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Sorry Protesters: Your Jobs Are Being Sent To China And They Aren’t Coming Back

Did you see the huge crowds of protesters that flooded the Michigan Capitol on Tuesday?  They were there to protest two bills there were being considered by the state legislature that would limit the power of unions in the state.  Michigan lawmakers approved the bills and this absolutely infuriated the protesters.  There is a lot of passion on both sides of this debate, but I am afraid that both sides in this debate are missing the bigger picture.  If we keep shipping millions of our jobs to China, there isn’t going to be work for anyone no matter how much power unions have or don’t have.  During the month of October, the U.S. trade deficit increased to 42.2 billion dollars.  Our trade with China accounted for most of that deficit.  Our trade deficit with China in October increased to a new all-time one month record of 29.5 billion dollars.  Nearly 30 billion dollars that could have gone to U.S. businesses and U.S. workers went to China instead.  Since 1975, a total of about 8 trillion dollars that could have gone to U.S. businesses and U.S. workers went to the rest of the world instead.  Shiny new factories are going up all over China, and meanwhile our once great manufacturing cities are degenerating into desolate wastelands.  So what is going to happen when all of the good paying manufacturing jobs are gone?  Are we all going to fight bitterly over whether we should unionize the low paying jobs that remain at places such as Wal-Mart and McDonalds?  Such an approach is not going to bring back prosperity to America.  We desperately need to start building things and start creating real wealth inside this country once again.  We desperately need to stop sending tens of thousands of businesses, millions of jobs and trillions of dollars of our national wealth out of the country.  Unfortunately, I don’t see anyone out there holding protests about our trade deficit.  Nobody really seems to care, so our economy will continue to bleed good jobs and the middle class will continue to be destroyed.

The funny thing is that the workers that are out there protesting these union bills actually voted for the politicians that are killing their jobs.  Both parties are married to the one world economic system and the “free trade” agenda, and Barack Obama has been one of the worst offenders.  He has been pushing for more “free trade agreements” throughout the past four years, and yet union workers continue to support him enthusiastically.

How foolish can they possibly be?

Yeah, let’s merge American workers into a global labor pool with workers in third world countries on the other side of the globe that work in absolutely nightmarish conditions for as little as 45 dollars a month.  That sounds like a great idea, doesn’t it?

Oh, but you don’t want to work for 45 dollars a month?

You don’t even want to work for 450 dollars a month?

Well, then the big corporations that fund politicians like Obama will just take your jobs and send them halfway around the planet.

Do you think that your unions will save your jobs?

Michigan already has the highest rate of union membership in the Midwest.

It also has the highest rate of unemployment in the Midwest.

Over the past couple of decades, thousands of businesses in Michigan have either closed down or moved facilities overseas.

Did the unions prevent any of that?

No.

If union bosses really wanted to do some good, they would be organizing protests against our incredibly foolish trade policies.

But instead, they tell their members to vote for politicians like Obama and then they run out to the stores and fill their carts with huge piles of products that were made in China.

Union workers need to wake up to one fundamental economic fact – in a one world economic system, the big corporations simply do not need you.  They can make their products in lots of other countries where it is legal to pay slave labor wages.

But instead of getting upset about what is really killing their jobs, union workers in Michigan are screaming mad about a couple of new laws that will take some power away from the unions.

That is kind of like being obsessed with a broken fingernail when your leg has just been sawed off and you are gushing blood all over the floor.

Oh, but union workers did put on a good show up in Michigan.  The following is how a Bloomberg article described the protests…

Officials spent days gearing up for crowds brought out by the legislature’s sudden action last week to give initial approval to three anti-dues bills, which exclude police and firefighters. At least one helicopter buzzed overhead today, and mounted police surveyed the protesters. Signs reading “Don’t hurt working families” dotted lawns.

The crowd numbered more than 10,000, according to State Police Inspector Gene Adamczyk, with more buses still arriving. The Capitol was closed when it reached its capacity of 2,000.

The anger surrounding these protests was almost palpable.  One state representative even declared that “there will be blood”.

Meanwhile, many of those same protesters will buy toys for their kids that were made in China with wrapping paper that was made in China and they will put them under a Christmas tree that was made in China.

Merging our economy with the economy of communist China was one of the stupidest economic moves that we could have ever made.  They are systematically taking our wealth, and then we have to go over there and beg them to lend money back to us.

Pretty soon the Chinese economy will dwarf ours.  According to the National Intelligence Council, the GDP of Asia will have surpassed the GDP of North America and the GDP of all of Europe combined by 2030.

But if we had never opened up trade with communist China none of this would have ever happened.

Why won’t American workers get upset about this stuff?

Do you really want your standard of living to decline to the level of a Chinese factory worker?

You can see some photos of what life is like for workers in China’s toy factories right here.  This is what the future holds for American workers unless something is done.

For much more on how our trade policies are absolutely gutting our economy, please see the statistics in this article: “55 Reasons Why You Should Buy Products That Are Made In America This Holiday Season“.

But no, the big unions will never dare oppose Obama.  They love him far too much to do that.

Meanwhile, we continue to bleed good jobs.  Large companies have announced the elimination of more than 100,000 jobs since November 6th, and it looks like 2013 is going to be a very difficult year for American workers.

If you are an American worker, you need to ask yourself why anyone would want to hire you in this kind of economic environment.  You are 10 to 20 times more expensive than workers on the other side of the globe.  In addition, our politicians just keep piling more rules, regulations and taxes on to the backs of the employers in this country.  It is more difficult than ever to make a profit from the labor of an American worker.

Honestly, I understand why most small businesses don’t want to hire anyone in this economic environment.  It just doesn’t make sense.  For much more on this, please see this excellent article by Charles Hugh-Smith.

And there are signs that things are going to get even worse.  For example, the NFIB Small Business Outlook survey dropped like a rock during November.  That is a very bad sign for hiring.

And another ominous sign for the economy was that the latest trade report showed that imports and exports are both declining.  That is usually a signal that a recession is coming.  Exports fell faster than imports did, and that is the reason why the trade deficit grew.  If imports and exports both fall again next month, it will be time to become extremely concerned.  When imports and exports both decline, that is a sign of slowing economic activity.

The United States will always need to trade with other nations, but we need to do it in a way that is balanced and that protects American workers.  Right now there is a one way conveyor belt taking businesses, jobs and money out of this country.  If we don’t do something about our mammoth trade deficit, we will have no chance of reversing the steady decline of the U.S. economy.

Hopefully we can get the American people to wake up and realize this.  Instead, most of the comments at the end of this article will probably be about the pros and cons of unions.  That will be yet another sign that most people still don’t get these issues.

  • Hue

    I’m migrating to China to be honest.

    • JustanOguy

      At least you’ll know that everybody is not living off of credit and what you are buying is at true market price.

    • Ralfine

      Good choice. Just been there on holiday.

      China is OK, if you don’t have to cross the border too often. I don’t like the border so much. But coming to that, I don’t like any border.

      But living in China is easy enough, if you can say goodbye to Western comfort, especially Western food. Or if you earn enough to pay triple the price for coffee and bread than you’d have to pay outside of China.

      Did you know that a coffee maker made in China and sold in China costs at least double the price you’d have to pay in Sears or Wal-Mart?

      WFOE are not allowed to sell their goods in China. They must export them. And then they need to be imported and for imported goods tax and customs duty must be paid.

      China is an interesting place. I’d like to visit the more exotic places like Yunnan, Szechuan, etc.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XFAEMN7TP3UPWEAV7KPNZQ33LM Paul

    Ross Perot was not taken seriously when he talked about the giant sucking sound of our jobs leaving due to free trade agreements. It’s really quite bizarre. Both political parties support this as does big business. It’s not just them, all the shoppers at Walmarts love to buy cheap Tee shirts from China. The Union workers shop there, too, and often drive foreign cars. Everyone is culpable in this. A country this dumb can’t hope to survive.

    • Mondobeyondo

      Not many people took Ron Paul seriously either. It’s a shame, when people who may have the answers to our problems are labeled as “crazy”, “conspiracy theorists”, etc…

      • JustanOguy

        What’s really sad is that it’s the Political Parties that gave Ron Paul that image and the sheeple went along with it. The powers to be in Washington D.C. living on the Gravy Train CERTAINLY did not want Ron Paul’s ideas to be considered.

        Reality is, RP is FAR SMARTER then our last five Presidents. His recent farewell speech to Congress was spot on with everything this country has become.

    • http://profiles.google.com/herondas John Doe

      “A country this dumb can’t hope to survive”. Exactly. The US and the rest of the West along with it are in free-fall and can’t see it while fighting over scraps, a good example of cognitive dissonance. The death march continues.

    • primrose

      Bingo!

    • Theresa Lepiane

      What do you mean drive foreign cars? No cars are made in America any more.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Scott-Bowlan/100001315521670 Scott Bowlan

    i love it the unions loose again.

    • 2Gary2

      hostess also was paying millions to ceo as it was asking the workers to take yet another pay cut. U need to blame management

      • JustanOguy

        It wasn’t a pay cut that ended it all…. it was demands for pay raises in an economy where tens of millions have taken pay cuts or have not had a raise in years to keep their jobs.

        Now there are people that only have GED’s no longer making $30K a year…

        • Ralfine

          how many ceos have taken paycuts?

    • Siniverisyys

      No job is worth $10/hr because you can’t live off of $10/hr.

      • Mondobeyondo

        Not in America……..

        • http://www.facebook.com/survivingeconomiccollapse Surviving Economic Collapse

          What absolute baloney….we’ve lived WELL on less than 800 dollars a month per person. Americans are getting poorer by the day because we don’t have enough common sense to not squander our generous wages.

  • MeMadMax

    Don’t worry kids, it will all be over soon… This is just vultures picking over the scraps and bones before those too are gone…

  • Alasha

    I have no comments recently on Any subject and I am alarmed… I think i am soooooooo TRAUMATIZED, I cant not articulate any thoughts coherently. sigh

  • http://karmaeconomics.blogspot.com/ lavista4u

    Lets be practical guys. I’m from a third world country and when i was kid, I looked with awe on whatever things American. That was some 30 years ago.

    The world has caught up with America. Americans needs to realize that there present skill sets are no match with the world out there, who would work for lot less than they do.

    Earlier, it was just few western countries that could make cars, trucks, high end electronic items, TVs. Now a days, just about any country can do that for much less.

    Even North Korea can make rockets, China sent man to space, India sends rockets regularly for satellites.

    Common, anyone can make toys, shoes, cars, TVs now a days. Its not a skill anymore. sorry to be harsh, but America needs to upgrade their skills. There is no place in the world for 100 year old skills in a place like America. People in third world countries have caught with skills Americans once had.

    • Mondobeyondo

      And the people in other countries can do the same things Americans can do, for a much cheaper wage.

      American worker: $10.00/hour
      Chinese worker: $2.00/DAY

      • JustanOguy

        And the REAL Kicker…. The Chinese Worker saves a higher % of the money they earn then the American Worker.

        • Ralfine

          And with the saved money they send their children to study in America.

          • http://www.facebook.com/joe.kleinkamp Joe Kleinkamp

            And then America sends them back to strengthen their competitive edge against us while we talk about granting amnesty to illegals.

          • JustanOguy

            Saving money and living within your means opens up doors to all kinds of opportunities.

          • Theresa Lepiane

            And we give them grants and student loans ahead of our own American children

        • Ready_To_Go

          One thing most people forget to realize, is that most wages we make are plenty, unions think they need to make more per hour than anyone, the poor think they don’t get enough. We all make enough, it’s just that we pay so much in taxes and fees on every little thing that it take so much of what we have!

          • Theresa Lepiane

            I own a farm. I haven’t been able to plow it with the high price of gasoline for the past 3 years.

      • quercus454

        Only because their standard of living is lower. The question is do we want to continue our downward spiral or do we want to keep what we have?

        • http://profiles.google.com/herondas John Doe

          The downward spiral will continue into later this decade to much lower levels. Prepare for it. There is nothing we can do about it, we are now in the hands of fate. Think through the social, political, military, and economic effects and trends of the death march we are on. It’s right in front of us if one just sees ahead. Prepare.

        • JustanOguy

          The downward spiral is going to continue as long as everybody is in debt up to their ears buying a bunch of junk on credit.

    • JustanOguy

      What are you talking about? I can kick any China Man’s butt in Call of Duty…. Lol..

      You really think China, India or North Korea can put together a baseball or football team that could even match the worst teams in the U.S.?

      And movies? I’ve only seen garbage come out of those countries.

      What country is Facebook based in?

      Skills… we got skills… Lol.

      All kidding aside… it’s not a skills problem, it’s a Being the World Police problem and having idiots that elect career politicians that are puppets of the Banksters that is the problem.

      • richard

        I AGREE WITH YOU OTHER THAN LOWER PAY FOR THE JOBS A LOT OF THESE COMPANIES STEAL THE TECH FROM THE COMPANIES THAT MOVE THERE OR SHOULD I SAY THEY GIVE THEM THE TECH. I AM IN THE UAW AND HAVE BEEN FOR 42 YEARS THERE ISN’T A UAW MEMBER THAT DOESN’T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. SINCE THE SEVENTIES I HAVE WATCHED AS THESE CORPORATIONS SLOWLY MOVED THESE JOBS OFF SHORE AND THERE WASN’T A WAY THEY COULD STOP THEM. WHEN NAFTA WAS SIGNED INTO LAW IT WAS ALL OVER.. THE THING THAT REALLY P-SS– ME OFF IS THE FACT THAT CLINTON SIGNED IT INTO LAW AND HE WAS SUPPORTED BUY THE UNIONS. JUST GOES TO SHOW YOU THAT BOTH PARTIES ARE CONTROLLED BY THE SUPER RICH..

        • JustanOguy

          Technology is constantly changing. Being in the UAW for 42 years — you should know how much an assembly line has changed.

          You can’t stop ANY global corporation from setting up in whatever country they want to. If you don’t like companies such as Nike making products for $5 and then shipping it into the U.S. and selling that same product for $50 plus…. don’t buy their products.

          Same goes with numerous other companies including Apple. The profit margins are enormous — ALL because market demand enables them to charge those prices.

          • james chadden

            you are right youngster , but the liberals don’t have no hindsight and the conservatives are to dumb to figure it out ! i’m waiting for obammy to change the constitution so he can get a 3rd term , and then the communists can have a great take off here in america !

          • JustanOguy

            If Obammy tries that, then that would certainly be the tipping point. There are a lot of unhappy people (on both sides due to poor leadership) .. but the right side is not unhappy enough to do anything about it. (Yet)

            The far lefties are in the minority… they just Push more and are more vocal.

    • Undecider

      What you don’t understand is that, on behalf of the corporations and banks, American politicians were sent overseas to court these “third world nations.” The goal was to de-industrialize America for the sole purpose of robbing our sovereignty (through economic and debt slavery). It’s not that the other countries are more competitive. In reality and while on a level playing field, they are not.

      Of course you can get cheaper labor where most of the population lives on a dirt floor. It’s not so much about bring other nations up, it’s also about bring America down. This “labor” debate goes beyond economics. Money is just a driver to get things done. The Elite of the world have never really wanted any of us to have anything to our names. Just watch. As China and the rest get uppity, they will get undercut by yet another “emerging power.” Mark my words. Watch as Africa is built up to strip all of Asia from their new found economic might. Then we’ll get to see China and India bitch and moan about workers rights while to the world is intro’d to the new puppet throne holders.

      It’s a big game. America could remain where it was while at the same time other nations being introduced to new technologies. However, that’s not what we got to witness. Had America not gone overseas, these third world nations would still be walking about with bones in their noses and loin cloths. Expand your mind to the bigger picture. It’s a big game and even the USA is a bit player.

      If we’re going to be strong and independent, we have to stand up for what we consider ours. That’s what the corporations are doing and they are running rough shod over us. Welcome to the world!

    • Aeffesstoo

      Yeh! but can the rest of the world make TV shows like American Idol, or pro football? Get back to us when you have something of importance. /s

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Scott-Bowlan/100001315521670 Scott Bowlan

    those jobs head overseas because the unions want the labor to be paid huge money.

    unions are the reason why new cars cost 40 grand each.

    high union labor cost drives manufactures overseas to keep the cost down.

    blame the unions for outsourcing of jobs first then blame the piliticians for allowing it to happen.

    • Ralfine

      Yes, wake up. Get rid of the unions and make Americans work for 50 cents a day, too.

      LOL

    • quercus454

      High union labor? I suppose you are referencing UAW workers. Did you know that labor is a very small part of the cost of a new car? That it is less then 8 percent due to mechanization and robots? An average car uses about $2100.00 in labor. The big 3 car companies pay up to $70.00/hr. Toyota it is about $55.00/hr. The cost difference to build a car between the big 3 and Toyota is about 600 dollars.

      Not everyone working in a car factory is earning top wages. Most start $14.00/hr. Workers progress up to about 30/hr. The rest of the money per hour goes to benefits and pension. Would you rather have them all working for 10.00/hr and have to have the public to support them?

      Have you ever worked on an assembly line? Do you have any understanding of what it is like to stand in one place and do the same job over and over again at an extremely fast pace? It is not as easy or simple as it may seem.

      Unions are not perfect and no where close to being what they used to be. Blaming a worker for the cost of a commodity is putting the blame in the wrong area. Workers do not set the price of the car.

      I would like to see workers of all industries earning a good living and paying their own way. Isn’t that better then having a few people at the top make millions and passing on their cost of doing business to the public? After all employees spend their incomes buying stuff and using services. Their money goes back into the economy and supports their communities. Isn’t that the American way?

      Your post sounded a bit envious of those “high” wages UAW workers are paid. Good luck with that feeling. LOL.

      • richard

        WELL SAID!!!!!

    • Siniverisyys

      You argue that because “unionized labour” asks for too much, they end up with too little? Uhhhh….

      To me, the crux of the problem is that we can’t afford our own labour. Large corporations have engaged in out-sourcing, mechanization of agriculture & production, illegal & foreign labour, reduced jobs and labour value, have supplanted inflation. People are closer to slave wages than they realize, but these factors have mostly hidden the loss in purchasing power.

      The problem surpasses U.S.-China trade deficits. I think the question has been framed incorrectly. A couple thousand people can feed hundreds of thousands. What happens when the labour pool grossly outnumbers the available jobs? Well according to “laissez faire capitalists” – people will starve in the streets. One of the great answers to this problem is Communism, which has its share of warts. Distributism is an intriguing third-way that everyone should be aware of.

    • richard

      IF YOU LOOK AT THE CARS THAT ARE MADE HERE THEY COST THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY AS THE ONES MADE IN CHINA OR MEXICO WHERE THEY HAVE SLAVE LABOR.

  • 2Gary2

    A consortium of billionaires today warned that if their taxes are
    raised they will no longer have enough money to buy politicians.

    The group, led by casino billionaire Sheldon Adelson, commissioned a
    new study showing that the cost of an average politician has soared
    exponentially over the past decade.

    While the American family has seen increases in
    the cost of food, health care and education, Mr. Adelson says, “those
    costs don’t compare with the cost of buying a politician, which has gone
    through the roof.”

    The casino billionaire points to his group’s study, which puts the
    cost of purchasing an average House member at two million dollars and an
    average senator at several times that.

    We need to tax the rich and spread the wealth. Unionize these low wage service sector jobs so they pay a living wage.

    • JustanOguy

      And the Unions are not buying Politicians and coercing them to bail out failing companies among other things?

      Okie Dokie.

      • Siniverisyys

        Unions coercing politicians to bail out failing companies?? HAHAH .. welcome to the twilight zone. Do you have examples??

        • JustanOguy

          GM and Chrysler. Need more?

    • 2Gary2

      unions are outspent 25 to 1 by the rich and corporations. Comparing uniuon spending to spending by the rich/corporations is lame.

  • markthetruth

    Let’s get this Fiscal Cliff reality show done guys. Bring Obama and Boehner on stage of Take it All, with our Host Bernanke (Can someone please explain to me how he is above the Congress,Senate and President now dictating them!!!!!) and the Final play Choices

    my budget (both my budgets = no deal = off the Cliff)
    50/50 split (both 50/50 = off the Cliff)
    (one 50/50 and one my budget = my budget = wins = off the Cliff)
    e
    Doesn’t make a damm difference!!!!!!!! just the stock market gets to go on a roller coaster. Yeppe for Wall Street. Jump up and down.

    the end.

  • Jared16

    Amazing these people blaming the unions and not the greedy corporations! Sure it is so terrible for workers to want a living wage while the CEO of Oracle makes a mere 7.5 million dollars per day, or 15625 dollars per minute! Wait, perhaps some of you want to feel sorry for him having to pay a higher tax rate! Poor guy! He has so bad while us common workers have so good!

    • 2Gary2

      you are correct. The stupidity of conservatives is astounding. These low information dolts are shills for the rich.

    • JustanOguy

      Why don’t you become the CEO of your own company and pay yourself whatever you can convince the shareholders to pay you?

      • Ralfine

        Are you suggesting becoming a thief is the only rightful solution to escape poverty?

        • JustanOguy

          I didn’t say anything about becoming a politician.

          Escaping poverty begins with getting an education even if it means educating yourself. Several people have done it.

          • Ralfine

            in germany education up to university is free and 100% of kids finish at least 10 years of school. still, the unemployment rate is 10%.

          • JustanOguy

            Ralfine — I grew up in Germany… I know how the education system works and it’s FAR more advanced then the U.S.

            And don’t lie about the unemployment rate in Germany…. It’s currently 6.5% and a big part of that is the immigration. If you are educated with at least a technical degree…. you pretty much have a good paying job.

            In Germany… by the time you are 16, you are pretty much set to moving forward with a Labor job (the not so bright kids), moving forward in a technical job, or the really smart kids move on to the Advanced Professional degrees.

            By the way… there is nothing “free” about it. It’s being paid with high personal income taxes. Difference is…. well more then 47% are paying into the “system” to make it all work. Unlike the U.S. where 47% are not paying anything and 18% of that 47% are taking back more then they’ve ever contributed.

            Best wishes..

          • Ralfine

            Like everywhere else, there is registered unemployment and the sum of people out of work, who are on low income part time jobs, who are not interested anymore, who are in training and retraining, and on welfare, staying home for the kids, etc. etc.

          • JustanOguy

            @Ralfine:disqus — I’ve lived and worked in other countries FAR more then you’ve even visited.

            The problem with the United States has EVERYTHING to do with a leadership problem and the mentality of the sheeple that keep voting the cronies into office year after year.

            The “system” has screwed America and has benefited the Washington District of Corruption and Wall Street.

            BOTTOM LINE.

          • Ralfine

            How would you know how many countries I ever visited? LOL

          • JustanOguy

            Because of how Naive your comments are.

            Think long and hard and get back to me.

            Cheers!

          • Ralfine

            Look, you only get rich by stealing from others. Hard honest work doesn’t make you rich. Nobody is willing to pay a nurse $350 per hour for her $1million wage per year.

          • Ralfine

            I think, I have been to 25 countries. Not counting the occasional change of planes in Zurich or Helsinki. Some of these countries have now split up and the places now belong to different countries.

            FAR more countries would be in the range above 50? Lived and worked in? Interesting. Journalist?

  • 2Gary2

    Michael–is that you holding the free lindsey lohan sign? I did not know you cared.

  • 2Gary2

    you forgot about the royal couple and her am sickness.

  • 2Gary2

    right to work states have more folks in poverty than the other states.

    • JustanOguy

      Hmmm…. Well I lived in a big Union / big government state with big taxes and had to make twice as much just to get by…

      Now I live in a “Right to Work” state with a smaller government where the unions are not complete socialist nuts and I have a FAR HIGHER standard of Living making half of what I used to do.

      Do yourself a favor and find a “Cost of Living” calculator to compare what is needed to get by.

  • Mondobeyondo

    Too little, too late, and they’re protesting against the wrong people/causes. They should be protesting against the banking system which is robbing all of us blind (and getting away with it, too.)

    About a year or so ago, there was this little movement called “Occupy Wall Street”. Somehow, it got squashed rather quickly. You hear almost nothing about OWS these days.

    • JustanOguy

      That’s because they really had no clue about the “system” except that rich people are evil and need to “share” the wealth.

    • http://profiles.google.com/herondas John Doe

      What about protesting against the politicians that double talk us? What about protesting against ourselves for continually voting for politicians to “give us more stuff” that the super debt cycle was pumped up to pay for the “stuff” we wanted? It’s easy to blame the bankers, but they pumped the system to give us what we and the politicians wanted.

  • Mondobeyondo

    They’ve taken the teeth out of the unions, and replaced them with dentures. Unions have no more power anymore, because of globalization. How can you fight for a decent wage, when a company can just go to China, India or Bangladesh and hire people for a tenth of the cost? No Social Security, no medical, no dental, no nothing. Just pay them and they’ll be happy.

    It worked in the 1950’s, because America had no real economic competition. But it’s 2012 (almost 2013), and the world has changed dramatically. Remember when you used to look at something “Made in Japan” and laugh, because it was junk? You know… “Sony – It falls apart before you turn it on”? Well, now we”re buying Japanese products. The same with China. Good heavens, China is even putting astronauts into space!! Gasp!*. (Hey, that’s OUR domain! along with the former USSR)

    Oh yes, unions. Umm. Do they serve a real purpose in 2012? If so, what is the purpose? I’m not anti-union, but I believe they’ve seen their best days, and if unions are going to fight for something, they will have to do it on a global stage, not a U.S. stage.

    *You shouldn’t be surprised. The Chinese invented gunpowder. Oppressed, yes. but definitely not stupid.

    • quercus454

      The real problem with unions is the bloated top. The people who run them are more concerned for their own well being then the welfare of their membership. Today’s union leadership have more in common with their CEO counterparts then they do the people they represent. Many of the people running unions never worked in the trades they represent and many of those who did it was for a very short time.
      Most union leadership are “earning” far and above what even the highest paid member is. For instance in Ca, most UFCW local presidents are earning between $300,000 and a half a million a year. Even business agents are earning well above what journeyman wages are.

  • Mondobeyondo

    [Off topic]

    OMG! North Korea just launched a long range ballistic missile! They can barely feed their own people, but they can launch a [GASP!!] missile!! A MISSILE!! Immediately, the thought comes to mind – “the U.S. government is feeding 1 out of 7 of its people, and we have LOTS of nuclear weapons! So there!”

    What are we to do? Well, first of all, relax. Drink some tea or something.
    Next, realize that North Korea has nuclear weapons. Drink some more tea or something.
    The crack head, um, crackpot, Kim Jung-un, isn’t likely to launch them against anyone except maybe South Korea, or Japan. Those countries happen to be U.S. allies. Here’s where things get tricky. North Korea and China are very good friends. China holds a LOT of U.S. debt. What if things between the U.S. and China go sour? Would that be bad? (Yes. It would.)

    Seriously, I’d be more worried about Iran than the Glorious People’s Paradise and Heaven of North Korea. Just a thought…

    • Ralfine

      Forget North Korea. They are a puppet of China.

      China can’t attack the US. North Korea can.

      China needs the US give up Taiwan. For that China can promise to take care of North Korea.

      Deal?

    • Hambone

      If he attacks South Korean and I can’t see that Gangnam Style video any more, I’m going to be seriously upset.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/DJRO56G47VCA2AY6JOPH2YC3QU WarriorClass III

    You can no longer obey the laws of the United States Government and the God of the Bible. ObamaCare forces you to pay for abortion, murder. If you believe in the Bible, you cannot pay taxes, period. Yeah, the liberals love to quote, “Give to Caesar…” but you do not owe your soul to Caesar, you owe it to God. Daniel refused even when threatened to be thrown in to the lion’s den, and into the fire. The US Government will throw you in prison or kill you.

    Do. Not. Pay. Taxes.

    Refuse.

    • Ralfine

      The legal way to not pay tax: emigrate and change citizenship.

      Show it to the politicians!

      Let them work for their money.

      If all the poor left the country, would the government finally tax the rich?

      Americans descend from refugees and emigrants and immigrants. Time to return to tradition?

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Stefan/100000971661397 Richard Stefan

        Actually some people are leaving America especially if they have $100-$200,000 student loans debts…you cant sue an American living in Sweden over a debt.

        • Ralfine

          i wouldnt be so sure about that. america is sueing foreigners over internet hacking done in foreign countries. and the british are stupid enough to extradite their own citizens to the us.

  • chilller

    So long as we continue to allow foreigners to infiltrate our political system, they will do everything in their power to export our jobs to their countries. It used to be that Mexicans only sent money home to their families. Now they and countries around the world are sending our jobs home. OH! but you don’t want to be accused of “protectionism” now do you….”Oh my no!…I’d rather be destitute and living on the street with my family before that….BULL CRAP! Since our languid guberment won’t lift a finger except to pick their own noses…it’s high time WE send THEM a message…a message of protectionism of our jobs and our control of THEM! The American people need to change the way our government does business because their current methods are laughable. We don’t need political science majors or a bunch of ambulance chasers running our nation. We need specialists in their fields with proven track records not elected officials who’s first order of business once elected is to cover-up their past like a cat turd in a litter box. And people who are too stupid to vote for someone other than the nicest looking, smoothest talking talking head on the platform need to be removed from the polling booth and educated to prevent political parties from taking advantage of moron Americans like themselves. If you have to take a test to move a vehicle down the road then you should have to take a test in order to move your country down the road. Otherwise you end up where we are today…in the ditch. Strict voting laws which apply to each state must be made. Right now, this countries biggest export is the ability to scam, breach or break any and all laws, rules and regulations ever conceived by man. This country is in serious need of a system reset and if it doesn’t happen soon, there will be no system to reset.

  • JustanOguy

    The Union Thugs and the Socialist Propagandists don’t want anybody to have a choice.

    • Ralfine

      Yes, that’s why they make sure that as much money as possible is removed from corporations in the form of dividends. They make sure everything is even removed from the country and stored in form of gold and silver in some mountain vaults.

      It’s amazing how successfully brainwashed Americans are.

      • JustanOguy

        And where do those dividends go? Is it illegal for certain people to invest in Apple, etc.?

        You are right… Americans are brainwashed —- in thinking that the Government is the solution to all of their problems.

        If you don’t like the way a company behaves, you have the choice to NOT buy their products.

        • Ralfine

          how does investing work? when i buy stocks on the stock market how much money goes to the company? right. none. except during the ipo.
          and who is complaining first, when the company wants to issue more shares to more investors? right. the current share holders.

  • JustanOguy

    End all of the Credit and I guarantee you that making $10.00 an hour will be a good wage because prices would certainly adjust down.

    • Ralfine

      Yes, ever heard of deflation?

      Prices will go down, alright.

      People will need to buy food today to be able to go to work tomorrow, but tomorrow will only be paid half of what they were paid yesterday.

      Will the price for food fall accordingly? Will the profit will fall according with the prices?

      • JustanOguy

        I suggest you read up on the Weimar Republic and what happens when you keep printing up money and living off of credit.

        Deflation is actually a good thing…. unless you are a Bankster or the Government.

        And yes… Food would drop in price. Food is priced at what people can pay. Why do you think all of the acceptable items on the Food Stamp list have skyrocketed in price the past couple of years? (Not the only reason of course… but it does contribute.)

        Why did home prices skyrocket when everybody was handed a home loan and just had to sign their name to loan documents and not have to put hardly anything down?

        Why is college tuition skyrocketing while student loans are being handed out — even for basket weaving degrees that are useless today?

        There are MANY goods priced much higher then what they should be which is why you have CEO’s and Executives getting paid ENORMOUS salaries.

        • Ralfine

          no idea, food stamps were abolished here about 60 years ago.

    • Jagrick

      Really? How do you suppose one pay rent making such a paltry sum? That is not a living wage. I guess your living wage and mine differ greatly.

  • Ralfine

    The Chinese population is three times the size of the American. Isn’t it a shame that the Chinese economy is not yet three times the size of the American?

  • Ralfine

    Yes, blame the unions.

    Never blame those who take the profit.

    LOL

  • John Wheeler

    The problem with unions is they’ve forgotten their roots. Back in their heyday they were international organizations (hence the CIO). Back then that just meant Europe and America. Had they been smart, as soon as they saw jobs heading overseas, they would have headed overseas with them to start organizing those workers, Sure, in China they would have been going up against a totalitarian government, but back in the early part of the twentieth century they were willing to risk life and limb.

    That would have been far more effective than any protectionist legislation we could put up now.

  • Jagrick

    I don’t think you can outsource the teachers, electrical, longshoreman, police, firefighter and so on unions.

    • Siniverisyys

      But outsourcing put downward pressure on all jobs, but increasing the labour supply and lowering the value of labour.

  • Jagrick

    Scott i guess you want to pay (assuming your a business owner the way you wrote that) minimum wage since people are desperate for work. Yea screw the unions that want the workers to get a living wage.

  • Ralfine

    If regulations reduce profit, then China must be made to follow more regulations, right?

    Chinese people must be shown that it is beneficial to drink clean water, to brreath clean air. All the environmental damage by mountain top removal mining in the Appalachian Mountains must remain secret. Any reporters shall be imprisoned.

    American Unions should help Chinese unions impose more regulations on Chinese enterprises and their American owners.

    American customers shall ask retailers under which conditions the products were made. And if they were made under appalling conditions, using prisoners (like in the US) then, well, then everything should be fine, shouldn’t it?

    On the other hand – what is the difference between China and America?

  • Jack Lohman

    Stupid little fires. if you want to stop the ripoffs, start at the top… our politicians who write the rules. For a price, that is. REPLACE our government, or live with it.

  • quercus454

    The only way you are going to see manufacturing come back to this country is thru the use of tarriffs. Historically tariffs have long been a part of this country’s economic rise to power. Only when we can make the profit margin the same for foreign made goods as those made in America will it happen. Tarriffs would not only bring back manufacturing, but there was a time when trade taxes supported much of the government. Good old Ross Perot warned this country about free trade, the WTO and NAFTA. Unfortunately Congress then as well as today are globalists and are actually working against the best interest of this country.

    The US still has one of the, if not the best base of consumers in the world. Why should we continue to allow companies and other counties access to this market without protecting our own people?

    While it is easy to say buy American, the choice of American made goods in some catagories is zero. Clothes, toys and many other everyday goods are near impossible to find with the American made label.

    If we are to save this country, we need to get people who represent us. People who believe in America and it’s people first. Not someone who puts his corporate sponser ahead of the country.

    • http://www.facebook.com/joe.kleinkamp Joe Kleinkamp

      The debt and deficit increase with every ex-employee who no longer pays income tax, FICA or the medicare tax. When you consider all the revenue the treasury loses due to imports, tariffs seem like a smart and fair way to replace it.

      UAW membership in 1975 was over 500,000 tax paying workers. Less than 10% of that now. Hey, a job is a job and I’m glad for the U.S. workers at Nissan, Toyota, VW, Honda, BMW etc. who are nearly at parity with UAW wages.

      But, as you alluded to earlier, labor is not as big a percentage cost of building a car as it used to be. I read this morning that GM is discounting Indiana built full size pickups by $13,000 now and you know they’re not doing so at a loss. Obviously with margins like that they’re making a good return on their labor costs.

    • Christopher Nelson

      Isn’t the 1 and only job of a “normal” government of any country to protect the citizens who live there?

      Brainwashing has surely happened here in the U.S. for us to reach this point.

  • Hambone

    I used to work at Sony in Mt. Pleasant, PA in 1999. It was formerly a Volkswagen plant, making Rabbits or Golfs. VW had a strict “NO union” warning. The workers ignored and unionzed, and VW packed up and left. Thousands lost their jobs.

    By the time I moved there, the community still remembered this. While there were pockets that tried to unionize the Sony employees against the corporation’s wishes, most remembered VW and didn’t dare.

    Long story short — corporations need to grab a pair and be prepared to follow through if the workers unionize. I’ll bet, especially in this economy, the line will form to the left for the states/communities that would welcome them with open arms, give them tax breaks, etc.

    I am told that one manufacturing job creates ten other jobs in the community. Losing hundreds of manufacturing jobs… that will hurt, but it will be a healing type of pain if we learn from it.

    • Siniverisyys

      Yeah let’s all get paid $5/hr and live in our cars, we’re just lucky to have jobs!!

      • http://profiles.google.com/herondas John Doe

        Your reply to Hambone is irrational.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joe-Palladino/100001624813101 Joe Palladino

    I work alongside union workers in a right to work state and I will tell you the only thing they care about is that democrats funnel money to unions, that’s it. Bring up issues regarding national debt, border, QE (money printing) fast and furious, Benghazi and they’ll look at you like you have three heads. I’m afraid our goose is cooked. Greed and ignorance rules the day.

    • Colin

      It’s not that these issues aren’t important – they are; it’s that they have been politicized by the right wing media, especially Benghazi. I don’t how you spoke with these union workers on these issues, but if someone came to me and started talking to me about these issues I would be suspicious of them. Lest we forget, we live an an age, in which one commentator compared it to the pre-Civil War, as one of divisiveness and lacking in trust.

  • Mondobeyondo

    And the Seattle Seahawks beat my Arizona Cardinals, 58-0. I am so depressed.
    Yes, we are being distracted by the mainstream media. But not for long. The dollar is about to sink fast. 50 Cent may have to change his name to 18 Dolla.

  • Mondobeyondo

    “Tanned, I’m already black, rich, I’m already that
    The gold ’round my neck, man, the ice on my left hand
    Bling like, blauw, you like my style?

    Ha, ha ha, I’m over to the bank right now!”

    “I Get Money” – 50 Cent

    If that doesn’t speak arrogance, nothing does. And so it goes…
    America is entering a death spiral, just like other former empires in the past. Rome, Greece, Great Britain.. it’s a well-worn path.

  • Mondobeyondo

    Arizona has been a right-to-work state since… forever, I guess.

    Out here, your employer can fire you for any reason. You can try suing them, but you aren’t guaranteed to get your job back.

    Michigan is about to find out what that’s like. Good luck!

    • JustanOguy

      Read the latest Exodus report. People have been bailing out of Michigan while Arizona’s population is growing like gangbusters.

      Must be working.

  • http://www.facebook.com/andy.prutsok Andy Prutsok

    Let’s see if I understand this correctly: You claim that it’s the fault of the unions that jobs are being shipped overseas? Giant, unshackled, vulture capital with absolute advantage does this and you turnaround and criticize the unions for failing to stop it? Einstein.

  • 2Gary2

    If anybody is interested in “taking our country back,” it’s not from
    President Obama — it’s from ignorant plutocrats like Mr. Duke (CEO of walmart). He
    makes over $18 million because he CAN! Because we’re subsidizing
    Walmart by paying for all those food stamps so that Mr. Duke doesn’t
    have to! My goodness, what an un-American disgrace. We can put Walmart
    out of business if we want to, people! If 717-1 (ceo pay to avg worker pay at walmart) doesn’t infurate you,
    what will?

    Walmart is one of the largest employers in this country. Sam Walton’s
    heirs are among the wealthiest Americans. For the average Walmart
    associate to be paid so little that they qualify for foodstamps and
    other gov’t assistance programs is immoral.

  • richard

    THE ONLY THING THAT RIGHT TO WORK DOES IS LOWER YOUR STANDARD OF LIVING

    • JustanOguy

      That’s malarkey. Average incomes might be a little lower…. but so is the cost of living.

      Making $50K in Chicago or making $50K in Atlanta is a night and day difference. Making $50K in Atlanta and your standard of living is MUCH higher.

  • richard

    THOSE JOBS DON’T PAY 30 DOLLARS A HOUR. I USED TO WATCH THEM HIRE 200 PEOPLE TO WORK ON A CAR LINE AND AT THE END OF THE WEEK THERE WOULD BE 5 PEOPLE STILL WORKING THERE. AFTER 5 YEARS YOU END UP GOING CRIPPLED IF YOU MAKE IT THAT LONG.

  • JustanOguy

    Unions served their purpose when there were not a thousand labor protection laws on the books and companies could not get sued for millions just for the way a supervisor looks at somebody…

    Today? Just used to protect their members from the million + other people out there that would do the job for less….. and coerce politicians with their voting block and campaign “contributions”.

  • 2Gary2

    Silly low information conservatives–its not the union that tanked Hostess.

    Twinkie CEO Admits Company Took Employees Pensions and Put It Toward Executive Pay

    Hostess company continues to screw over its workers.

    December 11, 2012 |
    Twinkie-maker
    Hostess continues to screw over its workers. The company is in the
    process of complete liquidation and 18,000 unionized workers are set to
    lose their jobs. More troubling – they could lose their pensions.
    According to a report by the Wall Street Journal , Hostess’ CEO, Gregory Rayburn, essentially admitted that his company stole employee pension money and put it toward CEO and senior executive pay (aka “operations”).

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AZ2F3SJ6M7O3536QJDUGT3RXQ4 chris

    Sorry Protesters: Your Jobs Are Being Sent To China” Unless they have a govt. job.
    Why would any business locate in Mi.?

    Great article as usual.

    “”A country this dumb can’t hope to survive”.
    Sadly true.

  • Ralfine

    it’s just another pyramid scheme. you need to be ceo to afford the products. everyone entering at the lower end is losing out.

  • Ralfine

    if everyone earns the average wage, would they be able to afford the products they produce, if part of the price is deducted for profit and tax before becoming wage?

  • Aeffesstoo

    You are talking about a time when the USA had just, for all practical purposes, just won WWII. Our productive capacity was greater than the rest of the world, that had just had theirs destroyed by war.

    Sure we were prosperous then. It would have been hard not to have been. Why do you cherry pick that period in time?

    With respect to Ron Paul’s income, tell me, are you one of the progressives that envy anyone doing better than you, or are you one of the republicans who are afraid that Ron Paul’s ideas will catch hold and destroy your position in the party?

    • RogerfromOhio

      Im a Democrat who pays his taxes and doesnt take from anyone. What period of time are you talking about where Libertarianism was successful and everyone was equally prosperous?

      In other words what makes you think any part of Libertarianism can work in society?

      It hasnt worked and it cant work.

      • Aeffesstoo

        You may not take from anyone personally, but if you are a democrat, you approve of the government taking from those doing better than you to support your socialist ideas.

        I don’t believe Libertarianism proposes everyone should be equally prosperous, only that everyone should be equally free to obtain whatever prosperity they are capable of achieving. I don’t believe we have had anything resembling Libertarianism since the early early twentieth century.

        But lets turn your question around. When has your socialism ever really been successful in the long run?

        As has been said before, it always fails when you run out of other people’s money

        • RogerfromOhio

          I dont believe in socialism…. I do believe in paying for benefits we all receive for being American…. Do you consider our fire/police socialists… how about our public roads…. public schools… Public utilities? These are all paid for by tax payer money…. should we do away with all of these socialist programs??
          I have talked to Libertarians before…. and they have said all those public jobs should be done by volunteers…. just another idea for benefits to be received and not paid for.
          Tell me this… what service are you willing to do for free to support the rest of the community??

          • Aeffesstoo

            It’s funny you call yourself a democrat while claiming not to be a socialist. Perhaps you can explain what a non-socialist democrat believes in.

            Sorry, I can’t speak for the “libertarians you have talked to before” strawman you have created. But in response to the extreme suggestion that we should do away with basic local public services, I would respond that there is nothing wrong with local programs if they are chosen by the local electorate, adequately funded, and controlled by those that benefit from or are affected by them.

            The problem I have with big government democrats (and big government republicans for that matter) is the arrogant, one size fits all, Washington knows what is best approach that you insist on shoving down our throats.

      • JustanOguy

        What a naive statement.

        Big Government has sunk this country to BK levels. Wake up.

  • JustanOguy

    Liar.

    He wanted a Federal Government that follows the constitution which would mean a limited government where all of the taxpayer dollars are not being wasted.

    • RogerfromOhio

      Ron Paul uses the government to line his pockets…. he is worth over $5.2 million from sitting in Congress…. He says he wants to get rid of the Federal Reserve then invests in it….. Ron Paul is lying to you and when you believe him he laughs all the way to the bank.

      Ron Paul loves his sheeple.

  • JustanOguy

    Back in the 50’s, the U.S. dominated the world in Manufacturing and actually producing something that all other countries purchased.

    AKA… Exports exceeded imports and the country was truly wealthy. Ron Paul is one of the very few that understands that concept.

    Part of the 1%? You are such a joke. Considering how long he’s been in office, he profited FAR less then your heroes such as Nancy Pelosi and the other crony socialist progressives.

    Your ignorance has been exposed…. stop Lying because that’s the main problem going on. If more politicians told the truth of what was going on then the American people could MAYBE start making the right choices to return to prosperity instead of sinking down the drain.

    • RogerfromOhio

      Ron Paul is worth over $5.2 Million… I guess being a Congressman pays pretty well…. when he can make crooked investments…. insider trading.. betting against the economy he is pretending to want to fix. Ron Paul just another crooked politician who has ignorant supporters throwing more money at him.

      • Old_Geezer

        If you were actually honestly interested in looking deeper, you’d have found out that Dr. Ron Paul practiced what he preaches: he invested in companies that are involved in mining, precious metals, and one *mutual fund*, Prudent Bear Mutual Fund.

  • GHY

    since companies went global lets unionize china workers with American workers and charge more tariffs until it happens

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Doug-Welch/727191673 Doug Welch

    So I guess the message of this idiotic article is that there is nothing average Americans can do? Good thing I NEVER READ the fallacious Economic Collapse Blog!

  • stoprisk

    Americans themselves are lacking the responsibility to buy American. If you want jobs then stop buying imported goods. It is an easy decision to make.

  • The Dude

    China has taken the modern economic dogma, and turned it into origami. Their strategy is not based on morals, it based on whether or not a policy will benefit China.
    It is not trade or consumption that makes and economy strong. We have missed the target because we have used the wrong metrics. GDP, and the Dow Jones average are the wrong metrics. Americans cannot even tell the difference between assets and liabilities.
    The region can be a powerhouse again if we reconnect with are self reliant values; and replace are model for banking.

  • Theresa Lepiane

    Back in the 50’s one income (It could have been male or female–this is not about women’s lib) ONE INCOME could buy a house…Now 2 incomes can’t keep it out of foreclosure.

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