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How Has The U.S. Government Been Getting User Data From Major Internet Companies?

Prism****IMPORTANT UPDATE****  Apparently the big Internet companies are not as "innocent" in all of this as they originally led us to believe.  So this additional information changes some of the conclusions that I reached in my original article.  It appears that some of the biggest Internet companies have been cooperating with the government in this data collection effort at least to a certain extent.  The following is from an article in the New York Times that describes how the U.S. government has been getting user data from major Internet companies...

The companies that negotiated with the government include Google, which owns YouTube; Microsoft, which owns Hotmail and Skype; Yahoo; Facebook; AOL; Apple; and Paltalk, according to one of the people briefed on the discussions. The companies were legally required to share the data under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. People briefed on the discussions spoke on the condition of anonymity because they are prohibited by law from discussing the content of FISA requests or even acknowledging their existence.

In at least two cases, at Google and Facebook, one of the plans discussed was to build separate, secure portals, like a digital version of the secure physical rooms that have long existed for classified information, in some instances on company servers. Through these online rooms, the government would request data, companies would deposit it and the government would retrieve it, people briefed on the discussions said.

****END OF UPDATE****

The U.S. government has been hacking in to the servers of Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube and Apple and has been taking their user data without their knowledge or consent.  According to the Washington Post, the information being stolen includes "audio and video chats, photographs, e-mails, documents, and connection logs".  This program is known as PRISM, and it was first revealed by the Washington Post on Thursday.  Since the story broke, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper has admitted that PRISM exists and so has Barack Obama.  The Washington Post initially claimed that all of the Internet companies were willingly handing over their user data to the government.  Now we are learning that is NOT true.  In fact, all of the Internet companies named in the Washington Post story have denied knowing about PRISM or ever giving the federal government permission to directly access their servers.  So this means that the U.S. government has been stealing massive amounts of user data from the largest Internet companies in the world without their permission.  Of course this is highly illegal and it directly violates the Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, but you can bet that the Obama administration is going to do everything that it can to get the courts to "make it legal".  Hopefully the revelation of this program will be enough to get the American people to realize that we are rapidly being transformed into a Big Brother police state that is descending into tyranny.

Barack Obama has described the systematic gathering of cell phone records and the Internet spying that the federal government has been doing as "modest encroachments" that we should all just accept as part of the price of living in a modern world, but if we allow the government to get away with this, where will it end?

Even if we had a total "Big Brother" society where the government watched everything that we did 24 hours a day, bad people would still do bad things.  There would still be terror attacks and great tragedies.  No matter how much the government intrudes into our lives, it can never guarantee us 100% safety.

Those that founded the United States understood this.  They did not want this country to be turned into a police state.  That is why they guaranteed us some very important protections in the Bill of Rights.  If the government wants to do a search, there are some very important procedures that must be followed first.

Unfortunately, the Obama administration appears to believe that the Constitution does not apply to user data on the Internet.  The NSA is apparently hacking into Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube and Apple and taking whatever they want without ever getting permission from those companies.

You can bet that there are some very, very angry executives at those companies right now that are trying to figure out how to respond to these revelations.

All of these companies have vehemently denied that they were involved.  At this point, there is no reason to doubt their very strong denials.

For example, the following is what 

Dear Google users—

You may be aware of press reports alleging that Internet companies have joined a secret U.S. government program called PRISM to give the National Security Agency direct access to our servers. As Google’s CEO and Chief Legal Officer, we wanted you to have the facts.

First, we have not joined any program that would give the U.S. government—or any other government—direct access to our servers. Indeed, the U.S. government does not have direct access or a “back door” to the information stored in our data centers. We had not heard of a program called PRISM until yesterday.

Second, we provide user data to governments only in accordance with the law. Our legal team reviews each and every request, and frequently pushes back when requests are overly broad or don’t follow the correct process. Press reports that suggest that Google is providing open-ended access to our users’ data are false, period. Until this week’s reports, we had never heard of the broad type of order that Verizon received—an order that appears to have required them to hand over millions of users’ call records. We were very surprised to learn that such broad orders exist. Any suggestion that Google is disclosing information about our users’ Internet activity on such a scale is completely false.

Finally, this episode confirms what we have long believed—there needs to be a more transparent approach. Google has worked hard, within the confines of the current laws, to be open about the data requests we receive. We post this information on our Transparency Report whenever possible. We were the first company to do this. And, of course, we understand that the U.S. and other governments need to take action to protect their citizens’ safety—including sometimes by using surveillance. But the level of secrecy around the current legal procedures undermines the freedoms we all cherish.

Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg has issued a similar denial.  He insists that Facebook never even heard of PRISM until Thursday...

I want to respond personally to the outrageous press reports about PRISM:

Facebook is not and has never been part of any program to give the US or any other government direct access to our servers. We have never received a blanket request or court order from any government agency asking for information or metadata in bulk, like the one Verizon reportedly received. And if we did, we would fight it aggressively. We hadn't even heard of PRISM before yesterday.

When governments ask Facebook for data, we review each request carefully to make sure they always follow the correct processes and all applicable laws, and then only provide the information if is required by law. We will continue fighting aggressively to keep your information safe and secure.

We strongly encourage all governments to be much more transparent about all programs aimed at keeping the public safe. It's the only way to protect everyone's civil liberties and create the safe and free society we all want over the long term.

So how has the U.S. government been getting this user data if they do not have the cooperation of these large Internet companies?

They have been stealing it.

Is this the kind of society that we want to have?  Do we really want the government to be free to hack into the servers of Internet companies and take user data any time that it wants?

And guess what?

According to the Wall Street Journal, the NSA has also been gathering massive amounts of credit card data as well...

The National Security Agency's monitoring of Americans includes customer records from the three major phone networks as well as emails and Web searches, and the agency also has cataloged credit-card transactions, said people familiar with the agency's activities.

So if you ever bought something embarrassing with a credit card, there is a very good chance that the NSA knows about it.

If you don't like where all of this is headed, then now is the time to stand up and say something about it.

Sadly, the truth is that most of our politicians see absolutely nothing wrong with our current system.  The following is what Barack Obama said in response to the recent revelations about the NSA...

"You can't have 100 percent security and also then have 100 percent privacy and zero inconvenience. We're going to have to make some choices as a society," he said. "I think that on balance, we have established a policy and a procedure that the American people should feel comfortable with."

Do you feel comfortable with the fact that the NSA is hacking into major Internet companies and stealing their user data?

I know that I definitely am not.

I think that the journalist that originally broke the story about how the government is systematically gathering our phone records summed up what many of us are feeling right now pretty well...

“There is a massive apparatus within the United States government that with complete secrecy has been building this enormous structure that has only one goal, and that is to destroy privacy and anonymity, not just in the United States but around the world,” charged Glenn Greenwald, a reporter for the British newspaper “The Guardian,” speaking on CNN. “That is not hyperbole. That is their objective.”

What do you think?

Is all of this government spying good for America or bad for America?

Please feel free to share your opinion by posting a comment below...

 

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  • Boo-urns

    And before a bunch of right- and left-wingnuts start posting, remember that all of this has BROAD BIPARTISAN SUPPORT, was initiated (as far as we know as of now) as part of the so-called “Patriot” Act under Dubya and continued gleefully under Obama.

    If this isn’t ABSOLUTE EVIDENCE that neither party is to be trusted, that both parties are out for nothing but themselves and preserving their power structure and money centers, then you’re a fool.

    THE TIME FOR ALL-OUT REVOLUTION IS NOW.

    • David Forward

      The only difference between the statist loving progressives and their twin brother, the statist loving neoconservatives is which group of self anointed philosopher kings have the ultimate say as to the direction of the American empire and the subservience of the American sheeple.

      Notice how the (Un)Patriot Act was highly praised by the Republicans during Bush’s turn at the top. Bush played toad for the neoconservatives to launch wars in order to spread American dominance and reams of unconstitutional, freedom killing laws on the sheeple. The Democrats (outside of a few months immediately after 9/11) began howling about civil liberty abuses at home and improper assertion of American leadership — through the ruling class, Bush — abroad. Now that the progressives hold the reigns of power they not only support the previous “violations” committed under Republican control, they have doubled down on those controls and added new nightmares (i.e., NDAA) to the quiver of tyrannical state power.

      Voting for Republicans to turn the government around — with a few minor exceptions — is as worthless and futile as the old adage aptly describes, “Fighting for peace is like copulating for virginity.”

      As for your call for revolution, I fear you may already be too late. It’s coming to a head and we’re facing self preservation in face the closing hand of severe tyranny. May the Lord protect and guide us.

    • David

      Totally agree and was with you until the revolution part. Small arms (what we the citizens have) against the military and police state will not work. We need to wake people up. 300 million citizens against the power elite is what they fear. They cannot control the masses when they are mobilized.
      This is not a conservative vs. liberal issue this is the power elite against the people issue. Stop letting them divide us the people with the liberal vs. conservative crap. Both parties are the same and only want one thing… POWER

      • Bad_Mr_Frosty

        Small arms worked great for the Viet Cong and the Afghan Mujaheddin.

        • Adrian

          Not to mention in Iraq and Afghanistan.

      • kfilly

        There are millions of firearms in this country. The American citizenry comprises the largest military force of the entire world. Our active military and military reserves are approximately 2 million people. Approximately, 80 million people own weapons. Let’s say that a third of those 80 million decided to fight. You are still looking at a very large army. You also assume that every soldier will follow orders to fire on their fellow Americans. A lot of those soldiers will fight with the people. Why do you think the gubernment wants us disarmed again? They want us disarmed because we hold all of the power. I am saying it would be easy. No, I am not. We the people would have to fight guerrilla warfare. However, that has worked great nations like Afghanistan, Iraq, and Vietnam. I don’t know about you, but I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees.

        • Ralfine

          I’d rather live in China than die in America. :-)

    • Louise in MO

      The difference between Bush and Obama is when the Patriot Act first was mentioned Bush did NOT try to hide it. Obama not only hides, he lies!

      Obama’s pride and arrogance will not allow him to come before the people and say “I was wrong, we do need the Patriot Act…..on steroids.

      • El Pollo de Oro

        “Barack Obama is so dangerous because he makes people
        that are traditionally anti-torture, anti-war, anti-police state just say,
        ‘Hey, I want NDAA. I want troops on the street. I want TSA sticking their hands down our pants. I want banker bailouts because it’s Obama.’ And strong conservatives went to sleep
        under Bush because hey, he’s a Republican.”—Alex Jones

        • Adrian

          I used to be a lifelong Democrat and I favored Obama over Romney, even though I didn’t vote in the last election. I think Obama is a liar and a disgrace, a wolf in sheep’s clothing. I stand by my principles, whereas so many ideologues on the right and left stand behind their party or its human impersonation, no matter what. Our parties are meaningless, as are our elections and our “democracy”.

    • Adrian

      Yep, both parties are really 2 factions of the same pro-corporate party. Neither cares a wit about the people, and both serve corporate masters. Members of both parties leave government and go sit on corporate boards, earning millions, as a reward for their loyal service. It’s disgusting.

  • Dan

    Now that the cat is out of the bag, of course they are going to vehemently deny they knew about it. Get real.

    • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

      I honestly believe the Internet execs. But things will probably become much clearer over the next few days in either case.

      Michael

      • GSOB

        “We are here taught that the more that troubles oppress us, the more ought we to be instant in prayer.”

      • Louise in MO

        Michael,

        The big question is if this surveillance is so good and important for security , how did the Boston Marathon bombers succeed with their plans?

        I don’t believe a word they say!

      • K

        Michael, you thought that because you see the best in people. Simple fact, large internet companies will do anything for a dollar. And the government pays well. As to the Government. Whatever you think they are capable of, make it 10 times worse. At that point you will be getting close.

  • K

    Do I approve of such activity, NO. Why is this a surprise to anyone? First they passed the patriot act, and most of you did nothing. Then they declared the U.S. a recognized battlefield, in the war on terror. Once again most of you did nothing. And now a few months back, they renewed the patriot act. You should have seen this coming a mile away. You see all the parts of the patriot act. That you thought only applied to foreign enemies. Now applies to all of you. How? When they declared the U.S. an active battlefield in the war on terror.

    • jokyjo

      And now they have added the NDAA. Welcome to communism. We have no more rights.

      • Golf Player

        Facebook recently updated their Community Guidelines to ban any speech criticizing the feminist movement. Welcome to Bloshevik Russia.

    • Charlie

      Next “enemies of the state” will start disappearing in the middle of the night.

      • Adrian

        They already have been! Have you heard of the black sites all over the globe?? Oh, and there’s Guantanamo down in Cuba, also… Extraordinary rendition, anyone?

  • jokyjo

    Our government is run and has been run by criminals for quite some time now. There are many people waking up to reality, however I feel it will be too late for most. Uncle Sam is tightening his grip on the American sheeple as we speak. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

    • GSOB

      A reality that won’t budge.

    • seth datta

      Uncle Sam has been replaced with stepfather B@rack.

  • markthetruth

    ___ ” Please Don’t Call Micheal Synder ”

    __________1-88S-TEA-LING___________

    the end…

  • mijj

    the expression “U.S. Government” is entirely misleading (gives the impression the organization is acting on behalf of the people). The term “Mafia” is a better fit.

    • Golf Player

      The Federal Reserve is not federal either. The country is being used as a corporate entity.

    • Ralfine

      In capitalism the government never acts on behalf of the people.

      Unless “people” are only those who have a few millions in their pockets. Might explain why US Presidents, senators and congress people are millionaires.

      Who of them was a nurse or carpenter or cleaner before being elected?

  • glamandvamp

    Seriously, I wonder if I could get political asylum to somewhere better based on this? As a side note it sure does seem like the US constitution has become nothing more than a roll of toilet paper….sorry to be vulgar but I am very very very upset about these revelations……

    • Golf Player

      The ironic thing is that millions of non-Americans are dying to get in America. It must be the Hollywood propaganda.

      • GSOB

        It’s still a great country.

        • kfilly

          It’s not a great country anymore. It has the potential to be great if people would work together as Americans! The two party system is a sham to keep people divided and fighting among ourselves. The real enemies of the people are the Federal Reserve Bank and any politician that supports the system. There are also corrupt corporations like Monsanto, GE, Goldman Sucks, etc. that also need to be dealt the hand of justice.

          • Louise in MO

            The two party system is not the culprit. It is a culture problem. Their exists two different cultures….the conservative and the progressive.

            It’s interesting that the IRS scandal and the new information about illegal access to everything we do has brought together the TWO parties.

      • kfilly

        I heard that the collapse is a ruse. Dont get me wrong even according to him it will collapse. However, his opinion is that a new system will emerge very quickly (communism). The person I heard it from had a pretty logical case. The people that are being “imported” into the country are poor people who have come from totalitarian countries. We are giving them welfare to keep them content while bankrupting our country at the same time. At this point, the communists in our gubernment will come back with food for the sheep. The class of new citizens won’t mind a totalitarian gubernment as they lived in one before. It will be freedom lovers verses freeloaders/communists. It will be for all the marbles.

        • Bad_Mr_Frosty

          47% don’t pay taxes and most immigrants come from the 3rd world.

          • kfilly

            That is only part of the point. Most immigrants are coming from the 3rd world. Most are coming from totalitarian/corrupt societies. That means they will have no problem taking orders and adapting to a totalitarian communist system. Just keep the bread and circuses coming and they will step in line for the show.

          • Adrian

            Hey, buddy…when was the last time you saw private corporations allowed to operate in a communist system?? Reread the friggin’ article above. PRIVATE companies are giving this stuff to the coercive arm of the federal government!! That’s FASCISM, not communism! You’re 180 degrees turned around!

          • kfilly

            I understand the difference between fascism and communism. The NWO which is what Obama supports is a call for global communism. Obama is a Marxist. He was indoctrinated by the communist Frank Marshall Davis. Just because we don’t have communism yet, doesn’t mean it isn’t coming. What real difference does it make if you live under a fascist or totalitarian communist gubernment when you are on the bottom of the totem poll? Not much. He can easily use the tools of fascism to achieve communism. The war on Christianity, war on traditional families/family values, perversion of culture, and political correctness are Marxist methods of changing a society. Right now we may be fascists, but mark my words communism is coming.

          • kfilly

            Also, read my previous post. Another point I can make is that fascist gubernments don’t take over ownership of private companies (GM and Chrysler)

        • Orange Jean

          Add to that the fact that our younger generations (born from about 1970 on) have been taught in their day care centers and public schools from day one… that the Marxist/Leninist approach to life is the BEST, the most “progressive”, the only FAIR way to live!

          Duped, I tell you… duped!

          • Hammerstrike

            Try after 1945.

          • Adrian

            What planet are you living on??? People have been fed a steady diet of just the opposite! Most Americans, if you ask them, will have a negative view of Marx, and not even be able to tell you why! That’s propaganda in action!

    • Bushisugly

      The Caribbean state of Dominica can offer you a citizenship in Return for something like 75000 dollars. Not a prize for the regular man on main street though.

    • Adrian

      I agree, but my concern (and I mean a MAJOR concern) is the seeming nonchalant, oh well attitude of so many people!! Nobody’s really talking about this. As George Carlin once quipped, “Nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care.” Baaahhhh!, bleat the sheep!

  • glamandvamp

    I used to think that preppers were strange and or paranoid people but the more I think and the more I see and the more I question, the more I see prepping as a logical response to a crazy messed up world and a very unstable time in history. It is like instability is coming at us from all directions, now even from the US government ignoring the Constitution. I don’t think this is going to end well for most people…..

    • Golf Player

      Since Sept 11, 2001 everything was begining to go unstable, but George Bush was smart enough to let the NINJA loans create a false economy from 2002 to 2005 until the stock market crashed in 2008. The new false economy is the Federal Reserve money printing called quantitative easing. Interest rates are at record lows. If interest rates increase, there is going to be another risk of an economic meltdown since many borrowers will default on their loans. And don’t forget the college student loan bubble..We are forever enslaved to the money printers.

      • Blackhawk

        Humans living in a community are bound only by Common Law, all other legalese is optional for the human but not for the corporate entity.
        If you believe yourself to be a corporate entity, than you’re perfectly right, all human beings convinced that they are corporate entities, are indeed used as slaves.
        if you believe you’re a human being, inform yourself about your strawman and become free.

      • Adrian

        I’ve never seen the word “smart” used in the same sentence with George W. Bush before! That’s a first!

    • Ayn Rand

      Big Brother is no longer fiction. We are living in the Information Age, and that Information is power. Governments always lust for more power.

      • GSOB

        Agree,
        The technology was once just for the military.
        Taxes on all net transactions are easily passable now.

        • Orange Jean

          Funny when you think also how expensive all those ways we end up getting “hooked up” to all these devices are (phones, internet, cable TV etc)… we are paying for it TWICE or more… TAXES for R&D to develop the technology, pay for the technology… then pay again to access the technology.

          Years ago, the MOST I had ever paid for a phone was $12… and the most expensive phone bill I had was $50 (an extravagance, when I spent an hour on the phone over the holidays talking with a family member overseas). My normal phone bill was something like $25. Most of the time if I wanted to communicate with someone in another state, I’d write a letter. Occasionally would do a long distance call, but would consider carefully if my budget would allow it before I did it.

      • Adrian

        Hey, Ayn, don’t forget the private corporations who are working hand in hand with Big Brother. They don’t get off the hook, do they? Corporations have merged with the state. So much for the myth of freedom connected with the free market, lol.

        • Ayn Rand

          Are you trying to push some good old fashioned anti libertarian propaganda? If you are, please stop. I hate the corporations because they are the exact opposite of the free market. They rig the market and make it impossible for any true competition to exist. The free market does create freedom. The only problem is, government is too easily bought.

          • Adrian

            No, I agree with libertarians on half their agenda: that government has no business trying to stifle liberty or our freedoms. I just disagree with them on their worship of the ‘free market’. I see many people commenting on here about how invasive the government is, which it is, but letting their corporate enablers off the hook. With a name like Ayn Rand, I figured you were one of those too. I’m glad you don’t like corporations, as I don’t, either. They have bought out the government.

          • Ayn Rand

            The thing is, the free market is a good thing. It is just that we haven’t had one for nigh 100 years. If we had a TRUE free market, the corporations and monopolies wouldn’t be so powerful because their would be competition. Thank you for your understanding reply.

    • markthetruth

      Why would you think that ! it’s not just what’s going on now people are to complacent with everything . Try to find someone that has Jumper cables wh

      • Orange Jean

        Excellent points… last time I traded in a vehicle, I forgot to check and left them my jumper cables.

        I have also run into situations where cell phones don’t work (mainly in the mountains), and they run out of juice pretty quickly it seems any time you have a real emergency. I went on a 2 week trip to CA once and forgot my cell charger, it died so I went to the store to buy one as a spare… and they no longer carried a model that would fit my cell phone (which was only 3-4 yrs old, and worked perfectly fine … but was now considered “obsolete”).

      • jaxon64

        you make an excellent poiunt Mark..I for one actually do have cables…I’ve made sure my wife’s car has cables, a spare and a working jack–not only that, both of my daughter’s cars have full emergency kits with cables, flares, duct tape, screwwdrivers, a knife, water pouches and even protein bars–these are my gorls and I don’t want them stranded and unsafe.
        Of course the naysayers would call me nuts or over the top–but it won’t be my girls in a helpless situation…

        • jaxon64

          sorry for my “fat thumb syndrome”..it should say “excellent point”..and also “my girls”

        • Ralfine

          And in winter you carry a shovel, blankets and snow chains?

  • glamandvamp

    Oh dear God I just thought of something? Are we all at risk here – Micheal the owner of this site, and the rest of us for logging on and posting here? Is the government going to come and hassle us in some way now? I would have thought not long ago that such questions were evidence of paranoia but not anymore…….
    what exaclty is the government looking for by collecting all this data anyway?

    • K

      Relax glam. I have read most of your postings. They would consider you harmless. As to some of the rest of us, most likely we are on almost all of their lists already.

    • Golf Player

      The government is looking for anyone who are:
      posting comments critical of them, whistleblowers,
      in certain “conspiracy” websites
      questioning authority
      resisting authority
      advocating 2nd amendment rights
      exposing corporations
      Anything which doesn’t comply with the government

      All of that under the pretense of “eradicating terrorism”. Those bearded men in caves surely know how to type when they don’t know their ABCs.

    • GSOB

      Here is what Christians are instructed to do from Romans 13.

      1 Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.
      2 Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.
      3 For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same;
      4 for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil.
      5 Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience’ sake.
      6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing.
      7 Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.

      • K

        Sorry out of context. First off, it says higher authority, not governing authority. God is the higher authority. I could go into many pages explaining how out of context this is, but let me spare you that. In this land which is the higher authority? The law. or a man? No one is above the law, so it must be the law. So if any person, or groups of people violate the law, as a Christian you are not required to obey them in those areas.So if any Goverment in the U.S. violates the Constitution, it becomes outlaw in those areas. You no longer have to obey them, in those areas in which they are outlaw. Render unto caesar that which is caesar’s, and unto God that which is God’s. It does rather put a limit, on what you must render to caesar..

        • GSOB

          Oh brother,…

          “No one is above the law, so it must be the law.’ – so eloquently stated.

          As Christians – we fulfill the moral law, codified in scripture as the 10 commandments due to the power of God’s ransforming work.

          The law you and I are in context with scripture are talking about is God’s ministers (governing authorities) of capital

          We are to love our enemies and pray for those authorities over us. No greater love is this than to lay down ones’ life for another. Owe no debt to no one except love.

          • K

            As long as you recognise there are exceptions.We have no disagreement. My position is simple. Had I been alive, I would not have obeyed Hitler. Nor will I obey any future Hitlers.

          • GSOB

            I know of at least two exceptions depicted in the Bible that God blessed, but In any case, it is an anguish of soul for the believer standing
            in opposition to the law of the land and praying to God’s for protection, blessing, and for His face to shine upon them.

            The birth of Moses is one and the Rahab the harlot hiding the spies in Joshua 6:25

            The moral thread which connects these two and many others in holy scripture is this:

            Believers are not obligated to be truthful in our answers to God’s enemies.

            Someone may disagree with that and say that it is never right to lie.

            God has a purpose and will carry it out and those who are in line with that, are blessed. That’s how I figure it.

            The government wants data on all it’s people for security, revenue and to strengthen it’s autonomy in the world (power).

          • Louise in MO

            Amen!

    • Bad_Mr_Frosty

      THEY’RE AT YOUR DOOR, RUN!!!

      j/k

      You’re no threat to the government, so they don’t care about you.

    • Louise in MO

      You are absolutely wise to ask that question. Yes, we are vulnerable. They openly stated “we study patterns.” So if it is our “pattern” to log on to “The Economic Collapse” , read, and then also comment, we are vulnerable.

      As I stated in a previous comment, we could be considered “dissidents” and dangerous to “homeland security.”

      Do we think that to be outlandish thinking? Did most of us ever think that the IRS would be used to target a specific group of people? Did we ever consider the Attorney General of the United States would go after the press? Did we ever think we would dump four men in Benghazi and not send help when they are under attack, and then lie about it?

  • markthetruth

    “And They Say What You Don’t Know Won’t Hurt You”

    the end…

    • markthetruth

      Reply to Micheal’s Update . The new U.S. industrial Industry >>>>>>>

      …………. D A T A ____M I N I N G …………

      the end…

  • john mcginnis

    I can’t believe that I am reading this and the author writes it with a straight face. –
    “Second, we provide user data to governments only in accordance with the law. …” — from Google.
    That’s the biggest dodge yet. Of course they do, just like Verizon will for the next near 90 days. So the FISA court sends Google an order to provide a data dump of everything for the last 30 days. They comply. And folks that is `in accordance with the law.`
    That is complicity, not stealing.

    • GSOB

      PRISM is a new revelation for most of us,

      though it’s secretly been going on for years.

      Bottom line, It’s a stealing from me and you – so, what you hear or read in the MSM news is meant to intoxicate the masses,…. to pass internet taxes on all while they’re LOOKING for terrorist hunting.

      The truth john…….

      They know who you are, where you live, how much you make, the transactions you make, your credit report.

      They have access to your medical records,

      e-mails. phone calls, your past, present and future.

      In this sense, we all have been complicit

      • john mcginnis

        “to pass internet taxes on all while they’re LOOKING for terrorist hunting.”

        If you are to take them on the face as truthful in their pontifications, then they ARE NOT lookng for terrorists. I worked for GTE/Verizon for 20 years. I know what the AMA & cell tower records look like. It is very true that just having that data without a NAME is useless. That of course is the rub it is all useless without a name. So at some point they need a linkage between the meta and the name. Now they probably have that too without a warrant but that is not the point. Its all garbage till the link is made. They are wasting our money in all of this and that alone should make you mad.

        Worse. A really good terrorist would snag somebody’s phone, copy the IMSI off the unit, dup it to a new phone then place the original back. So long as the terrorist did not do international calls or massive roaming most would be none the wiser. How often do most folks look at the detail record of their phone bill? Hardly none. Yet the Fed Data Miner would tip to the original owner as the point of origin for the terrorist traffic. How nice.

        • GSOB

          Interesting but my head is still spinning……

  • Golf Player

    The sheeple will go meh and say “I have nothing to hide so I don’t mind the government invading my privacy…Because the government is trying to stop the Chechens and Moslem extremists from harming us”…

    One sentence which nearly got me expelled from school one week after 9/11:

    “How could the air forces let two planes crash into the towers with all of that security the government already has?”

    • Ralfine

      All those who have nothing to hide, should go naked and live in a glass house.

      • GSOB

        ‘Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.’

        Groucho Marx

        • Cairan

          That, alas is what the Marx’s have ALWAYS done.

          • Ralfine

            Which Marxs? You mean Karl Marx? Have an example?

            Which part of his analysis of capitalism is wrong?

  • Gregge K Johnson

    Mark Zuckerberg is not telling the truth,,,,there are numerous former employees that will tell you ,that in accounting deposits of millions and millions of dollars paid by government agency’s FOR information . Request a freedom of information from GAO for money transfer to Facebook .

    • Cairan

      Of course Zuckerberg is lying. He’s ONE of them.

      • Humane Vegan

        One big mafia serving a piece of desert land in Palestine.

  • BlackDog

    Three words: National Security Letters. NSLs require the possessor to absolutely not talk about the NSLs, their content, and to deny their existence at any and all inquiries. What NSLs don’t define, is what if a foreign or domestic competitior ‘somehow’ winds up with your proprietary technology — because of a breach in your data — and now you have to pay to keep it a secret. I believe that’s called blackmail. Whats more, the IRS routinely keeps tabs on ALL holders of NSLs. I’d say they (the agencies) are all in collusion. If we don’t stop this now, it will get away from us. Can we shoot them yet?

  • Blackhawk

    As long as the surveillance system is manned by human beings for the benefit of humankind and every individual has access to his recordings on demand, there is no problem, is quite a necessity in complex social systems. The problem is when this whole system built by humans is for the benefit of few self selected ones which believe they can claim property on everyone else by swindle. There is the sensitive point that has to be addressed and legislation enacted by human beings and not corporate entities, but first everyone of us has to start to make the clear distinction between human being and the corporate entity and that is the inner work of every individual. The human being living in a community is bound only by the Common Law or the Natural Law, the rest is optional legalese for the human. Language has been used to program every individual to believe that is a corporate entity bound by countless legalese, and language has to be employed to work on the deprogramming.
    The work of linguists and outspoken people is to identify key words, words used to impose authority, dynamics in the meaning of words and history of language evolution. This is a tremendous task, but I think is our duty as humans to evolve towards individual freedom unencumbered by authority.

    • john mcginnis

      I believe you are muddying a very basic fact. Here’s the 4th Amendment — “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers,
      and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
      violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause,
      supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place
      to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.” Now lets say the Founders lived today. That passage might now read — “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, SERVERS
      and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
      violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause,
      supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place
      to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

      All this stupidity would cease with that one simple change in the Amendment. Simply, complexity is not the issue here.

      • GSOB

        Not really. You see, we have the Bible and yet be it the most published, the least read.

      • Blackhawk

        You perfectly right, not complexity is the issue, the loss of humanness is the real issue if anyone still remembers what is that.
        The question is how long before the internet/surveillance/weaponry system becomes conscious of itself and turn against humanity.
        In complex human societies the faster the humanness degrades the faster that society reaches the point of self destruction or in other words when the loss of humanness is replaced by more and more legislation that society collapses on itself.

  • Jimbo

    This is the double edged sword of the internet. It empowers citizens by allowing them to share knowledge and educates those in less fortunate countries whilst at the same time giving governments and corporations evidence of our thoughts and opinions. Knowledge is power. The internet is knowledge. It gave the Chinese people the power to see that ordinary western people had a good standard of living and were not pathologically evil. It is doing the same in places like Iran. Meanwhile it will allow our governments to control us even more.

  • seth datta

    These elites want to be God. God is replaced with the worldly religion of humanism.

    It
    goes way further than this. Ever noticed that the government admits
    these things ‘after the fact’? I have mentioned EEG heterodyning and the
    mass sureveillance grid set up around the world by Anglo-American
    corporations. Mainly military-related, infrastructure and
    telecommunications companies. This will be used to enslave us to a
    ‘one-World-government’. This is currently happening as we speak. Look
    these things up on google and remember that some of the stuff out there
    is disinfo to hide the truth.

    They are stripping us of our humanity.

    • Cairan

      Ther Bible is the TALMUD. It’s not “Anglos”. It’s Talmudic JEWS.

      • Humane Vegan

        I hope u arent Patricia Macallister, she lost her job for claiming that Wall St was run by Jews. She was an LA teacher.

  • Ralfine

    HAHAHAHA LOL ROTFLMAO

    You didn’t know???

    Since when asks the US government for permission?
    How naiv are you?

    • Jimbo

      OMGFFS

    • Shmeggle Marxist

      you are clearly a felationist

  • Shmeggle Marxist

    humpnet has gone online

  • Cincinnati Dave

    I knew as soon as Bush created the “Department of Homeland Security” we as a nation were starting to go down the slippery slope of tyranny. Nothing surprises me anymore. Our government is inching toward total domination of every aspect of our daily lives. It makes me sick to even think about it.

  • Jack Hoff

    OLD NEWS

  • Cairan

    The US “Government” is AIPAC. Talmudic tyrants. They’ve been thieves, and many other things, for ever. John 8:38-44

    • Humane Vegan

      The Torah Jews lived in peace with Palestinians until Britian let in hundreds of thousands of Talmud Ashkenazim Jews to form the war state of Israel. It is not anti-semitic to say that America, although in an economic crisis, is busy giving away money to Israel while financing Saudi Arabian dictatorships.

  • Stacey

    Michail , Loved your book. Will there be a part two? I would love to know what happens next.

  • Ken

    Hey guys. New here but checking out the website for a while. I may have my issues, but am i losing my mind or is America in some SERIOUS trouble here? With everything getting worse, and so many people just being “ok” with it?

    • jo6pac

      Well at lest you noticed so you might make it and yes Amerika Main Street is screwed.

    • Orange Jean

      NOT a figment of your imagination, unfortunately…

    • p1

      people are to busy watchin idol

  • Blue Dog

    The government knows who you talk to, who you email, and how you spend your money. They can use that information to blackmail their political enemies. Justice Roberts voted for Obamacare. I wonder what they had on him.

  • Blacky Lawless

    “He who would sacrifice freedom for security deserves neither”…B. Franklin. On your feet or on your knees…Where’s Frank Zappa when we really need him?

    • Orange Jean

      dead….

  • piccadillybabe

    You would think that it would be very boring after awhile peering into people’s email and cell phone calls, etc. Most people live very boring law-abiding lives i.e., eat, work, sleep, watch TV, surf the net and basically communicate with family and friends and talk about kids, work, what the neighbors are doing or what happened on the their favorite soap opera. There are a few, of course, that dabble in the illegal stuff and I am sure everyone knows who they are including law enforcement. So, it comes down to, WTF is this all about. To quote Shakespeare: “Much ado about nothing.”

    • K

      Most people live boring law-abiding lives. Are you sure? Have you really kept track of all the laws that have been passed since 9/11? Under the patriot act, do you really understand, how many things can be considered supporting terrorism? That is what the spying is for, control. To gather enough information to charge everyone with some kind of violation. Why? For the purpose of control. You get out of line, they arrest you on some silly charge. Remember, they do not need a conviction. The arrest alone terrifies most people into silence. So if you have ever objected to any Government policies, or even had more than 2 weeks of food in your house. You may not be as law-abiding as you think.

    • Humane Vegan

      People live “boring law abiding lives” because the laws restrict freedom and small businesses in the first place. Think about the persons in Germany from 1918 to 1933 who were rich and the majority who were poor. The same thing is beginning in America.

      • Louise in MO

        And, along came Adolph. How did that turn out?

      • Tom

        The Rothschilds funded the Nazis and the Holy wars began after the Rothschilds sacrificed some of their own people.

  • Paul

    I don’t know what’s scarier, the government hacking these social site, or the fact that these sites didn’t know they were hacked…if that’s what you believe. I’m sure this is nothing new and just the tip of the Iceberg…

  • Not me!

    This is old news. The Narus machines have been installed in the communication hubs for years.

    • Robert (qslv)

      Exactly. There was an article in Wired on PRISM in 2008. Have you all been sleeping for 5 years?

  • Humane Vegan

    Criticise wall street bankers, AIPAC, Israel or the Talmud. See how quick you lose your job, be blacklisted on the job market or become a target for the FBI.

  • Louise in MO

    There aren’t enough or strong enough words to describe what I’m feeling right now; outraged, infuriated are just two.

    This is by far the most shocking display of government crime I have ever heard of. This is and should be on every Americans consciousness.

    We need protests in the streets of Washington DC. I intend to go and I encourage others to do likewise. We need to march to the Capital, the Pentagon and Pennsylvania Avenue. These protests must be large and non violent. However, they should be loud and long! Emails and letters, phone calls will not do a damm thing.

    We are steps away from a takeover of our country. In fact, we are only days away from a takeover. If we do not stand up to these traitors NOW next week or next month will be too late!

  • Louise in MO

    After reading the comments I came back to make an additional comment.

    Most of you aren’t commenting on Michael’s post! You are out in left field. He’s talking about the THEFT by government hackers into major service providers WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE!

    This information is a FIVE ALARM fire. Most of you are not on suject and go off target.

    I didn’t read anyone who suggests anything but the same old stories. This is a monumental event in our history. If we don’t do more than PREP, how in the world do you think we are getting our country back!

    Wheres the bravado and big talk …..I think you are cowards! If you do nothing then you deserve the government’s foot on you back and those of your families.

    Oh we talk about revolution but do nothing! I’m willing to go to DC and protest……anyone else game?

    • GSOB

      And you can go your own way too.

    • Orange Jean

      I’m not saying the theft doesn’t happen… but why are you assuming that just because major service providers are now telling you this happened without their knowledge… that that was actually the case??

      How would ANY of us know the truth, either way?

      Having lived through the 60s and 70s… I don’t believe protest marches do much of anything. A lot of people I knew who would get involved in that sort of activity actually mostly did it as a sort of social network… how to meet people to get laid. Sad, but true to what I saw. And I keep seeing the same people protesting one thing after another…. one week protest the war, next week protest to support gays coming out, next week protest save the whales, etc. etc.

      • Louise in MO

        I was busy raising my family and working full time in the 60s and 70s. So you can count me out of the pot smokers and drug users /protestors from that era.

        So, what are we saying here? Wait until they take over and wait until they come for our weapons? Then, do something? I really don’t think so.

        Are we just going to write blogs and comments? Because it’s safe? It isn’t safe anymore. The word “dissidents” comes to mind. Is that us? Depends on what Big Brother thinks.

  • Blackhawk

    We humans believe that the ones in charge of pressing the buttons of the technocratic system know very well what they’re doing when in fact those very ones feel that everything is skidding out of control. Government and any other agencies will never have the logistic means to handle all the information they gather.The real issue is the technological system (internet/surveillance/weaponry) getting conscious about itself and using all information to turn against humanity. We humans have no ideea how close we are, yet the system is ceaselessly marching to the point of total domination while keeping all humans distracted with political charades, sport games, casino-like markets and other meaningless business.
    Those ones still at the controls of the system if they have any humanness left in their hearts have to step in front without fear and hand over those buttons. If humanity at large is not capable to claim back that system than it’s better to discard it as soon as possible.
    Fear,greed and lust for power prevents those at the buttons from coming clean in front of all humankind.
    All control freaks ultimately will find out that nothing is controllable.

    • Orange Jean

      Blackhawk,
      You made some very interesting comments in your posts on this subject … thanks for pointing that out.

      But I’m not entirely sure that I agree with your statement that “Government and any other agencies will never have the logistic means to handle all the information they gather.”

      Look into the topic “Big Data” … I’ve gotten emails recently from SAS (I do a lot of SAS programming); they were advertising their newest classes related to analyzing Big Data. I don’t exactly work with that sort of thing as such (Big Data analysis), but in my job… I analyze millions of electronic medical records daily, looking for patterns. I work in government, and I can testify that I am NOT a machine! (I am very human, have made plenty of mistakes in my lifetime… and I am getting older … my body is starting to fall apart and I do have aches and pains to prove it).

      As to your comments about machines taking over… well, the Terminator movies notwithstanding… it seems far fetched to me, but then a LOT of what used to sound far fetched seems to have come to pass recently. So I am not going to say that anything is impossible! I have read some articles also that said that through all this computer connectivity … that the younger generation (Gen Y and later) has been “evolving” into something that some feel may not quite be human anymore. Kind of creepy ideas, but those articles had to do with how our early years socializing is what makes us human… and when you change parenting from other humans to machines, it changes the brains of those children possibly permanently.

      And I do see a lot of young people who appear to have a very hard time communicating and socializing in any way that seems normal or that I can relate to… like texting someone they are sitting right in front of rather than talking to them. The flash mob thing and what I’ve seen in the workplace … two incidence of gang mobbing (bullying people organized through computer messaging) are direct results of this and are not pretty.

      I am so not looking forward to seeing how this all plays out in our lifetime!

      At times I think our only hope would be if we get one of those sun storms that knocks out all the power, at least for a number of years.

      • Blackhawk

        Greetings
        Orange Jean!

        I see your point and I
        respect your opinions.

        To make my points clear I
        would like to set forth two issues which every human on this planet should get
        involved and discuss:

        1. Why there is no scientific study about this exponential
        growth in intelligence of the technocratic system?

        2. Why the basic human rights are heavily encoded under legal
        language full of ambiguities and open to all kinds of interpretation? Just go
        around and ask as many fellow humans as you can about their basic rights and
        you will find no two similar answers.

        Take a look at the universal declaration of human rights and
        guide as many humans possible to do the same thing and discuss this issue. To
        make my point clearer I give you an example of how to approach this:

        Article 3 sounds like this:” Everyone has the right to life, liberty and
        security of person.” Why is not like
        this: “Every human being has the right to life, freedom and physical,
        intellectual and moral integrity” or any other formulation which doesn’t leave
        too much space for interpretation. For instance a person is not only the human
        being. A person is a corporate entity as well.

        Language coding is everywhere and the dynamics of change in the
        meaning of words is faster than ever, henceforth the growing conflict between
        generations. At this pace we will see our children taken away from us in our
        lifetime and we’ll find ourselves incapable to do anything.

        I hope I made my points clearer for the benefit of all humanity.

        Thank you for your attention!

        • Blackhawk

          One more thing. Please carefully listen Kennedy’s speech on Secret Societies and challenge others to see where he was pointing.

          His speech is more actual than ever.

      • Blackhawk

        Since you put this comment up a question has been rattling
        in my mind, but I didn’t want to put it because I know how emotional some
        people are about their line of work. You see I do not know too much about
        computer programming and I do not spend a lot of time on the internet, but I
        know a bit human psychology. Now can you shed some light please, if you don’t
        mind, on what kind of computer program would enable a human being to analyze millions
        of medical records daily considering that the human conscious mind has at its
        disposal only about 28800 seconds in an 8 hours workday? The existence of such
        program is mind boggling for me and if you find it in your heart to share that
        knowledge, I would very much appreciate your efforts.

        Regarding the solar EMP I think that would be a too easy way
        out for us. Humanness has to return in each human being as a result of an
        internal work and not with external help. An EMP would be the equivalent of a savior
        for humanity but I don’t know if its effect would return humanness in the human
        heart.

        Once again I would like to apologize for my intrusion.

  • Nexusfast123

    No surprise…the Internet companies take our data/IP and repackage to sell and then the government comes along and takes the information to try and spot an ‘event’ in amongst billions of bits of information. They would have more chance of winning the lottery than actually stopping anything if that is the purpose.

  • Orange Jean

    Ask yourself this: how many young people do you know who are NOT thoroughly hooked up to “devices” and like it that way?

    I don’t know a single one, and about 90% of the people I work with are under 30.

    Maybe that thing about getting them used to it from the time they are born (in hospital, then at home with baby monitors) has something to do with it?

    • Blackhawk

      I have asked myself the same question and I think we see a pattern emerging here. Please take a look at my last posts to see if it’s the same pattern.

      • Orange Jean

        I replied to this a bit earlier, thanks for you comments… they were thought provoking.

    • Louise in MO

      You are correct…young people are wired…all the time. I talked to our 26 year old grandson today…he called on his iPhone.

      During his call I asked him what he thought about the newest info on the datamining. His reply…can’t see how it would hurt anyone. Then I asked him if it was so good, how did the Boston Marathon bombers succeed?

      He was very quiet for awhile and then replied, “that’s a very good question. I didn’t think of that.” I told him to ask his friends the same question.

      We have seven grown grandchildren. They are all wired!

      • Tom

        You wur lucky that your grandson didn’t label you as a crazy conspiracy theorist! There is still hope for humanity.

    • lifter

      21 without an iphone. Some of us still exist.

      • Orange Jean

        Glad to hear that! Means you can still read and think.

  • none

    GOOD NEWS MICHEAL:
    The government can cut the costs of law enforcment across the country.
    After the surime court rulled in favor of allowing law enforcment to collect D.N.A. from ONLY suspects breaking almost any law.
    They can “open up” the search odds to about 90-80%.
    Then be able to go back generations, even to the time of the Mayflower? Then be able to mach it to anyones great grandparents, or even any sort of relative.
    Then law enforcent can arrest any offender.,,, Using D.N.A.
    *NOTE* The current COTAS D.N.A. system will not allow this. This new data base can “get around” it.

  • 2Gary2

    Michael–I had to stop reading your book and let you know how much I agreed with the protesters signs that Melissa saw as she was stuck in traffic while on her way to see Tom.

    That one that says “Tax the greedy to help the needy” I can really relate to :)

    Was it difficult to write so many separate stories and then (I assume) weave them into a single story? I could never be a writer so I really respect those that can write.

    So far I am really enjoying your book. Good work!

    • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

      Gary:

      I figured that you would enjoy those protest slogans. :) I tried to accurately portray many of the frustrations that people like you are currency expressing, and hopefully I was able to achieve that.

      And I hope that people who start to read the book don’t lose patience with the disparate storylines. They DO all eventually come together.

      Personally, I like novels with a bunch of different characters and a bunch of different storylines. I wanted to have a lot of “stuff” going on, and all of the storylines in the book weave together in the second half of the novel when the pace of the novel really picks up steam.

      Michael

  • seth datta

    The establishment must tell us about the NWO and prism through ‘leaked scandals’, otherwise, if they sprung many of the things upon us, none of us would accept it and we would rebel en masse; too difficult for them to control. The creeping incrementalism is meant to condition us to our new position as obvious slaves. Think about it; if a new generation of kids grows up never knowing liberty, they will assume this to be the normal order of things and as such they will never question the system or rebel.

    • Tom

      Before the Roman and Greek empires fell, sexual deviance was common in culture, art and literature. Look at America’s morality today and see if history is repeating itself.

    • jaded

      Very good point. Also a very scary thought that could become a reality. Peer pressure/thinking outside the status quo is usually looked down upon.

  • Tom

    Who they think we are? Lab rats?

    • Therrion

      Yes, to be honest. Sorry to break it to you , but freedom has rarely came without bloodshed. The newer generation is too weak and brainwashed to do what it takes to make real change. So just sit back and enjoy your cage.

  • faded

    So what i got from both of those statements is that they are not giving the gov info but if the gov so happen to find its way into their servers no harm no foul?

  • Goldminer

    The NSA is building Americas biggest spy center in Utah near Salt lake city. It is a 1 million sq ft. Building designed to spy on everything you do, buy, call, text, drive, email, post on the internet, ECT, ECT. The totalitarian state has arrived.

    • HerrinSchadenfreude

      And so too should Tyler Durden.

  • HerrinSchadenfreude

    Can’t really say I buy such form denials that are identical almost to the letter from these companies. Sounds like BS to me. With that said? So much for the idea of draconian government that does not have the public interest at heart being the stock of fiction and paranoid delusion built up in the heads of conspiracy theorist wackos.

  • WarriorClass III

    The Fourth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States:

    “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

    The FBI, IRS, DOJ, DHS, CIA, the Supreme Court, and the White House are no longer a legitimate governing body, having broken their governing contract with the states (the Constitution) on so many occasions, the Federal government has voided its right to govern.

    The fact that every State Government has allowed this to continue on so long a time, renders their governing contract just as void and illegitimate as the Federal Government’s.

    It’s way past time to re-secure our God-given inalienable rights. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

  • MeMadMax

    The first thing they teach us in network security 101 is: Any computer(or device) connected to the internet is UNSECURED.

  • Ralfine

    Why do you think, google wants your phone number, too?

  • Ralfine

    If the NSA told these companies that the program was called “Pyramid”, then they might still say the truth that they never heard of “Prism”.

    Anyway, now that we know it is OK to spy on all foreigners, the same right could be conceded to China and Iran.

  • p1

    We the people have to wake up and shout. No more talking we need to walk the walk and do what needs done. We no longer can be on the sidelines start local to make the change and dont worry about big brother he no longer matters only what you do makes the difference.

    • Ralfine

      Yes, shout all you can. It’s your right.

      But who cares?

      The moment you change from shouting to “occupying” they send in the police and judges to have you removed from anybody’s sight.

      Try to resist arrest.

      And if you follow Manning or Snowden and talk about really bad things, you risk spending the rest of your life in prison, if you are lucky and don’t die from torture or accidents.

      So, shout all you like. As soon as it matters, you are arrested for “revealing state secrets” as they’d call it in China and North Korea.

  • Mondobeyondo

    How innovative of our friendly federal government to hack into social media, search engines, etc. – data mining for every tidbit of information it can come up with. All to keep us safe, of course!

    Do you know how many terrorists and psychos use Facebook, Twitter, etc.? The Colorado theater shooting didn’t, and Jared Loughner (guy who shot former Rep. Gabby Giffords) didn’t, to the best of my knowledge. The Boston bombing suspects MAY have used Facebook. But generally speaking, a social misfit or outcast isn’t going to have a Facebook or Twitter account announcing his/her plans to the world.

    It’s not to keep the public safe and secure, it’s to spy and snoop on us. To see what we’re up to, if you know what I mean. Then the government can let the IRS know that you’re a Tea Party supporter or whatever, etc.

    Not to worry, all’s fair in love and hacking though. China has been hacking into U.S. systems as well. So it’s like one of those “Spy Vs. Spy” comics from MAD Magazine…

    • K

      Good to see you Mondo. You had some of us a little worried. Yep, just like the old KGB. They probably have a file on most of us.

  • Rob83

    Personally I’m surprised that people are shocked about this. After all the government can request at any time that your ISP (internet service provider) give up , up to at least 2 years of your internet history.

    Privacy online doesn’t exist. And never really has existed. Were you go and what you download is always being recorded.

    I’m not okay with this, but that is our reality. The difference is that people are now coming forward to confirm what everybody else has already suspected.

  • Paul

    Of course the companies are in collusion with the Government, do you think they wouldn’t know if they were being hacked?

  • Ralfine

    Remember, when google “accidentally” collected details of all WiFi networks while they were photographing streets and people and cars for their street view?

    And they still ask you to reveal all your other e-mail addresses to keep everything “conveniently” in one place.

    Maybe it’s time to watch all those NSA and CIA movies again, like “Enemy of the state”, or “Three days of the condor”.

  • Adrian

    What better way to illustrate the merger of corporations with the government than this cooperation between these companies and the coercive arm of the state? We have a Mussolini brand of fascism in this country, a corporate state. I laugh at all those clowns who call Obama a socialist; he’s a fascist (to the far right, not the far left, which is what a socialist would be).

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