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A Third Of All U.S. Shopping Malls Are Projected To Close As ‘Space Available’ Signs Go Up All Over America

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Abandoned Shopping Mall - Photo by Jeff TankIf you didn’t know better, you might be tempted to think that “Space Available” was the hottest new retail chain in the entire country.  As you will see below, it is being projected that about a third of all shopping malls in the United States will soon close, and we just recently learned that the number of “distressed retailers” is the highest that it has been since the last recession.  Honestly, I don’t know how anyone can possibly believe that the U.S. economy is in “good shape” after looking at the retail industry.  In my recent article about the ongoing “retail apocalypse“, I discussed the fact that Sears, J.C. Penney and Macy’s have all announced that they are closing dozens of stores in 2017, and you can find a pretty comprehensive list of 19 U.S. retailers that are “on the brink of bankruptcy” right here.  Needless to say, quite a bloodbath is going on out there right now.

But I didn’t realize how truly horrific things were for the retail industry until I came across an article about mall closings on Time Magazine’s website

About one-third of malls in the U.S. will shut their doors in the coming years, retail analyst Jan Kniffen told CNBC Thursday. His prediction comes in the wake of Macy’s reporting its worst consecutive same-store sales decline since the financial crisis.

Macy’s and its fellow retailers in American malls are challenged by an oversupply of retail space as customers migrate toward online shopping, as well as fast fashion retailers like H&M and off-price stores such as T.J. Maxx. As a result, about 400 of the country’s 1,100 enclosed malls will fail in the upcoming years. Of those that remain, he predicts that about 250 will thrive and the rest will continue to struggle.

Can you imagine what this country is going to look like if that actually happens?

Shopping malls all over the United States are literally becoming “ghost towns”, and many that have already closed have stayed empty for years and years.

The process usually starts when a shopping mall starts losing anchor stores.  That is why it is so alarming that Sears, J.C. Penney and Macy’s are planning to shut down so many locations in 2017.  According to one recent report, 310 shopping malls in America are in imminent danger of losing an anchor store

Dozens of malls have closed in the last 10 years, and many more are at risk of shutting down as retailers like Macy’s, JCPenney, and Sears — also known as anchor stores — shutter hundreds of stores to staunch the bleeding from falling sales.

The commercial-real-estate firm CoStar estimates that nearly a quarter of malls in the US, or roughly 310 of the nation’s 1,300 shopping malls, are at high risk of losing an anchor store.

Once the anchor stores start going, traffic falls off dramatically for the other stores and they start leaving too.

Four years ago in “The Beginning Of The End” I warned that empty storefronts would soon litter the national landscape, and now that is precisely what is happening.

Now that the Christmas season is over, some retailers that have been around for decades have suddenly decided that it is time to file for bankruptcy.  Sadly, one of those retailers is HHGregg

HHGregg Inc., the 61-year-old seller of appliances and electronics, is moving closer to Chapter 11 after announcing a store-closing plan, according to people with knowledge of the matter.

The filing may come as soon as next week, said the people, who asked not to be identified because the matter isn’t public. Bloomberg previously reported that HHGregg might file for bankruptcy in March if it couldn’t reach an out-of-court solution.

Another retailer that was once riding high but is now dealing with bankruptcy is BCBG

BCBG, the California-based fashion retailer that had acquired fashion design firm Herve Leger in 1998, and that once had more than 570 boutiques globally, including 175 in the US, and whose cocktail dresses and handbags were shown off by celebrities, filed for bankruptcy on Wednesday.

It is buckling under $459 million of debt. It has 4,800 employees. Layoffs have already started. More layoffs and other cost cuts are planned, according to court documents, cited by Bloomberg. It started closing 120 of its stores in January. It wants to sell itself at a court-supervised auction. If that fails, it wants to negotiate a debt-for-equity swap with junior lenders owed $289 million.

If the U.S. economy was actually doing as well as the stock market says that it should be doing, all of these retail chains would not be closing stores and going bankrupt.

But of course the truth is that the stock market has become completely disconnected from economic reality.

We live at a time when middle class consumers are tapped out.  According to one recent survey, 57 percent of all Americans do not even have enough money in the bank to write a $500 check for an unexpected expense.

And people are falling out of the middle class at a staggering pace.  The number of homeless people in New York City recently set a brand new record high, and city authorities plan to construct 90 new homeless shelters within the next five years.

On the west coast we are also seeing a dramatic rise in homelessness.  The following comes from an article by Dan Lyman

Citizen journalists have captured stunning images and video of homeless encampments that are spiraling out of control in the shadows of Disneyland and Anaheim Stadium in California.

The tent city has recently sprung up along the Santa Ana riverbed, near a busy convergence of three major California highways known as the “Orange Crush,” at the border of Anaheim and Santa Ana, the latter a “sanctuary city.”

Homeless activists estimate that as many as 1,000 people are camped in the region.

You can see some video footage of this homeless encampment on YouTube right here

Incredibly, the Federal Reserve is almost certainly going to raise interest rates at their next meeting even though the U.S. economy is faltering so badly.  That only makes sense if they are trying to make Donald Trump look as bad as possible.

Even though this giant bubble of false economic stability that we are currently enjoying has lasted far longer than it should have, the truth is that nothing has changed about the long-term economic outlook at all.

America is still heading for “economic Armageddon”, and the retail industry is a huge red flag that is warning us that our day of reckoning is approaching more rapidly than many had anticipated.

 
  • ALWAYSTOMORROW

    My wife and I haven’t purchased anything at a mall in over a decade.

    The only reason maybe twice a year we go there is to laugh at people and how fat they are.

    • aldownunder

      Well there’s alwaystomorrow

      • ALWAYSTOMORROW

        Yes. You are correct. And there will always be tomorrow.

    • Mr.Cipher

      You sound like a very insecure little person.

      • ALWAYSTOMORROW

        I’ll bet you’re one of those fat people at the mall.

        • Guest

          You’re so kind.

      • Guest

        LOL. I thought the same thing when I read his hateful comment.

        • JC Teecher

          Yea, me too. I can’t stand to watch fat people. especially the fat women that would dress out at nearly 300 lbs.

          It makes my skin crawl to think about all those areas that they cannot reach to scrub clean, and how miserable they must feel.

          heck, I’m having a hard enough time reaching some areas of my own body for hygiene purposes (but i do manage) and I’m only 200 lbs. and 6’2″.

          Can’t imagine what a 300 lb. granny or papa goes through.

          • socalbeachdude

            FAT FOLKS ARE HAPPY FOLKS…

            Fewer overweight adults are trying to slim down: Two thirds of us are happily fat, study reveals

            According to a new study from Georgia Southern University, Statesboro, fewer overweight adults are trying to lose weight despite obesity rates climbing every year in the US.

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-4290254/Fewer-overweight-adults-trying-slim-down.html

          • Guest

            I wasn’t defending fat people. But a lot of fat people are fat because they have underlying emotional issues that they deal with by eating. On the other hand, some fat people are fat because they are simply undisciplined.

          • socalbeachdude

            FAT CRAZY BARBRA BLAMES DONALD FOR HER HOGOSITY

            http://www.hollywoodreporte

            Perhaps Babs should try Oprah’s Weight Watchers!!!

          • JC Teecher

            Yea, the underlying emotional issues are usually brought on by not having a relationship with Christ.

            Barbara Stries-stand claims she is getting fat because of D Trump as potus.

            One excuse is good as another, I guess.

  • Esteban quiros

    Hello. Thanks for your articles, always on the spot. In Costa Rica the fallout is not so diferentes. Lots of small business going under.
    But one thing I would like to point out.
    The tribulation is here, the catch is to see it for what it is.
    There is persecusion, loud and clear, for stating the truth, for defending our values.
    What will be the next logical steps of this beast to follow…
    U see, we have been waiting for a man, for a Tyrant…
    U had to look out for the goverment, the world goverment is the beast of revelations.
    Best wishes to all, and lets be prepared, because the culling not cooling is at hand.

    • aldownunder

      ????

    • JC Teecher

      Slow down Esteban. There are two tribulations, and we are not even close to either of them.

      We are seeing the early signs, or “birth pangs” of the consummation of the end of this Age, but tribulations are no where near what they will be.

      Central and South America is seeing some bad times because of poor decisions, greed, and corruption of leaders, but the overall tribulations will not play out until the full on Beast/NWO/United nations system gets near implementation.

      Then tribulations begin to play out for about six years, the NWO hits a snag, then about six months later, Antichrist comes in to repair things to get the full on delusion and deception going with the whole world, that will worship him for putting a proverbial chicken in every pot, and wiping out all personal debt.
      Problem is, he begins to show his true colors, and things get real bad, and then the tribulations of God Almighty begin to be poured out quickly and consecutively, on the people that have fallen for the “false’ Christ.
      Then the “True” Christ returns, and all evil is eliminated from the earth, which sadly includes many souls that have been living liberally.

      • William Lutz

        Too bad Christ won’t give some people a second chance.

        • JC Teecher

          God is fair, W Lutz. Although there are no second chances. Some people never had, or have, a chance at learning truth about salvation or anything biblical.

          God has it all written down in the Books of Life, so when Christ comes, He brings the records with Him, and those that maybe never got salvation previously, because they never really had the chance; they will have the whole Millennium, nearly 1000 years of teaching, to see truth and then make the decision before they are tested and tried, by Satan, for a season, near the end of that 1000 year reign.

          if they refuse to follow Satan, and hold dear to their salvation, then they are then partakers of the 2nd Resurrection, which is the taking on of the un-corruptible/eternal soul.

          • socalbeachdude

            And that diatribe has just what to do with store vacancies at malls in America?

          • aldownunder

            Why waste your time on Mr putz
            He’s a muzzo (or he was a couple of weeks ago)

    • Arthur Wholeflaffers

      Sprechen ze Englisha? What the fletch are you talking about? Explain.

  • socalbeachdude

    Dead Malls
    The stories and history behind the great era of store chains that defined retail. The history of many now dead malls.

    http://www.DeadMalls.com/

  • socalbeachdude
  • socalbeachdude

    Store closures wreak havoc on shopping malls – Business Insider

    Macy’s and Sears collectively announced 218 store closures within the last week in a move that could cripple dozens of shopping malls across the US — and the problem is only getting worse. On Sunday, The Limited, another mall-based retailer, suddenly shut down all 250 of its stores and laid off 4,000 employees.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/store-closures-wreak-havoc-on-shopping-malls-2017-1

    • FirstGarden

      But I’ll bet the owners walked away with a bundle.

      • socalbeachdude

        How would they do that when the properties become essentially worthless?

        • FirstGarden

          Well, some would call it extortion, hehe.

          • socalbeachdude

            Huh? Owners and REITS (Real Estate Investment Trusts) are taking HUGE LOSSES on failed mails.

            Talk about a clearance! Foreclosed Pennsylvania mall once worth $190m sells for just $100 at auction

            Galleria at Pittsburgh Mills was bought by Wells Fargo Bank on Wednesday. The bank foreclosed on the mall after its owners defaulted on its $143million loan in 2015.

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4136684/Foreclosed-Pennsylvania-mall-sells-100-auction.html

          • FirstGarden

            Wow. Okay, I think we’re talking about two different things. I meant the entrepreneurs, not the mall owners.

            All along, most business owners tend to cut themselves an obscene salary while the employees work for small tators. Managers make more, but tend to be quite expendable.

            How might a squirrel preserve his nuts?
            Let me count the ways.

            For one, little things like lavish vacation days, unaccrued, even.

            Then there’s these slush funds that can hide under all kinds of names.

            Then there’s liquidity. In retail, there’s all kinds of what they call shrinkage. (Merchandise written off in the P & L as stolen.) This is one way where the entrepreneur can really have at it. He or she sees the ship is starting to go down. If it’s a public company, mngt continues to extol the virtues of their stock (if it still retains relative value), and then sells out every bit of their own stock. Carefully, that is.

            And the employees will faithfully come to work until they come in to locked doors.

            Meanwhile, lots of high end merchandise has gone missing, sold off to willing buyers without an invoice and bill of lading. The shrink is, of course, said to be an inside job by employees. Maybe some heads roll.

            After chapter 11 comes 13, then a liquidation, and a whole plethora of wondrous opportunities to milk the cash flow. Inventories are way off, and since “the system is down”, they’ll have to use manual invoices to write up sales. But a funny thing happened between manual invoices and final data entry.

            This is just one hypothetical scenario.
            It never happened. And it will never happen again.

          • socalbeachdude

            Where do you come up with those notions? Most business owners are lucky to eke out a tiny little payment to themselves after paying expenses.

          • FirstGarden

            It’s all about the books.
            🙂

          • FirstGarden

            I appreciate your willingness to see the better in others. But sometimes reality presents a rude awakening. Here’s where I get these notions. Having been in the workplace some 40 years, 28 of those retail, I’ve heard some pretty strange stories about the gnarly cowboy moves some proprietors make.

            I’ve seen a few things personally, as well. I once worked for this company from Ohio for a short stint, back in the mid-late 80s. This cadre of slime thought they could come here to California and pull off their modus operandi here.

            But competition is much more fierce here. They sold appliances and home electronics. And in California, everyone and their brother and their hamster were in that business. Plus, the consumers in Calif. are far more wary, I believe.

            Well, anyhow, I started to see a number of disturbing signs. One was a very fragrant practice of bait & switch, where they’d advertise merchandise that they didn’t have, and weren’t going to have. That left the hapless sales guy facing an angry lynch mob; that is, unless he wanted to be like the lying, low-crawling management.

            But this is what made me quit. They did a promo of free handheld TVs with the purchase of certain laundry pairs, the prices of which they raised prior to absorb the cost difference. Well, the delivery of “free” TVs was mysteriously delayed for weeks. Then finally they arrived.

            Here’s where the real fun begins. The cause for the delay became clear a memo announced that the TVs did not come with AC adapters, etc. But, the customers can buy them for $10.

            Then the sordid truth hit me. All the AC adapters / kits were in the back in a huge pile on a pallet. Mine eyes beheld the bloody carnage.

            Then, when the more wary customers took out the owners’ manual, it described on page 6 that the accessories were INCLUDED. Well, that caused no small stir when another memo came out saying, “Yank page 6 from all the manuals!!”

            Most telling was the printout of store sales that I saw. All sales were written manually on paper invoices. By the time the data was inputted, it was done so with the peculiar finger. 25 cents was missing from the price of every item sold. Simple math will tell you that this amount, with say $20,000 to $30,000 a day in sales, times a dozen or so stores, amounts to a rather handsome sum.

            Even a meager $12,000 a day, times 12 stores, over a month’s time comes to over $1,000,000.

          • keelah

            Perfect for turning into low cost/low income housing… so long as it is maintained and don’t let the riff raff/gangs/mafia take over.

    • none

      Thank god this is happening!
      Now the city of New York can save the expense of building 90 homeless shelters.

      • MyBrooklyn1

        I think criminals in suits should use it for jail in order to imprison people who refuse to vote in NY

  • socalbeachdude

    Mall Closures Ripple Through Small Town America – WSJ

    STEUBENVILLE, Ohio—The Fort Steuben Mall in this former steel town on the edge of the Ohio River is battling a double whammy of store closures that have thrust it into a fight for survival. On one side of the mall is an empty space that housed a Sears…

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/shopping-malls-woes-ripple-through-an-ohio-town-1484834402

  • socalbeachdude

    Mall REITs rocked by news of J.C. Penney store closures

    Shares of real-estate investment trusts tied to malls fell sharply Friday, after J.C. Penney Co. became the latest retailer to announce plans to close stores, further shaking confidence in the sector at a time of slowing traffic.

    J.C. Penney JCP, -4.79% said it will close 130 to 140 stores in the next few months, to “help align the company’s brick-and-mortar presence with its omnichannel network, thereby redirecting capital resources to invest in locations and initiatives that offer the greatest revenue potential.”

    The department-store operator announced the move as it reported fourth-quarter earnings showing below-consensus sales and offered a weak outlook for 2017 same-store sales.

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/mall-reits-rocked-by-news-of-jc-penney-store-closures-2017-02-24

  • Bill

    The fact that malls are closing, along with the fact that 10 states now have larger welfare numbers than employment numbers, signals devastating news for the stock market. At this time it seems encouraging news is a very rare commodity…..it may be an early Spring, but Spring fever will be hard to catch.

    • JC Teecher

      Malls closing, retail chains closing stores, and larger welfare numbers seem to have no affect of the stock market. The markets are driven on hype and by people that have lots of money to keep investing with and moving around.
      The market does not rely on the little man to make it move.

  • William Lutz

    The steady yet accelerating economic crisis makes me sort of anxious. I’m particularly excited for March 15.

    • ALWAYSTOMORROW

      What emotion best describe your feelings about March 14th or March 16th? August 8th?

      • William Lutz

        Stoked yet nervous at the same time.

  • tacoma

    ” … about 400 of the country’s 1,100 enclosed malls will fail in the upcoming years. Of those that remain, he predicts that about 250 will thrive and the rest will continue to struggle.”

    What does this tell me? It tells me America is still in fine shape. A country that still have 700 big malls after downsizing, and operate the world biggest online retail websites, all doing trillions in business, has got to be in fantastic shape.

    No other country comes close on a per capita basis. The U.S. is still the world biggest consumer of stuffs. World biggest consumer of debts.

    I will believe America in trouble when the Pentagon budget by 10%, to a most painful $750 billion per year. Not going to happen under any conceivable situation. Because its ability to fabricate wars is unlimited. And they always get more money for war.

    So enjoy the stuff, enjoy the debt, enjoy the shopping, and enjoy the wars!

    • JC Teecher

      You are right about America being the largest consumer of stuffs. People have too much stuff and too much “old” money and Credit Card money.

      They throw away more food and stuff monthly, than what Third World populations have ever seen in their entire lives.

      One day America will realize how much they have been blessed, and took it for granted…when it is gone.

  • Guest

    I, personally, think it’s their pricing…come on: $80.00 for a pair of CHEAP jeans??? WTF???
    I don’t go to the mall for this reason alone…and if I do, it’s only because of the sales.

    • socalbeachdude

      Sears had authentic Levi jeans on sale for $39.99 for many weeks during the holiday season and I bought a pair of them at that price.

      • LIZ THE SHIZ

        I bet they were MOM JEANS

        • SnodtBlossom

          Deine Oma masturbiert im stehen!

          • FirstGarden

            Let’s keep grandma out of this.

        • socalbeachdude

          They were normal Levi 505 regular fit jeans and the entire array of Levi jeans was on sale at sears for $39.99 each.

  • FirstGarden

    I was in retail 28 years, so I’m especially sensitive to this subject. It’s been coming on for a long time. Some economists were predicting the big one by the 90s. I’m sure they sold a lot of books. Most of their insights were dead on, but their timetable was off.

    Today, more than ever, we have a proactive govt that simply will not let nature take its course. Their invention is one of those “unique events” which may, from time to time, sidestep, or forestall, cyclical ups and downs.

    It’s a bit like the next big one – in terms of seismic activity. One one sense, earthquakes are very good for us because they are a shift, or “correction”, in the earth’s tectonic plates. That very serious business. But what if we didn’t get periodic earth quakes? The pent up forces would continue to build until the tectonic movement is so great, we would end up with communities looking like a tossed salad.

    You know where I’m going with this, right? Manipulate the numbers, spin all the news, and continue stroking the public’s monetary labido, — BTW, whose spending accounts for roughly 75% of the economy — until the law of Cause & Effect can no longer be forestalled.

    The stock market is looking more & more like an untethered helium balloon, or some overheated blimp that just can’t take any more.
    Do you hear a rupturing sound?

    All those empty malls will be good detention centers for dissidents, (those deemed enemies of the deep state), and whomsoever they’d like to throw in there.

    If I’m not mistaken, the g o v t agency, FEMA, has already contracted with the mall property mngt companies for such purposes.

    Welcome to Southland Mall – a place where people shop and never check out.

    • socalbeachdude

      94% of all retail sales still take place in traditional “brick and mortar” retail stores.

      • Wizard of Aus

        Wrong Chas.

        • socalbeachdude

          What I stated is correct.

      • FirstGarden

        Thanks for clarifying.

      • Spatial Memory

        The fourth quarter 2016 e-commerce estimate increased 14.3 percent (±1.8%) from the fourth quarter of 2015 while total retail sales increased 4.1 percent (±0.7%) in the same period. E-commerce sales in the fourth quarter of 2016 accounted for 8.3 percent of total sales

        • socalbeachdude

          The bottom line is that online retail sales are LESS THAN 10% of all retail sales in the USA in the first quarter of 2017.

      • Paul Patriot

        So, amazon and others only account for 6%????

        Hard to believe

    • Mr.Cipher

      The same with book stores. It’s a miracle that Barns and Noble still have their doors open. Shure, I’ll go there to browse. If there’s a book I want I reach for my cell phone. With one click it’s on my door step within 48 hours at a much lower price.

      • FirstGarden

        As you know, we’ve been seeing lots of retail marriages in recent times. Banks in supermarkets, Fedex in Kinkos, MacDonalds in Walmarts, etc, And Starbucks are ubiquitous. Expect more mergers, too.

        (Antitrust laws keep smaller companies from merging. But the big boys have deep pockets, and retain a team of high-powered lawyers. Between this and waving some serious money in their face, it’s not hard convince the FTC cronies that “It will [somehow] be better for the consumer” if they merge. I once worked for a medium-sized company that tried to merge with another. Antitrust laws disallowed this. Then, lo & behold, mergers like Exxon / Mobile transpire. Go figure.)

        These are survival times, and a few more household names will disappear before it’s all over.

        • Spatial Memory

          FedEx bought Kinko’s in 2004

          • FirstGarden

            Okay, time for a laugh..

            There was an old lady who swallowed a fly;
            I don’t know why she swallowed a fly – perhaps she’ll die!
            There was an old lady who swallowed a spider;
            That wriggled and wiggled and tickled inside her!
            She swallowed the spider to catch the fly;
            I don’t know why she swallowed a fly – Perhaps she’ll die!
            There was an old lady who swallowed a bird;
            How absurd to swallow a bird!
            She swallowed the bird to catch the spider,
            She swallowed the spider to catch the fly;
            I don’t know why she swallowed a fly – Perhaps she’ll die!
            There was an old lady who swallowed a cat;
            Fancy that to swallow a cat!
            She swallowed the cat to catch the bird,
            She swallowed the bird to catch the spider,
            She swallowed the spider to catch the fly;
            I don’t know why she swallowed a fly – Perhaps she’ll die!
            There was an old lady that swallowed a dog;
            What a hog, to swallow a dog!
            She swallowed the dog to catch the cat,
            She swallowed the cat to catch the bird,
            She swallowed the bird to catch the spider,
            She swallowed the spider to catch the fly;
            I don’t know why she swallowed a fly – Perhaps she’ll die!
            There was an old lady who swallowed a goat;
            She just opened her throat and swallowed a goat!
            She swallowed the goat to catch the dog,
            She swallowed the dog to catch the cat,
            She swallowed the cat to catch the bird,
            She swallowed the bird to catch the spider,
            She swallowed the spider to catch the fly;
            I don’t know why she swallowed a fly – Perhaps she’ll die!
            There was an old lady who swallowed a cow;
            I don’t know how she swallowed a cow!
            She swallowed the cow to catch the goat,
            She swallowed the goat to catch the dog,
            She swallowed the dog to catch the cat,
            She swallowed the cat to catch the bird,
            She swallowed the bird to catch the spider,
            She swallowed the spider to catch the fly;
            I don’t know why she swallowed a fly – Perhaps she’ll die!
            There was an old lady who swallowed a horse…
            …She’s dead, of course!

          • Spatial Memory

            There was a poor old bear who swallowed some hogwash of a collapsing economy from a ludicrous online source.

            No telling why he was duped while the economy experienced it’s greatest expansion and stocks fly.

          • FirstGarden

            LOL.

          • FirstGarden

            “Bear” as in a bear economy?

            Or “bear” as a person?

            O pray tell, and exposit the encroaching riddle.

          • Zlatko Milanovic

            Point well taken, but the economy does have troubling signs, the debt bomb is ticking, and we have chaos in Washington. Nothing wrong with being prepared just in case. No one saw 1929 or 2008 either….

          • socalbeachdude

            The collapses in both of those years were TOTALLY OBVIOUS for many years before the stock markets collapsed just as they are now and have been over the past 8 years for anyone to see.

          • JC Teecher

            There were a few of us that saw the writing on the wall for 2008. I was making some fat paychecks in 2006/07 as a Driver Trainer in a new International big Truck, driving from Coast to Coast in 4 & 1/2 to 5 days on average, unless i had to deliver in the Gay Bay area of Cali.aka the big shaky; which took an extra 12 to 24 hours on average, depending on the cracker head I may have been training/teaching.

            The little woman and I decided that things were getting pretty unstable, so we decided to get out of debt in early 2007. We sold assets, and paid it all off, so the big crash did not bother us at all.

          • FirstGarden

            I think the story is about too many acquisitions and hostile takeovers.

          • William Lutz

            Don’t take Michael’s warnings and advice as “cry wolf” claims. Don’t let the positive Wall Street charts fool you. They are not reliable information.

          • woodguy11

            Pensions are drying up also so it’s not just the retail industy

          • none

            Did she die, like somone after eating Mexican food?

          • FirstGarden

            I believe it was from a severe case of Hoof and Mouth Disease.

          • Arthur Wholeflaffers

            SHUT UP

          • socalbeachdude

            Which is now called FedEx Office.

          • Horse

            That should be “KinkyFed”

        • William Lutz

          Anti trust laws are messed up. Merging companies is a great move in a lot of cases.

          • socalbeachdude

            There is nothing “messed up” about either the Sherman Act or the Clayton Act which are the Anti-Trust laws in the USA except that they are now nearly totally NOT BEING ENFORCED.

      • Jill

        Barnes and Noble will save itself with their campus bookstore investment, but I wouldn’t expect them to last too long in the retail market.

  • BS1986

    They will collapse the US Economy under Trump-hes the perfect scapegoat for them, after 8 years of financial madness SOMEONE has to pay the piper and he so graciously volunteered for them.

  • Spatial Memory

    One third of economic collapse prognosticators will likely close down or collapse long before one third of the nation’s shopping malls.

    • FirstGarden

      I doubt it, but I hope you’re right.

  • Bob

    No doubt people buy more products online nowadays. However, Michael points out that Americans have no money because of unemployment or part time employment. The Dollar Store remains busy, but middle class stores lose business because of the poor economy. It will only worsen as more people lose their jobs.

    • Spatial Memory

      The correlation / covariance between lack of education with unemployment and “no money” is much more direct than notions of blaming “the poor economy”.

      • sharonsj

        Is that why Starbucks likes to hire college grads?

    • SnodtBlossom

      Not only do more people buy products online, but the recycle arena has expanded. Buying used electronics etc has become a lot easier.

  • Bob

    Michael:
    I have followed your articles for many years now. Why hasn’t the economy collapsed? Surely, all the economic indicators show a crisis. What keeps everything afloat? Has nature ordained that we die slowly because of our economic sins?

    • Paul Patriot

      No, nature has not ordained anything. The God of heaven ordained all things.

      One reason perhaps, is that we have been so strong for so long that the collapse is taking longer. Also the banksters are waiting for the right time to pull the switch.

      • socalbeachdude

        Bankers do not “pull the switch” on anything.

    • Guest

      It really is astonishing that it has continued this long. I think that those in charge are a lot smarter than we think. That’s not to say that they’ve made good decisions. No, I think that what they’ve done to keep the global economy afloat will only make the inevitable collapse much worse.

      • DigitalThumb

        The whole thing is collapsing now in real time. Retail has been fighting a rear guard action since 2009, they have run out of rope. Falling margins, increased debt, declining footfall. Retail is failing because the consumer has been in deflationary spiral for years, latent inflation and falling wages how could this end any other way.

        • Guest

          Good comments. But people are still buying. I went out this morning for groceries. I went to my usual stores–Costco, Trader Joe’s, Whole Foods Market–and, let me tell you, people are buying!

          • socalbeachdude

            Yes, at grocery stores, but no at general retail stores and department stores and specialty stores which are what malls are about and without such traffics malls are in very substantial trouble.

    • jakartaman

      One of the reasons is that the economy runs on faith.
      Faith that the dollar is still of value. Faith that the interdependencies of all the links in the economic chain are and will continue to work.
      What do you think will happen when people lose that faith?

      • socalbeachdude

        The US dollar has been soaring in value and is up more than 30% since its lows of 2014 and has increased in purchasing value against food and most commodities during the past 3 years. The US dollar is the strongest and most important currency in the world and will becoming increasingly so over the foreseeable future.

    • DigitalThumb

      I will tell why it stays afloat it is because of denial. I worked for a company that I left last year ago because I saw the writing on the wall, I tried to warn my fellow workers with a reasoned argument but they dismissed my point of view completely, it wasn’t that they disbelieved me it was they just didn’t want to face up to the warning. I left they stayed, they are all getting laid off the end of this month the office is closing completely. Now they are panicking, I can’t quite find the emotion to feel sorry for them. Some people can’t be rescued.

  • Estar

    Within the past month I went to Best Buy twice. They didn’t have what I wanted either time and offered to order it online for me. I said, no thanks, I can do that myself. The items were fairly common. One was a printer USB cord, the other was an external hard drive. (They only had two brand choices, neither of which was adequate). I went there because I wanted it that day. I also went to Barnes and Nobles and ordered a book as a gift. A week later, I called because I hadn’t heard from them. The book had not left the warehouse. When I asked why, the clerk said, I don’t know…because of the snow? I found a different locally owned bookstore that actual had the book in stock and bought it there. The point is, maybe some of these retail stores should try harder. Let the malls biodegrade back into the ground or turn them into homeless shelters.

    • JC Teecher

      This is exactly why Amazon is doing so well. I just ordered two items for our travel vehicle, maintenance, and saved about $40.00 over the price at the local Auto Parts Store. The store did not have them in stock when I checked online. I would have had to drive to the store, pay and order, then drive back to the store and pick up the items, while paying them an extra $40.00 bucks for my inconvenience.

      • Zlatko Milanovic

        Hi JC. Same thing here. I found 4 hubcaps on Amazon for the price of one from the dealership, who didn’t have it in stock anyway. A local store that specializes in hubcaps didn’t have one either! Amazon is great for the consumer.

        • JC Teecher

          Yes it is, and with my Amazon Prime, i get no hassle purchasing, and usually, but not always, find the item/items i want much cheaper than the usual brick and mortar stores.

          Being retired, I have the time to dedicate to bargain shopping. Just like today, I had to take the little woman to the big city for her usual Dr’s appointment.

          In killing the hour or so I drive about a mile to the nearby Sam’s Club and compare prices on items we use regularly, to items on sale at the local market.

          The cheaper supplier gets our $$.
          I found a four lb. package of Angus ground beef, marked down to $2.35 a lb, for quick sale. Enough for our ground meat requirements for at least a month.

          When I was owner and operator of a Convenience Store/Game Room, in the 80’s, I learned real quick that the nickels and dimes was where my attention was needed, and the dollars would take care of themselves.

          • socalbeachdude

            Good buy! Being a SAVVY SHOPPER is always a very good thing!

          • Zlatko Milanovic

            Do you think Sam’s Club is worth the 45 bucks?

          • JC Teecher

            For us it is, because we buy enough whole loins, and cut our own steaks for grilling.
            the little woman buys her clothes detergent, health aids, and other items that really add up.
            We eat bacon about three to four times each week, and get the best deal around on precooked Hormel, the best, in large packs.

            so all in all, over a year, we still come out ahead because we are near there with her regular Dr.visits anyhow.

            If we had to drive the 100 miles round trip five or six times a year, “just” for Sam’s Club, it probably would not make economic sense to continue the membership.

            Also I almost forgot, tires. We bought a set of Goodyear, when they ran a sale, and got a major savings. Lifetime road hazard warranty, and tire rotation, and balance, every 7000 miles, included.

          • Zlatko Milanovic

            I have a membership, but I’ve only been a few times, and I didn’t really see any significant savings or lower prices. The tires sound like a good deal. That alone might make it worth it. It’s also close by, so no worries about travel. Thanks for the info.

          • JC Teecher

            if you are single, or have no relatives/friends nearby to shop and share the membership fee, it is hard to justify.

  • JC Teecher

    Many ask the same question that Bob does…”Why hasn’t the economy collapsed?”

    Two reasons that most people are far removed from the gradual decline, are obvious; and that is debt and social media.
    If an unexpected expense arises, the average person borrows the money to fix the problem and make it disappear …temporarily, so they can get back to life with their handhelds, laptops, and PCs, on interacting socially with their followers.
    I say temporarily because at some point those payments, which are usually Credit Cards, come with a high interest rate.
    Once all those cards are maxed, more applications for more credit is the answer, until there is no more answers, and the well has been dipped dry.

    Why all the rush to fix problems “right now”? Because we as modern society have become fixated on distractions from reality, and the more we engage in “socializing”, and in most cases, seeking “drama”, the reality has to take a back seat.

    Even the “new age” senior citizens have taken up the teen craze of facebooking, etc., to stay engaged and distracted from anything big and negative, that may keep them awake at night.

    One day everyone will wake up, open their eyes, and see that the world around them has crumbled and collapsed into something that can’t be revived.
    Where Malls and shopping centers once stood, there is nothing but concrete and asphalt on empty spaces of property. The property owners probably could have saved a large percentage of those businesses had it not been for greed, that kept raising the rent.

  • Jill

    This should come as a surprise. As the Baby Boomers retire and begin to embrace living on less (whether by choice or necessity), it will become increasingly clear that there is too much retail square footage per capita in America. I’ve seen Amazon blamed time and again. While they are taking market share from brick and mortar, the fact that Americans are shopping less is undeniable when you remove autos from the equation.

    • socalbeachdude

      Auto sales have plummeted in the US starting in the last quarter of 2016 and many auto sellers are down 20% of so in sales.

  • carl

    Speaking of declines has anyone read trumpcare. Seems like now this will benefit the insurance companies still and the middle class somewhat but not really.

    Why can’t our members of congress draft something that is equitable for the people without all the special interests and concerns of paid lobbyists?

    My favorite part of the bill is if you lapse in coverage ever the insurance companies get to charge you a 30% higher premium.

    Basically nothing changes if nothing changes. Thanks for nothing Donald J. Trump and your buddies in the swamp.

    Keeping the status quo when it is not working is par for the course. Kind of like the states refusing to give up the old dog of daylight savings time. Which btw most farmers did not want when it was first initiated.

    Funny how with technology industries are dying but the golden gooses are allowed to remain propped up with our tax dollars to keep key friends and players rolling in the dough.

    We know something better can be done, but as with any change there are many that will have to be sacrificed on that altar of change.

    They don’t seem to mind when it is you and I but if it affects their wallets and their friends wallets they will fight tooth and nail to keep an inefficient system going.

    • socalbeachdude

      Government needs to TOTALLY GET OUT of the medical industry. The new 66 page stupidity still totally VIOLATES THE CORE PRINCIPLES OF INSURANCE which requires SOUND UNDERWRITING and EXCLUSION OF PEOPLE THAT ARE OF HIGH RISK from any coverage but totally fails to do that.

    • William Lutz

      Exactly. It’s a neoconservative version of Obamacare, nothing more or less. The updated health care law will allow insurance companies to play chess upon recipients, and it will still be expensive and wasteful. In addition, it doesn’t address the skyrocketing health care expenses. Also take in consideration the amount of jobs that yet need to be created in order to pay for health care costs.

  • Mar 07, 2017 Iconic 102 year old retailer ready to file for bankruptcy, 100 stores to close?

    The retail apocalypse is upon us. According to this Omaha report, Gordmans is ready to file for Bankruptcy….100 stores to close?

    http://www.thomasdishaw.com/iconic-102-year-old-retailer-ready-file-bankruptcy-100-stores-close/

  • aliceinwonder

    Oh just raise minimum wage to $100 hr so people will have money to spend! hahahahaaaaa.

  • Zlatko Milanovic

    Can’t say I’m sorry about malls. They’ve become places for teenage thugs to gather and rob customers in the parking lot. Good riddance.

    • William Lutz

      I’m also happy about the retail apocalypse. Malls are cesspools of spoiled materialistic youth who spend too much of their parents’ money on crap.

      • Zlatko Milanovic

        Ya, I agree.

    • socalbeachdude

      Many malls are very nice shopping places.

  • DJohn1

    This is the result of forcing health insurance on everyone.
    It has taken a dramatic forcing of income out of the middle class of America.
    The competition for retail business in these stores is harsh.
    The only answer I know is to repeal the Obamacare law and not replace it.
    You want to outlaw something? Outlaw dramatic increases in deductibles in the insurance business. Mine went from 600 dollars per person per year to over 6,000 dollars per year per person under Obama.
    Push those deductables back to 600.
    Push those premiums back also.
    Then put competition back in the insurance business.
    Sears, JC Penny and many more department stores have not kept up with the retail price of goods. They are dinosaurs and need to go out of business for that reason alone.
    The overhead of keeping a shopping mall open is way too high in the competitive retail business right now.
    With that overhead comes higher prices for the same goods you can get elsewhere much cheaper.
    Best Buy, Gregg, Penny, Sears, Kmart, and other big chains are not keeping up and cannot when they have overhead like they have.
    Even stores like Walmart are in very harsh competition with the internet and Amazon. Even Amazon is over priced on some things.
    The battle is really about who gets the money in my wallet and every other American wallet out there.
    So far the dinosaurs are not faring very well.

    • socalbeachdude

      What needs to be outlawed in the medical expense insurance industry is COVERAGE FOR GUARANTEED LOSSES (PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS) as that violates the very principles of insurance which cover only the RISK OF LOSS and no insurer can remain solvent while covering GUARANTEED LOSSES.

    • JC Teecher

      Right about the dinosaurs not fairing well.

      When you speak of the Un-affordable Un-caring Act, it is evident from the initial plan put forth to the public, that the Insurance and Big Pharma lobbyist are hard at work on their paid politicians, as they want to keep paying the big insurers for just being alive and breathing, it seems

      That is why Rand Paul calls it the Obamacare Lite Plan.
      He is right; it will never work for the benefit of the consumer. It is another scam and con deal put forth by the establishment cronies on the right.

      • socalbeachdude

        Medical Expense Insurance company are the MOST ADVERSELY AFFECTED ENTITIES by the ACA (ObamaScare) which is why they are losing so money money and WITHDRAWING ALL COVERAGES from availability.

        The massive PRICE GOUGING that is causing high costs in the medical expense industries is all from the PHARMACEUTICALS and HOSPITAL CORPORATIONS and those are the issues that need to be addressed to get costs under control and down about 80% from where they are now.

        • billtheguy

          I agree on the price gouging across the board, including the insurance companies. The have to make a profit to stay in business, just how much profit? Hospitals and doctors need to have some competitiveness. Let’s Look at everything… A hospital employs a nurse, I don’t know what they make, but lets say $30 an hr. A hospital will probably charge $60. That is just one thing. I was in sales for a while, I know its not the same, but we tacked on 25% profit on EVERYTHING, I mean everything!

          • socalbeachdude

            Medical expense insurance companies are NOT PRICE GOUGING AT ALL but rather attempting to charge premiums that will at least cover their costs which is impossible to do when they are FORCED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO COVER GUARANTEED LOSSES if they offer medical expense insurance coverage.

            Karl Denninger sums up the situation with medical costs perfectly in his article below.

            Welcome To Reality, IDIOTS! – By Karl Denninger

            Time for this one again:

            In place of quick service and painless billing, these Virginians are now facing the threat of sticker-shock that comes with bills they can’t afford.

            ‘They had no idea if my insurance was active or not!’ a coughing Maria Galvez told MailOnline outside the Inova Healthplex facility in the town of Springfield.

            She was leaving the building without getting a needed chest x-ray.

            ‘The people in there told me that since I didn’t have an insurance card, I would be billed for the whole cost of the x-ray,’ Galvez said, her young daughter in tow. ‘It’s not fair – you know, I signed up last week like I was supposed to.’

            The x-ray’s cost, she was told, would likely be more than $500.

            An X-ray shouldn’t cost more than $50.

            But it’s $500, and even if you actually have the insurance under Brosurance, otherwise known as “Obaminationcare”, you are going to get the entire $500 bill anyway.

            Why?

            Because you have a $5,500 deductible, and until you pay that $5,500 out of your pocket you get nothing from the so-called “insurance” except the monthly bill that automatically comes out of your checking account.

            And if you don’t have that $5,500 unless you’re literally dying right here, right now the doctor or hospital will not see you — until you prove you can pay him first.

            If you thought this wasn’t what you were going to get you’re not very bright.

            http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=227272

          • carl

            So you are telling me that obamacare insurance will not lower said cost of x-ray to the 50.00 that an insurance company would pay to the hospital?

          • socalbeachdude

            Where would you get that bogus notion? Insurance companies do not pay $50 for that x-ray at all but rather much more, but that is in fact what an x-ray should cost.

          • carl

            What I am asking you is if someone has obamacare are they still paying chargemaster rates OR are they paying what an insurance company would pay for said xray?

          • socalbeachdude

            ObamaScare (the ACA) is NOT A SINGLE INSURANCE PLAN for rather a 2,300+ page program with a whole array of laws on particular programs including 1) MEDICAID, 2) Co-Ops (nearly all of which are now INSOLVENT and out of business), and 3) modified private insurance plans marketed as a) bronze, b) silver, c) gold, and d) platinum. And they all pay VARYING RATES for medical services to medical providers.

  • Stuey

    More people are buying online. Online sales is what is hurting brick and mortar retailers. It’s just a shift in where and how people spend their money.

    • William Lutz

      That’s only one factor. And online retailers tend to be cheaper, I guess.

      • Stuey

        Yep, they are cheaper and shipped right to your door. Who wants to go out and spend time shopping and having to hassle with bad traffic and the rude hateful people of our current society.

        • socalbeachdude

          That doesn’t work very well with large items, and the service at most retail stores in the USA is very courteous and friendly.

          • Stuey

            It works fine with larger items, the stores will deliver furniture and appliances and put them in your house, no problem. Yeah i guess the retail stores in Beverly Hills that you go to are courteous, why don’t you go out into the real world some day.

        • socalbeachdude

          Shopping is a VERY PLEASANT EXPERIENCE. You should try it more
          often at nice stores and shops around you. Here on Rodeo Drive in
          Beverly Hills, CA shopping is a particularly pleasant experience and the
          car show is wonderful!

          • Stuey

            You are so out of touch with real america it isn’t even funny.

    • socalbeachdude

      Online sales account for LESS THAN 10% of retail sales in the United States. Yes, they are growing significantly, but more than 90% of all retail sales are at traditional “brick and mortar” stores in the USA.

      • Stuey

        Yep, and that 10% is killing the retail stores. And online sales will just continue to increase. Retail stores are a thing of the past, in 50 years there will be very few, probably only the high end ones like the ones you visit in Beverly Hills.

  • jakartaman

    Tick Tock Tick Tock Tick Tock BOOM!

  • Kel57

    Good one about the fly lol

  • Paul Benson

    Economic stability is a blessing from God we no longer qualify for. A progressive judgment upon the sins of this nation has brought us to the point we are at. Without a return to righteousness we will not see America made great again. We will see an increase in the manifestation of judgment upon this nation; and upon the entire world.

    We see a world government and the global tyranny it will bring rising all around us. The time of tribulation Jesus prophesied of is on the horizon. And there will be NO pre-trib rapture of the Church as many are preaching. That doctrine is a unbiblical fable. The Body of Christ will be here on earth until the Second Coming of Christ. Solid proof the pre-trib rapture theory is not correct teaching is provided in the new book ‘The Pre-trib Rapture: A Bucket Full of Holes!’. You can download it for FREE at this link:

    http://www.paulbenson.me/downloads.html

    Blessings upon all who love our Christ;
    Paul Benson
    http://www.paulbenson.me

    • James Staten

      Do you have any insight into why during this dispensation of grace, the Apostle Paul addresses three groups of people in 1 Corinthians 10:32?

      • Paul Benson

        Hi James;
        First off, the Bible does NOT teach dispensational theology. That is an invention of man. The word dispensation used in the Scriptures deals with administration, and distribution of grace (think soap-dispenser), not chopping up the history of the church into segments! The notion that the supposed ‘age of grace’ comes to an end at the pre-trib rapture is a falsehood; nothing in the Scriptures indicates any such thing.

        As far as 1Cor. 10:32, the Church is not Jew or Gentile, but ‘one new man in Christ’. THIS is why the three groups.

        The theology of a pre-trib rapture rests upon the errors of dispensational theory. One of the main faults of their theory is concerning election. The true biblical teachings on the elect of God are clearly shown in Romans 11. Pre-trib theory forces one to disregard what is taught in Romans 11, and embrace a separation theory which is in direct contradiction to the Bible. Here are more thoughts on this:

        https://pbenson.me/2016/10/31/the-elect-of-god-today/

        In Christ Jesus;
        Paul Benson

        • James Staten

          I appreciate you answering the question, so there are three groups. Doesn’t Paul speak of dispensations three or four times in Scripture? Particularly in Ephesians 3:2-5 where Paul states that he was given a mystery which was kept secret in times past, but during this “dispensation of grace of God” has been given to him to give to us?

          • socalbeachdude

            What exactly does that have to do with SPACE AVAILABLE in mall real estate?

          • Paul Benson

            Respectfully James;
            I see a real evident ‘slanting; in your choice of words that steers away from the truths presented in the Scripture you quote.

            1). The pre-trib rapture is NOT the mystery God gave to Paul to share with us. I discuss that in detail here:

            https://pbenson.me/2016/05/31/the-rapture-is-not-the-mystery-god-revealed-to-paul/

            2). The word ‘dispensations’ does not occur in the N.T. even one time! The word ‘dispensation’ does occur 4 times. All the same Greek word: oy-kon-om-ee’-ah

            From G3623; administration (of a household or estate); specifically a (religious) “economy”: – dispensation, stewardship.

            When the Bible talks of ‘dispensation of Grace’ it referring to the distribution (dispensing) of that grace; and the stewardship responsibilities we have as recipients of that grace.We are called to dispense it! Dispensational (separation) theology is bogus and denies the truth of God’s Word on many fronts. My latest blog article discusses the heretical nature of what pre-trib theory teaches on the tribulation Saints. And what they teach IS heresy!
            3). You used the phrase ‘during this dispensation’ to indicate a segment of time. That is not in accord with the biblical usage or a proper definition of the word. You are reading your doctrine into the text; which is the only way you can come up with a pre-trib theory as the Bible teaches no such thing.
            I invite you to check out the two free books I offer and the numerous blog articles on my site.
            In Christ Jesus;
            Paul Benson

          • socalbeachdude

            And that rant has nothing at all to do with mall vacancies in the slightest, does it?

          • James Staten

            Well I guess this conversation is almost over? So leave off the “S” and it is dispensation instead of plural that’s fine. Paul wrote the words dispensation of the grace of God, I don’t believe that I am slanting anything. Just a few more thoughts. A dispensation is an administration? Therefore the Obama Administration and the Trump Administration are the same, but yet they are different in the way things are or were dispensed? Paul was given a mystery(s) which had never been revealed before to any man during this dispensation. My question to you is do you claim that the Church in the Wilderness and the Church which is His body, the Body of Christ are the same? Remember Paul speaks of revelation from the Risen Savior of a New Creation. Blessings, James

          • socalbeachdude

            I’d suggest you start dealing with reality and the topic of this article.

    • carl

      “Economic stability is a blessing from God we no longer qualify for.” When did we ever qualify for this to begin with? Was it when we purposely committed genocide against the Indian people?

      Or any of the other hundreds of thousands of innocent lives we took in the name of giving them a democracy – unasked for the majority of the time?

      Or any of the other lying and scheming our government has done in the name of getting rid of communism, socialism, etc.

      Or interfering in other nations because the outcomes would not benefit the elite?

      Or using third world countries as a toxic dumping ground for US corporations?

      Or buying products produced from China, Vietnam, etc that are made using slave labor and underpaid labor?

      Or any of the other terrible things our leaders – whom we keep voting back into office have done?

      Do you sleep well at night because none of this has happened where you live?

      Do you even think about the conditions others are living in as a direct result of our government?

      Does it matter to you?

      No because you believe the country you live in is ordained and chosen by god. The heck with the rest of the planet. The truth is that the only reason you enjoy the comforts you do is because our leaders do bad, bad things and the American people look the other way.

      That is until now that the shoe dropping and we are slowly being treated the way the rest of the masses in other countries have been treated for decades/centuries even.

      If is not fun to be on the receiving end of the proverbial stick. Our complacency in regards to what we will and won’t put up with by our government is the reason we are getting what we asked for.

      It is not because your god has decided to stop interfering in the affairs of the USA (which may I remind you was not even in existence when your bible was written).

      • JC Teecher

        But USA is written about in the bible, and hardly no one has discovered it, because it is not called USA, but it is identified in Daniel, whereby we are the wings of the Great Eagle, that has been plucked from the back of the Lion. The Lion represents Great Britain of which the majority of early settlers were from, that started America.

        There are a couple other places that America, the most blessed nation on Earth is written about, but most minds are too small to comprehend it , so i will not waste my time posting about any of it.

        • I agree. The US is talked about in the Bible. The US is too big of a historical event to be left out of the Bible. The US is a much bigger event than the so called: “Holy Roman Empire”. The US is one of the biggest events in the history of mankind.

          • socalbeachdude

            What utterly bogus nonsense. The Bible was written 2000 years ago and the US has only been in existence for 241 years since it was founded in 1776 so obviously it couldn’t be and isn’t “talked about” in the Bible at all.

          • My comment was directed to those people who believe the Bible is a legitimate source of prophesy or indicator of future events. If a person does not believe the Bible to be a source of prophesy then you make complete sense.

          • carl

            What on earth? And hinduism is older than christianity and the chinese invented ice cream and jesus was not christian.

          • socalbeachdude

            Jesus of Nazareth was the FIRST CHRISTIAN – obviously – which is where the name is derived from. He was also the world’s first TRUE SOCIALIST.

          • carl

            jesus was never a christian he followed jewish law.

          • socalbeachdude

            Nope. Jesus of Nazareth was the very FIRST CHRISTIAN. And he followed ROMAN LAW.

          • carl

            NO HE WAS NOT THE FIRST CHRISTIAN. Christianity did NOT exist when jesus was on the earth.

          • aldownunder

            Who cares religion is a crock

          • socalbeachdude

            There are many good principles in all religions that are important for folks to follow in order to lead morally sound lives.

          • carl

            Not true. Some people are prone to do evil and others good. My father in law and his parents both had bibles on there coffee tables and went to church on Sunday. They also committed horrible acts of child abuse.

            So religion does not teach people how to be good nor does it give people a moral compass. It seems morality and kindness and all that is taught but not by religion by the family. If you are unlucky and born into one of psychopaths then you may become one yourself. Not all abused abuse though which is a mystery.

            Does that mean we are all who we are from birth and nothing can change that? Is that why good parents can have a serial killer for a son? The human brain is only a processor of information. It is the dna of each person that makes us who or what we become.

          • socalbeachdude

            What utterly bogus drivel nonsense.

          • carl

            I wish it was nonsense but evil exists and it is in a human form. If you have a young child could you ever imagine hitting them so hard that they flew down the hallway and almost died from chest injuries where they were hit? What could a child that young have done so horrible to deserve that? Can you imagine a father (your grandfather) teaching a son to earn his fathers praise by torturing small animals?
            Can you imagine your brother urinating in your mouth as a sick form of discipline? Can you imagine people like this later in life denying these evil acts and then out of the same mouth professing how good god is?

          • socalbeachdude

            Why put up such utter disgusting garbage?

          • carl

            Because it is true.

          • aldownunder

            Sorry can’t agree with that one
            How many people have been killed or abused over time in the name of some so called religion
            Religion is a crock for starting wars and preying on peoples weaknesses

          • socalbeachdude

            Think about how much GOOD HAS BEEN DONE and that far overwhelms the bad done by some people in the name of religion over the past millennia.

          • socalbeachdude

            Jesus of Nazareth and his followers CREATED CHRISTIANITY and it is not about laws but rather is a religion centered around the belief that Jesus of Nazareth is the “son of God.”

          • carl

            NO THEY DID NOT

          • socalbeachdude

            Your utter ignorance is mind boggling.

          • carl

            Your ignorance is not only mid boggling but mind blowing and flabbergasting and utterly wacked. Christianity was started 300 years after jesus died by constantine. The word christian used to have a pagan connection and thus was avoided by followers of your mythological jesus.

          • socalbeachdude

            Thank you for describing YOURSELF so very perfectly. Christianity most certainly DID EXIST among the disciples and other followers of Jesus of Nazareth during the time he was alive which is the inception and ORIGIN OF CHRISTIANITY which was later fully institutionalized into an organized religion.

          • carl

            No it did not. So what bible did they use since the bible was not written until well after jesus died.

          • socalbeachdude

            Once again, your ignorance and lack of comprehension is just mind boggling.

          • carl

            Tell me what bible they used. Was it the king james bible?

          • FirstGarden

            Wow, where do you get your info??

            “Christian” comes from Christ (Messiah), and Christians are merely followers of Christ. The word Christian is what His followers called themselves, according to the record.

            Now, “Christendom”, or man-made religion is an entirely different matter. But the essence of true Christianity is to be a Christ follower. All of its validity is by virtue of Christ BEING the LIFE.

            “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father but by Me.”
            John 14:6

          • JC Teecher

            Oh contraire mon frère, the moment Jesus died on the Cross, Christianity became alive for everyone that believed on Him.
            After the Resurrection, His whole life became manifest for all the world, so that they could go directly to the Father on the Throne in prayer/thought, through the blood of Jesus, as a recompense of sin, and to seek guidance through TKU, Truth Knowledge Understanding.

            It was at Pentecost that the Holy Spirit became manifest within all believers, and therefore one could have the same opportunity to live as Christ, and with enough faith, even perform the same miracles of healing and casting out of demons.

            You need not be lecturing people about God, His Son, or His written word, since you don’t believe in either.

            have a good trip.

          • carl

            The bible was not even written for many decades after his death so you do not know what you are talking about. Please research stuff before you spout off the nonsense your illiterate preacher and family members taught you about jesus and god and the bible.

          • JC Teecher

            You are the biggest liar and idiot to ever post on these ECB blogs.
            Christ even asked many times, “it is written, have you not read it”.

            You and socialbitch dude, need to start your own web together and call it …..
            “DumbassesareUs”

          • FirstGarden

            Whoa, easy tiger, just continue speaking the truth as you have. It has more effect than you may think. The wisdom from above is gently entreated. Like one wise man said, “Don’t spend too much time defending the sword. Use it.”
            🙂

          • carl

            Sorry I know the truth can be scary and painful.

          • JC Teecher

            Yep, and that is precisely why you reject it, but ignorance is bliss, and God will deal with your sorry azz someday soon.

            Have a good trip, rip.

          • socalbeachdude

            Your first paragraph was just fine, but then it all fell apart with your rude, stupid, and totally uncalled for second paragraph!

          • FirstGarden

            I see nothing incorrect in what JC Teecher said. It’s surprising how arrogant you can be toward devoted Bible scholars when you have disavowed its relevance. It sounds like you are still trying to convince yourself.

          • James Staten

            Carl, I am not going to get into this full conversation, but you are accurate in that I believe Paul didn’t start writing his epistles until about 12-15 years after his conversion? And he did write literally half the NT…they obviously used the OT during the transition stage until the Holy Script was complete. Food for Thought

          • carl

            First of all Paul/Saul was NOT an apostle/ disciple of christ when he was alive. In fact he was present a stephens stoning. The apostles did NOT recognize him as such and for his letters to be included in the bible is the ultimate abomination.

          • James Staten

            I will try to be a little kinder than JC, but it is obvious you are biblically ignorant. Now, I hope you enjoy all the piling on “they” can muster!!!!

          • JC Teecher

            You are so ignorant and basically a raving fool. You put Christianity in the bucket of Religions, yet true Christianity is a reality, and a way of life.

            Catholicism christianity is a religion that is based on man’s definition …kinda like your idea of faith…it sux.

          • socalbeachdude

            Actually, you are generally correct, JC.

          • socalbeachdude

            Your comment was factually WRONG as the US has only been in existence for 241 years and the Judeo-Christian Bible was written 2000+ years ago.

          • Dean

            Just a reminder for you not to forget you’re meeting at “Atheists United” at the end of the month. Also don’t forget you’re appointment at the “Betty Ford Clinic” tomorrow.

          • carl

            It must be difficult for the modern christian to come to terms with the fact that long before america was birthed out of the slaughter of native americans that jesus (or is it god? I am not sure since most pray to jesus and leave god entirely out of the picture (much to his warning in the 10 commandments) did not even know about the USA nor did those mystery writers of the bible.

            So one has to ask is god american or unamerican?

          • Dean

            John 10:30 I and the father are one. Jesus and Jehovah are two separate beings but they are both of one nature and essence meaning that they both share the exact same characteristics, qualities, etc. If they weren’t then Jesus sacrifice on the cross wouldn’t have been sufficient for forgiveness of our sins. God was/is still for America but America has fallen into moral depravity. God still has his hand of protection over America for the sake of his chosen few but soon that hand of protection will be removed and Revelation 18 will be fufilled and Gods judgement will be set on America(mystery Babylon).

          • socalbeachdude

            And that rant has just what to do with malls?

          • Dean

            Someone left a comment for you on the president Oprah article I suggest you go read it ha!ha!

          • FirstGarden

            He is neither.

          • socalbeachdude

            Where do you come up with such utter nonsense, dude? What does that have to do with my comment above?

          • FirstGarden

            SBD, he was referring to the Bible in terms of prophecy. There are differing schools of thought about references to America in holy scripture. Even prophecy scholars sometimes find themselves in polite disagreement.

          • socalbeachdude

            Huh? How is there any “prophecy” about a country that didn’t exist at the time and that is obviously not in any way named in the Bible?

          • FirstGarden

            Prophecy, by nature, is the unique ability to foresee the future. The Bible is full of prophecy. Men wrote as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. The Koran, Upanishads, Vedas, Bhagavad Gita and Buddhist writings contain no prophecy.

            Now, IF America is alluded to in the Bible, as some prophecy scholars believe, it is not called “America.” It would be referred to by other names, often associated with region.

            Personally, I hold that inference very lightly, although I respect those who hold it tenaciously.

            🙂

          • SMASH THE CONTROL MACHINE

            LETS MAKE AMERICA BABYLON THE GREAT!!!We begin with an understanding of THE ACTUAL PARAMETERS that God laid down to IDENTIFY THE CHIEF PLAYER OF THE END TIMES – BABYLON THE GREAT, THAT MIGHTY END TIME NATION THAT THINKS ITS LIFE IS ETERNAL, AND WILL NEVER SEE SORROW.

            WHAT THE PROPHETS SAID ABOUT BABYLON

            1. Babylon would be an END TIME GREAT NATION (Rev 17,18; Isa 13:6).

            2. Babylon would have a huge seaport city within its borders (Rev 18:17).

            3. The Great City Babylon is the home of a world government attempt (Rev 17:18).

            4. The Great City Babylon would be the economic nerve center of the world (Rev 18:3).

            5. Babylon would be the center of a one world Luciferian religious movement (Jer 51:44).

            6. Babylon would be the center for the move to a global economic order (Rev 13:16).

            BABYLON THE NATION

            1. Babylon would be the youngest and greatest of the end time nations (Jer 50:12).

            2. Babylon would the QUEEN AMONG THE NATIONS (Isa 47:5,7; Rev 18:7).

            3. Babylon would be the most powerful nation in the world (Isa 47, Jer 50, 51, Rev 18).

            4. Babylon would be the HAMMER OF THE WHOLE EARTH (Jer 50:23; Rev 18:23).

            5. Babylon is called a lady, and has the symbol of the Lady (Isa 47:7-9).

            6. Babylon would be the praise of the WHOLE EARTH (Jer 51:41).

            7. Babylon is center of world trade (Jer 51:44; Rev 17:18; 18:19).

            8. Babylon would grow to be the richest nation in the world (Rev 18:3, 7, 19, 23).

            9. All nations that traded with Babylon would grow rich (Rev 18:3).

            10. The merchants of Babylon were the GREAT MEN OF THE EARTH (Rev 18:23).

            11. Babylon is a huge nation, with lands, cities, and great wealth (implied throughout).

            12. Babylon is nation “peeled”, or timbered, a land of open fields (Isa 18:2).

            13. Babylon is land quartered by mighty rivers (Isa 18:2).

            14. Babylon is a land that is measured out, and populated throughout (Isa 18:2).

            15. Babylon destroys her own land, with pollution and waste (Isa 14:20, 18:2, 7).

            16. Babylon is a land rich in mineral wealth (Jer 51:13).

            17. Babylon is a the leading agricultural nation of the world (Jer 50, 51; Rev 18).

            18. Babylon is the leading exporting nation in the world (Jer 51:13; Rev 18).

            19. Babylon is the leading importing nation of the entire world.(Jer 50, 51; Rev 18).

            20. Babylon is a nation filled with warehouses and granaries (Jer 50:26).

            21. Babylon is the leading INDUSTRIAL NATION OF THE WORLD (Isa 13, 47, Jer 50, 51; Rev 18).

            22. Babylon is noted for her horses (Jer 50:37).

            23. Babylon is noted for her cattle, sheep and other livestock (Jer 50:26, 27; Rev 18:13).

            24. Babylon is noted for her fine flour and mill operations (Rev 18:13).

            25. Babylon is a nation of farmers and harvests huge crops (Jer 50:16, 26, 27).

            26. Babylon is a huge exporter of MUSIC (Rev 18:22).

            27. Babylon’s musicians are known around the world (Rev 18:22)

            28. Babylon has a huge aviation program (Isa 14:13-14; Jer 51:53; Hab 1:6-10).

            29. Babylon’s skies are filled with the whisper of aircraft wings (Isa 18:1; Jer 51:53).

            30. Babylon has a huge space industry, has “mounted up to the heavens” (Jer 51:53).

            31. Babylon fortifies her skies with a huge military aviation program (Jer 51:53).

            32. Babylon is portrayed as a leading in high tech weapons and abilities (Jer 51:53; Hab 1:6-10; implied throughout).

            33. Babylon is a nation filled with warm water seaports (Rev 18:17-19).

            34. Babylon is a coastal nation and sits upon MANY WATERS (Jer 51:13).

            35. Babylon trades with all who have ships in the sea year round (Rev 18:17-18).

            36. Babylon is nation filled with a “mingled” people (Jer 50:37).

            37. Babylon is a SINGULAR NATION founded upon OUT OF MANY, ONE (Isa 13, 47, Jer 50, 51, Hab 1).

            38. Babylon is a REPUBLIC or a DEMOCRACY, it is ruled by many counsels (Isa 47:13).

            39. Babylon’s governmental system breaks down (Isa 47:13).

            40. Babylon is bogged down with deliberations and cannot govern properly (Isa 47:13).

            41. Babylon’s leaders use astrology, seers and mystics for guidance (Isa 47:13; Rev 18:2).

            42. Babylon labored in the occult from her very inception (Isa 47:12).

            43. Babylon falls to the occult just before her end by nuclear fire (Rev 18:2)

            44. Babylon was born as a CHRISTIAN NATION (Jer 50:12).

            45. Babylon turns upon its heritage and destroys it all in the end (Jer 50:11).

            46. Babylon’s Christian leaders lead their flock astray in prophecy and salvation (Jer 50:6; implied Rev 18:2).

            47. Babylon’s Christian leaders are “strangers” in the Lord Houses of Worship (Jer 51:51).

            48. The people of Babylon are deep into astrology and spiritism (Isa 47:12; Rev 18:2).

            49. Babylon becomes the home of all antichrist religions in the world (Rev 18:2).

            50. Babylon is a nation of religious confusion (Isa 47:12-13).

            51. Babylon turns upon its own people and imprisons and slays them by millions (Jer 50:7,33; 51:35; 39; Dan 7:25; Rev 13:7; 17:6; 18:24).

            52. Babylon sets of detention centers for Jews and Christians and rounds them up for extermination (Jer 50:7, 33; 51:35, 49; Rev 17:6; 18:24).

            53. Babylon has a mother nation that remains in existence from her birth to death (Jer 50: 12).

            54. The mother of Babylon has the symbol of the LION (Dan7:4; Eze 38:13; Jer 51:38; Psalms 17:12).

            55. The mother of Babylon will rule over her daughter her entire life (Dan 7:4; Jer 50:12).

            56. The mother of Babylon will be a state of major decline as the end nears (Jer 50:12).

            57. Babylon is considered to be a lion’s whelp (Eze 38:13; Jer 51:38).

            58. Babylon will have the symbol of the EAGLE and builds her nest in the stars (Dan 7:4 EAGLE WINGS; Isa 14:13-14; Jer 51:53).

            59. Babylon turns totally antichrist and is the leading antichrist power at the end (Rev 18:2; Isa 14:4-6).

            60. THE KING OF BABYLON is called LUCIFER, the ANTICHRIST (Isa 14:4-6).

            61. The King of Babylon will rule from THE GREAT CITY BABYLON (Isa 14:4-6; Rev 17: 18).

            62. A world government entity will rise up to rule the world from BABYLON THE CITY (Isa 14; Hab 2, Rev 13, 17, 18).

            63. This world entity will be a diverse entity, different than all other ruling bodies of the world (Dan 7:7, 23).

            64. This entity will be a TREATY POWER ENTITY (Dan 7:7, 23 DIVERSE).

            65. This entity will rise up and use the military power of Babylon the nation to RULE THE WORLD (Isa 14:4-6; Hab 1 & 2, Rev 13, 17).

            66. Babylon is a huge producer and exporter of automobiles (Jer 50:37; Rev 18:13).

            67. Babylon is a nation of CRAFTSMEN, experts in their trade (Jer 50, 51, Rev 18:22).

            68. Babylon is noted for her jewelry of gold and silver (Rev 18:22).

            69. Babylon is a huge importer and exporter of spices (Rev 18:13).

            70. Babylon is a huge exporter of fine marble products (Rev 18:22).

            71. Babylon is noted for her iron and steel production (Rev 18:12).

            72. Babylon has huge corporations that have bases around the world (Rev 18:23, implied throughout)

            73. Babylon is a nation of higher education and learning (Isa 47:10, implied throughout).

            74. Babylon is a nation with a GREAT VOICE in world affairs (Jer 51:55)

            75. Babylon is a VIRGIN NATION, untouched by major war (Isa 47:1).

            76. Babylon has a vast military machine (Jer 50:36; 51:30; Hab 1 & 2, Rev 13:4).

            77. Babylon will be instrumental in the setting up of Israel in the Middle East, and is the home of God’s people (Jer 50:47; 51:45).

            78. Babylon will have a major enemy to her north (Jer 50:3, 9, 41).

            79. Babylon’s enemy will lie on the opposite side of the world, over the poles (Isa 13:5)

            80. The enemy of Babylon will be a FEDERAL OF NATIONS (Jer 50:9).

            81. The enemy of Babylon will be largely Moslem in make-up (Jer 50:17; Rev 17:16; Psalms 83:5-12).

            82. The enemy of Babylon will have nuclear missiles capable of reaching Babylon (Jer 50:9, 14,; Rev 18:8, 18).

            83. The enemy of Babylon will be noted for her cruelty (Isa 13, 14, Jer 50, 51, Rev 17, 18).

            84. The enemy of Babylon will also have a huge aviation military machine (Jer 50:9, 14, Rev 18:8, 18 implied throughout).

            85. The enemy of Babylon will come into Babylon unnoticed (Isa 47:11, Jer 50:24; 51:2, 14).

            86. Babylon will be filled with her enemies brought in under the guise of peace (Dan 11:21).

            87. Babylon will have all of her borders cut off, and there will be no way of

            escape (Jer 50:28; 51:32).

            88. Babylon will be destroyed by nuclear fire (Implied throughout)

            89. Babylon is land vast land with huge cities, towns and villages throughout (Implied throughout).

            90. Babylon will have been a huge missionary nation for Jesus Christ (Jer 50:11; 51:7).

            91. Babylon would be a home to multitudes of Jews who leave (Jer 50:4-6, 8; 51:6, 45)

            92. The people of Babylon would not know their true identity (Jer 50:6, implied throughout).

            93. The people of Babylon would think they are God’s elect and eternal (Isa 47:7-8, Rev 18:7).

            94. The people of Babylon would enjoy the highest standard of living in the world (Rev 18:7).

            95. The people of Babylon would grow mad upon their idols (Jer 50:2, 38; Hab 2:18).

            96. The people of Babylon would go into deep sins of all kinds (Rev 18:5).

            97. The nation Babylon dwells carelessly before the Lord (Isa 47:8).

            98. Babylon becomes proud, haughty, and does not consider her end (Isa 47:7-8).

            99. Babylon deals in the occult, in sorceries and drugs (Isa 47:9, 12; Rev 18:23)

            These are but a few of the many parameters listed to help us identify this last great nation that the Lord calls BABYLON THE GREAT. America does now, or is in the process of fulfilling each and every one of them. No other nation upon the face of the earth can fulfill these parameters. AMERICA IS BABYLON THE GREAT. There would likewise be a series of SIGNS that would would begin to emerge that would give BIRTH TO, and WATCH THE RISE OF, as well as THE FALL OF AMERICA-BABYLON.

          • socalbeachdude

            Dude, what on earth does any of that pile of psychobabble have to do with malls and/or retail business in the United States of America in 2017?

          • SMASH THE CONTROL MACHINE

            We begin with an understanding of THE ACTUAL PARAMETERS that God laid down to IDENTIFY THE CHIEF PLAYER OF THE END TIMES – BABYLON THE GREAT, THAT MIGHTY END TIME NATION THAT THINKS ITS LIFE IS ETERNAL, AND WILL NEVER SEE SORROW.

            WHAT THE PROPHETS SAID ABOUT BABYLON

            1. Babylon would be an END TIME GREAT NATION (Rev 17,18; Isa 13:6).

            2. Babylon would have a huge seaport city within its borders (Rev 18:17).

            3. The Great City Babylon is the home of a world government attempt (Rev 17:18).

            4. The Great City Babylon would be the economic nerve center of the world (Rev 18:3).

            5. Babylon would be the center of a one world Luciferian religious movement (Jer 51:44).

            6. Babylon would be the center for the move to a global economic order (Rev 13:16).

            BABYLON THE NATION

            1. Babylon would be the youngest and greatest of the end time nations (Jer 50:12).

            2. Babylon would the QUEEN AMONG THE NATIONS (Isa 47:5,7; Rev 18:7).

            3. Babylon would be the most powerful nation in the world (Isa 47, Jer 50, 51, Rev 18).

            4. Babylon would be the HAMMER OF THE WHOLE EARTH (Jer 50:23; Rev 18:23).

            5. Babylon is called a lady, and has the symbol of the Lady (Isa 47:7-9).

            6. Babylon would be the praise of the WHOLE EARTH (Jer 51:41).

            7. Babylon is center of world trade (Jer 51:44; Rev 17:18; 18:19).

            8. Babylon would grow to be the richest nation in the world (Rev 18:3, 7, 19, 23).

            9. All nations that traded with Babylon would grow rich (Rev 18:3).

            10. The merchants of Babylon were the GREAT MEN OF THE EARTH (Rev 18:23).

            11. Babylon is a huge nation, with lands, cities, and great wealth (implied throughout).

            12. Babylon is nation “peeled”, or timbered, a land of open fields (Isa 18:2).

            13. Babylon is land quartered by mighty rivers (Isa 18:2).

            14. Babylon is a land that is measured out, and populated throughout (Isa 18:2).

            15. Babylon destroys her own land, with pollution and waste (Isa 14:20, 18:2, 7).

            16. Babylon is a land rich in mineral wealth (Jer 51:13).

            17. Babylon is a the leading agricultural nation of the world (Jer 50, 51; Rev 18).

            18. Babylon is the leading exporting nation in the world (Jer 51:13; Rev 18).

            19. Babylon is the leading importing nation of the entire world.(Jer 50, 51; Rev 18).

            20. Babylon is a nation filled with warehouses and granaries (Jer 50:26).

            21. Babylon is the leading INDUSTRIAL NATION OF THE WORLD (Isa 13, 47, Jer 50, 51; Rev 18).

            22. Babylon is noted for her horses (Jer 50:37).

            23. Babylon is noted for her cattle, sheep and other livestock (Jer 50:26, 27; Rev 18:13).

            24. Babylon is noted for her fine flour and mill operations (Rev 18:13).

            25. Babylon is a nation of farmers and harvests huge crops (Jer 50:16, 26, 27).

            26. Babylon is a huge exporter of MUSIC (Rev 18:22).

            27. Babylon’s musicians are known around the world (Rev 18:22)

            28. Babylon has a huge aviation program (Isa 14:13-14; Jer 51:53; Hab 1:6-10).

            29. Babylon’s skies are filled with the whisper of aircraft wings (Isa 18:1; Jer 51:53).

            30. Babylon has a huge space industry, has “mounted up to the heavens” (Jer 51:53).

            31. Babylon fortifies her skies with a huge military aviation program (Jer 51:53).

            32. Babylon is portrayed as a leading in high tech weapons and abilities (Jer 51:53; Hab 1:6-10; implied throughout).

            33. Babylon is a nation filled with warm water seaports (Rev 18:17-19).

            34. Babylon is a coastal nation and sits upon MANY WATERS (Jer 51:13).

            35. Babylon trades with all who have ships in the sea year round (Rev 18:17-18).

            36. Babylon is nation filled with a “mingled” people (Jer 50:37).

            37. Babylon is a SINGULAR NATION founded upon OUT OF MANY, ONE (Isa 13, 47, Jer 50, 51, Hab 1).

            38. Babylon is a REPUBLIC or a DEMOCRACY, it is ruled by many counsels (Isa 47:13).

            39. Babylon’s governmental system breaks down (Isa 47:13).

            40. Babylon is bogged down with deliberations and cannot govern properly (Isa 47:13).

            41. Babylon’s leaders use astrology, seers and mystics for guidance (Isa 47:13; Rev 18:2).

            42. Babylon labored in the occult from her very inception (Isa 47:12).

            43. Babylon falls to the occult just before her end by nuclear fire (Rev 18:2)

            44. Babylon was born as a CHRISTIAN NATION (Jer 50:12).

            45. Babylon turns upon its heritage and destroys it all in the end (Jer 50:11).

            46. Babylon’s Christian leaders lead their flock astray in prophecy and salvation (Jer 50:6; implied Rev 18:2).

            47. Babylon’s Christian leaders are “strangers” in the Lord Houses of Worship (Jer 51:51).

            48. The people of Babylon are deep into astrology and spiritism (Isa 47:12; Rev 18:2).

            49. Babylon becomes the home of all antichrist religions in the world (Rev 18:2).

            50. Babylon is a nation of religious confusion (Isa 47:12-13).

            51. Babylon turns upon its own people and imprisons and slays them by millions (Jer 50:7,33; 51:35; 39; Dan 7:25; Rev 13:7; 17:6; 18:24).

            52. Babylon sets of detention centers for Jews and Christians and rounds them up for extermination (Jer 50:7, 33; 51:35, 49; Rev 17:6; 18:24).

            53. Babylon has a mother nation that remains in existence from her birth to death (Jer 50: 12).

            54. The mother of Babylon has the symbol of the LION (Dan7:4; Eze 38:13; Jer 51:38; Psalms 17:12).

            55. The mother of Babylon will rule over her daughter her entire life (Dan 7:4; Jer 50:12).

            56. The mother of Babylon will be a state of major decline as the end nears (Jer 50:12).

            57. Babylon is considered to be a lion’s whelp (Eze 38:13; Jer 51:38).

            58. Babylon will have the symbol of the EAGLE and builds her nest in the stars (Dan 7:4 EAGLE WINGS; Isa 14:13-14; Jer 51:53).

            59. Babylon turns totally antichrist and is the leading antichrist power at the end (Rev 18:2; Isa 14:4-6).

            60. THE KING OF BABYLON is called LUCIFER, the ANTICHRIST (Isa 14:4-6).

            61. The King of Babylon will rule from THE GREAT CITY BABYLON (Isa 14:4-6; Rev 17: 18).

            62. A world government entity will rise up to rule the world from BABYLON THE CITY (Isa 14; Hab 2, Rev 13, 17, 18).

            63. This world entity will be a diverse entity, different than all other ruling bodies of the world (Dan 7:7, 23).

            64. This entity will be a TREATY POWER ENTITY (Dan 7:7, 23 DIVERSE).

            65. This entity will rise up and use the military power of Babylon the nation to RULE THE WORLD (Isa 14:4-6; Hab 1 & 2, Rev 13, 17).

            66. Babylon is a huge producer and exporter of automobiles (Jer 50:37; Rev 18:13).

            67. Babylon is a nation of CRAFTSMEN, experts in their trade (Jer 50, 51, Rev 18:22).

            68. Babylon is noted for her jewelry of gold and silver (Rev 18:22).

            69. Babylon is a huge importer and exporter of spices (Rev 18:13).

            70. Babylon is a huge exporter of fine marble products (Rev 18:22).

            71. Babylon is noted for her iron and steel production (Rev 18:12).

            72. Babylon has huge corporations that have bases around the world (Rev 18:23, implied throughout)

            73. Babylon is a nation of higher education and learning (Isa 47:10, implied throughout).

            74. Babylon is a nation with a GREAT VOICE in world affairs (Jer 51:55)

            75. Babylon is a VIRGIN NATION, untouched by major war (Isa 47:1).

            76. Babylon has a vast military machine (Jer 50:36; 51:30; Hab 1 & 2, Rev 13:4).

            77. Babylon will be instrumental in the setting up of Israel in the Middle East, and is the home of God’s people (Jer 50:47; 51:45).

            78. Babylon will have a major enemy to her north (Jer 50:3, 9, 41).

            79. Babylon’s enemy will lie on the opposite side of the world, over the poles (Isa 13:5)

            80. The enemy of Babylon will be a FEDERAL OF NATIONS (Jer 50:9).

            81. The enemy of Babylon will be largely Moslem in make-up (Jer 50:17; Rev 17:16; Psalms 83:5-12).

            82. The enemy of Babylon will have nuclear missiles capable of reaching Babylon (Jer 50:9, 14,; Rev 18:8, 18).

            83. The enemy of Babylon will be noted for her cruelty (Isa 13, 14, Jer 50, 51, Rev 17, 18).

            84. The enemy of Babylon will also have a huge aviation military machine (Jer 50:9, 14, Rev 18:8, 18 implied throughout).

            85. The enemy of Babylon will come into Babylon unnoticed (Isa 47:11, Jer 50:24; 51:2, 14).

            86. Babylon will be filled with her enemies brought in under the guise of peace (Dan 11:21).

            87. Babylon will have all of her borders cut off, and there will be no way of

            escape (Jer 50:28; 51:32).

            88. Babylon will be destroyed by nuclear fire (Implied throughout)

            89. Babylon is land vast land with huge cities, towns and villages throughout (Implied throughout).

            90. Babylon will have been a huge missionary nation for Jesus Christ (Jer 50:11; 51:7).

            91. Babylon would be a home to multitudes of Jews who leave (Jer 50:4-6, 8; 51:6, 45)

            92. The people of Babylon would not know their true identity (Jer 50:6, implied throughout).

            93. The people of Babylon would think they are God’s elect and eternal (Isa 47:7-8, Rev 18:7).

            94. The people of Babylon would enjoy the highest standard of living in the world (Rev 18:7).

            95. The people of Babylon would grow mad upon their idols (Jer 50:2, 38; Hab 2:18).

            96. The people of Babylon would go into deep sins of all kinds (Rev 18:5).

            97. The nation Babylon dwells carelessly before the Lord (Isa 47:8).

            98. Babylon becomes proud, haughty, and does not consider her end (Isa 47:7-8).

            99. Babylon deals in the occult, in sorceries and drugs (Isa 47:9, 12; Rev 18:23)

            These are but a few of the many parameters listed to help us identify this last great nation that the Lord calls BABYLON THE GREAT. America does now, or is in the process of fulfilling each and every one of them. No other nation upon the face of the earth can fulfill these parameters. AMERICA IS BABYLON THE GREAT. There would likewise be a series of SIGNS that would would begin to emerge that would give BIRTH TO, and WATCH THE RISE OF, as well as THE FALL OF AMERICA-BABYLON.

          • JC Teecher

            Amen.

            America “is” the main “house” of Israel, not “house” of Judah…aka Judean/Jews, Although there are plenty of our brethren of Judah living as citizens here; as well as many of those that call themselves Jews (chosen ONEs) but are of the synagogue of Satan/ Kenites/ offspring of Satan’s prodigy…Cain.

            The secondary “house of Israel”, as well as the secondary “house” of Judah, is in Great Britain, of which is predominately Caucasian British. I think the current population of the UK is about 65 million.
            Of course not all are of the house of Israel/Caucasian, of Adamic/Hebrew bloodlines, and many of the Gentile nations have migrated there.

            America as the Super Power of superpowers, has the highest population of Christians, under the banner of one Constitution and governance than any nation in the world. God has blessed and had His hand on America, even North America for centuries.

            Canada has succumbed to the liberal controlling elements, and America isn’t far behind.
            The liberal mind has taken over leadership and control because Christians were to soft and carried bleeding hearts, instead of putting on the Gospel Armour to stand against the wiles of the liberals and the devil.

            This is precisely why we are seeing the decay of a once God revering nation and society of peoples. The corrupt establishment religions have muddied the waters of biblical truths, and the payment for that sin will come upon this country, as a whole.

            This Trump train is God’s last reprieve for a while for America. What we make of it, as Christians, will determine how long it will last, in order for people to get their act together, as well as getting their house in order for the return of the King.
            Good times for some of us, and sad/bad times for the heathen liberals, is on the horizon, in the coming decade.

    • James Staten
      • Paul Benson

        Wisdom yes it is. But quite sadly it is the wisdom of man mixed in with the truths of God’s Word. Separation theology is contrary to the whole counsel of God and presents the hoax a pre-trib rapture of the Church. It is ERROR.

        The rapture is NOT the ‘mystery’ God revealed to Paul. It is Christ in you the hope of Glory.

        Here is an article that absolutely proves the notion of an ‘imminent’ rapture is falsehood. ‘Bible Proof The Pre-trib Theory is False’

        https://pbenson.me/2016/05/06/bible-proof-the-rapture-theory-is-false/

        There will be NO pre-trib catching away of the Church. To teach the Body of Christ will not face Antichrist is deception and will bring great accountability upon those who promote that lie.

        • James Staten

          Mr. Benson, Yes, it is an article written by a man. Let me state that nowhere in our discussion yesterday did I mention the Rapture. I asked you how many people did Paul address in that Scripture (1 Corinthians 10:32)? Don’t you find it interesting that Paul addresses three groups of people, and why that might make all the difference in some aspects of understanding this dispensation of Grace? The Body of Christ is a New Creation, and that is only “One” of the mysteries revealed to Paul. You actually should read that article. Dr Samdahl has become a friend through the internet, and he has distilled some Wisdom in many of his articles. Keep Looking Up, James

          • Paul Benson

            I did read the article you linked to. have you read any of my articles?

            Dr Samdahl is misleading you into a false theology. May errors are presented in that article. Let’s look at just one.

            He states the Gospel Paul preached was a different Gospel than that of the Apostles who were commissioned by Christ himself. What confusion! One example he gave is that the Apostles preached baptism and repentance, but Paul preached an ‘only beleive’ Gospel which required no other response on the part of the convert. This is gross error! To teach Paul did not preach repentance or baptism is promoting a false Gospel. It is a LIE!

            Rom_6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

            Eph_4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

            Col_2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

            Rom_2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

            2Co_7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

            2Ti_2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

            The concepts the good Doctor presented might sound somewhat reasonable to those not familiar with the Scriptures (or indoctrinated into a false theology like dispensationalism). I am not so easily swayed. The Word proves his premise incorrect. Clearly Paul preached a Gospel of which repentance and baptism were BOTH presented. There are many other elements of falsehood in that article you linked to. Although some of the things he said were indeed truthful and necessary for us to embrace, we need to realize that Satan’s tactics center around inserting a mixture of error into the truth of God’s Word. Brother we will give an account of what we promote. Dispensational (Separation) theology and the pre-trib position it promotes are error; and in fact certain elements of it are outright heresy! Discussed here:
            https://pbenson.me/2017/03/07/tribulation-saints-without-the-holy-spirit/
            I read your linked article. Maybe you could take a few minutes and read this one.

          • James Staten

            Mr. Benson, I did spend some time with your book a week or so ago. I might say I am having a hard time having you answer a question from a biblical perspective. I will try to be short. In Jesus earthly ministry, he had dealings in Scripture with only two Gentiles. If you count the woman at the well two and one half. If you are a Gentile, and you were standing there listening to Jesus speak, he wasn’t speaking to you. He came to the lost sheep of the House of Israel. Paul tells us that we were without hope, that Jesus came to fulfill all the Promises made to the Fathers, and we were outside all the Promises. The Fathers were Jewish. Something changed. The Book of Acts in particular is a book of transition. Why don’t you take a look at the Book of Galatians. Galatians 2:1-9…the Gospel of the Uncircumcision and the Gospel of the Circumcision. Different, is not the same…Paul changed everything, and eventually his Gospel is the One and Only (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). Put your thinking cap on. In Galatians 2:9, James, Peter and John shook hands on agreement that they would go to the Jews, and Paul to the Gentiles. Now these men would be liars, if they didn’t keep there promise. In that light look at the beginning of the Book of James ..the 12 Tribes scattered abroad. Peter basically uses the same speech in 1 Peter..strangers scattered… they are writing to Jews…There is more to it than the Rapture is a False Doctrine…look to the Pauline Epistles. Have you ever asked yourself, if i were Paul after my conversion, one of the first things I would have done would be go and talk to the Apostles, but the Lord carried him in the opposite direction, and tutored him on the back side of the desert for three years giving him New Revelation. Now read Paul and find out why. Keep Looking Up, James https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Romans-2-16/

          • Paul Benson

            The reason you feel you are having a hard time getting me to answer a question is that you preload your question with your wayward Separation theology, and expect me to answer according to your perspective.

            That theology and the pre-trib rapture hoax are joined at the hip. If you preach one you are preaching the other. This modern theory is not the Gospel Paul preached. It is the invention of man. circa 1800’s. The Church down through the ages believed no such thing. I can show you page after page of quotes that show the Church has always expected to face the onslaught of Antichrist. The claim to quotes showing a pre-trib rapture are a mere handful of quotes out of context or so ambiguous in regard to timing they prove nothing. Another aspect of the pre-trib teaching easily refuted!

            http://www.paulbenson.me/post-trib-quotes.html

            You referenced the Book of Galatians.(which I am not unfamiliar with). Paul clearly taught that our salvation is come through the promise made to Abram and his Seed. That seed is Christ; and in Christ, Jew or Gentile, we also are ALL that seed.One entity in Christ! This is the only plan God has ever had. To separate the one new man into two separate entities saved in a different manner (one through Christ and other through lineage) is gross error. Again it contradicts he teaching on election Paul clearly gave in Romans 11.

            Instead of setting aside my book because it does not agree with your theory you should have went to the Lord in prayer and examined what I have to say. My book clearly shows the many elements of the pre-trib theory to be bogus .The pre-trib teaching is a PROVABLE falsehood and the book does exactly that.

            I hope you go back to the book and read it thoroughly in a prayerful manner; and honestly ask yourself: DOES this book give solid evidence to the incorrectness of the pre-trib theory or not? Are the catch phrases of that theory stolen away from Second Coming passages or not? Are the claims of that theory plainly stated in the Scriptures or are they unsupported theory? DO the various elements of that theory directly contradict the Scriptures (i.e. election, two comings, reward at the rapture instead of the Second Coming et. al.) or do they not?
            I give clear and easy to grasp examples of each of these assertions in the book. But some cannot handle a critical examination of their beliefs and must set aside the irrefutable conclusions I present without a prayerful consideration. Please give the book an honest shake before rejecting what I say.

            I mean no disrespect to you brother, but you have bought into one of the greatest deceptions of our day. A deception which does serious damage to the understanding of those who embrace it; and in the long run will result in the disillusionment and faltered faith of countless souls; just as it did in the days of Mao’s purge in China where Christians steeped in pre-trib theory (by western missionaries) fell away in the persecution.

          • James Staten

            Mr. Benson, Sometimes black ink on white paper means exactly what it says!!! Again why does Paul address “Three” Groups of people? This whole conversation revolves around that question. What does your theology say? Keep Looking Up, James

          • Paul Benson

            Brother James;

            Paul was not referring to two entities saved in a separate manner no matter how you want to paint it. That is false reasoning forced by false theology. Your straw-man argument is no excuse for not considering the evidence I have attempted to point you to.
            May you find God’s best in your walk with him. I will now bow out of this discussion. If you choose not to prayerfully consider my writings that is between you and the Father.
            Respectfully;
            Paul Benson

          • James Staten

            No offense, but you should have been a math teacher. You admit Paul addresses Three Groups, but he is only referring to Two Entities? Now you may have the last word, if you wish? Keep Looking Up, James

          • Paul Benson

            My reference to TWO entities was not in regard to the verse but to your separation theology you are inserting into the passage. Ignoring what I have written in two free books and numerous blog articles; and clinging to whatever victory you think you have with your one verse straw-man argument; how is that a proper response brother?

            That is not victory, but willful ignorance. Until you can line up your theology with what is clearly presented on election in Romans 11 (instead of side-stepping it) you are not in sync with the truth of the matter. Final word?

            1Co_12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

            There IS NO separation between Jew believers and Gentile believers. We are one Body in Christ. Any theological position that teaches otherwise is not in accord with the Word of God. It is ERROR.

          • James Staten

            My last word. What you are missing is that the Body of Christ is a New Creation…it’s not Jew or Gentile although it is composed of both during this dispensation of grace. That’s why Paul addresses Three Groups. Paul makes it clear in Scripture that God is not through with the Jew. So Paul speaks to Three Groups: Jews, Gentiles and the Body of Christ…now while it is true that one is either saved or lost according to Paul’s gospel during this time period, he references three. One must realize that Paul was given information (mysteries) that had never been revealed before to any man. I believe if you search the scriptures you will find that only he addresses the Body of Christ? Also if you haven’t you might do a study on Paul speaking of the Day of Christ (Our Blessed Hope) as opposed to the Day of the Lord (Judgment and Wrath), but that’s another story. You keep speaking about the Rapture, that’s another mystery revealed to Paul, if you will, he was given the second half of the equation, the dead rising first ( the Resurrection was known from Job to the Sadducees) and then the “Living being transformed”, New information. Think Fullness of the Gentiles has come into the Body of Christ. I will close by saying that Daniel 9:24-27 speaks of the indignation determined against the Jewish people and the city of Jerusalem. What do you have after this New Creation is gathered to the Lord in the Air? The Jews in Jerusalem and a Christ rejecting Jew hating Gentile world that basically says Let’s destroy them and take that Land. Short Version, and really you can now have the last word. Blessings, James P. S. Scripture makes it quite clear that the Body of Christ is a Heavenly people seated right now with Christ in the heavenlies. God made a promise to the Jews about that land forever, about an earthly Kingdom,thus all the end time Middle East scenario with the epicenter being the Jews in Jerusalem. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Corinthians+5%3A17&version=KJV

          • Paul Benson

            To suggest the Day of the Lord and the Day of Christ are two separate things is just more unworkable aspects of your separation theory. It does not bear out in the full counsel of the Word. Paul clearly taught the day of Christ would not come until after the man of sin.

            2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

            Dispensational theory teaches tribulation Saints are not saved by the Cross, but by their martyrdom. To teach that these people will be saved after the age of grace (supposedly) closes is heresy. Only in Christ is salvation through faith in his work on the Cross; and to deny that is to deny him. You are in serious error; and in danger of standing before God as a heretic.

            Dispensational / pre-trib theory is false theology. I am sorry to see you have been seduced by it.

            I’m done.

        • Paul Benson

          Much of the error presented about the return of Jesus comes about from a false understanding of what the Bible teaches on ‘election’. A proper understanding on election DESTROYS the pre-trib fable.

          Dispensational (Separation) theology, brought to us in the 19th century by Darby, presents a unbiblical view of election that totally denies Romeans 11 and forces a pre-trib theory.

          God gave us a simple illustration of the olive tree in Romans 11 that gives us an easy to grasp true biblical understanding of election. Discussed here:
          https://pbenson.me/2016/10/31/the-elect-of-god-today/

  • chris

    What is really surprising is that less than 10% of the postings to this article are from socalbeachdude! What is going on? Huh?!

    • socalbeachdude

      The topic of retail mall closures is extremely well covered by Michael’s excellent article and by my comments below.

      • chris

        Huh?

      • Spatial Memory

        ROTFLMAO!

        • FirstGarden

          I hope your floor’s clean.
          You’ve been on it a lot lately.

          Just sayin’.

          • socalbeachdude

            SpaceHead is now up to 331 comments total and has 51 up votes!!!

          • Dean

            What’s stopping him from giving himself 331 individual up votes and increasing himself to 382 up votes out of 331 comments?

          • socalbeachdude

            Absolutely nothing ,except most likely his (assuming it is a him) own laziness!

          • FirstGarden

            Now, now, that was funny but not nice.
            🙂

    • SnodtBlossom

      yeah.. I expect more from him

  • CG Raine

    Now if they would build more apartment buildings to offset the high rent hikes in the last few years, supply and demand, ect; more apartments = more supply to ease the demand..thing is, there’s nothing you can do about the greedy managers and landlords…I’d like to do a survey among the spiking number of homeless folks just to see if they were forced out by these increasing rents; here in Seattle it’s an epidemic; my rent, outside of seattle 40 min north, went up $85 last year, and for someone on a fixed income, we’re screwed; I imagine a lot of the older homeless on fixed incomes were priced out as well, no where to go. Going rate for just a 1br is 1200 and over! If they built more apartments in the space they have left over from these closed malls, I bet that would even out the competition playing field a bit..

    • socalbeachdude

      So-called “competition” certainly DOES NOT LOWER COSTS AT ALL, particularly in the arena of insurance.

    • FirstGarden

      Wow, you and Rentslave should talk.

  • illusion

    The shopping mall in my town was previously owned by Simon Managed Properties. Simon defaulted on their loan payments to Wells Fargo Bank. The mall was having a rash of vacancies and very low traffic. As it turned out, nobody placed a bid on the property when it when up for auction. The bank who owned the property purchased the property for $100. There are areas in the east side of the mall that have been vacant for over 15 years. There is a shop in the mall that sells tea and crafts. They now have an everything must go sign at the entrance. The owners have decided to call it quits. Several of the locations such as Penny’s and Dillard’s are doing well.
    I seriously doubt the mall will survive another deep recession.

    • socalbeachdude

      The Simon Property Group hasn’t had anything to do with the Pittsburgh Mills Mall for more than a decade and Simon did not default on any loan from Wells Fargo.

      The Pittsburgh Mills is a super-regional shopping mall complex northeast of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania in Frazer Township, along PA Route 28 near its intersection with the Pennsylvania Turnpike.

      Pittsburgh Mills was conceived and originally developed by the Mills Corporation, now Simon Property Group. On December 30, 2006, it was announced that the Mills Corporation sold its stake in Pittsburgh Mills to its partner in the project, Zamias Services, Inc. of Johnstown. Because of this, Pittsburgh Mills is currently the only Mills-branded mall that is neither owned or managed by Simon in the United States.

      Talk about a clearance! Foreclosed Pennsylvania mall once worth $190m sells for just $100 at auction

      Galleria at Pittsburgh Mills was bought by Wells Fargo Bank on Wednesday. The bank foreclosed on the mall after its owners defaulted on its $143million loan in 2015.

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4136684/Foreclosed-Pennsylvania-mall-sells-100-auction.html

  • Trader joe

    Here is what is going on in the northern suburbs of Chicago. As of early December, Hathworn Mall in Vernon Hills (modestly upscale) had 5 or 6 vacancies. I was out of town for 2 months and walked the mall again in mid February. 19 total vacancies with about 10 on the main concourse and the others on the side alleys. The number of main concourse kiosks has been cut by at least 50%. This piqued my interest so I drove to Northbrook Court (very upscale) and lo and behold the results were exactly the same. Finally I drove to Old Orchard mall and walked it completely and saw only 6 vacancies. So basically 1 out of 3 malls are on solid footing in this area, FWIW

  • Tatiana Covington

    Face it: giant malls are becoming obsolete, because of the Internet now, and 3dp before much longer. I myself order things from India, such as saris. I even got a small chunk of a Martian meteorite that way.

    • socalbeachdude

      Face it: the internet has made only a VERY SLIGHT DENT in retail sales at malls and brick and mortar stores which still has around 90% of all retail sales in the US while internet orders comprise only around 10% of retail sales in the US.

  • Gleimhart Mantooso

    I seem to recall that Macy’s decided to cut ties with Donald Trump during the campaign. Gosh, that was such a smart move.

  • Gleimhart Mantooso

    People don’t like going to malls nowadays because lots of them are crawling with blacks and hispanics, and that makes for an unpleasant and unsafe atmosphere. No one wants their White daughter around rapists.

    • socalbeachdude

      Most folks love going to malls more than ever particularly those that have been beautifully remodeled!

    • FirstGarden

      Now, now, my good fellow, good and bad comes in all flavors.

      • Gleimhart Mantooso

        Stick your condescension and go read the FBI/Justice Department violent crime statistics broken down by race, “my good fellow.”

        • FirstGarden

          Do you always start friendships this way?

          • Gleimhart Mantooso

            Where did you get the preposterous idea I was attempting to start a friendship?

            Now then, did you check the damn crime statistics yet, or are you just deflecting so that you don’t have to?

          • FirstGarden

            It was just an expression, not necessarily to be taken literally.

            I am aware of the crime stats. And I grew up in NY around a lot of intensely prejudiced Blacks and Latinos.

            I was only pointing out that stereotypes are not really fair; that not all blacks and hispanics are as you describe.

          • Gleimhart Mantooso

            You asked a damned stupid question about me making friends, and suddenly it wasn’t meant to be taken literally? Dumb.

            As for the rest of your post, I think you are really something of a liar. You are not at all familiar with crime statistics as broken down by race. One tipoff that you’re an idiot is when you say “all races have bad people.”

            Well, yes, all races have bad people, but I never said otherwise. That’s a straw-man, and a very tired one at this point. There are over 100 black-on-white rapes every day in the United States, whereas there are only a small handful of white-on-black rapes in a whole year. Get that? Far less white-on-black rapes in one year than black-on-white rapes in one day! And when you adjust for percentage of population, the difference becomes even more monumental.

            This is but one example. Whites who care about self preservation have very good real world reasons to avoid malls with blacks, and seeing malls overrun with 3rd world hispanics is just depressing.

          • FirstGarden

            I should have said, “Do you always start conversations this way?”

  • J.j. Cintia

    Yeah here’s the future. Offshoring and cheap labor. Your bright capitalist libertarian future. Do you like your global village now? All the boats are sinking. Perot was right wasn’t he? That sucking sound is now your life. There’s no recovery. They can tighten, they can raise rates, they can talk about jobs all they want. Demographics is destiny. Third World people make Third World Hellholes. Diversity sucks, and so will you.

    • socalbeachdude

      That’s really not how we see it in Beverly Hills, CA!

  • Betty

    The privately owned federal reserve by Rothschild and their ink, plus their central banks that print the fiat magic money and debt scams causes debt and hardship for all except the rich 1%. They have been devaluing our dollar and purchasing power since we were taken off gold standard. They cause the inflation to keep us poor. We will never be free as long as these evil blood suckers aren’t ran out of countries. Our military has become their enforcers. Rothschild thinks Syria and Iran need central banks, and Russia needs another raping like they did before. We now have a 700 trillion debt bubble floating over the heads of our world. When they pop it death and destruction, just a little population control. More hope and chains!

    • FirstGarden

      Cheer up, it’s gonna get worse.

  • woodguy11

    Funny how you don’t touch on pensions/ there are 7 states that are in deep trouble with more to follow

  • Alberto Francis

    Well you gutted the middle white class which was the leading consumer who kept these malls alive. We are all not shocked here correct?

  • Carol

    It’s because most people are shopping on-line now, not the economy.

  • alan

    Retail and fast food should both be imploding. Fast food has gotten so bad I pretty much don’t eat it any more. Not sure how they stay open. I guess its going to be a bad year. Draining the swamp and killing Obamacare won’t come quick enough. Something really crazy will have to happen.

  • NP1

    everyone demanded more, and expected more, Malls close because there’s no more to be had, anywhere. The nation is effectively running on “empty” except that we still believe the politicians who say it isn’t, that we can have “infinite growth”

    The reality is that the economic system that we made demands on has run out of “more”

    we were promised that the good times would last forever, but suddenly infinite demand has smacked into the wall of finite reality

    The book “the End of More” (Pagett Amazon) explains how we got into this mess but not how to get out of it

    There doesn’t seem to be one. This can only get worse.

    It isn’t just the shopping mall problem, the nation is running out of the energy necessary to support its population….this is just the tip of the iceberg

  • sharonsj

    Stop blaming this on on-line buying. Truth is, most people are broke and are only buying necessities. If I need something, I go to a flea market or yard sale; I haven’t bought new clothes in years. And I’m trying to avoid buying new appliances and electronics; most of the stuff is made in China and it stops working after a short while.

  • wtnss4Jesus

    THESE ARE SIGNS THAT BABYLON IS ABOUT TO FALL – RUN!

    The Scriptures say, “Merchants, as numerous as the stars, has filled your city with vast wealth. But like a swarm of locusts, they strip the land and then fly away. Your princes and officials are also like locusts, crowding together in the hedges to survive the cold. But like locusts that fly away when the sun comes up to warm the earth, all of them will fly away and disappear. . .All who hear of your destruction will clap their hands for joy. Where can anyone be found who has not suffered from your cruelty?” (Nahum 3:16, 17, 19 NLT)

    This is referring to Babylon. The economic collapse is coming because Babylon (Satan’s false religious empire which controls the whole earth) is getting closer to her fall. Soon there will be no industry of any kind left. (Rev 18:22-24) Jesus will make her merchants and her kings turn on her and deal with her in hatred and robbery as punishment for all the evil she has done. They will soon all fly away and leave her devastated, exposed to shame (letting everyone see how evil and filthy she is) and ruined. Then they will eat her flesh (humans who remain with her) and burn whatever is left of her until she is completely gone. (Rev 17:16; Ezekiel 23:29)

    So “GET OUT OF BABYLON” while you can. Don’t get trapped in her punishment! If you refuse to leave this world (its churches, politics, businesses, pagan religions or any other attachments in this world), you will be left behind at the Sixth Trumpet when the Antichrist comes. You will be enslaved by this cruel dragon (Isaiah 19:4) and there will be no one to help you because you have rejected the only One who can save you – Jesus Christ! But those who obey the commands of God and remain faithful to Jesus will be taken (Matt 24:40-41; Acts 8:39-4) to the safety of the wilderness on earth for the final 1260 days of the great tribulation until Jesus returns at the 7th Trumpet to take the faithful (who do not rebel even while in the wilderness) home to Jerusalem. (read Rev 12:6, 14; Dan 12:7-12; 11:34; Ezek 20:33-38; Isaiah 35; Psalm 84)

    So heed this warning from the Lord Jesus if you are wise. He says, “Listen, my people, flee from Babylon. Save yourselves. Run from the Lord’s fierce anger. But do not panic when you hear the first rumor of approaching forces. For rumors will keep coming year by year. Then there will be a time of violence as the leaders fight against each other. For the time is surely coming when I will punish this great city and all her idols. Her whole land will be disgraced, and her dead will lie in the streets. The Heavens and earth will rejoice, for out of the north will come destroying armies against Babylon,” says the Lord.” *(The Antichrist is the king of the north and he will bring his armies against Babylon to take her place as the evil world ruler. But the Lord has decreed his reign to be brief, lasting only 1335 days. See Daniel 11:36 – 12:13 and Ezekiel 26:2,3; 28:1-19). “Just as Babylon killed the people of Israel” *(followers of Jesus) and others throughout the world, so must her people be killed. Go, you who escaped the sword! Do not stand and watch – flee while you can! Remember the Lord, even though you are in a far-off land, and think about your home in Jerusalem.” (finish reading Jeremiah 51:45-64 NLT)

    *(Parenthesis explanation mine)

  • variabletime

    Office space is the same. Been doing a lot of remodel contracts in multi-story buildings with more than half of the floors empty.

  • BS1986

    Americans are already tapped……..powder keg that is America is about to pop/

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