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Scam Alert: Hospitals All Over America Are Wildly Inflating Medical Bills

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Medical Bills - Public DomainThe next time you visit a hospital, it is your wallet that may end up hurting the most.  All over the United States, it has become common practice for hospitals to wildly inflate medical bills.  For example, it has been reported that some hospitals are charging up to 30 dollars for a single aspirin pill.  And as you will see below, some victims report being billed tens of thousands of dollars for a non-surgical hospital visit that lasts only a few hours.  When something is seriously wrong with us, most of us never stop to ask our health professionals how much it will cost to actually treat us.  In that moment, we are desperate and we just want someone to help us.  Many doctors and hospitals take full advantage of this by billing their “customers” as much as they feel they can possible get away with.  It is a legal scam that is bilking ordinary Americans out of billions of dollars every single year.

Over the weekend, the New York Times reported on one case that is a perfect example of the outrageous medical billing that I am talking about…

Before his three-hour neck surgery for herniated disks in December, Peter Drier, 37, signed a pile of consent forms. A bank technology manager who had researched his insurance coverage, Mr. Drier was prepared when the bills started arriving: $56,000 from Lenox Hill Hospital in Manhattan, $4,300 from the anesthesiologist and even $133,000 from his orthopedist, who he knew would accept a fraction of that fee.

He was blindsided, though, by a bill of about $117,000 from an “assistant surgeon,” a Queens-based neurosurgeon whom Mr. Drier did not recall meeting.

“I thought I understood the risks,” Mr. Drier, who lives in New York City, said later. “But this was just so wrong — I had no choice and no negotiating power.”

The practice known as “drive-by doctoring” has gotten completely and totally out of control.

All over America, doctors are popping into surgeries or are stopping by to talk to another doctor’s patients for a few minutes and are charging thousands of dollars for this “assistance”.

It is a morally reprehensible scam that needs to be stopped.

Another thing that needs to be stopped is the practice that many hospitals have of billing patients for emergency medications at a rate that is thousands of times over cost.

For example, just check out what happened when 52-year-old Marcie Edmonds went in to a hospital in Arizona to get treated for a scorpion sting

With the help of a friend, she called Poison Control and was advised to go to the nearest hospital that had scorpion antivenom, Chandler Regional Medical Center. At the hospital, an emergency room doctor told her about the antivenom, called Anascorp, that could quickly relieve her symptoms. Edmonds said the physician never talked with her about the cost of the drug or treatment alternatives.

Her symptoms subsided after she received two doses of the drug Anascorp through an IV, and she was discharged from the hospital in about three hours.

Weeks later, she received a bill for $83,046 from Chandler Regional Medical Center. The hospital, owned by Dignity Health, charged her $39,652 per dose of Anascorp.

Did that hospital actually need to charge that much?

Of course not.

Hospitals down in Mexico only charge $100 per dose of Anascorp.

And anyone that has ever been in for major surgery knows how outrageous some of these hospital bills can be.

For instance, consider the experience of an NBC News reporter that chose to have neck surgery for degenerative disc disease….

Once I got my itemized bill, the grand total was a little over $66,013.40!   That was for a one night stay and a four level vertebrae fusion surgery.  The charges included $22 for one sleeping pill, $427 for one dissecting tool, and $32,000 for four titanium plates and ten screws.

I brought it to Todd Hill, a fee based patient advocate who helps people decipher their medical bills. “The screws in your procedure were billed at $605 a piece for a total of $6050 dollars. We’ve seen those in our past research for $25 or $30,” he said. “In this case, the markup is tremendous,” he added.

One of the primary reasons why so many Americans die completely broke is because medical bills can run up to astronomical heights if you happen to have a terminal illness.

For example, a while back Time Magazine reported on one cancer patient in California that had run up nearly a million dollars in hospital bills before he died…

By the time Steven D. died at his home in Northern California the following November, he had lived for an additional 11 months. And Alice had collected bills totaling $902,452. The family’s first bill — for $348,000 — which arrived when Steven got home from the Seton Medical Center in Daly City, Calif., was full of all the usual chargemaster profit grabs: $18 each for 88 diabetes-test strips that Amazon sells in boxes of 50 for $27.85; $24 each for 19 niacin pills that are sold in drugstores for about a nickel apiece. There were also four boxes of sterile gauze pads for $77 each. None of that was considered part of what was provided in return for Seton’s facility charge for the intensive-care unit for two days at $13,225 a day, 12 days in the critical unit at $7,315 a day and one day in a standard room (all of which totaled $120,116 over 15 days). There was also $20,886 for CT scans and $24,251 for lab work.

The sad truth is that the U.S. health care system has become a giant money making scam, and all of us are the victims.

Those that work in this industry should be greatly ashamed for what they are doing to us.

Just consider the following numbers…

-It has been estimated that hospitals in the United States overcharge their patients by about 10 billion dollars every single year.

-Medical bills are the number one reason why Americans file for bankruptcy.  One study found that approximately 41 percent of all working age Americans either have medical bill problems or are currently paying off medical debt.

-According to a report published in The American Journal of Medicine, medical bills cause more than 60 percent of the personal bankruptcies in the United States.

-Health insurance is not nearly as much protection as you might think.  According to a report published in the American Journal of Medicine, of all bankruptcies caused by medical debt approximately 75 percent of the time the people actually did have health insurance.

-Hospitals are not shy about sending debt collection agencies after people with unpaid medical bills.  In fact, collection agencies seek to collect unpaid medical bills from approximately 30 million Americans every year.

-Back in 1980, less than 10 percent of U.S. GDP went to health care.  Today, about 18 percent of U.S. GDP goes toward health care.

-If the U.S. health care system was a nation, it would be the 6th largest economy on the entire planet.

Does anyone out there have any doubt that the system is completely broken?

Please share this article with as many people as you can.  Hospitals all over America are brazenly ripping us off, and we need to stand up and say that enough is enough.

  • hero

    My wife went to a Japanese hospital to get X-ray & the bill was about $100 without insurance.

    In Hawaii, it cost $600……X-rays have been around 1900 & it’s hard to fathom how expnese the technology is.

  • DesertPaine

    The best reason to have assets in trust.

  • K

    When money is all that matters, this is what you get. It does not matter whether you are talking about hospitals, or banks, or used car salesman. There is no right or wrong, only profits. Once we were at least somewhat human. Now nothing but Ferengi.

  • Coffeedrinker

    Your best strategy is to avoid falling into the Medical Industrial Complex by maintaining your health through prevention.
    The Medical Industrial Complex is designed to snag you, hook you up to a machine and suck the life out of you at the same time the Complex sucks you dry of all present and future wealth or assets.
    At the end of your session (your life) they disconnect you from the machine very quickly to make room for the next unlucky individual that falls into the net.

    • Richard

      True. The Healthcare system is broken; The Financial system is broken; The Representative government system is broken; The Educational system is broken; The Retirement system is broken; The Judicial system is broken; – I know I’ve left some System out that’s broken, but you get the picture. America is Broken.

      • Understanding 18

        Very well said. Please don’t forget that i’m broken because everything in America is broken.

        • Richard O. Mann

          It’s the end of the world as we know it. The prophets knew what they were talking about.

          • Understanding 18

            They sure did and people hated the Prophets for speaking the truth. Jehovah God and Jesus Christ will soon deliver us from these wicked people. 2 Timothy 3rd chapter is definitely fulfilling itself.

        • Richard

          Amen. We are All broken to some degree Understanding. This why our Hope must be in something beyond this present World system. Mine is in Jesus Christ alone.

          • Understanding 18

            Amen. My hope and only hope is in God and his Son Jesus Christ who is coming back for us…..I know it will be VERY soon. The current system that we know is coming to an end and Jehovah’s everlasting system is firmly laid in place.

        • peace angel

          WHICH is why Americans are Expatriating by the millions every single year.

          • hoIoh

            I thought you said you blocked me?

    • apeiron

      That’s been my strategy coffeedrinker.

    • Firstgarden

      The new Matrix.

  • ScotA

    And none of it matters.

    Hospitals need money to run, but they’re forced to provide service to everyone including those that can’t pay. Where is the extra money going to come from to support those that can’t pay?

    Either those that can pay are made to pay more in inflated bills, or those that can pay will pay more in taxes to subsidize care for others.

    There’s no free lunch. Someone has to pay more or someone must lose care or both.

    • hhabana

      As a health care professional, I believe folks are going to revolt against this and I’d rather have a socialized system. The thing is that Americans want to spend money everywhere else in the world on wars or other lunacy and have been brainwashed by our Romanesque politicians. When I get complaints from folks about the cost of medicine, I tell them to call their legislators and quit voting for the same one each election. They shrug their shoulders. You reap what you sow.

      • TheSkeptic

        It’s a never ending vicious circle when it comes to health care costs. Before we fix the problem we have to pinpoint exactly where the cost increases are coming from. Cost increases are an area that for some strange reason, nobody really wants to discuss.

      • Orange Jean

        My understanding is that some of those countries that have socialized medicine also charge as much as 50-75% in income taxes to cover the costs. Are you personally willing to pay that much in taxes to support that type of system? I know I’m not!

      • Tony Binca

        That would make perfect sense if our votes were counted. They’re not.

    • jace

      “Hospitals need money to run, but they’re forced to provide service to everyone including those that can’t pay.”

      That my friend is a fallacy. Just look at their bloated pay structure for the administrators, etc and see where they money is really going. Plus hospitals only have to treat life threatening illness and sickness. They are required to stabilize you and if you have a surgery you need but it is not life threatening I guarantee you that they will not perform this surgery if you don’t have insurance. Not to mention the salaries of doctors who many think are gods and deserve hundreds of thousands of dollars in income. Most doctors I have met are lazy and uninformed and would be better served working in fast food so they do not hurt people with their incompetence and ignorance.

      Plus an illegal coming in for a cold (as they so like to use as an analogy) would not cost the hospital more than an office visit.

      Also it is NOT just the uninsured who are deadbeats it is also the insured who make comments like…my $500 a month insurance premium should entitle me to a 100,000 surgery with no further out of pocket, etc….

      We all skew this to benefit ourselves and our families but the truth is we all want something for nothing or as close to it as possible.

      The question we need to ask ourselves is what is morally right and immoral when it comes to the sick and weak in our population. I think the golden rule should come into play here and you should want exactly what you would want for someone you loved and cared about and nothing less.

    • Tony Binca

      Hospitals should have never been allowed to become for-profit institutions. Physicians historically have made little money and been in the profession to help people, not make a fortune. That has changed in the last 100 years or so. Take the profit motive out of health care and we will get better care for much less money.

      • Guest

        You would have to lower medical school costs and institute lawsuit reform to lower malpractice fees. There are still non-profit hospitals. I currently work for 2 one is for and the other non. I cant stand the for profit one and am leaving. The non-profit it more patient centered and willing to get patients what they need versus giving them so-so care and sending them on their way.

        • Gay Veteran

          malpractice is pennies compared to the monopoly that is today’s medical system

          • Guest

            Have you actually read up on what people are able to sue doctors for and get away with it! Have you looked into what it costs health systems and medical professionals to have malpractice coverage? Have you seen the number of extra tests done to cover a doctors a$$ from having a patient or their family sue them? Have you been to the hospital and seen how many families put their 80+ yr old loved one through hell and force doctors to do all means necessary to keep them alive? I don’t agree with the cost of what is billed but when you look at all the unnecessary BS and costs that anyone in healthcare has to deal with its no wonder bills cost so much.

          • Gay Veteran

            The number one problem in the medical field is MONOPOLY.
            go read about it on Karl Denninger’s website

    • purrsun

      An Atlanta-Journal investigation disclosed that area hospital CEOs were receiving 2 – 4 million in yearly compensation. How about starting There??

  • Joe in OH

    Meanwhile Zeke Emanuel, one of the Obamacare authors, was on TV Sunday morning to let us all know that age 75 is a good time to die. We’re all pretty much useless and prone to illness and low quality of life after that according to Zeke.

    • TheSkeptic

      A good time for “us” to die. Not old Zeke Emanuel. We have a gilded class in this country which needs to be liquidated in my humble opinion.

      • Tony Binca

        Lined up and shot sounds good.

    • Tony Binca

      I’m sure Zeke’s attitude will change quickly when he is, let’s say, 74 years old…

      • TheSkeptic

        His attitude has already changed. Do you, or anyone else, really believe that they will subscribe to the logic that they impose upon others? The people who authored the so called “Patient Affordable Care Act,” will be getting chemo, dialysis, and insulin till the day they die.

  • Mudpie

    I used to think that medicine was an honorable profession. And in many ways it probably used to be.

    But no more. I have seen so much physician and healthcare related sleaze the past two decades it blows the mind.

    I do not know the answer. Prison for fraud might be a good start.

    • Toes

      How about getting to the core of the problem which again needs to be tracked back to the money. We need to get back to teaching truth in the medical schools across the country. Truth that good and proper nutrition is the best medicine. We need to demand that at least half of the time our physicians in training spend, is spent on nutrition. No nutrition courses, no MD at the end of the day. It’s that simple. Our med schools have become whores and fat lobbyists for the pharmaceutical and medical device industries. Follow the money.

      • Rob Thomas

        I believe you are incorrect. One should take control of one’s own health, including nutrition. It’s not the doctor’s responsibility to educate you on nutrition.

        Additionally, there other health professionals, like nutritionists that could be consulted before trying to blame doctors.

        • Toes

          I think you misunderstand the big picture. You do make a great point about educating ourselves on an individual level. Of course the great majority of people won’t invest themselves like that. As you stated, they want the doctor, who has no idea about the best choices for healing(nutrition), to prescribe something that will make them feel better instantly, will help them lose weight without giving up their diet soda. The reality is there is no money in it for the doctor to truly help patient achieve and maintain health, but there’s a tremendous amount in it when they are continually coming back to him. I agree we should be relying more on nutritionists, but the people would rather swallow a little purple pill than a well prepared and seasoned purple beet.
          The big picture is that the AMA will make more money on sick people who are getting sicker from prescription drug toxicity, than they will prescribing organic vegetables. They cannot patent these.

          • Rob Thomas

            I think you misunderstand the big picture. Sure there are a lot of things that can be improved with every level of the medical profession…. and I agree with a lot of what you state.

            However, the rampant and growing health epidemic re:cardiovascular, diabetes, etc. is the fault of the patient… not the medical profession. Doctors are forced to treat the symptoms because the patient has tried to abdicate his/her health decisions to the medical profession. The doctor is at the tail end of the health food-chain in many cases… i.e. treating a disease or a developing disease that could have been prevented by the patient making better health choices along the way.

            It’s the responsibility of the individual to “own” his/her health choices… including nutrition.

            Your argument supports the ever too present notion that’s it’s “Not My Fault” mentality of the American psych.

          • Toes

            Rob, I think we are on the same page, I guess my “big picture” does involve patient choice and responsibility as well. This is such a complex problem at many levels, and it will take many of us working together to affect real change. Here is my first comment from yesterday on this piece, you may have missed it:

            I am in healthcare, and work in the Pharmaceutical industry as well as retail. However, that never stops me from personal research and self education on integrative medicine, and complementary approaches to suit an individual patients needs. So while I get the point of this article, and it does raise a lot of questions that definitely need to be addressed, I am absolutely not ashamed to be in this field.

            Shame should lie with those individuals who have voted for obama, who have backed Obamacare, and who don’t think far enough in advance to know that the best value in healthcare is investing in great nutrition, including organic foods, supplements, minerals, and vitamins. Also, exercise on a regular, but not intense basis, and getting proper restorative sleep each night (7-9 hours). You say, “I can’t afford that.” So how is it you can afford to pass on the outrageous bills mentioned above to your family, and then tax payers and other consumers when you and your insurance company cannot pay them off? That’s shameful. We need to wake up in America and start taking “full” responsibility for our individual “healthcare”. We need to start demanding that our physicians in training get the vital courses on the value of nutrition as the best medicine, and less costly in the long run. We need to start demanding our healthcare exchanges, insurance companies, and whatever else Nancy Pelosi tells us is in Obamacare actually starts covering real and useful preventative medicine products, and not simply synthetic ultra expensive pharmaceuticals, and medical procedures and surgeries at 60%. Now this would be real and significant change that we could all derive hope from.

        • peace angel

          FOR a couple of hundred years American doctors used a lot of nutritional and homeopathic medicine UNTIL the US CABAL made it against the law to use these practices and because Americans LET them do so.

          There were no nutritionists until the past couple of decades. Doctors NEED to learn nutrition because that is where everything begins, but what they learn is to ONLY use RX drugs filled with toxic poisons and the Americans LET them.

          FOR decades the US has killed, jailed and destroyed the careers of and run out of the country ALL the doctors with a homeopathic solution to medicine.

          When I was living in Cali in the 70’s there were 8 doctors who came up with a CURE for cancer using apricot seeds. ONE of these doctors was the brother of my boyfriend at the time. THE FEDS destroyed all their careers and put all of them in jail.

          I have known of many other cases just like this one. MH17, the false flag plane shot down by the US over Ukraine—- was full of doctors and scientists who had a CURE for AIDS, which was originally manufactured by US bioweapons labs and so they KILLED them all on the way to announcing a CURE for AIDS at the annual AIDS convention.

          THERE are whistle blowing doctors from the New England Journal of Medicine and the CDC right now who will likely end up dead who are saying everything they say or print is a FAT LIE.

          • Rob Thomas

            Read my comment below, it’s the doctor’s fault. their hands are tied. You are going after the wrong person in this crime against humanity.

            The doctors don’t need to learn about nutrition… the patient needs to learn about nutrition. The doctor has enough on his plate.

          • peace angel

            NO you read my comment below because I have far more insight into the RX epidemic in our nation and no doctor is FORCED to hand out poisonous RX drugs or give TOXIC and POISONOUS vaccinations to unsuspecting people. AND mine is NO witch hunt. I come to you with FACTS and links to FACTS.

            Do you not see the lawsuit commercials that run 24/7 because of the poisonous drugs handed out by doctors here in the US? WHO is tying their hands?? THEY are NOT allowed to even police each other. THEY are not accountable to anyone UNTIL a lawsuit is filed.

            THEY claim to be the ALL KNOWING ones and they know nothing about the RX drugs they hand out or the brain washing they endured in school and how propagandized they are after college.

            BUT I KNOW and they SHOULD KNOW THE TRUTH.

            And YES, they need to know a whole lot more about nutrition. THE doctor only has on his plate what he alone puts on his plate after his/her residency.

          • Toes

            This is spot on! I am a pharmacy doctor by training, and currently work in the pharmaceutical industry, but also in retail pharmacy regularity. So my perspective over the years is pretty broad. In my role with PhRMA, I regularly meet with physicians. In my role in retail pharmacy, I regularly communicate with them on therapeutic choices. One thing I have learned from many of them, at least the honest ones is that in their 16 semesters of med schooling, they are only required to take one semester of pharmaceutics. Think about that. Pharm Ds are required to take at very minimum now, 12 semesters, I think nurses even have more than 1 semester. A great majority of MD training now goes to diagnostics. One reason being lawsuits, the easiest way to sue is due to mis-diagnosis.

          • peace angel

            THANK YOU MUCH.

            I have been fighting this battle and the tons of lies out there like I said since my niece’s life was destroyed by a vaccination and I am sick of brain washed DOCTORS especially.

            THEY KNOW nothing about these drugs or nutrition or of all the poisons in our food sources.

            My brother was a twenty year drug rep for Wyeth before they were Wyeth-Ayerst and he went to years of classes and NEVER learned any of this stuff there either long before we all began to get educated.

            Are you in the UK?? YOU sound British a little bit.

            I have a great friend for years who has been coming here from London for thirty years and once I asked him what is the very biggest difference in our countries, already KNOWING there are many.

            HE answered very quickly. HE said all the commercials that push RX drugs on the sheep in the US—– followed by the lawsuits from attorneys because of all the poisons in the RX drugs.

            HE said “and I have seen the same drug being advertised for sale that attorneys are already suing for and the RX drug is still on the market.”

            TODAY there is still a lawsuit pending over asbestos in our dry wall in our schools from decades ago. THEY never took the asbestos ceilings and walls out of the schools or the lead in the water—-instead they added the poisonous fluoride to the water nationwide and Americans just got sicker.

            WE are the sickest nation on earth number ONE for every single mental or physical disease or disorder known to medicine and still the sheeple BELIEVE.

          • Toes

            Peace angel, I am in the states, but work for a company based in Europe.
            I do think more and more people are starting to wake up about the sickcare system and are starting to seek out advice and therapy from complementary and alternative sources. We have a global supplement mail order company that does hundreds of millions of dollars in business annually right in our little town of 200,000. It started back in 1970 as a little mom & pop. Another beautiful thing about going to NDs and supplement stores is they do not take insurance, so hence are not controlled by anyone wanting to manipulate things. Seems they are doing quite well, I see the tide turning.

          • peace angel


            I can see it on my page but do not know if you can. I have some really good up to date proof of what I am saying.

      • Rob Thomas

        A further comment… the doctor’s hands are tied. Example: if a doctor tried to put a patient on a ketogenic diet to combat high triglycrides and low HDL… he could be written up and possibly lose his license for not prescribing the standard Rx to combat the problem. So, he is forced to recommend a cholesterol lowering statin drug. The drug companies are the whores… not the doctors.

    • Quittingis Gaining

      In ancient Egypt doctors who couldn’t “cure” their patients were murdered.

  • DJohn1

    I think the best solution might be to do away with the American Medical Association as the provider of doctors in America. To do that we are going to have to put together a quality licensing program and make all these doctors re-qualify for their license to practice medicine.
    We are going to have to flood the market place with doctors as well. That means opening up medical schools and paying people to become doctors. The reason is they have way to high an opinion of what their services are worth. With more doctors comes more responsibility towards the patient. It is a rich man’s field right now. With many 2nd and 3rd generation doctors involved in the field.

    There are more than one kind of medicine in the medical profession. There is the surgery profession. It is rank with the stink of people doing it for money, worshipping money over helping people, and doing all kinds of unnecessary surgeries. Billing high amounts of money for what is really less than a day’s work in most cases is a complete ripoff.

    There is the drug profession that handles most illnesses with drugs instead of professional lifestyle changes that would do the same thing. There is a drug fix for every illness out there. Trouble is it seldom cures anything. It does make the symptoms go away. Diabetes is a case of cash cows in point. They have people for a minimum of about $75-$100 minimum for the rest of their lives.
    On top of that are all kinds of drug tests every year.
    I say at least type II should have been cured at least 25 years ago with all the money put into researching it.
    So what we have is a few very dedicated people in the doctoring profession and a whole lot of greedy bastards that are in it only to keep those cash cows going. It is all about the money for a lot of them. We have to change that.
    What good is it to cure someone at the cost of everything they have worked for their entire life. Well that is Medicine in America. Very few if any countries in the world put up with it.

    • Orange Jean

      You said some things I agree with (especially unnecessary surgeries) … however, I have a brother with Type I diabetes who would have been dead at 14, within a few days of his first diabetic attack (very severe high blood pressure) if they hadn’t diagnosed him… and he wouldn’t live more than a few days without insulin. His blood sugar has continued to fluctuate wildly, it’s not easy to control… but now in his 50s, he uses an insulin pump, and has had better luck with that. So yes, it costs.

      The other type of diabetes (Type II) can be controlled by some people with changes in diet, yes. Not everyone though.

      And whatever do you mean by “professional lifestyle changes”?

      • DJohn1

        I am type II. I have glocose levels all over the map normally.
        Anywhere from a low of 85 all the way up to 500 at times. I am on 30/70 insulin twice a day. So like your brother, I too have to watch everything very closely.
        There have been some very carefully buried advances in diabetes knowledge in the last 5-10 years.
        !. The pancreas does not reproduce islet cells. SO nothing done there will reverse diabetes.
        What they did find was the islet cells do reproduce in the spleen. Then those cells migrate over to the pancreas. Anyone that has had their spleen removed will be a type one diabetic within a year.
        2. A lady doctor in a lab in Canada discovered a “cure” for type II in mice. It is just a glimpse of a possible cure. She found that the substance in hot peppers reversed it in certain mice.
        She flooded the pancreas in these mice with this substance and they went normal in days.
        She is on an 11 million dollar grant right now to explore this. Next to nothing was ever said in the news after the initial discovery.

        The business of sticking your finger has advanced so you can do it on the less sensitive arm. But we are still using sticks to measure blood sugar. Why? Because they make a lot of money doing that.
        We have had the technology to put a sensor in your arm that will be totally painless and measure it every 10-20 minutes and send a signal to a unit you wear If it goes below or above a certain level it sets off a silent alarm(vibrator in the unit) or an audible signal.
        The tech is being withheld by the Medical People because they will lose a fortune in prescribing glucose sticks if it is ever released.
        I mean by “Professional Lifestyle Changes” that we should work through a diabetic professional and change everything that goes into our mouths.
        For instance, cinnamon is known to reduce blood sugars. How much and when is the information most people need. It varies by body weight.

        We take it in coffeee and tea.
        Panax Ginseng is a different but parallel substance to aspirin. The difference is people on Panax Ginseng extract live a lot longer.
        It is not a steroid. But it has steroid type properties. That means to you and me that it just about doubles your stamina body wide. It gradually accumulates in your body. Stay off the aspirin if you take it long term. That means less amputations from poor blood circulation. That also is being withheld from public information.
        I am no doctor. I recommend you consult with a modern up-to-date doctor to treat any disease. Not just some stooge for the Prescription industry. There are many over the counter substances that the drug industry has been attempting to take off the market for years now through the FDA stooge institute.

        Recently a heart doctor came out with a recommendation I am following. He suggests that modern wheat is the cause of a lot of type II. He recommends a wheat free diet for everyone. The book was called Wheat Belly.
        It does reduce blood sugars to stay off the wheat products. Though how you manage to do that is tricky as half the food in the grocerry is made with wheat products. It hasn’t stopped the basic problem of sugars going high when you eat wrong.
        What it does do is gradually reduce the amount of body fat that accumulates in anyone over the age of 24. That is when your growth hormone goes south.
        A lot of us gained that belly by drinking beer. I no longer drink anything alcoholic and haven’t for at least 10 years. Jesus is good to me I prayed it away years ago.
        Not so easy with everyone though. Addiction is a strong devil.

        My own family doctor has a brother with type II. So he does keep up with most everything going on the field. He is a general practioner in his late 50s. I will lose him soon to retirement I am sure.
        He also is a victim of the pharmacy indoctrination given all doctors. He has in the past tried to put me on several drugs that after I researched them, I said no. I do follow Dr. Mercola on-line because he has been far in advance of the medical community in spilling the beans when a drug isn’t what it is supposed to be.

        Several of which are the subject of massive lawsuits today.
        I am too gabby.. As usual this is way too long. For that I apologise.

        • Coffeedrinker

          Take a breath and speak on. I am listening.
          I to have had to become my own:
          1. food producer (gardener)
          2. auto mechanic (car fixer)
          3. doctor (natural methods health practitioner)
          4. tradesman (electrician, plumber, cement worker, tile setter)
          5. ….
          because it is difficult to find honest, reliable, and affordable help, products, and services in the above areas.

          • DJohn1

            I, too, have become those things. Though I stay away from the cement where possible.
            I have noticed a definite effort on the part of the engineers to make it impossible for you to fix cars. Things like putting the alternator and starter in awkward places to get to without a garage with a lift to work with.

            The mechanics use hydralic wrenches to put things on so tight no one can break them loose but themselves.
            So the effort is to keep us from becoming independent of them.

        • Orange Jean

          Well that’s a lot of interesting information – but also a lot to absorb! I don’t have diabetes myself, but I have a number of other conditions that put me into the medical system way more than I’d like. I do try to be careful who I see, make sure they aren’t prescription pad crazy (I seem to have bad side effects from a lot of things now).

          I do think physical therapy helps a lot of what ails me (mostly severe arthritis and degenerative disc disease, but also lymphadema), but it’s very time consuming.

          I am fortunate that my health insurance does cover quite a bit of PT visits, which I’ve found more helpful than most things… the main exception is I have high co-pays for a lot of things, and for example custom made compression stockings which I need for the lymphadema aren’t covered well at all (2 pairs a year, when I need 4 or more…. and they cost me $400 a pop for what is not covered). I’ve had months when my medical expenses for co-payments along were over $500, and total around $6K a year.

        • Orange Jean

          Also thanks for answering my question on what you meant by professional lifestyle changes.

        • JacqFlint

          Research organic, virgin, cold-pressed coconut oil if you haven’t already.

  • VegasBob

    These medical billing scams will continue until all antitrust exemptions that benefit the healthcare industry are REPEALED. These exemptions date back to the Reagan era, when hospitals were first required to treat patients for free if they could not pay.

    That’s right – medical providers can submit these outrageous billings because they can legally collude with each other to fix prices, and they can pad billings so that paying “customers” subsidize nonpaying “customers.” And they can charge different “customers” difference prices for the same service.

    Insurance companies often settle these inflated medical “charges” for pennies on the dollar. But heaven help you if you don’t have insurance! You get stuck with responsibility for 100% of the inflated charges, and then you wind up in bankruptcy court.

    And guess what? Obamacare does absolutely NOTHING to address the problem of inflated medical billings! It simply keeps the scam going by forcing people to obtain expensive “insurance” coverage.

    • Orange Jean

      I agree with you totally!

      But I think an important thing to remember also is that much of this is because of “socialism”, which is exactly where the notion came from that require hospitals to treat everyone irrespective of their ability to pay.

      Now consider for a moment:

      What do you think the price of gas would be at the pump if every gas station was required to give free gas to people who claim they can’t pay, including people in this country illegally?

      Free oil/natural gas or electricity for every family who says they can’t pay for it?

      Or the price of groceries, if every grocery store was required to provide free food for anyone who walked in claiming they don’t have the money for their groceries?

      Or the cost of clothing for every place that sells clothing if they were required to provide free clothes for anyone who said they can’t afford to pay?

      Or the cost of universities for every one that was required to pay for everyone who walks in off the street demanding free education because they say they don’t have the money to pay for it?

      We all become suckers when we fall for this socialism trap… or too many of our fellow American’s do, and elect those who support this iddea.

      You didn’t really think Obamacare was going to help did you?

      • gfmucci

        We all love “free stuff” until the robbery that makes it free comes around and bites us.

      • jace

        In the old days before the health insurance companies got involved the cost of health care was reasonable and a person could pay their bill in a year or so (depending on income) without having to go bankrupt.

        If the bills are overinflated anyway and a person goes bankrupt on a million dollar hospital bill the hospital still gets the shaft on payment so where is the logic and reasoning for this practice?

        There is no such thing as free education because tax payers are paying for it.

        Nothing is ever free it is just subsidized by someone with deeper pockets.

        Letting someone die because they can’t afford treatment is morally wrong. Many people will pay if given a chance to make reasonable payments. It boils down to character and throughout history you have always had the scammers and deadbeats. That will never change. But why make it that much harder on those who want to pay but now are put into the position to pay an unreasonable amount because of the deadbeats? This is wrong.

        • Orange Jean

          I don’t believe in the old days there were rules requiring hospitals to treat everyone coming into the ER (including for many non-life threatening medical concerns). Part of the problem is some of those who go to an ER for free care aren’t so ill they could die. I’ve been in an ER, waiting my turn… and overheard patients getting free care for a cold/the sniffles (asking for free cough syrup), hardly a life threatening condition.

          Also in the old days we had public health hospitals, which are practically non-existent today (if any still exist I’m unaware of them). My understanding is the public health hospital in LA was closed due to being overwhelmed by the number of illegals using it with no compensation. I also know in Orange County the public hospital was overwhelmed by the number of women giving birth who were Mexican citizens who just popped over the border to have their babies, gratis but who actually lived still in Mexico. This info I got from the Orange County demographer – who was having difficulty figuring out the true birth rate for Hispanics.

          I used to work for Boston’s Dept of Health and Hospitals, they closed the last public hospital there in the 90s. They made a “deal” with Boston University to build a Medical Center that is for profit but who promised to continue a certain amount of community based health care (no guarantee they actually did that).

          Public health has basically gotten out of what they call “direct care”. That’s what in the past could have more appropriately been used as a low cost health care option for severe or contagious diseases for those who could not afford to pay.

      • rach

        I don’t know Orange Jean I think if your Jesus was alive today he would be considered a socialist.

      • Tony Binca

        You make interesting points, but who decided that anyone should pay for oil which is in the ground and should belong to everyone? Who decided that we should pay for education? The entire US economy is based on money created out of nothing and lent to us at interest! Who gave these bankers the right to charge us for money that our government can print at zero interest? Socialism is certainly not the answer, but neither is the crony capitalism that reigns supreme here in what used to be America. The people can and should be served without giving control of everything to a govt beaurocracy (socialism), or giving control to corporations who bribe govt and write all the laws (fascism). Maybe we should consider deeply the precepts that our founders enshrined in our constitution and get back to these values by firing everyone in current government and starting over. Massive nationwide strikes and boycotts could accomplish this quickly if people would put aside self interest and work together. Helping one another is not socialism.

        • Richard

          Agree. However, the People are Doped Up by the System. They will Neither throw the Bums out, nor strike and boycott. Apathy and Ignorance Reign. If one still has a reasonable semblance of his lifestyle pre 2008 (Apathy) or is receiving Guberment handouts since 2008 (Ignorance) – Where is the Impetus to DO either of the Above?

          • JacqFlint

            You hit the nail on the head, Richard. Most people won’t be motivated to do anything until it’s too late: No food on the grocery store shelves (ration lines), no gas at the gas pumps, etc. THEN they’ll react, but it will come in the form of large, angry mobs. Of course, this won’t accomplish anything because, without clear, reasoned, directed action, the effect is only chaos. That chaos would beautifully play into the ‘plan.’ I fear there isn’t enough time to complete the first step toward a solution, which is education=awareness at critical mass. The constant assault of mind-numbing ‘data’ is the perfect foil.

          • Richard

            I could not agree more. God bless.

        • VegasBob

          The problem is a Federal Reserve system that is unaccountable to anyone. I think zero percent interest rates and rampant money-printing (AKA ‘quantitative easing’) are keeping the economy sick and preventing a real economic recovery.

      • VegasBob

        I opposed Obamacare because it added mindless complexity and MORE administrative costs to the healthcare system and it did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to restrain costs.

        On balance, I expected Obamacare to result in a DECLINE in the quality of care, though the jury is still out on that hypothesis.

    • Hammerstrike

      Actually, Obamacare is designed to INCREASED the scam, it likely will allow them to inflate the medical billings even further…

    • Gay Veteran

      AMEN!!!!!!! Have anti-monopoly laws apply to every aspect of medicine (insurance companies, hospitals, doctors, drug makers, etc) and the cost of medical care would drop by 80%.
      Impossible? No, go to Karl Denninger’s site and read about the cash-only clinic in OK

      • Hammerstrike

        Anti-monopoly laws helped bring down the monopolies but the monpolistes remained at large.

        This time they made sure it can´t be settled with laws and elections.

  • Kent Harris

    The medical profession does not care about us. They are only in it for the money. It is not just an American problem but a worldwide problem. You go to a foreign country and if you want a procedure they will say pay under the table or be put on a waiting list and that is with insurance.

  • Ray

    It’s about time this has been brought to the table, I have been battling this healthcare system for awhile now.
    We pay 500 dollars a month for insurance and these greedy hospitals and Doctors still want more. Even my GP has changed over the last few years, she is always looking for that co-payment now even if it’s just to come in and get refills for my thyroid meds which they won’t do ever anymore over the phone. I know she is billing my insurance almost 200 dollars a visit also, it makes me sick. Recently she has merged with a big hospital system and I don’t think it’s entirely coming from her but none the less.
    Over the last year I fight back by ducking co-pays as much as I can and being vocal about how much I already pay but you have to be careful, they will ban you in a second and that renders you not being able to get a doctor in that network which in my area would mean I would have to travel a lot more.
    Any time I am in a hospital I notice the arrogance reeking off the the big wigs and Doctors.
    All the American Nurses and low level medical workers had better keep on watch, they will out source you to when they get more greedy and fly in 3rd world nurses and dorm them up for a far less cost when their greed grows more they are already doing it big time in IT here, I have brought them from the airport when I drove shared vans.

  • DeadManFromIndia

    free market has failed in this case. Any solutions ?

    • kfilly

      Health care isn’t free market. The government is pretty heavily involved. Who do you think allowed creation of things like HMO’s through legislation? I’ll give you a hint. Nixon signed the legislation.

  • Tom

    I think if we want to see the costs come down, we need to move away from the current health insurance set up to a cash system. Why don’t doctors and hospitals post a list or menu of services they provide and costs? The patient could then shop around in most cases and save some money. It would generate competition and force prices down.
    A doctor could post the cost for an examination and diagnosis, let’s say Upper respiratory infection could be $50. Another doctor in town may charge $45. Another may charge $60.
    This could be done online so people can get information and compare ahead of time.
    Just a thought

    • apeiron

      There’s a cash only doctor in my town. “Insurance not required or accepted”. The basic office visit is $40.00 & go from there. His overhead is low as he needn’t maintain a staff to deal with “insurance”. It’s him, A nurse practitioner & a receptionist. He has an itemized price list of services. These sort of clinics are allowable under ACA, look for more to be popping up as doctors tire of spending their days “administering/managing” rather than doctoring.

      • Tony Binca

        I hope this catches on, it’s a very good idea and I wish I could find this in my area.


    Everyone is in on this scam. My wife went to the hospital for “tests”. She stayed overnight. Nothing was wrong. The bills were still over 20K! This was a blatant fraud! We have Medicare and the supplement. Without that, it would have caused great problems. God help anyone without insurance. It is for this reason that medical bills are the leading cause of bankruptcy in America. Obama Care only promises to make things worse. Look for a surge in medical tourism. What is the answer? I do not know. I do know no one can deal with bills of this magnitude unless you are Larry Ellison. The system continues to fail us. It just may be better to be poor. If you are Middle Class you are shlub and a target. What a World!

    • jox

      Where do americans go for ‘medical tourism’?


        Mexico, India , Thailand. Tijuana is very popular in these quarters. You have to separate the quacks from the professionals though.

    • swampwiz0

      So would you prefer replacing ObamaRomneyHeritageCare with Medicare For All? If not, STFU!


        No need to be rude. All I am saying is we need a system that people can afford. A system where you do not flirt with financial ruin just because you need it. How about this. You pay 3,5 or 8% of your income. You get a card. You can go to any doctor, any hospital, get any drugs. You have a copay and that is it. Expensive? Certainly, but a country that can wage endless wars of liberation can redirect those expenditures and take care of the people.

        • Guest

          You should also add lawsuit reform so that malpractice is less which would also drive down health costs

          • XSANDIEGOCA

            Excellent idea.


    Wait till Amnesty! You ain’t see nothing yet. When a third of Mexico moves up here with all their pathologies, the levee will break IMHO!

    • Hammerstrike

      Soon enough, the half of Mexico already in the United States will begin to move back to the motherland.

    • kenfrombayside

      The reason for this invasion is simple: most Americans remain silent, don’t vote, and spend a disproportionate amount of time engaged doing nothing, like watching NFL football. Contact your US Rep and 2 Senators; get to the polls to vote against the traitorous demRATS; return fundraising letters saying you will not give until the border is sealed and our unique Anglo heritage saved; prepare your meals and do your own gardening; go to NUMBERSUSA to send faxes to our alleged leaders; and join real immigration reform groups such as FAIR. Our enemies are at war with us, and we have to fight back. If you say or do nothing, you are part of the problem…..

  • Hammerstrike

    Ouch, the baby boomers sure are in a lot of troubles!

    • JacqFlint

      Double ouch! Our children and grandchildren can look forward to worse troubles!

  • grumpyhillbilly

    During my mom’s final years, I sat in plenty of doctor offices and listen to the staff talk. Got bad news for you. Doctors have been doing this for years. Why do you think offices are closed Friday? The docs flock to see their hospitalized patients they are no longer treating. They’ve been ripping the system off since the inception of health insurance. Its why I have no sympathy for them as they whine about Obamacare. Its primarily their fault for this current mess. OK … secondary behind the government-insurance fascist machine.

  • Black

    I love driving by the $8k month luxury nursing homes/assisted living facilities full of the semi-old people whose careers peddling life insurance for 25 years has entitled them to their cushy retirements. Wait till we’re old, we’ll all be living in cardboard boxes

    • Firstgarden

      And get charged property tax for our cardboard castles.

    • Guest

      A bit jealous are we??

  • patriot alice

    It’s been broken for a very long time in every way imaginable. All of these comment are spot on. The question is what can we do about it? Impose limits on the whole medical profession, from A-Z.

  • jakartaman

    The Government is our Enemy.
    The solution is to cut the Federal Government by 4/5ths and give the power back to the states. Our centralized Government is out of control and way way too powerful.

    • GSOB

      The solution is Christ and His coming Kingdom coming.

      Past present, future – forever.

      There is an evil reality that we some how participate in.

      The bible tells me to work out my salvation in fear and trembling fore it is God who works in me the willing and the doing of His good pleasure.

      Imagine that.

      A God that created my free will can turn it to His intentions in my life….

      Yes, each one of us are free and have free will. The point is?


      Proverbs 21:2

      (to turn the heart is the property of deity.)

  • Firstgarden

    Medical Mafia.

  • Toes

    I am in healthcare, and work in the Pharmaceutical industry as well as retail. However, that never stops me from personal research and self education on integrative medicine, and complementary approaches to suit an individual patients needs. So while I get the point of this article, and it does raise a lot of questions that definitely need to be addressed, I am absolutely not ashamed to be in this field.

    Shame should lie with those individuals who have voted for obama, who have backed Obamacare, and who don’t think far enough in advance to know that the best value in healthcare is investing in great nutrition, including organic foods, supplements, minerals, and vitamins. Also, exercise on a regular, but not intense basis, and getting proper restorative sleep each night (7-9 hours). You say, “I can’t afford that.” So how is it you can afford to pass on the outrageous bills mentioned above to your family, and then tax payers and other consumers when you and your insurance company cannot pay them off? That’s shameful. We need to wake up in America and start taking “full” responsibility for our individual “healthcare”. We need to start demanding that our physicians in training get the vital courses on the value of nutrition as the best medicine, and less costly in the long run. We need to start demanding our healthcare exchanges, insurance companies, and whatever else Nancy Pelosi tells us is in Obamacare actually starts covering real and useful preventative medicine products, and not simply synthetic ultra expensive pharmaceuticals, and medical procedures and surgeries at 60%. Now this would be real and significant change that we could all derive hope from.

    • Firstgarden

      True, but there’s HUGE money in treating symptoms and not going after causes. There’s no money in organic apples.

      • Toes

        First garden, I guess that’s my point. But I see too many people responding like you. “Oh well, that’s just the way it is now. We can’t do anything about it. The government and large corporations own us. We need to just go along. Lay down, chirp about the problem a bit, an hope it corrects itself. Good luck with Hillary in a couple of years. I’m sue she’ll make all of the right moves.

        • Firstgarden

          Hillary? Such language! 🙂

          I appreciate your optimism. However, without a great national awakening, the sheeple masses will remain asleep. If enough of us were to deprive the Medical Mob & Pharmaceutical Mafia of their spoils, by going back to nature, it certainly would make an impact.

    • Black

      We have the most expensive healthcare system in the world because there’s lots and lots of money to be made!

    • jace

      Working for big pharma you should be ashamed. Plus politicians will NOT fix this. They are the reason there is so much corruption in health care today. You know the old I take care of my friends and associates mentality.

      Plus the medical establishment will NOT teach correct health and nutrition because their bread is buttered by the very people you work for.

      Everything comes down to money. Most people only care about themselves and their own families. The heck with everyone else, right?

      • Toes

        Nice try jace, flattery will get you nowhere.

    • Orange Jean

      In my line of work (epidemiology) we tend to call big pharma … the “Dark Side”. You can make bigger bucks working for them then working in public health, but I don’t know many people willing to do so.

      One of the more interesting books I’ve ever read is “Good Medicine/Bad Medicine” – outlines a lot of the problems with FDA approved medication system… and was written by a lot of experts (including several former FDA pharmacy and drug research people).

  • jace

    It is disgusting to take advantage of people and their families when they are at their most vulnerable and weak.

    Perhaps a sign on the patients door stating that ONLY YOUR DOCTOR will get paid during the hospital visit. NO Pop-ins allowed.

    If you are uninsured the bills are 3000% higher than those with insurance coverage.

    People brag about how great are medical system here is in the US but to me it is a disgrace and a model of greed and evil. Anyone working in the billing department of a hospital should be ashamed of themselves because they help keep this gravy train rolling along.

    If our country is so much better than all the other countries we like to mock and bad talk then why are the citizens treated so poorly when it comes to trying to stay alive and live for their families?

    This sickens me so much.

  • Mike Smithy

    Next time you go to the hospital, just tell them you are from Mexico and demand to be seen for free.

    • smallergovnow

      no oblo…

  • Daystrom2012

    Scam Alert: Hospitals All Over America Are Wildly Inflating Medical Bills

    This is new news?

  • jox

    In general I am for the free market, but in health care I prefer clearly the public and free healthcare we have in Spain. It has its defects, of course, but doctors and nurses are busy treating you, not billing you or cheating you.

    There are private hospitals also, but as they are competing with free ones (and quite good), the private ones have to maintain a high service/cost ratio .

    I know americans like to disregard everything public and europeand as “socialist”, but in the case of healthcare, I believe the public system is better.

  • Rudy

    Do you know what they call the physician that graduated last in his class?

    • liberalsaretotalexcrementnewol

      Q: do you know what they call an effeminate piece of garbage liberal?
      A: an effeminate piece of garbage liberal

      • Gay Veteran

        Q: do you know what they call an effeminate piece of garbage conservative?
        A: an effeminate piece of garbage conservative

  • I have to have a stress test for my heart. Normally, I would meet with the Dr. after the test. This time, I have to make an appointment to see the Dr. the next day. When I asked why, I was told it was for insurance reasons. Right. I get it. The insurance company wants another billing date.

  • greanfinisher .

    Hospitals are deluged with tens of millions of the jobless, the drifters, the welfare recipients, the poor, the overpass tenants, the homeless, the hobos and the vagrants thanks to Obamacare. Consequently, what is happening with the vastly inflated medical bills is that you are subsidizing those people’s health care.

    • lacy

      These people have always been and always will be a fact of life. So what is your solution for this? What about self employed people who are barely making it and can’t afford heath care or don’t want to go on Obamacare?

      It just seems that the deck is always stacked against someone in not only our society but all societies. You better hope you are one of the haves and not a have not.

      • liberalsaretotalexcrementnewol

        you better continue to lick the communist_cock

      • greanfinisher .

        I should think that the repatriation of the millions of good paying manufacturing jobs that had been exported out of the country (courtesy of crony Washington politicians) would be a good beginning to that end.

  • Charlie

    I work in a hospital. Healthcare is the new transfer of wealth mechanism destroying the middle class. A large portion of the population refuses to work, but are very adamant about their “right” to medical treatment, for free. Someone has to pay for it. Anyone who is surprised had their head in the sand when Obama-Care was being rammed down the throats of Americans.

    • swampwiz0

      I would be happy if you were to die soon.

      • Charlie

        Seeing the violent reference in your comment I think you are probably a liberal who enjoys spending other people’s money will feeling entitled to it. Pretty on target, huh?

  • liberalsaretotalexcrementnewol

    the solution is Soylent Green

  • Raymond Jensen

    Be brave. Die with your boots on, not in a hospital bed, bankrupting your family. You’re going to die one day anyway. Get right with God and then go when He calls you.

  • Steve

    I went Thursday 9-4-14 to a walk in clininc by my home (carespot, formally Solantic) for a bad cough that just would not quit. my co-pay for the visit was $130.00, I was diagnosed with Bronchitis. I was given three prescriptions, 1-antibiotic, 2- cough exptorants. The total was $61.00 So for $191.00 and a week off work you would think I would be cured….NOT. Still got the cough except now I have a runny nose. I called the clininc to see what we could do. Guess what they said???? Come back, Pay another $130.00 and perhaps the doctor can prescribe me a stronger anti-biotic. I have decided to take massive amounts of Vitamin “C”, drink more clear fluids and save some money in the process. As for my primary care physician, next available appointment was just over two weeks. That visit would have cost $65.00 and YES I have insurance (if you call it that) through my employer (Cigna).

    • Steve

      Forgot to add this – The location I went to closes at 8:00 p.m. I get off work at 7:00pm. I walked through the door at 7:35 p.m. I think I was rushed through so people could leave on time. I would like to have seen my PCP but due to the wait time and my growing concern of this horrid cough I went to the walk in clinic route. Makes me wonder just what do people without insurance do?

    • Orange Jean

      I think you’re on to something with the high dose Vitamin C. I’ve actually gone for over 10 years without a single cold doing that!! Got a cold last year briefly, but first in over 10 yrs.

      • Dave Jenkins

        Zinc lozenges, preferably with Echinacea… along with your Vitamin C.

  • Priszilla

    There is only one solution. Stop this scam. Stop obama care. And let those who can’t afford to live in three jobs die in the street.

    • GSOB

      Look at the HX of the VA

  • JohnB

    This country is simply breaking apart in every possible way.

  • retired22

    I am a diabetic,have been for 4 years!
    I have Medicare & backup insurance & I haven’t seen an endocrinologist in 3 years,haven’t used prescription medicine in 3 years.What’s the trick? The trick is preventive medicine,herbs,supplements & home remedies from around the world that have been successfully used for thousands of years!How do I know what to do?I find out by using the internet.
    The theory is simple,if you keep your body & immune system healthy you won’t be at the mercy of the MD’s to begin with.
    Once you allow your health to go past the tipping point & you get seriously ill they have you.Mainline medicine at this point uses harsh measures to keep you alive a few more years,at exorbitant prices,& you pass away leaving your family destitute!

    P.S. If you need to have voluntary surgery & can get away for some time & your insurance covers it try having it done overseas.
    My advise (which I follow myself) is look into alternative medicine & ….Good Luck!

    • Firstgarden

      Excellent post! Right on. Only, don’t get too big a following or we may find you mysteriously disappearing on us one night.

    • JacqFlint

      Kudos! You probably already know this, but organic, virgin, cold-pressed coconut oil is excellent for normalizing blood sugar & insulin plus more. It’s an extremely health-giving food.

  • peace angel

    Several years ago I began looking into expatriating from the US and in doing so I was amazed to learn how CHEAP health insurance is all over the world compared to the US.

    And in all these other nations many of which were third world ALL the doctors were trained in first world English speaking countries. ALL the facilities were full of English speaking providers who were using top of the line modern equipment and doing top of the line procedures.

    Most of us know that you can live in hundreds of countries for far less than in the US, but the number two reason people expatriate is because of health care costs. The number one reason is that the US is duping everyone and has been for my 6 decades on the planet and today we are a police state in which everyone who does not go along with the duping will be locked up. In the past two years Obama has fired hundreds of high level military officers including 8 Generals who refused to “go along” with the plans of the NWO.

    In Ecuador EVERYONE can pay only $150 per month for full coverage health care and that price covers ALL medical bills for life including RX drugs, hospital stays, major and minor surgeries, maternity and HOME visits from a doctor. One must ask HOW the crap does the US charge what they charge. BECAUSE Americans are the “go along” people. THEY have lost their once great nation to thieves who exist in every aspect of their lives. THEY own the food supply and RX companies and oil, gas and electricity and all the banks and mortgage companies and insurance companies and hospitals and prisons and court rooms and LEO and the schools and THEY have been ripping off Americans forever—-with absolutely NO push back. NONE

    NO ONE said a word as they were putting the ranchers and farmers out of business in the 80’s and 90’s and when they shut down all the manufacturing in the US and sent tens of millions of jobs out of the country or when they grew the tax code to 70,000 pages.

    Americans have been bending over to the Shadow gov. who run the US for the past two hundred years and who continue to dupe all Americans and steal from them and lie to them and NO ONE is doing anything to stop them.

    AND I don’t believe anyone EVER will push back. IN my opinion the ONLY fix is to STOP paying them. STOP paying taxes until they fix it all. BUT that won’t happen because 90% of Americans DO NOT KNOW that all of this is happening.

    • Firstgarden

      When is your book coming out? 🙂

      • peace angel

        Did I say I was writing a book?

        • Firstgarden

          T’was but a jest.

        • Dave Jenkins

          I would buy your book. Not joking either.

          • peace angel

            I do get that a lot from people who KNOW me over the past 6 decades.

            Everything I know politically can be found on Before It’s News the whistle blower and insiders compilation underground news site.

            THEY are actively killing people who are TRUTHERS today whereas when I used to submit articles to Rolling Stone and Playboy in the 70’s on the Illuminati and the NWO the FBI came to find me. THAT was never easy as I lived in 50 cities, towns summer and winter resorts in 17 states and lived in Mexico three times.

            NOW they just crash my hard drives. THESE people are very dangerous. I am getting out and not looking back.

  • infowars

    I’m a Doctor (non-surgical), most of us have no idea how much our billing costs. We bill in the computer, that then goes through the billing department and makes it to the patient usually through an insurance company. The idea is that the treatment team focuses entirely on the patient via medicine and not finance. Our health care system (better known as a disease management system) is totally broken. The morale of health care workers is horrible, especially at big city hospitals. What you have is a scam run by a bunch of insurance companies/government and the health care administrators – the business folks that run the hospital. Once upon a time, physicians could give about a third of their care as charity care-back when the dollar was worth something. We are burdened with student loan debt that takes 10-20 years to pay off. Think 250k, with interest. Now try to pay that off when you have to pay all the taxes (shrinking middle class), get married, live in a home, have a car to drive to work. If I wasn’t a debt slave, I would leave this profession. The people who matter most in the ‘health care industry’ are the patient and the Drs and RNs, and they aren’t happy. The only people who are ‘happy’, are the insurance companies and the administrators who are in bed with them.

    • Firstgarden

      Good post. Thank you for sharing.

    • K2

      I was thinking the same thing. More than the doctors its the ‘owners’ of the hospitals and insurance/govt that decide how much a pill or a surgery should cost in hospitals. Doctors are merely ’employees’ in hospitals, unless they a part in the hospital.

      • K2

        unless they ‘own’ a part in the hospital.

  • GSOB

    The more money changes hands, the more your medical information is shared…the more you spend.

    Don’t you get it? It’s called patient privacy.

    Uncertainty in the market… why not increase prices and get whatever gained?

    Big brother is grabbing 1/6 control of the US economy with the affordable care act. Still getting it’s open arms around it with a trillion dollar annual deficit.

    The IRS scam is worse.

    IRS has no way of proving who files who’s taxes on line.
    People getting less concerned about getting caught.
    Identity theft is a business then to squeeze whatever they can, wherever they can – just like big brother.

    It is a morally reprehensible scam that needs to be stopped.

    People….Psalm 62:10

    Luke 12:15

  • joe

    Yeah…. my wife’s c-section resulted in 5 separate billings by 3 different Anesthesiologists … The person who wanted to know my wife’s weight charged $1600 to ask that question.

    I won’t say which hospital it was at, but it Rhymes with St. Puke’s in POverland Park KS.

  • gertie

    And then there is the current mania for hospitals to buy up private physician practices, whose offices then are designated part of the hospital, and they pile scammed bill upon bill upon bill, for the simple office visit, or your annual electrocardiogram.

  • Dave Jenkins

    An excellent investment : a book titled “1,801 Home Remedies” compiled by Readers Digest. Get it on Amazon or eBay.. and avoid hospitals as much as you can. Take care of yourself and eat right !

  • Nightnurse

    I have worked as an RN for over 25 years and have seen health care changes for the worse during this time. Because of the threat of lawsuits, physicians feel it is required to do very expensive testing (CT scans, MRI, etc) just to cover their butts. I work in an ICU and the ridiculous lab tests and Xrays we do on a daily basis are mind boggling-some are definitely required for diagnostic reasons but the vast majority are done needlessly-the same results day after day for weeks.
    Not to seem cold hearted, but we often admit patients who are in their 90’s, “live” in a nursing, contacted into a fetal position and covered with bedsores and in the final stages of a chronic disease such as Alzheimer”s , cancer, kidney failure (requiring dialysis). And we do everything technologically possible to keep them alive for a few more days or weeks, all at the cost of at least $10,000/day and most often causing unnecessary pain and loss of dignity. No one can is allowed to die anymore. Just because we have the technology to prolong life doesn’t mean we should.
    The hospital where I work is an inner city facility, meaning approx. 1/2 our patients are getting free care (just an educated guess) and contrary to popular belief, we provide the same care to all our patients-insured or not.
    Just an aside for my own cause-as much as the cost of insurance, medications and test have risen, I have not received a raise in over 6 years…as a matter of fact, I made more money per hour 24 years ago than I do today!
    I am not even going to get into Obamacare except to say take care of yourselves by proper diet, exercise and herbals because health care, which is really sickness care, is not anything a sane individual would want to get involved in!

  • Thiagarajan TVS

    Dear Michael,
    We are so educated that we don’t like to educate ourselves
    further. We have pet theories and thoughts to be impervious
    to the sources that can educate us well. Until we remain
    open-mined to cure the ills and illnesses, our pains and
    problems will not lessen. The thought of “we know all”
    should be abandoned., and should be replaced by another
    thought “desire more”!
    To give an example, garlic is a potent herb capable of curing many illnesses but our MNCs will not allow this herb to be
    consumed by men and women alike. Three to four pods
    of this herb can be used as a prophylaxis daily.
    Also, as a creation we are not without medicine in us!
    When we move into the New Age through the actions
    of God now , doctors and hospitals will be a rarity!
    Our education is poor to understand our own creation.
    We don’t need scientists to do research on this. We can do ourselves!

  • TexasOlTimer

    We didn’t need our insurance “fixed” so everyone could afford health care. We needed the “health care” system fixed so people could afford to go to the doctor.

    This has been going on for decades. Back in the ’80s, I was in the hospital overnight for a single test – had no need for the plastic bed pan and other plastic items that were in it and sealed together with handiwrap. As I was preparing to leave, the nurse handed it to me, saying you might as well take it, you’re paying for it. I didn’t take it but it was on my bill – some $50 as I remember it. This may not sound like much today but this was in 1980 dollars for something that probably cost less than $10.

  • Swannyww

    My doctor stopped taking my insurance carrier, so I asked how much an office visit would be because I wanted to keep him as my doctor. No one could give me an answer.

  • Luis

    My son was diagnosed with cancer a few years ago. After our nightmare in the PICU, when he finally made it into the pediatric oncology clinic, the doctor at times would come in for 5, maybe 10 minutes and then bill us for $295 dollars. When he had dental work for his cavitites at the same hospital, the doc spent about 7-8 minutes per filling and then billed us about $400 per filling. The real shocker came in follow up care when after a year of being off chemo they insisted on my son still getting quarterly CAT scans to monitor any potential problems in case his cancer should return. We refused to keep bombarding our son with harmful radiation and as a result were threatened by the docs in the clinic in writting that if we did not continue on with CAT scans they would call child protective services on us and get them involved. Fortunately we were able to transfer his care to another hospital where our new doctor completely agreed with us that CAT scans were no longer necessary. Yes, the system is broken. It’s part of a trend I’ve noticed… everyone it seems ones to make a killing. No one wants to want to put in a hard days labor for a reasonable wage anymore.

  • Kelleigh Nelson

    The reason they have to OVERcharge is because they’re forced to care for illegals and indigents who cannot pay, so we pay for them through these unconscionable higher charges…thank the Congress because they’re the ones that voted decades ago that no one could be turned away for lack of insurance. Ask yourself why all the hospitals on the southern borders have closed their emergency rooms or have closed the entire hospital. It’s because they went bankrupt. We all know their are 50 to 60 illegals in our country today, if not more…despite our congress criminals stating 11 to 12 million, and these people are fully taking advantage of all the free giveaways the Congress and president have voted to give them. Sadly, the American worker is paying through the teeth and it’s only going to get worse. There is no one in Congress who has the guts to stand up against this wealth redistribution. What I’d like to know is why the millions of doctors in America aren’t revolting!

  • Dan Hanner

    Cashing in on Obamacare!

  • FortuneSeek3rz

    You want to live? Pay up!

  • Where’s the love?

    I’m from Canada. I had my sister’s children for their vacation from Australia two weeks ago. One of them had a persistent and severe cough (bronchitis). I ended up taking him to hospital. They wanted $450 just to register him. That doesn’t include any testing that they would order. I said no and walked out. I took him to a reputable walk-in clinic ten minutes away. They saw him immediately and charged $40 for the visit and test. Medical Industry vs. real doctor. Real doctor wins every time.

  • JailBanksters

    Is it a scam is it greed?
    As long as somebody else is paying for it (Insurance) they can charge what ever they like. Without insurance people wouldn’t go unless it was about life or death, so to attract more customers you would drop the prices. Insurance doesn’t make repairs cheaper, it makes them more expensive. Same goes for Health, Cars or House.

  • danbax

    Eat a plant based diet , drink clean water and do effective exercise and everything will be fine. Learn by reading and watching videos about gerson, esselstyn, and dr blaylock.

  • Cindy

    It has been awhile since I read your blog but this post hits home. Recently, about 8 months ago I was rear-ended by a driver who was hit by a very drunk driver (her BAC was .33). My jeep was destroyed (grand Cherokee…..the frame was bent) and I suffered a herniated disc at c4-5. My medical bills totaled approx., 25 thousand dollars and it wasn’t until I got 2 cervical epidurals that I got life back, notwithstanding residual spasms and minor aches that get resolved with my home traction unit. I know you have a back ground in law and I did get a lawyer.

    Just recently, I feel off my bike and hit my head on the road pretty hard. I was not wearing a helmet but because I got banged up pretty bad I went to the ER to get a cat scan to make sure there was no bleeding in my brain. That bill was 10 thousand dollars.

  • Cindy

    Highway robbery it is just like the fragile Weimar Republic before Hitler came to power. You could bring a wheelbarrow of Deutschmarks to the store and couldn’t even get a loaf of bread!

    We all know where this is headed……….collapse!

  • Bruce

    Before long some idiot will try to justify these cost. Referring to the hgh cost of tuition or this and that. The bottom line in there is “NO” way to justify these cost. It is GREED pure and simple. In fact, it is so outrageous I will not even listen to any differing opinions!

  • kenfrombayside

    The reason for this invasion is simple: most Americans remain silent, don’t vote, and spend a disproportionate amount of time engaged doing nothing, like watching NFL football. Contact your US Rep and 2 Senators; get to the polls to vote against the traitorous demRATS; return fundraising letters saying you will not give until the border is sealed and our unique Anglo heritage saved; prepare your meals and do your own gardening; go to NUMBERSUSA to send faxes to our alleged leaders; and join real immigration reform groups such as FAIR. Our enemies are at war with us, and we have to fight back. If you say or do nothing, you are part of the problem.

  • Quittingis Gaining

    Another BIG part of this vile system of NATIONAL ORGANIZED CRIME is the personal involvement of hospital contracted doctors..the ones who come with the admission. They get paid through the hospital’s generic bill (the one you get first) and then after four or five addendums to the original bill, you will get another bill, this time for the staff doctor. THIS IS USUALLY ILLEGAL, although I am convinced most people are so destroyed by then that they simply pay it because they don’t want to know any more. But I happen to know it is illegal through the Medicare system and most likely, through other insurances as well. I am sure it is illegal with Obamacare. Some have referred to this as “balanced billing”. But true to the Orwellian nature of language today, it sounds like the OPPOSITE of what it is, which is EXPLOITIVE, ILLEGAL, and socially PSYCHOTIC extortion. ALWAYS ALWAYS confront your hospital when this happens, put your credit agencies on alert for fraud and burrow this one down. If you are persistent enough you will find out everything I said is true, and you are NOT liable. MEANWHILE PUSH PUSH PUSH FOR SINGLE PAYER HEALTH IN AMERICA, while we still have anything to preserve…

  • Sadly this has been going on for a long long time and no end in sight. Just try to talk about the price ahead of time and see where that will get you!

  • Stay healthy, exercise and give your body the nutrition it needs and everything is fine!

  • Really has gotten out of hand and making everyone have insurance will only make the problem worse!

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