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Is The United States About To Bomb North Korea? The White House Says ‘The Clock Has Now Run Out’

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I got chills when I saw a CNN report that said that a White House official has just warned that “the clock has now run out” on North Korea’s nuclear program and that “all options are on the table”.  That second phrase has been repeatedly used by members of the Trump administration in recent days, and everyone knows what it means.  When I wrote that a conflict with North Korea could be “Trump’s first war” last month, I was still hoping that cooler heads would prevail and that a military conflict could be avoided.  Unfortunately, it appears that a peaceful solution is not in the cards, and that means that the United States may soon start bombing North Korea.  And of course if that happens the North Koreans will strike back with whatever they can, and that includes nuclear weapons.

I don’t know if I have the words to effectively communicate how serious this situation could become.  We have gotten to the point where the White House is openly talking of going to war with a nuclear power

A senior White House official issued a dire warning to reporters Tuesday on the state of North Korea’s nuclear program, declaring “the clock has now run out and all options are on the table.”

“The clock has now run out, and all options are on the table,” the official said, pointing to the failure of successive administration’s efforts to negotiate an end to North Korea’s nuclear program.

Later this week, President Trump is going to meet with Chinese President Xi Jinping in Florida.  The eyes of the entire world will be on this summit, because everyone knows that Trump is going to press the Chinese leader for help on resolving the crisis with North Korea.

But what can China actually do?

The Chinese could cut off trade with North Korea, and that would definitely hurt, but North Korean leader Kim Jong Un appears to have become convinced that long range nuclear missiles are the key to the survival of his regime, and so he will never give up his nuclear program.

And the Chinese will certainly not strike North Korea militarily, and so ultimately if something is going to be done to stop North Korea from getting long range nuclear missiles it will be up to the United States.

On Tuesday morning, North Korea once again showed their defiance by firing yet another test missile into the Sea of Japan

The missile was fired from the Sinpo region at 10.40pm GMT (6.10am local time) on the communist nation’s east coast and landed into the sea off the Korean peninsula, South Korean military officials confirmed.

The rocket is believed to have flown around 37 miles before crashing into the sea. Specific details about the type of projectile were not immediately available.

Kim Jong Un conducted more missile tests in 2016 than his father did in nearly two decades.

It has become crystal clear that North Korea is not going to back down.

President Trump is still hoping that China will step up to the plate, but if the Chinese don’t he has already stated that the United States is fully prepared to “act alone”.  In fact, he made headlines all over the planet when he told the Financial Times the following: “Well if China is not going to solve North Korea, we will. That is all I am telling you.”

It doesn’t take much imagination to figure out what Trump is saying there.

Previous administrations have tried sanctions and negotiations for decades, and they all failed.

In the end, Trump is going to be faced with a choice whether to bomb North Korea or not, and four-star general Jack Keane says that bombing North Korea “may be the only option left”

A four-star general with close ties to Donald Trump has warned that military strikes are ‘rapidly’ becoming the only solution to North Korea’s nuclear program.

Jack Keane, who declined the President’s offer to become Defense Secretary last year, said bombing Kim Jong-un’s nuclear facilities ‘may be the only option left.’

But bombing North Korea is not like bombing Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya or Syria.

The North Koreans already have nuclear weapons, and the U.S. better destroy them all in an overwhelming initial assault, because Kim Jong Un will use any that survive to strike back.

If you doubt this, just consider what a very high level North Korean defector just told Lester Holt of NBC News

A senior North Korean defector has told NBC News that the country’s “desperate” dictator is prepared to use nuclear weapons to strike the United States and its allies.

Thae Yong Ho is the most high profile North Korean defector in two decades, meaning he is able to give a rare insight into the secretive, authoritarian regime.

According to Thae, North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un is “desperate in maintaining his rule by relying on his [development of] nuclear weapons and ICBM.” He was using an acronym for intercontinental ballistic missiles — a long range rocket that in theory would be capable of hitting the U.S.

North Korea is currently developing an intercontinental ballistic missile known as the “Taepodong 2” that will have a range of approximately 8000 kilometers.

In other words, it would be capable of striking cities in the western portion of the United States.

It is unthinkable that we would allow a tyrannical leader that is literally insane and that is obsessed with destroying the United States to have such a weapon.

But the moment that we start dropping bombs on North Korea we will start a war in which millions could die.  Whatever nuclear weapons are missed in the first assault will likely be fired at U.S. military bases in Japan or at South Korea’s capital city of Seoul.  Approximately 10 million people live in Seoul, so the death toll would be absolutely enormous.  And even if all North Korean nuclear devices are destroyed by the first attack, the North Koreans still have thousands of artillery guns and rocket launchers trained on Seoul, and they would not hesitate to use their vast stockpile of chemical warheads.

After the initial North Korean barrage, the fourth largest military on the entire planet would start pouring across the border in a massive invasion of South Korea.  The U.S. military would be forced to respond with large scale ground forces if South Korea would have any chance of surviving, and just like in the first Korean War the Chinese may decide to respond to that move by committing their own troops to the war on the side of North Korea.

This is a season of “wars and rumors of wars”, and most Americans have no idea how dangerously close we are to the beginning of World War III.  My hope is that a peaceful way out of this crisis can still be found, but at this point that is becoming increasingly difficult to imagine.

If Donald Trump decides to go to war with North Korea, he needs to hit them with an absolutely overwhelming first strike that takes out every single North Korean nuke, the bulk of North Korea’s artillery and rockets, and the entire North Korean leadership team within the first few minutes of the attack.

It is hard to imagine a scenario that does not involve nukes that would accomplish that.

And Donald Trump better get the public approval of South Korean and Japanese leadership before ever attempting such an attack, because they will likely pay the highest price if North Korea is able to strike back.

If South Korea or Japan balk at backing such an operation and then they get hit by North Korean nukes, the United States could lose them as friends and allies forever.

The stakes are incredibly high, and there are so many things that could go wrong.

So let us pray for peace, because the alternative is almost too horrible to imagine.

 
  • RandPaul

    What else are you supposed to do? Trump is meeting with the Chinese President…and will negotiate on how to handle this little fat piece of you know what. This mess should have been dealt with years ago. Either you take him out now, or sit back and wait for him to figure out how to touch one off either here in the USA or Japan. So…that being said…finally we have a President that will handle things. We did not start this. We will have China and Russia on our side.

    • For more than half a century, Washington has contributed to the political isolation and impoverishment of North Korea. Moreover, US sponsored sanctions on Pyongyang have contributed to destabilizing the country’s economy.

      North Korea has been portrayed as part of an “axis of evil”. For what?

      The unspoken victim of US military aggression, the DPRK is portrayed as a failed war-mongering “Rogue State”, a “State sponsor of terrorism” and a “threat to World peace”. These stylized accusations become part of a consensus, which we dare not question. The Lie becomes the Truth. North Korea is heralded as a threat. America is not the aggressor but “the victim”.

      Washington’s intent from the very outset was to destroy North Korea and demonize an entire population. The US has also stood in the way of the reunification of North and South Korea.

      • Let us make it very clear here for western readers. North Korea was virtually totally destroyed during the “Korean War.” U.S. General Douglas MacArthur’s architect for the criminal air campaign was Strategic Air Command head General Curtis LeMay who had proudly conducted the earlier March 10 – August 15, 1945 continuous incendiary bombings of Japan that had destroyed 63 major cities and murdered a million citizens. (The deadly Atomic bombings actually killed far fewer people.).

        • RandPaul

          So your point is???? Kim…is not going to stop…..so we will stop him. Trump is in now….

          • socalbeachdude

            Trump is going to be under impeachment soon if he doesn’t get his act together.

          • gfmucci

            He has become more “presidential” than socialist Muslim B. Hussein Obama, alias “give away our nation” ever was.

          • Steve Carnes

            As long as you’re speaking of “alias”– Barry Soetoro

          • Chridogsr

            Let me see So Trump steps all on our Constitution and it’s OK with you because it leans to you belif for now that is. Coward to Puntin. That’s OK with you as well because as well that cater you your belief for now!

          • jgibbsphd

            Please cite the sections and verse of the Constitution Pres Trump has violated and how he has violated these.

            You have made an accusation of unlawful violations, so please support those accusations against the Pres.

          • Chridogsr

            He cant bit he’s tries. How about askin FEDS to Martial Law Chicago, and Ban Travel because you’re Muslim. No it did pass and wont. Because unlike the Library and The Far right. The Justice system doesn’t for get your intent. So all that talk he was pumping up his base has come back to haunt him… His real intent will for ever stay in his Tweets…. and let me not forget how he feels about stop and Frisk. If it was his way. The country would be a police state. We’re trying to lock ourselves in our own little world… without understanding that the rest of the world will pass us no matter whathe in the Next 20 yrs. Ask Trump himself. Hell tell you… we look 3rd word to the places he’s been. And they’re paid pennies on the dollar…..

          • George Spain

            Not yet he is not. I hope he listens to calmer minds as we the people are sick of our military sicker on nations across the earth. ” The People Know ”
            Banker’s and polititions to the front lines! !!

          • retired22

            stop talking like a damned fool!
            ”Act ‘some what presidential”.
            Where does it say,outside of statements by a shell shocked media,that Presidential Behavior is grounds for impeachment?
            Have you checked & found out what the definition of good or bad Presidential behavior is?

            Are there any statutes on the books about this?

          • GSOB

            If Russia cooked the vote and Mr. Trump or his associates were in on it…. Mrs. Hillary will find her way back into the oval office.

          • retired22

            And what if it were not the Russians,..it was the Swedish Laplanders or Tibetan Monks?
            Get a grip on yourself!

          • GSOB

            I have a grip on the Spirit of Christ.
            Your question is void of any distinction to support a different kind of response.
            It doesn’t matter which country corruption could have landscaped for the US election process.
            The fact of the matter is, Russia is involved. To what extent is Mr. Trump and his peoples are,…..or were…. ?
            Now, ….that is gripping the nation.

          • retired22

            They have been pushing this nonsense for many months now,…if there was anything to it,…If they had any evidence we would know about it by now & Trump would be out.
            Want to know who manipulated Trump into the White House,..it was Hillary Clinton & her E-Mails that drove the winning votes to Trump!

          • GSOB

            Time will tell. Investigations are on going.

          • retired22

            You really are from another Galaxy Far,Far away & long ago!
            Are you Han Solo in disguise?

          • steven454

            I don’t know why the liberals keep talking about impeachment – I think there’s failure to understand that just because you don’t like him doesn’t mean that he’ll be impeached. If Hound-Dog-Bill didn’t get impeached over Monica, Short-Bus-Bush didn’t get impeached over the lies that got us into the gulf wars (like yellow cake uranium, WMDs, etc.), and Ocrappa didn’t get impeached for FastAndFurious, then obviously you have to do something pretty darn serious for impeachment proceedings to actually commence. And EVEN if they do start there’s no guarantee that they will result in removing said president. Honestly – our education system is really dropping the ball on teaching civics.

            Regarding “behaving presidential”: so you LIKE the polished professional career politicians that we’ve been getting lately – hm? You LIKE those smooth talking used-car salesman types? I think that I’m ready for some leaders that are a little rough around the edges but who will actually DO something.

          • autofixer

            The House must bring Articles of Impeachment and the Senate conducts the trial. The Republicans hold the House and Senate so it is not going to happen. That same wishful thinking was prevalent when Barack Hussein Obama was President. I had to explain the process ( which is a political process ) to the those on the Right nearly daily.

        • SHAMWOW

          Hiroshima and Nagasaki the only 2 “Christian Cities” in Japan bombed with atomic weapons. Go figure!

        • socalbeachdude

          True.

        • retired22

          ”Let us make it very clear”
          Actually you are very opaque,even for some dumb kid who lives in a basement playing with computers.
          Do yourself a favor,…stop trying to double talk the grownups & stick with ‘Dungeons & Dragons’ or Nintendo’.
          Much less ridicule that way!

        • GSOB

          By 1948, as a product of the
          Cold War between the Soviet Union and the United States,…. Korea was split into two regions, with separate governments.

        • autofixer

          So we should just let him nuke Tokyo or Honolulu?

      • SHAMWOW

        North Korea doesn’t have a Rothschild Central Bank in it therefore they are terrorists.

        • socalbeachdude

          What utter nonsense. The Federal Reserve has nothing whatsoever to do with the Rothschild family and is owned by is member bank shareholders. Helllooo?

        • Thebadguy

          Neither does China or Russia. Your point the elites are losing there grip they are losing on a lot of fronts the internet is pilling the veil back and they are losing control. the eu will crack very soon.

          • socalbeachdude

            The correct word is “THEIR” not “there” and the EU will survive just fine and continue to be the government for the 504,000,000 people of Europe.

        • “The Korean War that lasted from June 1950 to July 1953 was an enlargement of the 1948-50 struggle of Jeju Islanders to preserve their self-determination from the tyrannical rule of US-supported Rhee and his tiny cadre of wealthy constituents.

          Little known is that the US-imposed division of Korea in 1945 against the wishes of the vast majority of Koreans was the primary cause of the Korean War that broke out five years later. The War destroyed by bombing most cities and villages in Korea north of the 38th Parallel, and many south of it, while killing four million Koreans – three million (one-third) of the north’s residents and one million of those living in the south, in addition to killing one million Chinese.

          This was a staggering international crime still unrecognized that killed five million people and permanently separated 10 million Korean families.”

          • autofixer

            You are nuts or a Ruskie troll.

          • retired22

            A lot of these kids who come on here are as nutty as a fruitcake!

      • retired22

        Is that what your rad/chic professor told you at your underwater basket weaving studies class at
        Whatchamacallit U?

      • Clevey77

        Love what U have said here…and my I add…The lies just keep piling up on the side of the USA Rothschildren Banking cartel elite congressional surrogate counterparts….Like McCain and his cronies, I will not go into here….It looks like the DNA of the war mongers and the certifiable psychopathic inbreeds are out in force without a ball and chain to control their thoughts. I’d like to believe the saber rattling is fiction….but I can see no end in sight….Good commentary on demonizing by fear and control….keep Amerika weak through fear mongering security Jesuit controlled religious secret societies and their power structure of dissemination of the masses. THE WORLD AT WAR….and the lie that is to be believed…..”Truth is non fiction and the lie fiction”……my we all awake from the slumber of mental conditioning. Namaste

        • retired22

          You certainly,…most of the rest of us are already awake!

      • GSOB

        Please provide source for the part “The US has also stood in the way of the reunification of North and South Korea”
        Thank You.

        It was NK that invaded SK, that started the Korean War,

    • socalbeachdude

      What utter nonsense. And the Real Rand Paul is totally against militarism and wars.

      • Thebadguy

        Only nonsense to those with little Sense!

        • socalbeachdude

          You appear to be one of the MIC warmongers which is appallingly shameful.

          • Thebadguy

            Nope wrong guy!

    • jakartaman

      Fat pig Allbright and Clinton – N. Korea
      Obama and Clinton – Iran

    • D.R.Phantom

      Who will have China and Russia on our side?!
      You, Americans, a gang of cheese-smile mentally engineered meat sacks?!
      You’ve already started a war with Russia, are you aware of it? Your amateurish attempt to cover the failure of your economy may push the world into a thermonuclear holocaust.
      On the other hand, American primitive-barbarism went off far beyond the threshold of tolerance. So, at the end of the day, the free-world has to accept the challenge and check the USA on the battlefield – for, enough is enough.

      • retired22

        another thoroughly indoctrinated kid,foaming at the mouth with vitriol,
        the professor’s little helper!

        As Macbeth would have said about your diatribe,
        “A tale told by an idiot,full of sound & fury signifying nothing”.

        • D.R.Phantom

          I experienced American planes buzzing over my head while dropping bombs. Thus, we speak different languages and live in parallel worlds.
          What else can I say about someone who is expecting Russians to join Yankees in the aggression of NK but to avoid the expressions like ‘moron’ or the like?
          Is there any doctrine in the policy of USA that excludes violence but is not bribery and corruption?
          However, American soporific public is eventually to get what people are asking for. Then, do not hesitate to try to find the purpose of human existence in literature. You can begin with Shakespeare if you like. I don’t mind.

    • LIZ THE SHIZ

      YOU MEAN RU Paul ?

  • Dude Michael…On behalf of Americans…You need to Apologise to North Korea for being brainwashed by propaganda. The reality is THIS…

    The American people should, in the words of Vietnam War Veteran Brian Willson “place themselves in the position of people living in targeted countries.

    What most people in America do not know –and which is particularly relevant when assessing the “threats” of the DPRK to World peace– is that North Korea lost thirty percent of its population as a result of US led bombings in the 1950s. US military sources confirm that 20 percent of North Korea’s population was killed off over a three period of intensive bombings:

    “After destroying North Korea’s 78 cities and thousands of her villages, and killing countless numbers of her civilians, [General] LeMay remarked, “Over a period of three years or so we killed off – what – twenty percent of the population.” It is now believed that the population north of the imposed 38th Parallel lost nearly a third its population of 8 – 9 million people during the 37-month long “hot” war, 1950 – 1953, perhaps an unprecedented percentage of mortality suffered by one nation due to the belligerence of another.” (quoted in Richard Rhodes, “The General and World War III,” The New Yorker, June 19, 1995, p. 53.)

    The US never apologized for having killed 30 percent of North Korea’s population. Quite the opposite. The main thrust of US foreign policy has been to demonize the victims of US led wars.

  • Mondobeyondo

    The Korean War never formally ended. North and South Korea are technically still at war.

    President Trump, I hope you know what you’re doing… because I sure don’t.

    • socalbeachdude

      True on both counts.

    • Thebadguy

      This won’t be done by Trump he will most likely go thru Congress then its the generals. I keep see all these people make crazy comments about North Korea being a small country. That small country is putting Japan and South Korea in danger. if you like it or not we have Military commitments to help or defend those countries. I am not a big war fan but sometimes you need to stand up.

      • socalbeachdude

        There is no threat to South Korea by North Korea nor is there any sort of threat to Japan.

        • Thebadguy

          If there is no threat they why do we have to have troops in South Korea??? Again your dribble is typical nonsense.

          • socalbeachdude

            The US should not have any US military presence at all in South Korea nor should it have most any of its around 2,300 military bases around the world.

          • Thebadguy

            I agree but that not going to happen until we collapse! Too much money on the line

          • jgibbsphd

            Total B.S! The total number of non-Conus “installations” is only around 800, and most of these are not named “bases”.

            An “installation” is defined as “a military base, camp, post, station, yard, center, home port facility for any ship, or other activity under the jurisdiction of the Department of Defense, including leased space, that is controlled by, or primarily supports DoD’s activities. An installation may consist of one or more sites”.

            The United States is the largest operator of military bases abroad, with 38 “named bases”.

          • socalbeachdude

            The term is “DRIVEL” not dribble (which is something babies do) but that is certainly not applicable to my correct observations!

  • greanfinisher

    So are we to engage in a sneak attack upon a small sovereign nation, and annihilate it with tactical nukes simply because we don’t want that particular nation to become a nuclear power? I’m not sure that we would be abiding by any international law here.

    • socalbeachdude

      Yep, and 100% true.

  • Jorma

    Just to chime in here. According to other sites China has been lying (to the US) about their coal imports into N. Korea. Which may suggest China is setting us up for a first strike for whatever reason. Maybe a Taiwan invasion etc while we are distracted with Un. China is three steps ahead of us on the chessboard and they have an alterior motive here we aren’t aware of.

    • socalbeachdude

      Taiwan is a renegade province of China and that has been the case since 1949 and China has no intention of giving a single inch on that matter, but that is a whole ‘nother situation rather than a pressing issue.

  • Larry

    Michael…you were so close to getting to the truth, but once again you have come up short…over and over again. The truth is that Clinton, Bush and Obama got us through 24 years without a war in Korea…but your Trump clown will get us in the same war within 3 months of his presidency. U can’t see the truth?? Let me explain it to you so you understand. The best war is the war you never fight…especially in this day and age. North Korea will fight extremely hard for many reasons…including for their survival and their hate towards America since the Korean War. Also, China and Russia will not allow the U.S. to win over North Korea for many, many reasons. Third. A strike against North Korea will not be able to fully defeat them…look at the Iraq War and the Gulf War. North Korea is a stronger military country with very strong allies. There is no victory in North Korea short of sending a million troops and the ability to obsorb either their conventional or nuclear responses.

    • socalbeachdude

      Actually, North Korea would be totally wiped out within a few hours, but is that really what we want to see?

    • Thebadguy

      Sorry Larry the reason we are in this mess is Clinton signing one of those awesome deals like Obama did with Iran. So what will you suggest Larry when Pyscho Boy Nukes LA or Hawaii or Japan. What are you going to tell The 38 million Americans in LA when they get hit??? Sorry my bad. In the real world sometimes you have to stand up. Its a no win Situation. Yeah those real world Situations exist. China is in a worse Situation if we go to war when we are done Millions Of North Koreans will pour over there border, something they don’t want China needs to get control over them now. China also does not want them to get nuclear weapons because with Psycho boy they are just as big a target as everyone else. By the way the reason we did not win in Iraq is the morons pulled out if they wanted to win they should have fought the war to win Bush and company got many americans killed with their stupidity. The Iraq war was all about Oil, gold and the Petro dollar.

      • socalbeachdude

        The Lil’ Un is not going to “nuke” anybody and can’t even file a test missile successfully!

        • Thebadguy

          Just like WW2 Chamberlin was an appeaser and almost got England wiped off the map.

          • socalbeachdude

            What utterly false nonsense. But that sort of BS is to be expected from a warmonger.

          • Thebadguy

            Nope Wrong guy! But like most truth no longer goes in the world today!

          • socalbeachdude

            Huh, dude? What are you doing here with your comment BUT WARMONGERING?

          • Thebadguy

            Again wrong guy! But its funny when you find a counterpoint the names come out! Maybe we should just challenge Un to spelling contest and see if we can get him to turn over his Weapons? Or maybe we can send Obama over to apologize for us again.

          • socalbeachdude

            Huh?

          • Thebadguy

            It the twilight zone world you guys live in North and south will get along and all will be good! Right? Well for almost 50 years we have had to babysit South Korea? why is that? Since there is no threat right.

          • socalbeachdude

            The population is all Korean and the people of both countries will get along just fine. It looks these days like North Korea is a whole lot less corrupt than South Korea who just arrested and imprisoned South Korean President Park last week where she sits awaiting trial.

          • Thebadguy

            Again thats not our problem We have our own problems with Clintons Obamas and More. But its late i have a company to run in the morning! Millions of people on welfare are counting on me!

        • jgibbsphd

          Two sats in space and numerous successful test launches of various systems. But, let’s ignore those and focus on the fewer failures.

          If two nuclear missiles are launched at your hometown, and the news reports one failed at launch, do you feel better about the unsuccessful launch?

  • William Lutz

    No, I’m not praying for peace. We have to go to war with North Korea and attempt to destroy all their nukes. I don’t care what the cost is. It’s a time of great divide and discord so we will have to fight eventually. Ultimately, one side has to win.

    • tacoma

      So you believe North Korea has nuclear weapons? Well Vietnam has nuclear weapons too. Why just watch Fox.

      • socalbeachdude

        Vietnam is not believed to possess nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons, or programs for their development. … However, Vietnam is not a member of any of the major export control regimes. Hanoi has submitted three national reports on the implementation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 1540 (UNSCR 1540).

        http://www.nti.org/learn/countries/vietnam/

      • Thebadguy

        Don’t worry we can just send Obama deal he worked out with Iran! in that deal all you have to do is ask them they will tell you Nope we got Nothing! But I saw this cartoon The roadrunner has a bomb in the end!

      • jgibbsphd

        NK has tested, openly admitted to having nukes and is making threats to use those nukes. Various governmental and independent watchdog agencies across the globe have proven the existence of NK nuke testing, so this has nothing to do with Fox News.

        Strange mindset you have.

  • nineleven

    lets not be sure about writing off China as bystander in this. This might be exactly what China’s military might want to do to actually test the readiness of his nations massive wound up spring-tight military and weaponry. In my mind its a perfect target becuase its not expected. Remember Hitler invaded Russia and they had a signed treaty. What better thing then to get a tiny rouge element out of the way for the Chinese road to domination.

    • socalbeachdude

      There is indeed that consideration to analyze.

    • Thebadguy

      If there is a Big war china will collapse just like America! China is dependent on selling goods Their economy like ours is smoke and mirrors.

      • socalbeachdude

        China is already collapsing under the world’s biggest pile of debt and money creation ever seen.

    • Spatial Memory

      China and Shanghai Cooperation Organization run this planet.

  • socalbeachdude

    Just what exactly would be achieved by unilaterally attacking the country of North Korea? And isn’t Chinese Premier Xi going to be in Florida at Mar-a-Lago over the next few days?

  • mtntrek3

    Nutjob Un will eventually strike Japan or S. Korea, Iran will eventually strike Israel. Unfortunately it’s not a matter of if but when.

    • socalbeachdude

      Nope.

      • mtntrek3

        Then again, what was I thinking? ….. N. Korea/Iran leadership is the epitome of stability and tolerance. Lol.

        • socalbeachdude

          North Korea has nothing to gain at all by attacking any of its neighbors, and neither does Iran which has no interest whatsoever in attacking Israel.

          • Dodgeball

            I think you might be right about NK attacking its neighbors because if they wanted to, they could have already nearly wiped out their southern neighbor or have done massive damage to an already hurting Japan (with their radiation and economic problems), but I think with Iran, we have a different situation here in that they have stated on multiple occasions that Israel needs to be removed from the earth and driven into the sea. I’m not the brightest bulb in the box, but I think I can safely assume that they didn’t mean by using bulldozers.

    • Thebadguy

      And just like in the past we will have to deal with the mess!

      • socalbeachdude

        The US doesn’t have to lift a finger regarding Korea.

        • GSOB

          ??

  • socalbeachdude

    This would not be good for trade with South Korea at all and that would very adversely affect major companies like LG and Samsung and Hyundai / Kia and many others. South Korea is in a catastrophic political disaster at this stage with President Park now sitting in prison for corruption. What does South Korea have to say about this issue regarding Korea?

    • chris

      Bed-wettingly poor analysis….

  • socalbeachdude

    Korea needs to be unified as a single country and the split between north and south totally ended, but attacking North Korea is certainly not the way to get that desired goal accomplished.

    • The history between Korea and the United States goes back to the late 1800s when the US had completed its manifest destiny across North America and was beginning to build a global empire. In 1871, more than 700 US marines and sailors landed on Kanghwa beach in west Korea, seeking to begin US colonization (a smaller US invasion occurred in 1866). They destroyed five forts, inflicting as many as 650 Korean casualties. The US withdrew, realizing it would need a much larger force to succeed, but this was the largest military force to land outside the Americas until the 1898 war in the Philippines.

      S. Brian Willson reports that this invasion is still discussed in North Korea, but it has been erased from the history in South Korea as well as in the United States.

      • Socalbeachdude

        Laughably false!!

      • socalbeachdude

        Laughably true!!

    • GSOB

      You are extremely naïve.
      There is no freedom to be found under a dictator.
      Get rid of the dictator first, then unite as one Korea.

      • retired22

        There are garden variety dictators that can be negotiated with & then there are madmen like the dictator in North Korea!

        • GSOB

          And in Syria

          • retired22

            I don’ know if Assad,as bad as he is,
            is as crazy as the maniac running North Korea.
            All of this garbage started with Obama’s Arab Spring!
            There is no justice,all of the people harmed by this degenerate while he is living like a king on all of the loot he received from George Soros!

    • retired22

      You have it backwards,the North Koreans claim that they have long range missiles that can reach the USA & won’t be shy about using!
      Carrying Nukes of course!

  • socalbeachdude

    The country of North Korea has a population of about 25 million people. The population of the PRC (People’s Republic of China) is about 1.4 billion people. North Korea and South Korea share borders with the PRC. What is China’s view on the PRC these days? What does Chinese Premier Xi who will soon be meeting with President Trump at Mar-a-Lago think of this matter regarding North Korea? Would China side with the US? Or would China side with North Korea if it were to be attacked?

    • tacoma

      Since 1954, China have explicitly helped maintain the state of North Korea. Very carefully, very smartly. There are some extremely compelling reasons.

      But make sure you understand this: China, Russia, India – the 3 big nuclear capable countries, are NOT on anybody side. They are sovereign, non-aligned, and they are only on its side. They conduct independent sovereign policies. They have never been conquered and they don’t answer to any foreign powers. All have strong old cultures far stronger than the the U.S. They don’t mess with each other, or with the U.S. And if the U.S. mess with them, well …

      • socalbeachdude

        100% correct. Vietnam in the 1960s was proxy war among the US, China, and Russia as was made very clear to me by the PLA (People’s Liberation Army) when I was a guest in China 4 years after it opened to trade back in 1983. The war between China and Vietnam was still raging then with frequent broadcasts of fighting coming across the radio as we were driven around China.

      • Spatial Memory

        You may want to educate yourself regarding Shanghai Cooperation Organization.

    • chris

      Laughable speculation and guesswork mixed with a few minor facts to add credence….

    • retired22

      You believe that South Korea has land borders with China?
      Now that is really laughable! HA,HA,HA.

      • The Real Farmer

        He’s a snowflake pu c.

  • socalbeachdude

    North Korea ‘fires a ballistic missile into the East Sea’ just a day before Trump and China’s Xi meet to discuss Kim Jong-un’s rogue nation

    The isolated state has quickened its missile programme in recent months, with a volley of tests it says are putting it closer to acquiring the ability to hit the US with a nuclear weapon.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4380890/North-Korea-fires-projectile-East-Sea.html

    • chris

      Backside-scratchingly tedious…..

  • Goosebump inducing news. Lord, please let this resolve peacefully, and may the nation of North Korea repent and come to the foot of the cross.

    • socalbeachdude

      North Korea will continue to do as they please but it would be helpful if the PRC spanked them a little!

    • Dean

      I think Christianity is illegal in North Korea along with probably every other religion.

      • socalbeachdude

        Traditionally, religion in North Korea primarily consists of Buddhism and Confucianism and to a lesser extent Korean shamanism and syncretic Chondogyo. Since the arrival of Europeans in the 18th century, there is also a Christian minority.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_North_Korea

        • Dean

          If people in North Korea want to practice a religion they probably have to do it in secret or in underground church’s to avoid persecution since Kim thinks he’s some kind of God. Hey, maybe he and snodtblossom could go on a date(God/Goddess). Ha!

      • You are correct. They official belief system in North Korea is Juche.

  • socalbeachdude

    The Daily Mail which is the world’s largest circulation news source does not see this matter as a particularly pressing issue at all and China’s Premier XI is about to land in the US and meeting with President Donald Trump.

    • chris

      Completely irrelevant…

  • tacoma

    The ‘Crisis’ from North Korea is ONLY in the minds of the Pentagon.

    NK have denied American military domination of China’s coast from north to south. It is the last remaining country the American War Machine has not conquered in Asia, the last it tried time it got bloodied. The generals want revenge, they want to flatten the country, grind it up, they want to kill millions, they want to conquer and they want to take it over and do whatever they want.

    The Pentagon want to do to North Korea what it did to Iraq. Wipe the leadership out, wiped half the people out, take over the land and treasure. Then American corporations will go in and exploit it for trillions in profit. Trillions the U.S. desperately want to create. It is clear to U.S. leadership that such a wealth is impossible to create domestically due to size of debt and bankruptcy of culture. War for profit is the only way.

    NK is not a threat to any country in the world, not even the American people. But it is a pain in the behind to the war mongers, the gigantic war machine. Have been so since 1954. The generals have been waiting for a very long time for a president to authorize Korean War 2. Looks like Trump is their man. Congress have long given up its constitutional power to declare war so any president with enough courage or stupidity can do it. Historians call this form of government ‘military dictatorship’, like Nazi Germany. Yes, like North Korea too.

    In the upcoming summit between Trump and Xi, Trump will give Xi an ultimatum, as follows: The U.S. has already decided to strike North Korea. The only question is what China will do. If China does nothing, good. Trump will ease off in the South China Sea. If China help NK, then Trump will accuse China of starting World War 3.

    It should be understood that the Pentagon are fully prepared to fight WW3 on China and NK. It has already deployed massive strike and invasion forces of every kind in the inventory, strategies all worked out. The Chiefs will tell president Xi of this and dare him.

    If Xi oppose Trump’s Korean War 2, then Trump generals will get a prize: authorization to wipe out half of China military, finally. They have watched China power growth and wanted it stop. Because ONLY America is allowed to have the most powerful military.

    Look for a propaganda campaign bigger than that on Saddam Iraq. It will accuse NK of possessing the most powerful nuclear force, the most deadly WMD, long range ICBMs able to hit all of the U.S., the most evil of tyrant, the most insane of leader. It will say NK will drop 10 times more mushroom cloud on the U.S. than Saddam. And the American people will believe it. After all, they did elect a Trump.

    Then Trump will push the Big Button to unleash the most horrific Shock & Awe to start Korean War 2. He will go on to to say he is doing this to save the planet from Hitler 2. And to create the millions of jobs he promised. The jobs will come after he conquered North Korea, Mission Accomplished. And if that not happen, well blame Kim.

    I expect Trump’s Korean War 2 will kill about 10 million people. But it won’t be only Koreans.

    • socalbeachdude

      Indeed. Absolutely 100% correct. We have some CRAZED LUNATIC WARMONGERS IN THE PENTAGON and Donald Trump is not helping the matter at all by trying to get $54 billion more for their military adventurism and should start DISMANTLING THE US MIC ASAP rather than encouraging their outrageously bad and stupid behavior.

      • Thebadguy

        You mean the money just to give the troops the up to date equipment that is useable? Your a tool!

        • socalbeachdude

          Huh? US military spending accounts for 16% of the around $4 trillion annual federal budget – plus another 4% in Veterans Benefits – and is more than the next 25 countries combined. US military spending should be immediately cut by at least 50% if not more.

          • jgibbsphd

            A common defense of the nation is one of the few mandates on the Federal Gov mandated by the US Constitution. Most all the other 80% spending is not mandated, and in most cases, not approved for by the US Constitution. Thus, several Constitutional scholars, myself included, argue the Fed Gov should cut, or even eliminate, many or most of these other Unconstitutional expenditures.

            As an FYI, MCR, MCD and SSI consume the majority of the budget, and are a large part of the $100 to $200 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities that are bankrupting this nation.

      • jgibbsphd

        In all my years of mil service, I NEVER met a single “CRAZED LUNATIC WARMONGER” in the PTG. Most of us hated war and attempted to avoid it at most all costs. Precisely because, we and our friends were the ones who would have to fight it and possible die! The highest educated individuals with the most advanced and multiple degrees serve in the US Military.

        Since my retirement, I have worked in various private sector professions, and I can attest, there are far more CRAZED LUNATICS in the Universities, liberal institutions and other sectors than I ever came across in the PTG.

        • Dean

          Thank you for serving our country.

    • Very well said …totally agree.

      • GSOB

        That figures

    • chris

      You would have to have a completely insane and/or desperate leader as president of the USA for this to happen as you say……….

  • socalbeachdude

    Yes, YOU certainly are!

  • Taos61

    The idiot in the wh is going to get us all killed.To all the imbeciles who voted for him,thanks.Whew.

    • socalbeachdude

      No, Donald Trump is a great President and outstanding American and is not going to get anyone killed at all.

    • Brian

      I thank God everyday the Trump is our POTUS. Would you honestly rather have Hillary running our country? smh

      • socalbeachdude

        Indeed, and I would suggest that Donald focus on putting that vile Hellery thang in prison as his most important priority at this stage along with Obola.

    • Thebadguy

      Better yet maybe we should have reelected the closet Muslim to a 3rd term. then he could have gone to North Korea and Apologized for us! Brilliant!

      • socalbeachdude

        North Korea and South Korea need to be reunited into a SINGLE KOREA as soon as possible.

        • Thebadguy

          Sure no Problem guess what pull our troops they can do what ever they want! No out problem!

        • jgibbsphd

          Brilliant Idea! Why didn’t anyone think of that before? Just which Korean version will it be? The North’s delusion or the South’s dream? And, who decides, and by what means? Flip a coin? Sword fight? Soccer match? Geez, more genius. /sarc

  • socalbeachdude

    Russia’s Love Affair With North Korea

    The logic behind Moscow’s economic outreach to Pyongyang

    On February 3, 2017, North Koream leader Kim Jong-un sent out Lunar New Year greeting cards to numerous world leaders, highlighting the DPRK’s array of international allies. Even though China has been frequently described as North Korea’s leading international ally, Pyongyang’s state-controlled news agency, KCNA, listed Russia at the top of the list of countries friendly toward the DPRK, relegating China to second place.

    Kim’s placement of Russia at the top of North Korea’s symbolic hierarchy of allies for the third consecutive year is a considerable break from Kim Jong-Il’s public emphasis on the DPRK’s alliances with China and Cuba. Pyongyang’s symbolic show of solidarity with the Kremlin has also been accompanied by a string of economic deals with Russia.

    The expansion of Russian investment in the North Korean economy has entrenched Moscow’s role as a guarantor (along with China) of the Kim regime’s survival. Although Russia’s ability to benefit economically from closer links with North Korea is limited, Russian President Vladimir Putin’s willingness to deepen its alliance with Pyongyang highlights Moscow’s desire to expand its role as a stakeholder in the preservation of long-term peace in the Korean peninsula.

    http://thediplomat.com/2017/02/russias-love-affair-with-north-korea/

    • chris

      Stomach churning drivel…..

  • Dean

    Too bad the people of North Korea can’t rise up and have a coup and overthrown this piece of crap and put in a legitimate government.

    • socalbeachdude

      What is not in any way legitimate about the government of North Korea?

      • Dean

        They’re communist.

        • socalbeachdude

          So what? So is China. So is Russia. So is Cuba. So are many great countries.

          • Dean

            No fair elections. Anyone opposed to the regime in power or runs against them are quickly silenced.

          • socalbeachdude

            Sure wish we could do that here in the USA!

          • jgibbsphd

            Be careful watch you ask for, for you may get it.

            If you desire such a socialist/communist/dictatorship nation, then please move to one and leave the rest of us to live in a Republic.

          • jgibbsphd

            Yes, and that must be the reason so many people desire to LEAVE those countries, and why so many are willing to face death via defecting? Crossing shark filled oceans in/on rubber rafts? Walking across the hot SW USA? Etc, etc, etc.

            Even China and Russia had to modify their governmental and economic systems away from pure Communism/Socialism, which either had collapsed (USSR) or was collapsing.

            When are you permanently moving to one of these?

      • jgibbsphd

        Smallpox is very legit, but it isn’t something a rational and compassionate person would want their family to have.

  • socalbeachdude

    Democratic People’s Republic of Korea

    “The DPRK is the Juche-oriented socialist state which embodies the idea and leadership of Comrade Kim II Sung, the founder of the Republic and the father of socialist Korea.”

    The Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is a genuine workers’ state in which all the people are completely liberated from exploitation and oppression. The workers, peasants, soldiers and intellectuals are the true masters of their destiny and are in a unique position to defend their interests.

    http://www.korea-dpr.com/

    • chris

      Mind numbingly boring….

    • jgibbsphd

      What’s “Democratic” about a dictatorship that imprisons, tortures and murders its people? Funny how the Communists and Socialists nations label themselves as something they are not. Honesty is NOT one of their strong suits.

      “People are completely liberated from exploitation and oppression” LMAO REALLY? And you BELIEVE THIS?

  • NARENDRA MODI KING of WORLD

    As long as NARENDRA MODI is leading, no one can do anything

    • socalbeachdude

      ??????

  • socalbeachdude

    The best web site for the latest news coverage in Korea is:

    http://www.korea.net

    The official North Korea web site is at:

    http://www.korea-dpr.com/

    • chris

      Laughable speculation and misinformation….

      • retired22

        This guy,Beachdude,is full of jollies.
        Almost everything makes him laugh!

  • George W Hill Jr

    one more comment ;;;probably go down like this …

    boom one big blast in Poy then S. Korea to clean up.. the N Koreans (people) will not fight the S Korean liberation army… and without a leader not sure how hard any of the military would fight.

    • socalbeachdude

      Laughably False!

  • alohajim

    Nuke’s are fake. North Korea is no threat to anyone but their own people. The author is a war monger and complete idiot.

    • jgibbsphd

      Another genus IQ no doubt. All those underground nuke test, pictures and radiation detentions were all fake, and NK’s constant claims of nukes and their first strike usage are all fake. WHEW! I am glad you cleared that up for us peons. /sarc

  • tom

    3 letters that we should be concerned with that would do far more damage and kill more Americans than a direct N.Korean nuke…EMP

    How many times a day are those 2 North Korean satellites passing over the CONUS?

    • Orac4Prez

      An EMP over Korea would have a devastating effect on all high tech producing countries and stop a lot of high tech exports to the world. It would kill trade and under the EMP “shield” NK could attack SK easily. As you indicate an ICBM isn’t needed and if sent over to the US could leave the US defences “fumbling” to determine what is happening.

    • XSANDIEGOCA

      Time to act. The costs of delay will only rise exponentially.

  • Spatial Memory

    Possibly the BEST SIGN FOR PEACE FOR THE KOREAN PENINSULA and the region EVER !!!

    Once the best source for INVERSE DATA EVER began forecasting economic COLLAPSES and market CRASHES, global economies began an unprecedented PROTRACTED ECONOMIC EXPANSION while GLOBAL ASSETS and CAPITAL MARKETS began skyrocketing to HISTORIC HIGHS !!!

  • XSANDIEGOCA

    We have arrived at this point due to DECADES of appeasement of North Korea by both Parties. Indeed, I am retired now and this Drama has been playing in the background since I was a Baby. Enough. We do not permit Felons to have firearms. Why in the name of God should we allow this little Tyrant to have nuclear weapons? He has threatened to destroy us more times than I can count. The time has come to defang him. Yes, millions may die but many more millions will die if we do not. Once he has a missile that can reach our West Coast we will be endlessly blackmailed and we may lose LA, Honolulu and SF in one go. We have spent trillions for Defense. Time to earn the Paycheck. If we do nothing, he will have achieved a great victory and the opposition such as it exists in North Korea will be cowed into silence permanently. This is very reminiscent in my mind with the Thirties when Hitler was acting up and the West could have taken him out. The German General Staff would have supported us. We did nothing and the rest is History.

    • jox

      It’s just the opposite. The USA is so bullish with every country that doesn’t obey, that is pushing everybody to have nuclear weapons. This is why Noth Korea needs nukes, and also Iran and others, only to survive USA attacks. Don’t forget that USA is the ONLY country in the world that has actually used the nukes.

      • XSANDIEGOCA

        Thank God we did or I would not be here.

        • jox

          Not true. The war was already won. Americans are always satisfied of themselves and full of excuses about bombing others.

          • retired22

            The war was not over until they surrendered & they were going to fight till the bitter end!

          • jgibbsphd

            Well, not according to the people then and there and history. That is why it took TWO nuked cities and not just one. Japan REFUSED to surrender.

            The only true way a war is won is either by near or total annihilation of the enemy, or the complete breaking of his “will” to fight.

          • retired22

            Listen Jox,…I think your brain is fogged because your strap is too tight!

          • jox

            You cannot argue with someone not subjugated to american imperialistic mind. Do you realize that ‘american exceptionalism’ is false,it serves only to have you brainwashed?

          • XSANDIEGOCA

            My Father was in the invasion force for Honshu. He was convinced he was sailing to his Doom. Then the Bombs were dropped.

      • retired22

        You are an example of what Thomas Edison meant when he said,
        “5% of the people think,10% think that they think,& the remaining 85% would rather die then think”
        You are part of that 10% who think that they think,you heard a few catch phrases & cliches & you are here showboating all of your supposed wisdom’s.
        If you had any in depth idea of what was happening in late 1945 you would shut up realizing how stupid you sound!

        • jox

          Then you are part of the remaining 85%, if you cannot comment about what I said, but instead you attack me. Normally ad hominem attacks show lack of ability to say something more intelligent.

          • retired22

            It would take a half hour & a couple of pages to explain all of the horrors let loose at the end of WW2 if the bombs had not been dropped!

          • jox

            Excuses. Americans dropped 2 nukes killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. But they need to feel superior ethically. They need to think that evil are the others, not them.

          • retired22

            If Japan had been invaded the war could have gone on for the bigger part of another year & the death toll would have been in the millions, I don’t care what your for8kin professor told you

          • socalbeachdude

            Japan could have been blockaded and sanctioned until they would have surrendered. Oh, and I suppose using concussion bombs and blowing the roofs off peoples houses then firing bombing Dresden Germany a city with only civilians no military was ethical too? Watch Hellstorm the Dressen Holocaust on YouTube since you are so utterly clueless, Dude.

          • retired22

            What does the Dresden bombings have to do with Atom bombs against Japan?
            We would have needed to invade Japan & that would have cost hundreds of thousands of American lives.
            The Japanese government was going to conscript the whole civilian population to fight to the end.
            The Japanese Held over 140,000 allied
            Prisoners who would have been murdered by the Japanese as final revenge. Chopping off heads was one of their favorite methods.
            As late as August the Japanese leadership was still determined to fight on.

            What finally caused them to quit was the Soviet attack on & conquest of the Japanese puppet state of Manchukuo (Manchuria)which the High command had hoped to hold as a manufacturing base to produce war materials needed to fight on,before this the Japanese leadership was determined to defend the home islands at all cost.
            I presume that Truman was told nothing by the Soviets of this attack on Manchuria which was ongoing while the bombs were falling,the Soviets being who they were most likely.would not have told anyone of their plans. That being the case,Truman had no way of factoring in the Russians.
            As far as demonstrating the weapon,…if that didn’t get the right response it would have taken months to build another bomb.
            During those months,Japanese forces throughout areas they still controlled would still continue fighting.This would have meant tens of thousands more deaths!

            Truman made the best decision he could have at the time!

          • socalbeachdude

            100% correct. Absolutely nothing except to that IMPOSTOR IDIOT using my account name who posted that rubbish.

          • retired22

            Are you Serious?
            have things gotten that bad that we have imposters commenting here?

          • jgibbsphd

            “Ethical”? It was WWII and Congress had declared “total war”. Please do us all a favor and learn what those mean.

            Dresden had numerous military targets, and numerous “civilian” factories and other military supporting systems. Heck man, most of Germany was, in one fashion or another, producing something that was supporting the war effort. Geez, Idiots!!

            THIS is ONE of the reasons a nation and its leaders better THINK long and HARD before attacking another nation. YOU MAY LOSE ! and LOSE EVERYTHING including your LIFE and the LIVES of ALL YOUR LOVED ONES !

          • socalbeachdude

            Correct, I did not make that post as you can clearly see by swiping over its Disqus number as it has about 50 comments and is a FAKE IMPERSONATOR who is a fool.

          • socalbeachdude

            The above is a FAKE IMPOSTOR POST by a fake socalbeachdude.

          • jox

            It’s easy to fool someone that want to be fooled. One nuke could have been dropped over a little island with little population. The intention was not to surrender Japan, but to test the weapon and to show it to the world.

      • GSOB

        All brutal dictators have several common risk factors during their childhood;
        the absence of a loving father,
        abuse from family members and
        the loss of those close to them.

        When a person’s risk factors outweigh their protective factors, they have a predisposition for a violent behavior.

        666 666 666 666 666 666 666 666 666 666 666 66
        And speaking of factors….
        see what’s also happening with the O’ Reilly Factor?

        Tainted love news = the Fox

  • Black

    You bible thumpers are really praying for nuclear war. Your next life will most assuredly be as miserable as the current one

  • DrM

    What kind of consequences will a US attack on N-Korea have for the whole Middle-East and the European Union? Will a major conflict erupt in which Israel will be involved and Russia with his allies tries to invade Israel in the Gog-Magog war? During a major war in the Middle-East the antichrist will rise to power in the European Union and confirm a false peace treaty with Israel and her neighbours, a covenant with many.

    Anyway it all has to do with Israel celebrating her 70th birthday next year. 70 is the number of fulfilment.

    • Jerry C

      ENPI (European Neighborhood Policy Instrument) of 7 years-check
      10 Permanent Voting Members-check
      Damascus utterly destroyed-coming…

  • jakartaman

    I think we should follow Obama’s strategy
    Lets make a deal with N. Korea and give the billions in cash delivered in the dead of night.

    • jgibbsphd

      Yea, well, we did that for a couple of decades, and where has it gotten us?

  • Cal

    NK should have been blown off the face of the earth in the summer of 1950. But give him hell Harry blinked and now we are stuck with the aftermath. When the decision was made to send troops to the peninsula, no declaration of war was given by Congress instead Truman put the war under UN auspices, a dangerous and bad precedent to say the least. Undeclared Asian land wars have been the norm since. Funny thing Truman did not hesitate to nuke nearby Japan five years earlier but did hesitate here and lost a golden chance at a twofer, eliminate communist Kim first then Mao. Wars and rumors of wars. Sounds quite biblical therefore I recommend you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. Call upon the name of the Lord and you shall be saved, then repent of all sins. God Bless and Jesus saves.

  • retired22

    One of the great misunderstandings that led to WW2 was the bad idea among the western nations that Hitler was sane & could be dealt with in a reasonable way!
    Today,the North Korean dictator is a madman & cannot be dealt with in a logical way,various leaders have tried & failed!

    • socalbeachdude

      Nope on both counts.

  • kbrockm

    Covert Op will take the little tyrant out.

  • Carl

    Nonsense

  • Carl

    Cheney gave nukes to north korea during the bush admin

    • jakartaman

      Albright and Willey – Get it right

    • jgibbsphd

      Uhh, What? I was serving during the 90’s, and NK was in early stages of nuke development then. Slick Willy’s admin was the beginning of this nuclear baby.

      In the late 90’s, various war plans were proposed to AVOID this very scenario we are facing today, so we knew THEN where this was heading. Several of us gave Nk “10 to 15 years” to have functional nukes, and right on time, they did.

    • socalbeachdude

      Absolutely false.

  • chris

    ‘It is unthinkable that we would allow a tyrannical leader that is literally insane and that is obsessed with destroying the United States to have such a weapon.’

    Interestingly if you replaced ‘destroying the United States’ with ‘destroying any opposition to the United States’ some people might say that you’ve just described Trump and all the previous presidents for the last 60 years or so.

  • chris

    A war with North Korea would be a convenient distraction for the Trump regime/administration as its failure to implement major economic policies etc becomes apparent.
    In the 2016 election the USA had a choice of an evil woman or a nutter. The nutter won.

    • jgibbsphd

      You’re right, anyone, including yourself, should have already implemented new and “major” NATIONAL economic and healthcare policies within their first 2 months as President. No one needs congressional approval, just become a dictator and hang anyone who opposes your plans. Oy Vey!

    • socalbeachdude

      And just what “major economic policies” do you want to see in the USA? How about cutting the federal spending by about $1 trillion a year?

  • wahoojed

    Take North Korea out now while we still can, before they actually do use a nuke. Kim Jong Un is crazy enough to use nukes without any provocation.

    • df NJ

      Un is crazy because you were told he was crazy? How do you know?

      • jgibbsphd

        Uhh, simple observations of his words and actions against his own people and those around him. Crazy does NOT mean stupid or without intelligent thought with goals.

      • wahoojed

        Obviously you don’t read the news.

  • GSOB

    The war in Syria, Assad’s use of chemical weapons just in the last 48 hours is really the bigger threat.

    • df NJ

      Another false flag attack like the last one. It sure is easy to bait the US into a war nowadays!

      • GSOB

        Alliances are transmission belts of war.

        No nation in history has handed out so many war guarantees to so many allies on so many continents as has the United States.

        One of them will one day drag the US into a great war,….. after which, if she survives,…. all these alliances will be dissolved in

        .

        .

        disillusionment.

    • socalbeachdude

      There was no use of any chemical weapons by Assad or the Syrian government, and allegations of such are just more TOTAL LIES from the US unintillegence community.

      Nutter Haley Slams Russia Over Syria Chem Attack (Zero Proof) – Warns US May Take ‘Own Action’

      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/05/haley-slams-russia-over-syrian-chemical-attack-warns-us-may-take-our-own-action.html

  • jisooslisp

    “Previous administrations have tried sanctions and negotiations for decades” That’s not true, when the Clinton administration averted war by negotiating the 1994 deal (done by Jimmy Carter) the W. Bush Administration didn’t fully abide by the rules because they were late delivering the light water reactors that North Korea was suppose to get (I assume because they hated the Clinton deal and hated North Korea), that irritated North Korea which led them to break their end of the agreement. Its likely North Korea would’ve broken the deal anyway but laying the blame all on North Korea is dishonest. The general public doesn’t know this but seasoned North Korea analysts do and the honest ones mention this.

    • chris

      You are correct. To say that the USA has tried negotiating with NK is laughable. In the last 10 years or so its tactics have been sanctions, threats, isolation and no communication. And where has that approach got? Absolutely nowhere other than to convince NK that the USA is definitely out to them . Maybe they should actually try holding out a hand of friendship for a change, who knows it may give better results. But of course the NWO can’t have a single country outside of its grip with nuclear weapons.

      • jgibbsphd

        Wrong! There have been numerous back-channel communications that have failed to spawn anything other than what we see today. This is why the new admin has stated “no more” of the same old BS that only gives NK time to arm up with nukes and better delivery systems.

        • chris

          It’s those old ‘back channels’ again….!
          I think you may have disappeared up your own back channel……

          • retired22

            And how the heck would you know,one way or another?
            You huff & puff And make a lot of meaningless noise.

        • socalbeachdude

          Yep, there most certainly have been.

      • socalbeachdude

        Where do you come up with those notions?

    • retired22

      When we find out that North Korea did not keep it’s part of the agreement will be when we see the smoking holes that were once major cities!
      At his point we can place a complaint somewhere,..Maybe the UN?

  • df NJ

    WWIII is not worth it. Just give the cry baby his food.

    • jgibbsphd

      You wrongly assume that is what he is desires.

  • jisooslisp

    I have family in South Korea, I really don’t want them to die because politicians are afraid to lose face. Just agree to face to face negotiations with North Korea. What does it matter if you hand them a propoganda victory or reward bad behavior? A war with North Korea is going to be horrible. All the US soldiers killed, South Koreans, Japanese, even regular North Koreans who are honestly as much victims as anyone else.

    One columnist suggested a moratorium on nuclear and missile tests. Lets just freeze the status quo, North Korea doesn’t have to give up nuclear weapons yet but they stop these nuclear and missile tests and freeze their capabilities. The US loosens sanctions and gives them some basic aid.

    • jgibbsphd

      All of this and MORE has been tried over 20 years, and it has created what we see today. Do you call that success?

      NK played the world for fools and bought itself time to create and then build several nukes and increase and improve their missiles systems, including ICBM’s. Talk, talk, negotiate, talk, meet, UN, NATO, USA, sanctions, blah, blah, blah has given the world a greater armed and dangerous NK.

      Its like being diagnosed with gangrene in your foot, and because you cannot deal with reality and the painful loss of your foot, you try every pseudo-medical treatment that promises to avoid the loss. As time goes by, you now have to amputate the entire leg at the hip to have any chance of saving your life. The loss is FAR, FAR greater than if you had dealt with the foot at an earlier time.

      Lose 50,000 people or wait and lose 5 MILLION.

  • jisooslisp

    “It is unthinkable that we would allow a tyrannical leader that is literally insane and that is obsessed with destroying the United States to have such a weapon.”

    That’s not what he wants, what the North Koreans want they make it ridiculously clear if you ever bother listening to them. They want reunification of Korea, that’s their holy mission. To them South Korea has never been a rival state but a US colony. Has anyone thought that if the US withdraws troops from South Korea that North Korea wouldn’t have a reason to threaten the United States anymore?

  • chris

    Would Trump really start a war with North Korea just to distract/finish the investigations into the Russian election rigging investigation?

    • jgibbsphd

      What kind of irrational thought process is that? 1) Russia did not “rig” the election, so please get over that denial and delusion. 2) President Trump inherited this mess from the previous Presidents who did not want to make the decision to stop NK from first acquiring nuclear abilities and then producing numerous weapon systems capable of such delivery.

      Geez, what has happened to the ability to independently and critically think in this country?

      Kim Un is testing nukes, about to test another more powerful nuke, launching missiles like the 4th of July, and routinely makes threats of first strike surprise attacks.

      Given this madman’s history, what rational thinking person cannot see where this is all going to end? As if 20 years of delays for nuke and missile development wasn’t enough, some people want to give Kim more time to develop 20, 30 or 50 more nukes and better missiles than the stockpile her already has.

    • socalbeachdude

      Press 3 for electoral meddling! Russia makes April Fool’s jibe at claims it hijacked US presidential outcome with automated phone recording claiming it offers ‘electoral interference’

      The Russian Government has poked fun at claims it interfered with the US election days after Vladirmir Putin said the accusation was a ‘lie’.

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4371304/Russia-makes-jibe-claims-hijacked-election.html

  • Seen2013

    It’s very simple several years ago; China offered dismantling North Korea under the proviso US forces didn’t move along the Korean-Sino border to which the US effectively responded ‘No’.

    Any war engulfing a neighboring Chinese borders have been stated to be considered an attack on China itself, and both Russia and China possess mutual defense pacts with Assad’s Syria and operating against ISIS (Anti-Assad) Syrian Rebels whose leaders as Free Syrian Army states is predominantly manned by ISIS and Al-Qaeda fighters. We saw this very same dynamic in the Libyan revolutionary war that made Benghazi the Libyan Rebels’ capital in which the brunt of the rebel force was extremist factions.

    North Korea owes its existence and continued existence to Chinese aid not just trade. North Korea benefits by being a buffer zone between China and US forces.

    Once war is ignited, the pacts guarantee war expands 6 of 7 continents rapidly, and Russia alone straddles Europe-Asia bordering China.

    Trump’s mistake is believing pressuring one isn’t pressuring the other; they’re already aligned economically-militarily. The only option short of war is restructuring that is to drop vested interests as Biden’s relative who benefits from the Ukrainian Coup, Syria, Iran, and etc.
    But, the purpose behind Trump-Russia collusion political maneuvering prevents precisely that dynamic to acknowledge and recognize buffer zones. War becomes inevitable at that point.

  • mtntrek3

    Matt. chapter 24…… The destruction of the Temple and signs of the end times. Jesus is the Way to the Father and eternal life. : ) . Chris.

  • Bill

    U.S. Jet shot down 10 miles from DC…..news blackout…what’s next……

    • socalbeachdude

      No jet was shot down. That was a crash from a training mission today near Washington DC.

  • jgibbsphd

    Wrong. This began under Slick Willy’s admin, for I was serving during that time. We war planned an early scenario to AVOID today’s crisis. The admin wasn’t interested then, and even though we estimated “10 to 15 years” for NK to have functional nukes, previous admins desired the delay and deal approach.

    Worked out wonderfully well don’t you think? /sarcasm

  • dlewenz

    The fact of the matter, is Trump and our military commanders have already been in high level talks with South Korea and Japan. A strategic plan is in the works and yes China will have a seat at the table. Trump is no fool nor one to make mistakes in starting a war, that would have global fallout as the nuclear type.

  • socalbeachdude

    Kim’s latest rocket test ends in fiery failure: North Korean Ballistic missile spins out of control and plunges into the ocean

    A North Korean test of an extended-range Scud missile ended in failure after it flew just 40 miles before suffering a malfunction that sent it spinning into the ocean, analysts have said.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4382716/North-Korea-tested-new-technology-latest-missile.html

  • socalbeachdude

    The US did not give North Korea any technology for nuclear weapons at any time.

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  • LIZ THE SHIZ

    nothing to see here folks, move along , go back to your mobile devices FAKE NEWS , the deep state has this covered and maintain the status quo

    • Bill

      The supply of sheeple continues to grow exponentially…..

  • Carl

    This life here on earth is so short. Why spend time worrying about what may happen? Did the North Korean civilians in the 1950’s know their numbers were up when the US bombed the country taking out 20% of the population in 3 years? The first batch no, the rest possibly had an inking their numbers might be up.

    Think about the millions that have been slaughtered both civilian and soldier in wars throughout the ages. All had hopes, dreams, simple ambitions or desires that every single person on this message board can relate to.

    Empires and conquest require blood. Keeping your status as a super power in this world demands it. Even in life we are forced to constantly keep reinventing ourselves or else we become obsolete and no longer able to compete to a decent home for ourselves and our families.

    It is tiring. To have to keep trying to keep up and get by. To always have to gain by someone else losing. And someone is always losing even if you don’t see it or pretend not to see it.

    We are divided by labels. Democrat, republican, liberal, conservative, straight, gay, christian, muslim, main stream media believers, alternative news worshippers. All fighting an invisible power when we should all be turning to each other for help not taking sides.

  • riftcliff

    We are far from ww3…who will follow US? SK, Japan, OTAN, UK, NZ, Aus, Can,…all because US/NK permanent state of war? Hardly. US alone only blitzkrieg minor states. NK have prove to US she is not minor but medium then significant damage can occur even US winning. Valiant ones, as US is it, avoids that

  • Seen2013

    “If you don’t want me posting just say so & I won’t come back!”

    If you can’t state a position and why, it amounts to the same as not actually posting a reply.

    “Why do you keep hitting me with these stops for approval?”

    In other words, you have multiple accounts that I’ve previously blocked for precisely the inability to state a position and why?

    • retired22

      That message was for Synder & not meant for you.
      At that point I thought he was going to knock out my message.

      • Seen2013

        Consider, North Korea invaded South Korea during a military drill for invading South Korea shortly after meeting with the Soviet Union who then sat on their hands, and it was the Chinese who counter-invaded the US when for all purposes the US won the war forcing the stalemate today.

        I’m more worried about the propaganda purposes that North Korea’s blustering is meant to achieve; than, his actual blustering. The fact is the South Koreans-US can’t stop doing the drills especially as North Korea does theirs, and we sure as heck can’t just invade without China interjecting that is an entirely different animal.

        Ultimately, it couldn’t hurt to see if the South Korea unifying the Korean Peninsula is still possible, but it’s the price that concerns me most. Alliance shifts don’t come easy after decades of a status quo, and it doesn’t seem forthcoming thus far.

  • the one

    Ha ha ha… CNN report? Fake news!

  • CAaT

    Kim Jong Un is a B!TC# and he is going to s#!t himself when our troops pull him from a hole in the ground just like they did with Sadam Heusain. That fat little retard needs to be tied to a ships anchor and tossed into the waters off Fukushema, Japan.

  • The Real Farmer

    CNN report? That stopped me right there. CNN has proven they are clueless about reality. They are more concerned with bashing Trump than they are telling the people the simple truth. I got a kick out of watching them crash on election night. All their false polls, lies and pure Bee S all crashed.

  • Mikey117

    Wars and rumors of wars.

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