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Birth Pangs Of The Coming Great Depression

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Birth PangsThe signs of the times are everywhere – all you have to do is open up your eyes and look at them.  When a pregnant woman first goes into labor, the birth pangs are usually fairly moderate and are not that close together.  But as the time for delivery approaches, they become much more frequent and much more intense.  Economically, what we are experiencing right now are birth pangs of the coming Great Depression.  As we get closer to the crisis that is looming on the horizon, they will become even more powerful.  This week, we learned that the Baltic Dry Index has fallen to the lowest level that we have seen in 29 years.  The Baltic Dry Index also crashed during the financial collapse of 2008, but right now it is already lower than it was at any point during the last financial crisis.  In addition, “Dr. Copper” and other industrial commodities continue to plunge.  This almost always happens before we enter an economic downturn.  Meanwhile, as I mentioned the other day, orders for durable goods are declining.  This is also a traditional indicator that a recession is approaching.  The warning signs are there – we just have to be open to what they are telling us.

And of course there are so many more parallels between past economic downturns and what is happening right now.

For example, volatility has returned to the markets in a big way.  On Tuesday the Dow was down about 300 points, on Wednesday it was down another couple hundred points, and then on Thursday it was up a couple hundred points.

This is precisely how markets behave just before they crash.  When markets are calm, they tend to go up.  When markets get really choppy and start behaving erratically, that tells us that a big move down is usually coming.

At the same time, almost every major global currency is imploding.  For much more on this, see the amazing charts in this article.

In particular, I am greatly concerned about the collapse of the euro.  The Swiss would not have decoupled their currency from the euro if it was healthy.  And political events in Greece are certainly not going to help things either.  Economic conditions across Europe just continue to get worse, and the future of the eurozone itself is very much in doubt at this point.  And if the eurozone does break up, a European economic depression is almost virtually assured – at least in the short term.

And I haven’t even mentioned the oil crash yet.

There is only one other time in all of history when the price of oil collapsed by more than 60 dollars, and that was just prior to the horrific financial crisis of 2008.

Since the last financial crisis, the oil industry has been a huge source for job growth in this country.  The following is an excerpt from a recent CNN article

The oil sector has added over a half million jobs — many of them high paying — since the recession ended in June 2009. That’s 13% of all US job growth over that period.

Now energy companies and related sectors are laying off thousands. Expect that trend to continue, bears say.

But losing good jobs is just the tip of the iceberg of this oil crisis.

At this point, the price of oil has already dropped to a catastrophically low level.  The longer it stays at this level, the more damage that it is going to do.  If the price of oil stays at this level for all of 2015, we are going to have a complete and total financial nightmare on our hands

For the first time in 18 years, oil exporters are pulling liquidity out of world markets rather than putting money in. The world is now fast approaching a world reserve currency shift. If we see 8 to 12 months at these oil prices; U.S. shale industry will be wiped out. The effect on junk bonds will cascade to the rest of the stock market and U.S. economy.

…and this time there will be nothing left to catch the falling knife before it hits the American economy right in the heart. Not the FED nor the U.S. government can stop what’s coming. Liquidity will freeze up, our credit will be downgraded, the stock market will start to collapse, and then we can expect the FED to come in and hyper-inflate the dollar. This will cause the world to finish abandoning the world reserve currency in the last rungs of trade. This will be the end of the petrodollar.

Something that I have not discussed so far this year is the looming crisis in emerging market debt.

As economic problems spread around the world, a number of “emerging markets” are in danger of having their debt downgraded.  And many investment funds have rules that prohibit them from holding any debt that is not “investment grade”.  Therefore, we could potentially see some of these giant funds dumping massive amounts of emerging market debt if downgrades happen.

This is a really big deal.  As a Business Insider article recently detailed, we could be talking about hundreds of billions of dollars…

Russia this week became the first of the major economies to lose its investment grade status from Standard & Poor’s, falling out off the top ratings category for credits deemed to have a low risk of default for the first time in a decade.

If Moody’s and Fitch follow, conservative investors barred from owning junk securities must sell their holdings. JPMorgan estimates this means they may ditch $6 billion in Russian government rouble and dollar debt.

Russia may have company. Almost $260 billion worth of sovereign and corporate bonds – nearly a tenth of outstanding emerging market (EM) debt – is in danger of being relegated to junk, according to David Spegel, head of emerging debt at BNP Paribas, who calls such credits “falling angels”.

And no article of this nature would be complete without mentioning derivatives.

I could not possibly overemphasize the danger that the 700 trillion dollar derivatives bubble poses to the global financial system.

As we enter the coming Great Depression, derivatives are going to play a starring role.  Wall Street has been pumped full of funny money by global central banks, and our financial markets have been transformed into the greatest casino in the history of the world.  When this house of cards comes crashing down, and it will, it is going to be a financial disaster unlike anything that the planet has ever seen.

And yes, global central banks are very much responsible for setting the stage for what we are about to experience.

I really like the way that David Stockman put it the other day…

The global financial system is literally booby-trapped with accidents waiting to happen owing to six consecutive years of massive money printing by nearly every central bank in the world.

Over that span, the collective balance sheet of the major central banks has soared by nearly $11 trillion, meaning that honest price discovery has been virtually destroyed. This massive “bid” for existing financial assets based on credit confected from thin air drove long-term bond yields to rock bottom levels not seen in 600 years since the Black Plague; and pinned money market costs at zero—-for 73 months running.

What is the consequence of this drastic financial repression along the entire yield curve? The answer is bond prices which keep rising regardless of credit risk, inflation or taxes; and rampant carry trade speculation that can’t get out of its own way because  central banks have made the financial gamblers’ cost of goods—the “funding” cost of their trades—-essentially zero.

Of course I am not the only one warning that a new Great Depression is coming.  For instance, just consider what British hedge fund manager Crispin Odey is saying…

British hedge fund manager Crispin Odey thinks we’ve entered an economic downturn that is “likely to be remembered in a hundred years,” and central banks won’t be able to stop it.

In his Odey Asset Management investor letter dated Dec. 31, Odey writes that the shorting opportunity “looks as great as it was in 07/09.”

“My point is that we used all our monetary firepower to avoid the first downturn in 2007-09,” he writes, “so we are really at a dangerous point to try to counter the effects of a slowing China, falling commodities and EM incomes, and the ultimate First World Effects. This is the heart of the message. If economic activity far from picks up, but falters, then there will be a painful round of debt default.”

Even though most average citizens are completely oblivious to what is happening, many among the elite are heeding the warning signs and are feverishly getting prepared.  As Robert Johnson told a stunned audience at the World Economic Forum the other day, they are “buying airstrips and farms in places like New Zealand“.  They can see the horrifying storm forming on the horizon and they are preparing to get out while the getting is good.

It can be very frustrating to write about economics, because things in the financial world can take an extended period of time to play out.  Sadly, most people these days have extremely short attention spans.  We live in a world of iPhones, iPads, YouTube videos, Facebook updates and 48 hour news cycles.  People no longer are accustomed to thinking in long-term time frames, and if something does not happen right away we tend to get bored with it.

But the economic world is not like a game of “Angry Birds”.  Rather, it is very much like a game of chess.

And unfortunately for us, checkmate is right around the corner.


  • Rebel in Idaho

    It’s all swirling down the drain . . . oh look a squirrel!

    • chilller

      Little feller…no bigger than a squirrel…

      • alan

        No that’s a protected brown trout.

        • stan

          no again, it’s a STUPID WHITE BOY

          • Mike Smithy

            Undoubtedly, the best part of you ran down your mamas leg at the whorehouse.

          • alan

            LOL, old white man.

          • liberalsSUCKobamaTESTICLES

            ^testicle licker

      • Orange Jean

        what? are you saying leprechauns are real??

        • NorthernConserv

          Watch out for the one behind you!

    • laura m.

      The train has derailed; prepare your immediate family and stay low key. Tell no one what you’re doing. Get a bartering network started with well connected friends for bartering goods and services. America’s hope is zero. Rule of law and state’s rights have been trashed by corrupt judges/supreme ct. Open borders, Muslims in Obozo’s cabinet, prayers to Allah in House of R. and breakdown of order. Congressmen and politicians- national, local and state levels have been bought off to do nothing (useless bums anyway).

      • jhowell882

        Laura you are so right. you only have to see it coming. since dec 31, 2014 the dow has fallen 600 points. the only thing going up is consumer commodities. everything else just flush the toilet.

        Micheal has said and it is coming true. you just have to look. at this point everything else is a fantasy

  • rat28

    If Japan can survive depression for 25 years since 1989 when their entire stock and property sectors collapse, then USA economy will weather the storm much better. I see the US economy as more diversify and resilience against any economic depression. Fed is also more flexible and resolute when it come to saving the US economy against any headwind. I will not worry too much!

    • Rubix Cubed

      The fed has 2 major tools to manipulate the economy: 1. Interest rates, 2. Printing money. Because of the financial crash of 2007-08 we have 0% interest rates and have had 3 rounds of QE. What other flexibility do they have? More of the same I guess, but it can’t last forever… Sooner or later basic econiomic fundementals catch up to us. If that wasn’t true we would never experience a market crash ever. I like you optimism, but I’ll be preparing for worst.

      • alan

        We are going to see more middle east trouble / diversions. I expect to see US troops in Yemen and Syria this year. I have a bad feeling about Saudi Arabia getting their dose of Arab Spring.

      • Mike Smithy

        If and/or when the FED conjures up another round of QE, the Chinese will likely throw in the towel and dump US Treasury Bonds. At some point they must realize that they are throwing good money after bad and decide to cut their losses. The Chinese will then make a play to replace the Petro Dollar with the Yuan/RMB. At present, the Chinese are fortifying their economic alliances as well as their military capabilities. Last one out of the USA, turn out the lights. Game over.

    • You seem to forget that this was possible because the US and the EU were there to save the day by stabilizing the Market, …and they were still in “good” shape to do so (a point of sarcasm here).

      None of them could have accepted the collapse of Japan. But what about now, when the three main Economies of the world are completely down, China is slowing down fast as well, the Emerging Markets are in danger, the Trader and Investors make it in their pants, etc, etc… Who will save the day for the US, or the EU, or Japan, or all of them together?

      I agree with Rubix, your optimism is great (personally I like it) but as far as I can see things – all facts together – I prefer to prepare for the worst… and hoping for the best (but the best may only come many years from now)

      • alan

        The collapse will not be televised. Ink and paper will be flying no one will know what happened.

        • Mike Smithy

          Undoubtedly the talking heads at CNBS will maintain the position of: “Who could have seen this coming”?

  • jsmith

    If it isn’t one bad thing it’s another. It’s like dominoes. I hope the powers that be can keep the game going just a little bit longer, as I need one more year of prepping before there’s a crash.

    • Cluez Jones

      That’s what I’m hoping for-a little more time to get ready. Gotta get the bug out shack in better shape.

      • alan

        Apmex has new Freedom Girl rounds! Just got some.

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          They do? I don’t see Freedom Girl rounds on their site.
          But, while I do so love the Freedom Girl design, SBSS charges a ridiculous premium for them so I bought one and have stayed away.

          In terms of a more ‘collectible’ round (one where you may fetch a good premium over spot), I really like the Zombucks because they don’t charge an arm and a leg for them and they have a limited mintage. Even the Hercules series rounds. Both are on the Provident metals site. What do you think?

          • jaxon64

            I’ve found zombucks to be pretty high above melt also–for me the best sight and purchases have been silvertowne ( and no, I have no affiliation other than satisfied customer). They have consistently good prices with low spot–often run “hot item” sales with free shipping and they certify and # each bar all the way down to 1 oz small stackers.
            They also are trusted for triple 9 purity among traders as opposed to many of the less prominent groups which even sneak in sterling .925’s…englehard and Johnson matheney are the top of the heap but most often sell for several dollars per ounce over the daily list….

          • alan

            Look under 1 ounce rounds on the second page. I just ordered 10. The back is different than the original.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            on apmex dot com
            I went to silver > Silver Rounds > Silver Rounds By Weight > 1 oz.
            It returned me 41 rounds. I set it to show 60 per page and I still don’t see it. I did a ctrl + F search on the page and a site search for ‘Freedom Girl’.
            WTH! Well anyways…. Thanks for trying tho.

  • kimsarah

    But won’t the ponzi scheme stabilize when Draghi’s QE kicks in — further delaying but intensifying the collapse to come?

    • K2


      • alan

        Yea, we might be on borrowed time. But don’t under estimate the power of the printing press. Don’t forget there are trillions in 401k’s to be looted still.

        • cateye

          18 trillion or something close to that. Chuckie Schumer has had his eye on this money for some time now.

        • K2


        • K2

          They might be able to keep the financial sector afloat, but they wont able to improve the actual economy.

    • Tom

      It buys us more time to get out of the stock market. It buys us more time to prepare and purchase food, water, seeds, ammo, and other physical supplies.

  • The Conservanator

    Before the end 2016 is when the catastrophic event occurs.
    Before The Maggot and Moochelle get out of Dodge.
    You will know when it happens, because those around you
    will be screaming “abandon ship,” as the lifeboats are being lowered. Most of those poor souls will be caught, completely by surprise.
    Heading for the range in the morning, because it is
    imperative that those skills remain honed.

  • Hightide58

    IBM has just started a massive round of layoffs. From what I have read, the numbers could go as high as 110,000. At first IBM denied this high number of layoffs since it represents 26% of its workforce. The really strange thing is that as the layoff reports widen, IBM is quietly justifying a high number of layoffs as early retirements. That basically means the over 50 crowd is getting canned. It find it very amusing that the CEO, who failed to turn IBM around is not on the chopping block. But That’s corporate life.

    • Melissa Zimmerman

      Well that makes sense; get rid of all the ones that can remember the perks of seemingly good life. Stick novices in there and they WON’T remember what a pension is, or paid time off, or any other benefit that would have been considered normal 15 years ago.

      • Hell Monster

        I hate the pit of hell

        • Ian Beattie

          Then stop working for Satan…..

      • Hightide58

        IBM has also announced that they presently have 15,000….count em….job openings. This can only be summarized as “churn.” Wring out the old, bring in the new.

        • hidflect

          Hindi native speakers only, I presume…

    • Yet it has not even begun.

      We can be sure the consequences will indeed never be the same, it will truly be the end of this current era and the start of another, the 20th century started in 1914 and the 21st century will likely begin this year.
      You have the opportunity to see history unfold, please do not miss it out.

    • erik-da-red

      110,000 will put a rocket in the share price

  • Chris Webb

    I enjoy your articles, well, about as much as one can enjoy reading about financial turmoil, but you really need to buy a thesaurus. You use the word “sadly” probably 5 times every article. It gets a little old. You do great work but it would be nice if you spiced up your writing a little.

    • Bill

      I can’t think of a better word to describe the grave catastrophic situation the world is facing.

      • Guest

        Sadly, neither can I. :-)

        • alan

          Sadly this article is about our sad state of affairs.

  • Priszilla

    The internet all over the world is getting “p o r n” filters to “protect children”.
    Encryption will be prohibited to “fight terrorism”.
    When everything is in place the keywords in the filters are changed.

  • Bill

    Michael, thanks for a great start for TMETT. There seems to be no end to the list. It seems like some force is working overtime to destroy the world.

    • Angel

      This force has been working since the fall of Adam and Eve.

  • Clive

    Michael, if events do unfold like you envision and, together with your previous posting about the dangers of a major war in the Middle East erupting, then it will be a major catastrophe for the world to say the least. But whether our deeply troubling times descend into serious calamity in 2015 or (hopefully) another year I am reminded of the goodness of our Lord’s promise: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” (John 3:16). In fact, I copied this verse from your article ‘The Most Important Thing’ that you keep available along the menu bar of The Economic Collapse blog website. How ironic it is that our money bears the words of our national motto “In God we Trust” – if only we as a nation had collectively done that a lot better. Instead we have put our trust in money and now, it seems, we can only fearfully await the consequences of what we have sown. Perhaps there is still time – the Lord’s mercy is unfathomable.

    • Yuppie

      I’m reading a great book right now I borrowed from the Library. It’s called Hard Times by: Terkel and it’s a collection of individual stories from those who went through the Great Depression. It’s a good read for us who are spoiled rotten and too young to have known anyone who was old enough to even remember those days. Most people my age feel untouchable and have their heads in the sand. History can teach us good lessons

      • Revolt to save America

        yuppie how old are you ? I’m 48, grandma was in the great depression, passed 10 years ago, I am related to Pretty Boy Floyd, but altho there is bad, he also tore up mortgages and tried to help the middle class. It’s a bad story but anyhow. Times are changing permanently, it will be in this state the rest of our lifetimes. the great depression of 1929 lasted well into the late 40s, so twenty years, we have a long roach ahead.
        friend me on FB Cheryl Schankerman Erhart

    • The nation have collectively relied on Him to do their civil duties for them and not needing to be vigilant as the future of the nation and this world.

      Surrender responsibility, don´t think, trust that the Lord/Progress will make things fix themselves somehow.

      No, no amount of prayers and belief will fix things unless the welfare office is your church, only well-thought action ultimately will.

      If you want to pray, pray that you realize what you must do, have the skills to do it, have the fortitude and courage to see it carried out.

      The Lord’s mercy is not unfathomable should you have the eyes and mind to notice it.

      • Clive

        I agree that the sorry state of the world does not readily give the impression that God’s mercy is unfathomable. But it need not have been this way. The Lord’s prayer tells us to seek our heavenly Father’s will: “Thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven” (Matthew 6:10) but unfortunately the Lord’s will is not often done on earth because we prefer to go our own way. But while we yet live the Lord’s mercy is abundantly given if we seek Him:

        ‘Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need’. Hebrews 4:16

        ‘Let us fall now into the hand of the Lord; for his mercies are great: and let me not fall into the hand of man’. 2 Samuel 24:14

        ‘Have mercy upon me, O God, according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions’. Psalm 51:1

        ‘It is of the Lord’s mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not. They are new every morning: great is your faithfulness’. Lamentations 3:22-23

        • alan

          The bankers want a war, but not a huge one. The idea is to cause a smoke screen to divert attention from their theft and create more debt. A war that involves nukes is not in their cards.

          • Of course, but one false step could lead to a nuclear exchange killing hundreds of millions directly, and maybe billions through the destruction of agricultural land and medical facilities. The rich would have a contingency plan for this, namely moving to their private islands in Greece and the Caribbean for the duration of the crisis, then returning to establish the servitude of the survivors in agriculture and industry once the war is over.

          • David Fuhriman

            I wouldn’t count a nuclear war out. In fact, it is pretty much in the cards. Russia is adding to its nuclear arsenal. The Russian bear is very angry at the West. Those on the American East Coast need to move away or face the wrath of the Russian bear. You have been warned.

          • NorthernConserv

            These bankers will have no say when reality hits them over the head, there is bigger fish who will gobble them up. Another thing, every weapon man has invented has been used, from the atomic bomb to the soon to be used nuclear bomb.

        • Entototoo

          Thank you!

    • Revolt to save America

      Clive Beautiful, thank you ! ! God Bless You

  • goldminer

    So who cares? The Stupor bowl is just around the corner. I have my wide screen TV, Food stamps, and plenty of beer. Depression? We got no Depression… We don’t need no stinking depression..

    • rmc9


    • Hightide58

      What else do you need in life?

    • Km

      I hope that is sarcasm on your part? When the coup is fully in place, you won’t have any of those things!! Better get out of the land of denial, it can kill!

      • K2

        Its sarcasm.

        • Km


      • trannyoakley

        Seriously, chuckle nuts? You can’t understand sarcasm when you see it?

        • Km

          Thanks for that term of endearment, I really appreciate it!! Don’t you think it’s about time to trash the comedy and the sarc, and get serious about things? We are just around the corner from global conflict, gee is that funny?

    • Randy Townsend

      Captures the ignorance and blindness of the average American perfectly.

  • K

    I am sorry to say, I think we just saw the Government last test drill in NYC. You saw how easily they shut everything down. And for the first 6 hours, with very little objection. In an honest market what the Government is doing would mean very little. But in a fixed market, their actions speak volumes.

    • Mike Smithy

      Ahh yes. it was a test run for imposing Martial Law. Very perceptive of you K.

    • T.

      The Global collapse is under way. It will arrive with all of its fury in the 2nd half of this year. You’re right. This snow storm in NY was a drill for the real – Rahm Emanuel said, “Never let a good Crisis go to waste.”

      • Revolt to save America

        I know Peter Schiff and Gerald Celente have been talking collapse since 2007, but we have, We ALL MUST keep in mind, the feds disrupted the natural process of recession and by propping it up it just made it more painful.
        This time it’s going to Happen ! ! !
        the rest WHERE NOT the boy who cried wolf, we had it right, some of us have been mocked as hate mongers, NO, it’s been manipualated, this delay, NOW it’s coming, serious,

    • Revolt to save America

      People are like sheep and we can’t be one voice , everyone needs to wake up and stand up. TO WALK in NYC should have been fine and bike riding by food establishments, COME ON, yes it was a test run, disturbing ! ! ! and to be threatened fine, come on,,,

  • Zu schlau für diese Scheiße

    Be sure to invest in precious metals… lead, copper, Russian bi-metals… let the bartering begin.

  • alan

    I think during the depression of 1930’s the US was in a way better shape than now. People I don’t think were in debt like now. We manufactured all kinds of stuff that went all over the world. If you wanted a car or a ship or any huge machinery it was pretty much America made.
    People also had very large gardens too to grow extra food.

    We don’t have any of this going for us now. If this blows up in our faces we’re screwed.

    • Drud

      So true, Alan, and in many more ways than that. For one, there was no Suburbs. People either lived in cities or in the country. Suburbia only exists because of abundant and cheap oil. Second, while there was an expansive power grid by that time, many still did not use electricity and all were far less dependent upon it. Also, the vast majority had a wide range of skills to make households grow, today we are very specialized in our skill-sets. Plus, people were just tougher, physically, mentally and spiritually. We are a very pampered and spoiled society today–myself included.

    • SunnyFlaSnotress

      Noo.. Infrastructure, communications, and resources of many sorts weren’t nearly what they are today. The technology of what allows mass production was very different back then. Got a crop problem? Irrigation has advanced.. Planes, faster ships, and many more trucks on the road can import.
      Just because we get lazy letting the other guy do our manufacturing, doesn’t mean we can’t go back to manufacturing as needed.

      • alan

        We are automated out of work, the problem is robots don’t pay us anything to live on.
        The huge infrastructure created in the last 50 years is now old and needs repair and we are broke.
        How many years would it take for people to buy land and start producing food, quite a while.
        Most of the modern law are very anti small business.
        Zoning laws, EPA, etc knocks out the small guy.

        Can we do it? sure. Will it happen? Well not before lots of people eat each other first.

        • Revolt to save America

          I NEED TO FRIEND UP ON FACE BOOK with some of you, I want half my friends to be economic savvy. So friend me at Cheryl schankerman erhart. I sometimes post Peter Schiff and CNBC stuff and most people are in the dark with the economy, YOU GUYS ARE NOT,,, so please friend me so we can share whats yet to come.
          Cheryl Schankerman Erhrat

          • Revolt to save America


      • Revolt to save America

        the internet made this a global economy now we compete with all countries, so we will never be the same, we have to lower our standards because we where above the rest and they now have taken our jobs,,,, it’s the new world, period

      • David Horace

        Last week in Baltimore, they imploded the largest blast furnace in the world at the old Beth Steel plant, once the largest steel mill in the world. We’re not going back to “manufacturing as needed.” They employed 40,000 people there years ago — zero now, and bankrupt.
        Maybe Apple will start making Iphones in the US instead of China at 20 times the cost. Yeah, any day.

    • Mondobeyondo

      You’re right. We are in a much worse shape right now than we were during the 1930’s. When the real pain comes, it is going to HURT.

      • NorthernConserv

        The bombs are bigger and faster.

    • guest

      And….. people had a personal relationship with God. And….. people had a personal relationship with their neighbors, a sense of community. And…..

  • reasonsformoving

    What is it about New Zealand that the wealthy find so attractive aside from its scenic landscape?

    • Robert

      Isolation. Feeds itself. English speaking. Tightly controlled immigration. If u have money, u r in. If u are starting a business that will employ citizens u r in provided u essentially bond yourself. Closest thing to “paradise” on the planet though not without its own social problems. It would be my choice for a destination. I am encouraging one of my children to emigrate there but he has one of their wanted skills.

      • jakartaman

        Southern hemisphere will escape most of the nuclear fallout and be inhabitable. Northern hemisphere will be a waste land for centuries.

    • SunnyFlaSnotress

      Lotsa sheep running around :)

  • Enrique R. DéZuardí

    as long as i have F.Stamps & my unemployment check keep coming in its all good..

  • Avner

    “Even though most average citizens are completely oblivious to what is happening”

    Serves em right really. Ignorance in the 21st century due to the amount of new out there isn’t a condition, it’s a choice.

  • sherlock32555

    Our government will bail them out and stick the dumb Americans with the bill just last just last time and nobody got angry and marched on Washington D.C. they just rolled over and went back to sleep!

  • Scott R.

    You have been repeating the same nonsense for how many years now? And to make matters worse, you thump your Bible as if the Bible is some fortune-telling prophecy. So there is going to be another stock market crash. Big deal. People are going to lose about 30% of the value of their stock portfolio during the crash. Do you really think all business is suddenly going to grind to a halt? Is Apple going to suddenly stop producing iPhones? Is Starbucks going to suddenly stop serving coffee? Is Nestle going to suddenly stop selling chocolate? Are people going to suddenly stop watching movies? Are people going to suddenly stop driving cars? Is the earth going to suddenly stop turning? No. None of this is going to happen. It’s going to be just another market crash created by the Federal Reserve (just like all market crashes are created by the Federal Reserve), and yes, people are going to lose some money. But then, the economy will recover over time. It’s not really going to be the end of the world as you keep claiming.

    • Drud

      I agree with much of what you say, and I too like to avoid the religious arguments as I believe them to be of little practical value outside of personal faith, but I recognize that it is dangerous to believe that just because something hasn’t happened in your lifetime that it will never happen. Empires collapse, it takes generations but it always happens. If you are certain of what you say, then you are done. If you would like more information and alternate perspectives.read The Five Stages of Collapse by Dmitry Orlov and The Collapse of Complex Societies by Joseph Tainter. The idea is that while previous crashes have been contained within the financial sector, that is no guarantee of future crashes. You should also acquaint yourself with the concepts of “normalcy bias” and “prediction fatigue.” It is VERY difficult to keep expecting a crash, in fact, to recognize the mathematical certainty of it, and yet have each day proceed very much like the one before it. To answer your questions, while it may not be likely that Starbucks stops serving coffee and people stop going to movies, etc, it IS possible. “Predicting stuff is hard, especially about the future.” (Yogi Berra) No one knows what the future holds, but to blind oneself to possibilities and assume that this coming crash will be just like the last two is a dangerous mindset.

      • Revolt to save America

        Drud perfectly said ! ! thank you, and also manipulated markets has delayed this crash.

    • Mondobeyondo

      Maybe the Bible isn’t fortune-telling prophecy, but it is prophecy. Many, if not most, Bible prophecies have already been fulfilled. If the poopie does hit the rotary oscillator, all of that which you mentioned could very well happen. And yes, God has temporarily stopped the earth from turning. It was when Joshua (if I remember correctly) was fighting a battle, and twilight was rapidly approaching.

      • Guest

        You are right, Mondo. It’s in the book of Joshua.

    • Somewhere around 2009.

      Yes, he thumps the bible and apparently believes it is the true and unmodified word of the Creator, I think the latter is a terrible mistake but please realize he does mean well still.
      He have taken the time to warn us for years and have helped many people to get ready for what is coming.

      Hence, you should surely not belittle and/or berate him.

      He have backed his warnings with actual data. We viewers can have a rough estimate as to what the consequences of the crash may be.
      The end of the dollar as an international trade currency is a likely possibility and yes, that will have severe consequences.

    • Mike

      How do you know? Nice picture.

    • Jerry C

      The stock market has crashed every 7 years from 09/2001 on the Feast of Trumpets. On 09/29/2008, it crashed by its largest amount by 777 pts & 7%; again on Feast of Trumpets. Feast of Trumpets is one of God’s Holy Feast Days and is a warning to the world of impending judgement. I guess you see this as coincidence. One man’s coincidence is another man’s providence. We’ll see what happens on or about 09/13/2015. Until then, please look up Normalcy Bias.

  • Horiboyable .

    I can imagine Prez Obama when he is questioned by the media about the coming recession, he will say;
    Some folks are going to be f****d

  • Matt thomas

    If only there was a website that sold gold ans food storage. Wink

  • Megalon

    Great article Michael. It is really becoming apparent that we are entering a financial ‘Twilight Zone’.

    • Ian Beattie

      I agree it is a great article. Not “entering,” we are already in the “twilight zone”…I was looking at a hundred dollar bill, realizing that it isn’t backed by anything anymore. It’s hard to believe we put so much value in this worthless system. We are in the “matrix” or “twilight zone” now. Swallow that “red pill.”

      • I’d rather not have the currency and government controlled by the likes of J. P. Morgan during the Gilded Age (who loaned gold to the Treasury and collected significant interest, on several occasions) any more than it already is. We need a system of sovereign money created free and clear by an independent agency of the federal government, spent into circulation by Congress for the benefit of the poor, sick, disabled, and elderly rather than created by the big banks.

        • Ian Beattie

          “spent into circulation by Congress” LOL. I thought I was a dreamer….

  • underaged

    Michael, you must have been one of those kids in elementary school who was punched around every day during recess. You seem to have this desperate desire to watch the world fall apart so as to feel a sense of vindication. Sorry to say that, no, you are just going to go through life hating the people around you and wishing doom upon them. But the upside is that you found an audience with the same complex, so okay, yeah the world is going to fall apart next week and we all die poor – so what – feel better now.

    • underaged

      Seriously though – your analogy of associating a newborn child (birth pangs) with the onset of depression and despair says there is something seriously wrong with your view of life and the world around you. I think you need therapy.

      • Billzo

        Underaged – Apparently, something brought you to this blog and urged you to read this article. Curiosity? Maybe. You may not agree, but knowing there are two sides to every issue can be advantageous, whether you agree or not. I do not see any intent of vindication in Michael’s articles, and I feel he truly believes in his writings and seems to provide ample evidence for each case he makes. If you do not agree then that is fine, however, there are many of us who do. It is very easy for you to spout off personal attacks from omnimity. Perhaps some form of therapy may help you with your displaced resentment.

      • chris

        Having to reply to your own comment is pretty feeble. I suspect you studied psychology, and failed. You’ve come to the wrong site. Michael is considerably more intelligent and observant than yourself. Why not start your own website for government lackeys and rose tinted spec wearers?

      • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

        it’s a biblical reference. From the Gospel of Matthew.

      • Mike Smithy

        We don’t hate everyone, just you. Run along now underaged one, the adults are trying to have grown up conversations.

    • Guest

      Boy, you sure have an appropriate username. You couldn’t be further off base with your juvenile comment. Michael didn’t start his sites because he hates people, and he doesn’t want to see the world fall apart. He’s using his God-given gifts to help others prepare for the hard times that are ahead.

    • rentslave

      You must be one of those people who believe that Obama was in Hawaii before 1966.

  • Capn Poopy

    This says it all

  • chris

    This time round can we please round up all the central bankers and staff of the central banks for the last 15 years and line them up against a wall. It’s obvious who is going to be the cause of the coming crash and was the cause of the previous crash. Don’t let them off the hook this time by blaming speculators – they gave the speculators the cheap money.

    • Occams

      The Central Banks will try VERY hard to distance themselves from any and all blame in The Crash, but will “offer sound solutions in the form of a One World Currency”.

      This is manipulated, and the bankers, will, as always, come out smelling like a rose – and immensely rich.

    • The central banks merely serve as a backstop to the corrupt private banking system, a sort of first among equals if you will. They can only create money by buying existing bank assets, and cannot create it free and clear. I’d say that the private and central bankers ought to be looked at for their criminality in perpetuating the debt-backed and unsustainable monetary system.

  • tovlogos

    Actually, this is not our biggest problem.
    “For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes. but these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs.” (You haven’t seem the worst of it, by a long shot) (Matthew 24:7,8)

    “For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like in the days of Noah. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and they did not understand until the flood came and took then all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be.” (Matthew 24:38, 39) The rest is history.

    What many people who are still trying to save us from economic ruin fail to realize is our spiritual depravity is the real problem. No one wants to be starving; but the solution escapes the secular experts.
    No matter what we do, or try, will not work if it does not include a commitment to Jesus Christ.

    • Oster

      God please plug up the pit of hell before it’s tolate.

      • tovlogos

        Amen, Oster; but it’s mankind that keeps the door to the pit wide open by his defiance to God. This is why prophecy will be fulfilled as written. People talk about “revival,” which begs the question, Revive what? People are deluded into thinking that there was time when we were a holy nation — When? At best, there are individuals (Mark 13:27; Matthew 24:31) who have truly received the Spirit, but never a nation. And now we are indisputably in free-fall. No one can fix it; but the second coming of Jesus will, finally, put this curse to an end.

    • MrsBulldoggy .

      America and Americans will never Repent, they will never admit to any sin. Too many Americans see absolutely no problem with the current moral decay of our society, they think it is “normal”. Besides, America is now under judgment and the punishment is going to be harsh. Not that I enjoy watching people suffer, but I understand why we are going to suffer in this country. We can’t continue living like we are without consequences coming. That 18 TRILLION Dollar Debt, just by itself, is enough to warrant severe backlash. Everything else just pushes us over the edge. Those of us who have repented and worship the Lord need to stay close and pray for everyone else to find Him in these trying days to come.

      • tovlogos


  • ian

    Those of us with positve mental attitudes see a world of hope and possibilites and human ingenuity and progressive forawrd thinking. I am so glad i escaped the matrix of thinking everything is going to hell and the world is ending. It is a farce people. You are letting negative views of the world cloud your judgement and you belief system and you are offering nothing to brig to the table to move us forward. Escape the lies that is is all ending. We are about to break through to some glorious times, as we are in the birth pangs of a great new vision for the world. Seriously. Do yourself a favor and start to think positive for a change. The world is a beautiful place.

    • BuelahMan

      I’m sure all the hungry babies will agree with you.

    • Ian Beattie

      We can’t just happy feeling our way out of this one bud….

    • rmc9

      …I”ll have some of what ever you’re smoking please…

    • Occams


      No, we’re not about to “break through to some glorious times”, and the “great new vision” makes you sound like a shill, selling the New World Order. You’re a bit scary if you’re serious.

      I, too, remain positive, and live each day fully (I play pro tennis, and surf), but the ‘normalcy bias’ can be a killer, especially to fat, indolent, apathetic Americans, who’ve led a VERY unrealistic life – on borrowed time.

      Stay positive – but stay aware, think outside the box, ‘hope for the best, plan for the worst’.

  • Preparequickly

    Funny thing is Micheal these people put you down day after day and yet they come back and read your articles and comment. If i didnt believe in something i wouldn’t read it. Do you think if somebody was an atheist would they read the Bible everyday?

    • gfmucci

      Interesting and valid point. There is a little corner in the mind of the greatest skeptic that something dire is about to happen, just enough to keep them reading. Then again, the sworn conservative will read the liberal media, just to keep up with what the other side is thinking, and vice versa.

      • Gay Veteran

        you mean the corporate media

    • Rob W

      I never read it. But then, that’s true of many believers, as well.

    • grumpyhillbilly

      It’s likely paid trolls who are just doing what they’ve been paid to do. Michael and his blog must have been notice by our masters.

      • guest

        They’re not my masters.
        On a different note, Thank you Michael for your sites, articles and the time that you put into them.
        I would also like to thank you for being a gracious host.

  • Mondobeyondo

    But wait, the recession is OVER! The job market is recovering!

    Every time I watch the mainstream news, I get the same feeling I got when I paid $5.75 for a Jumbo Jack and fries. That’s it. No drink, no apple pie, no nothing else. In other words, I got Jack’d. And if you listen to mainstream news outlets, so are you.

    As long as the touchdowns keep coming, and Katy Perry keeps singing, and the beer keeps flowing, all is well in Horrorland. The real horror, though, is right around the corner.

    • Tony Nobaloney

      When the socialists raise the minimum wage for a high school drop-out fry guy to $15/hr your $5.75 Jumbo Jack and fries is going to be $10.75.

    • none

      Mondo: Did you feel “Jack’d” since they took off the fries and didn’t even offer you a small sized drink?

  • rogerinflorida

    The sooner the better. When the US$ devalues against other currencies we will have to make what we consume ourselves. US has almost all the resources it needs to build and can trade for what it does not have. In particular we have a large white European population of incredible human capital value, who got to the Moon? Of course the spongers will have to relearn what poverty means but that is a good thing. We need to return to meritocracy and away from AA and other social engineering schemes. For those who cannot feed themselves provide food parcels of flour, dried milk, dried egg, etc. If you don’t want to work you can live on that, in a tent.

  • I Miss America

    They can keep this crack whore of country going a lot longer than you think. Every year hundreds of thousands of white hating, tyranny loving retards pour across the border to become new voters. All they have to do is keep it going until whites are in the minority and then the gloves can come off. The unveiling of the North American Union and the overt voiding of the Constitution will come shortly thereafter. We’ll likely have a Civil War over the 2nd Amd. But after the extermination of Southern and Midwestern whites (kulak style), it will be game over, forever.

    • rentslave

      The Italians of the North Ward of Newark will fight to the end.

      • bean

        Nd the Irish South of Town.

  • Mike Smithy

    I’m Lovin It.

    • Tim


  • Mondobeyondo

    McDonald’s and layoffs… there’s an oxymoron in there somewhere…

  • Drud

    I agree that what we are witnessing is a breakdown of the world’s political order, and I fear the damage the system will do in its collapse, but, contrary to many opinions on this site and others, our oligarchs are not omnipotent and certainly not all-knowing. They are very human, and their empires, like all others throughout history, will fall. But the thing we must be thinking about is not simply surviving, but rebuilding the system in a better way, one far simpler, far less centralized, with far more liberty.

  • TBonePickens

    Everyone should read The Crash of 2016 by Thom Hartmann.

  • grumpyhillbilly

    Isn’t just lovely that the uber wealthy are planning to escape to somewhere with immigration laws?

    On a side note, the local news did a segment on darning, shoe repair, and patching clothes. That’s depression like.

  • Alex

    We will hold the elite to account here in New Zealand. Kim Dotcom thought he could run away too.

  • John

    I’ve been studying Agenda 21 recently. A big part of the plan is to reduce the earth’s population to under 500 million. That means over a 90% reduction in world population!. So let’s say our country’s leaders want to make that happen here. How do they do it? Maybe make as many people as possible dependent on the system and then collapse the system. Next, wait for things to play out… Afterwards, all you need is UN troops to mop up the remaining preppers and you are there… They just need to maintain stability in a few key areas, such as DC, Silicon Valley and key military installations, and then they’ll have the control infrastructure left that they need after the population reduction is finished. Food for thought.

    • watchmanonthetower

      Seen the Georgia Guidestones, John? That population number is literally written in stone. Appreciate your input and research into A21 – more folks need to know…


      • cateye

        Very interesting, those stones. Not many know about them.

  • Daystrom2012

    It’s not just birth pangs for an economic collapse, but birth pangs for the coming tribulation and the second coming of Christ. Every sign is in place.

    • Occams


  • Big Rigger

    I wonder how the recent order for class 8 trucks fit into all this. Class 8 trucks are your typical big rig. October’s Total of 46,200 Is the Second-Highest…ever. Companies won’t usually order new excess equipment unless they are sure its going to be used (though there is the ongoing driver shortage which aggravates things). As of now, there’s a lot freight getting moved and a lot of trucks on the road.

    • Occams

      Makes me wonder MORE what they’ll be used for….

      The Baltic Dry Index – which few have ever heard of, because the banks, MSM, and the US government cannot manipulate the figures, so is never mentioned, just hit a 29-year low, yesterday, even LOWER than ’08.

      Off almost 15% for the first 30 days, and almost 50% year-to-year.

  • michael smith

    So…what will happen to home prices? Should I buy now @4%, or keep renting–expecting prices to drop??

    • Mike Smithy

      There is an article that just posted on Zero Hedge regarding negative mortgage interest rates in Denmark. That’s right, Denmark is now paying people to purchase a house. I am still trying to comprehend what I just read. Theoretically, if it’s an interest only mortgage loan, the bank will pay buyers to live in a free house. In which case, does the bank get to deduct the interest on the mortgage for tax purposes? Wow, I think Denmark has jumped the shark. It’s surreal.

      • michael smith

        Thanks Mike. I read the article, but have to say, I don’t understand what the implications are for a new mortgage. You still would pay back the money…but your actual payments decrease bc the depositor paying the neg interest rate is effectively paying a portion of your mortgage principle…and you would be paying no interest??

        • Mike Smithy

          Can you imagine not only negative mortgage interest rates, but forcing the banks to pay you origination fees and discount points. I giggle at the possibilities.

        • The problem is there’s no depositor paying anything. Whenever banks make loans they create the money out of thin air; they only need coins, notes, and electronic reserves for transactions between the banks and never lend them out to the public. In other words, deposits are drawn from loans, not the other way round.

          Money that by its creation carries interest is criminal and even sinful, since it enslaves the borrower and ultimately the entire society to paying debts to banks. Negative interest rates are a step in the right direction.

  • nekksys

    I, for one, am looking forward to my “early retirement.” Then I’ll be able to hunt and fish every day without having to worry about anything else.

    Yes, ladies and gentlemen, better days are coming (for me…)

    • Kim

      Sounds like a paradise to me!! See u out there:))

      • nekksys

        I’ll get the sweat lodge and the smoke house ready.

        See you there!

        • Kim

          I’ll be there!!!

  • Kim

    I think Jesus himself referred to this coming great depression as a “great tribulation” that hasn’t been seen on the earth before (to such a degree) and will never be seen again. This is it. Get ready. Prepare, endure and pray. We can get through this alive.

    • paul

      I might not have as much of a problem with christians in the us if they did not think that all bible prophecy pertained to them and only to them. What about people in other countries that have been suffering for generations? Is that their punishment for not being christian?

      Seriously people always think everything is about them and where they are in the moment when the fact of the matter is that it is not.

      Things are just the way they are. God is not reigning down his terror and so-called justice on anymore. He does not have to do anything because there are too many willing to do terrible things to other people.

      • Kim

        I understand. I think the difference is that when this Great Depression, aka tribulation, comes it will be world wide and no one will be immune from the crisis and pain. But you’re right, some parts of the world have been utter hell on earth for decades. But once this “Great Depression” hits, it’ll be comprehensive, complete and will cover the entire inhabited world. The why the bible say rich men will throw their money into the street. It will become worthless.

        And I agree -God is not reigning down his terror. Quite the opposite. Man did this to himself. But I believe God has the ability to foresee the consequences of man’s greedy management of this world and issue prophecies for a warning to all of us.

        • GSOB

          Coincidence is God trying to stay anonymous.

          Nothing happens unless it is through Him or His will.

          To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been granted.…

          • jack

            “Nothing happens unless it is through Him or His will.” If that is the case then there is NO SUCH thing as free will that christians try to say exists. I know it is pointless to argue to anyone who has a belief but I just can’t help myself. All religion is a poison and tool used by the elite to continue screwing over the masses. I know this insanity will never stop (but it is so aggravating). Wake up.

          • Jerry C

            You should Wake up. You’re poisoned. I know it is pointless too to argue with you since you’re belief is made up but I can’t help myself. Try having an actual relationship with our God & Savior Jesus Christ. You just might like it… and it’s good for you!

      • Jerry C

        Things are not just the way they are. Do you not realize the world isn’t the same as it always has been? All verging together at the same time? For the worst?

        Seriously, you scoffers always think things will continue as they always have been. Look up Normalcy Bias. It fits you to a T.

    • nekksys

      But there are a few things left to happen before this all comes to pass. Like you, I’ll be watching and waiting with great anticipation.

    • GSOB

      For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy,..

      Doing away with the old economy, that is, God’s administration in the OT way, and He, (Jesus Christ) is the new way of doing things,….. hence.. it will not be any other change and His administration.

      Its about God’s economy, changing. God’s economy is to dispense Himself into man.

      First off….
      He give us the Faith of Jesus.

      Our faith is not good enough. But His Faith given to us, strengthens and renews our faith as we see Him, know His presence, hear His voice.

      It’s the faith of Jesus given to us that make it a ‘faith that saves’.

      Jesus is the prototype and His Kingdom has already started and it is without end. The Canon of scripture was completed in A.D. 70

      History is the future unfolding, for that was the mystery hid from ages, the zenith of the Divine revelation… that is, Christ in you, the hope of Glory…

      By rebirth, we become the children of God.

  • Guest

    Sounds like a paradise to me!

  • S.A. Harmon

    When the collapse goes down, the first places people are going to flood to are ATM’s and grocery stores. Probably best to have some food on hand, lock and load and wait things out. Hopefully it won’t take too long for things to settle down.

  • SodThat

    Can everyone stop with the God stuff, there have been numerous horrendous times throughout history and each time the religious fanatics were out claiming ‘these are the end of times’, of course they weren’t then and they won’t be now either. I’m sure God would prefer it if you actually did something to make the world a better place rather than sit around preaching end of world gibberish and believing God will arrive on his white chariot and save you, it’s just not going to happen.

  • The problem stems from debt-backed currency, which almost every major worldwide currency is. Allow the issuance of currency free and clear and ban private banks from issuing national currencies and we can get started on the path to recovery.

    No longer will we need debt slavery of the middle class to maintain the economy: rather money would be created and then given to the poor, sick, disabled, and elderly, who need it most and who would immediately allow it to spread to the economy. It would be a far better system than allowing the fabulously rich banksters to have a monopoly on money creation to subjugate us further.

    • jakartaman

      That’s been tried and fail miserably –

  • Mike Adams

    I deleted your email and now, I will keep deleting them if you keep sending them, George. Sout.

  • RandPaul

    Is that a blue wiener in that photo??

  • Mike Adams

    Who cares? Soout.

  • LifeandLiberty

    Michael, what will the actual Depression look like for the average American?

  • Priszilla

    A rainy Sunday is just perfect for some maintenance work.


    Can someone please tell me what authority the Governor of New York has to ban all traffic from the roads.?Try that here in Scotland and GB and the vast majority would ignore it. Did the police have authority to arrest anyone if they found them driving their cars on the road.Seems the Americans have lost their spirit and whatever they see and hear on CNBC, FOX etc they just obey ?

  • Genada

    The try value of fiat currency is zero. The world needs to work on finding a balance between production and value.

    The problem for the United States is that is produces too little, consumes too much. To keep this up the entire world has been distorted. The world is going to need to work towards finding a proper balance between those that produce and consume. Trade is going to need to be restored to a balance of near zero.

    It was thought that the future could be made to pay for the debts of today. Well today is here and the bill is due.

  • Hightide58

    That should make it complete!

  • arcturus

    The Chinese army will bring you one when they take over during the next Depression.

  • DB200

    “This week, we learned that the Baltic Dry Index has fallen to the lowest level that we have seen in 29 years.”

    I kinda liked how it was in 1986. If just everything could go back to that level.

  • rat28

    Sound like this website is all wrong.. stock markets rally all around the world have skyrocketed.. even oil and commodities have the best rebound

  • Ken5745

    President Nixon closed the gold window on Aug 15, 1971 and abrogated the agreement made at Bretton Woods to redeem gold at US$35 an oz. The US was on the gold standard then and it was not possible to print more dollars to fund the reckless Vietnam war.

    Nixon had no choice but to default against the gold standard.

    The Hungary PIIGS nations ( Hungary, Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece and Spain) are now saddled with a ‘euro standard’ and they cannot print the euro. Their economies are being strangled by a giant boa constrictor from Brussels. Who will blink first?

  • Jerry C

    In addition, 10 days from 09/29/2008 was Feast of Atonement. The stock market crashed again by 678.91 pts. I studied the book of Esther in original Hebrew and noticed something. God is counting toward a future judgement. Add a 0 after 678.910. Now do you see? 6,7,8,9,10. The book of Esther almost didn’t make the Canon because God’s name was never used (at the textual level). However, using acrostics (1st or last letter of each word), God’s name was spelled forward (if a Jew was speaking or a future judgement) or backward (gentile speaking or past judgement). And we have the tetrad Blood Moons ending in 2015 and a Shemitah year to boot. Absolutely amazing… for those with eyes to see.

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