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16 Signs That Most Americans Are NOT PREPARED For The Coming Economic Collapse

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Disaster Is ComingSometimes I think that I sound like a broken record.  I am constantly using phrases such as “get prepared while you still can” and “time is running out”.  In fact, I use them so often that people are starting to criticize me for it.  But the truth is that only a small percentage of people out there are actively taking steps to get ready for what is coming.  Most of the country is not prepared at all.  In many ways, it is just like 2007 all over again.  There were many people that could see what was about to happen and were doing all they could to warn people, but most did not listen.  And then the great financial crisis of 2008 struck and millions of people lost their jobs and their homes.  Unfortunately, the next great wave of the economic collapse is going to be even more painful than the last one.  It is imperative that people get prepared for what is on the horizon, but for the most part it is just not happening.

A lot of it has to do with the fact that we have such short memories and such short attention spans in America today.  Thanks to years of television and endless hours on the Internet, I find myself having a really hard time focusing on anything for more than just a few moments.  And we are accustomed to living in an “instant society” where we don’t have to wait for anything.  In such a society, we are used to “news cycles” that only last for 24 hours and very few people take a “long-term view” of anything.

And another one of the big problems that we are facing is something called “normalcy bias”.  The following is how Wikipedia defines it…

The normalcy bias, or normality bias, refers to a mental state people enter when facing a disaster. It causes people to underestimate both the possibility of a disaster occurring and its possible effects. This often results in situations where people fail to adequately prepare for a disaster, and on a larger scale, the failure of governments to include the populace in its disaster preparations. The assumption that is made in the case of the normalcy bias is that since a disaster never has occurred then it never will occur. It also results in the inability of people to cope with a disaster once it occurs. People with a normalcy bias have difficulties reacting to something they have not experienced before. People also tend to interpret warnings in the most optimistic way possible, seizing on any ambiguities to infer a less serious situation.

Over the past several years, the U.S. economy has been relatively stable.  And that is a good thing.  But it has also lulled millions upon millions of people into a false sense of security and complacency.  At this point, most Americans consider 2008 to be a temporary bump in the road, and most assume that the U.S. economy will always be strong.

Unfortunately, that is not the truth.  As I have written about previously, the long-term trends that are destroying our economy have continued to get worse since 2008, and none of the problems that caused the last financial crisis have been fixed.

We are steamrolling toward the edge of an economic cliff, and most people in our entertainment-addicted society are totally oblivious to what is going on.  So they are not doing anything to get ready for the immense economic pain that is coming.  The following are 16 signs that most Americans are completely unprepared for the coming economic collapse…

#1 Could you come up with $2000 right now?  According to a shocking study that was just released, 40 percent of Americans could not

Forty percent of individuals in the U.S. said they could not or probably could not come up with $2,000 if an unexpected need arose, according to research by Atif Mian of Princeton University and Amir Sufi of the University of Chicago Booth School of Business.

#2 In that same study, Americans were asked the following question…

“Do you have 3 months emergency funds to cover expenses in case of sickness, job loss, economic downturn?”

An astounding 60 percent of people that responded said that they do not.

#3 Another study found that less than one out of every four Americans has enough money stored away to cover six months of expenses.

#4 Some people are actually trying really hard to get ahead, but admittedly that is really tough to do when we are all being taxed into oblivion.  In fact, it was reported this week that Americans now spend more on taxes than they spend on food, clothing and housing combined.

#5 Right now, more Americans are dependent on the government than ever before.  In fact, according to the U.S. Census Bureau, 49 percent of all Americans live in a home that currently gets direct monetary benefits from the federal government.

#6 It is estimated that less than 10 percent of the entire U.S. population owns any gold or silver for investment purposes.  That is a stunning number.

#7 It has been estimated that there are approximately 3 million “preppers” in the United States.  But that means that almost everyone else is not prepping.

#8-16 The following are nine more statistics that come from a survey conducted by the Adelphi Center for Health Innovation.  As you can see, a significant portion of the population is not even prepared for a basic emergency that would last for just a few days…

  • 44 percent don’t have first-aid kits
  • 48 percent lack emergency supplies
  • 53 percent do not have a minimum three-day supply of nonperishable food and water at home
  • 55 percent believe local authorities will come to their rescue if disaster strikes
  • 52 percent have not designated a family meeting place if they are separated during an emergency
  • 42 percent do not know the phone numbers of all of their immediate family members
  • 21 percent don’t know if their workplace has an emergency preparedness plan
  • 37 percent do not have a list of the drugs they are taking
  • 52 percent do not have copies of health insurance documents

What do you think is going to happen to these people once the economy collapses and there is chaos in the streets?

How are they going to survive?

After all of these years of writing about the coming economic collapse, nothing has changed as far as the long-term outlook is concerned.

We are still heading toward a complete and total economic meltdown.

But most Americans continue to have faith in the system, and the mainstream media keeps assuring them that everything is going to be just fine.

And in this “dumbed-down” society of ours, most people are perfectly content to let others do their thinking for them.  In America today, only one out of every six Americans can even find Ukraine on a map of the world.  That is how far we have fallen.

In this day and age, it is imperative that we all learn how to think for ourselves.  The foundations of our society are crumbling, our economic system is failing and the blind are leading the blind.  If we do not learn to make our own decisions, we are just going to follow the rest of the herd into oblivion.

In addition, we all need to start taking a long-term view of things.  Just because the economic collapse is not going to happen this month does not mean that it is not going to happen.  When you step back and take a broader view of what is happening, it becomes exceedingly clear where we are heading.

Sadly, most Americans will never do that.

  • Syrin

    So if you are a prepper and have most of those things, at this point, you need to be sure you have weapons to protect your stash from the roaming gangs of Garys who will come to take what’s yours (much like they do daily with gov’t handouts). Best bet in the mean time is to keep your stash secret from everyone, because even your well intentioned friends and neighbors will do things no one thought possible when the SHTF. Encourage others to prep while being silent about yours.

    • Rodster

      The only two people that know I prep are preppers themselves and one of them is my landlord. I recently purchased a couple of 5 gallon BPA water containers. I need to get another 7 for a total of ten.

      • Biff

        I thought a couple was 2?

        • funnyguy

          morman couple

          • steve

            Living up to your name right there.

        • JAFO

          Use your brain a minute. He just got 2 more. Needs 7 to make 10 in total. The inference is he already had 1 when he bought the next two. Jeeze get a brain and a life…

          • cannuck21

            I believe that this was just a joke – fun….remember that. seems some time ago

          • joerocket

            Maybe the first one came with the apartment. Or maybe it’s a simple “Common Core” calculation.

          • CharlesH

            I used to know a common core, what a skank.

          • ShaneEasterigg321

            until I saw the receipt for $4408 , I didnt believe
            …that…my friends brother woz like actualy bringing in money part-time from
            there labtop. . there brothers friend has done this 4 only seventeen months and
            just now repayed the morgage on there cottage and got a brand new Renault 5 .
            more tips here F­i­s­c­a­l­p­o­s­t­.­C­O­M­

        • retired

          Not if you are into kinky fun!

    • Hillbilly

      I would only add the fact of safty in numbers find like minded people to be around when the time comes and make sure your bond is strong with them now. Good luck to you my friend

    • ezazz123

      And the Chinese economic musical chairs continues to play for another day…

      • Hammerstrike

        images.encyclopediadramatica. es /2/ 21/Asianvsblacks.j pg

        They won´t be happy to see a few dozen trillions of their money going out of the window.

    • Hammerstrike

      Not just weapons but also decoys.

    • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

      Yes, it is definitely wise to keep your prepping to yourself.

      By the way, I wanted to let everyone know that I was recently interviewed by Rick Wiles of TruNews. You can find the interview here…


    • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

      I apologize to everyone for not getting a new article up recently. I have been taking some time off and I have also been preparing for Passover. If you are not familiar with why a believer in Jesus would observe Passover, I would encourage you to check out this article that I just wrote…


      • davidmpark

        We’re trying the Passover feast for the first time. We’re doing it as prescribed in Exodus. We believe that the weekly sacrament has succeeded Passover, anyway. But the wife and kids need to experience this. It’s part of their spiritual heritage.

    • Lex Loathar

      If Ovomit had some sons they would be looters

  • Horhey

    2 years ago I voted with my feet, moved from Cali to the “redoubt”. From a comfortable life of a business owner with all the trimmings to a life of poverty. It’s tough, but functional. The skill I’ve learned and used is so valuable I connot even explain in short. When the collaspe happens, I for one will not be affected as if I never moved. The people and culture here are so different then NorCal. I know there, I would be dead in a couple of days. It’s a me first scioety there. Here, people maybe “redneck”, but they are the salt of the earth. Kind and giving. I think the state of California suffers from normalcy bias, except….3% preppers. I don’t blame them though, they work to play, I did. Life sure can change. This blog helped that decision a few years back. Don’t regret it at all.

    • Tim

      If I had the means to move up there, I would do it. Chuck Baldwin moved to the Flathead Valley a few years ago.

      • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

        A lot of people are moving up to this general area of the country.


    • Marco

      Hi Horhey – I’m in Silicon Valley right now (software engineer), but I’ve been wanting to move to the redoubt as well. I envy you. It is hard to move though when you have kids, wife, and other obligations. I’m still employed, and that is a biggie for me. I need to provide for my family, and walking away from a $100k+ job would be crazy. I wonder what others think. I’m trying to see if I can be a remote worker, but I also know that remote workers are the first ones cut during layoffs.

      • Aubryn

        Moved out into the thissywhistles 17 years ago. Totally worth it. Couldn’t be happier. Do not do this if you don’t like to work. Will work for the fun of it. Not dependent on anyone but God.

      • Horhey

        Hey Marco.
        I will tell you, it’s not for everyone. It’s tough. I used to service distinctive residential appliances. Now that I’m done with my cabin, I’m having to restart a business, something I really didn’t want to do. I really have no choice. Small town is a good ol’ boy club. You really need to know someone to find a job. $10-12.00 hr is going rate. Not that I really care, but, ether I’m “too old”(44) or “over qualified”, or “new”. I brought my competitive business practice here. What jobs I get, has an excellent response. The problem I have is, not enough of it. I’m still in the transition of the “wearing different hats” thing. You must be flexible with your desired work. Do not arrive anywhere here with Cali debt. I’m debt free. It will crush you faster then anything. If I could do it over, I would have bought a place, had someone do the work while I worked down there. I live 35 miles from a village of 5000 people, that known as town. The people here naturally watch your back.
        On the flip side, the wasp here are ridicules, the grasshoppers mid summer are like a plague, hornets and bald face hornets are common. It is a culture change not for the timid. At least I have a shooting range in my yard……….

        • Marco

          Thanks for your input Horhey. I’m already debt free including no mortgage (I bought a “manufactured home” aka mobile home and wife is a stay at home mom). I can already buy a house outright in cash if I moved so the only costs would be living expenses. I totally hear you on having to be flexible. I’m 40 myself, so I know exactly what you’re talking about. I’d love to have a full garden, be able to shoot in the backyard, and just go back to a simpler life. I rarely ever watch TV. I’m actually thinking of just quitting, cash out my 401k, buy some more PMs and keep the rest of the cash and just do remote consulting work. I guess in the end, there are liberty minded people all over – even in Kalifornia. God bless and I pray all goes well for you brother! God help all of us – we so need it…

      • Dan1959

        Hey, by the time this is all over, the vast number of people won’t have jobs anyway, you would only be putting off the inevitable. Plus if you stay and work you may end up trapped. Rural people are often made fun of by Citi-ots, but I wouldn’t change my life for any amount of money.

      • Orange Jean

        Sometimes I have to telework (bad weather or health issues) and I hate it.

        Also remember there are still places where internet access can be a serious problem – where I live as far as I’ve been able to figure out it’s only a choice of dial up (which I use) or buy a very expensive Hughs satellite system (the satellite things for TV won’t do it).

    • Orange Jean

      Where/what the heck is “redoubt” and “thissywhistles”?

      • Horhey

        The redoubt as noted in JWR blog “survivalblog” list some states as the Redoubt. Few states with self sustaining mindset. More independent of the rest of the country. I guess you could say “liberty minded”. Though I’m neutral politically, it is so nice not to have your live micro managed. What do mean? Everyone is micromanaged in our society. Take a areal photo of a tract neighborhood, notice the maze look, all the homes the same but you have yours. You are the cattle, herded into your space for 8 hr minimum to restart your next work period. Scary, you are managed, and you think that’s your slice of America.

        • Orange Jean

          Thanks for the info!

        • FirstGarden

          I so agree with what you said here, except for one thing. For most of us who “own our slice if America”, or our cookie-cutter house or condo, we do not hold the title deed. The banks do. We, as debtors, serve them. We enslave ourselves to a system, based on their design. I’m not against banks just for being banks. But gone are the days of Peter Bailey.
          We all live in Pottersville now, except for those who are paid off, or have otherwise extricated themselves from the system. This whole servanthood mentality of is sad:

          You load sixteen tons, what do you get

          Another day older and deeper in debt

          Saint Peter don’t you call me ’cause I can’t go

          I owe my soul to the company store

          The American Dream, once noble, became the American Nightmare, as the big boys got out of control and decided they had to have it all. As I understand capitalism, it works well in a free society, which is what we are not anymore.

    • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse


      Thank you for sharing your personal story with us. Prepping is not always easy, but most find it to be very rewarding.


  • Twidiot1

    Good idea to prep. Just don’t go crazy with the freeze-dried food you’ll never eat!

  • K

    I am not sure the majority of Americans are prepared for anything. Thankfully in the rural areas, their normal lifestyle, is what many would call prepping. As the old song goes, A Country Boy can survive..

    • K

      If you doubt how fast a collapse may be approaching. Family dollar announces 370 stores closing. When the economy can not support the dollar stores. How much longer can things last?

      • xander cross

        When did they make the announcement that Family dollar close 370 stores?

        • K

          It was on forbes, about 4 days ago.

      • GSOB

        Family Dollar is not = to ‘Dollar Stores’

        A ‘Dollar Store’ is everything for a buck, unlike Family Dollar.

  • Kim

    Better to be prepared and disappointed than unprepared and disappointed.

    –Kim, April 8, 2014

    P.S. Peaches, what did you do to yourself? Rest in peace Peaches Geldof Cohen. You were such a cool person. You will be sorely missed. My condolences to the Geldof and Cohen families. I am so sorry.

    • April

      FYI Peaches Geldof Cohen was a follower of Aleister Crowley and had just recently been initiated into the O.T.O. me thinks she was a human sacrifice by these losers who think they are worshiping a mystical and made up creature called satan. Just another bunch of dumb as rock people who will fall for anything because it makes them feel like their life has meaning and they belong to a group.

      • Kim

        You may be right, I don’t know. I am just sad this happened to her. She may have brought it on herself, but my condolences to the families are nevertheless extended.

        • duu daa

          My guess is drugs.

          • Kim

            Yep. Definitely drugs. I don’t look at the person she was, but the person she could have been. It’s just so heartbreaking.

          • Kim

            My guess is you’d be correct about that. Poor girl. Died just like her mother.

  • FortuneSeek3rz

    “Another study found that less than one out of every four Americans has enough money stored away to cover six months of expenses.” — I’m surprised this number isn’t closer to 1 out of 8, or so.

    • Kim

      How are we supposed to save money when we can’t cover our basic monthly expenses. The longer this collapse draws out, the harder it will be for folks to prepare, even when they know they have to.

  • Adrian

    Funny, this so-called coming economic collapse is right up there next to the second coming. It’s always just around the corner…yet it never seems to get here.

    • Daystrom2012

      2Peter 3:3-10
      Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
      And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
      For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the
      heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the
      Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
      But the heavens and the
      earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto
      fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

      But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count
      slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should
      perish, but that all should come to repentance.But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which
      the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall
      melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein
      shall be burned up.

      • Adrian

        That doesn’t really tell us a whole lot, does it? I like to think critically, and I am not convinced the Bible or any other religious text can be used as a roadmap for the future.

        • FirstGarden

          Think more, my friend. The Bible has already had multiple prophecies fulfilled. Some are yet future. It’s certainly worth looking into.

          • Adrian

            That’s not uncommon with vague texts; one can read anything into them.

          • FirstGarden

            Oh the prophecies are far more specif than that. Some of the greatest minds in human history have perused the texts, and in light of world events both past and present, have found them startlingly revealing.

            Some folks are more willing to accept the writings of Nostradamus as factual, and his predictions are *really* vague. But when it comes to the Bible, the tune suddenly changes.

            I could give you several references on biblical prophecy, if you care to know. Kind regards.

          • davidmpark

            Adrian never read it. Don’t let ’em get you down, mate. It won’t change it’s mind, but keep it up for the benefit of those who read what you wrote and are inspired to seek out Jesus Christ.

            Keep it up! 🙂

          • FirstGarden

            Thanks David. But I do like Adrian. He’s a free thinker, and honest questioning is always preferred to dishonest questioning. I believe he’s the latter. 🙂

          • Jerry C

            Vague texts? Study Daniel Chapter 11 and get back to me.

        • Linda Warnke

          That’s right, and in fact the Bible itself backs you up there. Scripture tells us that we will NOT know ‘the day or the hour’ of the events we wait for. History is well-littered with the writings of those who tried, and failed, to predict future events using Scripture.
          The message to us is that we should always be ready, because time and circumstance will make things happen before we are aware of it.

          • sue

            While the Bible does say we will not know the hour or, the day….we indeed can know by what is going on in the world that it is “near”.
            1Timothy 4:1: “The Spirit clearly says that in later times
            some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.” (see 2 Corinthians 11: 14-16 verses
            2 Timothy 3:1-4: “But mark this: There will
            be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of
            themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to
            their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving,
            slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good,
            treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers
            of God-”
            These are the times we now live in, don’t you agree?

            2 Corinthians 11:14-15 (KJV)
            14 And no marvel; for Satan
            himself is transformed into an angel of light.
            15 Therefore it is no great thing if his (Satan’s)ministers also be transformed as the “ministers of righteousness”; whose end shall be according to their works.
            17:26-27 (KJV)
            26 And as it was in the days of
            Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
            27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were
            given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and
            the flood came, and destroyed them all.

          • GSOB

            All fulfilled.

          • SAR

            You need to ask is there some significance to the phrase “no one knows the day or the hour”?

            Throughout Scripture, we find many important prophecies fulfilled on Jewish Biblical feast days. Looking back we see God’s fulfillments in Passover, First Fruits (Christ’s Resurrection), Pentecost, etc. Those were referred to as the Spring Feasts. The Fall Feasts appear to also line up as further fulfillment.

            Biblically, the Feast of Trumpets (also known today as Rosh Hashanah or Yom Teruah) celebrates the Jewish New Year (although it was not originally for that purpose). The word means “Day of Blowing”, referring to the shofar horn being blown. There is a set pattern of different sounds that are repeated eleven times, with one single final blast referred to as the “Last Trump”.

            The Feast of Trumpets is a unique celebration in that it can fall within a two day time period. This is because unlike other feasts it is marked not by a day, date, or time – it is traditionally marked as when two witnesses report the new moon had been spotted. What makes it impossible to assign a day or hour to this event; which the Jewish people were commanded to observe forever

            It was a common idiom in Christ’s day to refer to the Feast of Trumpets (Yom Teruah) as not knowing what day it would be on, or what hour; but, you would still have a very close idea of the period of week by watching the signs in the moon phases.

            Even in our modern times, we use common idioms to refer to time frames. For example, people generally refer to the time and events around December 25th – January 1st as “The Best Time of the Year.” It is not a day-specific idiom, but everyone knows generally the season you are talking about. For some it’s December 24th and 25th, others it the 25th only, and for others it might be 24th through 1st.

            Likewise, when Jesus (Yeshua as there is no letter “J” in Hebrew), being an Israelite, referenced that “no one would know the day or the hour”, it would have rung some mental bells in His disciples’ heads, since the Feast of Trumpets was commonly known as “the feast where no one knew the day nor the hour”.

            Something to think about.


          • GSOB

            Are you sure about the doctrine of ‘Christ’s imminent return’ ?,…… which basically teaches that Christ will return unexpectedly, all of a sudden?

            I suggest that the verses used as your proof text be applied to the then pending destruction to come upon Jerusalem, the Temple,… as in John’s writing of The Revelation of Jesus Christ… written before A.D. 70

            Yes, we should be ready for the Lord.

            Paul says that when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, then God grafts generations of Jews to Christ… (still to come before Christ returns).

            Just sayin…

        • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

          You should look into it more. 🙂


    • Mal Reynolds

      Carry on bro. Better to prepare for what never happens than to be unprepared when it does. Besides you can always eat food and drink your water and fire water. As an added benefit it seems that the costs of food and drink keep going up … Buy now enjoy whenever.

      • Adrian

        I have no problem with people prepping and doing whatever…more power to them. But in some cases it can be almost a mental condition, a paranoia and seeing signs in the clouds that aren’t really there. Yes, food is going up all the time, and that is horrible. Wages are flat, the economy works for those who can buy government, and SCOTUS keeps making decisions that indicate they know who butters their bread, and it ain’t We the People…My comment was just to raise an alternative point to consider, that perhaps things will manage to continue for decades more? This site seems to always foretell the “coming collapse”, yet things continue as usual.

        • Mal Reynolds

          Not quite as usual, all those around me are suffering a genteel decline, our wages have not risen but everything else has. My discretionary purchases have declined. Signs that indicate all is not well in the Keynesian economic world. We are in a managed decline which will become unmanageable when the sheeple realize where the truck is taking them … or the petrodollar gets supplanted.
          “How did you go bankrupt?”
          Two ways. Gradually, then suddenly.”― Ernest Hemingway, The Sun Also Rises

        • Drud

          I have had this idea myself, many times. The idea is something of an offshoot of normalcy bias, and I have heard it called “prediction fatigue.” One of the financial gurus I read from time to time (can’t remember which) told one of his friends about the fundamental instability of the Housing Boom (this was in 2004). He did a good enough job of convincing that his friend moved his portfolio around to make money off a housing collapse. He lost his shirt and was p1ssed. The point is, the guru was not wrong about the fundamentals, just premature on the timing. Make no mistake, collapse is coming. It cannot be avoided. Both basic math and a casual perusal through history state in no uncertain terms that our society, our way of life, and certainly our monetary system are totally unsustainable. Can it be decades? I very seriously doubt it. Can it be 3-5 more years? Absolutely. And that is a very long time to wait on pins and needles. I also understand what you say about people becoming paranoid. i have felt myself becoming paranoid from time to time and have certainly been accused of paranoia by friends and family. The most important thing to consider, critically, is this: I very much want to be wrong–I like the life and lifestyle I have–so does virtually everyone else who is forecasting collapse. There is no higher form of rationality than ideas in direct opposition of desires.

        • FirstGarden

          “My comment was just to raise an alternative point to consider..”

          And none of us mind alternative points to consider, except those that mind alternative points to consider.

          • davidmpark

            Well said!

        • Gay Veteran

          “coming collapse” does not mean a Mad Max world. Think Argentina or Venezuela

      • davidmpark

        Gotta love the quality of mentally disturbed trolls that are attracted (or assigned) to blogs like this. I debated this Adrian person a while ago; have fun with ’em.

        Keep it up, Mal! Great comments!

        • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

          I like that we have a wide variety of people involved in the discussions on this website. We don’t want to just “preach to the choir” all the time. 🙂


          • davidmpark

            Yeah, and I went a little too far that time, too.

            Besides I need to change tactics. Came across this passage when reading scriptures. D&C 101:76-95

            “76 And again I say unto you, those who have been scattered by their enemies, it is my will that they should continue to importune for redress, and redemption, by the hands of those who are placed as rulers and are in authority over you—

            77 According to the laws and constitution of the people, which I have suffered to be established, and should be maintained for the brights and protection of all flesh, according to just and holy principles;

            78 That every man may act in doctrine and principle pertaining to futurity, according to the moral agency which I have given unto him, that every man may be accountable for his own sins in the day of judgment.

            79 Therefore, it is not right that any man should be in bondage one to another.

            80 And for this purpose have I established the Constitution of this land, by the hands of wise men whom I raised up unto this very purpose, and redeemed the land by the shedding of blood.

            81 Now, unto what shall I liken the children of Zion? I will liken them unto the parable of the woman and the unjust judge, for men ought always to pray and not to faint, which saith—

            82 There was in a city a judge which feared not God, neither regarded man.

            83 And there was a widow in that city, and she came unto him, saying: Avenge me of mine adversary.

            84 And he would not for a while, but afterward he said within himself: Though I fear not God, nor regard man, yet because this widow troubleth me I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me.

            85 Thus will I liken the children of Zion.

            86 Let them importune at the feet of the judge;

            87 And if he heed them not, let them importune at the feet of the governor;

            88 And if the governor heed them not, let them importune at the feet of the president;

            89 And if the president heed them not, then will the Lord arise and come forth out of his hiding place, and in his fury vex the nation;

            90 And in his hot displeasure, and in his fierce anger, in his time, will cut off those wicked, unfaithful, and unjust stewards, and appoint them their portion among hypocrites, and unbelievers;

            91 Even in outer darkness, where there is weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth.

            92 Pray ye, therefore, that their ears may be opened unto your cries, that I may be merciful unto them, that these things may not come upon them.

            93 What I have said unto you must needs be, that all men may be left without excuse;

            94 That wise men and rulers may hear and know that which they have never considered;

            95 That I may proceed to bring to pass my act, my strange act, and perform my work, my strange work, that men may discern between the righteous and the wicked, saith your God.”

            See, I don’t need to be confrontational to fix the problems; just need to be persistent and steadfast. And if they won’t grant us our liberty to live by our own means, then the Lord himself will end the oppression. I need to work on being a better person, though.

          • GSOB

            oh brother….

          • davidmpark

            You and your anti-LDS sentiments…

            I’m going to do what is prescribed in Doctrine and Covenants because it will work. You do whatever you want.

          • GSOB

            Oh yeah…
            It’ll work alright…

          • davidmpark


    • Joe D

      doesn’t have to be a total collapse to devastate the population….hyperinflation is the most likely variable and it will be caused by the elimination of the $US as the world’s petro currency….if you don’t see that, well, good luck!

      • Adrian

        I don’t see hyperinflation, but gradual creeping inflation, perhaps. The fed has tools to prevent hyperinflation: reducing the money supply, raising interest rates, etc. A more likely scenario would be the dollar no longer remaining the global reserve currency, but that won’t happen overnight, either.

        • Drud

          Two things: you assume the Fed has the power to stop financial avalanches and the first clue as to how to use them. In other words: you assume they are competent. Second, it is not only domestic policy that can drive hyperinflation. Most of the physical dollars in existence are in other countries. if the rest of the world loses faith in the dollar, the Fed will become completely powerless.

          • Adrian

            It’s not even about competence. Even computers can be programmed to take X action when you see Y occurring. They have managed to keep this hybrid capitalist system afloat so far, but some things can happen that would be catastrophic, such as the dollar no longer being the global reserve currency. I don’t think that will happen suddenly.

          • Drud

            Honestly, i don’t either, but again, honestly, I have no idea how this plays out. There are so many variables–many of them completely unprecedented in world history–that possibilities that never existed, or even considered, during any other collapse, are now in play. I don’t expect a sudden, dramatic, Hollywood version of collapse, but I can’t completely rule it out either.

        • Gay Veteran

          think how quickly your savings would be destroyed with just 10% inflation

          • Adrian

            Savings?? Wouldn’t that be a nice luxury?

        • Dan1959

          Google “Global Currency Reset”. Also any videos by Christine Lagarde, head of the IMF. She basically says it’s coming. And it doesn’t look pretty for the U.S.

    • Joe

      Do you really want it? I mean it will not be pretty… The second coming is unknown and much faith is needed when that time comes….it will happen the time is not known to us. The collapse is a given the kickoff to the end of days.

      • Adrian

        Here’s something to chew on: the stock market collapsed in 1929, causing a global depression worse than any since. Not only that, it led to a global war worse than any seen before or since, ending with the use of nuclear weapons. If Jesus was going to come back, that scenario sounds a lot more likely to get him here than the one you present. How about another: In the 14th century 1/3 of Europe died of the plague. Just about everyone was convinced the end was nigh. Having 1 out of ever 3 people on the continent die seems like a sure way to get Jesus to return, yet he didn’t. Compared to history, today’s world seems pretty mundane.

        • FirstGarden

          Again, the big picture is called for, here. Yes, these were severe events, but not (in their time and context) paramount to the world destruction, or the end of humankind. Today is indeed a different scenario. We have the an unprecedented proliferation of nukes, (both seen and unseen), a plethora of chemical & bio weapons, the prospect of massive EMP attack, and a rise of terrorist movements quite willing to use them.

          God will intervene when man has proven that he cannot govern himself, when WMD is in the hands of enough (or the wrong) people, and we are right at the brink of global annihilation.

          • GSOB

            Hey FirstGarden…

            “God will intervene when man has proven that he cannot govern himself”

            He already has.

        • Witster

          To answer your question of why didn’t Jesus come back during the collaspe in 1929, or back in the 14th Century….Simply because it wasn’t time yet, so many prophecies hadn’t been fulfilled yet, such as Isaiah 66:7-8, where the prophet foreshadowed the re-birth of Israel, which happened “in one day.” The woman giving birth before going into labor represent Israel. This accurately describes what happened on May 14, 1948 – when the Jews declared independence for Israel as a united and sovereign nation for the first time in 2,900 years. The bible declares that when this event takes place, “that generation would not pass away before seeing the coming of the Lord.” Also the destruction of Damascus has not yet happened which was spoken of in Isaiah 17. These are all signs of the coming of the Lord. So many end time prophecies just in the last decade are being fulfilled.

          • GaryA

            Funny how Isaiah’s “prophecy” coincided with the time (8-9th century BC) when Israel was at war with Damascus over trading routes rights. Let me tell you one thing – the end of the world is coming – when you die it is the end of the world for you. So, when Bible says “the end of the world is coming” it is absolutely right. Amen!

          • GSOB

            What ministry are you getting this interpretation from?

    • sarah

      The economic collapse will get here. Be patient.

      Jesus will get here too. Most likely after the collapse. His return is still a ways off. Look for the 2 witnesses to return first. Then the Antichrist, then Jesus.

      • FirstGarden

        And the rebuilding of the temple. Many eyes are on that situation.

        • GSOB

          Won’t happen

      • GSOB

        ‘Two witnesses’ , the ‘Antichrist, then ‘Jesus’……………

        The only things left to be fulfilled is the return of Jesus Christ, the bodily resurrection of all who ever existed and the final judgement.
        Then, the righteous are ushered into the eternal state in it’s full glory.

    • PointofVue

      I think the same think about this so called economic recovery we have been hearing about the past 5 years………

      • Adrian

        I don’t think we’re in a recovery at all. I think the bleeding has stopped thanks to all the money the fed has thrown at the broken system. Once you realize what the media is referring to when they speak of good news and recovery, it all makes sense. They always speak from the vantage point of the wealthy. It was a recovery for them, as they made out like bandits. The stock market tells us nothing of how the average person is doing, or the overall health of the economy. I realized capitalism as it is practiced here is a sham, a shell game, a fixed game of cards that, when the elites lose, whine and scream for gvt help, and since they have bought the politicians, they always get it.

    • duu daa

      We’re 7 years into a collapse. You just haven’t noticed.

      • Adrian

        How so?

      • FirstGarden

        Many haven’t really noticed. I think you are correct that it’s been unraveling for 7 years. The powers that be have been “containing” the current depression, historically speaking. But how long can you tread on water? How long can you print money??

    • laura m.

      This is why the retirees I know quit prepping as nothing happened in 2008 or even y2k. They as well as myself are clearing clutter and downsizing junk. I gave several five gal. water containers away and kept two if needed for flushing toilets. We are not into heavy food storage except for weather crisis (3 wks worth). Preppers who died in recent years their heirs tossed/donated their preps; money spent in vain.

      • Adrian

        I total agree. I’m not saying they are doing a bad thing; who would tell someone not to be prepared for emergencies? However, I used to watch Doomsday Preppers and some of the stuff was so over the top I would just sit bemused, as it was obvious these people had some sort of mental disorder. I remember the Y2k nonsense. I didn’t prep, and after that I was far more wary of the sky falling scenarios.

    • FirstGarden

      “Funny, this so-called coming economic collapse is right up there next to
      the second coming. It’s always just around the corner…yet it never
      seems to get here.”

      I can relate to how you feel. No matter how many Elvis and Bigfoot sightings there are, why don’t I ever see it?
      But with extreme downturns, or depressions, that’s another animal. And these, we actually have SEEN.

      Consider the big picture, bro. In our history, we’ve certainly had them. We’ve had many recessions. But actual depressions were mainly as follows:

      1807, 1815, 1873, 1929.

      Now, with a proactive g o v t, and a Fed, we’ve been, in effect, “CONTAINING” the current depression. We know how to pull all kinds of rabbits out of hats. But, as we all know, something does not come out of nothing. Kind of like evolution, “First there was nothing, then nothing exploded.Then came the universe and all intelligent life.

      Minor corrections and MAJOR corrections are a part of this world system or cosmos. Oh it’s coming alright. Just be patient, lol.

      I’m figuring, anytime between now and early 2017. Most likely AFTER the midterm elections, and even more likely after Nov 2016. Then all hell will break loose.

      • Adrian

        How can you possibly put a date on it? It would be like predicting the year of a major earthquake, “the big one” based on current tremors along the west coasts of North and South America. You may know something’s up, but as for telling the year it will happen, it’s impossible.

        • FirstGarden

          I agree with you there. I thought I was was giving likely scenarios, not meaning them as absolute fact. I’ll try to be more careful.

          Speaking of earthquakes, have you ever heard of the book, “The Coming Economic Earthquake”, by the late Larry Burkett? He was ahead of his time, in terms of predictions. But, the things he said in the late 80s are coming to pass now, to a degree so disturbing, it could make a grown man pee in his pants.

          • Adrian

            No, I haven’t. What things did he predict that are coming true?

          • FirstGarden

            First thing that comes to mind.. he spoke of the nat’l debt reaching 20 trill, and a breaking point whereby we could not even service the interest on the debt. Obviously the full development of this is yet future.

            “A democracy is not a form of government to survive. For it will only succeed until its citizens discover they can vote themselves money from
            the Treasury, then they will bankrupt it.” Here he quotes Karl

          • FirstGarden

            An interesting Burkett quote:
            “The period of 1987 to 1989 paralleled the 1927 to 1929 era so closely it was astounding, even alarming. … But the economy didn’t crash in 1990. Instead, we entered a relatively short-lived recession of moderate severity. As a result, many people … have concluded that the controls now in place are sufficient to avoid all future depressions. Such logic is both faulty and foolish.

            In reality, the only conclusion that
            can be drawn is that we have the ability to delay the inevitable and
            lengthen the time between major cycles. The controls we have are
            adequate to alter, but not stop, the direction of our economy.”

          • FirstGarden

            When do we know a financial crisis is looming? Burkett points to three signs of trouble that will help us see it:

            1. the deficit cannot be funded by additional borrowing (from foreign lenders)
            2. monetizing the debt (basically, they’ll print more money, causing inflation)
            3. taxes, taxes, taxes (to meet fiscal shortfalls)

          • FirstGarden

            Keynesian economic policies—with their explicit license for continuing federal
            deficits and their implicit preference for higher levels of consumption, reduced
            saving, and a larger role for government in the economy—are one of two things.
            They are, as mainstream economists have told college economics students since
            World War II, the means to continued, depression-proof prosperity. Or they are,
            as others like Mr. Burkett insist, a prescription for disaster.

            A review of textbooks written by prominent economists supporting the first
            position will turn up statements that now inspire less confidence than they did
            when first written. One author (the Chairman of President John F. Kennedy’s
            Council of Economic Advisers) had no doubts about the desirability of deficit
            spending when he wrote in his 1960s college text that the country faced the
            prospect of deficits of choice (“deficits of strength”) incurred as necessary to
            sustain demand, or deficits due to low revenues (“deficits of weakness”)
            incurred because the federal government lacked the will to follow the dictates
            of Keynesian theory. Another text of the time insisted that the debt was not a
            real problem, because, although larger year by year, it nevertheless was a
            smaller fraction of the nation’s gross national product. (That was true at the
            time, but has not been true since 1974.) Still another insisted that the debt
            should not be a source for worry since “. . . technically there is never any
            question of the federal government going bankrupt. It can always manufacture

            That, Mr. Burkett insists, is exactly the point. As the interest on the debt
            consumes a larger and larger portion of the yearly federal budget, and more
            money is borrowed each year to pay the interest on what was borrowed in previous
            years, the temptation will become overwhelming to “monetize” the debt, first a
            little bit at a time, and then at an increasing rate. The possible result?
            Chaos, in the manner of post-World War I Germany.

            This book traces the path that other governments have followed in reaching the
            brink and plunging over. It also describes the impact that hyperinflation has on
            a society. It even takes away the faint hope that those deeply in debt might
            entertain—that they could pay off their debts in devalued dollars. Mr. Burkett
            believes that laws would be passed to protect those banks still solvent,
            indexing all debts to the rate of inflation. Ordinary debtors, many without jobs
            because of the resulting depression, could then be faced with debts on homes,
            cars, and other goods many times the amount they initially borrowed.

          • Adrian

            Yes, I’ve seen that quote used many times. The only problem is that is isn’t true. $ 12 trillion went from the treasury to private banks, and not a dime to help the actual people of the country. I also think the rising debt problems is a ticking timebomb.

          • FirstGarden

            Maybe, in our case, the citizens voting themselves more money & gutting the treasury are the rich. They certainly are the end-result beneficiaries in “trickle-up” economics. (I’m not against wealth, but against the non-compassionate use & hoarding of wealth, (to quote the late historian Francis Schaeffer), and the bottomless pit of greed.

          • Adrian

            You got that right, only they aren’t voting, as they’ve learned it’s much more effective to simply buy the politicians. I completely agree with you on wealth: I’m not against it per se, but am against it when it is locked away and the rules of the game are set up so that only the rich get richer while a growing population has to fight for an increasingly shrinking resource pool. That is how you make revolutions.

          • FirstGarden

            That is, if they can get enough
            g u n s. And who’s fighting that? Hmmmm..

          • Adrian

            Our country is the most heavily armed on earth. I don’t see anyone banning guns, or ammo. I do see the militarization of the police and the arming of DHS to obscene levels. They are arming themselves against the people.

          • FirstGarden

            Oh, my thought was – who wants to ban g u n s ? The liberals? Conservatives? Perhaps it’s really those who hold the gold. They care nothing about value systems, only money. Who would fear a r e v o l u t i o n more than them? What I’m suggesting is that it goes deeper than political ideology.

          • Adrian

            Of course, as Jesse Ventura mentions, our 2 parties are really one, playing it up for the cameras but behind closed doors they both work to seal deals and are all part of Club Elite.

          • FirstGarden

            True, both parties are beholden to the I l l u m a n a t i, though not all individuals. But, in the culminative condition of human governance, it does get harder & harder to rage against the machine, if you are to excel in it. I think, politically, they’re still worlds apart, though they both know how to kiss up to the center. However, at the end of the day, and the end of the life, as far as power is concerned, they both take orders from the same boss.

          • Dan1959

            Yup, why would the agencies like the Postal Service and the Energy Department need to be buying obscene amounts of ammunition?

          • Adrian

            They wouldn’t, unless it is all being done under cover (e.g. the ammo isn’t really going to the Post Office, but sent to other coercive agencies to further hide the actual levels of ammunition they are obtaining.) One article I read tried to explain this by applying bureaucratic logic to it, namely that in an attempt for agencies to compete for increased funding, if they don’t use all the funds from the current year they won’t see increases the next year. Thus, they are buying up ridiculous amounts of ammo. That explanation, however, was applied to the DHS, but doesn’t seem entirely adequate to me. I see something more sinister at work, especially in light of the militarization of the police, more domestic surveillance, and laws like the NDAA. Amazing that this stuff doesn’t get talked about more that it deserves.

          • Dan1959

            It doesn’t get talked about because the corporate media is complicit in these activities, or so it would seem.

          • Adrian

            Yes, they manipulate the news. Not to mention the level of ownership of the media is shrinking all the time, coming under control of fewer corporate hands. This is fascism light…and it’s funny that so many people are fooled that it is communism, the polar opposite!

          • Dan1959

            I’m feelin’ ya Adrian, have a great day

          • davidmpark

            Don’t forget the coercion used to obtain all that wealth.

          • FirstGarden

            “What coercion?”, he asks, as he pulls the knife out of his back. 🙂

        • Gay Veteran

          you can’t put a date on it, but (for example) it would be wise to prepare for a major earthquake in CA

      • Drud

        With respect to the Fed “Containing” the current depression, I couldn’t agree more. I just had this thought today, although Orlov put me on the path to it: The Fed pulled off the greatest magic trick of all time in 2009, they stopped a tumbling house of cards mid-fall. They were able to pull this off for one important reason: everyone in the audience closed their eyes and went along because EVERYONE was terrified what would happen if they didn’t.

        • FirstGarden

          Aye, but the FED is not Almighty, good fellow. Nor the dollar, as we shall soon see. Pray ye for a soft landing. For surely it cometh. 🙂

    • Gene Baugh BBA

      It’s not really the coming collapse it’s the ongoing collapse.

    • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

      And when it finally comes, people will be talking about how fast it arrived and complaining about why there weren’t more warnings.

      It is all a matter of perspective.


      • Adrian

        You’re probably right, but cry wolf enough, and people stop listening.

    • GSOB

      “Modern Christianity is so affected by naïve dispensationalism on the right and nefarious liberalism on the left, that it is hard to get an accurate portrayal of postmillennialism that lies between them.”

  • Killer Virus

    I could care less if a collapse comes. I know how to live off the land. My family owns property in a very rural area with a river and a lake. Fish, deer, wild turkey. Just an extended vacation doing something I enjoy.

    • cannuck21

      well good for you

    • Hammerstrike

      Do you live far from any major population center?

      • Killer Virus

        No, but my mom and dad do. Which is a 2 hour drive from me.

        • Hammerstrike

          I think that following a major diasters, there would be human waves leaving major cities.
          Obviously they won´t get that far, not much car fuel available and lack of good physical conditions to march long distances or through difficult terrain, this coupled with little ability to survive in the countryside.
          I would suspect that impovrished populations would move south, where the winters are shorter.
          Dry and or cold regions would become less populated.
          Too few people to sustain looters.

    • sarah

      Until all the fish, deer, and wild turkey are gone.

      They will disappear as many others will have the same idea.

      • Killer Virus

        Anyone coming on that land would be marched out at gun point and all the surrounding land owners would do the same. As long as you don’t over hunt an area , everything repopulates. Plus you can house chickens and grow gardens to supplement.

    • duu daa

      Untill the major population centers empty. I figure 10 or 20 million will head south to the gulf coast.

      • Killer Virus

        Many of these sorry people wont make it that far, the others will follow roads. The trick is to not be near an interstate.

  • CharlesH

    BTW Michael – I come to your site every day for your insightful readings. You have opened my own eyes on more than one occasion. Your work is not going unnoticed or unheeded. Thanks for everything you do!

    • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse


      Thank you so much for those very kind words. I work incredibly hard, and it is very encouraging to get positive feedback about that hard work.


  • BlackDog

    Michael, I would like to point out something to your readers, a prep that may be more important long-term after the currency is reset. Most folks think of Gold and Silver (and Lead, too) as an investment metal. But Gold & Silver & Lead will all buy goods & services, whether there is a currency crisis or not, and if someone wants $1000 for something, are you going to give them a $2000 gold coin, and just skip the change? I put one Gold Maple Leaf and ten Silver Maple Leafs in my bugout bag. Enough to buy goods & services, and make change. Oh, and I have nine 200gr rounds of lead, should you have any interest in confronting me over the other precious metals, but they’re on my hip, not in my bugout bag. For just over $1500 (at today’s prices), and 11 troy ounces of additonal weight in your bugout bag, you can be light years ahead of everybody else that was foolish enough to put their trust in paper. Think of this as an investment in your Here & Now. When the SHTF, that’s all you’ll have — your Here & Now.

    • Gay Veteran

      don’t forget the silver in pre-1965 dimes, quarters, half-dollars, and dollars

  • dadelaw

    Where did this word ‘normalcy’ come from? Like ‘candidacy’. Who invents these silly words? (Michael, for once, this is not your fault! You are the victim of America dumbing down a perfectly good language for no reason at all).
    The correct words are: normality and candidature.

  • Coffeedrinker

    Although touched on slightly in 1 – 16, other important areas of preparation include:
    * mental preparations (prayer and meditation practice–keeps your mind healthy)
    * physical preparations (fitness of the body–keeps your body healthy)
    * spiritual preparations (expansion of Christian beliefs via bible study–keeps you on a path for clean living)

    Thomas Jefferson once said: “… A strong body makes the mind strong.” Which also works in reverse: A strong mind makes for a strong body.

    • GSOB


  • Dr. G.

    If there are 3 million peppers in the USA, and the population as of January 1st, 2014 is listed as 317 million, then doesn’t that sort of mean that 314 million Americans are NOT prepping for a future disaster?

    • davidmpark

      Add to that the 20 million illegals here also. So, it’s really around 334 million souls.

  • Eric Quintero

    So…. only one in six people can actually identify the country that could have potentially started WWIII with Russia and China. Fantastic.

    It must be nice to be so blissfully unaware… I miss those days.

    • Drud

      Agree with everything but the tense … “could have.” WWIII is still very much in play.

    • davidmpark

      Miss those days, too. The only worries being which tie to wear to work, where you left the car in the mall parking lot, and holidays with extended family…

  • Hildy_K

    We are here again, and the deception has taken hold just as in the days of Noah thanks to so many dark forces and the general direction that lost souls tend to take. The supposed “church” has failed miserably.

  • davidmpark

    I’m going to exhort a different route to the secret stash/bunker mentality. Keep the extent of your preparations discrete, of course. On the other hand, encourage and grow closer to your local community to prepare. To survive and also thrive a community is vital.

    This is opposite of what many seem to preach here, but hear me out. I could lay out the obvious reasons for having your local community organized and all doing some level of preparations, but I’d rather go to the how to convince them.

    Sell it to your stable neighbors as an extension of their investments.

    The idea of prepping has some negative connotations to it, especially the title “prepper”. We had many neighbors that were anti-prepper due to the cable shows portraying them as fringe, violent radicals. Simply demonstrate that having the basics of life on-hand for 3, 6, or 12 months is a good method to hedge their bets. When shown that food storage is historically in-vogue and does increase their ability to save for retirement – they actually do get their homes in order.

    When it hits the fan, there will be plenty of folks who can specialize in numerous industries, more foods and materials can be produced, watch your back with a night watch and defense, open a local market, reform a government, keep the local churches going, and care for each other in better condition than hiding in a bunker for 18 months and going crazy. Stability and growth are better accomplished with a community. Children will be able to marry and replenish the land: continuing mankind’s posterity.

  • David Rossback

    Out of the list above if SHTF only a few things on the list are important food , water, first aid a meeting place and maybe phone numbers of family members if the phones are working .

    I would rather own a good packable all weather tent and sleeping bag and sleeping pad and a water filter . than gold or silver or extra cash .

    • Corey W.

      Same here David. I dont need gold and silver just the basics for living. Also some lead incase someone decides they want my stuf

      • Gay Veteran

        ask the people in Argentina or Venezuela if they want some gold or silver.
        when your currency is being degraded you want hard assets

  • Phil from Germany

    Same thing over here in Europe, infact I think its worse. Nobody at all that I have spoken to has any plans what so ever for any form of survival. The main German news last night said Germany is expecting a staggering 2% GDP rise this year !, any wonder nobody is taking it seriously……..Apart from me

    • Killer Virus

      Because people are so brainwashed and in a daze that they can not phantom a catastrophe.

      • Chivers

        Quite frankly, who wants to be ANYWHERE when the SHTF? It’s best to be in a place you are familiar with at least.
        People are not JUST brainwashed, the media does it’s utmost to disguise the real situation. So when the SHTF, a lot of people will be caught out and it won’t necessarily be their fault.

        • Killer Virus

          You guys are more populated per sq mile than we are. You have tough gun laws , we don’t. I know that sounds bad but rural gun owners are much better shots than the city thugs , they would get wrecked. I don’t mean to sound like a bigot but you guys have a huge militant Muslim issue. Even the illegals here are more civil. I know because I lived in Paris for a year.

          • Phil from Germany

            I agree with every single word you wrote….Im sorry ro say. Sounds pathetic I know, but I have got back into archery, not to win medals this time, but to defend myself. Im ex military and would love my 7.62 FN back !

    • Chivers

      I’m in the UK and there are a few preppers here, but precious little support by comparision to the US.

      • Phil from Germany

        Infact from what I gather there is a air of optimisim thats buzzing the UK at the moment. Oh dear , even more will be wiped out.

    • duu daa

      Wait until this winter when the Russian get tired of the BS and turn off your gas!

      • Phil from Germany

        Yep , so right . Thats why Merkel is back peddeling as fast as her fat legs can. Me, I have wood fired heating.

  • sarah

    A few people learn by reading.

    A few more learn by observation.

    But, the rest of the people just have to pee on the electric fence for self. ~ Will Rogers

  • chilller

    People who refuse to open their eyes or prepare, always become upset when someone disrupts their life of denial. A constant reminder to change the oil in your car can be just as big a nuisance to someone who is lazy, can’t afford it or thinks their car runs just find without it. Not preparing for a blown engine can be just as devastating and as easily avoided by something as simple as an oil change. Spend a little time and money now or be caught off guard and pay dearly for it later. Cheap insurance.
    An interesting stat from the percentages listed above would be a comparison of those who live in cities vs those who do not.

  • Founder Church

    98% DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH CHILDREN TO REPLACE THEMSELVES, because they have killed most or all of their children with Birth Control of all sorts and kinds methods and practices. Without lots of children all other prepping is silly futile and a waste of time.

    • Moe

      I just follow a 2000 year old book of fantasy and mythology written and rewritten countless times by men who had their own agendas. It tells me everything to do and think so I don’t have to get my brain dirty.

      • Founder Church

        The Bible is way smarter than you, that is for sure, and YOU have an agenda too. Only yours is dirty, hidden and shameful.

      • Gay Veteran

        oh my, that was good

        • Homer Secshuall

          Are you replying to Moes comment or talking to your boyfriend?

          • Gay Veteran

            don’t you need to get mommy’s breast out of your mouth?

  • Round Objects

    America being dumbed down???? Classic! Michael, why do you think the rest of the world has been laughing at the average US citizen all these years. During the Iraq war other coalition troops had a saying about the US, “all the gear no idea”. What can you expect when your average six year old can name five brands of beer but only one president. I read the hypocrisy of so many of your readers and to paraphrase them, “In God We Trust – but pack a gun”, I’ve read the bible and can’t find that anywhere.

    • Founder Church

      You’re stupid too. Jesus told his followers to even sell their clothes to buy swords but you are too biblically ignorant to know that. Get an education. Google “FounderChurch” and learn some things.

      • lamp shade

        Education and religion are not compatible.

        Get a proper education and a clue, thanks.

        • Wootsauce

          Anything without Christ is useless. Pretty simple concept.

          • joerocket

            I prefer the Flounder Church.

        • Founder Church

          I suspected you were a Leftwing kook and now you have proved me right. Why do YOU PEOPLE always try to hide your true colors?

          • nilly

            can someone please ban flounder church?

      • Round Objects

        You are the perfect example of what I’m saying. “Buy swords”? Hahahaha Jesus said in Matthew 26:52 “All those who live by the sword will die by the sword.” Twisted reasonings.

        • Founder Church

          You are so uneducated and bigoted that you can’t read either. Yes, IF you live by the sword, meaning violence is your only value, then you will perish both here and in the hereafter. Defending youself with weapons is not that. But you are too dumb to be able to make that distinction.

      • Round Objects

        I bet you get up in front of your fleeced flock with bible in right hand and gun in left saying, “When Jesus comes he will be American”

        • Founder Church

          Troll Bigot!

      • Guest

        You have very serious mental health issues. One day we’ll be reading about you in the news. You’re another Jim Jones/David Koresh wanna-be.

        • El Pollo de Oro

          Guest: Flounder is definitely a few chorizos short of a paella.

      • PointofVue

        Ok, so I went to this founderchuch web site. All I seen was someone’s one side blog. “Listen to me, I am always right and everyone else is stupid if they don’t agree” Not seeing a forum to discuss anything, just me, me, me. Put a real discussion on your web site like Michael does as until you do, you are nothing but the troll you talk about. You want to pitch & discuss your site here and not on your own site, if it really is yours.

  • markohio

    Michael- You truly have summed up so much in one article. Kudos! Although I am not a regular to post comments, I truly enjoy reading your articles. Anyone who criticizes you for telling folks to be prepared should be ashamed in my opinion. For, I feel that those individuals who are, simply are too scared to open their eyes in a manner of speaking. Never can I recall when you have stated an exact date of collapse or such. No one can. For it takes time for things to amass to cause the hard times. There will be periods of good times and bad. As the old adage goes…What goes up, must come down. It is that simple. Being a prepared individual myself, I do it in the mindset of being ready for a simple what if and go from there. Residing where I do, I use the weather as my basis of readiness. For I can have blizzards in the winter to tornadoes in the summer. For mother nature is at times unpredictable. Just as the economy. Keep fighting the good fight Michael. There are those of us who truly appreciate your hard work and honest insight.


      We are on the cusp. We are in the process of losing our Reserve Currency status. We won’t get it back.

      • What is YOUR plan to save America, not your own butt, but America and the Dream of our fore fathers and mothers?


          Founder, I think we are too far gone at this point. I am being objective. When a major potential Presidential candidate says illegal immigration is an “act of love” you have to know we are beyond the pale. At this point, I think nothing less than a complete collapse and the resultant massive suffering might possibly bring us around. Maybe. Like a former marathon runner who used to weigh in at 160 and now weighs in at 350, we have to have a major “event” to make us see the error of our ways. At this point, I do not believe the political process is capable of saving us. Recently, I recommitted to my Lord Jesus Christ. I am putting my faith in Him for the time being.

          • Thanks for showing some interest in our mutual fate.

            First, God helps those who help themselves and the Bible backs this up completely.

            Second, you are on one right track, that is Religion. Every wayward person and nation in world history has only found a way back through Religion. Read book of Judges for details of how it works.

            Third, It must be an effective Religion that is up to the task, and I know of not one single Religion, or even a Congregation, that is anywhere near up to the task of leading us out of the dark forest of the error of our ways.

            Fourth, from all evidence I have seen and I look daily, the only Church with even a plan, even a doctrine, even a chance of providing that leadership is “FounderChurch.” If I thought otherwise I would delete all my writing, throw my computer in land fill, and go lay on a beach in Bermuda.

            Google “FounderChurch” for thousands of Teachings.

            What say you?

          • XSANDIEGOCA

            I’ll check it out! This I know, the only CHANGE worth anything comes from within. Our dependence on government has led us to a low estate and probable disaster. The gang of 535 is no longer up to the task if it ever was.
            Subject: Re: New comment posted on 16 Signs That Most Americans Are NOT PREPARED For The Coming Economic Collapse

          • But, hear this: Any good virtuous society is because there are good laws, not because the people suddenly become virtuous one at a time. Society is destroyed by bad laws that create bad people. Those who claim virtue and morality cannot be legislated are WRONG. All Virtue from the beginning of time has grown from good laws and protected and sustained by good laws. Aristotle put it best, wouldn’t you know, when he said, “ALL is by permission of politics” ie (government enforced laws.) Bill Bennett is totally wrong in his Virtues book.

          • The Gang of 535 was up to the task at one time when it created and grew the greatest Republic the world has every known. And it can do it again.

            Here is how: On any given single day of the week Congress can impeach the president the supreme Court and all other judges and officials, put them on trial, sentence them to death, execute them, and install their replacements by sundown on that single day.

            All they need is a two thirds majority in both houses. And the entire thing would be totally constitutional. Think about it. I didn’t write the Constitution, I only read it, carefully and accurately

            Just saying…….

          • FirstGarden

            I’ve heard these kinds of claims many times. Virtually any group who is restoration-oriented tends powerfully toward exclusivism, elitism, legalism, sometimes authoritarianism. All the cults too, although I would not refer to your group as a cult. But, I can mention multitudes of groups who say they’re better than yours, both Christian and cultic. If you were older and more experienced with what’s out there, you would not be talking like this.

            The world doesn’t need a new definition of Christianity, but a new demonstration of Christianity.

          • Really tell what groups you favor or are referring to and I will check them out.

            I agree that ALL groups of any sort tend toward these things you mention, exclusivism, elitism, legalism, and sometimes authoritarianism, whether all governments at every level, churches or religions, the Civil Rights movement, the Tea Parties, or the Gay Rights movement. It is something we need to guard against always.

            I think ALL organizations and movements or any sort need reformation all the time, especially Christianity. Read all my posts and Google “FounderChurch” for thousands of hits.

          • FirstGarden

            I’m surprised at your answer. It was more humble than I thought it might be, and I respect that. I, myself, don’t favor any groups above yours. But I have been involved (in the deep past) with groups that thought they were “IT”, and have encountered many others besides. It goes like this: “You may be involved in a church, and that’s all well & good. But you really should be here. This is where it’s happening.”

            There are a number of well-meaning churches that start out well. Then they are overtaken with some overarching theme or concept such as restoration, the 5-fold ministry, or the ground (or premise) of what a local church is.

            Then they become “The Church Of The Big Doctrine” and get high on themselves. High and holy standards are exalted, often rigid and legal in their application, and it becomes a code of externals – what you need to do and be – to fit in.

            Jesus — the Person — is pushed, subtly, from the center.

            Groupthink is very powerful; and always, there is some very charismatic leader on the forefront, or behind the scenes. And he is like a mini-Pope, considered infallible and irreproachable. No one dares question him for fear of falling out of favor with the group. Except for a very rare founder, movement leader, apostle, or fill-in-the-blank, who has a humble heart, is able to receive correction (even from those “below” him), and expose himself inwardly before the flock. I knew one of these, personally. Kind regards. 🙂

          • GSOB

            New wine skins…

          • Richard

            FC – HOW FOOLISH THOU ART.

          • GSOB

            Where do you get the premise or idea to from the Bible to assert, like many unbelievers do, that….

            “First, God helps those who help themselves and the Bible backs this up completely.”


            I find that in the Scriptures the opposite to be true.


          • FAITH v WORKS: This is a touchy subject as any subject would be that divvied up work between partners. We are, in effect partners with God, so the dividing line between what we should and must do, and what God will then do, is argued about ceaselessly over the centuries.

            Faith, (Trust in God,) without Works (Helping Yourself) is Void. That is God will not help those who do not help themselves.

            But, Works (Helping yourself) without Faith (Reliance on God) is filthy rags.

            Most Christians and Churches get this all mixed up. One group, the Works group tends to shortchange Faith. The other Group, the Faith group, shortchanges Works.

            Perhaps I’m asking too much of you for you to get this, I don’t know. We will see.

            Google “FounderChurch” for more Teachings

          • GSOB

            I understand what you are saying.

            The ‘dichotomy’… is more profoundly merciful than that, …distinguishable but inseparable companions…

            in other words….

            Here is God’s doing:
            He provides the faith which is pleasing to Him.

            Here is our work after that faith is received:

            We believe

            That harmonizes well with the two criminals crucified with the Lord, the one on His left and the other on the right.

    • We all appreciate Michael, I certainly do, but do we see ourselves and our dysgenic lifestyle as the enemy?

  • DJohn1

    There was a time when the people were independent of the currency structure. The entire nation was agricultural. Money is what you paid the bank at the end of the year after the crops came in.
    When Europe came crashing down in two disasterous World Wars, the civilized world was in chaoes. The United States stepped in at the end of the wars and supplied the funds to rebuild. It was called foreign aid.
    We still have foreign aid. World War II has been over since 1945. The difference is we are no longer king of the hill.
    We paid for it with an Income Tax in the first World War. That was mistake number one.
    We kept the Income Tax as a way of paying for all the social programs we made in the Great Depression. Mistake number two.
    In the 60s we made two enormous mistakes. We went to war in VIetnam and went into debt to the tune of 400 billion pre-Nixon dollars. Mistake number three.
    From the 50s on, we have gradually destroyed the American way of life.
    Nixon devalued the American Dollar to pay back the war debts in devalued dollars to the tune of about 10 cents on the dollar. Mistake number four. This also put numbers to an increase in the value of the stock market in devalued dollars.
    By the eighties, we were thoroughly involved in importing all our retail goods from China and India. Mistake number five.
    Reagan attracted foreign investment by increasing the interest rates on housing to record highs of over 18 percent interest. Mistake number 6.
    This put everyone into a recession that lasted for years. It was supposed to stop inflation which it did for a while.
    Clinton sighed international trade agreements. Mistake number 7. This allowed a big job loss to occur. It is still going on.
    Bush came in and lowered taxes to a point where the national debt kept climbing and climbing. Mistake number 8.
    He unloaded all of this at the end of his terms by putting time limits on the tax breaks. Mistake number 9.
    Obama came in blaming Bush for the problem. He solved the problem by putting us well over our heads in debt and destroying most of the middle class by ignoring the imports and exporting of jobs. Mistake number 10.
    My point is we can only support so many idiots in government before the entire thing collapses in on itself. That is about to happen. Most people are city folk. The city folk do not know how to feed themselves without money.
    The trick is going to be for all of us to survive the exit of money as a way of life. It is already happening.


      Should be mandatory reading on every OpEd page in the country.

    • But the reason for all these “Mistakes” was our love of money and our hatred of children. A perfect recipe for the fall of every civilization in history. And guess what, you personally, are part of it. So next time you whine look in the mirror to find you enemy.

  • PointofVue

    Michael, many of your statistics point to increasing numbers, yet at the same time explains why many are not concerned. In my 50+ years, I have seen one generation of welfare recipients be embarrassed, to the next generation’s quiet acceptance, to the latest generation expecting & bragging about it (surfer dude and lobster). This does not include everyone by any means, as there are some who do need temporary assistance & work to get away from it. There is also that mindset of too many people living in the USA today and they know, if something happens, the government will step in and take care of them, just as they have been doing for years. It seems the younger they start down the path, this becomes a way of life, compared to those people who have been around the block a few times.

    • Our problems originate in YOU. FACT CHECK: NO ONE NEEDS ANY TEMPORARY HELP. You don’t know that and for that reason our whole society is damned and destroyed. See, you are part of the problem and don’t know it, or won’t admit it.

      • PointofVue

        Then why do churches want people’s money to help people when they are down? Is this not temporary? I am no the problem as never accepted welfare. Your comments make no sense here or other places you post.

        • DeathToTrolls

          That’s because he’s a troll.

        • Guest

          I agree, PointofVue. His comments make no sense.

        • Founder Church

          Most churches are infested with Democrat evil filth.

      • Richard


  • duu daa

    We are now 7 years into a collpase. This is a very slow motion train wreck and no one realizes the train left the track. Its slowly choking the life out of us. Ten more years we will look like Africa or eastern Europe. I look at the past 7 years and project it forward and I think thats our fate.

    However, if someone or something rocks the boat too much then the banks could go belly up over night. All it takes is a panic in a major city and the house of cards comes down. I would not even want to be near a major city.

    I think a collapse will be a western world event. The poorer the country the less they will notice. Just my guess…

    • But the “Western World” does not have to wait to die from a collapse, it is dying one inch at a time as it is, and that is a much more likely scenario, and much more sure. Boil the Frog slowly and he won’t even know he is being killed.

      • Richard


        • GSOB

          Let him write and back off will ya?

  • jakartaman

    I have thanked you many times and will continue to do so.
    It has amazed me also that MOST people are walking around oblivious to whats unfolding before heir eyes. Being old< I do not worry about myself, I am terrified for my children and grandchildren. I talk with them about what I see on the immediate horizon- They listen because they respect me, but I do not see much action. I believe they think I am over reacting.

    • No, you offer them nothing. How many were those “children” and how many were those grandchildren, and what did you teach them. Likely nothing much of any use to them. You can smell death, and the WASP has one foot in the grave, and one foot on a banana peel. We killed our children with birth control, (not abortion btw) and now we will die without hope.

      • Richard

        FC who made YOU Judge over Jman or anyone else on this site? You sir will answer to same righteous Judge, the Lord Jesus Christ for your sins as will we all. “who are YOU to judge another man’s servant?” Repent FC for your self righteous judgment of another man’s deeds.

        • I stand by every word I post on this or any site. How dare you judge me?

          • Tom_F

            @Founder, God doesn’t like you any more than he likes me or anybody else on the board, or elsewhere. You have no more claim to God than anyone. How dare YOU?!?!!

          • GSOB

            Wrong assumption Tom_F.
            Romans 9:13 refutes that assumption.

          • Richard

            What a Hopeless Fool U R FC.

      • Tom_F

        @Founder, so what if white people die off? What makes them any better than any other people? Why does somebody who doesn’t want kids have an obligation to have them, just so you can feel better about having more white people around? Very weird worldview, I’m surprised you are so comfortable not only sharing it but promoting it.

  • kathym2

    $2,000 is like 2 million to me. That is sad because 5 years ago I would have said no problem. I miss those days.

    • davidmpark

      Miss ’em too.

  • The thing is everyone thinks it’s going to happen tomorrow, then tomorrow comes and nothing happens so they become complacent. The ones running the world have been planning what is going to happen for centuries. A few extra days or years to them is nothing. Get in the Word folks, when things do go downhill that will be of great comfort.

    • Where are you people’s children? That is the 64,000 dollar question. You are a dying breed, and Birth control of every sort has killed you off.

      Either change totally your lifestyle and values, or give up the ghost. Google “FounderChurch” for any hope you might have.

      • FirstGarden

        A few kind words might be more inspiring for those whom you’d like to inquire into Founder Church. If you would catch fish, venture your bait, good laddie.

      • Tom_F

        Your spam is annoying and off-topic (and lacks value).

        • Your complaint about my writing is annoying, and off-topic, and lack any value.

          • Tom_F

            So go get your own audience by providing a message with value, instead of being a parasitical pilot fish.
            That way you won’t have to complain about my complaint.

          • I’ve checked your posts and you have never made a post that added anything to any discussion. What are you doing here anyway, except to disrupt and drive people away with you constant Trolling and Bigoted attitude. People may disagree with me, and I welcome that for I want to hear their reasoned arguments, but you are not in that category.

          • Tom_F

            @Founder, your “assessment” of my posts is untrue, and you are counting on others to just…take your word for it. Here’s a flash: I’m not the one with the credibility problem.

          • Richard


          • Richard


          • Richard


      • willkes

        Change our lifestyle to what ? And… Just how many children are people supposed to have ? Most people can’t afford a litter of kids these days, even more, most people don’t want that many kids. Shouldn’t that be a personal choice?

        • Of course having children as well as everything else is life is a personal choice and people have the right to make them, which God gave them to start with. Of course they have to live with those choices and they have to live with what other think and express regarding those choices. But no one has any right to be free from criticism. I’m sure you must understand this.

          • willkes

            You have been more critical than anyone else here, which is your choice, but you lose any point you were trying to make, when you can’t get anyone to listen.

          • Richard


        • You use of the pejorative term “litter” to describe any children shows that your attitude toward all children, and is a slur against little people who can’t defend themselves. You should be ashamed to use that word and apologize.

          • willkes

            Nope, not ashamed, sorry. The word litter fit as your comment inferred people should be having many kids, when that is not what they want.

          • Richard

            The FOOL FC AT IT AGAIN.

      • Richard

        The HOPELESS FOOL FC strikes AGAIN.

  • sherlock32555

    No one is truly prepared for the total collapse of our nation even though they think they are. When you have to live in fear all the time and not knowing if you or a family member will make it. Hope we can turn this around before happens, but in my heart I know we can’t or will not. Their are to many that still believe we have a two party system when we have one and they don’t represent us. All I can say is get what you can as soon as possible.

    • Why do you and others like you care? You likely have few, if any, children and so you and your descendants are unlikely to even be here before the end of this century. (Check the census bureau statistics and projections)

      I find this similar profile among most all of the “over the hill” Preppers. They are a forlorn wandering gaggle of lost souls with crates of duct tape, water, guns, Bibles batteries, and stored food. Laughable is what they are.

      It is so sad….. The same profile makes up the Tea Parties and the Churches. Pitiful lost souls all. There ideas are fine, it is they who are not fine. No young people would touch them with a ten foot pole.

      I’m so sorry this is the way it is, not the way it should be, but the way it is. Sadly.

      • sherlock32555

        We have two grown children and they know that they have to prepare, because they know the government will not. As for any church its up to the person who they pray or affiliate with. When the time comes you will wish you had prepared and listened because when your stomach is killing you and you are to weak from not having anything to eat you will wish you had listened. I look at it like this its up to you what you want to do with your life.

      • FirstGarden

        Beware of exclusivism and elitism within Church followings.

        • GSOB

          Jesus told them, “This is the will of God, that you believe in the one he has sent.”

      • Tom_F

        @Founder, why do YOU care? If the ones you criticize are so marginalized, then they don’t impact your life.. You are just trying to shut up people who are doing what they think is right. If you think something else is right, go ahead and say it, nobody is trying to shut YOU up (although you might be one of those claiming some perverse victimhood entitlement due to an imaginary ‘war on Christianity’.)

        • I don’t ever try, or want to try to shut anyone up, even the devil. But a bunch of people always want to silence me, never mind any war on Christianity. People who hate God have been attacking religion for thousands of years, nothing new there. So, don’t deny it.

          • Tom_F

            @Founder, you are a Control Freak trying to tell everyone else what to do. You are just another “General looking for an army” and just because others ignore or disagree with you does not make them “hate God” or trolls or bigots. Who hates God, anyway?*eye roll* Just mind your own business, not everyone else’s.

  • So many on this site, are Trolls with NO ideas of their own, and NO content in their posts. They are anti-free speech, and only want to name call and censor others who do have something to say.

    They are the kind that all totalitarian states recruit to oppress the people. They have an agenda of hate, violence and destruction.

    We know who they are by what they post. Everyone should shun them, and describe them for the obstructionist filth they are.

    They have no shame, no God, and no Country, and no respect for anyone. And no intelligence or education.

    Uneducated Bigot Trolls Is What They Are.

    • DeathToAllTrolls

      Typical troll defense-mechanism. Nice try.

    • FirstGarden

      That seems more true in the articles with hot-button topics like the thought-Nazis. Not as much on the financial topics, unless they get too political in nature.

    • DerpDerp

      If someone has an opinion opposing your’s, that doesn’t make them a troll.
      In fact, if you’re just going to make a blanket statement like that, you’re exhibiting troll-like tendencies yourself.
      Perhaps read the comment and attempt to see from their point of view? Keeping an open mind is a good way to expand your knowledge and understanding of a situation.

      • I do as you suggest all the time. If they are trying express something I’m interested but ad hominem attack and just rude attacks by the same persons over and over and over qualify as a Troll and a Bigot. Thank you for you post. I agree with some of it, but not all of it.

    • jerry

      LOL, go home flounder church.

  • Thanks Michael, we just need to continue to shout the truth from the rooftops. The thing that “pains” me the most, is that the people who are the closest to us are the ones who are “asleep” or will not listen. I guess we cannot “cast pearls” to the swine (those who refuse to listen). Proverbs 9

  • dienow

    I would easily be able to come up with $2000….If only the price of silver would rise back to the mid 30s. Sure am glad I listened to all these doom and gloomers claiming a dollar collapse is always right around the corner.

    • FirstGarden

      I would easily be able to come up with $2000….if only prop tax didn’t eat it all up – TWICE a year. That’s $4000 a year to own a friggin condo (which the bank really owns – they hold the title deed.. I just pay the rent, which is mostly interest.)

      • DerpDerp

        You’re paying $4k in property taxes…for a condo? Youch! My condolences.
        I hope you don’t have to pay condo fees/tenants association fees too.

        • FirstGarden

          I do, but it’s low. Still, we’re behind on that maybe two grand. Lovely day, aye?

  • Anon

    How many of those people who couldn’t come up with $2000 in an emergency managed to find funds to buy a big flat screen TV ( or 2 or 3) and to pay a $100+/month cable bill.

  • Tom_F

    Michael, thanks for this post. The concept of ‘normalcy bias’ is new to me, but your examples and description make a great deal of sense and I now realize I have fallen for this just like most others. There are many more things that don’t cost much, that I could continue to do for emergency; thanks again.

  • Taxes and rising prices are doing me in. I would love to have extra money to put aside or even some to invest but with taxes and rising prices it’s not going to happen. If things would deflate about 10%, I would have the money to make things much more secure. I would go and get a second job, but that’s not even possible anymore. Things are going to get ugly if we have another downturn (and we will).

  • Vic

    If someone can show those numbers trending up.. that is great news.. down.. of course a problem.. But awareness of the need to prep is there and close to half the population is doing it.. Stop and think how really Great! that is..

    According to the US Census 15% of the population is living in Poverty.. The overwhelming majority of them cannot reasonably be expected to come on board the prepper community anytime soon..

    It will take a monumental dedicated effort to such urban folks to lay up preps.. (an unknown % are rural folks who while technically living in poverty may or may not be.. and may or may not already be practicing self sufficiency and in part or whole living off the land.

    So now you have to raise the percentages for all those categories by lets say 10 percent amongst those economically capable of prepping..

    Now lets look at the numbers from those economically capable of taking action

    66 % have first-aid kits

    62 % have emergency supplies to some extent.

    67 % have a minimum three-day supply of nonperishable food and water at home

    55 %believe local authorities will not come to their rescue if disaster strikes

    58 % have a designated family meeting place if they are separated during an emergency

    68 % percent know the phone numbers of all of their immediate family members

    89 % percent know their workplace has an emergency preparedness plan

    73 % have a list of the drugs they are taking

    58 % have copies of health insurance documents

    Now do we want those numbers (which are all estimates from any source) to reach the high 90s…. of course..

    Nonetheless I would say .. were all doing darn good and need to keep it up..

    I knew a fella who lived in a Richie Rich neighborhood.. Instead of hiding his preps. He took a different tack.. One of his Liberal neighbors was medical professional. He realized there were risks but one day (after 10 years) he showed a single stash of food to one of his neighbors. The person said.. why do you have so much food stored? .. He said with a grin well “I have neighbors and it will be better to feed them than to eat them”.. A few weeks later the neighbor and he were having coffee as they did from time to time.. The topic of emergency preps came up from the neighbor.. who then said.. what do you think I should do?.. The fellas said.. Why don’t ou make a list of what you think you would need to care for say 20 people these folks around here.. medically for a year or so. To treat the most common illnesses, some the end the neighbor took their expertise and put it to use..

    It takes time to plant seeds and watch them grow… and patience.. If we choose we are ambassadors for preps. (The Pro Second Amendment Movement has been doing that for years with great success) . If we come off as nut jobs.. people will be in trouble if/when things go south.. So like the fella who said it was easier to feed his neighbor than eat them.. It will easier for us to present ourselves as we are .. reasonable normal folks who have families, jobs are active in our community (love the Lord) and encourage those around us to head in the direction of prepping..

    Like that Jimmy Dean Commercial says…

    “Were all Awesome” lol


  • piccadillybabe

    Not to mention the obvious but canned food and water have a shelf-life as well as medical supplies. A stash of freeze-dried food would be the way to go. That stuff can last years in a cool dry place. Having a 6-month supply of that would do ya for quite a while providing you have water and a simple stove set up. Being a camper and backpacker from way back, this type of sustenance is second nature to me. I plan on heading for the hills/trails soon to deal with nature and the elements as a minimalist and get mentally and physically more prepared.

  • Priszilla

    “only one out of every six Americans can even find Ukraine on a map of the world.”

    That’s better than I thought.

  • Batman

    Well when you have a current country that’s built on greed,prestige,and manipulation its harder for most to see the coming crisis.On top of the “sidetrack” system( china made goods;nite life) it will be much harder to persuade the sheeple.

    Its just like the story “The grasshopper and the ants”.The ants prepp because they knew that a winter storm was coming but the grasshopper continued to play his fiddle in an “O well” attitude.The ants survived feasting but the grasshopper not so.

    When the wolves are done swiping the sheeple fur, it wil be too late for them to do anything about it.They will be left out naked in the cold in desperation and fear.You get what you deserve.

  • ResilientNews

    Michael what is your opinion on vaccines?

  • 23tony

    I find that a lot of so-called “preppers” aren’t really all that prepared, and are just as unrealistic as those who haven’t prepped at all. I suspect a lot of them are “fad preppers” – they’re in it because it’s the latest thing, not because they’re really being prepared.

    3 million is about 1 in 100. Figure no more than half are really prepared, so that means 99.5% of the country isn’t ready for anything.

    • davidmpark

      Kinda agree. Most of the preppers I know have gone heavy in some necessities and light in others. The more militant ones tend to focus on MRE’s and firearms; while others just store food only. Few have medical, shelter, fuels, water, or toiletries.

      • 23tony

        And practically none (that I’ve seen) have any thought of the LONG term – 5+ years – and the idea of rebuilding.

        • davidmpark

          Exactly! The focus should be on rebuilding.

  • grumpyhillbilly

    At this point in time I don’t know how you would prepare. Taxes and insurance premiums always are going up. Electricity is too. Then you have the various national and regional issues facing the food and water supplies. Obviously none of us know when a collapse will start. I think you can make an argument that the financial one is beginning, but what if the collapse is due to something like an earthquake or hurricane. The one thing I suspect is that when this thing happens I’m probably not correctly prepared at all.

  • Linda Warnke

    I’d just like to make a comment about the ‘prepping’ thing.
    To prepare for adversity is great, a very wise move. But it seems to me that there are a lot of people who are just mindlessly accumulating ‘stuff’ they think they will need when the bottom falls out. And some of these folks think they will be eating biscuits while their less-prepared neighbors are boiling their shoes for soup.
    I have a feeling that in such a scenario, the ‘biscuit-eaters’ would probably be killed by the hungry neighbors, and have their stuff stolen. And I doubt many of them have actually gone over the scenario of putting a bullet between their neighbor’s eyes when push comes to shove. (It’s not nearly as easy as you’d think..)They will hesitate, and that moment of inaction will be the end of them.
    Isn’t all this ‘prepper-hoarding’ of supplies just another version of the ‘wealth-hoarding’ we see today among the ultra-wealthy? They too are ‘prepping’ in their own way, aren’t they? Is there really a difference between someone who hoards bank balances in off-shore accounts and someone who hoards dried food in large amounts? Both are attempting to secure their future needs by amassing ‘stuff’.
    But neither will be able to KEEP their ‘stuff’ if the system collapses, and the only things a man will “own” will be that which he can hold in his hand and DEFEND.
    And to those who bring up Scripture, I would suggest that those who pray the most for His return may end up wishing He’d stayed home. Because from everything I’ve read about Jesus, I get the feeling that when He DOES show up, He’s gonna be very, very pissed-off.

    • Joe Kleinkamp

      There is a big difference between putting aside provisions to get you through a bad year or two and stashing enough wealth to last thousands of lifetimes in the Caymans. You’re right about having to be ready to shoot though. That is a matter requiring serious prior contemplation to truthfully assess your ability to act. I’m more concerned about the harsh way what’s left of the authorities will prosecute self defense as hate crimes or vigilantism. Still leaning toward biscuits over the Timberlands soup though.

  • Jason7189

    Prepping is a wise and prudent thing to do, to help secure your families physical wellness and happiness, but valuing “stuff and things” will never bring true happiness in this life.

    Matthew 6:19-20 “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal.”

    Philippians 3:8 “Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things and count them but dung, that I may win Christ”

  • Wally

    Simple Rules of Prepping:

    1. You have to have sustainable water. No water and three days all the gold, silver, food, ammo, guns won’t save you. Buy a good long term water filter. I bought a few of these: LifeSaver water bottles.

    2. Don’t under any circumstance tell anyone you have anything. Don’t brag about your 10 year supply. Don’t tell anyone you have a safe and are buying gold and silver. Don’t tell anyone you except what is required by law that you own firearms. You have to play as if you are suffering just as bad as everyone else.

    3. When the SHTF. You cannot be neighborly and start sharing what you have no matter what anybody tells you or what their sob story is. If you want to live you have to turn people away otherwise it is all over for you. Immediate family only.

    4. Don’t wait a week before you think about leaving. You have to get out immediately and not on a heavily traveled road. Think highways and not freeways. Freeways will be packed beyond belief and may never move and then your stuck among tens of thousands of people all starting to go crazy. It won’t take long for the govt to declare Martial Law and once they do you are trapped where ever you are.

    • Frank Bell


      Where do you wan’t to go?

      If SHTF there will be no place to go. Do you think you can travel into a small community where they don’t know you?

  • wally

    Hey Michael you always are writing about pre-collapse times and its mechanisms. I would be interested to hear what your thoughts are on post-collapse. What do you think life will be like a few days, months, years down the road?

    • FirstGarden

      Hear! Hear! 🙂

  • Spy#1

    I do not think I would want to be in a large metropolitan area such as New York, Atlanta, or Jacksonville…etc, when the feces does strike the rotating blades. The sense of community will be defined as “us against them.” You will really learn to love the sight of armored vehicles cruising down your street…just like a banana republic dictatorship. Don’t worry if you become displaced. FEMA will provide you with three square and a cot at one of their many fine “home away from home” camps.

  • Spy#1

    We’ll be fighting in the streets
    With our children at our feet
    And the morals that they worship will be gone
    And the men who spurred us on
    Sit in judgement of all wrong
    They decide and the shotgun sings the song

    • Rob W

      Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

      • FirstGarden

        WHOoooooooo are you talking about?

        • FirstGarden

          Won’t get fooled again.

          • Rob W

            ‘Cause now we know they’re all the same.

          • GSOB

            God gives those who please him wisdom, knowledge, and joy; but if a sinner becomes wealthy, God takes the wealth away from him and gives it to those who please him. So here, too, we see an example of foolishly chasing the wind.

          • Rob W

            God must really love George Soros. LOL

    • GSOB


  • Gay Veteran

    good points. To paraphrase Gerald Celente regarding this year’s economy: like last year only worse

  • golaydc

    Michael Snyder suggests ” we all learn how to think for ourselves”,.. “to make our own decisions, we are just going to follow the rest of the herd into oblivion”. and “Sadly, most Americans will never do that”

    Few realize the public’s health, independence and clear thinking abilities have been disabled
    by a poisoning agenda to chemically dumb them down and make them anxious, apathetic and depressed. View neurosurgeon Dr Russell Blaylock’s utube video

    that exposes this program by our hidden rulers.
    According to 22 year World Bank attorney Karen Hudes, a hidden “super entity” owning 43,000 corporations is controlled by the head of the
    Jesuit Religious order known as the Black Pope.
    They have a reputation since 1540 for secrecy, deceit and assassinations.

    These are the master poisoners of history and have been accused of poisoning White Popes,
    who represent the public face of the church, in 1773, 1958 and 1975, that tried to remove
    this organized crime syndicate scourge from the Catholic church.

    The Jesuits have been implicated in the assassination of Abraham Lincoln and JFK and have been expelled from over 100 countries for their vicious plots to gain power.

    According to Hudes, their accountants were the Rothschilds who were behind the Federal
    Reserve banker plot to take control and embezzle America’s money since 1913.

    This parasitic, criminal banker organized crime syndicate, masquerading as a religious order,
    has been secretly controlling the west for over 100 years, mostly through a poisoning agenda

    using vaccines, fluoride, GMOs and toxic chemicals and metals in our food, water and medicine in order to subjugate the masses and disable all threats to their domination.

    • Wally

      Yep I have heard Karen Hudes as well. Very chilling stuff. I think we would be completely blown away if we knew everything that was going on.

  • Kris

    I don’t think anyone has the right to criticize how many times you reiterate the need to become prepared. Your stats about three million Preppers shows that there are plenty of people who need to hear those words.

  • ian

    i was thinking of making a television series much like walking dead which follows the lives of various people after a collapse. Seeing as how it is ever really going to happen, i think it would be a really good dose of fantasy.

  • FirstGarden

    Sometimes little boys cry wolf. But let us not forget that across history wolves have indeed appeared.

    • K2

      Thats why i said, ”While some prepping in itself is not bad or unnecessary”

      • FirstGarden

        I agree that some overdo it. How do you eat gold? How does your rifle answer 12 others pointed at you? How does your organic garden and food stash evade hordes of predatory mercenaries?

        • K2

          Well gold is a good investment, i dont know in the sates , but in almosy every country. If in cases of currency collapse(if it occurs with an economic collapse) gold will be useful to buy stuff. Even in cases where there is no currency collapse, it is good hedge against inflation in a weakening economy.

          As for food, candles, radio, house we need them to eat to sruvive, light up a room to know what we are eating, radio to communicate in cases of emergency and a house for shelter. And our rifle will serve as long as it can. Having all of these is better than having none of these.

          Overdoing means, building bunkers inspite of having a house, or buying years of water/food supply and tons of ammo enough for a battalion.

          • K2

            i meant we need to ‘it’ to eat to survive.

  • DB200

    A discussion today during family dinner:

    Daughter: “Why is everybody in the media so fond of President Obama?” Son: “Yeah, he is quite a skinny guy, not very big or impressive”. Mother: “We must not look at appearance, that’s what the Bible says”. Son: “Yeah mom, you are right, sorry about that.” Daughter: “But is he a good or bad president?”. Father: “I would say a bad president because there haven’t been more poor people in the history of the USA than now”. Mother: “But isn’t his predecessor to blame for this?”. Father: “Seems to me that this assumption cannot be true because he is already 6 years president of the USA and the number of poor are increasing still”.

    • debthater

      Sounds like some members of this family are suffering from some serious dementia. I would give the father a pass except that I have to assume he is the one who reported this totally unremarkable, commonplace and uninteresting nonsense.

  • chris

    Anyone not dead after say two weeks post societal collapse will be automatically assumed to have supplies and weapons and medicine and will be rounded up by the authorities who will want those items anyway. Probably best to minimize/eliminate any contact with people outside your own group and not advertise your presence.

  • Wally

    Have you seen Stocks had a huge fall today. Watch very closely! If it continues tomorrow, start thing about an exit strategy. The HeartBleed Virus is affecting 70% of the Internet, I recommending getting what you can out of the bank at least until this is taken care of. There are some very bad signs right now.

  • Mondobeyondo

    Well… considering how well prepared the city of New Orleans was, pre-Hurricane Katrina (including the top of the state government on down)…..

    No. The vast majority of us are NOT ready for what’s coming.

  • duu daa

    Family Dollar to close 370 stores.

    • debthater

      Family Dollar is no cheaper than drug or grocery stores. They are caught in no man’s land where they aren’t competing on any of the big three – price, quality, or service/convenience. Dollar Tree has run both them and Dollar General right out of town.

  • old soldier

    It does get discouraging, but the word has to be gotten out. I remember a psychologist who once wrote a person has to say the word “no” approximately a dozen times before the other person spoken to realizes no is no. That is maybe the case here. Few people I know do any kind of preparing. Trying to tell people to prepare seems almost hopeless because they refuse to see the possibility of a disaster occurring. And people do have a tendency to forget the results of disasters. One prime example of this, and one I encourage people to read about, is the Galveston Hurricane of 1900. It is supposedly the worse hurricane ever to hit the U.S. Read about it and you will see the article above is “right on target.”

  • Adrian

    Well, the stock market sure did take a hit today. Yippee is all I can say.

    • FirstGarden

      I like your new avatar, except I can hardly see it. That last one was kinda goony. 🙂

      • Adrian

        Thanks. No photoshop, just a pic of me at the beach a few years back.

  • Tom

    Jesus was an mix between Arab and black..Have a nice day.

  • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

    Do you think that I have a secular worldview?


    • Ben

      In the way that you want to try and prepare for the events of Revelation (1948 + 80 years = we have max 8 years left here before the rapture), yes I think you do. Just sit back and let God look after you. We’ll be raptured before things get too bad, anyway.

      • The Vicar

        Wow. Such wow.

        At what point in history has God let his people not be persecuted? In fact, persecution is one of the defining traits of God’s elect. So how does any of our history line up with the concept of a pre-tribulation rapture?

        Christians won’t be raptured. We’ll be martyred instead.

        Prepare your soul.

      • jaxon64

        I am also a fan of Jack and visit rapture ready often to read his articles-among others.
        One of the primary reasons that I don’t join in discussions on their chat boards is because of a glaring, universal, mistaken presumption they all seem to have.
        God’s wrath does not equal the falling apart of man’s structures/systems or even the man induced persecution of Christians !!!
        An economic collapse and physical persecution or improsnment of Christians in the USA does not preclude a pre-trib rapture point of view!
        Christians are being slaughtered all over the Middle East, Asia and Africa–yet pre-tribbers somehow believe that “american christians” will not face this–wrong! These are actions of MEN, not God.
        God promises that we won’t be subject to his wrath, however much of these events will quite possibly happen before the first seal is broken, the first horse rides or the man of perdition arrives on the scene.
        Such American arrogance! ” God will never allow bad things to happen to His church so we don’t need to prepare because we will be taken before that.”
        News flash–none of the 7 seals, bowls or trumpets of God’s judgements/wrath has anything to do with a collapse of the dollar, non-persecution or restrictions upon US citizens or a collapse of the USA as a sovereign nation–all could happen ( and quite possibly will) before we see the events of the tribulation proceed.
        Please understand this my brother, and awaken others also to this possibility–we could very well see very dark times ahead before we reach the 5th chapter of The Revelation. Russia, Iran and Turkey are abundantly referenced–China and a 200 milliuon man army from the east—a coalition of European union nations—but not a sovereign and world power USA…ever wonder why?

        • GSOB

          1. The majority of The Revelation written by John has been fulfilled already.

          2. Jack Kelly and many, many others are not correct in their teaching, you included, on the Revelation.

          3. “…we could very well see very dark times ahead before we reach the 5th chapter of The Revelation. Russia, Iran and Turkey are abundantly referenced–China and a 200 milliuon man army from the east—a coalition of European union nations—but not a sovereign and world power USA…ever wonder why?”

          = LIES

          You are spouting error and deceit.

          The key is regeneration, propagation of the gospel, and the conversion of men.

          • FirstGarden

            Would you consider yourself a partial preterist? Just curious.

          • GSOB

            I’ll consider being called or labeled or categorized as most anything.

            A partial preterist? Me?

            (partially – yes)

            What pleases the Lord is

            faith. Not a mindless faith, as you know.

            Most would consider me a

            Postmillennialist. That’s a big word, but personally, I just dub myself as a Christian.


            I consider that most if not all that this site has to offer:




            is the feeding trough that is sorely needed by most believers today.

            Kenneth Gentry is
            someone I recommend to you Brother.

      • GSOB

        Rapture fever….

        what a pernicious doctrine that has become.

        “Just sit back and let God look after you.”

        The sentiment is contrary to the healthy teaching of the Scriptures

        REV 3:16
        I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other!

        Ecclesiastes 9:10
        Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might, for in the realm of the dead, where you are going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom.

        • FirstGarden

          Aren’t you talking to a Christian brother here?

          • GSOB

            God only knows.

            One verse for each category of men.

          • FirstGarden

            And one verse when God spoke the universe into creation.

            One Verse..

            UNI – VERSE

            “Let there be Light.”


      • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse


        I am afraid that you are greatly, greatly mistaken. The Scriptures never tell us to sit back and let God do everything for us. I encourage you to check out this article that I wrote previously…


        • Ben

          Yes, they do.

          Matt. 6:19-20.

          “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal.”

          Matt. 6:31,33
          “Do not worry about what you will eat or drink or wear. But seek first God’s kingdom and His righteousness and all these things will be given you as well. “
          And with your article, Noah was told to build the ark by God. Has God told you to store up food on earth for any hard times? Or had He revealed it to you like he did to Joseph?
          And the 10 Virgins example you use from Matthew 25 is about the 2nd coming. We present day Christians will be raptured at least 7 years previous to this event. The ‘oil’ is the holy spirt, indicating there is no eternal security after the rapture.

          • K

            I am a Christian, and a prepper. Yes, I do feel that God has told me to put some supplies aside. And yes God should come first always. Preppers are for the most part, just going back to how things have been done throughout history. Only in the last few decades, has run to the store for everything, become the norm. Did not your Grandparents, like mine, have a root cellar? Or perhaps a few shelves of canned goods down in the basement? Do not get preppers, confused with survivalists, very different groups. I will continue to do what I can do, and leave the rest with the Lord. Be less concerned with what your Brother is doing. For you can not know, what the Lord has told him to do.

          • Hammerstrike

            Michael have been helping a lot of people, regardless of their religion might I add, you are trying to convince him to get in harms way for his.

          • Jerry C

            Thank God Joseph prepared for the 7 years of coming famine during the 7 years of plenty and not stick his head in the sand.

      • GiantM

        Ben, rapture will happen when the believers of this day have had their faith in God tested. There is noo easy out of this world. The gate is narrow for a very good reason. Matthew 7:13-23 explains this clearly as well as Matthew 25. Many will think they are ready but won’t be because they believed the “Once saved always saved” teachings. God wants a spotless Bride, not one riddled with lusts. There are many “so-called” Believers out there who have not overcome but have succumbed to their bad habits. But yet they are told that if they say a prayer they have a ticket to heaven…Not so my friend…not so.

        Paul instructs us in 1John 2:28 the following:

        “And now, dear children, continue in him, so that when he appears we may be confident and unashamed before him at his coming.”

        Living the Christian life is a daily work and battle when evil is all around us.

        So to say that we’ll be raptured before things get bad is not very prudent. Michael is a dear watchmen and brother in Christ for the blind to all that is happening around us. Judging him is not your call…it’s the Lord’s

    • Kim

      Where is Michael? I hope everything is ok.

      • JSB

        I know. Hope he’s ok.

  • 2Gary2

    Pro life scum bag conservative policies kill another person.
    “This 32-Year-Old Florida Woman Is Dead Because Her State Refused To Expand Medicaid”

    Conservatives are such hypocritical crap. We need to tax the wealthy to keep us healthy and to keep poor folks like this woman alive.

    conservatives are pro death.

    • aghast

      This is a Christian-Conservative website. Since you hate conservatives so much, why do you keep coming here??


      • 2Gary2

        I am trying to bring sanity to this conservative lovefest. Like fox neus if you only hear people who agree with you you are living in the conservative bubble where mittens won the election. I am trying to burst that bubble and introduce you to reality.

        • aghast

          If you knew what Reality was, you would tremble before the presence of a Holy God.

  • GaryA

    Michael, love your website. Although I may not agree with many things you say, it is well written and researched, pleasure to read and always stimulate thinking. Great job!

  • Wally

    Nothing since April 8th? Maybe Michael has packed up and implemented his exit strategy.

  • Nick

    To add to that, I heard this morning from a friend who owns a shop that Alliant will not be selling gun powder supplies to the public.
    This is an aside, but I think it plays into being prepared and understanding that things are going to be a lot worse than what Michael has talked about here.

    • Wally

      yea it seems like something big is coming. The sell off of stocks continued today. The Nevada Ranch standoff. Obama saying his biggest worry is a nuke hitting Manhattan. Something wicked this way comes.

  • Adrian

    There is a bit of a paradox in this libertarian philosophy. One the one hand, it supports the concept of free markets and businesses paying wages as low as they can get away with so they can increase profits. Yet, when these low wages no longer provide for middle class lifestyles, there is the complaint that people are not making enough money. There are only three options: 1) rely on the market to provide access to scarce resources, 2) allow the government to provide them, or 3) some combination of 1 and 2. Many people on this site vehemently oppose any and all government interference in the economy, which leaves us with option 1, and then the complaint about low wages and a shrinking middle class as corporations move to benefit themselves at the expense of labor. So, what is the solution?

    • GSOB

      Freedom and the invisible hand

      • Adrian

        So then we come full circle to the complaint about low wages.

        • GSOB

          That which gives also restrains.

    • The answer is to lower the entire overhead of society and business, so people can breathe free. Unproductive overhead is eating up more than half of our entire GDP.

      How do you do that? Better Management

      How do you do that? Start with getting the Country right with God, and follow the rules in the Bible. After that things will right themselves and the race to the bottom will reverse. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY.

      Google “FounderChurch” for more Teachings.

      • Adrian

        This does not solve the problem. Inevitably, even by saving businesses money in terms of lowering costs, the owners of the businesses see those savings as profits, and pocket the money. They do not necessarily use those savings to pay higher wages, as those are costs to the business. So far, nobody has been able to explain the solution to the paradox I posed. This is interesting.

        • Founder Church

          You don’t listen or read well and think too small and narrow. To full of yourself to learn.

          • Adrian

            Really? Then show me how your one-liners and religious babble have even remotely addressed my point above, much less solved them problem that I posed.

          • You are so closed minded and predisposed to your own bigotry that you are, in your present state, unteachable and unreachable. Enjoy!

          • Adrian

            And yet I am the one presenting critical thinking questions to which you are unable to respond to with anything other than one-liners and 13th century religious dogma. In raising my question I had hoped to spark legitimate thoughtful, reasoned discussion. As it turns out, that does not seem possible here. Others who read this exchange can planning see the one-sidedness of this discussion. I welcome others who are serious about taking on this liberal paradox to join in, something that you have been unable to do.

          • Founder Church

            Yes, you are a hated Liberal and must seek out others of your stripe to engage in mutual mental massage. You want others to accept your pemises.that lead only to YOUR. conclusions.

          • Adrian

            Uh-oh…are you going to burn me at the stake?

          • Founder Church

            No, I’ll just shun you and make fun of your ignoance. Others may burn you though.

          • Adrian

            Yes, we learned centuries ago that we mock what we do not understand. Your inability to understand or respond to the points I made speaks volumes to your postings here. Most people would not continue to broadcast this fact for others to see, and yet there you go, proudly ignorant. I take it all members of the Founder church are as bigoted, ignorant, and closed minded as you, their spokesperson.

          • Problem with you is you are quite young, and poorly educated, but think you are so smart. You’ll live to learn of your own ignorance and false pride. I am older and I won’t bother listing my degrees as I don’t believe in trying to win a argument by submitting evidence that cannot be checked out like things from personal lives. You are so proud of yourself to present your so-called paradox, but it is very very old news and has been written on and discussed for centuries. But you wouldn’t know about that.

          • Flounder

            Stay clear of debate with Flounder church … It is a waste of time and space. Gdon’t feed it!

          • Adrian

            Yes, I can see that! Flounder church…I like it! Perhaps his church does belong at the bottom of the ocean, LOL!

          • Adrian

            So does that explain your inability to counter my question? Your premise is wrong, in that I asked an open-ended question and called for serious discussion. If what you said were true, I would only be asking socialists like myself (I’m not a liberal) to respond. By the way, religions that espouse hate are not cool.

          • Gay Veteran

            LOL, 13th century religious dogma is very popular here

          • aghast

            Thus spake filth.

          • Adrian

            Your incivility for no reason makes myself, as well as all who see your post, conclude that you are the filth.

          • aghast

            Here’s the problem:
            Gay Veteran has been coming here to deliberately
            disrupt the posts. He has a long history of that. He doesn’t bring anything to the table. He doesn’t even post his own original comments. He just piggybacks on others’ comments and continually denigrates them for whatever the hell he feels like at the moment. This is to draw attention away from the main topic. He is here
            to distract, insult, badger, sabotage, deride… anything he can do to undermine the effectiveness of a conservative or Christian-leaning forum. He plays
            the troll from hell, and it’s by design. So I understand why you’d respond to me this way. I am not offended and don’t really blame you. Just wanted you to know the backdrop to all this, and of people’s ongoing frustration with such a deliberately negative, destructive person.

          • Gay Veteran

            looking in the mirror again, eh

          • FirstGarden

            Don’t give up yet. I think we have had a good understanding, and some of us can converse in a civil fashion. I’m not afraid of truth, even if it blew apart everything I believe. That’s what happened to me back in the 70s, and I’d do it again if it means more truth. That’s what’s kept me sane over the last 40 + years.

            I was born & raised a liberal. While I’m no lib now, I can appreciate the unique insights that occur time to time from anyone with honest questions and a good vantage point. I can only hope that they will take on the same objectivity and fearless soul search. That’s how truth is found.

          • Adrian


          • FirstGarden

            I did respond at length in another post. But for reasons unbeknownst to me, I got this message that my post needs to be approved. Funny, no red-flag words were used. Then it appeared this morning. So I edited it for punctuation & such, and it was flagged for approval again. Such are the gnarly twists & turns of Disqus.

          • Adrian

            That’s happened to me before and I have no clue why it happens.

          • libswillalwayssucktheobamacock

            ^ professional obama testicle licker

          • Guest

            You hypocrite! Shame!

        • gaygaryveteran

          you are a clueless dope

          • Adrian

            Wow, 5 words and not a single relevant point to my post. I think we can all see who the clueless dope is.

          • aghast

            Deeply enlightening. Thanks for nothing, chump.

          • libswillalwayssucktheobamacock


        • FirstGarden

          I like these kinds of questions. But, to find the right answers is done by laying down the right premises to begin with. Or by discovering them, as it were.

          Here on this earth, it always comes down the the real and the ideal. And people slaughter each other over these premises without defining them, or even acknowledging that they exist.

          The first premise involves the eternal value system, a moral sense of right & wrong.

          (Many object to this, while at the same time, denying their own core values, not sure where they even came from.)

          The first premise has its foundation in the revelation of a Benevolent Intelligence who manifested the universe from one spoken sentence — uni – verse.

          Accountability and judgement are powerful deterrents for wrongdoing.

          But the goal of our instruction is LOVE – love for God, and love for our fellow man — the two great commandments that all the law and the prophets hang on.

          This is the IDEAL world, and it’s not here yet. Thus the age-old prayer, cumulative across the ages – “Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth, as it is in Heaven.”

          The second premise is this present world with its temporal value system; a world NOT governed by love, nor the deterrence of impending accountability and judgement for the life lived on this earth.

          By and large, mankind has rejected Divine rule, revealed thru Divine Revelation. What’s left in the absence is a lot of self-centeredness, greed and hatred.

          Most of the fighting here is:

          1) people having expectations – coming from the FIRST PREMISE (the Ideal world)

          2) to be met IN THE 2ND premise (the real world),

          3) all while many are rejecting the foundation of the first premise.

          Because of human greed and selfishness, our ideal world, our utopia, the whole notion of equality is a passing pleasantry, at best.

          UNLESS, everyone (or even most people) decided to live BY the first premise, including that of God as its foundation. For without the governing wisdom and Love of our Creator, we always tend toward spiritual darkness. For darkness is not merely the opposite of light. It is the ABSENCE of Light.

          The reason for this long-winded explanation is to hopefully point out the reason why no one is answering your questions. Unless we acknowledge the roots of things, we’re all left with the outgrowths of different things waving in our faces, distracting us and obscuring the full truth of the matter.

          Then we carry on endlessly in arbitrary absolutes (or outright rejected) absolutes, subjective reasonings and relativistic arguments, not really sure which way is up or down.

          To answer your question, there is no magic formula to make man unselfish in market, or noble in the greater economy of things.

          The old school ethic (what little of mans’ better side we DID see), is now increasingly disappearing, along with his rejection of his core values, which came from God.

          This is why God and religion (hopefully the genuine article and not just man-made religion) keeps coming up within the questions of values, ethics and mans’ dealings with one another.

  • rockhopper

    Michael, we are reading your blog, you are helping more people than you realise. Thank you.

  • GSOB

    Jack Kelly is teaching as a charlatan.

    There is no ‘meat’ there. Dispensational theology is not
    ‘meat’… it is barf.

  • Blitzkrieg

    The worst thing about ‘prepping’ is that you are likely going to have to fend off people like Gary and Gay Veteran as well as other numerous leeches from society who stood by and mocked you the entire time it took to get to the point of disaster. These same people also brought it to this point.

    • No, giving them their just deserts is the good thing about prepping.

    • ian

      not going to happen within our lifetime, so chill out and quit thinking less of your brothers and sisters, because you choose to by into fear propaganda, and other see reality for what it is.

      • gaygaryveteran

        please continue to lick the liberalcock

    • Gay Veteran

      sorry, Einstein, but I prep

      • aghast

        Sarcastic dirtbag, sitting in his chair wasting away, and taking as many down with him as he can.

        • Gay Veteran

          awwwww, mommy needs to change aghast’s diaper again

          • AGHAST

            God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual
            impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.
            exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served
            created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

            26) Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.

            27) In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their

            Romans 1

      • libswillalwayssucktheobamacock

        bet you have cornered the market on lube

        • Gay Veteran

          nah, but your mommy does

          • AGHAST

            1) The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed
            down with his face to the ground.

            2) “My lords,” he said, “please turn aside to your servant’s house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the

            “No,” they answered, “we will spend the night in the square.”

            3) But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they

            4) Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom — both young and old — the house.

            5) They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have s e x with them.”

            6) Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him

            7) and said, “No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing.

            8) Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do
            anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.”

            9) “Get out of our way,” they replied. “This fellow came here as a foreigner, and now he wants to play the judge! We’ll treat you worse than them.”

            They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door.

            10) But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door.

            11) Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door.

          • Gay Veteran

            awwww, does Polly want a cracker?

  • DJohn1

    I think we are looking at the coming economic collapse wrong.
    Looking behind the scenes, it appears the entire thing is planned. There are no coincidences.
    We, the common people, need to look closely. We need to ask the right questions in the halls of Congress.
    Since Watergate, we have been told to follow the trail of money. I agree with that.
    As far back as I can remember, we have people conspiring in the U.S. Congress. The agendas vary. Like stealing all the land from the Indians in the West and doing very shameful genocide of entire tribes of Indians.
    The most common excuse is: “It is for your own good.”
    Entire agencies of government are based on that excuse.
    I suggest that just like the American Indian that trusted in treaties that people in Congress had no intent of fulfilling, the average American is the latest victim of their policies.
    So Prepping may or may not do anyone any good.
    The idea behind all of this is that the average person be dependent on government to survive. Pulling the plug on that survival is only a matter of time.
    I smell tactics that have been government policy for a very long time and part of that is to make sure we are all dependent on government.
    Part of that depends on Insurance statistics. An entire science of statistics exists. It does not predict individual things. It predicts massive population trends very accurately.
    One of the hold outs for this dependence is anyone that is independent of government and that includes a whole bunch of small farmers.
    Just who is behind a lot of this? I suggest we know the answer to that because no attempt has been made to keep it secret. Gentically altered foods come to mind. Pesticides that destroy entire ecologies. Automated cruel farming techniques that lead to Mad Cow Disease. Get the picture?
    I suggest that this is all planned. I suggest that no one will be allowed to be independent of the Government controls anywhere in the near future.
    The key here is zoning. Government agencies coming in and taking control. Laws that keep people from making a living. Strict control of information.
    I suggest the “government” will keep preppers from being successful. And that is the “belling of the cat” and that is what has to change. How we might do that, is anyone’s guess.
    “Humpty Dumpty had a great fall. All the king’s horses, and all the king’s men, could not put Humpty Dumpty back together again.”
    I say within the next 6 weeks, this plan of government will cause the fall of most of the banks of this country. Then the government will step in with martial law to control the chaos that insures government control of everything.

  • GSOB

    The ongoing economic collapse is augmented by the ongoing, increased violence in our government run public school systems.

    The decay of society is a reflection of it’s value system.

    Eventually… all Godless obstacles will collapse… even those schools….

    • GSOB

      “To each parent, I say, no one loves your child as much as you do. Homeschool as much as you can while it’s still legal, because the child who is well-raised by the people who love him or her has a much better chance at happiness and success.

      For God’s sake — and I mean that expression literally — a child is supposed to be raised by people who love the child! What could be more obvious?”

      – Maybury

  • thoomfoote

    If you are an individual “prepper” even with 10’s of thousands of rounds of ammo and many guns you will not survive as an island. Only as part of a community will you be able to survive the roving masses who want what you have. That old saying, “No man is an island” is even more true during a crisis. Get to know your neighbors, invite them to dinner, share stories and info. You are a fool if you think you can “survive” alone.

  • gaygaryveteran

    gary is a f’ing fool zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzwubwubwubzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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  • Katherin Keegan

    I am a prepper and have not/am not able to do most of the financial prepping you listed. My family is one of the fast disappearing middle class that is being beaten down by taxes. I believe I represent those who want to do more prepping but can’t afford it. We know the cliff is getting closer but are unable to move off the grid or prepare like we want to. Please don’t get discouraged. Your site is being accessed by people like me. I am reassured that I am not paranoid by knowing there are others who are willing/able to speak out and sound the alarm. Thank you for being there.

    • Orange Jean

      Well, remember that getting know how is also prepping. A lot of things that would help you survive an economic collapse have not much to do with money… you can ask for help from “old timers” things you don’t know how to do … it would be good when talking to an older person who has some know how you don’t already have to offer in exchange for helping them with something they have difficulty doing.

      A real plus in prepping by adding to your knowledge and skills is – NOBODY can steal it from you!

  • Colin

    For myself, an economic collapse is less threatening than an environmental, nature or human-made, catastrophe. More people have died in the latter than in the former.

    I don’t think as a society that we are prepared for what is coming. Whatever comes, it will be a bottom-to-top affair, with it starting with the marginal and poorest and escalating until it envelopes the centermost and wealthiest.

    • Orange Jean

      I agree with most of what you said… however, in some ways I think the poor could be more resilient to an economic collapse than the wealthy. Why? Because the poorest among us have already figured out how to survive on next to nothing… they have strategies for making do that rich people have never had to develop. Remember, not all poor people live on handouts – there are plenty who have too much pride to ask for charity… or who keep that to an absolute minimum.

  • JAY

    as far as economic collapse, possibilities can be broken down- inflationary collapse, deflationary collapse, martal law, riots, cyber attack, outbreak of disease

  • B

    Luke 12:24,28-31

  • Schlomy Gefiltafishstein

    I was a prepper. I had to leave the country for 10 days, and when I returned EVERYTHING I owned was stolen. Including the buildings my things were in. I cannot recover from it!

    • libswillalwayssucktheobamacock

      check gary’s closet

      • aghast

        You won’t find the Bible there.

  • Gay Veteran

    Polly want a cracker

  • Gay Veteran

    Polly want a cracker?

  • GSOB


    I remember you.
    Now that you got that off your chest.

    How’s life?

    Read any good books lately?
    Seen the movie Noah yet?

    How’s the weather out in your neck of the woods?

    • Catalin Oancea

      Spoken like a true heretic. What next, are you going to assume I read the lunatics Ruckman and Richling too, just because they use the KJV to spread their demonic doctrines?
      And you aren’t actually telling me that, I don’t care what is your opinion in regards to anything. You are trying to influence those that read because you very well know I won’t listen to a word you have to say.
      May the Lord Jesus Christ reward you according to your works. If they be evil, may you be consumed by His wrath and made a public example of His judgment; if they be good, may He abundatly bless you and cause great increase in your household.

      • GSOB

        Thanks for praying for me.


        A fine example of the grace in your soul.

        Anything else?

    • FirstGarden

      Well, we have versions, inversions, reversions, perversions, revised versions & reversed visions, expository & devotional, prophecy bibles, red letter, pulpit, pocket, New World, Old World, New-Testament onlys, O.T. onlys, Messianics, messy antics, transliterations and paraphrases, dynamic-equivalents, American, English, New International, Greek interlinears, Strongs, seminaries, cemetaries, commentaries, dictionaries, lexicons & other cons.. ad infinitum ad nauseum.

      My fave version is the Living Reader Version.

      • GSOB

        As long as you study it…,
        I trust the Lord will dispense of His gifts as He sees fit, in all Wisdom.

  • Spy#1

    Looking at all of this, I don’t really see how anyone will survive if there is a total collapse. If you don’t have a large offshore bank account, a passport, and a timely warning, you are doomed. Shortly after the collapse, I foresee a very nasty civil war starting along racial and ethnic lines. Thank you Ted Kennedy for making the U.S. a third world immigrant haven.

    • FirstGarden

      Not Ted Kennedy, dead Kennedy.. not even Marylon Manson. It’s the dark side in all of us that brought this about, with each sad event occasioned by one party or another.

      • Spy#1

        Borders, Language, and Culture. That has all but completely disappeared from this country. The main issue is that the people that will bring on the collapse will have a safe haven when all is said and done. The rest of us….

        • FirstGarden

          Gotcha. I love Michael Savage too. Notice, I didn’t say “like”. lol. And I enjoy the whole 10 minutes I can stand listening to him. 🙂

  • 2Gary2

    We Americans simply like to think of No. 1 and that if we have more than
    others then we deserve that “more”! The idea that poor people “deserve”
    to be poor or don’t work out of choice is ridiculous. Do read a book
    called “The Other America” written in early 1960’s by Michael
    Harrington. It could have been written yesterday – it is so in tune with
    the way America is today.

    I suspect that B.Obama was a fresh Chicago lawyer discovered by billionaire
    Penny Pritzker and groomed by her and her
    conservative friends and fully supported to
    become POTUS to further the conservative
    program in the US. He has done everything
    they wanted. With Clinton, Bush, Obama, and
    Hilary to come, they’ll have tied the bow. Wo
    is us.

    • FirstGarden

      “We Americans simply like to think of No. 1 and that if we have more than others then we deserve that ‘more'”!

      In the broader perspective, all nations think this way. (Regardless to political ideology, human selfishness prevails in one form or another, and the cream rises to the top.) We just have had more resources, more blessings bestowed on us from our Benevolent Creator. So more is expected of us.

      “The idea that poor people ‘deserve’
      to be poor or don’t work out of choice is ridiculous.”

      I think most poor folks would rather work and have the dignity that goes with it. But in fairness to the truth, some DO NOT work.. out of choice. I’ve met several of them. (Some rich don’t work either.) Life is full of mixture. Please be careful not to paint life with a broad brush.

    • Drud

      Yes, we are selfish. The obvious solution is to make laws against selfishness and enforce them under threat of pain and death with a massive militarized government? What can possibly go wrong?

  • There is no such thing as prepping for what’s coming.
    You will either be lucky in the spot you happen to reside or unlucky.
    Any thing else is a fools folly.

    • Wally

      I agree. The people that bought condos in the old missile tubes in the mid west, unless you live there now how will you possible get there when the shtf?

  • skacutter

    oh yes…christian religion has saved us all. PLEASE!! religion is one of the biggest evils in the world today!!

  • libswillalwayssucktheobamacock

    I need a new article, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

  • Always tomorrow

    No new articles in days. Does this mean economic collapse has come to this website? 🙂

    • FirstGarden

      Does Michael have no right to take a break?

  • wally

    I think Michael has executed his exit strategy. Maybe a sign to the rest of us.

    • Bill

      Might be right. Let’s start a new topic.

      Try this: CNBC seems to be part of the elite propaganda machine with their constantly changing, confusing and what I see as bs headlines meant only to delay the mother of all collapses. A few minutes ago it was something to the effect of Nasdaq’s best turnaround in 5 years. Has anyone else read this and felt immediate confusion?

      • Joe Kleinkamp

        Speaking of CNBC, they bring on analyst after analyst each with a view that contradicts the last. When one is eventually right about something they say, “Like we predicted last week” this or that happened. Think about this: if you have a stock you want to sell high would you be telling everyone else to sell? No, you’d tell them to buy. If you wanted to buy low you might be telling everyone else it’s time to sell.

        • Bill

          Thanks for your interest and understanding. This is is part of the plan of psychological warfare to destroy America. But, it gets worse. Watch for my next post concerning the ring that the imposter never removes from his finger.

    • FirstGarden

      Dudes, don’t a lot of you skip much of the article and go straight to the comments?
      That’s where the real fun begins.

    • Always tomorrow

      I agree. I think his strategy was to invest in site vendors and now he has cashed in and is on a beach laughing and counting the money people spent on prepping supplies.

  • Lesley Mackin Huhn

    i am thinking I better get a few chickens and a cow just in case!!

  • Mike Smithy

    Welcome to Obamaville.

  • Priszilla

    Hi Michael, what’s happening in Ukraine? Is the CIA trying to start WW III with Russia after America didn’t get permission to bomb Syria?

    • Dmitriy Gaydukov

      No, i think they want to use Ukraine as a bargain with Russia. So Russia will get Ukraine and USA will get Syria.

  • Hammerstrike

    Have you had any weird accident?

  • 2Gary2

    in bill after bill give tax cuts to the rich, adding to the tax burden
    of the middle class and poor to pay the 1 percent’s way to overseas tax
    shelters and villas, and on top of it off, suppress the vote of those on
    whom the burden mostly (and unfairly) falls.

    Gallup’s annual Economy and Personal Finance poll reveals, “a robust majority, 61%, believe that upper-income people pay too little.”

    This is why conservatives are going down hard.

    Tax the rich hard and spread the wealth.

    • robert h siddell, jr

      Comrade, before you just take everything others have earned until we look like Cuba, Detroit or Zimbabwe, get out of your free house, etc, and at least grow a garden.

      • 2Gary2

        dawg-no one said take everything. That is your fogged mind making things up. Turn off fox hoss and think.

        • robert h siddell, jr

          When the welfare queens need more, more… when/where will you stop stealing? You won’t…

  • Bill

    CNBC: “Up 100 points because of Yahoo”. Bulls***!

    Time to stop this psyco-warfare.

  • Bill

    It was recently stated that there are more people receiving assistance than there are women who work. Since there are now about the same number of men as women who are working it would appear that our economy is being “steered” in the wrong direction by the libs and their handouts.

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  • Stixie

    First of all, there is the belief in pre-tribulation or post-tribulation Rapture. If Jehovah did not spare Jesus from the torture stake, nor the disciples from their deaths, and 1st Century Christians from the lions, neither will he spare today’s Christians from the Great Tribulation. It is not until the battle of Armageddon at the Great Tribulation’s end that true Christians will be taken b/c there will be a complete and absolute slaughter of those that remain.
    Jehovah said NOT to put your FAITH in man, weapons, food, silver/gold, because only He can deliver us in the end (though that does not mean that you cannot Prep).
    The Great Tribulation = the Great War, Famines, Pestilence, Earthquakes, Volcanic eruptions, Tsunamis, Meteorites and Death [How does anyone believe that they are going to survive this Period without Jehovah?]

    • GSOB

      Great Tribulation.

      The phrase “Great Tribulation” appears in Matthew 24:15 and Revelation 2:22; 7:14. In both of these contexts this tribulation period is tied to the first century, because it is in “this generation” (Matt. 24:34) or “must shortly come to pass” (Rev. 1:1; 22:6) because “the time is near” (Rev. 1:3; 22:10).

      The great tribulation speaks of the devastation overwhelming first century Israel and resulting in the destruction of her Temple during the Jewish War with Rome.

      It is a divine judgment upon the first century Jews for rejecting the Messiah (Matt. 23:37-24:3).

      In other words…. The Great Tribulation is fulfilled.

      In dispensationalism, the Great Tribulation is extracted from its contextual time constraints and placed in the distant future after the Rapture of the Church and just before the Second Coming of Christ.

      It becomes a seven year period of trial for the Jews that will witness the rebuilding of the Temple, the arising of Antichrist, the destruction of two-thirds of the world Jewish population, but finally witness the conversion of the Jewish remnant who will welcome the Second Coming of Christ to deliver them.

  • GSOB

    My favorite book out of the Scriptures.

  • SchoeneTante

    If everything collapses, how will having health insurance papers and a list of your meds and help you, exactly? A stockpile of actual meds will be of much more use.

  • Indubitous

    Please. Now replace ever “illegal” with colonist (yes, those colonists) and you’ve got yourself a REAL, true complaint…

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