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Do You Remember When Black Friday Actually Still Mattered In America?

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Bored - Public DomainOnce upon a time, “Black Friday” was a major event in the United States.  Yes, the mainstream media is still endlessly hyping it up, and major retailers are still rolling out their “incredible deals”, but it appears that most Americans are tiring of this particular gimmick.  Or perhaps it is just that U.S. consumers don’t have as much discretionary income as they once did.  As you will see below, retail traffic this Black Friday was “much, much slower” than anticipated.  And expectations were not great anyway – the number of shoppers was down last year, and it was being projected that there would be another decline in 2015.  Yes, there were still a few fights on Black Friday, but mostly the “holiday” was marked by giant piles of unsold merchandise sitting around collecting dust.  The inventory to sales ratio in the U.S. has surged to levels not seen since the last recession, and so the truth is that most retailers were hoping for much more contrived chaos on Black Friday than we actually witnessed.

Personally, I wish that this whole phenomenon would just simply disappear, because it definitely doesn’t bring out the best in the American people.

Who wants to see fellow citizens trampling one another and fighting with one another for cheaply made electronics that aren’t even manufactured in this country anyway?

Black Friday was always a disgusting spectacle, and now it appear to be fading.

Let’s start with Thanksgiving sales.  More stores than ever are opening on Thanksgiving Day itself, and according to SunTrust that was a total “bust” this year…

We believe Thanksgiving shopping was a bust. We note that traffic seemed below last year both on- and off-mall. Members of our team who went to the malls first had no problem finding parking or navigating stores. Crowds were tame and, with some exceptions there seemed to be more browsing than buying and less items purchased. We heard many people discussing that deals were not that compelling compared to years past. Interestingly, many retailers closed at midnight- which contributed to a sharp decline in traffic shortly thereafter. Off-mall, members of our team visited Walmart and Target for the openings and had no problem finding parking. Customers at both were focused on electronics. Lines, even early, were about half of what they were last year and quickly dissipated. The only off-mall big box retailer we visited with consistently long lines and customers making multiple item purchases was Kohl’s — where buys were focused on deals not available online.

Once Black Friday rolled around, things didn’t get any better.  For example, one analyst said that traffic at the Mall of America didn’t “look much busier than an average Saturday morning”

At the Mall of America in Minneapolis, the largest in the country, Edward Yruma, managing director at KeyBanc Capital Markets, said he’s seeing less traffic than years past as well. He was there from 6 p.m. to 1 a.m. last night and arrived again at 8 a.m. this morning.

It doesn’t look much busier than an average Saturday morning,” said Yruma.

And in North Carolina, retailers saw “much less traffic than was anticipated”

Jeff Simpson, a director at Deloitte Consulting LLP’s retail practice, surveyed shopping centers in North Carolina and saw smaller crowds than expected for Black Friday.

Across the board, much less traffic than was anticipated,” he said. “Much, much slower.”

Of course this wasn’t much of a surprise.  A global recession has already begun, and investors were dumping retail stocks ahead of Thanksgiving in anticipation of a horrible shopping season.  The following comes from the New York Post

Wall Street, fearful that consumers are running out of cash heading into the crucial Christmas retail season, are selling off retail stocks and everything else sensitive to consumer spending.

So why are consumers running out of cash?

Well, it is because the middle class is dying, poverty in America is exploding and the cost of living continues to soar.

Just look at what is happening to healthcare costs.  It turns out that employees that work for medium and large companies in the U.S. are now paying more than double for health insurance than they were a decade ago…

Employees of midsize and large companies in 2015 paid an average of $4,700 for their health insurance, up from $2,001 in 2005, according to recent analysis from Aon Hewitt.

For much more on how the cost of living is absolutely crippling families all over this nation, please see my previous article entitled “Inflation Is Crushing The Middle Class“.

Meanwhile, things continue to get worse around the rest of the globe as well.  The number of unemployed job seekers just hit a brand new record high in France, Puerto Rico is on the verge of a major debt default, and on Friday there was an absolutely massive stock market decline in China

In China, equities saw a significant sell off as a result of investigations by the Chinese securities regulatory body into several brokerages for breaking regulations. The Shanghai Composite closed 199 points, or 5.48 percent, lower; the Shenzhen Composite closed 6.1 percent lower, the Chinext was down 6.1 percent, and the CSI300 Index saw a decline of 5.38 percent.

Chinese brokerages took major hits, with Citic Securities, Founder Securities, and China Merchants closing 10.1, 10, and 9.98 percent lower after news broke that the China Securities Regulatory Commission (CSRC) has launched investigations into these firms to weed out short selling and speculation.

I hope that you enjoyed this Thanksgiving as much as you possibly could, because all of the underlying economic numbers are absolutely screaming that hard times are ahead.

This year, Americans are going to spend an average of $130 on “self-gifting” and more than $800 on the holiday season overall.  People are spending money that they don’t have on things that they don’t need, and meanwhile very few of us are actively preparing for what promises to be a very challenging 2016.

So yes, let us enjoy the time that we have with our families, but let us also not be completely oblivious to the huge changes that are literally happening all around us.

  • strtgy101

    I await the true situation to come to the surface, I have been watching and waiting with much concern.
    I think the final implosion is getting very close now, just not sure “Who will go down with the ship”….and who will abandon and profit from the loss of the ship, I guess we will see soon enough.

    • Mike Smithy

      I can’t wait for the CNBS financial cheerleaders to blame the dismal sales on the weather. Too hot, too cold, too wet, too dry. You get the idea. I doubt that they will suggest that the weather was just too perfect to to buy stuff you don’t need to impress the people you don’t like with money you don’t have. To say something like the latter would require journalistic integrity in a profession that is morally bankrupt.

      • RTL89

        You are now officially my favourite person.. lol. Finally somebody else who sees it for what it REALLY is.

        • SunnyFlaSnotress

          Michael went from
          “The Triumph Of Materialism: The Average American Will Spend 830 Dollars On Christmas In 2015″
          to
          “Do You Remember When Black Friday Actually Still Mattered In America?”
          Irony.

          • RTL89

            You know what? I actually completely agree with you there. I had similar feelings when I first read the two articles

      • autofixer

        They will say: “It was terrorism and fear, so the consumer stayed home.”

        • Ashley

          Well, I worked Black Friday for a little mom and pop gun shop and business was super Friday. If your going to blow a lot of money this Chiristmas than a gun is a great gift. Many customers say little things to me about economics more than politics. Something is coming.

          • SunnyFlaSnotress

            I thought you said you are a teacher.

          • Ashley

            From 2006-2010 and then homeschooled. I went back to work this October.

          • none

            Sorry for repeating your post,
            Have you thought about adding samples of Mountain house survival food? Doing people a favor?

        • none

          Wrong, there where long lines at the gun stores!
          Sales of spare parts are going through the roof.
          The newspapers didn’t report that!
          Since the economy is doing so great?
          ——————————
          Or maybe people just realized that it is now a last year’s junk clearance event, like I have.

      • merrileerj

        Oh but there will be no journalistic honesty, look at what happens in Turkey when they dare try that. Look how our president declared nothing to worry about concerning Thanksgiving travel, right after a high alert was issued. Gotta keep that fake economy & fake jobs numbers high…..
        Michael, you say sales were dismal, late last night they reported some huge huge sales number for black friday, like billions of dollars…how are they getting this?

        • SunnyFlaSnotress

          your comment isn’t good

          • merrileerj

            oH OKAY, good to know that einstein.

      • SunnyFlaSnotress

        I believe you mean CNBC.

        • Mike Smithy

          Nope. Use your imagination as to what the BS part means.

      • LIZ THE SHIZ

        CNBS, MSNBS, and NBS are all departments of dis-information and propaganda for the O’MAMA White House where only Black Lives Matter is the everyday narrative

      • alexb1

        Mike, they probably will say that we were all scared of terrorists so we didn’t venture out to the mall (yes, just as bad an excuse as the weather). Anyway, CNBC used the weather last week to explain the lousy earnings in retail apparel – apparently it has been too hot to motivate people to buy new sweaters and coats this year. The BS never ends in the financial press.

    • SunnyFlaSnotress

      Some poo sinks and some poo floats to the top… however it’s all poo.

      • merrileerj

        You’ve just got to say something-anything-don’t you Snot….even if it’s s**t. You even look evil.

        • SunnyFlaSnotress

          merri.. it’s a blog.. a place to communicate.. that’s what it’s here for
          Michael WANTS us to blog happily ever after. Not everything in the world is good

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Michael WANTS us to blog happily ever after. Not everything in the world is good

            Interestingly enough, every other day of the week, you call his writing d00m pr0n and claim everything is alright.

            It’s way too early be smoking crack.

            PS, Michael I really loathe your auto moderate.

          • SunnyFlaSnotress

            lol.. doom pron? I guess u mean po rn.
            Well yes, I do think he outdoes Sarah Bernhardt. and that his predictions are generally.. how am I allowed to say this.. not correct. But I never said everything is alright.. it’s just not as bad as Michael says and his timing is on par with a broken clock on military time.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Please ignore that I said I loathe Michaels auto moderate that wouldn’t let me use the word…

            But I never said everything is alright
            You mean all these low info prognostications of yours AREN’T a paraphrase of that exact sentiment!? Color me shocked that that much imbecility can exist in one person. Not really, I already know you’re an ID 10 Tango.

            “Michael is making the strong dollar and higher interest rates look like a bad thing”

            “Not that the drop in the Baltic Dry Index isn’t significant, but to put things in perspective,.. the index has only been around since 1985.”

            “I have more faith in the government than god.”

            ooooh Ohhhh. The buffoon (you) has even taken to the ‘everything is alright’ mockery of he who she fellates….

            SunnyFlaSnotress Mike Molyneaux 18 days ago
            The Economic Collapse Blog Has Issued A RED ALERT For The Last Six Months Of 2015.
            Published 6/25/2015.”

            “The government is bringing in record revenue and the fat are getting fatter.. thing is that there isn’t enough even distribution.”

            “13 Target store closings isn’t a biggie.. that’s less than 1% of their 1800 US stores. Area demographics and regional competition changes.. for instance..maybe a Walmart was built in the area of those stores… now if bunches of Target stores closed, I might be impressed.

          • SunnyFlaSnotress

            Actually the broken clock on Military time is right once a day.. so that wasn’t a good comparison.

            “You mean all these low info prognostications of yours AREN’T a paraphrase of that exact sentiment!?”

            No, they aren’t a paraphrase of the exact sentiment.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Now you’re just outright lying to defend your position. Is that you Hillary?

            Every one of those is an outright dismissal of evidence things ain’t going so well. Aka, things are going just spiffy.

          • SunnyFlaSnotress

            I’m not lying. I’m not Hillary.
            There are structural problems, but I don’t believe that society will slunk to MIchael’s level of low.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Ok, we’ll agree it’s ignorance then.

          • SunnyFlaSnotress

            “Oh ok, you don’t what you you’ve said and you don’t know what you’re talking about so we’ll agree it’s ignorance then”
            Sorry, I don’t speak in gibberish. You should bring an interpreter.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Lol, now you don’t know what I’m saying?
            Seek help, the stupid is completely taking over your already addled mind.

          • SunnyFlaSnotress

            Oh ok, you don’t what you you’ve said and you don’t know what you’re talking about so we’ll agree it’s ignorance then

          • Joe Woolf

            I sort of don’t know what will happen but, here’s the thing…. when you have an out of control govt. spending like ours has, how can you predict the outcome? I predict bad but, who knows how much longer they can keep all the balls in the air…. I doubt much longer but, who knows?

            I do know that this president has spent more than every other president combined….. we’re sort of living with al gore’s hockey stick graph at this point…. the economy won’t recover after 08…. the fed has taken their balance sheet from 600b to well over 4Tin bad assets…. nothing has changed except, it’s worse now.

            it’s sort of a national security issue if you ask me….. to leave your country this exposed to danger in our economics alone.

            So, I’m not the guy with his head in the sand…. this country can’t defy the laws of nature and physics for much longer…. neither can the other countries…. the only way this country can keep it up is to keep growing and when that slows…. or stops….. that’s it…. it’s over.

            It’s the whole 13th marble thing…. you can’t loan money into existence with interest and expect to get 13 marbles from a 12 marble loan unless the country continuously grows.

          • SunnyFlaSnotress

            I agree with you.

          • Joe Woolf

            we all have our own opinions etc….. I think Michael is right but, here’s the thing…. you don’t get to predict timing….. and, you don’t have to be a weather man to know which way the wind is blowing.

          • SunnyFlaSnotress

            For his newest ‘not correct’, we also didn’t get a Michael’s riot in Chicago after the release of the video.

  • Spook89

    As I watch the “Annual Running of the Sheeple”, I am reminded of Luke 12:15…15 Then he said to them, “Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; life does not consist in an abundance of possessions.”

    • SunnyFlaSnotress

      I’m reminded of Helter Skelter..

      When I get to the bottom I go back to the top of the slide
      Where I stop and I turn and I go for a ride
      Till I get to the bottom and I see you again
      Yeah yeah yeah hey

      Do you, don’t you want me to love you
      I’m coming down fast but I’m miles above you
      Tell me tell me tell me come on tell me the answer
      Well you may be a lover but you ain’t no dancer

      Now helter skelter helter skelter
      Helter skelter yeah
      Ooh!

      Will you, won’t you want me to make you
      I’m coming down fast but don’t let me break you
      Tell me tell me tell me the answer
      You may be a lover but you ain’t no dancer

      Look out helter skelter helter skelter
      Helter skelter ooh

      Look out, cos here she comes

      When I get to the bottom I go back to the top of the slide
      And I stop and I turn and I go for a ride
      And I get to the bottom and I see you again
      Yeah yeah yeah

      Well do you, don’t you want me to make you
      I’m coming down fast but don’t let me break you
      Tell me tell me tell me the answer
      You may be a lover but you ain’t no dancer

      Look out helter skelter helter skelter
      Helter skelter

      Look out helter skelter
      She’s coming down fast
      Yes she is
      Yes she is coming down fast

      • Lorungee

        It was just the acid. That’s all, just the acid.

      • Alwaystomorrow

        As much as you like music, may I suggest a vintage Kenwood Basic M2A amp mated to a vintage set of Cerwin Vega D-9 speakers. SWEET!

        • SunnyFlaSnotress

          sounds good.. ready to do a move though

          • Alwaystomorrow

            The amp and speakers weigh 230 lbs. so best purchased after the move.

            Maybe not a good idea if you have close neighbors. :-)

          • SunnyFlaSnotress

            agreed :) wow.. that IS heavy.. lol

  • Joey

    I had too work Thanksgiving night at Walmart and our Walmart was busy.

  • Guest

    I work in retail, and we did less business today compared to Black Friday last year. Last year we opened at the same time (8:00 a.m.), and I remember that people flooded in as soon we opened the doors. That didn’t happen today. It was dead for a while after we opened. Slowly people started coming in, but we just didn’t have the volume that we had last year. And we have more inventory in the store this year compared to last year.

    • merrileerj

      Maybe you should say what state you are in??

  • lmaoLMAOlmaoLMAOlmao

    i work at mcdonalds, we gave 2 for 1 and no one cared

  • Scott Comin

    This is the slowest holiday in New York I have ever seen. Our hotel has been slow for three weeks. People always mention the Paris attacks as the reason. I KNOW BETTER. It was slow before the attacks.

    • merrileerj

      You had the Black Lives Matter marchers blocking shoppers also….they like to resort to violence and / or ruining others’ lives to say what they want to say.

  • J B

    When is White Monday

    • Jazz

      Lol. They can’t do that. It’s not politically correct. Just like you will never see the White Entertainment Awards or White Entertainment Television.

  • rat28

    Don’t worry ..Amazon and Ebay will make up with the holiday sales..

  • Alwaystomorrow

    The Economic Collapse Blog Has Issued A RED ALERT For The Last Six Months Of 2015.

    Published 6/25/2015.

    33 days until 12/31/2015.

    Lets do a count down until the end of 2015 and see just what happens.

    ——————————————————————————

    By Michael S, on July 31st, 2015.

    “And I kind of appreciate the countdown. It reminds people of my warning, and perhaps it will give some readers a renewed sense of urgency.”

    • filledwithturkey

      Only 3 more days in the month of November and then 31 days for December and it looks like this prediction will go down the memory hole; as they anxiously await the new 2016 predictions that are sure to follow.

      Can’t wait for your 2016 countdown to begin :-)

      • Alwaystomorrow

        I am having a hard time finishing the 2015 countdown. Someone else will have to take over for 2016.

        I will be accepting resumes starting next Monday.

        • SunnyFlaSnotress

          I will carry the torch for you Always :)

          • Jazz

            I will take 2017. They will still be saying a crash is imminent two years from now.

        • countmein

          Mark me down for 2018. Who will take 2019?

      • merrileerj

        Can you count that high?

        • SunnyFlaSnotress

          Your comment is substandard.

    • Jazz

      Yes anyone who follows stock market trends and understands how it all works could see that a stock market crash was not in the cards. The central banks simply wouldn’t allow it.

      Look how Chinese stocks crashed then miraculously recovered once the Chinese gov stepped in. The US wasn’t going to allow its markets to crash and then have to manipulate them back up again. Just prevent them from crashing and problem solved.

      Those waiting for the other shoe to drop will be waiting a long time. No stock market crash in the US for a few years at least.

      • Alwaystomorrow

        Agreed and good to hear.

        I am glad for me and evryone here.

        • Jazz

          Thank you for your contributions here. You actually understand and get it.

          They call us trolls when we disagree with their flawed theories and predictions that never come true. Yet if they listened to me the past three months and followed what I have been saying they could have put a plan in place to actually make money.

          What’s worse, sticking to your theory and constantly losing money and missing opportunities? Or admitting your timing was wrong and coming up with a plan to profit from the hand being dealt?

          I agree that there will eventually be a stock market crash but in the mean time I have been long the dollar, short the Euro, long select US companies (big tech and companies who mostly do business domestically with strong balance sheets), shorting commodities including oil and gold, but still have lots of cash, physical metals, and other real assets. I have more than doubled my assets and financial position in 2015.

          This site should focus more on solutions than whining about how bad things are and how horrible it’s going to be. What are you going to do about it?

          Sorry for the rant, but God gave us a brain. Instead of waiting for the other shoe to drop, we should be proactively seeking ways to make money and help others no matter what happens in the economy or stock market. He gave us the common sense and ability to prepare for feasts and famines. Are we willing to listen or just assume our position will eventually be right, even if it takes many more years to come to fruition?

          • alan

            I look at Zimbabwe as an example to follow. Back in 2007 their market was up 12,000% in a year, yet they are still there. Not all collapses are catastrophic events most are a slow death and a new systems like the old one evolves and replaces it. Just have to wait and see how this one unfolds.

          • Jazz

            Big difference is Zimbabwe was never a super power nor ever had the world’s reserve currency. They were always a “have not” whereas we have been the world’s leader for decades.

            When you have the most powerful central bank in the world (for better or worse), it allows you to stay in power and prevent the sinking ship from sinking.

            I have admitted that the ship will eventually sink. I also believe it will be a slow death that is already underway. In my estimation it will take several years for us to lose our world leader status and then begin a rapid descent.

      • Malcolm Reynolds

        Look how Chinese stocks crashed then miraculously recovered once the Chinese gov stepped in.
        Ahh, so under your considerable knowledge, there was no effect on the people of china when their central banks devalued their money.
        So, despite what those central bank charts showed, that’s nothing like a crash for the people.

        • Jazz

          Lmao. You have no clue on how economics actually work. US companies who sell overseas are getting crushed by a strong dollar. Less demand for US goods is less demand for US workers to produce those goods.

          On the other hand, a weaker Chinese currency (yuan) makes their goods cheaper which creates more global demand for Chinese goods, which in turn means China needs more labor to make said goods. China devalued its currency, cut rates and are buying Chinese stocks all propping up their markets.

          I can only laugh at your attempts to sound intelligent while belittling me with ill informed economics. You literally have me the laugh of the day. Thank you!

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            You have no clue on how economics actually work

            Coming from the buffoon that repeatedly lauds the current stock market, that means absolutely ZILCH.

            Remember, idiot, you said this “Look how Chinese stocks crashed then miraculously recovered once the Chinese gov stepped in.”

            and I said this

            “so in your considerable knowledge, there was no effect on the people of china when their central banks devalued their money.”

            You’re yammering about exports that are STILL AT RECORD LOWS. Their central bank action fixed NONE of that but I’ll bet 100 dollars the people are still living under a devalued currency.

            You might want to re-think, or actually think, about opening that hole under your nose because it’s not serving you well. Tell me again how you’re a democrat for the little people and support this. LOL!

          • Jazz

            Yeah coming from me (someone making money in 2015) versus someone like you (who just complains about how bad things are). Go keep burying your talents in the ground. We know how that works out.

            I was talking about the Chinese stock market fool and how the Chinese gov stopped the crash by using central bank policies. You just don’t comprehend so I’m not going to keep repeating myself. Go study history, economics, and how stock markets work then you might have half a clue.

            As for politics, I’m about as far to the right as they come so you can go crawl back into the liberal socialist hole you climbed out of.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Yeah coming from me (someone making money in 2015) versus someone like you (who just complains about how bad things are).

            So, in other words you can no longer defend your stupid assertion so you’re going to settle on asserting that I’m a complainer and only you’re making money. I’ll remind the cretin, I’m a rather skilled software developer with 18 years of experience living in Utah (the second Silicon Valley). I remind buffoons like you that you don’t deserve $15/hr to make my burger.

            I’m about as far to the right as they come
            Interesting. Not too many of you imbeciles lauding the Obama economy out there.

            I’ll remind the cretin that the last time I reminded you what a dolt you are, you were lauding this market. You laid out the case for up up up and then tried to claim you are short the market.

            Oh look, you’re all up up up on centrally planned economies as saving collapsing world trade and proclaiming I know nothing. You’re a confused imbecile at best.

          • Jazz

            Lmao. You are clueless. My point was China stopped their markets from crashing and that US markets won’t crash. I never conceded anything just that you obviously don’t understand capital flows, economics, and how stock markets work so it’s not worth going back and forth considering I’m the one who repeatedly said 2015 would be just like 2011.

            I called the August low and quick rebound despite all the whack jobs like you saying the markets would have crashed by now. Stick to software because finance isn’t your strong suit.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Not sure why you feel the need to keep re-writing what you said. It was wrong the first time and it still is. They’ve stopped nothing and you can’t prove they have. So you as a far righty are gonna educate me on all those fabulous successes of centrally planned economies while telling me I know nothing. Thanks for playing buffoon.

          • Jazz

            Lmao. You socialists are all the same. It all works well until we run out of other peoples’ money. While my capitalism keeps me a millionaire you can go move back in with your parents after you run out of money or collect welfare.

            It’s people like you that are ruining our country with their pessimism and lack of contribution to society. You provide no real use to our society so that is why you get paid so poorly. Figure out a way to provide value and then maybe your outlook will change. I just feel sorry for you.

            Look at the glass as half full and maybe then you can see we STILL live in the greatest country in the world and the best days are still ahead.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Lmao. You socialists are all the same

            Said the buffoon extolling central banking and getting beaten about the head and shoulders for it.

            While my capitalism keeps me a millionaire you can go move back in with your parents after you run out of money or collect welfare.

            mmm, nah. Central banking isn’t capitalism and millionaires aren’t braggarts unless their the thieving scumbag kind. You must be a trumpster.

            Yea, you’re one confused schmuck.

          • Jazz

            Don’t fight the fed and you make lots of money. I have no problem with that. I never said I agree with the Feds policies. I just know how to profit from those policies and know that they will do any and everything to prevent a market collapse.

            Though I live in a gated community and enjoy most of life’s luxury’s I’m not a braggy kind of person like Trump. He knows how to make money and there’s no arguing with that fact.

            Look you and I clearly don’t see eye to eye. Just because I’m right doesn’t mean you have to get mad. Go back to your Hillary rally and failed economic theories and everything will be okay. Some day you will get a clue. Until then I’m not going to respond to your trolling comments.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Don’t fight the fed and you make lots of money I have no problem with that. I never said I agree with the Feds policies.

            I completely agree with the feds policies that make me lots of money. I never said I agree with the feds policies.

            brbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbbrbrbbrbrbr The contradictions and lack of self awareness astound and while you somehow managed to surmise I’m a socialist based on nothing other than you’re dumber than a bag of hammers and unable to defend your stupid opinions, Hillary is on YOUR side in the fed issue buffoon. You know, the policies that are failing all around us.
            See ya, but I’ll continue trolling you if for no other reason that to pull the idiot out for all to see. Yikes did I do that.

    • Malcolm Reynolds

      Alwaystomorrow has issued a RED ALERT for as long as he posts.

      Published 10/7/2015
      “I look at things probably to simple. ”

      “I am not very smart …Yes I loose when markets go up”

      “I told you I am simple ”

      Published 10/5/2015
      “My posts are annoying, irritating, childish….”

      I have no idea what a collapse even looks like because I saw a mall parking lot that was full, but by golly, I’m going to mock and harass the people here because, although I admit I’m a cretin, I know this author is wrong despite the VAST number of links, quotes and charts provided indicating otherwise.

      And if he bans me for the harassment … again, I’ll surely whine like a little girl that wants her dolly … again.

      —————-
      Let’s all congratulate always because, even the village idiot needs a pat on the head every now and then.

      • Alwaystomorrow

        If I am not mistaken, you being online is a violation of your parole conditions.

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          Nonsense. The judge totally sentenced me to 40 days and 40 nights of mocking imbeciles.

    • Niatross

      I don’t like you.

  • Cyber Revengeance

    happy thanksgiving

  • SunnyFlaSnotress

    Michael’s wife is cute! :)

    • Alwaystomorrow

      I like the paneling backdrop.

      Nothing says “class” like paneling.

      • Malcolm Reynolds

        Even better, nothing says class like admitting you’re low info and then telling someone else their wrong REPEATEDLY.

        And in this case, the low info cretin has no clue what that woman is standing in front of and screeched “CLASS” anyway.

        Somebody has no clue what wainscoting is. Hint: even the snobbiest of rich people use it. It’s called paneling.

        • SunnyFlaSnotress

          If that were wainscoting it wouldn’t be full height.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Please ignore that I never said it did. Please ignore your master’s use of the word paneling and my citing of rich snobs using it. Please ignore that you have no clue what that person is standing in front of.

          • SunnyFlaSnotress

            Please, never become a train conductor. Your logic is off rail.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            No, I think you just lack the ability to comprehend English that makes you look dumber than first indications give. It’s like a defense mechanism with you cretins.
            “I don’t understand so I’ll substitute claims that you made no sense”
            Yea, I say you should stick with that one.

        • Alwaystomorrow

          Come on. Admit it. You had her over to your 12 X 50 trailer for that photo shoot.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Nah, I had her, ‘her’ being my wife, in my 7 seat hot tub. No photos though since it produces quite the foggy cloud over the tub in winter and since it’s snowing out….
            I bet you don’t know pervert. I showed her my gun collection. Don’t worry, she showed me hers too.

          • Alwaystomorrow

            So “she” had a pistol to show you?

            Why am I not surprised.

  • jhowell882

    probably was black Friday for the business and red Friday for the buyers as they charged up the credit cards and will put up with the 20% interest rates. by the end of January nobody will care about all that crap they bought and will still be paying for next thanksgiving. ahh america is great !!

  • chilller

    Our only gift this year will be flying our daughter from college to home so we can all be together over the holidays.

    • Philosopher

      There is only one real gift, the gift of time. Priceless.

      • SunnyFlaSnotress

        Make that Quality Time.

      • Jacynthia Read

        The gift of time spent with family and friends. Let us not forget what Christmas really means.

  • Imaplaneiac

    Another reason why people lack money to BLOW on Black Friday is because the Dictators and Community Dis-organizer in DC, that is, the District of Criminals, have MANDATED that they purchase so called ” health ” insurance – or PAY Uncle SCAM a hefty fine!

    • Jacynthia Read

      Our insurance was provided by our employer. Now it costs $400 every two weeks. That’s $800 we didn’t use to have to pay.

  • rentslave

    Against the backdrop is the 2017 opening of American Dream in the NJ Meadowlands.It should be a roaring success.

  • rentslave

    Also,I would remind you that Hal Turner called this on his radio show Wednesday.

  • Vic Gambardella

    I dont know about u guys on the other side of the planet but our xmas trees are allready on 50% off sales. Actually i have never seen so many things on sale leading up to xmas before. Its still good for the consumer here in australia FOR NOW………
    even our boxing day sales are now really just another excuse to get to shops on your day off work…

    • Jacynthia Read

      It wasn’t good here in North Alabama either. Christmas trees are $50 and up for a live tree. Artificial ones are are about $200 and up.

  • amoneygame

    I am still waiting for the November 2015 crash that was discussed several weeks ago.

    • Alwaystomorrow

      I believe you may have misunderstood.

      I believe Michael said it would definitely, positively, more likely than not possibly have a chance of affecting certain groups of some people in various locations throughout certain scattered remote parts of most of the industrialized world at some point during the last six months of 2015. Hence the “RED ALERT.”

  • dlewenz

    Michael contuse to demonstrate future moving trends. I have a feeling that China will be the chain link that fails first, which will cause the global implosion. With commodity prices still falling, and China is a 50% plus consumer of commodities one can understand how bad it really is in China. If you look at the China debt leverage of manufacturing companies, local muni-debt, coupled with real estate, China’s debt is 282% of GDP, While USA debt level is 332% of GDP. But the unwinding will take place hand in hand, as all central banks are now interconnected. This is the largest bubble we have ever had. When the bubble explodes it will have atomic, effect across the globe.

  • Steeve Girard

    What more do you need to understand that we are in a commodity crash! Consumer goods that uses them have not sold. Therefore, the warehouses are just piling up with no one to buy, and when they do try… the price they demand is so low, that the sellers just says no, in hopes to get a better price. And nothing then moves. I told you so a couple of articles ago. This Black Friday sales have been abysmal. And so will the Christmas/Yule sales.

    • Jazz

      Target just reported record Black Friday sales. People are simply changing their shopping preferences to online and department stores rather than traditional malls. This will be a good shopping season. You watch

      • Steeve Girard

        Yes exactly… they took the efficient way to buy… which causes, the current retail collapse. And I must say that is a rightful and judicious choice.

      • Gay Veteran

        yeah, keep whistling past that graveyard.

        The Last Two Times Retail Sales Were This Bad, The US Was In A Recession

        “…the picture is clearest when excluding the debt bubble-funded auto-spending spree. When one excludes autos, what we find is that the last two times retail sales were this weak, The US was already in recession.”

        • samurai sword

          Very true.

          I visit several economic/financial blogs regularly, and there seem to be two kinds of optimists out there: Guarded optimists, who acknowledge the ongoing collapse but look for signs of recovery; and irrational optimists, who think we are in a recovery already.

          This blog is no different.

          • Steeve Girard

            Dude you know your stuff!

      • samurai sword

        Target’s report included online sales only, not purchases at its brick-and-mortar outfits.

        In contrast, SunTrust retail analysts have already reported Black Friday to have been a “bust,” with major retailers throughout the New York metro area, New England, and the Southeast indicating disappointing sales across the board.

        No surprises here. Consumers are tapped out. With mounting personal debts, incomes in decline, and expectations of higher healthcare costs on the horizon, there is only so much economic activity you can stimulate with an open credit spigot.

        This may still be a good shopping season, but for all the wrong reasons.

        • Jazz

          We shall see when the numbers come out. I don’t believe the lying media one bit. The smart money is on this being a robust Christmas shopping season. Who cares if it’s online or at the mall? Money spent is money spent. That is why I invest in strong US retail companies who have significant online revenues.

          • Steeve Girard

            What the economy cares is how many hands have their share in the transactions chains. If people decides to be efficient and bypass the traditional shipping line, to have less people involved, they cause problems to the economy. Plain and simple.

          • Jazz

            It’s a new economy and we will never go back to the old one. That is the problem with many on this blog. You can’t compare apples and oranges. You either change or become obsolete. Companies and those who are game changers are prospering in this economy. Revolutions leave many industries and people who refuse to adapt behind!

          • Steeve Girard

            Damn auto censor… this post may be duplicated.
            Yes, it is a new economy. It will cause shrinkages (in the primary, secondary and especially in the tertiary sector) , like the mechanization did (primary sector) and the automation of the fabrication process (primary and secondary sectors). Both “big changes” have caused people to find themselves out of a job, pushing people up the job scale. Farmers became workers. Workers became salespeople. Now if we are talking of a “big change” the scale of the past ones? Where the people will find jobs? Will we have a huge wave of IT specialists and mechanics (Quaternary sector))? I doubt that the average human brain can allow for such “upward” evolution. Eventually you will cause people to be opt out of the system. And opt out people, do not work, do not have money, and do not buy.

          • samurai sword

            You don’t believe the lying media except when they report on Target’s awesome sales. For the record, I got my information from Investment Research Dynamics, a well-known contrarian financial website. Hardly mainstream.

            The retail collapse has just begun. It will quicken over the coming months, as spending hits a wall. Businesses are lowering their estimated tax payments because activity is slowing. In September The Fed released its Consumer Expectations survey, which showed a continued decline in consumer income and spending expectations. The Empire Fed manufacturing survey fell deeper into negative territory. And on and on it goes

            When high paying, value-added jobs are outsourced and replaced with mostly nontradable domestic service jobs (many of which are part time, with no benefits), income dries up and discretionary spending is curtailed. This spells disaster for a nation the GDP of which is 70% consumer spending. What about that don’t you understand?

            The smart money left the Casino long ago. They knew it was simply a matter of time before they ended up losing all of their chips, like the clients of MF Global. And those investors thought they could read the signs and get out safely, just as you do. As P.T. Barnum once said, there’s a sucker born every minute.

          • Jazz

            Lol. At least you are good for laughs. The consumer is strong and so is sentiment. It will be a blissful time for retailers this season. No recession in sight and economic news will start looking more promising soon.

          • samurai sword

            Right. And pigs fly.

            At some point we realists have to acknowledge that, in spite of efforts to alert the sheep, there comes a time when we just have to allow them to be sheared. It seems to be what they want…until, of course, they get it.

            There are a number of websites out there that offer excellent commentary on and analysis of our dreadful economic condition. Zero Hedge is one of them, as is ShadowStats and Of Two Minds, to name a few. Check them out sometime. I would encourage you to get beyond the stale propaganda points you mindlessly repeat and start to think for yourself.

            And who knows, maybe the truth will get to you before the shearers do.

          • samurai sword

            Feeling stupid yet? Black Friday retail spending in 2015 is down a whopping 11% from last year. This in spite of major retail outlets opening earlier than ever to accommodate all those wealthy consumers you keep conjuring up.

            Got the info from the propaganda mills called the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal. (Btw, similar reports are streaming in from the more reliable independent press/alternative media). If there were an iota of encouraging news to report, these establishment rags would have made it front page news.

            Not sure what happened to those “strong numbers” you saw earlier. My guess is that you conjured those up, too.

            Back in line, sheep!

          • Jazz

            From targets website “Record setting online sales and strong in-store traffic mark start of Target’s holiday season”. I take my news from the horse’s mouth or alternative media. I’m seeing strong numbers coming in. Looking good folks. The economy is still strong!

          • http://www.mindbodygreen.com Kim

            Crash and burn. Total [black friday] retail sales down 10% despite rise in online purchases.

      • MaxRockatansky33

        Black Friday. A day for stupid people which buys things that they don’t need. Pure consumptionism and hoarding.

  • Kent Harris

    Walmart and Target that I visited were not at all busy. At Walmart I just walked up to the self checkout without even waiting.

    • SunnyFlaSnotress

      I’ve grown to like Walmart dotcom. Let em bring it to my door.

  • mister_roboto

    Totals from online sales should also be factored into any such evaluation. I like to do at least some Xmas shopping online because it can be very time-consuming to get around in a major city on public transit the way I do.

    • Alwaystomorrow

      Except for food, I do almost ALL my purchasing online. Efficient and convenient.

      There is also the bonus of not having to deal with people. You know, people like that guy Alwaystomorrow. :-)

  • smooze

    My wife and I went “shopping” as a last minute gesture. Went to Target before closing and there were many TVs still sitting around. Even the new fangled 4K UHD tvs were sitting around. Same with Walmart. Whole crates of TVs with the plastic wrapping still on and people just milling around. But thats not to say earlier in the day it wasn’t crazy.

  • DJohn1

    I don’t know where you get it as a bust.
    I ran an errand yesterday and parking lots were overflowing with people willing to shop on Thanksgiving.
    It took me 20 minutes to get across the bridge over the I75.
    The entire parking lot was full in the shopping center beyond and the one on the other side of the street.
    Somebody is making a lot of money.
    I did notice the abundance of junk merchandise. Defined as junk because that is what it is. Second and third grade merchandise that will break within the year. TVs have names. Usually the manufacturer’s name. And people were loading 55 inch TVs all over the place.
    What they did not seem to know was the country of origin was China.
    And in China most electronics have capacitors. Those capacitors come from a little known Chinese company and they are defective.
    So any electronics coming from China needs to be scrutinized very closely. Because every motherboard on every TV out there coming from China is suspect.
    Only because the capacitors burn out within a year.
    As far as I know, our government has not gone after any of them.

    • Jazz

      All the malls in the Atlanta area have been packed this Christmas season. Cheery shoppers buying lots of goodies. I think we will be pleasantly surprised by the robust retail shopping numbers when they are posted.

      • HeyAHuman

        Lol, you’re going to eat those words.

        • Jazz

          Thank you Mr Troll. Your comments were helpful. My assets have more than doubled in 2015. How have yours done? This has allowed me to fund church missions,help a gentleman who’s daughter is dealing with drug addiction, helped a few friends start businesses, etc etc. be a part of the solution not the problem!

          • GoldenGirl

            And that is the reason some of us try to maximize our income through investments. Nicely done, Jazz.

          • Jazz

            Thank you! I can’t wait for Socrates to come out. My hope is I can do better in 2016 and help more people!

          • GoldenGirl

            Me, too. Hopefully Socrates will launch soon. It’s going to get trickier in the next couple of years and I will need all the help I can get!

          • Jacynthia Read

            I’m glad for you, but that isn’t the case for many. Many people don’t have funds to invest.

          • HeyAHuman

            Hah, wow Mr. Jazz! I bow to your excellence!

            It really takes nothing for you to display masturbatory narcissism. Get over yourself.

          • samurai sword

            “Jazz” and his sidekick “recovery” are but two of the many disinformation trolls infesting the financial blogosphere, like maggots on rotting meat. Whereas Michael supports his statements about our dying economy by linking to reputable news sites or providing other documentation, these two losers just perform the same “economy is thriving” trick over and over, like a couple of trained seals. They never engage in serious debate, although they have plenty of opportunity to do so.

            It’s generally a good idea not to feed trolls, but many of us enjoy egging them on, watching them makes fools of themselves. Their clumsy attempts to promote establishment lies or brag about their “wealth” is always good for a laugh.

          • HeyAHuman

            You’ve got that right. It’s as though this “Jazz” guy is projecting his fantasy self – the self that he wishes he was. And when he brags about his ridiculous “wealth”, he always makes sure to back it with charitable ventures that he just pulled out of his @ss in an attempt to not sound like a bragging jerk. He’ll even say “folks!” or “people!” while having a one-on-one convo, as if he’s trying to summon the community’s support in an argument.

            A good laugh, indeed.

          • samurai sword

            Absolutely. Every time that cuckoo starts warbling about “robust retail shopping numbers” or his latest stock market conquest, I just about bust a gut.

            Judging by his comments, you’d think you were listening to another Warren Buffett.

            As a wise man once said about another poseur: “he’s a self-made man, and worships his creator.”

            Lol!

          • Grumpy Pete

            You sure have a lot of feedback for an imbecile. Though I do agree that jazz is full of herself. Kind of like you tho

          • HeyAHuman

            If you really are a charitable person, and not just talking out of your rear end, then why would you look for any excuse to brag about it here? All I did was challenge your prediction, and you go full-blown narcissist. You’re a fraud. There, maybe this one won’t get deleted lol.

        • Grumpy Pete

          Wish you would eat some stuffing and stuff up that pie hole of yours.

        • samurai sword

          He should, but he won’t. (Retail analysts are reporting a 10-11% decline in Black Friday spending, and that’s typically the biggest shopping day of the year.) You’d have better luck getting blood from a turnip.

          Wonder what the excuse will be this time. Bad weather? Mass cases of food poisoning? People getting lost on the way to the mall?

          Will CNN do an honest report on financially-strapped, middle-class consumers, who have no more money to spend on crap they don’t need?

          Don’t count on it.

        • Grumpy Pete

          You apparently eat too much. Time to go on Jared’s subway diet. Oh wait he’s in jail

      • MaxRockatansky33

        Cheery hoarders buying things that they don’t need. Food getting wasted because we buy too much. People becoming more fat, lazy and dumb. I wonder when we’ll hit a breaking point?

        • Grumpy Pete

          Bah humbug. You are 2 parts Grinch and 1 part Scrooge. You cold blooded yap. Y’all thought I was grumpy? This dude wins the ribbon.

          • MaxRockatansky33

            Scrooge and grinch resembles a typical fat capitalist parasite like Rockefeller or Rotschild. Meanwhile the Society resembles fat, stupid and lazy consumptionists.

      • Grumpy Pete

        Hey woman, who cares about Atlanta? It’s a cess pool

        • Alwaystomorrow

          Ho Ho Ho. Merry Christmas to you too. :-)

          • Grumpy Pete

            Oh here we go with the peanut gallery. You are probably shacking up with that jazz chick as you two seem to run in the same circle. Just an observation. Go get a life and leave me alone

          • Alwaystomorrow

            Thanks for the compliment.

    • Steeve Girard

      Of course they are still at it… making stuff with a fixed lifespan. That is how they solved the post war crisis. That includes also housing. Before WWII, stuff could last an “eternity” and was easy to repair. Now try to find a home built that can last more than 25 years without major to critical repairs?

    • Grumpy Pete

      Yeah yeah. China is to blame for everything. If you can’t beat em join em. Them Chinese cook some of the best food so why not trust them with everything else? Look if they want to do stuff for 49 cents an hour I say let em at it. Made in China is fine by Pete

      • DJohn1

        Everything depends on a product’s name as to whether someone will of their own free will decide to buy it. If they want return sales, that means the product has to have a good name with customers.
        We all vote with our wallet in the market place. What is happening as they produce junk for that 49 cents an hour is they get a bad reputation.
        If I get stung with a product being worthless, I no longer buy that name brand no matter what it is.
        I quit buying from Detroit vehicles years ago for that reason. My own personal record of repairs was too high.
        I am not alone in this response.
        How do you go broke producing stuff at 49 cents an hour? Just produce cheap junk that no one will buy again.

  • alan

    We need every Friday to be a black Friday. I am sure more is better.

    • Grumpy Pete

      Less words from you would be better

      • HeyAHuman

        *Fewer words

        • Grumpy Pete

          Coming from the biggest ignoramus on the planet. You bore me

  • Grumpy Pete

    Thank you for your history lessons. NOT!!! Professor I don’t think anyone signed up for your lame class. There is an opening at some liberal college. Go teach there!

  • Grumpy Pete

    You must be friends with the Professor. We don’t need no stinking lessons and rants on your horse Malachi. You are a crazy fool. Go babble elsewhere

  • df NJ

    I find it really amazing the people on this blog always criticize the general masses as being the source of all our problems. As if millions of people are going to lose their excess weight, save their money, get college degrees, and live perfectly moral lives. And then the general masses are going all coordinate one thought under Jesus to overthrow the evil liberal politicians who have destroyed our country. I’m here to tell you its probably not going to happen.

    What we need in this country is good leadership to inspire the people to be more than complacent banality. But all we will get is do-nothing politicians who only want to preserve the power of the status quo.

    google “charles tobin the saboteur moron millions video”. This movie was made in 1942. The truth is the Nazis won WWII and took over the US government. Listen to Robert Cummings character’s criticism of Charles Tobin. He is describing our present US government to a T. And listen to Charles Tobin response. The Charles Tobins of the world OWN the US government. I don’t think Jesus is more powerful than the Charles Tobins. Whoever counts the votes determines the election results. Life is tough just suck it.

  • Grumpy Pete

    Your lack of intelligence reminds me of porky pig

    • https://youtu.be/cPaX3RahUqQ The Professor

      Sticks and stones may break my bones

      Meaning: A response to an insult, implying that “You might be hurt able to hurt me by physical force but not by insults”.

      Origin: ‘Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me’ is a stock response to verbal bullying in school playgrounds throughout the English-speaking world. It sounds a little antiquated these days and has no doubt been superseded by more streetwise comebacks.

      The earliest citation of it that I can find is from an American periodical with a largely black audience, The Christian Recorder, March 1862: Remember the old adage, ‘Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never harm me’. True courage consists in doing what is right, despite the jeers and sneers of our companions. That reference to the expression as an ‘old adage’ in 1862 suggests and earlier coinage.

      • Grumpy Pete

        Wow your good at cutting and pasting. No original thought. Just what I expect from today’s professors.

  • Christian Man

    I am spending every spare cent on building and increasing my alternative energy capabilities.

    • Grumpy Pete

      Wow another freak going “off the grid”. Congrats and good riddance!

      • Christian Man

        I have been off the grid a long time. You are a bitter person to call anyone who lives in the middle of nowhere a freak for wanting to have power. I work from home (I have dsl here.) I homesteaded this place over a decade ago, and have commercial power as well. I treat that like my generator and only use it to keep batteries well-charged when there is no sun. I live in New Mexico so have a lot of sun all the time except for brief periods of bad weather. I am also an engineer so all this is simple to build but like everyone else money is always a limiting factor for me. I don’t know who you are Grumpy Pete but you need an attitude adjustment. I hope you get it the less painful way.

    • Philosopher

      Smart.

  • http://www.mindbodygreen.com Kim

    Black Friday epic fail

    • Jazz

      I still say we will see solid numbers. US markets should be up BIG next week. Can’t wait to see certain people proven wrong by the good numbers. The American consumer is alive and well!

      • http://www.mindbodygreen.com Kim

        Haha maybe they need to tweek and triple-seasonally adjust the numbers? Haha.

        The age of consumerism is coming to a close and that’s good news for people and families!!! Not good news for corrupted corporations seeking to strip the middle class of its last remaining pennies.

        Not only is the consumer tapped out and strapped for cash as he is held hostage by a corrupted health care industry racket, there isn’t anything worth spending money on!!! No one needs another iPhone or flat screen television!! No one wants it.

        Something not mentioned in the article is that prices for this year’s selection of crap are even LOWER than they were this time last year ever decreasing profit margins into the negative and it’s STILL sitting on the shelves collecting dust.

        There will be no interest rate increase in December. One word: China.

        • Jazz

          Hmm Jazz was right AGAIN “Wal-Mart Stores (NYSE: WMT), Target (NYSE: TGT), Amazon (NASDAQ: AMZN) — These and other retailers will be stocks to watch today, with the National Retail Federation saying U.S. holiday shopping is on track for a 3.7 percent rise this year. That’s been largely boosted by online sales.” Sales coming in ABOVE last year’s numbers and better than expected.

          • Watchman

            And you believe the mainstream media? No wonder you are the King of buffoons.

            By the way read the article above and try and present some real counterpoints to it troll. Now crawl back into that troll hole you call a lair.

          • samurai sword

            Online sales account for roughly 6% of total retail sales. That’s why, despite a $150 million dollar boost this year over last, online purchasing couldn’t make up for lackluster sales overall during the Black Friday weekend.

            This was completely predictable for those of us who aren’t ostriches.

            The National Retail Federation is also on record blaming disappointing sales growth this year on “stagnant wages” and “sluggish job growth.” Funny you didn’t mention that. And I thought we were in a recovery.

            The Fed has an iron floor underneath Amazon, Google, Disney, Facebook, and Netflix. These stocks keep the indices of the Dow and S&P pointed upwards. Shares of Macy’s, Nordstrom, Advance Auto Parts and Dillard’s recently tanked after earnings reports. They won’t be the last.

            You may be right about a lot of things, but having the correct view of our nation’s economic health isn’t one of them.

          • http://www.mindbodygreen.com Kim

            Well I guess we will starting spending what cash we have when NIRP arrives.

          • samurai sword

            No kidding. And now that the yuan has been given SDR inclusion at a ranking above the yen and the pound, the writing is on the wall for King dollar.

            Enjoy your Christmas. It may be the last “normal” yuletide we’ll experience in our lifetime.

          • http://www.mindbodygreen.com Kim

            Not true. It’s dismal. It’s so dismal that that NRF refuses to even compare the numbers to last year’s. In fact no one really knows what the NRF’s official spin on these terrible retails sales numbers is. Sad trombones for the retailers. Even online sales won’t save them. The average “consumer” spent $299 per person. A huge decline from 2014 and 2013. Sorry.

            But it isn’t necessarily bad news. Just think of it this way: these corporate boobs are losing their grip on us; people are not defining themselves consumers anymor but are people, and people are rejecting the cheap crap becoming less and less materialistic. And that’s a good thing!!! I think the horrible retail figures for this year is a very good sign for families- they are finally rejecting materialism. :-)))))). GO AMERICA!!

      • DB200

        Jazz, could you tell me in what parallel universe you are living? Or are you a socalled one percenter? Everyone has the right of his own opinion, of course, I’m just curious on what facts you have based your bold statements.

        • Watchman

          Jazz aka Zazz lives in a world called Trolltopia. He has been inhabiting this world for many years now and is found under many different nicknames including Zazz.

  • Philosopher

    When making a large purchase the last place I look for a deal is in Black Friday. Just pathetic marketing gimmickry.

  • FortuneSeek3rz

    Another week has come and gone and the United States economy didn’t collapse and the dollar continues to get stronger.

    There are two things we know from people cheering for a collapse: A) there is no perfect price for a gallon of gas B) there is no consumer behavior that doesn’t point to Armageddon.

    Newsflash for those who haven’t figured it out- the U.S. economy cannot and will not collapse within the life times of anyone reading this post. If you want to see a collapse research Venezuela, Greece or Syria. That is what a collapse looks like. Not people sitting around their 50″ HD televisions gorging on turkey and dressing and watching NFL football.

  • Vern

    So are we REALLY to believe we will “spend an average of $130 on “self-gifting” and more than $800 on the holiday season”? Or is this just some junk-journalism propaganda to guilt us into spending “like the Joneses” on crap from China. Will the writers of these blogs please stop repeating the government/AP press release propaganda and get back to doing your own research and reporting.

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