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28 Signs That The Middle Class Is Heading Toward Extinction

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Dilapidated House In IndianaThe death of the middle class in America has become so painfully obvious that now even the New York Times is doing stories about it.  Millions of middle class jobs have disappeared, incomes are steadily decreasing, the rate of homeownership has declined for eight years in a row and U.S. consumers have accumulated record-setting levels of debt.  Being independent is at the heart of what it means to be “middle class”, and unfortunately the percentage of Americans that are able to take care of themselves without government assistance continues to decline.  In fact, the percentage of Americans that are receiving government assistance is now at an all-time record high.  This is not a good thing.  Sadly, the number of people on food stamps has increased by nearly 50 percent while Barack Obama has been in the White House, and at this point nearly half the entire country gets money from the government each month.  Anyone that tries to tell you that the middle class is going to be “okay” simply has no idea what they are talking about.  The following are 28 signs that the middle class is heading toward extinction…

#1 You don’t have to ask major U.S. corporations if the middle class is dying.  This fact is showing up plain as day in their sales numbers.  The following is from a recent New York Times article entitled “The Middle Class Is Steadily Eroding. Just Ask the Business World“…

In Manhattan, the upscale clothing retailer Barneys will replace the bankrupt discounter Loehmann’s, whose Chelsea store closes in a few weeks. Across the country, Olive Garden and Red Lobster restaurants are struggling, while fine-dining chains like Capital Grille are thriving. And at General Electric, the increase in demand for high-end dishwashers and refrigerators dwarfs sales growth of mass-market models.

As politicians and pundits in Washington continue to spar over whether economic inequality is in fact deepening, in corporate America there really is no debate at all. The post-recession reality is that the customer base for businesses that appeal to the middle class is shrinking as the top tier pulls even further away.

#2 Some of the largest retailers in the United States that once thrived by serving the middle class are now steadily dying.  Sears and J.C. Penney are both on the verge of bankruptcy, and now we have learned that Radio Shack may be shutting down another 500 stores this year.

#3 Real disposable income in the United States just experienced the largest year over year drop that we have seen since 1974.

#4 Median household income in the United States has fallen for five years in a row.

#5 The rate of homeownership in the United States has fallen for eight years in a row.

#6 In 2008, 53 percent of all Americans considered themselves to be “middle class”.  In 2014, only 44 percent of all Americans consider themselves to be “middle class”.

#7 In 2008, 25 percent of all Americans in the 18 to 29-year-old age bracket considered themselves to be “lower class”.  In 2014, an astounding 49 percent of them do.

#8 Incredibly, 56 percent of all Americans now have “subprime credit”.

#9 Total consumer credit has risen by a whopping 22 percent over the past three years.

#10 The average credit card debt in the United States is $15,279.

#11 The average student loan debt in the United States is $32,250.

#12 The average mortgage debt in the United States is $149,925.

#13 Overall, U.S. consumers are $11,360,000,000,000 in debt.

#14 The U.S. national debt is currently sitting at $17,263,040,455,036.20, and it is being reported that is has grown by $6.666 trillion during the Obama years so far.  Most of the burden of servicing that debt is going to fall on the middle class (if the middle class is able to survive that long).

#15 According to the Congressional Budget Office, interest payments on the national debt will nearly quadruple over the next ten years.

#16 Back in 1999, 64.1 percent of all Americans were covered by employment-based health insurance.  Today, only 54.9 percent of all Americans are covered by employment-based health insurance.

#17 More Americans than ever find themselves forced to turn to the government for help with health care.  At this point, 82.4 million Americans live in a home where at least one person is enrolled in the Medicaid program.

#18 There are 46.5 million Americans that are living in poverty, and the poverty rate in America has been at 15 percent or above for 3 consecutive years.  That is the first time that has happened since 1965.

#19 While Barack Obama has been in the White House, the number of Americans on food stamps has gone from 32 million to 47 million.

#20 While Barack Obama has been in the White House, the percentage of working age Americans that are actually working has declined from 60.6 percent to 58.6 percent.

#21 While Barack Obama has been in the White House, the average duration of unemployment in the United States has risen from 19.8 weeks to 37.1 weeks.

#22 Middle-wage jobs accounted for 60 percent of the jobs lost during the last recession, but they have accounted for only 22 percent of the jobs created since then.

#23 It is hard to believe, but an astounding 53 percent of all American workers make less than $30,000 a year in wages.

#24 Approximately one out of every four part-time workers in America is living below the poverty line.

#25 According to the most recent numbers from the U.S. Census Bureau, an all-time record 49.2 percent of all Americans are receiving benefits from at least one government program each month.

#26 The U.S. government has spent an astounding 3.7 trillion dollars on welfare programs over the past five years.

#27 Only 35 percent of all Americans say that they are better off financially than they were a year ago.

#28 Only 19 percent of all Americans believe that the job market is better than it was a year ago.

As if the middle class didn’t have enough to deal with, now here comes Obamacare.

As I have written about previously, Obamacare is going to mean higher taxes and much higher health insurance premiums for middle class Americans.

Not only that, but millions of hard working Americans are going to end up losing their jobs or having their hours cut back thanks to Obamacare.  For example, a fry cook named Darnell Summers recently told Barack Obama directly that he and his fellow workers “were broken down to part time to avoid paying health insurance“…

And the Congressional Budget Office now says that Obamacare could result in the loss of 2.3 million full-time jobs by 2021.

Several million people will reduce their hours on the job or leave the workforce entirely because of incentives built into President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul, the Congressional Budget Office said Tuesday.

That would mean job losses equal to 2.3 million full-time jobs by 2021, in large part because people would opt to keep their income low to stay eligible for federal health care subsidies or Medicaid, the agency said. It had estimated previously that the law would lead to 800,000 fewer jobs by that year.

But even if we got rid of Obamacare tomorrow that would not solve the problems of the middle class.

The middle class has been shrinking for a very long time, and something dramatic desperately needs to be done.

The numbers that I shared above simply cannot convey the level of suffering that is going on out there on the streets of America today.  That is why I also like to share personal stories when I can.  Below, I have posted an excerpt from an open letter to Barack Obama that a woman with a Master’s degree and 30 years of work experience recently submitted to the Huffington Post.  What this formerly middle class lady is having to endure because of this horrible economy is absolutely tragic…

Dear Mr. President,

I write to you today because I have nowhere else to turn. I lost my full time job in September 2012. I have only been able to find part-time employment — 16 hours each week at $12 per hour — but I don’t work that every week. For the month of December, my net pay was $365. My husband and I now live in an RV at a campground because of my job loss. Our monthly rent is $455 and that doesn’t include utilities. We were given this 27-ft. 1983 RV when I lost my job.

This is America today. We have no running water; we use a hose to fill jugs. We have no shower but the campground does. We have a toilet but it only works when the sewer line doesn’t freeze — if it freezes, we use the campground’s restrooms. At night, in my bed, when it’s cold out, my blanket can freeze to the wall of the RV. We don’t have a stove or an oven, just a microwave, so regular-food cooking is out. Recently we found a small toaster oven on sale so we can bake a little now because eating only microwaved food just wasn’t working for us. We don’t have a refrigerator, just an icebox (a block of ice cost about $1.89). It keeps things relatively cold. If it’s freezing outside, we just put things on the picnic table.

You can read the rest of her incredibly heartbreaking letter right here.

This is not the America that I remember.

What in the world is happening to us?

  • garyisaloser

    What happened? Well, Gary happened.

    • 2Gary2

      Glad I am so popular and you still remember my wisdom.

  • FirstGarden

    Funny, all while reading this article, I was getting images of a “trailer park nation” passing through my mind. Then at the end, there was an RV park.

    You have to be smarter than the average bear these days.

    • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

      The story of the woman living in the RV with her husband really touched my heart. Sadly, this is just the beginning.


      • K

        Due to the rural nature of my area. There are many old dirt roads that are seldom used. It is not unusual to go down one and find people living in cars, or old vans. And as you say, this is just the beginning.

        • Tim

          I can’t imagine living in a car, especially at this time of the year. That is really sad.

          • K

            The saddest part, is the car and what they have in it. Represents all they have in the world. So even with bad weather coming, they will not seek shelter elsewhere. This time of year, I try to keep a couple of wool blankets in my truck. That way I have something to offer them.

      • AS55423

        I know a lot of people living with friends and relatives myself included. People can’t make it any other way.I feel fortunate to be in my position compared to millions of other folks.

      • FirstGarden


  • retired22


  • GSOB


    Strange number.

    Seventeen trillion, two hundred eighty billion,
    twenty million, five hundred ninety two thousand,
    one hundred seventy eight dollars and ninety four

    • Tim

      Just divide that number by the current population of the U.S. and that’s your share. But that $17 trillion figure doesn’t include other debts of the U.S., so your share would actually be much higher. Make your check payable to The Department of the Treasury. 🙂

      • kfilly

        I was.completely against amnesty until I heard that. On second thought, amnesty might not be all that bad. We can also annex China and India into the US. That check I’ll have to write keeps getting smaller and smaller. (Rolling eyes)

        • GSOB

          Amnesty would lead to more crime and Spanish channels on television.

    • Mondobeyondo

      It’s climbing higher every single minute.
      You owe approximately $77,000.
      That’s just you. If you have a significant other, they owe $77,000 each. Children? $77,000 each.

      • Mondobeyondo

        That’s true for every single man, woman and child in the U.S. Maybe even the puppies and kitties too.

      • quercus454

        And just think. If every American had the $17000 and paid it, the debt would be paid for 1 second or less. Because as we all know the politicians would just start spending in excess immediately.

  • chris

    We haven’t had real growth since the late 1960s. The supposed growth from the 1970s onwards was just debt masquerading as growth. A lot of people get angry when I say this, but the middle class that mushroomed after WWII was a fluke. Canada and the USA were the only countries left standing after the war. The rest of the world had no choice but to do business with these two countries. These two countries were innovative and produced stuff that the rest of the world needed to rebuild.

    • guest

      We rebuilt them and paid off the debt to the banks for the privilege. We have all this new debt for what?

  • K

    We are becoming a third world country in so many ways. Now we will add economic. 5% rich, 20% middle class, 75% poor. That is what the standard is, in most third world nations. Soon that will be the standard here.

    • toadsticker

      Read “The Twilight of Democracy” by Patrick E. Kennon. It’s written from a liberal slant, but it practically lays out Obama’s plan to lower our standard of living so we will accept the leaders control if it means stabilization. Also, read “Slouching Towards Gomorrah” by Robert Bork for a conservative view. Neither predict a happy ending. Finally, I recommend “Pax Neo-Tech” by Frank R. Wallace. You can find it on Amazon. Three GREAT BOOKS.

      • smallergovnow

        happy endings are only engineered on a hollywood set…

    • El Pollo de Oro

      K: Having seen both Latin America and North Africa first hand, I can say without hesitation that that we’re becoming more and more of a third world country.

      • Rene Girrard

        Having been to all 7 continents and Greenland and 47 of the 50 states, I can say the middle class still has a long way to slide down, but we seem to going down faster.

        • smallergovnow

          Dont care what you have seen. you must be completely blind…

        • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

          Yes, the decline definitely seems to be accelerating.


        • 2Gary2

          we need to be like Norway. They know how to run a country.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            The oil and gas industry, and the usage of their natural resources seems to be against the left’s core philosophy.
            And then there’s the whole part about being invaded and conquered repeatedly that just isn’t appetizing.
            Or were you talking more about the population being predominantly all Nordic white? how racist of you.

    • Mondobeyondo

      My best guesstimate:
      8% rich
      74% in the middle class
      18% – so broke they can’t even pay attention

      • VegasBob

        I think you have the middle class and the broke group backwards. Shouldn’t that be 18% middle class and 74% broke?

        And I think even that is optimistic. I think we wind up with 1% rich, 9% comfortable middle class, 5% getting by, and 85% totally broke.

        That was pretty much the feudal model from medieval England, and we’re doing a very good job of using technology to bring feudalism back to the 21st century.

        • Rene Girrard

          VegasBob I hardly ever see you on Mish anymore.

        • 12Gary2

          another reason to tax the rich and spread the wealth. new deal 2.0

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            The new deal was a failure.
            See: Henry Morgenthau Jr, one of it’s designers.

          • davidmpark

            The Gary’s are breeding! RUN FOR YOUR WALLET’S LIVES!!!!

  • GSOB

    “Instead, all we hear is that tax cuts for the rich are the source of every economic ill in the country. Anyone truly concerned about the middle class suffering from falling real wages, under-employment, a rising cost of living, and a decreasing standard of living should pay a lot more attention to monetary policy. Federal spending, deficits, and Federal Reserve mischief hurt the poor while transferring wealth to the already rich. This is the real problem, and raising taxes on those who produce wealth will only make conditions worse.”


    • kfilly

      Just a tactic of.Stalin. Raise taxes and inflation ti crush the middle class.

  • GSOB

    Matthew 22:15-22

    Living Bible (TLB)

    15 Then the Pharisees met together to try to think of some way to trap Jesus into saying something for which they could arrest him. 16 They decided to send some of their men along with the Herodians to ask him this question: “Sir, we know you are very honest and teach the truth regardless of the consequences, without fear or favor.
    17 Now tell us, is it right to pay taxes to the Roman government or not?”

    18 But Jesus saw what they were after. “You hypocrites!” he exclaimed. “Who are you trying to fool with your trick questions?
    19 Here, show me a coin.” And they handed him a penny.
    20 “Whose picture is stamped on it?” he asked them. “And whose name is this beneath the picture?”

    21 “Caesar’s,” they replied.

    “Well, then,” he said, “give it to Caesar if it is his, and give God everything that belongs to God.”

    22 His reply surprised and baffled them, and they went away.

    • davidmpark

      Ah, this is something I’d love to debate about.

      Ceasar Augustus in some #$%&ed up way, owned the empire. The coins had his bust upon it, and so on.

      OUR currency, on the other hand, has a bust of past presidents, the signatures of the Treasury Secretary and the Head of the Federal Reserve Bank, and two separate seals; one of the floating pyramid looking at us, and the seal of the United States… and the motto “In God We Trust”

      So, who’s is it?

      • GSOB

        Romans 13

        Living Bible (TLB)

        1 Obey the government, for God is the one who has put it there. There is no government anywhere that God has not placed in power.

        2 So those who refuse to obey the laws of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow.

        3 For the policeman does not frighten people who are doing right; but those doing evil will always fear him. So if you don’t want to be afraid, keep the laws and you will get along well.

        4 The policeman is sent by God to help you. But if you are doing something wrong, of course you should be afraid, for he will have you punished. He is sent by God for that very purpose.

        5 Obey the laws, then, for two reasons: first, to keep from being punished, and second, just because you know you should.

        6 Pay your taxes too, for these same two reasons. For government workers need to be paid so that they can keep on doing God’s work, serving you.

        7 Pay everyone whatever he ought to have: pay your taxes and import duties gladly, obey those over you, and give honor and respect to all those to whom it is due.

        • Eric Quintero

          I dont think any of this applies in our current police state.

          Our cops work for Satan. Im subscribed to Cop Block on facebook.

 there is another incident of police brutality, police killing innocents, police abusing power and often, LITERALLY getting away with murder.

          The easiest way to get 4 weeks paid vacation as a cop is to kill someone. Preferably someone unarmed and under the age of 18.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            “We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set.

            We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded. – Barack Obama
            Welcome to what he was talking about. Military equipment is flowing like rivers to small town cop shops too. So, those of you that think it’s not coming to your town; see Preston, Id. and the free military equipment they’re getting.

            And some people wonder why I LOATHE cops.

          • Gay Veteran

            the main purpose of the police is to maintain order for the State (and the elites who control it)

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            I’m not so sure about the “maintain order” so much as “maintain THE order” (there’s a HUGE difference) and raise revenue for the state.
            The only thing cops have ever gotten me are fines and fees. I’ve NEVER had a cop or the courts correctly bring me justice where I’ve been wronged.
            Car stolen, uninsured driver hit me, moron tried to kill me because someone else trespassed on his property, etc.

          • davidmpark

            What’s really creepy is that some officers I know said that after 9/11 the police were Federalized. They are have loyalty issues.

            So last legislative session, Utah’s Legislature had a sudden bout of intelligence, and voted to make the elected county sheriffs the law authority on all federal lands.

            Now, in another fit of normalcy; two bills are up for vote: one makes sheriff’s have jurisdiction over federal parks and monuments, and makes the duly ELECTED sheriff the primary law enforcement authority over the county; with a provision for citizens to recall if needed. If the police overstep, we can call the Sheriff!


          • GSOB

            Then I saw heaven opened and a white horse standing there; and the one sitting on the horse was named Faithful and True—the one who justly punishes and makes war.

        • davidmpark

          D&C 98:4-18

          4 And now, verily I say unto you concerning the laws of the land, it is my will that my people should observe to do all things whatsoever I command them.

          5 And that law of the land which is constitutional, supporting that principle of freedom in maintaining rights and privileges, belongs to all mankind, and is justifiable before me.

          6 Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the constitutional law of the land;

          7 And as pertaining to law of man, whatsoever is more or less than this, cometh of evil.

          8 I, the Lord God, make you free, therefore ye are free indeed; and the law also maketh you free.

          9 Nevertheless, when the wicked rule the people mourn.

          10 Wherefore, honest men and wise men should be sought for diligently, and good men and wise men ye should observe to uphold; otherwise whatsoever is less than these cometh of evil.

          11 And I give unto you a commandment, that ye shall forsake all evil and cleave unto all good, that ye shall live by every word which proceedeth forth out of the mouth of God.

          12 For he will give unto the faithful line upon line, precept upon precept; and I will try you and prove you herewith.

          13 And whoso layeth down his life in my cause, for my name’s sake, shall find it again, even life eternal.

          14 Therefore, be not afraid of your enemies, for I have decreed in my heart, saith the Lord, that I will prove you in all things, whether you will abide in my covenant, even unto death, that you may be found worthy.

          15 For if ye will not abide in my covenant ye are not worthy of me.

          16 Therefore, renounce war and proclaim peace, and seek diligently to turn the hearts of the children to their fathers, and the hearts of the fathers to the children;

          17 And again, the hearts of the Jews unto the prophets, and the prophets unto the Jews; lest I come and smite the whole earth with a curse, and all flesh be consumed before me.

          18 Let not your hearts be troubled; for in my Father’s house are many mansions, and I have prepared a place for you; and where my Father and I am, there ye shall be also.

          • GSOB

            2 Peter 3

            Living Bible (TLB)

            3:11 And so since everything around us is going to melt away, what holy, godly lives we should be living!

            12 You should look forward to that day and hurry it along—the day when God will set the heavens on fire, and the heavenly bodies will melt and disappear in flames.

            13 But we are looking forward to God’s promise of new heavens and a new earth afterwards, where there will be only goodness.

            14 Dear friends, while you are waiting for these things to happen and for him to come, try hard to live without sinning; and be at peace with everyone so that he will be pleased with you when he returns.

            And remember why he is waiting. He is giving us time to get his message of salvation out to others.
            Our wise and beloved brother Paul has talked about these same things in many of his letters.

            Some of his comments are not easy to understand, and there are people who are deliberately stupid, and always demand some unusual interpretation—they have twisted his letters around to mean something quite different from what he meant, just as they do the other parts of the Scripture—and the result is disaster for them.

            17 I am warning you ahead of time, dear brothers, so that you can watch out and not be carried away by the mistakes of these wicked men, lest you yourselves become mixed up too.

            18 But grow in spiritual strength and become better acquainted with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be all glory and splendid honor, both now and forevermore.


          • davidmpark

            In the LDS faith, we use the King James Version of the Holy Bible as it’s the closest to the original documents that can be found.

            The revised and altered Living Bible has changed a lot of the scripture’s meanings; hence our belief that the Bible is the word of God so far as it is translated correctly.

            2 Nephi 29:

            1 But behold, there shall be many—at that day when I shall proceed to do a marvelous work among them, that I may remember my covenants which I have made unto the children of men, that I may set my hand again the second time to recover my people, which are of the house of Israel;

            2 And also, that I may remember the promises which I have made unto thee, Nephi, and also unto thy father, that I would remember your seed; and that the words of your seed should proceed forth out of my mouth unto your seed; and my words shall hiss forth unto the ends of the earth, for a standard unto my people, which are of the house of Israel;

            3 And because my words shall hiss forth—many of the Gentiles shall say: A Bible! A Bible! We have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more Bible.

            4 But thus saith the Lord God: O fools, they shall have a Bible; and it shall proceed forth from the Jews, mine ancient covenant people. And what thank they the Jews for the Bible which they receive from them? Yea, what do the Gentiles
            mean? Do they remember the travails, and the labors, and the pains of the Jews, and their diligence unto me, in bringing forth salvation unto the Gentiles?

            5 O ye Gentiles, have ye remembered the Jews, mine ancient covenant people? Nay; but ye have cursed them, and have hated them, and have not sought to recover them. But behold, I will return all these things upon your own heads; for I the Lord have not forgotten my people.

            6 Thou fool, that shall say: A Bible, we have got a Bible, and we need no more Bible. Have ye obtained a Bible save it were by the Jews?

            7 Know ye not that there are more nations than one? Know ye not that I, the Lord your God, have created all men, and that I remember those who are upon the isles of the sea; and that I rule in the heavens above and in the earth beneath; and I bring forth my word unto the children of men, yea, even upon all the nations of the earth?

            8 Wherefore murmur ye, because that ye shall receive more of my word? Know ye not that the testimony of two nations is a witness unto you that I am God, that I remember one nation like unto another? Wherefore, I speak the same words unto one nation like unto another. And when the two nations shall run together the testimony of the two nations shall run together also.

            9 And I do this that I may prove unto many that I am the same yesterday, today, and forever; and that I speak forth my words according to mine own pleasure. And because that I have spoken one word ye need not suppose that I cannot speak another; for my work is not yet finished; neither shall it be until the end of man, neither from that time henceforth and forever.

            10 Wherefore, because that ye have a Bible ye need not suppose that it contains all my words; neither need ye suppose that I have not caused more to be written.

            11 For I command all men, both in the east and in the west, and in the north, and in the south, and in the islands of the sea, that they shall write the words which I speak unto them; for out of the books which shall be written I will judge the world, every man according to their works, according to that which is written.

            12 For behold, I shall speak unto the Jews and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the Nephites and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the other tribes of the house of
            Israel, which I have led away, and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto all nations of the earth and they shall write it.

            13 And it shall come to pass that the Jews shall have the words of the Nephites, and the Nephites shall have the words of the Jews; and the Nephites and the Jews shall have the words of the lost tribes of Israel; and the lost tribes of Israel shall have the words of the Nephites and the Jews.

            14 And it shall come to pass that my people, which are of the house of Israel, shall be gathered home unto the lands of their possessions; and my word also shall be gathered in cone. And I will show unto them that fight against my word and against my people, who are of the house of Israel, that I am God, and that I covenanted with Abraham that I would remember his seed forever.

            And implying that someone is stupid because you’ve got no good argument is not a way to win friends and influence people.

          • GSOB

            Proverbs 12:23

            Common English Bible (CEB)

            23 The shrewd conceal their knowledge, but the heart of fools proclaims their stupidity.

        • davidmpark

          Mormon 8:32-41

          32 Yea, it shall come in a day when there shall be churches built up that shall say: Come unto me, and for your money you shall be forgiven of your sins.

          33 O ye wicked and perverse and stiffnecked people, why have ye built up churches unto yourselves to get gain? Why have ye transfigured the holy word of God, that ye might bring damnation upon your souls? Behold, look ye unto the revelations of God; for behold, the time cometh at that day when all these things must be fulfilled.

          34 Behold, the Lord hath shown unto me great and marvelous things concerning that which must shortly come, at that day when these things shall come forth among you.

          35 Behold, I speak unto you as if ye were present, and yet ye are not. But behold, Jesus Christ hath shown you unto me, and I know your doing.

          36 And I know that ye do walk in the pride of your hearts; and there are none save a few only who do not lift themselves up in the pride of their hearts, unto the wearing of very fine apparel, unto envying, and strifes, and malice, and persecutions, and all manner of iniquities; and your churches, yea, even every one, have become polluted because of the pride of your hearts.

          37 For behold, ye do love money, and your substance, and your fine apparel, and the adorning of your churches, more than ye love the poor and the needy, the sick and the afflicted.

          38 O ye pollutions, ye hypocrites, ye teachers, who sell yourselves for that which will canker, why have ye polluted the holy church of God? Why are ye ashamed to take upon you the name of Christ? Why do ye not think that greater is the value of an endless happiness than that misery which never dies—because of the praise of the world?

          39 Why do ye adorn yourselves with that which hath no life, and yet suffer the hungry, and the needy, and the naked, and the sick and the afflicted to pass by you, and notice them not?

          40 Yea, why do ye build up your secret abominations to get gain, and cause that widows should mourn before the Lord, and also orphans to mourn before the Lord, and also the blood of their fathers and their husbands to cry unto the Lord from the ground, for vengeance upon your heads?

          41 Behold, the sword of vengeance hangeth over you; and the time soon cometh that he avengeth the blood of the saints upon you, for he will not suffer their cries any longer.

          • jonno

            Was this translated via Joe Smiths hat?

          • davidmpark

            This was from ancient Hebrew scriptures from the American continent, translated by Joseph Smith after being ordained as prophet, seer, and revelator for the Lord’s Church by the resurrected Christ Himself.

            There was not hat involved.

          • davidmpark

            Here’s a question: can you refute anything in these scriptural references as being false doctrine? Or does it make plain, reasonable sense?

          • GSOB

            Galatians 1:8

            Living Bible (TLB)

            8 Let God’s curses fall on anyone, including myself, who preaches any other way to be saved than the one we told you about; yes, if an angel comes from heaven and preaches any other message, let him be forever cursed.

        • Hank Kingsley

          See? This ‘god’ stuff is all made up by the elites. Why else would the fantasy book ‘bible’ say stuff like ‘obey the leaders’, ‘pay taxes’, ‘respect the people to whom your taxes/payments are due’ etc…?


          The elites made it all up. Its all part of the plan to keep the masses dumb and poor.

          • jonno

            Well said , wake up and see the truth before it’s too late.

    • jonno

      What is your point? Will you keep sprouting this garbage as the world collapes around you? 90% of the bible is fabricated nonsense designed to control you and give you hope when everything is taken from you.

      • Malcolm Reynolds

        Have you ever thought about the fact that secular humanist govts (that’s the godless atheists, to you) have killed far more people than any other?
        Tear down the moral code that tells people to reign in their unbridled passions and be accountable for their actions and you tend to get more of the garbage you seem to be railing against. 1 + 1 = 2.

  • Wakulla Prepper

    When the housing prices collapsed I bought a small house for a rental investment. A decent but small house on a lot on a canal to the Gulf Of Mexico. 100 % of my tenants, all low income, stole from me, lied to me, damaged the house, and moved out without notice, I provided them a decent home, and they all lacked the morals to treat me well. No more compassion for lower class people from me. Tenants in my big rental home, “middle class” folks are no problem. Drugs are the primary problem with low class people in Pasco county Florida.

  • Westernman


  • davidmpark

    I’m gonna reiterate what I’ve said before:

    National Debt: $17,280,020,592,178.94+
    Raw Material Reserves: $120,000,000,000,000.00+
    Renewable Resources: $300,000,000,000,000.00+/-

    There is the answer!

    Unlock 50% across-the-board, deregulate, repeal taxes and fees, keep ownership and production solely in the states, only export the unsold surplus. Knock it off with the unimportant legislative efforts: pot, #$%&ing up marriage, amnesty, etc. Audit the Fed and transfer money power back to the Treasury. Overturn the regulations on home food production, small-scale manufacturing, and any other basic needs production that is grown/made at home and is consumed at home.

    But, we’re ruled by hippies, radical insurrectionists, welfare parasites, and incompetent crony businessmen – all of whom need public welfare to thrive.

    • seth

      I am going to post this comment one second and last time, as I no longer believe that people believe in freedom of speech – it is truly secret societies, primarily Freemasons, and talmudic (not torah-observant) jews who are destroying the US and the world. The talmud even describes Jesus boiling in excrement in hell. The torah-observant Jews are innocent. I have 2 degrees in science and have met such people running the UK.

      I used to dismiss this, what others’ said, as racism. But there is some truth to all this – whether people want to be blind to this and allow the real perpetrators of the West’s problems hide under the broad banner of ‘racism’ is another matter.

      • davidmpark

        When it comes down to it; any secret society, or secret criminal organization can only thrive when the individual with the community allows them too.

        Who can you blame at the end? Only you – as you do have power to end this. You are already free; weaker folks try to convince you otherwise as your agency is the only thing on one can actually steal. They need to you to hand it over and abide by their evil to keep it theirs. It’s actually impossible for anyone to possess the agency of another.

        In the end, you must account for yourself and your actions; and the results of your actions. If the US and world go into corruption, everyone only has themselves to blame for not stopping it. Sorry.

    • 2Gary2

      deregulation=decriminalization. period. ask the folks in WV who now have bad water.

      • davidmpark

        That had nothing to do with deregulation. There was plenty of regulations – it was being run, more or less, by useless bureaucrats that kept saying everything was “up to specs”.

        Read what really happened from sites with a good reputation. Your far-leftist propaganda sites are rubbish!

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          oof, out of the mouth of babes. I wonder where he comes up with that drivel.

          • davidmpark

            Could speculate, but it wouldn’t solve his problem.

  • toadsticker

    In 2009 I needed a car for my wife to replace the 1994 S-10 that she drove. I bought what I could afford – a 2006 rendezvous. Now, in 2014, I need to replace the 1994 crown victoria that I drive. Five years after my last purchase I’m looking at buying a 2004-2006 model. Instead of buying a three year old vehicle, I’m looking to buy an 8-10 year old model. My purchasing power has really gone down the last five years.

    • Bubba Johnson

      I bought what I could afford

      Good for you, most have no idea what that means.

      • toadsticker

        If this continues in another five years I’ll probably be riding the bus. Like you.

        • Sham

          In five years buses will be outlawed and you will have to get around by farting to propel yourself around on roller skates.

          And then Brack Onigga will charge a tax on the farts.

          • toadsticker

            It’s hitting us all dude. Sorry you got it so bad.

    • Rene Girrard

      1997 to 2004 Buick Regal is a good car and a 2000 to 2004 Toyota Avalon is a good car. Try to find one with 150K or less. Both cars are good to 300K if maintained.

    • squashpants

      A few years back, after my 2003 Saturn was totaled, I took $10,000 and bought a 2005 Kia from Carmax. That is what I am driving now, and I regularly take it for maintenance checks. And it has been a reliable car for the most part. I decided that taking on a car note was not the way to go, and decided to buy one outright. The early Kias did not have great reputations for quality, but apparently I got one of the years that their quality was on the ascent, because it has fared quite well in the snowy environs of Minnesota. I have for the most part always looked at a car as a means to get from point A to point B, and never wanted anything flashy. Now that I have retired, this is true even more than ever. Do the research, look at all avenues of purchase, but when it comes down to it, buy the best choice at the best price for cash. It has 57,000 on the odometer, and I expect to drive it into the ground.

      • quercus454

        If you know how to work on older cars and have the time, there are some that will just keep on going. I have an 86 Mazda truck with well over 200,000 miles on it. In fact the newest vehicle I own is a 1990.

    • quercus454

      It’s called inflation. The tax that most people don’t even notice and the one that affects the poor and middle drastically.

  • sth_txs

    Well, there was this ‘kook’ named Ron Paul a few years ago who brought up some of these issues and had some reasonable ideas about it, but he was consistently peed on by the media and others. Though I could quibble with him on a few things, those of you who had a low opinion and put him down, well enjoy the decline!

    • Eric Quintero

      Dude is a nutjob. Always talking about the Constitution this, and civil liberties that. Fiscal responsibility blah blah blah.

      Aint nobody got time for that!

      We have wars to fight and poor people to kill.

      • Mark Caldwell

        The founders are dead, and so is their dream Viva the 4th Reich! Sieg Heil YOLO!

        • Mondobeyondo

          The founders are indeed dead. And their dream… will die as well, if enough people won’t stand up for it

          • 2Gary2

            the founders would not even have breakfast with today’s conservative drooling dolt. Hey hows michelle bachman and palin doing?

          • Mondobeyondo

            I’d love to see a presidential debate between Barack Obama and Thomas Jefferson….

          • davidmpark

            Jefferson would probably challenge little barry to a duel after pulling some Alinsky nonsense.

            That’s how it was in those days. Even Lincoln was challenged to a duel; his opponent chickened out when Lincoln choose broadswords (Old Abe had the advantage there).

          • Eric Quintero

            Jesse Ventura would duel someone. That man is BAMF to the core.

      • Tatiana Covington

        And just think of all those Terminator robots to field-test!

      • Jim Davis

        Great imitation of a Limbaugh-Hannity-Levin-bot “conservative”. How many of these imbeciles are on food stamps now? No matter. I’m sure they still want us to bomb Syria, Iran, etc.

        • El Pollo de Oro

          Jim: That’s exactly what neocons are longing for: wars, wars and more wars. There can never be enough wars to satisfy the neocon bloodlust of Bill Kristol, Ann Coulter, Pillhead Limbaugh, Hannity and the rest of the imperialist clown brigade. But Ron Paul is right: we can’t afford an empire. La República Bananeira de América is busted, tapped out, in debt up to our eyeballs. In the words of Gerald Celente, our digital currency isn’t even worth the paper it’s not printed on.

      • Selaretus

        Makes me proud to be a-merr-ikan!

      • nekksys


        You forgot the tags

      • Navelkist


    • El Pollo de Oro

      STH: Ah, yes, Ron Paul. I remember when Ron Paul, Alex Jones, Gerald Celente, Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, Chris Hedges and Peter Schiff were all warning that a major financial calamity was approaching. They were trashed by the Bushbots back in 2006/2007. Then came the great crash of 2008 followed by a depression and five years of misery.

      You’re right. Those who trashed Ron Paul are now getting a big dose of reality. And the worst is yet to come.

      • Douglas M. Green

        And they are all saying that 2008/2009 was the first wall of the hurricane. The problem was papered over (not solved) as we headed into the relatively tranquil eye, and now we are entering the back wall that will be far worse than the first wave.

        • Selaretus

          You are right, Douglas. Now the ‘rich’ get to watch all that pretend wealth vaporize back into the thin air from which the Fed conjured it. I can’t wait to hear them whine.BTW: start working on your bug out bag

          • Keroro

            The long sobs of autumn’s violins

        • El Pollo de Oro

          Douglas M. Green: As painful as the last five years have been for millions of Americans, this is only Phase 1 of what Gerald Celente calls The Greatest Depression. Phase 2 will be considerably worse. I’m an aging Gen-Xer, and when I was growing up, my grandmother had plenty of Great Depression horror stories. But I think that what lies ahead will make the misery of the 1930s pale in comparison.

          “We are now entering the edge of a global financial superstorm, the likes of which the planet has never seen.”—Alex Jones

          “It is probably going to be the messiest, darkest time that we’ve experienced in this country. I’d be very willing to bet that.”—The Patriot Nurse

          • none

            GOOD NEWS: El Pollo de Oro
            When the Roman empire fell, many people did not believe that it had.
            It took them many years, and lead to “the dark ages”. This lasted 1000? years?
            So you will still have some time to “get ready for it”.

        • nestazhe265

          My Uncle Harrison recently got Infiniti Q50
          Sedan from only workin part time on a home computer… go to this website

      • sherlock32555

        Can’t wait for this country to go down the toilet. I’ll be glad to see the American people living in the camps because they brought this on themselves with there out right stupidity! You want the government to take care of your rear and take away your rights that our forefathers died for so you can turn it into a cesspool of liars and criminals. I’m sure at this going rate you will get just what you wished for! Like the old saying goes, be careful what you wish for you may get it. I hope the American people get it look stock and barrel! Paybacks a bitch!

        • UtahRed

          So what about people like me who have perfect credi, paid off house, savings in the bank and no credit card debt. I’m honest and hard working and educated. I’m going to go down the tubes along with the degenerates. Is that fair? Not all Americans are idiots. Careful what you say. It could just as easily happen to you.

          • nekksys

            You’ll still lose your money. Our currency isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on. Buy seeds, a good rifle, loads of ammo and learn how to use that gun. You’re gonna need it.

          • Mike Smithy

            Good advice. In addition, buy physical gold, silver, whiskey or anything else that you may be able to accumulate as leverage in a barter system. if you have the ability, get out of the city and buy some land that you can farm or ranch.

          • sherlock32555

            I’m just like you, but all you have to do is look at the stupid Americans and they show just how dumb they really are. The people are trained not to work and the government sugar daddy will take care of you until they crash this economy. Just look at our government they have brought in foreign troops and trained them to take on the American people. Then they bailed out their friends with TARP and this was not our fault but we are stuck with this bill. Where in the world is free trade? this is not, but then you can’t make people understand this.Then they allowed them to take control of health care and they are selling China the water out of the great lakes that California sure could use it and then allowing China to set up their on cities here in America and ship there workers here to run their factories. This is the tip of the iceberg. I could go on and on, but why waste my time trying to tell people that are to stupid to get it thru their thick heads what our government is doing. I’m not directing this at you but the ones that either don’t care or can’t wait to live on the streets. Take your pick.

          • hazeleyes

            NOT EVERYONE!!!!!!!!
            It’s very stupid to think 100% of anyone is anything you can name.

          • Navelkist

            Life isn’t fair. Didn’t mums and pops teach you that?

          • davidmpark

            Good to see another fellow Utahn here!

          • 2Gary2

            you are a fool and I laugh when you crash and burn. Charge up the credit cards and declare bankruptcy. Do some wealth redistribution.

            You are like the ant who works hard and when the winter comes you die along with the grasshopper. What a fool you are.

          • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse


            Now you are saying that people are fools to work hard because liberals are going to come along and take everything away from us anyway?


          • 2Gary2

            if working hard will not get you results then it seems counter productive to do this.

            I did not say liberals would take their money away. Those are your words.

          • davidmpark


            How many times have you advocated for that! Hypocrisy and projection from you every time!

            Seriously, Gary; get professional help!

          • Jeremy

            Not that we needed it, but your first paragraph shows what you are about.
            Absolutely disgusting.

          • Mondobeyondo

            Sometimes it’s hard to tell if you’re on to something, or simply ON something. LOL!!

            (just kidding)

          • 12Gary2

            sad thing is I actually know people who do this. On the one hand they are probably the smart ones-from a purely evolutionary point getting something for nothing or in this case at others expense is the way to go-(see wall street). I work hard and can barely get ahead yet they take trips etc. WTF?? who is really the smart ones. They have the good times and I go to work.

          • English Kev

            And you are a tool.

          • 2Gary2

            Hey Dawg-did you marry your partner yet? I hear gay marriage is legal in the red state of Utah. Hows that working out for ya? ha ha ha

            do you have brother wives?

          • davidmpark

            Get medicated.

          • Priszilla

            remember the banks? those who uad most debts were rescuee with taxpayers money.

            if you uave money usevit wisely. insulate your house and make yourself independent from external fuel and
            water supplies. get a well.

        • AngelQ

          NOT all of us want the government to take care of us. There are some of us that have it really bad that aren’t taking one thin dime from the government or taxpayers. You have no idea, Sherlock. Don’t lump all of us into the same turd bag. And yes, when SHTF, it is going to get ugly, but at least my husband and I are used to being without. I can’t say the same for the rest of America…

          • sherlock32555

            I do have an idea how bad it is and how bad it is going to get. I went out to the cotton fields as a child when i came home from school and worked until we could not see. Have you ever had cornbread and water to eat? Well I have because that was all their to eat. That was when we lived in Georgia and then when we moved here I went to school and came home to the flop house and cleaned apartments and this was back in the 60’s. So I believe I know what I am talking about. Just read what I posted to UtahRed above and you will understand why I said what I said. People don’t understand what our government has done to us.

        • nekksys

          HEAR HEAR!!!

        • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

          I take it that you don’t live in America?


          • sherlock32555

            My family has been here since 1641. They helped build this country. Both sides of my family did. That’s what makes me so fed up with the stupid people. My 6x’s great grandfather served under Colonel George Washington, then my 7x’s great grandfather was hung by the governor for being a traitor to the british crown! So yea I lived in the U.S. all my life! I have family that served in the senate and a president that I am ashamed to have in my family tree! Jimmy Carter! My mother called him a no good peanut picker! Does this answer your question? I feel they died for people that would give away all the freedoms that my forefathers fought and died for so that the idiots would rather live on their knees to people that lie,steal and would finish us off. I’m proud of the my ancestors! At least they tried!

        • quercus454

          Be careful what you wish for. You may think it’s great Karma, but wishing bad things on others has a Karma of it’s own.

      • GPackers

        The real Depression hasn’t even started yet. Just wait, it will happen quick. Be Prepared is the Boy Scout Motto I grew up with, better remember it!

      • Adam Martin

        Are you talking about Peter “Minimum wage should be $2 an hour” Schiff? How about Ron “dying from a lack of healthcare is freedom” Paul. I’m sure Gerald “cut impoverished people from welfare” Celente is another person they are dying to turn to. Ron Paul would have been an utter disaster in the White House. $1 trillion in cuts is passed overwhelmingly be a Tea Party Congress, but he leaves the banks alone.

    • Mondobeyondo

      Yeah, that Ron Paul, he was one crazy lunatic wasn’t he?

    • Rene Girrard

      Ron Paul is a kook. I’m radiaclly conservative, and I say Ron Paul is a bit of a nut. Libertarians think that liberty comes by flaunting the rule of law. They think hookers and blow are OK. They think everybody should be able to have their own pot farm in their backyard and smoke their own stuff. Libertarians are NOT the answer. Thank you very much.

      • Syrin

        We would be better off having those things than a militarized police state, DHS, TSA groping us at every location.

        • I agree but Paul is not going to end that. We are.

          • GSOB

            Well, to lead you need to have at least a set of ideas.
            Planks to your platform.

            Paul’s idea’s are noteworthy.

        • GSOB

          Combine ACA screening with TSA screening.

          Save money.

      • There is nothing wrong with hemp. The reason I do not like him is because he wants to put all safety nets on the chopping block for destruction while more and more jobs are being outsourced and replaced with crap ones.

      • sth_txs

        Conservative is just another variation of statist. You probably love the foreign wars but won’t pay more taxes for them or send your child to die in one.

        As for rule of law, where is that these days? Am I flaunting the law when I have to remove the EPA mandated gas spout so I can actually poor gasoline into my lawnmower? Or is the rule of law being followed every time a cop tasers someone for not complying with a command?

        By the way, Romney now thinks global warming is caused by us pathetic humans. Good thing we have Republicans around for a real choice.

        As for your perception of libertarians, thanks for showing how little you know. I don’t like drugs but do think people have a right to their person. If others choose to ostracize them because of those choices, well, too bad for them. But as a conservatard, I guess you are ok with the FDA approved drugs that have a track record of killing people after the pharm companies make a few million?

        • Rene Girrard

          I guess you’re OK with abortion too.

          • Gay Veteran

            who owns your body? You? Or Big Government?

          • TtT Engine

            On loan from God, the author of the universe. Love and respect the life God gave you !

          • sth_txs

            I have mixed feelings about abortion. If there are less Trayvon Martins and other ghetto people regardless of color because of it, then that can be a good thing.

            I’m not able to reach RP’s Zen/Christian qualities to regard all life as equal. I’m tired of paying for the terminally stupid to breed. He does articulate his position very well and I admire that about him. Besides, where has the GOP ever done anything serious about abortion?

            But as a conservatard, you are ok with children being slaughtered in stupid wars so the corporations can make a few bucks. Also, no Republican has come out and ever properly investigated or tried anyone for the murder of innocents at Waco of whom many were children, so I’m at a loss why abortion would matter to a ‘radical’ conservative.

            Since conservatives believe in ‘rule of law’ which is a joke in itself, the RP supporters followed all the petty GOP rules at the local, state, and national level and were illegally cheated out of their due.

            I doubt you have the intellectual honesty to admit that, so please don’t get on the moral high horse with the issue of abortion.

            The treatment of RP by the GOP is a disgrace and I will never vote for someone because they claim to be a Republican.

          • 2Gary2

            the conservative leaders could care less about the silly little social conservative agenda and use the average conservative as cannon fodder. The conservative leadership (when they are sober) will throw the average conservative social agenda under the bus in a new york minute. The average conservative is way too stupid to see they are simply being used.

            I find it amusing to watch .

          • davidmpark

            And your side’s pretty much fallen to pieces. Bengazi deaths and abandonment, IRS targeting, illegal FBI investigation, Fast and Furious, over-blowing a barely government shutdown, killing the economy on purpose, and so on, and so on.

            We need a list of how many have died as a result from Obama and his entourage, progressives, and liberals. With names and ages of the murder victims.

            What’s your bet in the hundreds of thousands worldwide by now.

            And no point blaming Bush or Cheney for it: Obama took over in January 2009 – any deaths and scandals after that date are Obama’s.

          • Call me crazy, but….

            You people and your right-left paradigm. Do you honestly think there is a difference? I’m sure the government is quite pleased to see people like you bicker at each other about nonsense like this. The real problem is BOTH of them. In order for a bird to fly, it takes a LEFT wing and a RIGHT wing. Machiavelli at it’s finest. Divide and conquer. Both parties are responsible for the demise of this country. Different methods of destruction, same outcome.

          • davidmpark

            And who said I give a care about right and left? I ain’t either. I side with the constitution and civilization. Politics is only my discourse with the society where I live – nothing more.

            You guys wanna kill yourselves – that’s your choice. My first and foremost responsibility is to my wife and kids. Not your ideologies.

          • 12Gary2

            I believe I was discussing how your conservative leaders keep throwing your silly little social conservative agenda under the bus and how conservatives keep foolishly voting for them when it is clearly in their financial interests to vote liberal.

            I see mittens is now say8ing global warming is man made. He was your sides pick.

          • davidmpark

            “Mittens” was not my pick! MY side has no pick! I am NOT conservative, libertarian, liberal progressive, etc, etc. I have bones to pick with both sides and the center – but your Leftist side, 12Gary2, I have a personal, particular interest in ending. 🙂

            MY side wants politico’s to behave themselves and follow constitutional law to maximize civilization; to back off from me caring for my family. I have no political leaders!

            Try listening next time.

          • El Pollo de Oro

            “The problem with American conservatism is that it hates the left more than the state, loves the past more than liberty, feels a greater attachment to nationalism than to the idea of self-determination.”—Lew Rockwell

            “Why are mainline conservatives so into getting gangraped? Why do they love getting conned? They worship the corporate fascists so much. It’s just insane.”—Alex Jones

      • Drud

        Not at all, Rene. Libertarians simply believe, as Jacob Hornburger so eloquently put it: “If you are not free to act wrongly and irresponsibly, then you are not free at all.” Libertarians simply recognize the fact that laws do not stop amoral behavior. More and more laws always lead to more and more lawlessness.

        • Rene Girrard

          So you want more hookers and blow?

          • Drud

            I don’t understand? There are currently laws against hookers and blow and they are still widely in demand (often used by the highest lawmakers of the land) and widely in use. I am in favor of more liberty. Period. I know you will remain unconvinced, but liberty does the most good for the most people. Any other path always,and I mean always, leads to tyranny, most often despite good intentions.

          • Gay Veteran

            blow? well Prohibition worked really well, didn’t it?

          • 2Gary2

            hey don’t diss hoes. Yes hoeing should be legal as should cocaine. They go together-just ask the average conservative family values cheating on his wife this. You may need to go to rehab to find him though.

      • Malcolm Reynolds

        You’re not radically conservative, you’re GOP conservative. You sound like you just want YOUR version of big govt. You people are just as much NOT the answer as democrats are.

        • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

          Not too many mainstream Republicans can actually be described as “conservatives” these days.


          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Ain’t that the truth brother.

      • Gay Veteran

        yeah, we need Big Government to run the nanny state

    • davidmpark

      Disagree about one sentiment…

      Ron Paul was not our last hope.

      Each individual is.

      Dr. Paul may have been in a good position as a Congressman, but it took a lot of individuals voting him into that position. There are plenty of good people out there and some who visit here regularly that can do the job just as well.

      When the individual gives up and allows themselves to be taken to the next internment camps is when we loose our last hope.

      When the individual decides to exercise their authority and accept their responsibility, then there is hope. When many do this at once to restore their nation – there is success.

      • Drud

        That is so true. The power of both liberty and a real free market lies with the individual. Forcing people into groups is how tyranny begin. There is a scene at the beginning of Hotel Rwanda where two patrons at a bar are members of separate groups and neither is really sure why. The British invaders had separated them into arbitrary groups when they came a-conquering. Of course they did, a united people would be a dangerous enemy, but a two groups who could be kept at each others’ throats with rhetoric and imagined differences would be easy to control. Huh? Sound a little bit like the Republicans and the Democrats?

        • davidmpark

          Divide and conquer.

      • Mondobeyondo

        “We the People”…

        • davidmpark


    • Mondobeyondo

      Ron Paul is not a “kook”. Anytime you attempt to take a stand against the establishment, against what you know is right, you are going to be persecuted.

    • Jodi

      That’s what the media does best!

    • Lexxs

      When it was revealed that Ron Paul counted KKK white racists among his inner circle he last my interest.

      • sth_txs

        The racism smear was total garbage and never happened. There is no evidence of RP being a racist. And KKK as in inner circle? Where you do get this garbage from? This is the same media that gave Senator Robert Byrd a pass for being an admitted KKK member.

        • Lexxs

          There are pictures of him with these low lifes, and quotes from them about him and vice versa. Folks like you often try to bury the truth by simply lying and denying it.

    • el guapo

      Totally agree.

    • muttkat1 .

      He had a good running start and then the media blacked him out and all those smart ones voted for the Kenyan again. sigh

  • garyisaloser

    What happened? Well, Gary happened.

  • not me!

    Hope and Change? I voted for Ron Paul! Twice!

    • He is just as much a clown as Obama and the rest of them.

      • Mark Caldwell

        Yeah, the media loved him… (sarc)

      • Eric Quintero

        Simple Question: Why? Please explain.

      • Killer Virus

        The narrative that people like you keep saying that he is crazy, I’d like to see you link one thing he has ever said that was crazy. Unedited.

        • I never said he was crazy..I just said he was a clown! I do not like any of those politicians and do not trust them. I believe in normal people not the 1%ers running our country. They may pretend that they are going to do all these great things but we always find out later that they lied about everything. This is because they are super wealthy and are only going to cater to them while screwing the rest of us. They want us to be their subservients.

          • Killer Virus

            So why don’t you throw out a 99%er that you would elect? Whether you agree with him or not, In his whole career he never diverted from his ideals which is more than I can say for most people, let alone a politician. Comparing this man to a liar like Obama really makes you the clown.

          • Obama is a clown too. They are all working for the corporations and bankers. They don’t care about us.

          • GSOB

            You remind me of Catherine in the movie Cats and Dogs.

          • LOL . I guess you are right!

          • GSOB

            If there ever were a politician you could trust, it would be Ron Paul.

        • doofus

          He’s not crazy, just controlled opposition….see Alan Watt…

    • Jim Davis

      The only thing that kept me from voting for him was his Republican affiliation. If he would have been independent/third party I would have voted for him. I have no interest in registering as a Republican and voting in their rigged primary system. I am still wondering how they announced McCain the winner so early in the process.

  • AB

    Why only worry about America, a vacation home for European Bankers. Look around in every country the story is no different.

  • rkb100100

    People wanted something for nothing and thought it was fine – thats what happened.

  • JailBanksters

    You know your on the road to roota when you ask a hobo on a street corner for change.

  • cherylmeril

    The lady’s letter shows she was living in the old school mindset of believing a job secured her financial future.

  • Mondobeyondo

    I think… I think… wait, I can’t think.
    Well, I can.
    I think we have Serious Issues that aren’t being addressed – from top to bottom. From President Obama to the guy on the street.

    Not to worry. You either address them now voluntarily, or you will be forced to do so, involuntarily, in the future.

  • Colin

    I have been reading history magazines and listening to historical documentaries since I was a child. It seems to me that the idea of a middle class was a recent innovation, for most of human history, there were the few but powerful, wealthy, people who belonged to a “club” and there was everyone else who didn’t belong to the “club”. I think the middle class as an idea and as a reality is dying slowly throughout the world. However, there is a bright side to this. If some people are right, within a century or two, we are going to see horrific changes to our terrestrial spaceship which might see major changes in our global civilization and might bring about a balance. From the bad, there can arise the potential for the good. One can only hope.

    • toadsticker

      I have noticed since the 90’s that the well to do have been separating from the general populace. You don’t see them in public anymore. The rich and powerful didn’t get where they are because they are stupid. They have seen what is coming and they have been preparing, as well. They will be more prepared then the average person. They have more layers of insulation to ward off this economic winter season. They will weather it better than most.

  • piccadillybabe

    The reason everything is collapsing is because the middle class was/is America. When there were good jobs, the middle class had purchasing power and supported the economy and kept it alive and well. Now that there are no more good stable jobs, the whole economy collapsing.

  • Alan

    Here is a quick and easy political solution for fixing the middle class. Simply lower the the poverty line by 50% but make it a complicated way to figure it out so the average person won’t know what happened. This will effectively make the middle class larger, at the same time lift people out of poverty. I should run for CONgress. /sac

    • Drud

      You needn’t use the /sarc tag. I have little doubt this tactic has been and is being discussed.

    • quercus454

      Heck they do it with unemployment numbers, illegal alien numbers and inflation. It’s only a matter of time.

  • Rene Girrard

    In early 2009 I went to the Lord in prayer about Obamacare. The Lord spoke clearly to me (not an audible voice), and He said, “It will pass, but it won’t have any teeth to it.” This was before they tried to get it to pass in the senate with 60 votes. The democrats later lowered the bar to 50 votes.

    • Tim

      It won’t have any teeth to it? Really? Look at how destructive Obamacare has already been. Millions of Americans have received cancellation notices from their insurance carriers. Others have seen their premiums and deductibles skyrocket. And this is just the beginning. Wait until other provisions of Obamacare go into effect.

  • Quagmeyer

    Ron Paul was our only chance at real hope and change, but now we have the opposite. A heavy price will be paid by the sheeple. Hillary will be voted in next by the idiots and that should pretty much be the death of this country. Good luck

    • Drud

      Huge Ron Paul fan myself and wrote him in the last election, but the real chance for this country was in ’92 with Perot. That really was a vote to keep the same 2-party system and to stay on the same destructive path.

  • chilller

    In the book Aftershock, author Wiedemer describes “STEPS” in which a country’s growth depends. Science is turned into Technology which fuels the Economy and is governed by Politics which ultimately affects Society. Unfortunately, thanks to the Political aspect, the STEPS are broken. No matter how great a Technology derived from Science, our Political arm makes sure their corporate masters are the only ones who benefit by sending the Economic aspects of any Scientifically developed Technologies overseas to fuel THEIR Economies and not our own.
    Our planet has been divided up by the “Greedys” into intellectual, manufacturing and distribution centers that profit them most. It’s all about them and zero consideration is given to country’s, their sovereignty, their people.
    Considering all the lazy frogs on the hotplate…chances are most will be too cooked long before they realize it’s time to jump off…

  • Selaretus

    Oboob could care less about us. He is more interested in keeping the TBTF making a killing on free Fed money. That is his idea of ‘recovery’.

  • americalsgt

    Things do seem to be getting worse, but I feel part of the problem began with the proliferation of legalized gambling. Does anyone out there have a number on the amount of money the American middle class puts into a Fellows machine each week? Gambling, and especially Video slots, are a tax on stupidity.

  • k

    Part of the reason for so much consumer debt is a lot of people buying houses even when they dint have a decent job or sometimes no job.

  • jakartaman

    2nd memo to President:
    Socialism does not work!

    • Joe Shmo

      That depends on what you want it to do. It works just fine if you want to “Fundamentally Transform” America. And remember, people actually ASKED for this.

  • DogHouse Worthy

    Ezekiel 14 begins

  • Doghouseworthy

    Please Read Ezekiel Chapter 14 to answer your question “what in the world is happening to us?”

    • davidmpark

      And Isaiah 3.

  • ZZZ

    What will “they” do without the middle class? The economy will tank, society will no longer be sustained, keeping people locked up or encamped is costly. Will there be a systematic ‘killing-off’ of the population? If so, who will do the grunt work that keeps “them” in the lifestyle they demand? I am serious with my questions – I do not doubt the attack on the middle class – I just am having trouble seeing the end-game.

    At present middle class in America constitutes anywhere from 25% to 66% of households. That’s a lot of people.

    Perhaps it all will be brought to the very brink – and someone will step in with a global solution. He will be revered as a kind of savior the world will unquestionably embrace.

    Someone like: …and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. [2 Thessalonians CH 2]

    • Larue

      You do realize that in other parts of the country there is extreme poverty and starvation. Yet people in those countries do not quote bible verses about how there suffering will lead to the rising of the antichrist.

      Life is a crap shoot. You get born and it is a constant struggle for most until the day we die. Our country and all societies as a whole were built on the backs of slave labor. Whether it was the Chinese building the railroads or the slaves in Egypt building the pyramids and on and on.

      It is just the natural order of things. A few exploit the many and benefit handsomely.

      The only difference is that in America people used to be able to work hard and make a better life for themselves and their families. They could elevate their status in life with ingenuity, luck and people actually gave other people a chance and did not just base it on having a worthless piece of paper that said you had a degree. If you were a go getter you could be anything.

      Now technology has leveled this playing field and average people are now being held back because not as many people are required to do jobs anymore. It is just a reality. As technology advances it replaces people and these people are back to struggling to make ends meet, etc.

      Not to mention all the government B.S. that sucks the dollars you do manage to earn right from your pocket.

      It is and has always been a dog eat dog world. America had it good for so long and now we are becoming just like the other countries around the world. God will not magically come down and change things. It is up to the people to do that for themselves.

      However most in the US are selfish and self serving and won’t do anything until it directly affect them or people they love and care about.

      Unfortunately not enough people are affected at the same time so change is decades away and most of us will pass on before seeing this happen.

      • Eric Quintero

        I disagree. The dollar collapse is deepening. One can see it. Its everywhere.

        The gap between rich and poor widens. More homeless on the street. More $100K cars.

        However, those $100k cars are relying on artificial stimulus in the markets. The markets are false and soon the truth will come to light.

        It will happen in our lifetimes. I used to think the collapse was decades away. Looking at whats going on tho…it appears to be coming much sooner than later.

    • Adrian

      The elites have an exit plan: foreign markets. They no longer are bound to/need the US workforce. Camden, NJ is an example to what awaits vast portions of the US.

  • How Not To Play The Game

    Everyone that I know is one paycheck away from being homeless. It used to be two paychecks away. But the slack got removed. As it always does. Man has always been ruled over by the minds of juveniles. Always.

  • Trailer Park Investor

    America is dying
    But Obummer Don’t care
    as that’s his job.
    And he’s really, REALLY GOOD AT IT…

    • Adrian

      Who do you think selected Obama to run in the first place? Don’t you know that those elites wouldn’t pick someone who would not do their bidding for them? Bank bailouts, health care ‘reform’ where the insurance industry wrote the legislation, and uses government to coerce people to buy their product?

  • DJohn1

    Who pays the bills if the Middle Class becomes extinct?
    The corporations long ago figured out how to pay no taxes or nearly no taxes.
    The welfare people do not have the cash to pay taxes.
    The rich have their money in off shore accounts. So they pay little if any taxes.
    Who does the work of keeping every day things repaired and going?
    If more than 15% of the population gets money for not working, then the entire system falls apart until the 15/85% ratio re-establishes itself. That is the balance of worker/non-worker population. We have approximately a 50/50 ratio right now.
    Something has to give . . .
    The balance has to re-establish itself.
    Who are the rich and how did they get that way?
    If push comes to shove it was inherited wealth.
    They never earned it. They lucked out by being born into it.
    That is important! Because most of your representatives in Congress are rich people.
    Most have a degree in law.
    Most have above average intelligence. They also have college degrees and often masters degrees in different areas of study. It is not all bad news there. But they also have access to one on one tutoring for most of their lives in anything they need to know.
    Who are the poor? Is there a common denominator here?
    How many have a REAL 8th grade education?
    How many have a REAL High School education.
    How many have gone all the way to a college degree?
    I consider myself of average intelligence. Nothing really special. I work with what I have to work with and never ever run from my problems.
    I have a Real Estate License. I have been an ad builder for many years and can put together an ad that will sell products. I started as a hot type printer with a six year apprenticeship.
    Over the years I have re-learned my trade about 6 times to keep up with computers and technology. At best I get about 80% of it right the first time around. What I do is go back and re-learn anything I don’t get the first time.
    This year I installed a garage door opener for the first time on my own. I am 71 years old.
    I did this because I cannot afford someone to do it for me.
    This year I repaired a very leaky very old bathroom fiaucet. It doesn’t leak. I cannot afford a plumber.
    Sometime this Spring, I am going to replace a starter on a 97 Honda Accord with low mileage of about 120,000 miles. Don’t want to pay someone to do it for me. I got the starter priced at $90 with a $20 core charge that I can get back. So I save a few bucks a week until I can pay for it.
    I just repaired the gasoline Snowblower. It had broken belt. If I waited for someone to do it for me it would probably be late spring for it got done.
    Just repaired the electric blower as a backup.
    My point being that we all have things going wrong all over the place. If I owned that RV and was living in it, I would be figuring out how to insulate it for the cold winter weather. R-13 in the walls or on the walls comes to mind. I would figure out a way to pay for it somehow, even if I had to go door to door and shovel snow for money. I would be looking for an alternate heat supply for it. But that takes money you don’t have.
    My answer to people is get on your knees and pray. Get your own soul and house in order. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and all your soul. I am religious. I do believe in both Jesus Christ and his Father our Lord God.
    Follow what he tells you to do. Nothing he tells you to do will be against the basic ten commandments and his rules of behavior in the Bible. If it does you are listening to the Devil not God.
    Tell him to get away from you.
    We have a real problem in this country. It won’t get solved by pissing and moaning. It will get solved by people that do not accept defeat.
    My own answer is not for everyone. But despite everything that has ever gone wrong in my life, I listen when God gives me answers. That is the way I have chosen to go.
    I am far from perfect. Probably never will be.
    I know a man that went through the Great Depression of the 30s. He lived for many years in a 3 apartment duplex. He was 80 when he sold it and moved into a nice house in a good district.
    At the time in the mid 80s, he told me he rented apartments for $200 cash due every month on the 5th of the month. He provided the electric and heat and the water for that back then. I think it would take at least $450 or $500 to break even on those apartments today. It was a building over 100 years old and he was skilled at keeping the building together. The point is those renters could not afford anything better. He was very choosy on who he would rent to. But those renters paid the bills and he had the place paid off years before I met him.
    In today’s world, I think he would run into multiple problems with Equal Opportunity people. They would try to force him to rent to people that wouldn’t pay their rent. And that is what is wrong.
    He got out before that could happen.
    This country needs to get back to supporting those that want to work and paying them what they are worth.
    It needs a conservation company and everyone on welfare has to work at it for a minimal amount of time doing something for what they receive. The end of getting things for nothing has to come if we are to survive.
    We need to stop the companies from hiring the work away to countries that do not pay income taxes on those wages.
    But reform is going to be a tough sell. It is necessary if we have any hope of bringing this country back.

    • kim

      You are awesome and testament to the American Way of doing not waiting for someone to do something for you.

      Look at Sochi Russia right now and how terrible the conditions are for the Olympics. This is a crystal ball into the future of America with people waiting for the government and other people to do for them and help them.

      Here is an example: in my neighborhood the hilly roads are beautiful until we get snow and them sub zero temps which turn everything into a sheet of ice. This makes it impossible to get up even a small incline to your own driveway. The side streets are plowed (sometimes) but this does not take care of the ice. My husband and I buy 150 pounds of snow melt (about twenty bucks or so) and sprinkle it on the ice from our driveway down to the end of the street, just so we can make the road passable. No one at the tippy top of the hill or on any of the other streets will do this (heck most won’t even shovel their driveways). I guess my point is that if all the neighbors pitched in and took care of the problem and each bought one bag of salt the road would be 100% clear and safer to drive on.

  • bigskyman

    You know what is real sad? Both my bank accounts are negative, all our credit cards are maxed and the only way I am going to make it is when I get my “refund” back on taxes which is nothing more than a government give me because of the EITC rules that allow one to get money for just being poor. My wife and I cannot afford food and are living out of our pantry. We cannot get Food stamps because the people who run the system look at our self employment income and said we made to much this last year even though it all went for start up costs and other expenses for the new business that we started last June.
    I had to quit my grocery job as I could not afford to support my family on $9.25 an hour. We found wild apple trees and made over 100 quarts of apple sauce. Politely asked if we could pick peoples plum and pear trees to make sauces as well Accepted potatoes from the surplus of other peoples gardens to put in the pantry and grew our own as well.. My wife and I now only eat meat once a week in order to economize and stay healthy. We use cloth diapers for our baby and make all our own baby food. We are planning a big garden this year and intend to forage wild apple trees and berries. We buy food on sale and go to the food bank in our local county when all the effort is not enough. We buy oatmeal and beans by the 25 # sack and eat a lot them. We cannot afford peanut butter so my wife cooks beans and we put a garlic bean spread on bread for our sandwiches. Thank God for the food Bank. We use baking soda to wash our hair and my wife’s favorite cleaner is vinegar. When I start up the business again this March times will get better. I am trusting God for help and we will continue to live like this as we want to pay off all of the credit cards. We are grateful for what we have……… so many have it worse. Blessings to all that struggle, we know how you feel. Life has been hard for us since 2008. Just this summer we had two set backs. Bought a small truck for the bz with a good motor but after 4 months of use the frame cracked and found out it was rotted to the point that it could not be fixed! Then I bought a truck from a “friend” with 60 thousand miles on it in September and blew the motor 2 days after I got it! He refused to give back any of the money. Anyway not to complain but starting a business without capital is not easy but it can be done. We are determined that we will find a way to prosper in this economy.

  • GMA213

    What in the world is happening to us?
    One of the goals of socialism is to DESTROY the middle class. So far, so good.

    • FirstGarden

      Certainly that is a goal of Marxism, i.e. anti-capitalism.
      But socialism? Perhaps you mean the NWO agenda?

      • Adrian

        Yes, in a sense. The goal of Marxism was to create a classless society. In doing so all classes would be destroyed, so to speak.

        • FirstGarden

          Funny, in all systems of government, the cream ends up rising to the top. Even Marxist states. All the percs, privileges & bennies go to the communist party.

          I suggest this is a human problem.

          • Adrian

            No, I would not agree the cream always rises to the top. I wouldn’t call people like Glen Beck, Sarah Palin, GW Bush, etc. the cream of the crop, but they’re certainly at the top. Look at all the movie celebs and athletes who are at the top, yet know nothing and contribute nothing meaningful. Look at our professors and teachers, underpaid, underappreciated.

          • FirstGarden

            Adrian, perhaps you misunderstood me. By cream, I meant money, assets & such, not people.

          • Adrian

            Well, certainly it does, as money is the resource that makes politics necessary, if we define politics in the age-old: who gets what, when, and how? Marxism was coopted by the Soviet elites who had everything and the rest of society had very little. I’d point to Western Europe and Canada as the regions where true democracy has established a way to harness free market capitalism to work for all citizens. In the US I would say capitalism has morphed into fascism light, what Sheldon Wolin calls inverted totalitarianism.

          • FirstGarden

            Adrian – here’s the definition of politics:

            Poly in Greek mean “many”.

            Tics = parasites.

            Many parasites.

          • Adrian

            Yes, not many would disagree with you, considering Congressional approval is now hovering around 9%.

    • Adrian

      Totally false. Look at all the social democracies in Western Europe and what do you see? A STRONG middle class. Who votes for the social democrats? Why the middle class themselves.

  • FirstGarden

    Greece – Part II

  • Ross

    A letter like this only serves to warm the heart of our president Barry Soetorro.

  • bigskyman

    makes me wonder how people are going to pay for $4 to $6 a gallon propane. That would be about $2000 to fill my tank.

    • Azrael

      Maybe they should live in much smaller houses that are much better built, not in enormous chicken sheds – and i’m being generous here.

  • Nick

    There are solutions to this, and they are to liquidate all the legislatures of incumbents. Do not vote for a republican or democrat. Vote only for those who swear that they will abide the oath of office. Have anyone who runs for office swear that they will revitalize the Militia so that corrupt judges, sheriffs, and prosecutors can be arrested by the only law enforcement authority stated in the Constitution. Kick the EPA out of the state and begin prosecuting their activity. Revoke all the H1 visas, and start the deportation of illegal immigrants. Stop legal immigration. Make it easier for small business to compete with places such as WalMart. And on, and on.

  • FirstGarden

    “In 60 B.C., Rome was a superpower. It had a professional army, which was superb, but also a heavy drain upon the treasury. Rome had also allowed two great threats to grow up on her frontiers—one was in central Europe, the tribes of Germans and Gauls, and the other was Iran. In less than a century Iran had grown from a divided and weak country into an economic powerhouse with a superb army, much underrated by the Romans. Iran held a great deal of Roman debt, and Rome had a huge negative trade imbalance with Iran. (Think China.)

    “This lack of foresight by the Romans in foreign policy was matched by their lack of foresight in fiscal matters. It was the belief of the most profound thinkers of antiquity, like Plato and Aristotle, that democracies are inherently fiscally irresponsible. The Athenian statesman Pericles (leader from 461 to 420 B.C.) was said to be the first politician to understand the true mechanism of power in a democracy: to get the people to bribe themselves with their own money—creating massive entitlements. This had also come to be true in Rome—the entitlements of the Roman citizens included everything from free food to free entertainment in the form of gladiatorial games and chariot races…

    ” ..even with the taxes from the provincials, the Roman treasury was empty in the year 60 B.C. In fact, it had a huge debt. The public debt was matched only by the massive private debt. Every Roman seemed to think he had an unlimited ability to borrow money. This was also true of the Roman Senate.

    Bill after bill was brought forward to balance the budget and to pay down the debt. Massive infusions of money into the economy had no effect. Every sensible bill was blocked by the bitter partisan politics in the Senate.”

    • FirstGarden

      I have to question my own post, haha. All this makes a lot of sense, except for the line that describes democracy as “inherently fiscally irresponsible.”

      Is it the ideology? Or is it the people themselves, i.e., the human heart.

      I see many Republicans today being fiscally irresponsible. Who’s voting for fiscal insanity and singing, “Tra la la la let’s live for today”?

      Both parties. No one wants to be the grinch who stole Christmas, so they will continue to run up the credit card until..

      • Anonymous

        I think if money stopped disappearing and being unaccounted for, we would see that there is plenty of money.

      • Eric Quintero

        Havent you heard?


        • FirstGarden


  • Rufus T Firefly

    Just how is that woman’s situation from Abe Lincoln growing up 200 years ago? He didn’t have electricity or running water. Had to hunt those vampires too.

    • Eric Quintero

      The Vampires are back. Sucking the life out of every nation on Earth.

  • Priszilla

    Just got a “factoid email”: there are 18.6 million vacant houses in America, enough for every homeless to have 6.

    no source for that”factoid”

    • FirstGarden

      Could this be the beginning of a great leveling?

    • tex may

      I believe it came from Michael

    • Adrian

      It’s from Amnesty International. I will supply a link below.

  • truthyness

    Three words that describe why you are in this mess, “your devoted constituent”. If you thought barack HUSSEIN obama gives a crap about you, then maybe this is the begining of a horrible wake up call. Only Jesus saves, not an antichrist president, but hey…keep votin’ democratic right??

  • Navelkist

    Ross Perot called this 25 years ago. The giant sucking sound. YouTube it.

    • FirstGarden

      Whooooshhhhhhhh. Yeah, I still hear it. Only it’s not coming from just Mexico, but from Canada, the far east, and all over the planet.

      • Anonymous

        The sucking sound is loudest from D.C.

        • FirstGarden

          Or mayhap the illuminati, wherever their haunt lies.

    • El Pollo de Oro

      “We have got to stop sending jobs overseas.”—Ross Perot in 1992

      “If you don’t care about anything but
      making money, there will be a giant sucking sound going south.”—Ross Perot in 1992

    • Adrian

      You tube it? I’m 37 and I remember when he said it!

    • quercus454

      Both Ross Perot and Ron Paul did their best to warn us, but the powers that be pushed them out. Another man who carried the message was Sir James Goldsmith.

  • Azrael

    “What in the world is happening to us?”
    Simple, you have been living way above your means for the last 75 years and now has come the time to pay the price.
    Nothing special, all imperialist countries have gone thru the same process in the last century, now it’s your turn.

  • Adam

    Michael is too dumb to know that rising energy costs and peak oil are the main causes of the global economy collapsing. Idiot.


      peak oil, bwhahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

    • k

      While i disagree with you that michael is dumb…since a lot reasons mentioned are also causing global slowdown, i agree that rising energy costs are also doing their part….a very big part.

      Michael needs to talk about it more.

      Speculation in oil futures trading, is a big cause of those high energy prices

    • Libsare Ajoke

      ha, funny one, thanks for the good laugh

    • Eric Quintero

      $400+ Trillion tied to Derivatives.
      70% service based economy.
      We sent our manufacturing base to China.
      The Fed is printing money like the Weimer Republic.

      Energy is only a small part of the Elephant.

      Thank you for your narrow perspective.

      • Adam

        Oil is the main reason for the banking collapse in 2008. Oil costs are also the main reaosn why companies are not expanding or are laying off. Oil is the main reason for food and gas prices being much higher. All of these reasons I just listed are hurting countries and making them take on massive debt to keep going. I win, idiot. Oh, and human overpopulation is the worst problem of all, but good ole crazy Christian Michael will never admit that.

        • Eric Quintero

          Subprime lending is what caused the banking collapse in 2008.

          Outsourcing jobs and hyper capitalism are the main reason companies are shrinking here in the United States.

          Commodities Futures trading is the main reason for food prices increasing.

          You watch too many YouTube documentaries, my friend.

          The Petro Dollar is just one piece of the puzzle.

          I recommend you spend some more time on this website before you make broad generalizations and write everyone off as idiots.

          If you would like you can back up your theory with facts,


          you can continue to foam at the mouth with your childlike analysis of the problem.

  • Ram

    In discussions for over 20 years we tackled topics like abortion, capital punishment, health insurance, stock markets, precious metals, job security, homosexuality, too much government, political scandals, wars and rumors of wars, pensions, NWO, spiritual matters, and more I cannot list here but one issue always came up with my learned friend…what seems to be the ultimate goal to achieve through all the individual parts? As I said at the beginning we came up with the same conclusion every time we talked for over 20 years of discussions.
    Every issue; every problem; and every so called solution always was firmly aimed at the breaking of the Middle Class of society. Isn’t it interesting that the current president said he would fundamentally change American society. How to do that? Kill the independence and self supporting ability of the Middle Class. Erode their income and drive them to require government assistance and you can then control their actions and behavior and ultimately their whole lives. I and others believe this is the purpose behind countless seemingly insignificant events that step-by-step and straw-upon-straw are totally aimed at this one key objective.
    Break the independent “camels” back and you can lead them where you want even if they would prefer not to go that way.
    Independent self sufficient people can influence decisions; people on food stamps “CAN NOT” and “DO NOT” and they know this.
    Enough said!!

  • Gay Veteran

    hey Pharisee, how many unwanted babies have YOU adopted?
    kicking prayer out of school? there will be prayer in school as long as there are algebra tests. Oh! you meant state-sponsored prayer, yeah that got banned

    • davidmpark

      Funny how leftists demand that their victims be perfect before debating them. How many human beings have you saved? Oh, right – you don’t do them to live, or you wouldn’t be calling them “unwanted babies”.

      Hypocrisy and projection; left’s motus operandi.

      • Gay Veteran

        hey Einstein, if a woman gives up her child for adoption then it is indeed an unwanted baby. you need to adopt (accept a burden) before you impose your will on someone and force them to give birth.

        The 2 main characteristics of today’s right? blind rage and self-pity

        • davidmpark

          No, adoption means it’s wanted.

          And I don’t need to explain why I can’t; you know very well the state won’t due to my wife’s disability – their rules, not mine.

          And how many times do I need to reiterate: I’m not right wing; politically, I’m a jerk. The right wing can deal with their own mistakes. “Blind rage and self-pity”? How ’bout the left’s hypocrisy and projection. And since you’d prefer to ignore what I’ve already told you, I guess ignorance also works into that motus operandi.

          I side with civilization, the constitution, and the God that always came to me in desperate hours. That is where my loyalty stays. If guys like me ever got into government, both left and right would be ruined. 🙂

          • Gay Veteran

            uh, the adopted child certainly was not wanted by the birth mother.
            I’ll agree with you about liberal’s hypocrisy. As Gerald Celente says, the right actually believes the garbage they spec, the left just flat out LIES. Thought projection is a right-wing characteristic.

          • davidmpark

            Leftists do the projection. Rightists do the self-harm.

          • Gay Veteran

            sorry but projection is a major characteristic of the right.
            and no one is talking about killing actual babies that could be adopted

          • davidmpark

            “and no one is talking about killing actual babies that could be adopted”

            And there lies the first part of the problem. The adults do need to talk about it openly.

            And no – most of the right wing doesn’t project their crimes on their opponents; they do chop their own to bits when a scandal is revealed, however. This is more self-harm as a whole; not defined as projection.

          • Eric Quintero

            The 60th day past conception should be the cut off.

            The pineal gland develops on the 60th day. This is the gland that produces DMT, the Spirit Molecule.

            DMT is responible for audio and visual hallucinations (Dreams). It also helps process visual and auditory information during waking states.

            The Tibetan Monks understand this. They say they Spirit enters the body on the 60th day.

            Prior to the 60th day, the organism is a collection of cells and has a high chance of miscarriage. Beyond the 60th day, the soul is present and true life exists within the tiny human.

          • davidmpark

            Should be before conception. Any loss of children is tragedy for a civilization.

      • Priszilla

        the simple question is always what the pro life brigade is doing about those who are alive.
        or wther they are just interested in making as many living without caring about their survival.

        • davidmpark

          Open up the raw materials! Let us work! Get out of the way and allow men and women to be providers for children. It’s what’s been done for thousands of years! It’s not hard to understand – it’s called “family”.

          • Priszilla

            Ever tried recycling?

            Get to the landfills and scrapyards. Look at all the airplanes in the desert.

            There are tons and tons and tons of material to be salvaged.

    • TtT Engine

      Prayer in public school is long gone, check into it. They interrupt a h.s. football game over it. Allowing a person to pray is not state sponsored prayer. This is called freedom of religion. Only in China and the like is religion in public denied. Many schools are now eliminating the “Pledge of Allegiance” because lefties don’t believe in it. Leftism reigns,… for now.

      • Gay Veteran

        When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.

        • TtT Engine

          Christ was talking about the scribes and Pharisees who where phonies. They talked the talk but did not walk the walk. Sorry, Mr. Gay Veteran, our country was founded on freedom of religion, which includes being able to pray in public. The only prohibition was that the state could not declare a national religion. Nice try. Christianity welcomed homosexuals out of the closet into the community and it is many of the gays like you trying to force Christianity into the closet. Keep kicking God and Christians to the curb and see what else comes our way. Christi Fidelis !

          • Gay Veteran

            How very convenient for YOU that YOUR interpretation is that Christ was ONLY talking about the scribes and Pharisees.

            What is up with you religious types that you want to inflict your prayers on people who aren’t interested in them??? Are there no churches for you to pray in? No homes? You just have to be like those scribes and Pharisees, trying to impress others with your piety.

            “…Christianity welcomed homosexuals out of the closet into the community….”

            SOME Christians did, many others did their best to tyrannize us.

          • TtT Engine

            Christ’s entire ministry was a public one, not a secret society. Christ offered it to everyone and forced it on no one. This is the U.S.A., not communist China. We do not have to pray in private. Allowing a person or group of people to pray in public , including public schools, is the definition of freedom of religion and what our country was founded on. Check your history. The Continental Congress used to open with a prayer. Sit down and read your Karl Marx while the prayer is being recited, THAT is your First Amendment right. No problem. We will not tolerate your cheaply disguised totalitarianism. Gay marriage is an outrage. Have to go to Sochi to see any gay tyranny. I don’t know what game you are watching. Christi Fidelis !

          • Gay Veteran

            yep, you’re a modern day Pharisee. Look at me praying! shameful, jesus wept

          • Gay Veteran

            did Jesus pray in public like the Pharisees?

      • Gay Veteran

        there will be prayer in schools as long as there are algebra tests.


        “The Pledge of Allegiance was written in August 1892 by Francis Bellamy (1855–1931), who was a Baptist minister, a Christian socialist, and the cousin of socialist utopian novelist Edward Bellamy (1850–1898)…

        Bellamy’s original Pledge read as follows:

        I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all….

  • TenMegaton

    Obama is happening to us.

  • Tosheba

    …as Obama cheers…celebrates…and parties…

    • Justbecauseit’sfunny

      .. or yet another vacation? 🙂

  • SmallerGovNow

    Love your website Michael. No one can tell it like it is like you do…

  • 2Gary2

    Republican Obamacare lie bit the dust today as CBO director Douglas
    Elmendorf testified before the House Budget Committee today that the ACA
    will reduce unemployment.

    On page 125
    of the report, the CBO says that the ACA will leave millions of
    Americans with extra money to spend, and that spending result in
    increased consumer demand, “The net increase in demand for goods and
    services will in turn boost demand for labor over the next few years,
    CBO estimates

    Yeah that’s right we need to tax the rich and spread the wealth-put more money in peoples pocket that will spend the money. No more tax cuts for the rich. This is why conservatives WILL FAIL as all they want is tax cuts for the rich.

    Conservatism is a scourge on this earth and this country.

    • davidmpark

      Another cut-and-paste diatribe from another person’s website.

      The CBO report says it will cost over 2 million jobs – I’ve read the actual report. It’s free online. Go look it up instead of getting someone elses’ bullplop.

      More wishful thinking coupled with your usual hypocrisy and projection.

      Your side is ruined, Gary. You’ve all caused too much harm and destruction. You can blame right wing folks for what your side has done all you want – the results are self-evident.

      Those on the right will have to come to terms with what they did. As will those on the left.

      Thankfully, I’m not left or right; I’m a #$%& (politically) – so, I just have to answer for my screw ups alone. Much easier that way. 🙂

    • FirstGarden

      I think you misunderstand Conservatism, mistaking it for the agenda of a political party. I am Conservative, yet I am not a Republican. I am Conservative, yet I am ardently opposed to destroying our environment and its delicate ecosystems. I am Conservative, yet I utterly deplore the rape & pillage of hypercapitalism (a departure from traditional capitalism), where the vast accumulations of wealth becomes non-compassionate and purely self-serving.

      Conservative –
      disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.

      “Conservative” and “Liberal” are value systems, not agendas in and of themselves. Interestingly, if you look up “liberal” or “liberalism” in Wikipedia, there’s a very good treatment of its origins and early meaning. It was actually quite noble, admirable; far closer to the ideological center. Today’s “progressive liberalism” makes it look quite conservative.

      For instance, the c o n s t i t u t i o n:

      Conservatives (according to the definition above) view the c o n s t i t u t i o n, by & large, as a fixed document. Today’s liberals tend to regard it as an “evolving” document.

      Does the tail wag the dog? Is the c o n s t i t u t i o n a cause, and society the effect? Or is society the cause and the c o n s t i t u t i o n the effect? Is it a fixed value in accordance to our founding fathers? Or is it a changeable value according to the whims & gyrations of political interest?

      Is it our wise guide against arbitrary rule and tyrannical Statist oppression?
      Or is it an archaic treatise that we ignore and alter at will?

      “If there are no absolutes by which to judge society, then society is absolute.”

      Conservatism is often misunderstood. Free thinking is not always easy, because the ruts in the road are very deep. It’s hard to keep our wheels of thought out of them.

      • 12Gary2

        well maybe your on to something.

      • wthe heck

        I think that this kid gary is not well

      • Eric Quintero

        Very well said, FirstGarden. I often use the alias “TreeHuggerLtd,” a moniker which one would assume belongs to a “hippie,” yet I joined the military and have a deep love for the United States Constitution.

        I seek to conserve the planet as well as the ideals our Founding Fathers set forth. They were extremely bright men. We should heed their warnings and ideas, because everything that they have warned us against (specifically banking and allocation of power) have come to pass.

        The Founding Fathers also sought to live in Harmony with Nature as is evident by their advocacy of an Agricultural society rather than an urban society.

        Conservatism is not being represented by hyper capitalist Republicans. They are not conservative.

        Frauds on both ends of the political spectrum have usurped this country and seek to destroy the highest law of the land: The United States Constitution.

    • Boo-urns

      As is liberalism.

    • Libsare Ajoke

      squirm libs squirm, MASSIVE ELECTORAL REPUBLICAN SLAUGHTER IN NOVEMBER, squirm libs squirm

      • 12Gary2

        ok hoss-maybe in your conservative bubble just like mittens was predicted to win only to loose big time to obummer.

        • Libsare Ajoke

          squirm libs squirm, MASSIVE ELECTORAL REPUBLICAN SLAUGHTER IN NOVEMBER, squirm libs squirm

    • Libsare Ajoke

      the nazi’s would be so proud of you

    • Libsare Ajoke

      sounds like you are the scourge of this earth

    • Libsare Ajoke

      remind us again, how many MILLIONS of jobs are going to be lost due to the obamacare disaster. wub wub wub

    • IthinkyouAREdelusional

      please visit our planet soon. Earth is far more interesting than your cold planet

    • You are the one who has a problem if you think that there is a difference between Republican or Democrat. Both are catering to the 1% and could care less for us. WE need to quit voting! They are all a fraud.

  • Malcolm Reynolds

    lol, no.
    No those car incidents (and more) were in Cali.

    I have 10 acres just this side of Duchesne. Nuttin’ fancy, just something to go camp and ride ATVs with the fam. The idiot incident was down there.

    If I had had my concealed carry on me, I would’ve killed him. I told the cops and the idiot’s adult daughter that too. Those MFers cited ME for assault with a vehicle because I almost ran him over trying to get away. Of course, my lawyer got it dismissed. But it took a $1400 lawyer.

    • davidmpark

      California is a very messed up place. Last time we were there was for a Disneyland trip.

      By the way: Everyone! Disney is now harsh to the disabled. Anyone with a disability should avoid going – the staff was obstructing and quite rude to my wife when she had a medical emergency, the handicapped lines are gone, the new system for the disabled is useless and difficult; just not worth the money or headache.

      • Malcolm Reynolds

        aww, that sucks. Sorry brother. In years past, my family, both my sister’s families, our parents, and sometimes family friends have made trips to D-land for Thanksgiving. We stay for 3-4 days of fun.
        What did they do that has made it difficult for handicapped?

        • davidmpark

          It used to be that Disney had a pass just for the disabled to make it easier for them and their immediate family to go through the lines faster, and they used to have disabled-friendly policies; like if there’s someone who had to get to back to their hotel for a treatment, then the staff could go out of their way for that person to get help or get to their medicines.

          Well, there were some disabled folks who decided to sell themselves as a “quick pass” and Disney got a few complaints. So, instead of doing something decent like limiting disability designations to the most vulnerable, or limiting the passes to immediate family only, or many of us caregivers even said we’d be fine to fill out a lot of paperwork to prove disability. Instead, Disney cut all their policies and instituted a return pass system that makes wait times longer and we still end up in the “normal guests” waiting lines. My wife ended up having a medical emergency and we were stuck for 30 minutes; the staff didn’t give a #$%&.

          Even Glenn Beck said Disney’s actions is proof we are in a societal collapse when the most vulnerable are treated this way.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Oh ok, I remember reading about that. ya, that really stinks.

  • Guest

    I have a pretty decent idea of how things are g

  • Mondobeyondo

    I have a pretty good idea as to how things will play out in the weeks and months ahead. It’s not pretty.

    “The future’s so bright, I gotta wear shades”? No.
    It’s gonna be so dark, you’re going to need a flashlight at the very least.

  • tex may

    Michael you keep mentioning, or rather I should say harping on what has happened while Obama has been in the White House. Mostly they are fair comments, except that you are implying that it is all Obama’s fault.

    The truth is (and you know it) that it would have mattered not a fig if Romney was in the White House, or Ron Paul either for that matter.

    Until the American people take back their country and their government from the big banks and mufti-national corporations and billionaires nothing is going to change.

    We all know that every single one of the elected representatives (TP’s included) in Congress, the Senate and most of the state legislatures is on the take- bought and paid for- the sad part is some of them do not even realize it.

    What do we do about it?

    • Michael Payne

      You are right, but who is really willing to hold bankers and the Fed accountable?

      In the end, most Americans are proud of the super-rich because they worked soooo hard to become rich…

      • Adrian

        I agree, it’s not all Obama’s fault. Don’t forget how Bush, Clinton, Reagan, etc, all lay the groundwork for this. Then there’s Congress, the lawmaking body…It’s not only the rich who work hard; the middle class and poor have been working hard as well, only they don’t see anything fopr it but more debt. Take a look at rising productivity over time compared to stagnant wages.

  • Hank Kingsley

    ‘god’ was invented by the elites to keep the masses dumb. Seems it worked.

    There is no such thing as a ‘god’ or whatever or an afterlife.

    The elites keep the masses foaming at the mouth about ‘god’ whilst they laugh all the way to the bank.

    • GSOB

      Job 4:7-8

      Living Bible (TLB)

      7-8 Stop and think! Have you ever known a truly good and innocent person who was punished?

      Experience teaches that it is those who sow sin and trouble who harvest the same.

  • Hank Kingsley

    This ‘god’ stuff is all made up by the elites. Why else would
    the fantasy book ‘bible’ say stuff like ‘obey the leaders’, ‘pay taxes’,
    ‘respect the people to whom your taxes/payments are due’ etc…?


    The elites made it all up. Its all part of the plan to keep the masses dumb and poor.

    • Mondobeyondo

      God is real. Not a fantasy.

      • Boo-urns

        God is not real. A fantasty.

      • jonno

        Show me just one instance where there is PROOF of god’s existence. NO you can’t. It’s all to do with belief, a dumb belief in something that is not, and never was real. A belief is just that, something you believe without any proof. I can tell you how to live your life with no worries or problems. Have no opinions, no beliefs and form no judgments. If you can do this you will have no fear of anything. Just let it all happen because no matter what you do, what is supposed to happen will. This world is not real. There , now you know the secret to life. Go forth and have a great time.

        • k

          Who do you think is running the universe ? ,multiverse(if you are of the multiverse believing camp_

          • jonno

            There is actually no proof of any jews living in Egypt at the time the pyramids were built. In fact they were built by subscripted labor from the lower classes of Egypt. A story is not proof of anything, it’s just another myth in the Big Book of Myths that give the powers that be power over ” believers.” Does “someone” need to run the universe? Can’t it just happen? Like this morning when I was running along the beach I saw a large jellyfish washed up by the previous high tide. It wasn’t planned, it just happened. It wasn’t great for the jellyfish but it just happened.

          • GSOB

            Genesis 15:12-14

            Living Bible (TLB)

            12 That evening as the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram, and a vision of terrible foreboding, darkness, and horror.

            Then Jehovah told Abram, “Your descendants will be oppressed as slaves in a foreign land for 400 years.

            But I will punish the nation that enslaves them, and at the end they will come away with great wealth.


          • jonno

            Once again, a story in a manufactured text does not constitute proof. This was written by men not god , and by men who wanted to control the population. The bible is full of incest, murder and betrayal, most of it done by biblical “holy men.”

            It’s all rubbish, get on with your lives, there is no heaven or hell, when you die that’s all folks.

          • GSOB

            Exodus 5:10-11

            Living Bible (TLB)

            So the taskmasters and officers informed the people:

            “Pharaoh has given orders to furnish you with no more straw. Go and find it wherever you can; but you must produce just as many bricks as before!”


          • k

            I am not talking religion, i am talking god.

            jellyfish washing up depends on a lot of factors coming together, it should be in the right place in the ocean at the right time. And for it to be there, it should have ‘the desire’ to be there and desire arises from hormones whose production is signalled by genes and which jelly fish gets what genes depends on the creator/almighty.

        • GSOB


          You wanted one instance where there is PROOF of god’s existence.


          Here you go.

          Exodus 3

          Living Bible (TLB)

          3 One day as Moses was tending the flock of his father-in-law, Jethro, the priest of Midian, out at the edge of the desert near Horeb, the mountain of God,
          2 suddenly
          the Angel of Jehovah appeared to him as a flame of fire in a bush. When Moses saw that the bush was on fire and that it didn’t burn up,

          3-4 he went over to investigate. Then God called out to him, “Moses! Moses!”

          “Who is it?” Moses asked.

          5 “Don’t come any closer,” God told him. “Take off your shoes, for you are standing on holy ground.

          6 I am the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.”

          (Moses covered his face with his hands, for he was afraid to look at God.)

          7 Then the Lord told him, “I have seen the deep sorrows of my people in Egypt and have heard their pleas for freedom from their harsh taskmasters.

          8 I have come to deliver them from the Egyptians and to take them out of Egypt into a good land, a large land, a land ‘flowing with milk and honey’—the land where the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites live.

          9 Yes, the wail of the people of Israel has risen to me in heaven, and I have seen the heavy tasks the Egyptians have oppressed them with.

          10 Now I am going to send you to Pharaoh, to demand that he let you lead my people out of Egypt.”

          11 “But I’m not the person for a job like that!” Moses exclaimed.

          12 Then God told him, “I will certainly be with you, and this is the proof that I am the one who is sending you: When you have led the people out of Egypt, you shall worship God here upon this mountain!”

          13 But Moses asked, “If I go to the people of Israel and tell them that their fathers’ God has sent me, they will ask, ‘Which God are you talking about?’ What shall I tell them?”

          14 “‘The Sovereign God,’” was the reply.
          “Just say, ‘I Am
          has sent me!’

          15 Yes, tell them, ‘Jehovah, the God of your ancestors Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, has sent me to you.’

          (This is my eternal name, to be used throughout all generations.)

          16 “Call together all the elders of Israel,” God instructed him, “and tell them about Jehovah appearing to you here in this burning bush and that he said to you, ‘I have visited my people and have seen what is happening to them there in Egypt.

          17 I promise to rescue them from the drudgery and humiliation they are undergoing, and to take them to the land now occupied by the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites, a land “flowing with milk and honey.’”

          18 The elders of the people of Israel will accept your message. They must go with you to the king of Egypt and tell him, ‘Jehovah, the God of the Hebrews, has met with us and instructed us to go three days’ journey into the desert to sacrifice to him. Give us your permission.’

          19 “But I know that the king of Egypt will not let you go except under heavy pressure.

          20 So I will give him all the pressure he needs! I will destroy Egypt with my miracles, and then at last he will let you go.

          21 And I will see to it that the Egyptians load you down with gifts when you leave, so that you will by no means go out empty-handed!

          22 Every woman will ask for jewels, silver, gold, and the finest of clothes from her Egyptian master’s wife and neighbors. You will clothe your sons and daughters with the best of Egypt!”

        • GSOB

          Isaiah 6:2-3

          Living Bible (TLB)

          2 Hovering about him were mighty, six-winged angels of fire. With two of their wings they covered their faces, with two others they covered their feet, and with two they flew.

          3 In a great antiphonal chorus they sang, “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord Almighty; the whole earth is filled with his glory.”

      • Aha

        Just in case you didn’t know, there are so many billions people in this world who might not believe in God and have different kinds of religion. Speak with your own believe please.

    • k

      You want to use roads, bridges, interstates, fire and police services, want the country to have an army and you dont want to pay for it?

    • FirstGarden

      If you knew the Bible, you wouldn’t say this. It also says, “We ought to obey God rather than men.” There’s a limit to civil obedience. It is good-natured, exemplary, non-rebellious all the way up to the point when it begins to violate conscience. Then, and only then do people of good faith depart from the biblical injunctions you allude to, because, obedience to Almighty God supersedes that of men.

      Jesus said to give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s, and give unto God what is God’s. He refers to a temporal value system vs. an Eternal value system.

      It is not wise to denigrate the things of God. I mean no offense, but this is territory you clearly are not familiar with.

    • Eric Quintero

      We have thrown God out of our country. We are reaping what we have sown.

      Someone else mentioned this:

      The Russians did the same thing. They suffered huge morality problems when they converted to a Godless state. 50% alcoholism rate.

      Now the Russians are one of the biggest defenders of Christianity.

      Practice spirituality and God will find you. Practice magick and Satan will control you.

  • “V”

    Nothing but low paying service jobs as far as the eye can see. We are in a world of shi………..!

    • david f miller

      The question is:

      WHO are you serving? WHO has the money to pay those services?

      I’m pretty sure that you aren’t serving the super-rich.

      So: WHO are you serving?

      I don’t get it!

      • FirstGarden

        Maybe it’s the “trickle up” effect, hehe.

      • Guest

        I feel like what little money we have is circulating in local economies. Service people pay other service people.

        Slowly but surely that money moves its way out of the hands of the lower, middle and upper to the elite.

    • Adrian

      LOL, the US middle class is now like Pvt. Leonard Lawrence in the movie Full Metal Jacket, that scene right before he blows his brains out.

  • Frank Bell

    “Most of the burden of servicing U.S. national debt is going to fall on the middle class.”

    Let us assume for a moment that there is no middle class to serve that debt:

    Will the richest, the 1 %, pay that debt because they can?


    They will put that debt on the lower class by making them slaves.

    They call it the New World Order.

    • goldminer

      Yup NWO. It is no coincidence that the national debit and the amount invested in Americas IRAs and 401Ks are pretty much the same amount.
      BO was talking about government mandated IRAs in his SOTU speech. MyIRA.
      First step
      Get everyone working into a mandated IRA. The next steps will be… Crash the market. Say the market is not a safe investment.
      Nationalize all IRA, 401K and pensions. Back them with worthless government bonds. Then steal everyone’s wealth.
      It will work great! Just like social security does.
      Another giant leap down the path to slavery brought to you by der Fuhrer Obama.

      • FirstGarden

        I have long suspected that they will, one day, have at people’s IRAs.

        Consider Cypress. They helped themselves to people’s saving accounts. — “I don’t mind if I do, hey hey hee.”

        What’s to stop our elected & unelected officials from doing the same, or similar-such things, once the climate is right?

        • goldminer

          “What’s to stop our elected & unelected officials from doing the same, or similar-such things, once the climate is right?”
          Nothing. Its the law of the land. I believe if I have read the Dodd Frank act right.
          Too big to fail banks and insitutions can use unsecured assets to keep them afloat in bad times. Instead of government/ taxpayer bailouts. Whew I am glad they passed laws to let us taxpayers off the hook………Or did they?
          What are unsecured assets you ask? They are YOUR, investments, 401ks, IRAs pensions and anything else not covered by FDIC.
          I would not keep large sums of money in one place… If so be ready to get a very expensive “Hair Cut” when the market crashes… And it will crash!
          Coming soon to a theater near you.

          • FirstGarden

            “Haircut” is a nice way of saying you’re really screwed.

            Incidentally, the FDIC cannot really insure our accounts. But you already know that. In a total crash, they will back them with pennies on the dollar, or only select banks, as one economist pointed out.

      • Adrian

        Social security does work great: it has paid 100% benefits to its beneficiaries since inception.

  • tuco22

    All of this was brought to us by our elected representatives. Republican and Democrat alike.

  • Michael Payne

    As long as the stock market rises – and it will rise – everybody will think that the economy is doing good.

    • Adrian

      Yes, because in this country the media equates a strong stock market with a strong economy. The stock market is a measure of how well the wealthy are doing, as they own the vast majority of stocks. Incidentally, the stock market often surges when middle class folks are laid off; profits for big business and all that…

  • Mondobeyondo

    So, the “official” unemployment rate has dropped from 6.7% to 6.6%. Quick, get those high school cheerleaders! Break out the pom poms! Let’s start singing “Happy Days are Here Again”!

    Come on, you know better than that.

    I’m certain many of those jobs were part-time gigs left over from the lackluster holiday season.
    Other people have simply given up and dropped out of the workforce altogether. The government does not count these people as “unemployed”.
    Job growth is not keeping up with population growth.
    January had a major cold spell for some 3/4ths of the country. How would you like looking for work, when it’s 30 degrees below zero?

    This country still has some major economic issues, and the people in charge aren’t addressing them.

    • FirstGarden

      Well now, the only folks who believe those severely manipulated unemployment figures are the media-mesmerized couch potatoes who stuff their faces with TV dinners and go “guffaw guffaw” over the most inane sitcoms.

  • Mondobeyondo

    If Radio Shack goes under, I’m going to shed a tear or three. There was many a science kit my dad would buy me at Radio Shack when I was a kid. Probably a few ham radio operators out there who got their first radios there as well.

    • Rene Girrard

      My first ham radio was from Heathkit in Benton Harbor, MI. It was an HW-16. Then I upgraded to an HW-101. I built both units. I was 13 years old. What a country back then.

  • Mondobeyondo

    What happened to the country I used to know and grow up in? (I know what happened, it’s a rhetorical question.)

    Most of us just always assumed things would always be the way they had been. So we prepared accordingly. We went to high school, then college or university, got out, found a job in our chosen careers, started families, and prepared ourselves for 40 or so years of the working life. Our reward would come when we turned 62 or 65, and settled down for a comfortable retirement playing golf or taking Royal Caribbean cruises.

    Alas, it is not the case.

    • Mondobeyondo

      If you’re wondering where we’re headed – tune in on Mondays at 7:30pm. There is your answer. (p.s. For those “tweens” or those under 10 years old – parental discretion is highly recommended.)

    • Adrian

      The question is: why doesn’t the middle class do something about it, as they do in France? Why not shut down everything, take to the streets? Why not show solidarity with the now defunct Occupy movement and try to rekindle that spark? WHAT are we doing….playing the voting game: my team is better than your team, etc. = nada.

  • Bernie

    In August of 1971, Lewis Powell, a corporate lawyer,
    and future Supreme Court Justice, wrote a confidential memorandum to a friend at the US Chamber of Commerce. The memo called for corporate America to become more aggressive in molding politics and law in the US. The result was a massive increase in a business known as “lobbying.” And so my friends, we are here today as a result.

  • Colin L.

    I was reading “Modern Warfare” (#10), a magazine about warfare in the Cold War era and beyond. On page 11, the author writes that the middle class was created in the 1800s as a “…means to forestall revolutionary agitation from a discontented underclass.” For me, this says that the fate of the middle class is integral to the nation’s national security. If our middle class is lost, then we may increase threats to our country’s national security. And this threat won’t be limited to our country – it will be felt in the developed world countries, especially those in the Americas and Europe.

  • Adrian

    A great book which discusses this in detail is Chris Hedges’s Days of Destruction, Days of Revolt.

  • Adrian

    I think most people, consciously or unconsciously, realize that our system is broken. Our economic, political, and judicial system is broken. We can’t fix it because to try to engage in political action is useless, because it itself is broken, and has been coopted by the wealthy elites. The propaganda in this country works marvelously, with so many people ignorant of what is causing their problems, and attacking each other rather than attacking those elites causing the mess: a wonderful thing if you are the elites. Something is coming, as Chris Hedges writes about. Who knows when, or what will set it off, but I think nearly everyone who writes on this blog would agree that this is the case.

  • Adrian

    I like that: the only thing we learn from history is that we don’t learn from history. Very true!

  • Mondobeyondo

    If you think it’s bad now…you haven’t seen anything yet.
    We are in a situation now, in which there is virtually no escape.Uh huh. It’s a death spiral. I’m not saying there isn’t any hope, but…just the national debt alone will kill us. Traditionally, when times get tough, we start a war (raises national morale, gets people employed and stuff such as.). Iraq was a failure. Afghanistan was not a success. How about a war with Iran? China? Don’t even think about it. The pride of our power is gone. Leviticus 26:19.

    Check back with me around, oh, May 22, 2021. And let’s see how we’re doing – that is if we’re still around.

    All I can say is – I’m looking forward to the uppertaker, not the undertaker.

  • Mondobeyondo

    Objectives of the Iraq War:
    1) Search for WMD’s
    2) Capture Saddam Hussein
    3) Make Iraq a free democracy
    4) Stop Iraq from invading Kuwait and stealing all that oil

    1) Still looking for those WMD’s…
    2) Colin Powell and Norman Schwarzkopf could have done that in a few weeks during the Operation Desert Shield invasion, if the first President Bush had given them approval to do so
    3) A work in progress. Would be easier if the Iraqis actually wanted us over there
    4) That was accomplished by late August of 1990

    What a colossal Mess.

  • Mondobeyondo

    Objectives of the Afghan War:

    1) Get those al-Qaeda terrorists
    2) Capture those terrorists
    3) Umm… poppies?

    1) and 2) – Mixed results. We nabbed a few al-Qaeda guys.

    3) Afghanistan –> poppies ..> heroin trade.
    What, you mean you didn’t know that?

  • The End Is Near

    America is a cursed nation. With over 53 million aborted babies what else would you expect?? This tragic story ends with national slavery and the loss of everything. Good job America.

  • Libsare Ajoke

    gary will save us with higher taxes,lol

  • TtT Engine

    The guiding beacon of light to the RedWhiteBlue used to be the U.S. Constitution and our Judaio-Christian value system. You lefties took on the human role of Lucifer. You hate God and no one, including God, is going to tell you what to do. Leftism has always been around, but until Woodstock, it had always been kept at bay. Leftism metastasized at Woodstock. We are now seeing the implosion of leftism. You now hate on conservatives because we live by the Judaio-Christian value system and the U.S. Constitution. Evil thrives while good men stand by and do nothing. As a nation, we have let go of God’s outstretched hand. We now fend for ourselves with God only helping those that love and serve Him. You Judas Catholics have blasphemed God in the worst way because you knew better. You Lefties, continue to worship your vile, pagan, golden calves such as the environment, abortion and gay marriage. White wash evil under the cloak of “social justice”. See the destruction you have brought upon us. May God spare the faithful. Christi Fidelis !

  • Guest

    I wonder how many agree with the following? BTW I agree 100% with it.

    I really don’t think we can rely on the honesty or integrity of
    corporate America to keep us safe. This free market crap mixed with
    human greed doesn’t work out very well obviously.

    Trusting food processors is, in it’s own way, about as smart as safe as
    letting Lloyd Blankfien or Jamie Dimon or Barack Obama’s good friend and
    patron, Penny Pritzker, hold your wallet just after you cashed your
    weekly paycheck ..

  • 2Gary2

    I wonder who on this site agrees with the following? BTW I agree with it.

    I really don’t think we can rely on the honesty or integrity of
    corporate America to keep us safe. This free market crap mixed with
    human greed doesn’t work out very well obviously.

    Trusting food processors is, in it’s own way, about as smart an safe as
    letting Lloyd Blankfien or Jamie Dimon or Barack Obama’s good friend and
    patron, Penny Pritzker, hold your wallet just after you cashed your
    weekly paycheck ..

    • None of what you recorded is “free market.” What we have is “corporatism,” neither capitalism nor a free market. All the rules are made to favor the criminals and con artists who are running these firms and their bought-and-paid-for politicians.

      I truly wish we could actually try freedom for once…but if freedom was an option on the ballot, voting would be illegal.

  • DB200

    Interesting figures. If you add the debt of US consumers with the debt of the US government, you get a total of approximately 28.6 trillion U$. At 3% interest (that seems very high now, but historically is quite low), this would make approximately 880 million U$ in interest payments each year, for the whole society (if we forget about businesses, they also have loans). Now assume the US population to be 320 million people. That would lead to roughly 2,500 U$ in interest payments each year for each US citizen.

    So a family of four would pay 10,000 U$ in interest. And after payment of the interest, the loan still exists, it has not decreased. About half of all US citizens receive government assistance, so it would be save to assume that they would not be able to pay for any of the interest that is due. Let’s assume that the other half is middle class and up. That leaves the other half to cover all the interest payments, so 5,000 U$ for each person yearly. This is called solidarity.

    A middle class family of four would then have to pay 20,000 U$ interest yearly under the assumption that the debts don’t increase. Plus of course the taxes to keep the government running, the wars going, the social programs etc. working. Would there be any serious money left to pay for living expenses? And what would happen if the debt increases (as it does) and/or the interest rate goes up?

    What it seems is that the USA is bankrupt and heading for a fall. Thanks to the petro-dollar system this has not happened yet. My feeling always was that the USA was in trouble, I didn’t realize how serious it was until I did the numbers as a mental practice, thanks to Michael’s article.

    By the way, there are two ways out: declare bankruptcy or create solid inflation, say 10 – 15%. Bankruptcy would impoverish the whole financial industry and could lead to war. Inflation is the easier way out. Within 5 – 8 years, debt levels would be manageable again. The biggest losers would be pensioners on a fixed income basis. But they would be too old and too small a minority to be interesting as voters. Yes, this is perhaps cynical but politicians think like that. So it may be save to assume that savers will not be spared. Maybe those gold and silver bugs have a point?

    • Inflation in a credit economy like ours requires active participation on the part of the public. While this has occurred so far, I believe it is impossible to do so much longer.

      Attempts to create inflation by issuing more debt drives down the value of pre-existing debt, which is (paradoxically) deflationary.

      I believe all roads now lead to deflation and default on the debt–government debt, personal debt, and corporate debt. Sadly, most people’s “wealth” is someone else’s debt, so this suggests we face the largest destruction of wealth in history, at least nominally (though maybe not on a percentage basis).

  • DB200

    If everybody would have listened to Warren Buffet, this wouldn’t have happened. In 1999 he said;

    “One piece of specific financial advise, I would say, avoid credit cards, just forget about them.”

    Go to youtube, and search on:
    “How to Stay Out of Debt: Warren Buffett – Financial Future of American Youth (1999)”

  • ganymede1

    It’s a bit late to comment on this blog but I will say this. Come this November the public is going to show its ire, especially towards the rightwing lunatics who have deliberately been sabotaging our country because they have a problem with our Black President. Unbelievable but true! The Democrats are just marginally less inept, negative and corrupt than the Repubs, but millions of liberals and progressives like myself know we will be able to pressure them to get some positive movement forward. Also, it would have helped these past few years, if more people had paid attention to Paul Krugman. He’s not been right on every point, but much further ahead than 99% of the economists.

    • Redistribution of wealth is working soooo well for the Washington DC establishment…middle class wealth goes to Wall Street, then laundered into campaign contributions so incumbents return to office at higher rates than did Soviet Politburo members in the USSR.

      I don’t get it. Why do well-meaning people believe using the FIST of government (naked force, that is) will achieve beneficent ends? Obama’s signature legislation (the ACA) is the greatest Rube Goldberg gift to massive corporations yet self-described “liberals” still sing his praises.

      By the way, ganymede1, Krugman is an avowed Keynesian, who has written that it does not matter how much the government borrows (and squanders). Some notions are so stupid that it takes many years of education to embrace them. As with all Keynesians, he has NO IDEA from where capital is formed. He has NO IDEA where prosperity arises. He thinks spending creates prosperity, when in fact it is production that does so, and government produces NOTHING, not ONE THING; it only takes from those who produced and divvies up the loot, keeping a huge chunk for its members.

      The solution does not lay in voting, or in any politician or any legislation. The solution rests on reducing the COERCION in our society, which includes drastically reducing the burden of government taxation and regulation. We are being governed into OBLIVION.

    • pulltheweeds

      u r delusional and full of yourself

  • el guapo

    This is NOT a collapse, this is a controlled demolition. I’ve said it so many times…apparently nobody understands what I mean.

  • spin43

    Are you “Ready for Hellarceny”?

  • Dewey Olsen

    The Struggle within America—Isaiah Saw It All!
    by Avraham Gileadi Ph.D.

    Many regard Isaiah’s prophecy as a sealed book. Who does it address, only people in the past? A key to this mystery exists in the linear and synchronous structures that govern the book of Isaiah. These enable us to read it as a prophecy about the past but also as a prediction of the future. The book of Isaiah, in other words, serves a twofold purpose. Without taking anything away from what happened in the past, it uses the past as an allegory of the future. In that case, persons and nations of Isaiah’s day typify ones who perform similar roles at the end of the world. The names of past persons and nations function as codenames for their endtime counterparts.

    The importance of understanding Isaiah’s message increases daily as world events line up like planets for the fulfillment of his prophecy. Under the codename “Egypt”—the great superpower of Isaiah’s day—America is predicted to suffer spiritual decline, political ineptitude, economic collapse, internal anarchy, and invasion by a foreign military world power from the North—a latter-day “Assyria.” On the other hand, a community of covenanters in “Egypt” will turn back to Jehovah,
    who will send them a savior and deliver them. In the end, at the commencement of the millennial age, America will again become “my people”—a covenant people of God (Isaiah 19).

    5. 20. 2010

  • Dewey Olsen

    The book of Isaiah—Blueprint of Our Time
    by Avraham Gileadi Ph.D.

    What sets the book of Isaiah apart from all other prophetic writings is its all-inclusiveness in depicting an End-Time scenario. More complete in its portrayal of that time than even apocalyptic writings such as Daniel and Revelation, it spells out a great confluence of events to which humanity may look forward. Using Israel’s ancient history as an allegory of the end of the world, it predicts the future by drawing on events of the past. Only a prophet–poet with extraordinary literary skills could have predicted “the end” based on the world’s beginnings (Isaiah 46:10). Only a visionary who saw both time periods could have crafted such a prophetic masterpiece.

    While the book of Isaiah’s apocalyptic message accords with Jewish tradition, and while literary structures provide proof of its twofold applicability—Isaiah’s day and the end of the world—it still requires a leap of faith to believe that this is indeed a handbook for our time. For one thing, it may mean discarding much or all of what we have been taught. Isaiah foresees this confusion when he speaks of the deaf “hearing” and the blind “seeing” the words of his book. Only then will “they who erred in spirit gain understanding and they who murmured accept instruction” (Isaiah 29:18, 24). Fortunately, not all of God’s people fall in that category (Isaiah 66:2, 5).

    10. 12. 2011

  • Dewey Olsen

    End-Time “Egypt”—A Superpower in Decline
    by Avraham Gileadi Ph.D.

    Isaiah’s use of types of ancient world powers that foreshadow End-Time ones extends to the great superpower Egypt. As with all nations and persons who appear in the book of Isaiah, their true identity emerges when we observe how Isaiah characterizes them, not when we apply historical or archaeological data, though at times that may help. In searching the world today for a nation that matches Isaiah’s description of “Egypt,” the sole candidate is America. That connection is further strengthened by the fact that God’s people anciently dwelt in Egypt, that Joseph ruled Egypt, and that the birthright tribe of Ephraim sprang from Joseph and Asenath, an Egyptian woman.

    Isaiah’s “Egypt,” however, is a superpower in decline: “The ministers of Zoan have been foolish, the officials of Noph deluded; the heads of state have led Egypt astray. Jehovah has permeated them with a spirit of confusion; they have misled Egypt in all that it does, causing it to stagger like a drunkard into his vomit. . . . Manufacturers of combed linen and weavers of fine fabrics will be dismayed. The textile workers will know despair, and all who work for wages suffer distress. . . . I will stir up the Egyptians against the Egyptians; they will fight brother against brother and neighbor against neighbor, city against city and state against state” (Isaiah 19:2, 9–10, 13–14).

  • jlfenton

    The whole “union thug” rhetoric promoted by the Republican Party plays a major role in the demise of the middle class. Many studies have been done proving beyond all doubt that unions created and sustained a middle class.

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