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22 Facts About The Coming Demographic Tsunami That Could Destroy Our Economy All By Itself

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TsunamiToday, more than 10,000 Baby Boomers will retire.  This is going to happen day after day, month after month, year after year until 2030.  It is the greatest demographic tsunami in the history of the United States, and we are woefully unprepared for it.  We have made financial promises to the Baby Boomers worth tens of trillions of dollars that we simply are not going to be able to keep.  Even if we didn’t have all of the other massive economic problems that we are currently dealing with, this retirement crisis would be enough to destroy our economy all by itself.  During the first half of this century, the number of senior citizens in the United States is being projected to more than double.  As a nation, we are already drowning in debt.  So where in the world are we going to get the money to take care of all of these elderly people?

The Baby Boomer generation is so massive that it has fundamentally changed America with each stage that it has gone through.  When the Baby Boomers were young, sales of diapers and toys absolutely skyrocketed.  When they became young adults, they pioneered social changes that permanently altered our society.  Much of the time, these changes were for the worse.

According to the New York Post, overall household spending peaks when we reach the age of 46.  And guess what year the peak of the Baby Boom generation reached that age?…

People tend, for instance, to buy houses at about the same age — age 31 or so. Around age 53 is when people tend to buy their luxury cars — after the kids have finished college, before old age sets in. Demographics can even tell us when your household spending on potato chips is likely to peak — when the head of it is about 42.

Ultimately the size of the US economy is simply the total of what we’re all spending. Overall household spending hits a high when we’re about 46. So the peak of the Baby Boom (1961) plus 46 suggests that a high point in the US economy should be about 2007, with a long, slow decline to follow for years to come.

And according to that same article, the Congressional Budget Office is also projecting that an aging population will lead to diminished economic growth in the years ahead…

Lost in the discussion of this week’s Congressional Budget Office report (which said 2.5 million fewer Americans would be working because of Obamacare) was its prediction that aging will be a major drag on growth: “Beyond 2017,” said the report, “CBO expects that economic growth will diminish to a pace that is well below the average seen over the past several decades [due in large part to] slower growth in the labor force because of the aging of the population.”

So we have a problem.  Our population is rapidly aging, and an immense amount of economic resources is going to be required to care for them all.

Unfortunately, this is happening at a time when our economy is steadily declining.

The following are some of the hard numbers about the demographic tsunami which is now beginning to overtake us…

1. Right now, there are somewhere around 40 million senior citizens in the United States.  By 2050 that number is projected to skyrocket to 89 million.

2. According to the Employee Benefit Research Institute, 46 percent of all American workers have less than $10,000 saved for retirement, and 29 percent of all American workers have less than $1,000 saved for retirement.

3. One poll discovered that 26 percent of all Americans in the 46 to 64-year-old age bracket have no personal savings whatsoever.

4. According to a survey conducted by the Employee Benefit Research Institute, “60 percent of American workers said the total value of their savings and investments is less than $25,000”.

5. 67 percent of all American workers believe that they “are a little or a lot behind schedule on saving for retirement”.

6. A study conducted by Boston College’s Center for Retirement Research found that American workers are $6.6 trillion short of what they need to retire comfortably.

7. Back in 1991, half of all American workers planned to retire before they reached the age of 65.  Today, that number has declined to 23 percent.

8. According to one recent survey, 70 percent of all American workers expect to continue working once they are “retired”.

9. A poll conducted by CESI Debt Solutions found that 56 percent of American retirees still had outstanding debts when they retired.

10. A study by a law professor at the University of Michigan found that Americans that are 55 years of age or older now account for 20 percent of all bankruptcies in the United States.  Back in 2001, they only accounted for 12 percent of all bankruptcies.

11. Today, only 10 percent of private companies in the U.S. provide guaranteed lifelong pensions for their employees.

12. According to Northwestern University Professor John Rauh, the total amount of unfunded pension and healthcare obligations for retirees that state and local governments across the United States have accumulated is 4.4 trillion dollars.

13. Right now, the American people spend approximately 2.8 trillion dollars on health care, and it is being projected that due to our aging population health care spending will rise to an astounding 4.5 trillion dollars in 2019.

14. Incredibly, the United States spends more on health care than China, Japan, Germany, France, the U.K., Italy, Canada, Brazil, Spain and Australia combined.

15. If the U.S. health care system was a country, it would be the 6th largest economy on the entire planet.

16. When Medicare was first established, we were told that it would cost about $12 billion a year by the time 1990 rolled around.  Instead, the federal government ended up spending $110 billion on the program in 1990, and the federal government spent approximately $600 billion on the program in 2013.

17. It is being projected that the number of Americans on Medicare will grow from 50.7 million in 2012 to 73.2 million in 2025.

18. At this point, Medicare is facing unfunded liabilities of more than 38 trillion dollars over the next 75 years.  That comes to approximately $328,404 for every single household in the United States.

19. In 1945, there were 42 workers for every retiree receiving Social Security benefits.  Today, that number has fallen to 2.5 workers, and if you eliminate all government workers, that leaves only 1.6 private sector workers for every retiree receiving Social Security benefits.

20. Right now, there are approximately 63 million Americans collecting Social Security benefits.  By 2035, that number is projected to soar to an astounding 91 million.

21. Overall, the Social Security system is facing a 134 trillion dollar shortfall over the next 75 years.

22. The U.S. government is facing a total of 222 trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities during the years ahead.  Social Security and Medicare make up the bulk of that.

So where are we going to get the money?

That is a very good question.

The generations following the Baby Boomers are going to have to try to figure out a way to navigate this crisis.  The bright future that they were supposed to have has been destroyed by our foolishness and our reckless accumulation of debt.

But do they actually deserve a “bright future”?  Perhaps they deserve to spend their years slaving away to support previous generations during their golden years.  Young people today tend to be extremely greedy, self-centered and lacking in compassion.  They start blogs with titles such as “Selfies With Homeless People“.  Here is one example from that blog…

Selfies With Homeless People

Of course not all young people are like that.  Some are shining examples of what young Americans should be.

Unfortunately, those that are on the right path are a relatively small minority.

In the end, it is our choices that define us, and ultimately America may get exactly what it deserves.

  • Rodster

    Hey kid, if you like your low wage part time Taco Bell job, you can keep it.


    • Eric Quintero

      In a few years even THAT will be a lie 😛 lol

      • tom

        Robots/automation will take over those jobs.

        • MlR

          But what will be considered meat to Taco Bell by then? Eeek!

          • El Pollo de Oro

            “Soylent Green is made of people.”–Charlton Heston

  • callmecordelia1

    I worry about my parents more than myself. They are baby boomers, and I guess I’m “Gen X”. I’ve known since high school that social security and medicare wouldn’t be around when it was my time to retire. Even as a young kid I could figure that out. So I haven’t been counting on it at all. My parents’ generation were promised it would be there, and they believed it and of course have paid into it their whole lives. My dad was a public school teacher for 40 years, so his retirement depends on the state government staying solvent. I worry. They’re smart and they have planned ahead, but it’s still pretty shaky.

    • Sam

      Hi callmecordelia
      Like you, I’m very concerned too about my parents well being…Especially after believing the Gorvernmnets and the money system would look after them, in their twilight years and now the people are realising how corrupt the whole system has been…
      If it’s any encouragement the only thing you could do is look after yourself, so you can assist them, in their time of need…
      Like people have been saying gold/silver is one of the best investments you could look into especially silver…Thats only my opinion, but there’s so many benefits to this precious metal…Particularly in these troubled times.
      But to make good judgements in any investments you need financial education.
      So I encourge you to keep educating yourself so you don’t fall into the same trap as our parents…Any way good luck to the future and never stop learning .

      • callmecordelia1

        Thank you for the encouragement and advice. I appreciate it! I definitely try to keep myself educated. I’m also trying to shift my way of thinking and just be happier with less. From what I’ve seen, the happiest people in the world don’t have a lot of “stuff”. I think one of the keys to surviving and thriving is a positive attitude. But maybe that’s just the “Pollyanna” in me. 🙂

    • AngelQ

      Cordelia – thankfully my mother is a “saver” and has amassed a serious amount of money for retirement so I don’t really worry about her. If she hadn’t been so frugal, I would be worried like you are (and rightly so). As for my generation (and those following), I too always knew we would not have social security or any other program that retirees rely upon. Anyone under the age of 50 (even 60) who believes that Big Government will be able to take care of them when they hit retirement age is sorely misguided. It isn’t about politics, it is about simple math and the wild spending of our government (and not just this administration). We are in the red, we won’t be able to sustain this spending for too much longer, and the system will break in the future. Anyone who sees this needs to act accordingly and rely upon themselves. Everyone else that isn’t paying attention is going to be in a lot of trouble. It is not a bright outlook at this time…

      • callmecordelia1

        You’re right– not a terribly bright outlook. I’m glad your mom has planned for the future. That must be a load off your mind.

        • AngelQ

          @Cordelia – All is not lost. What is happening is many families are starting to pool resources and help one another. Extended families are living together to take care of each other or they living nearby in order to keep an eye on their elderly family members or sick relatives. This is the situation I am in right now. It isn’t easy, however, I would rather take care of elderly relatives rather than warehouse them in a nursing home while the state/government takes all their assets or drugs them into oblivion. The one characteristic about human beings is their ability to overcome, adapt and even thrive in the face of adversity. Don’t give up, solutions will come, think outside of the box. God Bless…

          • callmecordelia1

            Very true. We need to go back to how it has been done for hundreds and thousands of years. Families take care of their own. Thanks so much for the insights!

          • laura m.

            Women that have to go to work need to get in home care for a parent or parent spend down like w/my mother, then the parent can get on medicaid in a nursing home if they are incapacitated where they need 24 hr care and have to be watched (stroke patients, dementia, terminal cancer, etc).

      • Barack H, Obama

        Your mother should be more social and share with the masses.

        I would like to see other retirees also being able to access that money.

        • AngelQ

          After working hard for it and sacrificing all her life, I don’t think so. She wasn’t born with a silver spoon embedded in her southern orifice. Just plain hard work, and doing without when everyone was spending like drunken sailors.
          Nice Try, Devil’s Advocate… 🙂

        • guest

          Like obumbler said… She didn’t earn that !

          • WillMan1

            Wasn’t it “you didn’t build that”?

            Evidently he stole this line from (now) Sen. Elizabeth Warren.of MA?

        • grintch

          Sure. Go down to the ghetto and give some of it to the po’ folk.

          • WillMan1

            ….from “Obama’s stash”.

            I can’t believe that anyone seriously believed that Obama would actually be helping people from his own personal “stash” of money!

            And don’t get me started on the “Romney Sucks!” woman who was raving about her ObamaPhone and other Obama-goodies. Good grief.

            Is this really what your country has become?? (I’m Canadian, btw, but we probably will be where you are soon enough 🙁 )

    • americalsgt

      Social Security is not a sweetheart deal. I paid in for 50 years because I was forced to. In that time I got 0.0% interest on my money, and now that I am 66 and getting some of it dolled out to me, they tax me again on what they give back. No one in there right mind would ever sign up for that unless required to do so.

  • art simpson

    Baby boomers aren’t going to figure out anything. Everybody thinks the people are in charge. They’re not. The federal reserve and Illuminati are in charge and they are trying to get rid of everyone. The above financial scenario can only be resolved by eliminating the “worthless eaters”.

    • Drud

      While I agree with your statement with regards to the fact that a few control the many at the current time, I must point out that this need not be the case. First, the masses ultimately do rule, we just need a little courage and need many, many more of us to wake up. Second, these groups are not supernatural, they possess no special insight or character or malevolent prescience that is often attributed to them. They are simply spoiled addicts. Period. They are on a power trip that will end badly for them and unfortunately, the masses will be used to break their fall. They will cause a lot of damage, but they will fall sooner or later.

      • Eric Quintero

        Death is the ultimate equalizer. I cant think of any person on Earth that is immune to fire or bullets.

    • davidmpark

      No killing.

  • Veronica

    The baby boomers are going to have to fund their retirement and medical costs themselves. No way around it.

    • Mondobeyondo

      The early baby boomers have it made in the shade. It’s the middle boomers (born after 1957) and the subsequent generations, who are in serious trouble.

      • Sack man

        Those middle boomer will be inheriting a lot.

        • 1stworlder

          Not with the death tax

          • Gay Veteran

            what death tax???

          • 1stworlder

            they estate tax. Isnt that why gays are fighting for marriage so they can get the spousal exemption on the estate tax? When you die all your assets are considered your estate. Obamacare is pushing all low income onto Medicaid that take money from your estate as well.

          • Gay Veteran

            and what % of estates actually pay an estate tax?


      …and how will they do that? Throw in another 30MM immigrants willing to work for nothing and you have Apocalypse Now!

      • 1stworlder

        Reality is those 30MM immigrants are taking more taxpayers money then they will ever contribute. Maybe we shouldn’t have gotten so many immigrants from 3rdworld areas since IQ is mostly genetic.

        • Eric Quintero

          They may take more tax money, but the overall contribution to society can be measured by the overall diminished costs of labor.

          If you take California for example it may be true that migrant workers are a Two Billion dollar tax burden, but if you offset this by the income they generate, you’re looking at roughly $78 Billion in profits.

          And ultimately the companies that employ those workers need to pay taxes on that $78 billion.

          The film “A Day Without A Mexican” is a clear representation of these facts.

          White culture conveniently likes to forget that slave wages are the reason food prices are so low in this country.

          Start paying white people to do the work. I guarantee food prices will quadruple (at least).

  • Tim

    What is going to happen? I mean, because of the Federal Reserve’s Zero Interest Rate Policy (ZIRP), which is not likely to end anytime soon, Social Security benefits are the only income that many senior citizens have. Interest income on savings used to be a significant source of income for many senior citizens. That plus Social Security (and often a pension) used to provide a comfortable retirement for many. Those days are rapidly disappearing.

    Those of us born after the Baby Boom generation are on our own. Our “golden years” are going to be lean…..if we live that long. 🙁

    • Rodster

      That’s why the system is doomed to fail. Those who are set to take care of the baby boomers and can’t find a good job or DON’T have a job, can’t feed the system.

      When you have so much youth unemployment, low wage part time jobs the system the central planners have created will implode. As you know it’s basic math 1+1=2.

      Our central planners tend to think that 1+1=12. That’s why any major economy that is built around the idea of infinite population growth so that the young pay into the system always collapses. Because at some point you hit the “growth ceiling”. Like we are seeing around the world.

    • none

      GOOD NEWS Tim:
      They will be able to receive a “golden shower” from the government.

      Maybe if there lucky, a 223 hollow point bullet that they have been storing.

    • Anon

      With social security cost of living raises based on the phony inflation statistics put out by the federal government the purchasing power of people who depend on it will decline substantially.

  • K

    Actually I do not think there will be any social security shortfall at all. Between GMOs, fukashima radiation, contaminated food sources, and too many other things to count. I do not think it is the Governments intention, to let all that many live long enough.

    • AngelQ

      Agreed, K. Human herds are being culled on all sides. I wish more people understood this instead of keeping their heads in the sand…

      • Eric Quintero

        They’re soft killing all of us.

        And with 2 Billion Hollow Points they may begin killing us the hard way.

        • K

          Only in the mostly unarmed cities. In the country side, they will start with an MRAP with a belt fed grenade launcher. And work their way up from that.

          • Eric Quintero

            Folks in the country have the benefit of ghillie suits and sniper rifles.

            There was a sniper in Iraq that killed something like 109 US Personnel. And he lived in the city.

            Resistance is very possible.

          • Richard O. Mann

            Resistance it futile. You will be assimilated. Maybe being a Borg would not be so bad. HA!!

      • K

        Anymore, a large majority of the people can not handle the truth. Anything more than mildly unpleasant, they refuse to deal with. I think we can agree, what is coming is way past mildly unpleasant.

      • John

        The unaware are unaware they are unaware. Prep accordingly.

        • AngelQ

          Sometimes ignorance is not bliss. (I like your comment, btw, I may have to use it…)

        • AngelQ

          John is this your original quote? I do wish to use it, but I want to give the proper person credit. Thank you.

  • James

    As a millennial I agree young people today are even worse than their parents. They should absolutely not have any children of their own. However, the Baby Boomers can not be excused they have really taken all of the social programs for themselves and not been responsible in there person lives as they started the concept of making divorce commonplace. Yes, they did not save and in the last 20 years of so wages have been to low to save.

    The things boomers have done to themselves is awful. They have caused themselves to rely solely on a social security income of 15k to live off of. Additionally, with the unemployment crisis it is hard for them to get jobs at their age. Things are not good for anyone but the very wealthy and those with pensions.

    • AngelQ

      I do agree with you that some baby boomers did not save for their retirements. That was a mistake on their parts. On the other side of that coin, I do know many elderly people that did save but had their accounts raped by people like Bernie Madoff and similar ilk. Unscrupulous white collar criminals wiped out pensions and savings of those that saved for decades; my stepfather and great uncle fell victim to this scenario. Neither one was trying to become uber-rich, or even rich, they were just doing what they were counseled to do by some bank schmuck and lost their retirement because of it.
      The other problem is people are living longer and the amount of money that was paid in by a baby boomer isn’t enough to cover how long they will live.
      What is the solution?

  • Drud

    What must happen and what WILL eventually happen is simple: people will realize that money is not real. Money is simply an agreement. The wealthiest and most powerful people on the planet recognize this and use it to their advantage. Money, at it very most basic level is simply a receipt for labor done. Once the financial and commercial systems collapse followed rapidly by governments, we will realize that, hey, we can still do the work, we can still make everything we need (not everything we WANT mind you), we can simply cut the governments and the banks out of the loop and live free and determine our own course through life. Again, this WILL happen . . . eventually. The questions are: how long will it take? and how far will we fall? and how much will we suffer during the transition?

    • Rodster

      Money in it’s basic form is referred to as “fungible”. It’s simply a way to exchange goods or services in a common way.

      If you need a piece of lumber and the person who wants to trade only has a cow. If you can’t use that cow then you can complete the transaction.

      When you use money in a fungible sense it represents a way to allow any type of transaction to take place because the payment is the same.

      • Rodster

        If you can’t use that cow then you CAN’T complete the transaction.

      • Drud

        The term fungible actually refers to the concept of full interchangeability. One dollar is the same as another. I was not speaking to this concept, nor to the definition of money as both a medium of exchange and a store of value. I understand these definitions, but they are not the basis. The question I often pose is this: what is the fundamental difference between rocks and gravel? Simple, gravel you pay for and rocks you do not. Why? I know this is a vast simplification, but complexity is also one huge problem with our financial and banking systems.

    • Mondobeyondo

      Real money is gold and silver currency. They have value. The entire world knows they have value.

      Those Federal Reserve Notes in your wallet or purse are not money. They are debt, masquerading as “money”. The only value they truly have, is what the U.S. government says it has. It’s a faith based monetary system. The only thing the dollar is currently based on is the good faith of the American people and foreigners.

      Our foreign investors used to love investing in America. (Winner of World War II, enormous superpower, first to land men on the moon, etc.) These days – our overseas creditors are beginning to lose faith in the U.S. dollar (debt obligations that will never be repaid, etc.) They – China, India, Japan and the rest – are not stupid. They know what’s really going on.

      • face

        but guess what those which have the majority of gold and silver are criminals.

      • Drud

        Again, while silver and gold have had value for thousands of years (so much longer than any paper currency, of course) they still only have value if people desire them. In other words, this is still simply an agreed upon medium of exchange/store of value. Now, I am not saying this is a bad thing, in fact, money makes society function, and a sound currency allows society to function well. Unfortunately, no major currency in use today is sound.

        • Mike Smithy


        • Gay Veteran

          gold and silver have no counterparty risk, in other words you “print” gold and silver

      • Mike Smithy

        Well stated. Federal Reserve Notes are representative of fiat currency and should not be confused as money. It is essentially baseless and subject to easy manipulation .Real money has a store of tangible value. That’s the reason I have always been a fan of physical gold and silver. Although there is strong evidence to suggest that gold and silver prices are presently being manipulated lower by the shadow banking industry, this is a short term anomaly. I predict that the mechanisms of true price discovery will be unleashed very soon.

        • kfilly

          What makes things like gold and silver valuable? People in the inner cities were stealing Tide detergent and using that as a form of currency. The people should all work to screw the elites by switching to alternate forms of currency, and we should ditch everything they hold near and dear in the process.

          • Mike Smithy

            The historical record of mankind has taught us that tangibles such as gold and silver have desirability and are thus valuable. Planet earth has a finite supply of the aforementioned metals and are difficult to mine. Conversely, it would appear that the Bureau of Engraving and printing have a nearly endless supply of toner and paper. Although Tide detergent is a tangible with perceived value in a barter economy, it is not as rare as gold and silver.

          • kfilly

            The question I asked about gold and silver being valuable was rhetorical. However, things are only valuable because people believe they are valuable. Like I said in my previous post, people have to reject what the powers hold near and dear. Don’t support their system or play their game.

          • Gay Veteran

            silver has many uses in industry, medicine, etc.
            gold is rare

          • Gay Veteran

            “…Conversely, it would appear that the Bureau of Engraving and Printing have a nearly endless supply of ink and paper….”

            our money is not worth the paper it is NOT printed on

    • TooLittleTooLate

      Usually what happens is you have a Napoleon or Hitler figure come fourth and promise all kinds of change… bread and circuses and a restoration of our former glory…. the figure and the movement will be a freedom crushing/authoritarian movement and almost 100% of the time, a LOT of people die.

      • Mike Smithy

        Like Obama’s mantra of “Hope & Change” and his stated agenda of “Fundamental Transformation”.

    • Richard O. Mann

      Real money is food, water, shelter. When the entire system shuts down, and it’s pretty much every person for themselves, those 3 will be the cause of all the violence that follows.

      • Drud

        Agreed, Richard. I believe the priorities for prepping are: 1) basic survival needs, 2) security 3) energy 4) wealth preservation. The first is comprised of food, water, shelter. Then some method of protecting oneself and one’s family, not necessarily just guns and more guns. Energy often gets overlooked, but part of shelter is heat and part of food is cooking, these require energy in some form, plus some basic electrical power and some reserve for transportation. Finally, when I say wealth preservation most people immediately jump to gold/silver, which are fine, but in a world where the currencies lose all their value, anything tangible will have value. When stores are no longer open, things people buy with little to no thought now, will become immensely valuable. There is a line in The Book of Eli where Denzel says: “People use to throw away things they would kill each other for now.” Hopefully, it doesn’t get that bad.

  • A Dodgy Bloke

    Well for starters many of the retirees especially those with chronic health issues wont survive, what’s coming. I know that’s cold but it’s the truth. Economic collapse has happened or is happening in a number places in the world. If you want to know where you’re going look at where others have been. That will give you an idea on what’s to except, and how to prepare.

  • GSOB

    When you become a senior citizen,
    you can’t help but stick up for one.

    It’s great more people are living longer.
    (and longer).

  • EconomyTrap

    Im disturbed that this article is saying its the younger generations responsibility for the Debt, and other obligations. The gazilliones of Baby Boomers sucked this nation dry of all its greatness…Boomers are the generation “Me”. They are the most “brainwashed” gen in history of this country. They are the most selfish disgusting gen that ever lived in this nation. They started the break up of the modern day family, they are the messed up 60’s drug generation. They are the first to set the ways of liberalism. They are in the upper echelons of government , media, education, and business today, and yet point fingers at everyone else the countries problems of today. They will not leave the workforce either, because they never saved. They consumed on and lived off of debt more than any other gen, and now want the their kids to bail them out? They stay in the well paying job slots, preventing the youthful, hungry, eager types to take their positions and thrive. Boomers are not only sucking the system dry, but are jogging slowly in front of the younger generations, preventing them from sprinting and thriving. I’m 30, and last year paid $about $5800 in SS and Med to support the Boomers. I’m so pissed, get these boomers out of here already!!! Leave so this country can thrive. It was the younger gens that followed Ron Paul, and want freedom and liberty, young ones are the libertarians of today. Boomers are what stopped Ron Paul from getting elected, and are what is preventing the Libertarian movement from really taking off.

    • Rufus T Firefly

      Your idiot generation overwhelming supported Obama who thinks social security is the greatest thing since canned beer. You young’ins deserve the wage slavery you are getting.

      • Eric Quintero

        False. My generation is very aware we’re getting royally fck’d. None of us want Social Security.

        This perpetual rape of my generation makes me very angry. Perhaps this is why such little respect is given towards the older generations. We know we’re getting buried and theres nothing we can do to stop it.

        Respect is a two way street, my friend. If the older generation realized that sooner, rather than using us as slaves then perhaps we wouldnt be so careless and cruel.

        The older generations went to school and got good middle class jobs. The same opportunities werent there for me.

        My options when I was 18: Join the Marines to pay for college and possibly die, meanwhile wasting 5 years of my life in s h i t hole military towns and in Afghanistan.


        Go to school have fun and accumulate anywhere from $80-200k in debt.

        The possibility of death seemed better than perpetual slavery.

        • madd worker

          if it wasn’t for the boomers you wouldn’t have 3/4 of the reality you live in. If you don’t want it give it back! take control of your own economy.

          • Eric Quintero

            I dont want it. Thank you for owning up tho.

            Ive come to know that the two things I love most in this world are skateboarding and helping people. I dont really need money. Information is a human right and information should be free. Food should be free. Energy should be free.

            We’re at the point where we can actually begin to accomplish these things.

            The very notion of profit is sickening. Because where there is profit there is also disparity.

            I am not a communist and do not support communist ideals. I am a Christian first and foremost.

            I believe in giving. With the power of Aquaponics we have the power to feed MASSIVE amounts of people with virtually little effort.

            This will give us more time to pursue the things we truly love: Art, music, sports, science.

            Working for profit and money and stuff only leads to greed and hunger for power.

          • Eric Quintero

            I just want to add something real quick:

            In regards to information, one can pretty much learn everything on the internet nowdays.

            One of my friends spent 4.5 years getting a degree in “neuroscience.”

            I did not go to school, instead I read books and magazines on neuroscience. After living with him for a year it became apparent that I knew much more than he did on the subject…

            The school system is a scam. You’re just paying for a sheet of paper. A Fiat degree, if you will.

            We’re past the point of needing to capitalize on information. Most of it is free at this point.

          • Gay Veteran

            “…Working for profit and money and stuff only leads to greed and hunger for power.”

            you didn’t see filthy rich CEOs back in the 50, 60s, or 70s, UNLIKE today

        • AngelQ

          There is a way to take control of your destiny and that is to be very careful of whom you believe and who you vote for. Take that a step further and run for public office yourself. Take over your own destiny and be the change. Obama sold your generation out, no offense, but he did. I didn’t vote for him, yet, I’m a little older (not a baby boomer) and been around the block a few times. There was something about him that didn’t ring true and now I know why.
          You are the generation behind mine, you guys can stand up and change the world if you choose to. It won’t be easy, but nothing worth doing ever really is. Take the anger and make something positive out of it. Do it now before it really is too late.
          All is not lost, God Bless…

          • Drud

            I’m sorry, Angel, but voting can no longer make the slightest difference. We have a 2-party system and both sides have been corrupted beyond redemption. It is far too late to work within the system.

          • Eric Quintero

            Yeah I actually met an older gentlemen (53) who works with a PAC in my town. With my background and ability to speak to people he suggested that I run for office.

            However, campaigning usually takes about two years. I really dont think we have that much time.

      • AngelQ

        What you wish for another, you wish for yourself.

  • Eric Quintero

    My generation is so fragmented and splintered. I often find myself relating more with the Muslim kids that are coming here from abroad than I do with the consumer-driven and perpetually inebriated kids of America.

    I also find myself relating more with middle aged white men than I do with just about anyone.

    My retarded generation has fallen for the trap: Become your own God. Make Bank. #YOLO SWAG.

    • gfmucci

      I can’t think of any two things more opposite than young Muslim immigrants and old white men. I am an old white man and know dozens of other old white man and trust me, young Muslim immigrants are no old white men.

      • Eric Quintero

        You’d be surprised!

        The muslim kids that I keep meeting have work ethic, morals, dont drink and have a very strong belief in God.

        I cant say the same for white culture around here.

        White kids have an attitude of entitlement that is so strong they wont even take minimum wage jobs. Ive met many whites who have never worked a day in their life! And they’re 20, 21, 22 years old….

        • 1stworlder

          Muslims consider leeching off benefits to be Jizya the jihad seekers tax.

    • Gay Veteran

      Jesus Christ on a raft, as if gay neighborhoods has ANYTHING to do with Chicago’s problems

  • xander cross

    The picture at the end says it all. This is the future with white kids that don’t respect their elders.

  • GSOB

    Let’s take it from the top:

    “A baby boomer is a person who was born during the demographic Post–World War II baby boom between the years 1946 and 1964, according to the U.S. Census Bureau”

    • AngelQ

      The Grand Culling…

  • Backdoor Barry

    I’m sending gary a bill when I retire. He’s greedy and selfish, his money should belong to me.

  • toadsticker

    Our federal government spends 1 trillion more than they take in every year. Our state, county and city governments pay their employees well above what the same jobs pay in the private sector. Public employees don’t have to save for their retirement, they retire in their late 40’s and 50’s at 80% to 90% of their last years wages (I know a guy that bought 10 years and retired at the age of 39 in the city of Flint. Another guy bought 19 years for $62,000 and retired at $90,000 per year pension.) and get health care the rest of their lives. Then when the local government is broke and the pension fund is short the courts rule that the people have to pay. Did we vote for this? I don’t think so. We work at the pleasure of our public employees, to give them a good life. We are being raped by our governments, from the federal level to the village level.

    • steve

      I agree with this to an extent, however these are mostly union backed positions. Not all govt workers have unions, especially in the southern states. Here in SC all have state retirement plans, but they are nowhere near 80-90% payout. More along the lines of 50%. And most govt positions start anywhere from 28-35k per year. My mother retired after 40yrs as a public school teacher and her last years she was making around 55k. Still not bad considering today’s economy, but nothing like some of the craziness in the big cities and such. Thank goodness she at least has this to fall back on. I’ve seen many her age working in the department stores and often wonder if they are doing it out of boredom or because they need to eat.

      • toadsticker

        First of all, I have nothing against the people that get the huge pensions. Teachers have a tough job. 50% is more than most people get in the private sector. About six months ago a lady told me about her friend who had a public job. Her friend told her, “We start low, but we get our raise every year and we finish high.” Just two days ago a guy was telling me that his wife, who was a state worker, was taking home more in retirement than she was when she was working because she didn’t have taxes deducted. How many have a guaranteed income higher in retirement than they had while working. This guy is a retired city road worker and his wife is a retired state social worker. They have an Escalade, a Corvette and a Camaro. They are in their 50’s, take multiple vacations and never have to worry about running out of money. My dad was an optometrist and he was very frugal. He retired at 64, had to pay for his insurance and had to squeeze everything he could out of what he had saved before he died.

  • Nicnak

    Save for what? Usa $? It s just some paper which will worth nothing tomorrow.

    • squashpants

      I would be happy to take your worthless paper money, Sir. Let me know if that is good for you, and I will supply an address.

  • Peter Blood

    Too many seniors? I think that’s what the Obamacare TotenGruppen are for.

    • AngelQ

      Ah, the Death Panels. Well, the Mainstream Media said they didn’t exist so it won’t happen. (heavy on the sarcasm)

  • Jimbo

    And this is how all PONZI schemes end. When there are not enough people paying in to support those in receipt of benefits. I worked in the UK for a company that had a generous funded final salary pension scheme. However, with productivity improvements and cost cutting, the company was employing fewer people so less were paying into the scheme. At the same time, retired people were living longer and draining more funds. The scheme had to be wound up and this scenario repeated all over the UK.
    It is no different with state schemes. You need a 100 people paying a dollar a week to provide one person with $100 a week (or variations of that ratio).
    The other thing to consider will be the impact on house prices. Many people consider their home to be their retirement fund. Downsize or sell up and rent and use the equity to live on.
    But who will buy the houses? The young don’t earn what the retirees earned when they bought houses 20 or 30 years ago.
    Logans Run anybody?

    • Eddy

      No, you’ve got that wrong Jimbo, the folks who worked hard and PAID their dues into these schemes, believed they were saving for their old age, it was their politicians who betrayed them and spent their money, I wonder why there is not similar vilification vented against these the biggest perps for todays situation ?

      • Jimbo

        Eddy, that is how the state system works in the UK. You pay a percentage of your wages into the state scheme (called national insurance contributions).
        I have 30 years worth paid in but the entire scheme is unfunded so in fact my pension will have to be paid from the taxes on future workers earnings. With fewer people working and earning less for doing so, I can’t see how this will work?
        I also have a private pension with my ex employer but that was practically wiped out by the GFC.
        I am not due to retire for fifteen years and to be honest, I don’t expect to receive anything much from either the state or private systems. The simple fact is that changing demographics make it impossible for the current systems to continue for more than a few more years.

        • Eddy

          Jimbo, thanks for the heads up on this situation in the U.K. However I don’t understand the bit about paying in to the scheme for 30 years, then you sat the scheme is unfunded.
          What do you mean by that ?
          Here in Ozz, I too paid into such a scheme for 30 years, however here they actually INVESTED those funds on behalf of the susbcribers, thus you could watch your investment grow. We were also allowed to contribute money into the scheme whenever we felt we had surplus funds, which would then ensure higher returns at pay out time. The scheme did take a hit with the GFC, which ensured some folks could not retire as they planned, and had to work a bit longer to make up the shortfall. I also took out two super schemes with an Insurance company, these were als hit hard with the GFC, but they did give me a return, even if it was simply the funds I invested with a small dividend.
          I don’t believe folks should trust their state or federal authorities with any such schemes as they can be milked dry by politicians whenever they like, then they turn around and claim there’s no money for your retirement. The bastards should be hung from the nearest lamp post. I notice there’s always sufficient funds to cater for ever politicians retirement, nothing is ever said that there may be insufficient funds for them, yet doesn’t that money come from the same place as ours is supposed to ?
          I believe there is a concentrated attempt to destroy any and all such retirement schemes all over the World, how else can anyone explain the attacks against the elderly in nearly every English speaking country, if they are not co-ordinated ?

          • Jimbo

            I am in Australia and I have a super fund like you. Your employer pays 9% on top of your wages into a managed fund or your choice or a self managed fund, The value of the fund when you retire is yours.
            In the UK, it is a 10% tax on your wages plus an employer contribution. It goes to the government with all other taxes and it is not invested on your behalf.
            All you get is a “promise to pay” which is whatever the government of the day decides it will be when you retire.
            It is what economists call an “unfunded liability”.

  • Sack man

    Which is why immigration is important. Many illegals yes. Their majority of their children will contribute to the economy and our society. I continue to be amazed how you all have no faith in the greatest country in the world. One thing I am concerned about is how African Americans in general contribute nothing to society after all these years.

    • Jimbo

      Immigration is can kicking. Yes we have more workers now with immigrants but todays worker is tomorrows retiree. The problem just moves down the road a few years.
      The basic issue is that growth (whether economic or population) is not progress although we have been led to believe that it is.
      We can’t continue to grow the economy at 3% pa forever but if we don’t, the current economic paradigm doesn’t work.
      We need a new system and soon.

    • Eddy

      The greatest country in the World ?
      How can that be, when I’ve read all these posts on here say something totally the opposite.

      • Sack man

        It is the greatest country in the world.

    • 1stworlder

      Illegals might seem smart compared to blacks but they still take more than 10 times the amount of taxpayer dollars than they can contribute. IQ is mostly genetic, that’s why the US was 90% white and able to have men walk on the moon when all the computing power in the world was less than currently resides in a smartphone, but now NASA cant leave orbit.

  • Quagmeyer

    Well they won’t post my last comment so let me tone it down. Basically I said the young today don’t care anymore because everything is so far gone due to our great overlords in the federal government. We need a collapse and a restructuring. Until then why waste our time being a dumb slave.

    • Eric Quintero

      Im in school right now on the GI Bill. Really Im just going through the motions and collecting the gov’s money.

      I cant take school too seriously when Ive seen all of my friends go through it and are now considering going back since they’re still working for $10/hr.

      My friends that are actually making money are working in the trades. Im about to jump ship and get my welder’s cert.

      Skills, not lambskins will get us through this. Sadly, many of my generation have only developed the skills to roll good blunts and drink an ungodly amount of beer.

      High school and College have taught them nothing.

      A part of me welcomes the collapse. Until then, Ill keep preparing.

  • davidmpark

    “Unfortunately, those that are on the right path are a relatively small minority.”

    YAY! I’m in an exclusive minority of those doing their best in life!!!

    … wait… AW #$%&!!!

    We still have a chance at being a nation again. I believe most folks would do it with the right example. Wanting that to be case; mostly to save lives and thrive. Need a community to thrive, mush less survive. Wanted to have a good culture and society for my family to grow up in, for the kids to be independent; to grow up with great experiences of pioneering and exploration; to have a family of their own and do a better job at it than I could.

    This is what was prophesied in Matthew 24:

    “1 For I say unto you, that ye shall not see me henceforth and know that I am he of whom it is written by the prophets, until ye shall say: Blessed is he who cometh in the name of the Lord, in the clouds of heaven, and all the holy angels with him. Then understood his disciples that he should come again on the earth, after that he was glorified and crowned on the right hand of God.

    2 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple; and his disciples came to him, for to hear
    him, saying: Master, show us concerning the buildings of the temple, as thou hast said—They shall be thrown down, and left unto you desolate.

    3 And Jesus said unto them: See ye not all these things, and do ye not understand them? Verily I say unto you, there shall not be left here, upon this temple, one stone upon another that shall not be thrown down.

    4 And Jesus left them, and went upon the Mount of Olives. And as he sat upon the Mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying: Tell us when shall these things be which thou hast said concerning the destruction of the temple, and the Jews; and what is the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world, or the destruction of the wicked, which is the end of the world?

    5 And Jesus answered, and said unto them: Take heed that no man deceive you;

    6 For many shall come in my name, saying—I am Christ—and shall deceive many;

    7 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you, and ye shall be hated of all nations, for my name’s sake;

    8 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another;

    9 And many false prophets shall arise, and shall deceive many;

    10 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold;

    11 But he that remaineth steadfast and is not overcome, the same shall be saved.

    12 When you, therefore, shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, concerning the destruction of Jerusalem, then you shall stand in the holy place; whoso readeth let him understand.

    13 Then let them who are in Judea flee into the mountains;

    14 Let him who is on the housetop flee, and not return to take anything out of his house;

    15 Neither let him who is in the field return back to take his clothes;

    16 And wo unto them that are with child, and unto them that give suck in those days;

    17 Therefore, pray ye the Lord that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day;

    18 For then, in those days, shall be great tribulation on the Jews, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, such as was not before sent upon Israel, of God, since the beginning of their kingdom until this time; no, nor ever shall be sent again upon Israel.

    19 All things which have befallen them are only the beginning of the sorrows which shall come upon them.

    20 And except those days should be shortened, there should none of their flesh be saved; but for the elect’s sake, according to the covenant, those days shall be shortened.

    21 Behold, these things I have spoken unto you concerning the Jews; and again, after the tribulation of those days which shall come upon Jerusalem, if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there, believe him not;

    22 For in those days there shall also arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch, that, if possible, they shall deceive the very elect, who are the elect according to the covenant.

    23 Behold, I speak these things unto you for the elect’s sake; and you also shall hear of wars, and rumors of wars; see that ye be not troubled, for all I have told you must come to pass; but the end is not yet.

    24 Behold, I have told you before;

    25 Wherefore, if they shall say unto you: Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: Behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not;

    26 For as the light of the morning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west, and covereth the whole earth, so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.

    27 And now I show unto you a parable. Behold, wheresoever the carcass is, there will the eagles be gathered together; so likewise shall mine elect be gathered from the four quarters of the earth.

    28 And they shall hear of wars, and rumors of wars.

    29 Behold I speak for mine elect’s sake; for nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

    30 And again, because iniquity shall abound, the love of men shall wax cold; but he that shall not be overcome, the same shall be saved.

    31 And again, this Gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world, for a witness unto all nations, and then shall the end come, or the destruction of the wicked;

    32 And again shall the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, be fulfilled.

    33 And immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

    34 Verily, I say unto you, this generation, in which these things shall be shown forth, shall not pass away until all I have told you shall be fulfilled.

    35 Although, the days will come, that heaven and earth shall pass away; yet my words shall not pass away, but all shall be fulfilled.

    36 And, as I said before, after the tribulation
    of those days, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken, then shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven, and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn; and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory;

    37 And whoso treasureth up my word, shall not be deceived, for the Son of Man shall come, and he shall send his angels before him with the great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together the remainder of his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    38 Now learn a parable of the fig tree—When its branches are yet tender, and it begins to put forth leaves, you know that summer is nigh at hand;

    39 So likewise, mine elect, when they shall see all these things, they shall know that he is near, even at the doors;

    40 But of that day, and hour, no one knoweth; no, not the angels of God in heaven, but my Father only.

    41 But as it was in the days of Noah, so it shall be also at the coming of the Son of Man;

    42 For it shall be with them, as it was in the days which were before the flood; for until the day that Noah entered into the ark they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage;

    43 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.

    44 Then shall be fulfilled that which is written, that in the last days, two shall be in the field, the one shall be taken, and the other left;

    45 Two shall be grinding at the mill, the one shall be taken, and the other left;

    46 And what I say unto one, I say unto all men; watch, therefore, for you know not at what hour your Lord doth come.

    47 But know this, if the good man of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to have been broken up, but would have been ready.

    48 Therefore be ye also ready, for in such an hour as ye think not, the Son of Man cometh.

    49 Who, then, is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

    50 Blessed is that servant whom his lord, when he cometh, shall find so doing; and verily I say unto you, he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

    51 But if that evil servant shall say in his heart: My lord delayeth his coming,

    52 And shall begin to smite his fellow-servants, and to eat and drink with the drunken,

    53 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

    54 And shall cut him asunder, and shall appoint him his portion with the hypocrites; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    55 And thus cometh the end of the wicked, according to the prophecy of Moses, saying: They shall be cut off from among the people; but the end of the earth is not yet, but by and by.”

    • Gay Veteran

      a waste of electrons by a bible parrot

  • Profiling

    Most of the time I find your lists to have some merit to them. This time I do not. While both my husband and I are considered part of this “group,” it is only because of labeling, or rather, profiling.

    Seriously. The number of elders are going to overtake the United States? They will take away the food from the grandchildren? Who has any choice in opting out of Social Security? To my knowledge, only clergy.

    Here is the truth from our perspective.

    1. We purchased our first house just before our wedding. We were 21 and 23 yrs. We didn’t move into it until after the wedding. We sold that house after six years and had a house built. It was the largest house we could afford with the largest property we could afford. It wasn’t large by today’s standards. We have never had a lucrative income, but we always lived below our means and eventually paid off the house.
    2. My college loans were paid off timely and quickly.
    3. My husband always worked 55 hours a week or more, and still does.
    4. We raised six kids who are all professionals, love God, and have good marriages. We have good relationships with them. We paid for all of their college (only). In cash. The schools were low cost at the time, and not well known, but were well chosen. It did not prevent those who wished to go to professional school or get another degree.
    5. They all had the opportunity to learn an instrument or two and four played all through college.
    5. We didn’t take a vacation in the sense that everyone else did. We took inexpensive day trips, paid for classical concerts when we could, went to numerous museums, and attended edifying exhibits. We had fun together.
    6. We have always had older cars. It was a savings choice. While this could be argued by some, had always been a good savings measure for us.
    7. We fix, repair, create and make. We both have large skill bases (as do our adult children). This has saved us a tremendous amount of money over the years.
    8. What does it mean to have enough retirement money to live “comfortably?” Does that mean living above one’s means?
    9. Our motto has always been to live frugally. We have saved a tremendous amount of money doing this and quite frankly, continue to do so.
    10. Neither my husband or I wanted to deal with Social Security. Being self employed, you get to the “opportunity” to pay double.
    10. Part of our health plan is taking charge of own health instead of relying on others to tell us what to do. We eat correctly, and have a gym membership.
    11. Both of us are life long learners and keep mentally active with challenges that have a steep learning curve.

    If the boomers forsook temperance and embraced consumerism, that is their problem. They will find out that “magical thinking” does not work soon enough.

    While there are some aspects of our life style that are not typical, there are many many boomers who do not fit the boomer profiling, either! There are plenty of us out there.

    Those who enter their 80’s and beyond, and who become feeble, are looked upon as parasites taking things away from others. Not only do they deserve to live and be respected as a person (no matter if you like them or not), but they paid taxes, paid their bills, got suckered into paying for health insurance, and provided for their families. When a society looks to the elderly as a burden and someone to get rid of, that country is definitely in the final stages of collapse.

    We know who the parasites are that take away from us to live like Jabba the Hut.

    God help us.

    • Stoosh

      Well said!

    • TooLittleTooLate

      I applaud you and yours for your life choices. I too am a “baby boomer” I was born in 1964.. the last year of the boomers and, my father did fight in WWII.

      Sadly, I find the article rings true. It doesn’t ring true to my personal life. I have savings and for now, a good job but, most boomers don’t have savings and most boomers are going to attempt to collect on the promises the .gov made to them. I’m not sure that’s even up for debate. After all, social security was paid into by these folks their entire life, why shouldn’t they collect it?

      The boomers as a collective have issues but, the larger of the problems are that the promises can simply not be kept.

  • Dave Jenkins

    I suspect many Baby Boomers will be moving in with a son or daughter to be able to survive…

    • Mondobeyondo

      Wouldn’t doubt it for a minute. Especially since so many 20-somethings are slill living at home with Mom and Dad.

      • Eddy

        And it’s Mom and Dad who come out on top, using their skills they’ve gained over the years trying to survive through depression and difficult times, something we FAILED to pass on to our offspring. BUT then my daughter flatly refuses to even try any of my suggestions which are all rejected out of hand as being redundant and old fashioned. Tell me again, how it’s all the elderly fault .

  • Rufus T Firefly

    We are stardust
    We are golden

    • Mondobeyondo

      And it’s time we got ourselves back to the garden

  • Mondobeyondo

    Back in the days of the Roman Empire, if you had a one ounce gold coin, you could buy yourself a nice toga, a decent pair of sandals, and still have enough left over to watch the chariot races.

    These days, if you have a one ounce gold coin, you can buy an Armani suit, a decent pair of dress shoes, and still have enough left over to watch a feature presentation at the nearby movie theater.

    That doesn’t work quite so well with paper money.

  • Mondobeyondo

    I’m curious as to how many of us are going to make it through. It’s one thing to say you’ll be self-sufficient, etc – but do you realize how difficult it is to raise a cow or grow food in a studio apartment?

    • Eric Quintero

      Ive been thinking about this for a while.

      We could start turning our indoor malls into farms. They’re not being used anyway, and many of them are built with massive windows for optimal lighting.

      We’re absolutely going to need community farms and gardens.

      • Drud

        Dmitry Orlov says much the same thing, but also mentions commercial buildings and college campuses. I mean think about it, how many companies out there are addressing real NEEDS? Companies who don’t will quickly be out of business. if these companies are no longer in business, will colleges still be needed to train people to do these jobs?

        • Gay Veteran

          Dmitry Orlov also pointed out that the USSR was better prepared for a collapse than the USA

          • Drud

            True, and while he has some solid reasons, I wonder whether it is true. Speaking of infrastructure he is spot on, but the question in my mind is the heart of the people: do the majority of people in this country still crave liberty in their hearts? When we stopped the gun-restriction legislation cold and when we stomped out the idea of going to war with Syria, I thought maybe there is enough of the old spirit of Independence left here. In the end, it will be the intangible things that will make the difference: courage, unity and a strong desire for liberty far outweighs s good public transportation system and the ability to garden.

          • Gay Veteran

            awww, but the Russians had endured decades of economic hardship

          • Drud

            Absolutely, making them far equipped to endure the hardships of a societal collapse, BUT also making them far less likely to throw down the oppressive government and build a new society based upon liberty. How could they desire something they never had? So, yes, many more people here will suffer worse than the people of Russia did in the Soviet Collapse, but perhaps, and this may only be a dream, we may be able to build a new, better society here than they were able to.

  • Mad Max

    Let me tell you the truth that awaits us all the younger generations…. We are all condemned to constant failure! What ever scheme we try to stay a float will end-up being paid in taxes for a generation that has abused… the land given by their ancestors… the dilapidation of culture for fashion… the destruction of life on Earth in order to enjoy commodities that eventually break down… and finally the probable destruction of common known science by masses of people who do not care about real consequences and acts only on rights and belief. We are heading to the 2nd Dark Age… an age of decay in which every structure of society will cease to exist until the natural world finds back it’s equilibrium. When that time (2nd Dark Age) comes Gods and Godesses helps us all because it gonna be Mad Max for real. You want to survive, learn to grow food for yourself and the 9 neibourgs around you because that all you will be able to do, NO ONE individually will be able to lead and save the world. It is already too late.

    • Eddy

      Maybe you should open a dialogue with your Cuban counterparts in Cuba, they do have some experience with this, and from what I’ve read, done pretty well with it too. I guess when you are between a rock and a hard place, you can actually get your brains cells functioning, doing what they have been designed to do, WORK IT OUT, instead of constantly relying on others to tell you how to survive.

  • Anon

    In a few more years I’ll be eligible for social security. I began to realize a long time ago that I would be a fool to depend on it. Anyone near social security retirement age who thinks that that 30 year old trying to raise his kids on $12/hour is going to feel sorry for that baby boomer or feel obligated to fund the promises that the baby boomers made to themselves is dreaming. Either you will see cuts in social security or you’ll be paid in worthless money. The medicare that I’ve paid into all my life will be an even bigger joke. Every baby boomer will soon be told ” sorry, our cost benefit analysis doesn’t justify spending all that money to keep you alive. Here’s some morphine and the name of a mandatory end of life counselor. Go home and die.”

    • AngelQ

      I am watching this happen right now as I care for two elderly in-laws. Life-saving medicine is being withheld but prescriptions for useless medication is given without argument to the one with Medicare. The other one has the best private insurance and is treated quite differently, given the best medications and doting care. It is hard to watch someone dying right in front of you knowing that one simple prescription written would change the life of that person. The ironic thing is the prescription this person needs is the cheapest medication of all. But they won’t give it to her and I honestly believe they won’t because they wish to just see her die off as she is no longer a productive member of society. She is a burden on the system in their eyes. This scenario is going to play out, more and more, as resources and money become scarce.
      I would encourage any and all to be as healthy as possible on their own.

      • Gay Veteran

        according to Karl Denninger, medical costs would drop by well over 50% if anti-monopoly laws applied to all aspects of the medical field

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  • meslippery

    Well the rich kids of instagram
    will have a lot of peasants to rule over.Get ready to grovel.

    • Eric Quintero

      Kidnappings will happen just like in 3rd world countries.

      The only groveling will be performed by the kidnapped hostages.

  • prestodo

    You’re definitely right about the young generation only having a few good eggs. I am part of that generation and consider myself a good egg and a hard worker, but recently I had a new co-worker, younger than me by 7 years try to throw me under the bus so to speak in order to make herself look good in the eyes of our boss, an act I have never nor never would do to anybody anywhere, and the amazing thing is that she claims to be a Christian… She evidently has no idea what that means.

    • FirstGarden

      You know a tree by its fruit.

    • Dotsie Watson

      You trust a self-proclaimed Christian??

  • prestodo

    The lack of money is only part of the problem in the overall equation. Labor + Time = Value which a portion of is then converted into Money/Currency/Fiat Currency. Debt is added to this equation in an effort to suck future value away from population segments. The problem with debt is that an infinite amount of debt can be created instantaneously whereas value is only created through the combination of labor + time. Too many morons out there who think that getting into any kind of debt, even so called “good debt” as Robert Kiyosaki labels it, is just wonderful so they create as much debt as possible to suck all the value and future value from people. Case in point….stay out of debt as much as possible and save. Also realize that retirement was an invention of the 19th and 20th Century America and the thought of a “comfortable retirement” was never considered practical before this time period. In other words, retirement is a fiction that was only perpetuated by the wealth flowing into the U.S. during our period of greatness. Other poorer countries during that time period and today still have no retirement, expectation of retirement, or concept of retirement. My generation needs to get with it and expect that they, along with the other 95% of the population of the world, will not be able to retire as people will still be responsible to feed and clothe themselves well into the future.

  • sam

    The only answer to our economic, social and environmental problems is a resource based economy proposed by The Venus Project. Everybody should research them.

  • Frank Bell

    The generations following the Baby Boomers will be VERY, VERY LUCKY.


    Because they will find a job FOR SURE – 110 %.

    And when people in the workforce become scarce, the wages go way UP.

    Nothing to worry, IHMO.

  • Kent Harris

    Read Isaiah 9 in its entirety. When 9/11 occurred God sent a message and that your days are numbered America.

    • Gay Veteran

      what, was god busy pre 9/11?

  • Libsare Ajoke

    where is gary? I need a good laugh

  • fedsisko

    Ignorance is bliss and the majority are ignorant. The Bank of Canada Act adopted in 1934 took control of the money issued in Canada from private banks back to the government and the people of Canada. Money was issued into the economy at almost zero interest and infrastructure like the St. Lawrence Seaway could be built. In 1974, Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau gave control of the creation of Canada’s currency back to private banks with interest. Canada’s debt remained stable for years until 1974 when it began to quickly accumulate do to the interest payments Canadian taxpayers were now required to pay to private banks. Sound familiar? This is exactly like the Federal Reserve scam in the United States. All that needs to happen in the USA and Canada is for the people to demand that the issuing of currency be taken away from the private banks and back to the government meant to serve the people. Unfortunately, most people say we can do nothing, there is too much corruption. In the United States you could have made Ron Paul your Republican Candidate for President to run against Obama. One of his policies was that he would eliminate the Federal Reserve. Jesse Ventura, the former Governor of Minnesota, said he might run as an independent candidate in 2016, if you get him ballot access in all 50 states and a guarantee to be in the televised debates. This is up to the American people to make this happen. He also says he would get rid of the Federal Reserve. There are options for Americans and Canadians if we speak up. However, as Edmund Burke said, “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing”. People do not care until they are personally impacted. Wait till this happens and then it is too late. Ask a person living in Detroit.

    • Stoosh

      Fedsisko, fellow Canuck here. I’ve often thought the same as you re: debt-based money issued by private banks. I believe that any politician that proposed government-issued, debt-free money would be speedily “accidented” into the afterlife. There’s no will by politicians to do it and no understanding of it by the masses. IMHO, personally preparing for possible bad circumstances makes more sense than expecting a change. As well, I think that a long, slow decline might be more likely than an abrupt change/reset. Best wishes my friend, and my American friends.

      • FirstGarden

        Same to you, Stoosh. You’re obviously not one of those smug Canuckians who look down their glasses at Americans, lol.

        I agree that, at this point of history and decadent moral/spiritual downslide of society, it’s wise to prepare.

        Back in the mid 70s, a great musical project came out, called, “If My People, which toured around the country. Even then, leaders were saying it’s too late for America; that “judgment begins in the house of God”, and we’re irretrievably on our way. I didn’t believe that then. I do now.

        When the cancer has spread that far, you have to cut it from you. Or in this case, you have to cut yourself from it.. the best you can.

    • FirstGarden

      I mostly agree. Unfortunately, presidents are packaged, marketed and sold. It’s all about “follow the money” these days. There’s huge money behind it, and U.S. presidents today are hirelings, not shepherds, so to speak. He who pays the piper calls the tune. They take their orders from the Big Money.

      Elite members from both sides of the aisle attend the secret meetings, and are beholden to world powers behind the scenes. The goose is already cooked. How do you uncook it? Nothing short of another Great Awakening can save America.

      Incidentally, any president who tries to abolish the FED is a recipe for another JFK, albeit, without the sparkle of Camelot.


    Up Jumped the Devil!
    What happens when Iran gets the Bomb?
    I think we are going to find out and we are not going to like it.

    • FirstGarden

      The ancient, regional, Persian prince rises again. The return of Jafar..

    • Gay Veteran

      quit wetting your pants over the Iranians. The U.S. is the biggest threat to peace in this world.


        How so?

        • Gay Veteran

          the U.S. is constantly starting wars, many based on lies (see Iraq, Syria)

  • Top Gun

    People pay into SS so the whole “burden” thing doesn’t work. And as to the “not all young people are like that” you live in america?

  • frank1569

    ‘Young people today tend to be extremely greedy, self-centered and lacking in compassion.’

    As opposed to the obscenely wealthy Upper Class, which tends to be extremely giving, altruistic, and benevolent. You know, like their best friends, Big Corporate People.

    No, seriously, it is amazing that a generation bombarded by the singular ‘greed is good, more is better, and accumulation of material possessions is happiness’ message 24/7 their whole lives would turn out to be a buncha greedy, self-centered a-holes.

    Who woulda figured?

    • Eric Quintero

      Very well said. Its really no surprise you get greedy, self centered a-holes when the model of success that we see is to win at all costs. Always drive down the bottom line. Make bank. Get p u s s y. Hustle, hustle, hustle regardless of who gets hurt.

      My HS has a heroin problem now. Its a cheap drug that everyone wants. Morals have been cast aside for money.

      After all, thats what we’ve come to value, right?

  • FirstGarden


    Tens of thousands of Dr Kevorkians
    Climb out of their graves
    And stagger down the streets of America
    With a ravenous hunger for the elderly..

  • AngelQ

    Dwindling resources, money and services will ensure that a clash between the older and younger generations will come to a head in the near future. What is the solution?
    Is it fair to ask the younger generations to pay for enormous medical costs for older people that are no longer productive in society? Is it fair to the older generations who paid into a system to receive nothing in return for their earlier investment (payroll deductions) in Social Security and Medicare? Why aren’t we angry at the Federal Government who recklessly raided Social Security? Why aren’t we holding their toes to the fire for carelessly running up the debt to 17+ Trillion Dollars? This isn’t an issue that is simplistic, they are several reasons why the system is in failure and implode mode.
    Bottom line that we are facing is these programs will go bankrupt in the near future. We cannot sustain the level of spending with the current tax base (which is dwindling), it is just not going to happen. So what to do? Death Panels? Withhold medications? Decide who is worthy of life and cull the rest? Anyone under the age of 60/50 will be allowed medical care, everyone else is told to go home and die? Anyone who is of frail health, regardless of age, needs to be culled? If you are poor, uneducated, undereducated, deemed unworthy by the state, all of these groups will no longer receive life giving care? If you can’t pay for it, you won’t receive care?
    Pandora’s Box has been opened by ObamaCare. What are the solutions? I fear that some of these solutions are going to be ones that people don’t like, didn’t want to see or talk about, but are coming to our doorstep whether you like it or not.

    • FirstGarden

      You raise some good questions, Angel.
      Society has already committed unconscionable crimes, such as yanking over 54.5 million babies from their mothers’ wombs.

      The first time I heard of euthanasia was in 1975. It’s definitely not a new concept. But it is one that will be implemented on a broad scale. Here’s some established facts..

      Euthanasia (from Greek: εὐθανασία; “good death”: εὖ, eu; “well” or “good” – θάνατος, thanatos; “death”) refers to the practice of intentionally ending a life in order to relieve pain and suffering.

      There are different euthanasia laws in each country. The British House of Lords Select Committee on Medical Ethics
      defines euthanasia as “a deliberate intervention undertaken with the
      express intention of ending a life, to relieve intractable suffering”. In the Netherlands, euthanasia is understood as “termination of life by a doctor at the request of a patient”.

      Euthanasia is categorized in different ways, which include voluntary, non-voluntary, or involuntary. Voluntary euthanasia is legal in some countries and U.S. states. Non-voluntary euthanasia is illegal in all countries. Involuntary euthanasia is usually considered murder. As of 2006, euthanasia is the most active area of research in contemporary bioethics.

      • AngelQ

        First Garden – Question is WHO gets to decide who is a candidate for euthanasia and who isn’t? I don’t mean to be a scare monger here, I just see angry people of all ages becoming more desperate as resources dwindle. One side is those not wanting to pay for the elderly, and the elderly demanding the care they paid for years ago through paycheck deduction. Our nation doesn’t have the money to cover everyone. What to do?
        And who gets to decide? In the beginning it may very well be the terminal patient and the doctor. But I can see that changing, I see it changing right now. I take care of an elderly in law who is not being given the medication she needs to sustain her life. For the life of me, I do not understand this callous act of her doctor. It reminds me of the stories coming out of the third world with limited medical supplies and having to choose who will live and who will die.
        BTW, I find it interesting that euthanasia is a more active are of research in bioethics. Just have an ugly feeling that many will face some type of non-voluntary euthanasia scenario if they cannot pay for medical care out of pocket. The government can’t subsidize it forever.

        • FirstGarden

          You’ve got that right! Let me quickly cover your questions, which are really good:

          1) Firstly, honest questions are not scare-mongering. Most folks just aren’t that honest; OR are too afraid to ask the questions you are asking. Most folks don’t even want to *think* about it.

          2) “WHO gets to decide who is a candidate for euthanasia and who isn’t?”

          Well, we’ve all heard of the “death panels.” Under the “Affordable” Care Act”, (in effect, G o v t takeover of private business, or the long anticipated socialized medicine), this comes down to a Statist exercise of authority, “for the sake of social and economic expedience”.

          3) “I take care of an elderly in law who is not being given the medication
          she needs to sustain her life. For the life of me, I do not understand
          this callous act of her doctor.”

          Well, in this case, we know it’s not the Pharmaceutical Mafia. That’s their wealth at stake. Perhaps someone is offering a greater reward?

          And if we think doctors are impersonal today, we ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

          Today they are little more than cogs in a wheel turning the wrong way.
          Before long, it will be, “Bon Voyage, ma’am.. nothing personal.”

          That’s the problem. There will be no more ‘personal’.
          No “shepherds to care for the sheep”, just paid hirelings beholden to the state to do their dirty work, and don’t give a rip about the human value, i.e., the people.

          • Gay Veteran

            insurance companies have “death panels” too


      • Gay Veteran

        who controls your body?
        You? Or the Government?

  • DJohn1

    The shortfall is abortion. How many children were killed? We have a less than zero growth population. So what is happening? The children of today are supposed to support the system. That is not happening and that is the downfall of children and older people everywhere.
    We basically warehouse the old in nursing homes when they become unable to take care of themselves.
    This is done by a communistic system. The system is that everything you ever earned or ever produced in the way of income goes to the government. Then you are put into one of these warehouses and the government pays the bills with Medicare for the first 60 days then Medicaid. Your house, your possessions, everything is taken by the government in return for your care.
    This is usually to the tune of about 4 times what they give you to support yourself on pensions and Social Security. It is not a good system.
    I have a sister-in-law with a slight case of mental incapacity. She was poor to begin with because of poor choices of marriage and divorce in life. That meant they gave her about $800 a month to live on. She was tested. She was put in a nursing home with a care-giver assigned by the courts and given about 40-50 dollars a month in her captivity in the system. (She is restricted from moving about freely by the system.) The government now spends approximately 4-5,000 a month for her care. She is not alone. Basically she is in a less than nice little room with one other person and she is basically jailed.
    The place is full of broken people that are now being given basically a pension of 4-5 thousand a month to house them in nursing facilities.
    But Social Security would only give her 800 a month to live on. The system is broken.
    It is a catch 22 of monumental proportions.
    Our government is full of Catch 22 decisions that on the surface are logical but if you look close they are what is basically bankrupting all of us.
    So what sense does it make to donate our lives to working when it is all taken from you when you age? Because that is what is happening everywhere.
    Your “intelligence agencies” are an example of this. They want to watch everything everyone does? Give me a break. That costs more per person than they will ever get from doing this kind of activity. Even with massive computers that is not really possible.
    Don’t think everyone ages at the same rate. We don’t. Some people are 90 at the age of 70. They have given up any intelligence and no longer are willing to learn new things at all. Basically they are sitting around waiting to die.
    There is a bell curve here. Some live to over 100 and still have a basic intelligence to learn new things every day. Others fold and are simply waiting around to die.
    I would suggest that our old people are a tremendous resource of experience and we as a people are not using those people to our best advantage.
    I knew at work a man in the early stages of memory problems. He worked with me. I helped him. I proofread his stuff for him and corrected a lot of it. He gave me access to his tremendous knowledge of our profession. Things I thought impossible he knew ways around and made us look better than anyone else in the company. He was failing. But his experience of 40 years was something I used and in return we both worked another 4 or 5 years beyond what was possible otherwise.
    Companies are ruled by corporate decisions. Those decisions no more reflect good management than people with no experience and college degrees, even master degrees. They totally dismiss experience.
    When I retired my company lost over 15 million dollars because I wasn’t there to keep things running on a basic production level. But I was old.
    I had a record of keeping things on track with good database management and computer skills that kept the company away from losing money on no-charge ads. When I left that skill left with me.
    I was paid as much as a middle manager even though I had no college degree. What I had is 40 years of experience in every aspect of the company’s business and I knew how to keep the mistakes from happening.
    I knew from experience short-cuts that no one else knew except other people old like myself.
    To this day, I read 3-5 books a week on any number of subjects. I am right now attempting to learn GIMP from the Ubuntu side. I am already fairly proficient in graphic arts. I am learning Adobe Photoshop Elements 9. It is about 3 editions behind the latest and greatest.
    My point is our culture discards people because they are old. I suggest that starting at age 65 most people need to feel useful. That it is a mistake to restrict what they can earn until they are 68 or 70.
    Things at rest tend to die. Things in motion stay in motion and live.
    I think we need to make use of the tremendous resources of knowledge of these old people and that is a mistake that is costing us dearly.
    A lot of them are not what they had been earlier in life. A lot of them could use the youth of today to pass on that huge amount of knowledge. There could be a trade off. That trade off would benefit both youth and old people.
    A lot of us babysit our grandchildren. A lot of us are home schooling them. That gives a lot of us motivation to be here for them 10 years from now.
    I repair and keep running about 4 older computers around the house for just that purpose. I am not young. I am currently 71.5 years old.
    I have no intention of laying down and dying for anyone.

    • Randall

      While I agree abortion is wrong you cannot say that having an even larger population would help support the system.


      Because technology is displacing people and less people are needed in the workforce today to do the jobs that once required 2-3 or more people. Automation and technology gives us convenience but also creates a problem for the American worker.

      This is one reason why labor is so cheap in China, India, etc. The over abundance of people creates so much competition that wages can be sub level and low and people take the jobs they can get. Basically supply and demand with people as the commodity.

      Of course if the greedy pigs in government did not put social security in the general fund that money everyone put into it would be growing with interest, etc and there would not be a shortfall problem.

      • DJohn1

        I mentioned abortion because before abortion those people would be by now paying into the financial system of the country.
        You are right about automation.
        The only answer I can see is a reduction in the amount of hours it takes to be full time. That is pretty much regulated at 40 hours right now.
        I suggest we go to a four day week at the same salary that people are now working for 40 hours a week.
        Future shock is inevitable when you have more and more efficient ways of producing with automation.
        We as a people need to protect our industry and our jobs from unfair foreign employment at half or less of our wages. Just exactly how that is going to be done with the horses out of the barn is going to be a forum of intense debate.

        The ramifications of people being put out of work by foreigners both here and abroad are breaking this country’s entire economic structure.

        That structure is entirely based on income revenue from taxes.
        That people in corporations and people in our government have allowed this is very questionable behavior. Some people would like to bring them to trial for treason.
        When any partnership with foreign interests becomes 85/15 in their favor then something is going to have to give. Just exactly what will bring it back to a 50/50 ratio is the real economic question of our age. This is not just us. It is just about every country with a middle class in the world. So it is going to be very interesting to see what happens next.
        Hopefully, it can be resolved in a manner that does not come down to war and the destruction of everything we hold valuable.

        • Gay Veteran

          “I mentioned abortion because before abortion those people would be by now paying into the financial system of the country…..”

          again, we don’t have jobs for the actual people we do have

      • Folks, it is Birth Control NOT Abortion that is doing us in. Read my posts to get an education.

    • FirstGarden

      John, that was very well said. And I’m sorry about your sister-in-law. Best wishes for her.

      “Death Row” is getting too overpopulated. Thoughts like “Time to clean house”, slither through today’s think tanks, filled with well-paid bottom-feeders.

      Of course, in the global picture, the problem is even worse. Paul Erlich’s best-selling book, The Population Bomb, gave dire warnings back in 1968.

      Most of the people who ever inhabited the earth, are alive today. More than all combined previous generations combined.

      Ted Turner had the colossal gall to say, “A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.”

      A 95% decline? Okay Ted.. you first.

      • Ted Turner is everything that is wrong with America. A Fascist at the least, and a Communist likely. I predict he will commit suicide like his father did.

    • davidmpark

      Dude, I hear ya!

      My wife has severe disabilities and the system is impossible.

      Excellent post, mate!

    • Your’s is the only post I have read that is even close to sane, but you need to get the rest of the picture. Search “FounderChurch” and join up.

      • laura m.

        I say have small Bible study/fellowship in homes, non 501c3 and independent of other org. religion. The country is trashed, so why join anything? stick to small groups of well known friends and relatives and prep. for a meltdown. All org. religions are 501c3’s and under gov. control..

        • Nothing wrong with small groups as part of a larger picture, but by themselves they are not going to save the cause of God and Country. Prepping is not going to save us either.

          For more on prepping see the FC essay titled Survival by FounderChurch, and search “FounderChurch” for the thousands of more teaching articles by “FounderChurch” or contact FounderChurch@gmail.Com

          • Dotsie Watson

            If we all pray real, real hard, maybe jesus will change his mind and make things better

    • Gay Veteran

      we don’t have jobs for the actual people we do have

      • DJohn1

        You are 100% right.
        All over the planet people are having the same problem as Industry moves to where the labor is the cheapest. Where I retired from there were approximately 30 college educated graphic artists. The newspaper laid them off and subcontracted the work to India.
        It sounds good on paper. Now a client that spends a lot of money with that paper might wait 8 hours to get an ad corrected if it gets corrected at all.
        At between 6-8000 dollars per full page ad that is a lot of money to spend and not get service.
        I have seen a decline in all industry and a lot of it is plain greed on the part of companies with no idea of the long term consequences. Nationalizing American businesses are going to be quite popular in the near future because the entire world is going through an economic storm and many businesses will go broke.
        Britain experienced a similar problem at the end of world war II when they couldn’t enforce their colonies not stealing their businesses away. Countries declared independence. Then they nationalized all the British businesses under their domain.
        There are buildings all over the former British Empire sitting empty right now because the same nations could net keep the places repaired. The parts were controlled by British companies so no one won that little economic war.
        My own thought is we need to go to a 32-hour/4 day work week and hire enough people to keep everyone employed. I think it is too late. I think this will only end when the entire system goes down.

        • Gay Veteran

          repeal all “fair trade” treaties

    • Dotsie Watson

      Most businesses today go
      by the rule “half the age at half the salary” and hire Indian or Chinese immigrants to replace the higher paid older workers.
      This is why things like the GM key fiasco, and burning batteries in planes happen

  • Eric Quintero

    I have a friend in my town that is determined to establish a synergistic community in Wisconsin that unites young, old and sustainable living under one roof. (Well rather, several roofs, really).

    DJohn1 makes a very valid point: Experience is invaluable. The youth of today are able bodied but have almost no discernible skills that actually benefit the real world.

    We need some guidance. The compartmentalization of our society and Boxing Old People up in Wait-to-die storage units benefits no one.

    Yes, we’re going to need help. My generation is lost and the oldest generation is dying. Along with their demise comes the death of skillets they had to navigate the world. Many of them saw the great depression or had parents who suffered through it.

    My generation has been raised by multiple “Me” generations. The problem of selfishness and greed is worse than ever now.

    Anyway, back to my point. We’re going to need to learn how to live in a sustainable way. Eco-Villages have been popping up all over the United States. Conscious and determined young people have already started moving away from money and trading their labor at these Eco-Villages for knowledge, experience and a place to stay.

    This model can and should be repeated as often as possible. If we incorporate the elderly into these communities, both sides would benefit.

    Young people would work the farms, and provide food for the community, while the elders would dispense invaluable knowledge and live a longer life.

    This is the model of the Tribe. We need to get back to Tribal Society at some level.

    This modern experiment of compartmentalization and competition is killing us. Spiritually and morally.

    • FirstGarden

      Okay, I’m packing my bags. 🙂

    • Now just add that missing ingredient called “MAKING BABIES” which I see you cleverly left out of your heaven on earth commune routine. Why?

      • Eric Quintero

        Man you’re annoying.

        You’re just like all the people that come on here after Michael posts about ONE of the problems we’re facing and then say, “But Michael, you forgot about OIL, or Michael, you’re a fool because you forgot to talk about how expensive ENERGY is, or what about China Harvesting Gold, Michael?? Why arent you talking about that??? You’re an idiot and you dont see the big picture!!!!”

        Making babies is very natural. Its so natural that we now have SEVEN BILLION PEOPLE on this planet.

        I cant tell if you’re retarded or blind.

        • I am only interested in Conservative Believers having children. I would hope for all Democrats, Liberals, and Secularists to be born sterile or to kill all their kids with Birth Control and Abortion. We need no children produced by Leftists, and you are clearly one, so kill away, and be blessed by me.

  • vitocaputo

    I found the most disturbing tidbit in this piece to be the “Selfies with Homeless People” factoid. Interesting… not one comment mentions “homeless”. Apparently… such endeavors are acceptable to those that bother to write comments. How sad.

    • How about lifeless children that are never mentioned.

      • Eric Quintero

        “lifeless children” is an oxymoron. How can there be a child without life?

        Ive read a lot of your inane rhetoric. You seem to forget that miscarriage is quite common within the first 60 days after conception.

        The pineal gland develops on the 60th day. The pineal gland produces “DMT: The Spirit Molecule.” After the 60th day, the rate of miscarriage drops off dramatically.

        Tibetan monks have been telling us this for centuries – the soul enters the body on the 60th day.

        Sperm is not a child and neither is the collection of cells prior to the 60 days after conception.

  • Donald Wilson

    Unfortunately there will be hundreds of thousands if not millions die due to corporations and various governments recklessness. Examples could range from substandard healthcare, tainted pharmaceuticals, tainted food and water and a host of various diseases (i.e., possible pandemics). The life ahead will undoubtedly suck big time.

    Bravo Two Zero out…

  • George Washington

    The money that should have been saved for SS and Medicare has instead been used for the military industrial complex. We have wasted the savings of a generation to funds endless wars and conflicts overseas.

    My grandmother is 92 and has been collecting SS for 25 years now. She has received way more then she ever paid into it. Those of us under 50 or so better get used to living in a third world country because that is where we are headed.

  • davidmpark

    So, the economy was altered for the Baby Boomer’s and the Gen X kids, right? A lot of legislation in all levels of gov. were added and changed to reflect and perpetuate this. Along with established businesses making their moves into these markets and new businesses coming in to fill the gaps… then we should be able to fix this again.

    Okay, I need to use different vocabulary; “altered” and “changed” are not the correct language for this: added upon is the correct phrase. We have the an inbuilt ability as human beings to create and build regardless of legislations and regulations. The natural laws (law of the harvest, natural laws of money, laws of physics, etc.) already exist and cannot be altered; we just compounded them with man-made rules to try and regulate the universe – that’s why we’re hurting right now. Those rules and regs were used to profit off the demographics temporarily for a minority of people. They weren’t written to work long-term for the nation at-large.

    Now, the way to fix this is to roll back the man-made rules that violate the natural laws. Many don’t really understand these laws and believe that nature is a harsh mother and is “unfair”. It is, to a point. Nature, and the natural laws, are meant to be used to MAXIMIZE; not cause rampant total chaos and death. Nature does need management by man (taht is why the good Lord said we have dominion over the earth, to till and care for it), but we cannot pass legislation to alter it; that’s impossible.

    So, use the natural laws to maximize our civilization. Return to the law of the harvest: prepare the soil and every needful thing, then reap what you sow. Rules and regs should reflect this by punishing those that steal from those who create. And punishes those who assault and murder; which violates every man’s natural right to life, liberty, property, and the pursuit of their own happiness.

    We cannot do it as a sudden shock; these laws and regs must be undone group by group. Give time to people to adapt and make plans. In that time, those things that moneys was wasted on can be paid off and lower the debts. A lot of the Feds would be reduced to Constitutional boundaries. The States and municipalities would then be free to build themselves up again by their own abilities and allow their local cultures to flourish again.

  • plato

    I feel like people are just here on earth to breed. Most are used by the 1% as slaves to enrich their wallets and really what can be done about it? Not much. We are born, create more living beings and die. End of story. What is the point? Also why not make men also experience a form of menopause after a certain age? The only reason not to is to continue the endless creation of human life.

    I now realize how many flaws there are in our own creation and how many flaws there are in our society. How religion is used to make people feel like they are following Gods plan and have a purpose. Such a masterful deceit that is passed down from generation to generation and never ceases.

    The human brain it seems can be tricked and fooled with just simple knowledge and understanding that the elite have mastered. If we all took the time to master this imagine how different the world would be.

  • Richard O. Mann

    More than likely, there will come a time when they will start taking us olders out. We may check in to a hospital for what ever reason, and not check out. Or, they could just slip some thing into our meds at home. Our young people have grown up with abortion being the norm. So, if we can kill while in the womb because we don’t what the hassle of another child, why not kill off gramps or gramma since they are becoming such a pain and a hassle to keep. It is happening in some places already. Oh, and didn’t the American Indians do that to their old people? The more pagan the country becomes, the more likely this will happen.

    • FirstGarden

      “Roach Motel – where they check in, but they don’t check out.”

    • Eric Quintero

      Ive never heard of American Indians killing off their elderly.

      Do you have evidence of this?

      From everything Ive read / heard the Natives revered their elders.

      • Richard O. Mann

        Hmmmmm….maybe too many so called movies based on facts. Can’t really put my finger on actual names and times. Guilty of hearsay on this one. Maybe some one with a better hold on the American Indian culture could enlighten us on this?

        • FirstGarden

          Not in the American Indian culture, but a common practice with the “Indians” as in India. The practice is known as senicide or geronticide – the abandonment to death, suicide or killing of the elderly.

          In American history, we reserve that fine distinction for ourselves.

      • Mike Smithy

        As a member of the Cherokee Nations, I can attest to stories that my Cherokee grandmother told me about our ancestors. It was very common for nomadic American Indians to abandon their elderly when it was time to move on to other hunting grounds. Typically, the elderly would volunteer to stay behind and bid there family a last farewell once they realized they were a liability to the survival of the tribe. It was common for the elderly to sit next to the campfire until the flames would go out. At this juncture, creatures such as wolves and bears would move in for the kill. The Indians believed that their spirits would then live on in these animals. It may be a harsh reality for non Indians to understand, however, I think there is dignity in the old ways than crapping in my pants on a daily basis and waiting to die in a nursing home.

        • GSOB

          Thanks for the story.

          Do you think they now know many Christians M Smithy?

          • Mike Smithy


    • Mad Max

      Pagan do not kill elders. The elders runs the Clans which we are part of. We follow the law of the land. If we do not we get obstacised by our famillies and Clan kin. You know nothing about Pagans nor Paganism.

      • FirstGarden

        Some Pagans did sacrifice their children to Molech. Sad, but true.

        • Aren’t Christians doing that now in their Molech Churches using Birth Control instead of Furnaces to fry their kids in order to win favor with their father the devil?

      • Libsare Ajoke

        Pagan played well for the Giants, not an all star but still a good ball player

      • Richard O. Mann

        Well Maddie, here in the good ol US of A, we older folks are getting to be way too numerous for the system to support. Isn’t that the gist of the article? You must be talking about the Scots or Irish or something along those lines. But in any country where the money is getting tight, and cuts have to be made, look for the oldest and those with the most needs to get the ax, so to speak.

    • Of course actually having children would not be an option. I’m sure you would agree.

  • Sandbagger

    The schools have taught for years that we evolved and that “survival of the fittest” is natural and expected.

    Along comes Grandma and Grandpa…unable to pull their own weight.

    What makes them think the younger, and fitter won’t exterminate them in an act of self-preservation?

    That would solve the problem of paying out Social Security, etc. on them and also free up much-needed jobs for all those college grads.

    Scary thought.

    • 1stworlder

      Survival of the fittest hasn’t occurred in the US from when welfare came about until, Arizona removed the requirement for lifeguards to be able to swim due to affirmative action.

    • Anything is better than actually having any children. Right?

  • FirstGarden

    An old lady was in a shopping center, and about to pull into a parking space. But a young fellow saw her, and quickly pulled into it, beating her to it. When he got out of his car, he smiled and said, “Well, I guess that’s the blessing of youth & vigor.”

    So, the disgruntled old lady drove on, then suddenly stopped, and backed her big car into his compact, resulting in serious damage. She then chuckled and said, “That’s the blessing of old age & wealth”.

    • Eric Quintero

      Hahahaha. Well played !

    • Libsare Ajoke

      the effeminate young fellow (we will call him gary) started to cry and called the police. the police charged Hillary with a felony for being a meanie

    • What a way for civilization to go in a war of extermination between the old and young. It does have a certain appeal if you like death.

  • Eric Quintero

    Haha yup. Im running a micro business selling T Shirts. There’s no way I could even afford to register as an LLC or begin paying taxes. I had to turn the website off simply because $30 / mo during the off season isnt sustainable.

    Im selling T shirts that normally retail for $40 and cutting the price down to $20-25; this is the only way my tiny business can function.

    • Priszilla

      T shirt for $40? I got my winter/rain jacket for £40. Leather jacket and trenchcoat were a bit more expensive, but they will keep.

  • Mondobeyondo

    When it does hit the fan — you sure don’t want to be stuck on the Good Ship Lollypoop.

    RIP Shirley Temple Black 1928-2014

  • Priszilla

    actually, with the wars, the gun crimes, the obesity, the homelessness, the epidemics the life expectancy is falling.

  • Priszilla

    add the children to the pensioners and you get the number of people depending on the “workers”. the quotient of both numbers doesn’t change too much.

    • Eric Quintero

      At first I read that as “Add the children to the PRISONERS and you get the number of people depending on the “workers.”

      Which is also a true statement. Our prisons are overrun with the mentally ill, the retarded and the non violent drug offenders.

    • Another smart idea, let’s all turn Gay and live happily ever after.

  • davidmpark

    I believe much differently about God’s ideals for man. The Lord has revealed that man as an individual, must build up the Kingdom of God upon the Earth – man must build Zion.

    It’s also the method of this building that I think is different than many of the Christian churches beliefs. We believe that man must come unto Christ by:

    1. Researching and coming to faith in the Lord, Jesus Christ by testing His gospel principles and praying for a confirmation from the Holy Ghost about the divinity of it.
    2. Repentance of sins; no matter how bad they are. A change of heart must be worked toward and compensation made for any trespasses committed.
    3. Baptism by those in authority; those that hold the priesthood that comes directly from Christ via his Prophet and Apostles.
    4. Confirmation to His Church by the laying on of hands by those with the same priesthood office as #3. And those who perform the confirmation also bless the person with the gift of the Holy Ghost, to be a constant companion.

    And after this, the member of God’s Church then can choose to research in the scriptures, pray for assistance, and then work towards (under the promptings of the Holy Ghost) building themselves and then their home and family as a Zion upon the earth.

    It is possible, and this is what I believe is God’s will. He is full of mercy and is still willing to help out this nation. But this nation has done the things that anger Him the most: they have oppressed and harmed the poor and afflicted. The sodomy, the drugs, and such is more personal. When the people collectively and through government oppress the poor and afflicted then the Lord will punish a nation.

    • Could it be that God hates us now because we have killed nearly all of our children out of our hate for God?

      • davidmpark

        God doesn’t hate us. He gets angry over certain things as He must fulfill both mercy and justice. But hate? No.

  • PabloKOh

    Legalize euthanasia. At least let the generation that socialized the US put a bullet in their brains without the threat of arrest, fines and jail time.

    • There you go real smart, form a circular firing squad. It would be just but would it solve our problem?

  • Dave of OK

    This is all unsustainable. Health care costs are going to eat us alive. Eventually society is going to have to make some big ethical decisions about who gets health care and who does not. Community “Health” Committees will decide who is too old for a procedure or a child is too expensive to continue receiving treatment. This care by committee makes sense; otherwise the rich will get health care and the poor will not. Whether we like it or not soilent green is coming.

    • Oh, yeah, after killing all our children with Birth Control lets now kill the surviving old people who are dying anyway. Real Smart thinking.

  • Tatiana Covington

    Learn how to slow, stop, reverse, and prevent aging.
    Build high-level robots.
    Develop fusion power, for such things as desalination on such a scale as to reclaim the entire Sahara. It was a Kansas-like grassland dotted with lakes just 20,000 years ago.

    • Have children silly. Robots and fusion power will not help us, and what do we need with more land, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Flag and the Bible, when WE will not be here by the year 2100.

  • CynicalGuy42

    What advice would you give a young person aged 16-26 today? Maybe they’ve gone down the wrong path, maybe they haven’t. But you know for a fact that they want to live right and be a shining role model.

    • Have children, as many as possible, or stop taking up space and oxygen.

      • Priszilla

        Children need to eat. Some minor point pro-lifers happily forget.

        • Really? There hasn’t been one child starve to death in America since 1776, and I don’t think one of yours or anyone’s is going to be the first one. So, starvation is not an excuse to murder your children. Never was, never will be. No hate of children and love of money are the cause of the war on children led by such as you.

          *”Life And Life More Abundantly”*
          Google “FounderChurch” for Teachings

        • Are you posters really humans are alien robots that make you so cold to loving children to loving your own children. At least the monster Hitler, while he cold bloodedly killed other peoples children, was not crazy enough, or evil enough, to kill his own.

          *”Life And Life More Abundantly”*
          Google “FounderChurch” for Teachings

          • Priszilla

            Hitler didn’t have children. He wasn’t even married until just before his suicide.

      • Brian Wells

        You are a douchebag. People like you give all Christians a bad name.

        • Christians like you killing their own children, worse than Hitler killing the Jews is what is giving Christians not only a bad name, but causing them to become extinct. I don’t even think you are a Christian at all, but rather a fake.

        • Calling people douchebags is a Fascist insulting and demeaning insult to women, and represents the thinking of a pervert of some kind.

    • Priszilla

      Learn a skill, fall in love, take care of family and friends.

      Study hard, get the skill early, find a place where people will pay for that skill. The world is large. You dont need to live with mom and dad to feel close to them.

      • CynicalGuy42

        So…the same old-fashioned stuff folks did in the old days are a good idea today?

  • leeanne dwnise rose

    I believe if there is a will there is away

  • leeanne dwnise rose

    there is a way around things 😀

  • leeanne dwnise rose

    the creator put us all here to follow him he has plans. For us all

  • leeanne dwnise rose

    follow the 10 commanments and help spread the word around to help the creator to show us all a way for all of us to live…the creator has the answers 😀

  • leeanne dwnise rose

    hello is anyone there…i know the creator is listening he always is…

  • leeanne dwnise rose

    learn from this web site cause its the creator showing us all the way 😀

  • leeanne dwnise rose

    the creator put things on earth for free we should get it for free 😀

  • flek

    Interest-free money now!

    No usury!

  • Terry P. Rizzuti

    The money could come from cutting back our military, and putting Congress on Social Security and Medicare, and cutting back on the NSA, and stopping bailouts of private industries, and cutting out corporate welfare, and eliminating the manipulation of the stock market, and taking private money out of public elections, and stopping unnecessary wars and nation building, and and and. Whoever you are that wrote this article need to step back and look at the bigger picture. It’s true that baby boomers have caused our financial problem, but it’s not true that social programs are the problem.

  • Priszilla

    Hunger is a very natural child killer. And disease. Flu, measles, whooping cough, dysentry, diphtery, tetanus, sepsis, etc. etc.

    • You seem to be picking around the edges of my post instead of digesting it and dealing with it head on.

      The Bible, for your information, says, “Woe must needs come into the world, BUT woe unto he or she that brings that woe.” When nature takes life, it is natural,
      but when humans intentionally and premeditatedly kill their own children with Birth Control, then that is always unnatural, and evil, and murder, no matter HOW it is done. .

  • 7citizen7

    If our federal government had never “borrowed”:, let alone never repaid, from SS, and if they had followed the original plan of investing that money, there would be 3 times the amount for each and every senior that is already retired. If our federal government had not okayed abortion, there would be lots of people coming up in the workforce. Now that we have a king instead of a president, it will never get any better!!

  • Robert177

    I’m in my 50’s. Unlike most Americans, my wife and are very “set” financially. When America goes down the toilet in 20 years, and everyone’s broke, jobless, and millions are living in the streets of the future disaster that will be the new USA, I just plan to board up all the windows, turn on the alarm system, load up my AR15, stand guard, and release the hounds. Everyone else, who hasn’t saved or planned? Why, they can all just go f**** themselves, for all I care.

  • Robert177

    I suddenly realize the “magic” solution to this and all other related problems. We need the Big Pharma companies to invent a drug that doubles lifespan, and then mandate no retirement until age of 130. Boom, the whole problem is solved.

  • Gay Veteran

    potable water surplus? certainly not in CA and much of the southwest. water is increasingly a problem for this country

    • rogerinflorida

      It is just a question of distribution, and of course CA keeping up it’s infrastructure so that very wet years, like 2012, can alleviate dry years.

  • Val

    I don’t think they will try to take away Social Security. I think they will add a 0 or two, to the worth of the dollar. You will be paid your money, but the money wont buy anything like it does now. So $1.oo will become 10.00 dollars or even 100.00 dollars. Then they will pay you with the inflated money.

  • Val

    One more comment I would like to make. If or when I should say the dollar inflates. Don’t think you will be able to pay off your house with cheap money… I’m sure that the Bankers will get congress to pass some kine of law to index the system so that we the people will not benefit in any way from the lost of the worth of the dollar. The Gov. and you can be sure the Banks will.

  • Val

    You might want to look up an interesting interview on YT. An Interview with A Illuminati Defector,Savali .
    She said that they plan to have everything in place by 2023 for the take over after the collapse. Some things might scare you that she says so be advised.

  • Val

    Svali, Illuminati defector RARE interview, Part 1-10 on YTube. Watch it.

  • usmcmailman

    PURE BULL ! The economy is entirely the fault of
    this Government !

  • seawolf14

    Hi micheal and ec bloggers,
    If the boomers have $1000 saved it makes them worth more than the average black women who is worth $5. and you said that the bottom 25% of this country isn’t even worth a penny combined so they’ve actually done quite well for themselves.
    I doubt third world Marxist post Amerika will make it out of the decade, w/o an economic/ environmental collapse. water scarcity is about to begin in cal. I’m going to try to be up by Wyoming and Montana by 2016.
    free Matt Hale.

  • Patrick

    I can sum up the reason all of this corruption with Monsanto, the Fed, national debt, NSA spying, unemployment and our economy in three words.

    Greed. Money. Power.

  • grintch

    That photo reminds me of “A Clockwork Orange”, a totally degenerate movie.

  • kate

    The generation which would have been coming into the workforce and paying into SS has been aborted.

  • hon788

    With higher minimum wage all our problems will be solved”
    a lovely quote from Obama

  • J Steade

    Most of us are not taking it seriously because we know that it will not happen yet. We spend lot of times doing things that are not really important.When time comes, we will die because we’re not prepared for all the disaster that might happened. Instead of wasting our time, why not doing something that will help for our own benefit when unexpected disaster’s will come.

  • Andrew


    “But do they actually deserve a “bright future”? Perhaps they deserve to spend their years slaving away to support previous generations during their golden years.”

    The writer acts like that’s an option. You can’t get blood from a stone. Good lucking trying to get those trillions from millenials. We’re not the greedy, dumb generation that shipped half the American economy overseas. Yep, we got the bill. But guess what? No money to pay. What are you going to do? Convince college kids to pay half their $10 an hour paychecks to support old people? We’ll sooner emigrate to other nations, or just stop paying taxes.

  • It is NOT Abortion by the underclass, but rather Birth Control by the middle and upper classes that is killing America. You people need an education. Google “FounderChurch”

  • Harry Sherry

    How come nobody ever looks at welfare payments as an unfunded liability? It’s $1,000,000,000,000/year.

  • ErickDean

    Now you see why Herr Adolph Hitler was quoted on a History
    Channel Documentary a few ago as having said the following
    : “The most wonderful thing for governments is that people
    don’t think!” Forty seven percent of congressmen and senators at personal wealth levels above a million dollars who
    continue to be elected and re-elected and less than a hand
    full of independents in the entire lot. No wonder your so called
    ‘founding fathers’ left the word ‘democracy’ out of the consti-
    tution, they knew who they were dealing with.

    Chicago, Illinois

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