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Shocking Video Of Howard Dean Declaring That It Is The Job Of The Government To Redistribute Our Wealth

In the shocking video you are about to watch, Howard Dean declares that it is the job of the government to redistribute our wealth.  Not only that, he says it in such a way that indicates that he believes that such a notion should be obvious to anyone with half a brain.  Well, while it is true that the United States has become a highly socialized nation, the reality is that this is not what the founding fathers intended.  The founders intended for us to live in a land where we would have enough freedom and enough liberty to be able to work hard and enjoy life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.  They did not intend for a gigantic federal government to take huge amounts of money from one group of people and give it to another group of people.  In any nation where a large scale redistribution of wealth is happening, the incentive to work goes right out the window.  Pretty soon you end up with an entire class of people that have learned how to “make a living” by being a parasite of the government, and that is not good for any economy.

If our founding fathers were alive today, they would be horrified by what we have turned into.  In 1816, Thomas Jefferson wrote the following….

“To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.”

The sad truth is that democracy starts to break down once people start realizing that they can vote themselves money out of the national treasury.  In fact, that is a very large part of what politics in America is all about today.  Politicians are constantly promising what they are “going to do” for various groups of people.

Benjamin Franklin once stated the following….

“When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.”

Not that our founding fathers were against charity.  In fact, they believed in it very much.  It is just that they did not believe in repressive taxation by a huge national government and they did not believe in large scale redistributions of wealth.

With all of that in mind, watch this shocking video of Howard Dean declaring that it is the job of the government to redistribute our wealth….

Obviously Howard Dean envisions an “America” that is very different from the one that our founding fathers intended.

But does that mean that all government welfare programs are bad?

Of course not.

In fact, if we were to cut them all off today we would have millions of people starving in the streets.

A very large percentage of Americans today don’t even know how to take care of themselves.  If we pulled away all government support all of a sudden there would be chaos and anarchy in the streets.

The sad reality is that we have tens of millions of Americans that are now deeply dependent on the socialist system that we have established.

Unfortunately, this is what socialism does – it turns people into pets of the government.  Our society should be teaching people to be self-sufficient, but instead we are teaching people to allow the government to take care of them from the cradle to the grave.

So does that mean that our founding fathers would be in favor of the rampant corporate greed that we are witnessing today?

Of course not.

As I have written about previously, the founding fathers were against all large concentrations of power.  During the Boston Tea Party, it was the tea of perhaps the most powerful corporation in the entire world at the time (the East India Trading Company) that our founders dumped into the harbor.

If you study early American history, you soon come to realize that corporations were generally very limited in scope and size for many, many years.  The era of the giant corporation is relatively new, and our founding fathers never intended for our society to be dominated by gigantic international corporations.

So when the Democrats argue that we should give more power to the federal government and the Republicans argue that we should give more power to the big corporations they are both wrong.

Our founding fathers did not intend for our federal government to have nearly so much power and they did not intend for big, wealthy corporations to have so much power either.

Fortunately, many Americans today are getting back in touch with those principles.  There is a growing dissatisfaction with the size of government, and according to Gallup two-thirds of Americans are now dissatisfied with the size and influence of major corporations in America today.

However, it is one thing to discuss the finer points of political and economic philosophy, but it is another thing altogether to deal with the reality of tens of millions of people that cannot feed themselves.

As I have mentioned many times before, there are over 43 million Americans on food stamps today.

So what are we going to do with all of them?

Allow them to starve?

Almost 53 million Americans receive Social Security payments.

What are we going to do – cut off Social Security and watch millions of elderly and disabled people freeze to death in their own homes?

Of course not.

But we have got to start swinging the pendulum back in the other direction.  Right now one out of every six Americans is enrolled in some kind of anti-poverty program run by the federal government.

How many Americans being taken care of by the federal government will be too much?

One out of five?

One out of four?

One out of three?

Eventually the entire system crumbles when there are too few people still willing to work hard.

If you ever get the chance to visit a communist country you should.  You will notice that nobody really works very hard.  That is because there is no incentive to work hard.  Very little real wealth gets produced and everyone suffers for it.

So does that mean the U.S. system works?

Of course not.

What we have in the United States today is not real capitalism.  It is more aptly called “corporatism”.  The big corporations and the big financial institutions have accumulated an absolutely stunning amount of economic power and over the decades they have gotten the government to tilt all of the rules of the game in their favor.

In America today, it is really hard for the average person to start a successful business.  The big, powerful international corporations that dominate our economy are everywhere.

So most Americans today have to rely on working for an employer.  Unfortunately, the big employers have started to realize that they can make much larger profits by shipping our jobs overseas.  That is really bad news for the U.S. middle class.

Well, can’t we just tax all of these big corporations like crazy and even everything out?

Unfortunately it just does not work that way in today’s global society.

As I have written about previously, the ultra-wealthy and many of the biggest corporations have figured out how to “minimize” their tax burdens.  While you and I are being taxed into oblivion, the global elite have figured out how to move their money around to escape taxation as much as possible.  In fact, it is estimated that today approximately a third of all the wealth in the world is held in “offshore” tax havens.

Ultra-wealthy individuals and mega-powerful corporations can call just about anywhere “home” in today’s global economy.  That is just the way the world works now.

In order to “tax the rich”, you first must get legal jurisdiction over their money.

Our tax system has become entirely unfair and it simply does not work.  The whole thing needs to be scrapped.

But as we discuss tax policy, there are tens of millions of Americans that are living in poverty.

So what are we going to do about the growing number of Americans that cannot even feed themselves without government help?

Well, the truth is that what they really need is not more handouts.

If you give people handouts, they will just need more handouts tomorrow.

No, what all of these Americans really need are good jobs.

Unfortunately, there are a whole lot less good jobs in America today than there were ten years ago.

Our politicians have stood by as the giant corporations have moved thousands of facilities over to places such as China and India where they can legally pay people slave labor wages.

Since 2001, over 42,000 U.S. factories have closed down for good, and that number is going to continue to increase unless someone stops it.

But nobody is.

Virtually all of our politicians are just standing off to the side with their hands in their pockets.

So now we have 19.3 percent of the workforce that is either unemployed or underemployed.

Our entire economic system is breaking down.  Millions of Americans families are scrambling to find some way to survive.  Over the past two years, U.S. consumers have withdrawn $311 billion more from savings and investment accounts than they have put into them.

Other Americans are going very deep into debt because they don’t have any other options.  When they finally can’t keep up with all the debt, many of these families are losing their cars and their homes.

We are in the middle of an economic nightmare that is absolutely unprecedented.  “Redistributing the wealth” would just be like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic at this point.  It would not fix a darn thing.

When our politicians promise that a little “change” here or a little “tweak” there will get our economy back to normal they are lying to you and most of them know it.

What we need is a comprehensive overhaul of our entire economy.  Basically what we need to do is to go back to the blueprint (the U.S. Constitution) and essentially start over.

But most Americans are not ready for that.  Most Americans are still enjoying the tremendous prosperity that the biggest debt binge in the history of the world has purchased for us.  Most Americans still do not believe that an economic collapse is really coming.

But a massive economic collapse is coming.  This whole thing is going to come crashing down and it is not going to be pretty.

  • VegasBob

    I am all for abolishing the system of socialism for the rich that controls the Federal Government. Republicans ought to face the fact that the wealthy use their control of the Federal Government to accrue more wealth to themselves, leaving only the crumbs for the formerly middle class.

    If we stopped the socialism for the rich, then we probably would not have to listen to the “spread the wealth” nonsense that comes from the political left, because without the backing of the government, it would be very difficult for people to become mega-millionaires and billionaires.

  • Richard

    Capitalism, properly functioning, causes capital to become concentrated in the hands of a decreasing number of individuals, irrespective of those individuals industry. It creates inequality by design. It is inherent in the mechanism of capitalism, and an outcome of property rights asymmetry.

    It is a violation of the guarantee of the free exercise of industry and the fruits acquired by it.

    To say that such a violation is horrifying when perpetrated by government, but desirable when perpetrated by the economic system sustained by government, is arbitrary and peculiar.

  • Nick

    If you want to compete in a global marketplace, then you should work as much as the Chinese and make what the Chinese make or less.

    If you want no government intervention, then that’s what is required. Bring your standard of life down to the Chinese levels.

    Any other solution for “good jobs” requires government intervention, subsidies, government protectionism, wealth redistribution, etc.

  • Tyler

    Not a Howard Dean fan but he is 100% correct. The government Needs to take $$ for the Extreme rich and give it back in some productive, meaningful way to the bottom 98% who are suffering horrifically from this current depression in the form of lost jobs, diminished skills, lost nest eggs, lost homes and lost dignity.

    The founding fathers are dead- been dead for over 200years. Their bones 6 feet under and rotted. This is 2011 & I do not care a fig what Franklin or Jefferson think on anything relating to the governance of America today.

  • flillor

    This blog usually turns from a nice source of gathered information into slightly ridiculous whenever you try to mix your opinion in. Only an American could have written something as naive as this rant above. Instead of trying to show you how wrong you are lets just listen what Rousseau had to say about this. I would say he is an infinitely more significant thinker than the “founding fathers”.

    “If we ask in what precisely consists the greatest good of all, which should be the end of every system of legislation, we shall find it reduce itself to two main objects, liberty and equality — liberty, because all particular dependence means so much force taken from the body of the State and equality, because liberty cannot exist without it.
    I have already defined civil liberty; by equality, we should understand, not that the degrees of power and riches are to be absolutely identical for everybody; but that power shall never be great enough for violence, and shall always be exercised by virtue of rank and law; and that, in respect of riches, no citizen shall ever be wealthy enough to buy another, and none poor enough to be forced to sell himself: which implies, on the part of the great, moderation in goods and position, and, on the side of the common sort, moderation in avarice and covetousness.
    Such equality, we are told, is an unpractical ideal that cannot actually exist. But if its abuse is inevitable, does it follow that we should not at least make regulations concerning it?
    It is precisely because the force of circumstances tends continually to destroy equality that the force of legislation should always tend to its maintenance.”

    So in a society as unequal as the US is today where all the power and wealth rests in the same few hands, where democracy is corrupted by money, who in his right mind would argue against this.

  • http://mortgageresistanceofamerica.com FrankyFreelance

    The system of checks and balances that the founders of America put in place are gone.

    Without a healthy amount of regulation any economic system will gravitate towards oligopoly/monopoly. On the other hand, with TOO MANY regulations the system becomes a Nanny-State.

    The problem with America is that the system has become too big. Any system will grow out of control at a certain population threshold. Add to this the fact that productivity has not kept up with population growth and you have a recipe for imminent disaster.

    As the system has become more bureaucratic and thus less in touch with the needs of the people the fundamental institutions have declined. Add to this the problems of illegal immigration and you get what you have now – a disintegrating system.

    How can you have such an enormous society without the megalithic corporations which provide the immense amount of goods and service to the population? This is the curse of a large economy. Starbucks, McDonald’s, Home Depot, et. all are merely symptoms of overgrowth. Yes, it is nice to have access to more consumer options than you could ever personally consume – but at what cost?

    The countries which are on the receiving end of all of the migrating U.S. jobs will be in the same position in the future. It is the law of entropy.

    America had its chance to leverage the fruits of economies of scale. Now let us watch as China, India, Brazil, etc. take the torch as the global economy descends further towards absolute zero.

    I urge everyone on this site to try and look at the current situation as a GLOBAL one, not just one where America is the sole loser.

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  • Ivan

    Hi.
    In general I don’t bother much of America but this blog draw my attention so much. Well done. Respect to u! Seems like people are waking up that their country was stolen… it happened in Egypt n Tunisia – hope it’ll happen in Russia n the west/ I do agree that America have too much red tape – bigger than anyone else ever had – I can judge even by my own experience – coz 5 y ago I was denied visa to your country.but it doesnt matter – what i want to write maybe will be of intrest to some

    I did gather that this blog n most of the commentors are kind of conservative

    … but why do u bury “Socialism”???
    We sud look forward n IMHO see new form – it’s all over with capitalism
    As far as socialism – I do see why so many of Americans n westerners spurn it – I lived in west Europe n saw HOW DISGUSTING that healthy people get joblessness money for 20 years!!!!! I saw 60 y old French Germans n brits healthy n strong men n women who never worked n lived on taxpayers money!!!!! But folk – it aint socialism! It is idiotism n degeneratism…
    The other form is radical Trotskyism – westrn teenage fans of it usually abandon it when they have graduated and face reality – coz it is most idiotic ideology in the world along with racism and was set up (by capitalists LOL) only to split left movement in the west.
    IMHO – the socialism in Russian way matched USSR perfectly? As I see Cuban form of socialism matched Cubans – Chinese way of it matched them (though many think it all over there), Venezuelan, Vietnamese etc…
    The idea of Marxists was SURPLUS VALUE is a robbery and private property on means of production is unfair because it makes ones Lords and others (workers) slaves…. western europe set up socialdemocratic parties to mend it – but generated masses of ugly fat faggots n feminists that even people like me wud rather respect US conservatives than 50yearsunemployedslivingonreliefvegetarianfaggottrotskiistsfeminist or english ”socialism” with losts of millionares n the homeless and Labour party with their liders who never laboured
    Like russia which lost their identity after soviet collaple the West is in the terrible terrible trouble (im happy to see that blogd like this appear n people start understanding it) n will have to find their way to built a new sistem…
    IMHO – people MUST base the new sistem on ansestors ideas- so what u say of fathers founders is good – but it will not be enough it seems 2 me– new idea which can attract ALL westners needed – i donno of the USA bout in west europe – i see Muslims they have 5-10 kids n they DO have ideology which is attractive to them all …. it so pleasant to look at them wandering round London n berlin with 10 merry kis round them – and how disgusting to look at 14 yold germanof english faggots who kissing eachother at your sight nearly making love in metro! is it Democracy???? It is a PIGSTY!in one word – !degeneration!
    all the west europe can do now is to draw a cartoon over Mohamed – but what POSITIVE ideology can they propose after they disassembled their christianity? in russia we had socialism and hope we will regain it.

    if the west dont find stuff like that next 20-50 yrs – it’s finished- like antient Rome ans such like

  • http://www.pontoonhouseboatodyssey.com/ Bamby

    I enjoy reading and following your blog here, keep up the faith and your good work….

    I’ve posted the sort of question below a few different places seeking a reasonable explanation of how self induced inflation is good for our “economy”.

    Everything I read states the fear of potential deflation in the economy, and how the Fed is doing everything within their power and the taxpayers pocketbook to keep prices up or even create inflation which they seem to excel at IMHO.

    But then again businesses, politicians, and the population are always expressing that the American Workers are overpaid and uncompetitive in the worlds labor markets. Now I’m realistic and it’s a known fact that the the labor market in other words the worker who actually produce goods and add value to a product are not really getting anywhere as far as increased wages, though their contribution to production (productivity) has actually increased in many cases.

    I’ve also observed that for lack of a better term “the revolving door syndrome” where company’s seem to be doing everything they can to replace existing employees with lower cost entry level employees to reduce their labor costs and increase profits. I know that the working class is suffering from inflation and their ability to contribute to the economy by purchasing any goods and services to support the economy is rapidly eroding away and thereby decreasing demand for goods produced by others.

    So now I’m back around to the actual subject how can you have and intentionally create inflation to ward off deflation and bleed off “the real wages” of the working class in the process and still increase production, growth, and demand. If anything it seems to me a bit of or maybe a lot of deflation would actually be good for the economy where the working class would have some capitol to actually purchase goods thereby creating jobs for others.

    Just what am I missing in this picture.

    Thanks,

  • Lauren

    thank god for blogs liek this ZH and http://www.forecastfortomorrow.com

    I woke up ages ago and my family laughed at me. Now look at what is happening. They constantly ask me at the dinner table for the latest and greatest…I feel like I am living in another dimension. LOL….lol

  • SPECTRE of Deflation

    Lead by example Howard. Give all your net worth to the govt. and go live in a cave to set an example that “we can believe in”. It’s the working poor that give until it hurts you P$$$k, and the super wealthy who think it’s someone else’s job, namely govt., to make things right. Quit spending our money, and get the fook out of our way so that the people who do the real heavy lifting in this economy can move down the track while you power the locomotive with all your bovine excrement.

    You have shown with the quotes of our Forefathers that we were warned repeatedly by them of the banking cartels and their evil ways, yet we never learn from history concerning over reach of all Empires throughout history.

  • Kevin

    “Well, can’t we just tax all of these big corporations like crazy and even everything out”

    “Unfortunately it just does not work that way in today’s global society.”

    Sure we can and previously we have. The time to do it was BEFORE the industrial base fled.

    Todays global society in the trade of moveable goods was a creation of “Free Trade” agreements voted into law in the developing world with the expressed intent of developing nations in the third world. None of these nations had neither a responsibility or in the case of the USA a “Right” to help others at their/our expense. The Preamble which is the “Mission statement” of the USA states “For OURselves and OUR posterity. Not for anyone else, certainly implied not at OUR expense.

    We had Tariffs (Import Taxes) for a couple of hundred years. It worked. It might have kept other nations down not allowing them to use their single greatest asset a huge supply of virtual slave labor but it kept an industrial base with it’s high standard of living here for “OUR Posterity”.

    A by product of the “Free Trade Agreements” is the cause while State and Federal Government deficit spending in the developed world is just a symptom. No longer having the tax base they cannot meet the obligations promised to their citizens.

    People in the US should work in the private sector and not need a handout. You can’t facilitate that by farming out your industrial base or de-facto requiring first world people to compete with a third world labor force with it’s associated ultra low wages.

    Of course the government both State and Federal will have deficits because of the vain attempt to “have your cake and eat it too”. Of course government will spend more on socials programs. Of course any prudent person can see the “just go out and get a job” is not a solution when there are less jobs then the number of people requiring them.

    Ray Charles can see this but Columbia and MIT graduates with grants from foundations funded by mega wealthy proponents of globalization cannot see it. Cherry picking input data they see what they are “told” to see.

  • Libertarian jerry

    “Some people work for a living and other people vote for a living.” FDRs “New Deal” and LBJs “Great Society” were both huge mistakes. Fact is 2/3 of the money spent on the poor doesn’t even go to the poor,but is squandered on waste,corruption and Bureaucracy. Over the last 50 years or so,the average American has been dumbed down to be dependent not independent. The question is not whose wealth should be taken to fuel the system but why should the socialist redistribution system exist in the 1st place. Only private charity not dependency. Socialism is a gutter philosophy that always degenerates into a police state. The only answer is to gradually dismantle the government monster that is bankrupting America. Nobody starves or is thrown into the street,but self reliance must be relearned in America.

  • SPECTRE of Deflation

    This also happens to be the policy of this Administration although El Presidente’ couldn’t help himself when he took credit for extending the tax cuts. Exactly where is Barry’s character in his statements? His Adminsitration is full of looney leftists Hell bent on stealing other people’s money through regulation rather than law as the Constitution requires. Look no further than “Cap and Tax” and the EPA. The schmucks think they can just set law with a wave of the hand like royalty. However, the states are moving to curb all this with the 10th Amendment. 11 states, at this point and more to follow, will require all Presidential Candidates to show they are natural born citizens. The states are also telling the FEDs to fook off concerning the 2nd Amendment. The FEDS can stick their Commerce Clause where the Sun doesn’t shine so long as the transaction takes place between a business and individual of said state. The times, they are a changin!

  • steve

    I enjoy reading your articles, they are right on the money, but I wish you would not use the word democracy when referring to the type of goverenment that the Founding Fathers intended to have, which was a republic. The people need to understand this difference. Thank you.

  • Michael2

    “Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.”
    Thomas Paine

    Frankly, I am of the opinion that government has already done enough damage to the economy. And as the author notes,
    “Redistributing the wealth, would just be like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic at this point.”

    Mr. Dean states, “No its Governments job to redistribute, the question is how much to redistribute, other wise we wouldn’t have Social Security, Medicare and we wouldn’t build roads.”

    He and Mr. O’Donnell are correct Government already redistributes wealth. I think what Mr. Dean is saying is government needs to do a better job of making sure the tax burden is distributed in a more equal manner across American society so we have a “fairer system of redistribution of wealth.”

    I think the real debate lies in what Government’s job really is which goes to the heart of the 16th amendment.

    The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration. http://www.usconstitution.net/constamnotes.html#Am17

    Should Congress have the power to tax at all? Given the fact that it is not working out all that well, I would say an emphatic no is the answer. So maybe the 16th amendment should be repealed altogether and the IRS along with it?

    I would personally settle for a redistribution of law enforcement. There seems to an enormous effort and concentration of law enforcement authority directed at controlling us “little people” or every day average Americans. It’s getting so ridiculous it seems like if one takes a shit, government wants to know the color, amount and if the odor is correct and if it’s not one can go to jail.

    I also think the Drug War has long been way out of control and the results are questionable at best. Government should stop putting people in prison for nonviolent drug offences, start curtailing the Drug War altogether, legalize all street drugs and manage the use of street drugs in a commonsense fashion. Prohibition of drugs is an abysmal failure, as it was with alcohol. Then take those resources and manpower from the Drug War and target and incarcerate the monsters on Wall Street and in the international banking criminal cartel and certain weapons and arms dealers, i.e. “Lords of War”; break up the giant international oligarchies and monopolies, especially the ones centered on the control of natural resources.

    It seems a crash is inevitable at this point but it will not be because there is a lack of solutions. It will be because the powerful, as they have all throughout history, will go too far. And those that suffer under the burden of their yoke will tire of carrying the load, dismantle the yoke and tear the systems of exploitation and oppression down.

  • DeathSpiral

    If you want to discuss redistribution then Senator Sanders from Vermont sums it up:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfrlq36Cq6s

    I’m surprised this video hasn’t gone viral because it really hits at the core of the problems!!

    It’s entitled ‘War Against Working Families!’

  • James

    I agree: the Government needs to “follow the money” and increase taxes on the wealthy. The only problem is that many people think that even fixing the tax system to benefit those at the bottom in any way is “redistributing the wealth”. They are going to argue that taxing the wealthy, no matter how good (and eventually, how necessary) the idea is, means that the Government will spend on social programs.

    Also, we need to look at social programs in depth: which ones are “handouts”, and which ones are beneficial? You mention we have tens of millions on social welfare programs. We have HUNDREDS of millions of Americans. There are a lot of Americans who for one reason or another are unable to work due to mental or physical incapacitation. A lot of effort and money would have to be spent to make them productive, if at all possible (That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t make the effort; we should. But there are those who will immediately declare it a waste of time and resources). And if not, as you said, we can not let them starve or fall ill and die on the streets; that would be inhumane.

    It is true, we have a lot of Americans who think thy can sing or dance (and not really work) their way to riches. We need to change our values. We need to focus on productivity. John Paulson made $5 billion, but is he really worth that much? Did he cure cancer, solve global warming, come up with a clean energy source, get people on the moon or Mars, etc? No, he invested money. How productive was that? Personally (for him), very; for America, not so much. In my opinion, that’s $5 billion poorly spent.

    I guess what I’m saying is that anything that takes more money away from the ultra-rich and is used to benefit those that are middle class or lower will be seen as “socialist”, “unconstitutional”, and “redistributing the wealth”, even if that money is used by the Government to create “infrastructure” jobs. And even if the economy were rebuilt to allow the middle and lower classes to keep more of what they earn and recognize their importance to society as a whole, someone somewhere would want to get as much money out of them as possible and collect the wealth for themselves (after all, isn’t that the spirit of capitalism?).

  • Bobby Smith

    It appears that EC has lost the argument on this one. Thanks Mr. Dean

  • DownWithLibs

    I’m curious, does Dean intend to hand over his wealth to the starving masses? No, just the hard earned dollars of you and I. He talks about everyone being able to participate in Capitalism when he is clearly pushing Socialism. Unbelievable!!!

    So, Gary2 must be doing a happy dance over having a Liberal talking-head in his corner. All I have to say to him is – be careful what you wish for. Who is to determine who the rich are in this country. Lets say the Gov. lowers the “wealth threshold” to $25,000.00. So you make $25,000.00 or more and you are considered “rich” and you are taxed at, lets say 55%. Like I said Gary2, be careful what you wish for!

  • SPECTRE of Deflation

    Bobby Smith, it appears you are as delusional as “Screamin’ Howard. Always worried about taking other people’s money instead of making your own. Typical “ACORN” attitude.

  • http://www.goldstockbull.com goldstockbull

    Right, EC should be pointing out that the gigantic federal government is taking take huge amounts of money from the poor/middle class and giving it to those that are already filthy rich. A nation prospers when the wealth and resources are distributed more evenly, so Howard Dean has the right idea here.

  • John O’Neill

    Amen to Michael2.

  • Jonesy

    You know…Yours has been my favorite website for a year now..but this is the first time I strongly disagree what one of your posts. I strongly disagree with what you post here.

  • http://www.declineoftheempire.com/ Dave Cohen

    Well, what a bunch of nonsense this was. We have redistribution of the wealth in this country — toward the rich. And it’s been going on for 30 years now. Look at the income and wealth inequality data. The bank bailouts and actions of the Federal Reserve over the last few years should have made this abundantly clear. But Americans have been successfully co-opted by those who say Big Government is the problem, which demonstrates that propaganda, if it is applied steadily for years on end, really does work. Read this:

    The Tool And The Fool

  • Jonesy

    Needless to say, I totally support Mr. Dean on this one. First time this blog lets me down.

  • SPECTRE of Deflation

    They, the leftist do nothings, always talk about taxing the super rich with a Millionaire’s Tax, but then the thieves/politicians want to go after a couple making 250,000 per year. Is’nt that a quarter million dollar “Millionaires Tax”? This is how full of excrement these thieves are with their complete misdirection of what they actually mean and want for our society. I can see from the answers here that we have the “let’s take all their money we didn’t make” crowd in full bloom on this thread.

    Many of the responses have zero to do with reality when considering history but that won’t stop them or El Presidente’from running the wheels off this economy until it can’t be fixed. Then you will get jack shit, and we will see how you like them apples.

  • Colin

    First, we are having redistribution of wealth – from the laborers to the owners.

    Secondly, a little history. Compare these two editorial cartoons. Do you see a similarity?

    Standard Oil (a hundred years ago)
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/Standard_oil_octopus_loc_color.jpg

    Comcast (now)
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  • alice

    That’s right, let’s tax the hell out of the Corporations, Businesses, self employed, self starters, innovators, inherited wealth that was passed down from generations ago, religious organizations, dreamers, motivated creators, until we have reduced this country to a land of losers…..Because it has been the losers who have made this country great, right??? Tax and spend until there is nothing left, right???? Why even go to school, losers don’t like school either, but they want to run the country, right??? Redistribute the wealth working people make, and share it with the bums of our society, right?? That is exactly where we are headed, with the policies we have and continue to BORROW, SPEND AND PRINT our way slavery! I keep telling myself that I won’t make anymore comments on these or any other blogs, but when I read articles like this, it just makes me want to scream!!!!!!!!!

  • Martin

    If you think that the goverment is gonna redistribute the wealth,you better think again and then you should wake up and smell the coffee.
    Maybe you appreciate this man maybe not i personnaly think he is on to something hince the link
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/alex-jones-americans-have-a-gun-to-their-heads-2.html

  • Denny

    I trust your reference and condemnation of taking wealth from one portion of Americans and giving it to another portion refers to the recent ripoff of the middle and working class by the banksters, the government and the Wall Street gangsters. I hope. Yeah, right.

  • http://www.mylifeanddeath.com A.tOM

    An economic system like ours is designed to fail eventually, only to be replaced by the powers that be with a new system, set up just the same way… also designed to fail eventually.

    The argument for or against the redistribution of wealth (and the role of the government within the process) is merely a side show act to distract people away from the real issue at hand… namely, our economic system is collapsing… our ship is sinking and the people in charge have already taken all the lifeboats and left.

    If I was actually going to take the time to argue this moot point, I would say that unregulated/self-regulated industries, the bailouts of banks/corporations, and our current tax structure is already redistributing our wealth… from the hands of the poor and working classes into the hands of the extremely wealthy… and the wealthy and poor alike all pay tribute to the mafia-like powers that be at the top of our financial pyramid.

    Calling upon the redistribution of wealth from the wealthy back to the poor may sound like socialism, but is it any worse than the corporate socialistic system we already engage in? I don’t think anyone is saying we should make rich people poor, only that the poor should have the opportunity to acquire basic needs such as food, shelter, and clothing.

    If our unregulated economic system does not provide these opportunities, then it absolutely is the responsibility of government to level the playing field at least enough such that not one citizen of our our country starves or freezes on our own streets.

    Furthermore, all government programs regarding social security, subsidy, and/or entitlement programs should be 100% paid for by taxing the wealthiest and most successful citizens in our country, not by taxing the working peers of the lower and middle-class economic strata. Thus, the more jobs and opportunity the wealthy choose to provide to the nation with their vast stores of wealth equates to less taxes they will have to pay to those they choose not to provide with these opportunities.

    I talk about this and similar issues everyday on my own blog at MyLifeAndDeath.com.

  • http://www.planorperish.com/ Gutter Economist

    Corporations in the United States should be purchased, owned, and managed by employees who would then control:

    (1) Executive compensation.
    (2) Distribution of excess profits.
    (3) Outsourcing – purchasing goods / services from foreign nations and non citizen employees.

  • Liberte

    You all are falling for the same trap that has been laid for you now for 200 years.

    Communism, socialism and capitalism are all the same. They are all versions of parasitism.

    Both Christianity and Islam address the root cause of the parasitic factor by outlawing USURY. END USURY and you will end 90% of the ills of the current situation.

  • SPECTRE of Deflation

    The bankers created this entire mess with the aid of our bought and paid for government. All of their ill-gotten gains were kept while their losses were/are being transferred to the American Taxpayer at a blinding speed, yet nobody goes to jail for what was clearly criminal conduct. What we need is a Pecora Commission to go after the rats, and get the American Treasury back from these criminals.

    If this is what is meant by going after the rich, then Hell ya, and bring it on. However, if it means letting these thieves escape justice while a couple making $250,000 gets a new one ripped beecause of their own labor, then Hell no.

  • RevBryan

    Very good article EC. Keep it up. Any time you use government to take from one person to give to another who did not earn it, you are engaged in theft.

  • Cheese Grits

    I agree with Liberte. Christianity and Islam are the answers…and we know who is behind usury. I don’t want upper class domination and I don’t want government “redistributing” my money.

  • steve austin

    If we stand any chance of moving on, we must get past protecting the rich. We must stop making it an us versus them thing – its “them versus us,” fools.
    Wealth redistribution has nothing to do with 98% of us – it’s not OUR wealth that will be redistributed (unless you are richer than you appear to be)
    It’s THEIR wealth, gained at our collective expense that can come back to our collective benefit.
    Stop portraying it as “government is coming to get us” – government under the republicans already got us – its time for us to regain the balance.

  • Gary2

    Howard dean is correct-we need to tax the rich and spread the wealth. We need to TAX THE RICH HARD!

    I am very happy to see this expressed more and more. People are learning that all the wealth has been sucked up and not trickled down as the buffoonish right wing republicans tell us. If the wealth trickled down it would not be so concentrated at the top.

  • Gary2

    Michael-As you can see 75%+ agree with me in that we need to tax the rich and spread the wealth. I have been saying this over and over because it needs to be done. The rich will be taxed and their ill gotten wealth will be spread either willingly or forcefully but it will happen. Us other 98% are really gaining momentum!

  • impeachRonPaul

    Oh please this article is nuts. What has destroyed us is unregulated capitalism. The result is wealth redistribution all to the rich. The middle class is dying the rich are getting richer. Meanwhile republicans add 1 trillion to the debt by giving billionares tax breaks.

  • Wilma

    Gary 2, you can tax every American 100% and it won’t pay for the deficit. We are doomed, you complete fool. Throwing more money down the black hole won’t help us get out of debt. The Chinese have already negotiated Free Trade Zones in the U.S. Don’t worry, you won’t be getting a job there, only Chinese will work there producing cheap goods for Americans. One thing, do you really think the Demoblicans are the party of the poor, or middle class? They are owned by Goldman Sachs just like the Republicrats are. Who do you think controls the Federal Reserve? Those “advisory” boards are in fact telling Bernanke what to do. Jamie Dimon is the CEO of JP Morgan Chase and he sits on the board of the New York Fed. You are in ill-informed American idiot. Be sure to pick one side of the Hegelian dialectic, grab your ankles, and kiss your ass goodbye.

  • Frank

    Gary 2, you can tax every American 100% and it won’t pay for the deficit. Throwing more money down the black hole won’t help us get out of debt. The Chinese have already negotiated Free Trade Zones in the U.S. Don’t worry, you won’t be getting a job there, only Chinese will work there producing cheap goods for Americans. One thing, do you really think the Demoblicans are the party of the poor, or middle class? They are owned by Goldman Sachs just like the Republicrats are. Who do you think controls the Federal Reserve? Those “advisory” boards are in fact telling Bernanke what to do. Jamie Dimon is the CEO of JP Morgan Chase and he sits on the board of the New York Fed. You are in ill-informed American idiot. Be sure to pick one side of the Hegelian dialectic, grab your ankles, and kiss your ass goodbye.

  • http://isncoinsreviews.com ISN

    The subject of taxing the rich to redistribute the wealth is a minor issue.

    The Dollar has lost 95% of its value since 1971 (when we went off of the gold standard) due to inflation, which is caused by our government spending and printing too much money. That’s a 95% tax!

    David
    International Silver Network

  • http://moneycrisisgameplan.com Money Crisis Game Plan

    Tax breaks are given to business owners because they create jobs.

    60% of jobs are with small business owners, who have 1-10 employees.

    And the last thing we need to do is increase their taxes, so that more businesses close and more jobs are lost.

    Money Crisis Game Plan

  • http://weightloss24daychallenge.com David

    People whine and say that the rich should pay more in taxes, all while the government continues to spend too much money and waste our tax money on pork.

    How about we fix the spending problem first, and then all of us will have more money.

    David
    AdvoCare 24 Day Challenge

  • oneday

    Gary2 my dad is a small business owner who makes as much as a average doctor makes a year. Should we tax him to death. He puts in 100 hr work weeks. So should we tax him to death and give it to someone who plays xbox all the time. Now if you want to tax Warren Buffet and Bill Gates that’s different. It also amazes me people like Buffet say tax the rich, but he doesn’t even pay the current tax rate. So of course he wants the rich pay more because it’ll hurt his competition but not him. It’s just like the corporate tax rate Google only pays like 2.4% while everyone else pays 35-40%.

  • Bill Whitfield

    Does anyone really care what this loser has to say? Dean was history when he had his idiotic “Yahoo” moment, what a retard! He needs to just go back to his stamp collecting and keep his idiotic Progressive Puke mouth shut! Your a LOSER Dean, get used to it!

  • SPECTRE of Deflation

    The truth is you could tax individuals and businesses at 100%, and you would still come up short. I’m always amused with those saying tax the rich without any understanding of the exponential math that was required to get us to this point. The simple truth is that all this debt, seen and unseen, must be defaulted on, or inflated away. I know it’s easier to think or pretend this is a simple problem with very easy solutions, but it took us many decades to get to this point, and it will take the same to get us out.

    For you monetary cadets out there, we are at 370% debt to GDP for individuals and businesses, we are at 10%+ deficit to GDP on a yearly basis, and our national debt now equals close to 100% of GDP, and we are 125% debt to income for individuals. How in God’s name you think you can wave a magic wand and make it go away is beyond me, but I have been reading comments which have no basis in reality. It’s almost popcorn time folks.

  • Gabrial Singh

    the rich have redistributed the wealth from the middle class to themselves. where is your outrage? I think what this means, is you, sir, are simply a tool of this class of corporate parasites. your intent becomes very clear with this opinion piece. scumbags and miscreants. the base of the republican, tea party.

  • Jonesy

    Reading excellent posts like A.tOM is really refreshing. And seeing how the majority of posts here are against´s the Blogger view is even more refreshing.

  • Al Brown

    The idea that paved roads are somehow evidence that redistribution works and has been working since the Magna Carta ignores the fact that most roads were unpaved for most of that time.

    It was only the development of TECHNOLOGY and the wealth required to invest in pavement that enabled roads to be paved. Those things require property rights.

    Oh, its easy to come in after property rights have done all the heavy lifting required to make our civilization possible and just claim all the credit for redistribution.

    But it is an absolute lie.

  • john

    If those in power want to redistribute wealth, they can start with themselves and see how they like the solution. Boy, some of you actually want socialism and I can’t believe what I’m reading. When they tax us more is it really going to get any better? My answer would be no becausethey politicians would only spend more. Like Reagan said, gov’t is the problem, not the solution. Moreover, the Democrats promised relief to us blacks and the end result is we’re in the same shape oly worse since LBJ started the “Great Society.” That gave us no incentivive to progress since many received a free ride courtesy of th eUS taxpayers. All they want is a vote and they buy votes by their freebies that push the nation further down the tube.

  • Progressive Ed

    What you’re overlooking is how people like H. Dean get off on deciding who they are going to take the $$$ from and who they are going to give the $$$ to. POWER is the name of his game, no matter what bullshit he comes up with to justify himself.

  • Davidm

    Gary2

    Don’t fool yourself into thinking you’d get one penny if the wealthy were taxed harder. You whine too much! Better change your tune if you mean to survive the collapse- learn to garden or something and take some pride in what you can do for yourself.

  • http://www.pathtoasia.com rhea

    Please, it’s a platypus, and it’s controlling him from underneath the table… I’m continuously amazed as to what Americans will put up with if the government is carrying out the deed, but maybe this will be something to wake people up as to the compromises we are making in the name of feeling “safer” and “economically stable.”

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  • Mark

    Small men, both the interviewer and Howard Dean. This is what small men do. It has very little to do with anything actually, these acts are cries from men that are inadequate in so many ways.

  • Bill A

    I think Howard needs Donald Trumps foot up his posterior!!

  • impeachRonPaul

    Howard Dean for President! The rich have transferred most of the country’s assets to the wealthy. Time to reverse the trend.

  • PaulF

    Props for the Rousseau quote! He was a brilliant thinker, and I knew immediately reading this quote he was a Catholic.

    The Catholic system of subsidiarity promoted by the likes of Dorothy Day and GK Chesterton is the system that results in the most liberty and equality for the most people. The latter (Chesterton) brilliantly pointed out that rather than being polar opposites “capitalism” and “communism” are more alike than not in the end: they both result in wealth concentration in the hands of a few at the expense of the many.

    Practical libertarians like Ron Paul (God bless him) understand these things. But the powers that be who own the MSM are never going to let a Ron Paul into the Whitehouse!

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  • http://yousue.org/ Neil

    Your quote by Benjamin Franklin proves Howard Dean correct: “When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.”

    The “people” voting themselves money are the big banks, with the fed and TARP, etc., and all the other special interests that own the American congress. And this may be the end of the republic as we know it.

    Likewise with the Jefferson quote, the American people have handed the country to the banksters and other monied interests. Bill O’Rilley and his ilk don’t see that. And Obama is weak and can’t stand up to the big-mouths.

  • CBDenver

    Neil — it is not just the big banks who are voting themselves money from the public treasury. There are all kinds of special interest groups voting themselves money from the public treasury. Government subsidies to many groups abound. Tax credits are given for a multitude of questionable reasons. Loans and grants are doled out like candy. Government programs are expanded to cover more and more people. Yes, bailouts to big banks are part of the problem, but the problem is so much bigger than that.

  • Progressive Ed

    Power corrupts. All else is secondary.

  • Kevin

    Neil

    FDR said, “Presidents aren’t elected their selected”.

    The pillars of working class support, the democrats voted in abundance for NAFTA and China Free trade which were both signed into law by a democrat President. I’m not implying the republicans would or did oppose it. If it landed on GH Bush or his sons desk it would have been signed into law on the spot. Eighty percent of US Senate democrats and 83% of US Senate republicans voted for China Free trade which as eviscerated US industrial capacity.

    I honestly believe President Obama

  • Kevin

    That posted too quick without me finishing.

    I honestly believe President Obama has good intentions but like all Presidents has in reality a very limited range of control. Income redistribution is the goal to pacify the masses for the massive reduction coming in the overall standard of living; it will be in the absence of any chance of real growth in the developed world under globalization.

    Mr “deficits don’t matter” I believe thought deficits don’t matter.

  • GoneWithTheWind

    Where Paul Ehrlich went wrong was predicting the problem would peak in a few years. Clearly it will peak and when it does a lot of people will die from hunger and illness.

  • GS

    I love the way Dean frames the big lie. Take a legit government function (road building) and make it equivalent to illegit government functions (entitlements).

    I would like to see a pie chart showing each entitlement as a percentage of the federal budget along with road building. My guess is that road building would be a tiny sliver of the total.

    Don’t hold your breath waiting for Dean to show you that chart however.

    He also says it is a matter of how much we’ll redistribute? Now that we’re printing money to finance federal deficits, the answer to that question is; everything! That’s what we’re going redistribute, through inflation – EVERYTHING. Anything less would not be acceptable.

  • fuckbanksters

    Please, begin to consider politics are only puppets of the elites (Bilderberg, CFR, Rothschild/Rockfeler, FED, IMF, WorldBank). This will help you to think out of the box, and not spend time to discuss false questions of republican/democrat. The only question is will we continue to detroy the planet in order richs becomes more rich? Is that what you want for your kids?
    Read the George Orwell’s book “1984”. Everything was/is in it.

  • Mark R

    “If you ever get the chance to visit a communist country you should. You will notice that nobody really works very hard. That is because there is no incentive to work hard. Very little real wealth gets produced and everyone suffers for it.”

    Thank you for this. I’ve never laughed so hard in my life. Maybe you should do some homework. Almost every Western European nation has better productivity per work hour than the United States and they all have very robust social programs. Granted, their economic growth isn’t all that high but they enjoy a high quality of life and are generally happier than Americans according to the statistics. Growth is meaningless if everyone is miserable and you already know this.

    The idea that socialism and the redistribution of wealth discourages hard work and prosperity is libertarian garbage.

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