors who worked in vain trying to inform for decades. Patriot groups/org. have been hijacked by the left and the internet/talk radio is only way to get real news anymore. Best not to join anything and stay low key with small group connected friends/family. I quit talking to others yrs ago. It’s time to hunker down and only get info online. No one cares anyway except the informed which are too few to matter. America is finished.

        • K

          We have a most interesting problem in this Country. The grand majority of people are addicts. No, not to drugs or even booze. But to entertainment, or to put it another way, distraction. Video games, TV, even some recreational pursuits. All distractions from a life they are not happy with. And just like a drug addict, all they care about is their next fix of distraction. This is why we are losing this Country. 80% of the population are addicts, and their next fix is all they think about. Such a society has very little chance.

          • guguciao

            Good point.

            Most Americans are now deaf, dumb, and distracted. Distracted by the NFL, NBA, MLB, American Idol, the Kardashians, etc.

            With so many Americans distracted by things that are not going to raise their standard of living in any way, the rich keep getting richer at the expense of the distracted, dumbed-down masses.

        • BoboSixx II

          I disagree. The last thing we need to do is keep a low key.
          We need to have our voices heard through out the World.
          We must wake up the people no matter what it takes.
          We cannot give up.
          America the people is not finished.
          America the Corporation loyal only to the British Monarchy is finished, along
          with all of the Tyrannical Employees that have betrayed our Trust for over 100 years.
          Their time is up.
          We just have to remove them, clean up their mess and get this World on the right track of Love &Light for all.
          Namaste.

        • RedPillPlease

          I can agree wholeheartedly, and it isgetting worse” due to the exponentially lopsided ratios growing between apathy and enlightenment. When you read surveys noting the 30 and under crowd consider Late Night TV as worthwhile “news,” it doesn’t take a PhD to recognize a serious problem. America is on board the Titanic and too many have chosen to busy themselves by rearranging the deck chairs!

        • Albert8184

          Laura, consider more deeply what Bobo said. Look at the words he’s using. And the concepts.

          Do you recognize the one world philosophy when you see it? For what he is telling you is nothing less than the spiritualism of the NWO.

          • Bill G Wilminton NC

            Well said

        • Bill G Wilminton NC

          Laura well said….FINISHED and by design.

      • Donald Wilson

        Eloquently stated, could not have stated it any better. However, there are millions who still have their heads buried in the sand. As Laura M. stated the next false flag could send us into martial law, when that day arrives our goose is surely cooked and the game is over. It’s Camp FEMA for the masses, for me I’m outta here before the perverbial SHTF. Good luck to one and all…

        • BoboSixx II

          I haven’t said anything about “False flags or Marshall law.” I think you are referring to someone else’s comment.
          Namaste.

          • Donald Wilson

            Sorry that statement was made by Laura M.

      • RedPillPlease

        Bobo, perhaps you err in optimism(?), but your post reads like the playbook from the New World Order illuminist’s who preach an identical message!

        It would be impossible for “the World’s societies to join togetherwithout a totalitarian global enforcement in place to manage and merge all cultures, religions (and whose?), currency, industry, trade etc together in one giant bundle. This requires a global dictator … a supreme oligarchy!

        • BoboSixx II

          Dude, take a Chill Pill!
          I NEVER said ANYTHING about the things you just mentioned.
          You compare my comment with the illuminati new world order? “Reads like a playbook.”
          Astounding!
          My beliefs is the polar OPPOSITE of theirs.
          I’m only talking about the World uniting in Peace & Abundance for all through Respect for each other.
          Ending all wars.
          Remove the Tyrants from power, replacing them with people of Good Sound character, etc.
          I NEVER said ANYTHING about “merging” all that you said.
          Get your facts straight BEFORE you fly off the handle and jump on someones comment making FALSE allegations about their meaning.
          You said that I err in my optimism.
          You err in your perception of peoples comments.
          Namaste.

          • Albert8184

            Ha. Take a chill pill??? Is that something out of the Upanishads too, Mr. Namaste?

            You are Illuminati in spirit, through and through. People are catching on to this stuff, Bobo. Heck, people were writing about this stuff 50 years ago. You’re a one worlder.

          • laura m.

            Just another troll no doubt, and doesn’t understand history.

          • BoboSixx II

            Really?
            WE SHALL SEE WHO’S THE REAL TROLL.
            I’m for Love & Light for ALL.
            You and Albert8184 are attacking a LIGHTWORKER that is FOR Humanity, without ANY proof to your accusations.
            YOU CLEARLY DON’T UNDERSTAND THE MEANING MY WORDS.
            You say I don’t understand history?
            You and Albert CLEARLY don’t understand the TRUTH about our history and you DARE accuse me of not knowing?
            PROVE IT.
            NAMASTE.

          • Tony

            Who is Jesus, “lightworker?”

          • BoboSixx II

            You don’t know?
            Then I suggest you do diligent research on the subject and you will find out.
            Namaste.

          • Michael

            Bobo, I am afraid they are right.
            If i may say respectfully:
            I know you are sincere, but you may not understand the Illuminati play book, and their end game tactics.

            The Illuminati will use man-kinds natural tenancies toward love and kindness to unite those who think like you do, with love and kindness.

            This has been well though out in the think tanks of the elite.

            Most here believe that the world will be irrevocably changed for the worst when a certain person unites the world under the guise of world peace, thus creating a unified world of commerce, religion and military power. the peace will not last because ultimate power corrupts ultimately.

            I can hear your sincerity in your posts.

            Maybe gain some knowledge about the Illuminati and the tactics they intend to employ. You will find it is rather counter intuitive to what you would think a malefactor (bad guy) would be up to. That is their whole trick, and they got you brother.

            No bad feelings from me,

            Namaste

          • BoboSixx II

            I still don’t understand how you people are trying to interject Illuminati nwo doctrine fantasies into my comments.
            Explain to me how I’m supposed speak of Love & Light intentions without you all misunderstanding my comments?
            What words do you want me to use so you people will not take my comments the wrong way and take certain sentences out of context to make it fit your own twisted views?
            Also, what makes ANY of you such experts on Illuminati speak?
            If you disagree, then JUST disagree.
            You come up with these ignorant rebuttals that makes NO sense to me since I KNOW I’m NOT promoting the Illuminati nwo in ANYWAY.
            Your perceptions toward my comments are completely WRONG.
            Namaste.

          • BoboSixx II

            Albert8184 and laura m., what in Gods Creation are you two accusing me of?
            That I’m promoting something related to the illuminatti or nwo?
            Are you INSANE!?
            You two are in a blind fantasy with your ignorant comments to me.
            PROVE WHAT YOU SAY AGAINST MY COMMENTS!
            I KNOW THAT YOU CANNOT!
            Both of you have obviously NOT read ALL of my comments on this thread.
            If you two did, then you would NOT have made such STUPID and UNINFORMED comments toward me that you did.
            YOU TWO ARE HYPOCRITE SHILLS AND TROLLS!
            I am for the FREEDOM and ABUNDANCE for Society.
            Not illuminati and nwo enslavement that you two are suggesting of my comments.
            You two have ABSOLUTELY NO grounds for your accusations against my comments.
            Pure sheeples to the core you two are.
            So sad.
            NAMASTE.

        • Albert8184

          At last. Thank you. Somebody catches the ulterior motive. What he’s giving you is the NWO’s spiritual message. And yes, the globalist movement has a spiritual component.

          • RedPillPlease

            Appreciate your approval. Yes, I’ve been reading the “spiritualist” New Age movement for quite some time. I’m repulsed with Helen Blavatsky (Theosophical Society) and her “Secret Doctrine” which only fueled Hitler’s (Thule Society) evil ideology. Alice Bailey, Helen’s protege who founded the Lucifer Publishing Co. in NYC and inspired the “Meditation Room” on the 7th floor of the UN bldg. This would include a related philosophy embedded in Freemasonry, directed at the Scottish and York Rite sects. Albert Pike and Manly P. Hall whose philosophies pervade the upper degrees which are a heavy influence within the “Beltway.” I actually started researching the NWO back in 1991 and have accumulated more material than I can keep up with.

            Paul’s warning to the Ephesians in 6:12 have literally been lifted from the Bible’s pages and now permeate our own society. If only people would awake from their slumber!

        • Ace

          Any quote with that many capital letters has to be highly suspect.

      • Albert8184

        Namaste?

        I prefer the original prayers of the colonies to the Lord of the Harvest.

        It’s funny how people here – professing a belief in freedom and liberty – merely nod in agreement with you as you espouse the very principles which would destroy America and lead the entire world into the tyranny of a New World Order. Almost as if the pretty words are more important than their own meaning.

        • Bill G Wilminton NC

          well said

    • laura m.

      K: absolutely right. This country has been hijacked now for decades. Derailed over a cliff into the abyss by the end of this decade or a matter of a few years. A false flag leading into martial law is next. All w e can do is prepare our family. Anything we do politically to incl voting is utterly useless at this point. Congress has been bought along with state and local politicians. Church leaders remain silent because they are controlled by the IRS.

      • Gay Veteran

        “…Church leaders remain silent because they are controlled by the IRS.”

        then they need to stop taking tax breaks and speak their minds

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    • Adrian

      This is correct. I am convinced federal policy is specifically reversing this along the lines used in the factory where people are told what to do and not why they must do it. Perform a single menial task over and over and don’t ask any questions. That is what our education system has become, and for clear reasons.

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  • Guest

    # 16 “Don’t do stupid s#%t.”- Barack Obama, 2014

  • XSANDIEGOCA

    #17 Borders, Language, Culture.

    • Mike Smithy

      Yes, Savage has it right.

  • XSANDIEGOCA

    America used to be a lithe marathon runner that weighed 160 pounds. America not weighs in at 350. Getting from the couch to the can is about all we can do these days and truth be told sometimes we just don’t make it …. What is to be done? Bread and Water, Exercise, Self Discipline, Denial of today’s ephemeral pleasures for tomorrows greater glory. Think this will happen? Neither do I.

  • Adrian

    Once again, people who argue that our government is becoming more socialist everyday have no understanding of economics, nor do they know what socialism is. I know the uber libertarians on here are going to circle in and the ad hominems will start as soon as I hit send, but, once again, let me explain.
    Socialism is a system where the government owns some or all of the means of production. It also heavily taxes the incomes of the citizenry and redistributes the income to the poorest sectors, with its budget heavily devoted to spending on social programs (roads, bridges, schools, universal healthcare and higher education, generous maternity leave, unemployment, and welfare benefits). Its military budget is usually low because the bulk of its expenditure is on social programs and benefits. Corporations are forced to negotiate with labor in corporatist arrangements with the highly unionized labor force and there are price controls.
    Now, let’s look at our actual American system, one that is fascist and growing LESS socialist under both Dems and the GOP. Here, corporations have incredible clout, writing legislation, buying politicians, and using the courts which allow greater amounts of money and fewer restrictions on that money into the political system every year. Many of the largest corporations pay NO income tax at all, and are even subsidized by the government, despite billions in profits. When these corporations fail, they are bailed out by taxpayer money, while the people are left to go unemployed, their homes foreclosed on by the banks that caused the bubble to begin with. Any talk of reform first takes account of the interests of the corporation before the people, Obamacare being a prime example. Americans are increasingly saddled with debt by these corporations, and the bought-and-paid-for legislators write laws making escaping that debt increasingly impossible. The corporations also are in league with the national security state in a merger, providing the NSA and other agencies private phone and email and internet records from all Americans, which was illegal. Fascism is the merger of the corporate with the state. If anybody doe not yet see this or thinks that is socialism, I am not interested in discussing anything with you until you educate yourself. Our citizens struggle more every year, with incomes having remained stagnant for the last 40 years. A few things to ask yourself which would serve as a checklist as to whether we were really becoming socialist would be this: in a socialist state we would all have a single-payer or an outright government-run healthcare system that covered everybody, cradle to grave. We don’t. We would see very little income inequality, while ours is growing and the highest in the western world, on par with many 3rd world states. We would have free higher education. Anyone in college or paying for their kids college can now laugh at this concept. We would spend far less on military and surveillance and far more on social programs that helped the people instead of those that helped the corporations. We have a plutocracy in which both parties are members. They don’t care about us, they exist to advance the interests of their class. If the rest of you want to go around babbling about socialism, well go ahead and go down the wrong direction. I have simply tried to demonstrate this fallacy. As they say, you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink.

    • kbed

      It is fascism and a plutocracy. Spot on sir.

    • Drud

      You have accurately summed up the condition of this country. I hope you realize that your use of “uber libertarians” in the context in which you used it, is in fact an ad-hominem in its own right. i cannot and do not condemn you for that, we all use them from time to time, even as we decry them. I also understand and accept you description of socialism, I just disagree in the practicality of such a system. Typically, as no one is truly immune to greed and the corrupting influences of power, a socialist government perfects the “heavily tax(ing)” side of things and gets very lax with the “redistribut(ing)” side. Elite insiders feast on the (legally) confiscated bounty of the masses, while scraps get redistributed to starving, angry, un-motivated masses. Marxism is beautiful in theory and quite often dreadful in practice. Liberty has all the appearances of chaos in theory, but works in practice. Neither is perfect, both are better that corporate fascism that we have in this country currently.

      • Adrian

        Thank you for your comments. I may be guilty of an ad hominem there, but don’t intend to be. I actually agree 50% with libertarians. I share their views on our foreign policy as well as opposing the growing coercive power of the state. I disagree with them economically, which is why I am a socialist and not libertarian. I understand your point about socialism does coercively take wealth from groups who are prosperous, and understandably this angers those who are taken from. However, I think under democratic socialism, like Sweden, France, and other western democratic capitalist systems, such a system benefits the greatest numbers of people. It also does not retard the work ethic of those states, who often outperform our own economy in terms of economic growth. I think when the wealth is shared and opportunities are provided, the greatest number of people benefit. I am also in no way condoning laziness, just to be clear. I love working and I think most people do. It makes a human being feel more useful and productive, giving them pride. I do think we have a dearth of opportunity in this country, and it is rowing harder for your honest folks to stay afloat when being honest and working hard. I attribute that to our slanted system, which favors the rich and does depart from capitalism. Although I know it is a pipe dream, I favor a system of 4 years of national service for all young people, in exchange for their college being paid for. That service would not be limited to military, but would be part of a national program where young people were taught a trade and had some choice as to where they wanted to serve: urban reclamation, medical, law enforcement, construction, forestry service…the sky would be the limit. I think that would instill civic virtues and make people more community-oriented and less self-centered.

        • Drud

          Great points all, especially about hard work. I grew up through our school system where I learned there were no benefits to working hard, so I slacked. I never failed a class, never even got a C, but only in recent years (after a pretty devastating period of unemployment/underemployment in my late 20s and early 30s) have I learned the joys of hard, productive work. Tolstoy’s Levin is a perfect example of this, and the Oblonsky’s of the world never understand. I like your idea of national service for young people, but have issue with giving that much power and influence to anyone. Truly, I have a natural distrust of government, and really hierarchical systems in general, because the nature of such systems i that the most ruthless people tend to rise to the top. Giving such people influence over impressionable young people is incredibly dangerous. Ultimately, from a philosophy of government standpoint, I think the issue is simply size. Many systems of governance can work very well when a few thousand to perhaps a half a million people are involved. After that, things start to get dicey. Kurt Vonnegut described every nation state everywhere at any time as a
          “granfalloon,” meaning a group of people who think they are drawn together by destiny, but really are not. The more I think about it, the more I believe this. People are best off in small, unified communities. There is no one-size-fits-all system of government for hundreds of millions of people, let alone billions.

          • Adrian

            Yes, you are probably right about the necessity for small governing systems, but even there you have the problem of the tyranny of the majority. What I find troubling is what’s coming down the pike, as no government voluntarily gives up its power. They are arming themselves against the people, militarizing the police, DHR, and every other federal agency. Why? We really face very few threats which do not justify this hyper overreaction to security. I think the people don’t realize they’re about to get a boot in the face, and that boot is already right there.

          • Drud

            That is exactly what I am afraid of as well. The current system will collapse, that is certain. Opposed to many on this site seem to think, there will not arise a New World Order from this collapse, instead, after a period of transition (destruction) there will be fragmentation. Empires simply don’t fall, in order to get bigger. It is that transition period that is scary, and with nukes in play it could be the end of humanity. Hopefully, that at least can be avoided, but the fact is the people in charge do not like to lose and they will cause a lot of damage on their way down.
            Also, you post reminded me of the Gary Lloyd quote “When the government’s boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence.” Very apt in this country today.

    • Tony

      So, this country isn’t socialist ENOUGH for you!?

    • Gay Veteran

      we have fascism which is the merger of state and corporate power

  • Phil from Germany

    Wise freemasons speaking the truth. If this world had more masonic values it would be a much better place.

  • Stan

    Liberals won’t understand #5…. it’s too complicated for them

    • Mike Smithy

      I find it interesting that scum sucking libs always talk about “Income Inequality” but never want to talk about “Effort Inequality”.

      • Adrian

        If you think this is an argument about ideology, you’re missing the entire point. If you think the reason that income inequality is going up is because people are lazy, then you are unaware of the fact that productivity has soared over the last 40 years, while wages have remained stagnant. Thus, people are working longer and harder, but the value of their labor is being sucked off to the owners of the means of production. You’d think you libertarians would oppose such practices, consideri8ng your values about individualism and keeping what you work for, but you guys seem all too willing to allow your labor value to go to the capitalists instead of to you.

  • Ken

    Just lame rhetoric from corrupt men who created a system to serve themselves and their friends. I do not know why we put these men on such a pedestal.

    Because of their vague writings we are exactly where we are today. People will always try to find loopholes and gray areas when it benefits themselves and their immediate circle of friends and family.

    We all think we are the exception to the rule but the truth is we are all the rule and there are few if any exceptions.

    The one constant that will never change is human nature. It is at it’s base a disgusting mix of ego and self-centeredness.

    • Drud

      While what you say is in a way true, it is also sill, petty and plain wrong. What can be called rhetoric by some can become mantra to others and thereby change lives and ultimately the course of history. More importantly, however, it is vital to celebrate those that would fight against the dark side of human nature, those who will take up the good fight, rather than wallow in in it.

    • nekksys

      “…shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise
      free to regulate their own pursuits…”
      … No, that’s about everyone not a select few…

      “A people… who are possessed of the spirit of commerce…”… No, that’s about the collective whole…

      “…as well that which lies in the various rights of individuals…”… No, that’s about everyone as a group…

      Do I need to go on or is that enough?

      • Ken

        If you actually knew what went on during the time when these men actually lived you would not be quoting blatant BS. The truth is that history is written by the elite. The poor and those not in their club could tell you an entirely different side of the history you think you know.

        The truth is never quite what it seems. It is instead a slice of the perception of one person. The trick is getting the collective majority to believe what they are shoveling. This unfortunately is pretty easy to do since the elite are well versed in what drives men and how to use that against them.

        • nekksys

          And yet, you offer nothing to support your point… Nothing other than your own opinion…

  • Dwain Dibley

    I can say with 100% certainty that they said nothing about ‘Capitalism’ because that Marxist inspired ideology wasn’t invented yet.

  • http://batman-news.com PullHeadOut

    Fantastic piece of work Michael. Most will not understand what they have just read. A Free Government of a Free Republic must not have social welfare programs of any kind; free men do not require them. The social programs, decreed by the government, that we have today, are destroying the foundations laid by the founding fathers. All the inequalities and injustices we see today are a direct result of a government tampering with these freedoms, in the name of equality and justice; most do not understand this.

  • underaged

    Oh, if we could only turn back the clock to when white, upper class, Protestant men ruled! How exciting for them. Then again, maybe the central control by a WASP aristocracy is why we’ve had – native people genocide, African people slavery, civil war, civil unrest, depressions, recessions, foreign interventions, domestic pollution, and fiscal corruption (to name a few) for the past 240+ years. But hey, we will just overt look a few warts left scattered about, right?

    • nekksys

      Really? Angry over nothing much?? Do you actually believe the crap you’re spewing or is this some kind of sick, bigoted joke???

      The genocide of Native Americans occurred long after our founding fathers had gone away. Slavery of the African Natives was promoted in the US by the Portuguese. The depressions and recessions we’ve experienced have occurred as a result of wars fought to maintain our liberty or from banksters that came long after much the same as the financial corruption you speak of. The Civil War was fought for well documented reasons and our founding fathers aren’t responsible for the civil unrest that has occurred in the past century and a half.

      You need a real education and not that idiotic indoctrination you received at school…

      • underaged

        The vision of a paradise lost kind of loses its luster when reminded of the folks who got trampled while building your would-be Garden of Eden.

        And yes, you are somewhat correct in stating that American Indian extermination and Black slavery continued after the founding father laid out a plan for the future. That was sort of my point, so thanks for the endorsement.

    • Patrick Henry

      While our history is full of horror stories, it also has great success stories. Blaming White Protestants misses the point because these were not crimes in pursuit of liberty but in the usurpation of others’ rights. Many WASPs also sought reconciliation with Indians. They were abolitionists and soldiers who died bringing freedom to slaves, and they fought to end tyranny from Germany, Japan and the Soviet Union. Many WASPs are against the credit bubbles that cause, or at the very least intensify, the boom-and-bust cycle. In my humble opinion, moving the conversation to ad hominem attacks is a deliberate attempt to confuse the issue; it’s a clever tactic that forces one’s opponents to defend the indefensible while you avoid taking responsibility for the horror stories that result from the tyranny of collectivism in all its ghastly forms (Nazism, Communism,…)

      • underaged

        Agreed.

        But in the case of our ‘Founding Fathers’, I think you would be hard pressed to find a non-WASP male (specifically a woman, an American Indian, or a Black African) who had any input on how this new nation of ours should have been formed. Just a slight oversight, would you not agree?

        Anyone with half a brain has to ask themselves – why were so many voices excluded?

        And anyone with a little more than half a brain has to ask themselves – if some non-WASP males had been included in the nation building process, could we have avoided the tragedies that unfolded in subsequent decades? We will never know.

    • LIBERALMENSWALLOWSEMEN_)_

      ^obama testicle licker

    • Tony

      Replace WASP with Jew on all those atrocities except the Indian “genocide.” While there was eventually a policy of genocide, it all started with the ways of the Indians. Try reading some history written by Indians themselves. I’ve read accounts of how much they enjoyed torturing and murdering and how they had to switch sides as mercenaries because the English didn’t condone their savagery. I have enough Indian in me that I could collect a casino check, but I don’t out of disgust. Society cannot long tolerate savage thugs and continue to exist. In the not so distant future, black people will collect checks from whore/crack houses on reservations for survivors of their slaughter (while they also complain about how they were wronged).

  • DJohn1

    The entire constitution is anti-big-government.
    These people saw first hand how it was handled in England. They were deported to the colonies as an easy way not to have to imprison a bunch of people.
    Often it was a Devil-based legal system in Europe, that put a lot of innocent lives ruined in England a chance to do better in a more primitive environment. It was also a land of opportunity for many people.
    The whole idea was not to have a world government. It was to have a minimal amount of government and a maximum amount of freedom to pursue happiness.
    Keeping neutral in European politics. That meant staying out of European politics and let them fight all the petty wars they want and leave us alone.
    We had our own problems to resolve and some of those problems are with us to this day. The Black Slave issue is one such issue that should have been nailed down as we became a government of the United States of America.
    The issue of what to do with a dictator, WHEN, not if one arises over this nation.
    The issue of monopoly of two political parties. We are still fighting stagnation of the parties and we are losing.
    The issue of government not following the constitution as it is written. We are all human and as human we make mistakes. In other countries, those mistakes are not allowed to continue through 4 or 6 years. These people that make big mistakes are taken down in recall elections.
    We recently had a president that openly was having an affair with a young woman. We could not get a majority in the Congress to impeach him. Even though in the investigation of this affair he was doing things technically illegal that we have all kinds of laws against. There is something wrong with that system.
    We have letter agencies making law onto themselves in the form of regulations. Bureaucratic kingdoms have arisen and they are supported by the court system even though they are technically illegal by the very rules of the constitution itself. The government itself thinks the constitution is antiquated and no longer applies to every day law.
    None of this was foreseen by the people that wrote the document. Yet as far as I can tell, the document is in plain ordinary American English.
    The question becomes what does the constitution say about getting rid of the problem governments have created?

  • RedPillPlease

    Why have we turned our backs on the principles that this nation was founded upon?

    “We” have never turned our backs, instead, “we” ignored the destruction taking place within our education system and in our own backyards … our current Socialist Indoctrination Centers we know as Public Schools.

    Charlotte Iserbyt, former Education Secretary to Ronald Reagan, examines with considerable detail in her book, “The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America,” this intentional destruction. There should be no questions as to why our children are currently ranked 29th in the world in comparison to the rest of the civilized world when it comes to the basic 3 “R’s.” Studies have revealed that a few 3rd world nations have outpaced our 8th and 9th graders in math and science by two grade levels!

    Should one research Edward L. Bernays (known as the father of propaganda) and Bertrand Russell, whose efforts to intentionally dumb down our children began at the turn of the 20th century, and whose personal lives could be expressed as pure evil, we would see the (irreversible?) damage that has been done. The ability of “critical thinking” was removed and replaced with absolute brainwashing.

    If one denies that a monstrous conspiracy was indeed launched to hijack the minds of our children, then it would be obvious they too are a product (victim) of our psychologically warped lab environments we call class rooms.

    To intentionally destroy a nation, it is necessary for the state to have access to each new generation of minds, and at the earliest age possible. Hitler’s youth group initiatives should be ample evidence of the results. It should also be noted that Mao Tse Tung (Little Red Book) murdered 81 million of his own people (Death by Government, Prof. R. J. Rummel), and he started with all the educational administrators and educators who were known to support the former Nationalist ideologies under Chang Kai Shek. These types of propaganda “enforcement” could easily be compared to our current Obama “Common Core Initiative,” and Bush’s “No Child Left Behind” stategies.

    • GSOB

      The first half of our lives is ruined by our parents and the second half by our children.

      – Clarence Darrow

  • Selaretus

    Everybody wants to be wealthy and have that nice comfy retirement where we are ‘financially secure.’
    Well, there is simply not enough actual real wealth in the world for all of us to achieve that, so to make it possible, at least by appearance, we had to invent all these instruments of financial alchemy, swindles, cheats, lies and theft. Our government and it’s pimp, the Fed, uncoupled the US dollar from anything associated with real, tangible wealth so everybody can feel good about thier worthless ‘portfolios’ positioned in all these worthless stocks.

    • Priszilla

      The top 1% own more wealth than the bottom 50% together.

      We could make 50% happier by making 1% unhappier.

      The top 1% can get back their wealth quickly by hard work.

      • guguciao

        Globally speaking, 85 people have more wealth than 3.5 billion people
        combined, a ratio that is so big, it will not even compute on my
        calculator.

        The more jobs they more overseas, the more they can keep wages low in
        the US, so not only is the worker losing their jobs to some person in
        some third-world country few people could even find on a map, they
        simultaneously have their pay cut too.

        The fact is concentrated wealth continues to rapidly increase, continuing to destabilize the USA.

  • Richard O. Mann

    Looks like we got on board the hell bound train in 1913, when the Fed was made an institution in the US.

  • CharlesH

    Our forefathers were truly honorable and very thoughtful men. To have just one of them here today to guide us would be wonderful. My fear though is that we would not heed one word of his wisdom and warnings.

  • Albert8184

    If only the states would begin to assert their sovereignty, instead of acting like imperial vassals. Instead of thinking like petty barons aligned under a king. Then we could begin to resolve the problem.

    Our economic problems are a symptom. Not the disease itself.

  • Jack

    America’s problem is Israel. We need to throw out the dual citizens in government posts and send the lying traitors home. Remember the USS Liberty.

    • Guest

      Typical ignorant American comment…

  • GSOB

    “The time is now near at hand
    which must probably determine whether Americans are to be freemen or slaves;
    whether they are to have any property they can call their own; whether their
    houses and farms are to be pillaged and destroyed, and themselves consigned to
    a state of wretchedness from which no human efforts will deliver them. The fate
    of unborn millions will now depend on God, on the courage and conduct of this
    army. Our cruel and unrelenting enemy leaves us only the choice of brave
    resistance, or the most abject submission. We have, therefore, to resolve to
    conquer or die.”

    George Washington

  • AvidReader

    Michael, thank you very much for this excellent collection of brilliant quotes, including their sources. So much wisdom to be discovered, so much lack of it in today’s political freak shows everywhere. We definitely NEED a crash of all sorts to get rid of those fools. Unfortunately, a lot of innocents will be hurt as well of course. Would Hillary want to realise or even know one single thought of the Founding Fathers, would she horribly become president? Or is she only about luxuries like gay marriage and “more women to the top”? And would any mainstream journalist care? To ask is to answer.

    • GSOB

      She will run.
      She is grooming the populace.
      Palin can beat her.
      Denver wants the RNC
      Money changes everything.

      • AvidReader

        I will check out her “biography”. No, not buy it. Just see what priorities she has – if any.

      • Gay Veteran

        Hillary proved that women too can be psychopaths. Palin is an idiot.

  • GSOB

    Christians

  • armst

    And thus the drive to import millions of illiterate dependent worthless scum, called illegal (soon to be legal?) immigrants, to further increase the vote for taking the productive classes wealth…….

  • GSOB

    “Frugality means being frugal, which is defined in one
    dictionary as “economical in use or expenditure; prudently saving or sparing;
    entailing little expense; requiring few resources.” Frugality was an essential
    part of the success of early American pilgrims and pioneers. Those who built
    America from scratch did not live opulently, with a constant stream of sugary,
    caffeinated, or alcoholic beverages washing down their throat. They worked long
    hours and were lean in body. Most of them had a stronger faith in God than do
    most of us today. Their spiritual resources gave them the perseverance to
    endure difficulties that would make most Americans today cry out for a
    government program to relieve them.”

  • http://www.booksbyoliver.com/ Delaware River

    This list comes just when Cantor is defeated in the Virginia primary.

    It’s time to get back to learning what the founders of this country did for us…..and not for themselves as the democrats and RINOs are doing now to this country.

  • T.j. Thomas

    Refreshing to see an article quoting the Founding Fathers with real Founding Father quotes for once. :)

  • DesertPaine

    Until individual Americans – you and me – live these ideas instead of lamenting that others have not, then this is just the next fine collection of sayings.

  • Mudpie

    Great piece.

  • Gay Veteran

    “…Black slavery began, again, AFTER the founding fathers had gone….”

    BS, there was slavery in America in the 1600s

    • nekksys

      Then why was a free black man among those who landed at Plymouth in 1620?

      There was indentured servitude, not slavery. Huge difference. Look it up.

      • Gay Veteran

        you need to read up on the history of slavery in the colonies (e.g., Virginia)

        • nekksys

          Virginia was a common destination for indentured servants from England and other locales. (Well documented.)

          As for slavery itself, English law in the 1600’s considered baptized Christians to be Free Men. Since the Spanish slavers often baptized their captives prior to departing Africa, any Spanish-caught slaves brought to America were relegated to indentured servitude. There are documented account to Africans changing their status from “Slave” to “Indentured Servant” simply by converting to Christianity.

          The laws that stripped away a slave’s potential paths to freedom were developed in the latter half of the 18th century. Prior to this time, most were treated as indentured servants.

          • Gay Veteran

            “…1660-1680: Slave Laws Further Restrict Freedom of Blacks and Legalize Different Treatment for Blacks and Whites

            1667 — Baptism does not bring freedom to Blacks.

            1669 — An act about the “casual killing of slaves” establishes that “if any slave resist his master and by the extremity of the correction should chance to die, that his death not be accompted Felony.”

            1670 — Servant for life: the “normal” condition judged for Blacks….”

          • nekksys

            And your documents to support this point?

          • Gay Veteran

            Google it. I ain’t teaching a history class.

            and btw, your statement “…Black slavery began, again, AFTER the founding fathers had gone….” is a flat out LIE.

            Look at the Constitution. From the conservative Heritage Foundation:

            “…Although the first debate over slavery at the Constitutional Convention concerned representation (see Article I, Section 2, Clause 3), the second debate arose when Southern delegates objected that an unrestricted congressional power to regulate commerce could be used against Southern commercial interests to restrict or outlaw the slave trade….”

          • nekksys

            So pretty much all your arguments come down to one debate during the Continental Congress… Argue it all you want… At the end of the day, you’re still on the wrong end of the stick…

          • Gay Veteran

            you’re nothing but a historical revisionist

          • nekksys

            Typical, resorting to name calling than supporting contentions with facts. How “intellectual” of you…

          • Gay Veteran

            “…Black slavery began, again, AFTER the founding fathers had gone….”

            nothing more needs to be said about you

  • Albert8184

    I bet you were hoping I didn’t know it. I was wondering why you threw it around so cavalierly, at people YOU KNOW are not Hindus. Or New Agers. Or one worlders. Like you are.

    • BoboSixx II

      I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
      I am through debating with you and anyone else that chooses to berate me with your delusional reply’s to my comments.
      End of Line.
      Namaste.

  • http://www.blog2.tshirt-doctor.com/ Pissed Off

    Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto. ~ Thomas Jefferson

    This was removed from fake conservative Breitbart.

  • spin43

    What do you suppose they would say about the Obama Welfare Refugee Program?

  • spin43

    Does Obama want TB to make a comeback in the US? Many diseases coming across the border with church groups helping to distribute poverty and diseases. Why would they try to punish American citizens?

  • Thaddeus lovelock

    America was hardly a capitalist society , (in the true sense) when the nation was founded. Its economy was based on agriculture. The concentration of corporate power, has seen the corruption of democracy, and the concentration of wealth into fewer hands. What America needs are good social democratic policies.

  • Ric Ornelas

    Our government is “Big Business” and uses “government” to do it’s deeds.

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