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For a long time, there have been those that have warned that economic riots are coming to this nation.  Anger and frustration with the economy and with our financial system have grown to unprecedented levels, and this has fueled the rise of the various protest movements that we have seen over the last couple of years.  People are fed up and they want solutions.  Unfortunately, anger and frustration can express themselves in dangerous and unpredictable ways.  What we have seen in Oakland, in Seattle and in other major U.S. cities this week is only just the beginning of the massive economic riots that are coming to this country.  Yes, “anarchists” were responsible for quite a bit of the violence that we have seen this week, but they were not the only ones involved.  Some protesters were getting violent too, and there has also been quite a bit of police brutality.  Of course the vast majority of Occupy Wall Street protesters do not want anything to do with violence and they recognize that violence is not the answer.  But that is the thing with anger and frustration.  It is hard to contain them in neat, self-disciplined packages.  As the economy continues to get worse, the protests will grow and unfortunately so will the violence.  You can preach the benefits of non-violence all day long to some people but they just will not get it.  America has reached a turning point, and what we are seeing now is only just the beginning of the madness.  In the years ahead we are going to see rioting that is going to be absolutely unprecedented.

According to a recent Associated Press-GfK poll, 43 percent of all Americans believe that the economy is in “very poor” shape.  Millions of Americans have lost their jobs, millions of Americans have lost their homes and tens of millions of Americans have been sickened by what they have seen happen on Wall Street over the last four or five years.  It is easy to understand why people are frustrated and are marching in the streets.  As I wrote about yesterday, approximately one out of every seven Americans is on food stamps.  Poverty is rapidly spreading and large numbers of families have lost everything.  People want answers, and it is understandable why so many are joining these protest movements.

Over the last couple of years, people such as Gerald Celente and myself have been warning that economic riots are coming.  Those of us that have written about such things have been called “doom and gloomers” and “conspiracy theorists”.

But after the events of the last couple of months, almost everyone is starting to realize that something big is happening.

On Wednesday, huge crowds of protesters brought the city of Oakland, California to a standstill.  Some media organizations said that there were 5,000 protesters, but others claimed that there may have been up to 20,000 people marching at one point.

A group of approximately 3,000 protesters marched over and shut down the Port of Oakland, which is the fifth largest deepwater port in the United States.

In other areas of the city, windows were smashed, graffiti was sprayed on buildings and senseless acts of vandalism were committed.  There were also quite a few intense confrontations with police and dozens of protesters ended up getting arrested.

The following is how an article in USA Today described what went down….

Riot police arrested more than 80 protesters in the city’s downtown, where bands of demonstrators threw chunks of concrete and metal pipes as well as lit roman candles and firebombs, police said. Five protesters and several officers were injured.

You can see shocking pictures of some of the vandalism that was going on during these protests right here.

At one point, one group of protesters took over an empty building that had once been used to help the homeless.  The following is what an article in the Los Angeles Times says happened next….

Demonstrators managed to gain entry to an empty building that had housed the Traveler’s Aid Society, a nonprofit organization that assists the homeless but had suffered funding cuts. Leaflets indicated that protesters had targeted the building for “reuse.” They branded it a new “community center” in Twitter feeds. Video from a local ABC affiliate’s helicopter showed jubilant crowds flowing in and out of the building, where a banner marked “Occupy Everything” hung. Others built a barricade nearby, presumably to discourage police.

Shortly before midnight, local media reported that police officers from various agencies were suiting up in riot gear. Some demonstrators set the barricade aflame. Firefighters doused it. A police statement later said protesters had hurled rocks, explosives, bottles and flaming objects at officers.

Does any of this solve anything?

Of course not.

But when people are angry and frustrated it can be difficult to talk sense to them.

America has become a powder keg, and it is going to be very difficult for anyone to control what is going on.

However, it also must be noted that not all of the violence was initiated by Occupy Oakland protesters.  There were dozens of Black Bloc “anarchists” that were running around committing random acts of violence.  Some Occupy Oakland protesters were actually seen trying to prevent these “anarchists” from committing acts of violence.

In fact, it is certainly possible that someone may be using these Black Bloc “anarchists” to discredit the protests.  It has happened to other protest movements in the past.

In any event, it is very true that the “anarchists” were very much involved with much of the violence.  You can see some video of “anarchists” in action right here.

But Oakland was not the only city where protesters were becoming more aggressive.

In Seattle, protesters surrounded a Sheraton hotel where JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon was giving a speech. According to some media reports, some of the protesters were actually planning to make a “citizen’s arrest”.

Their plans were cancelled, however, when police dispersed them with a shower of pepper spray.

The funny thing is that Dimon was actually promoting some of the ideas of the Occupy Wall Street movement during his speech.

The following excerpt from his speech comes from the Seattle Times….

“America has become more inequitable in the last 10 or 20 years. That’s a fact,” he said. “I don’t personally think that’s a good thing. I’ve been a big supporter of progressive taxes.”

But that is the funny thing about economic riots.  Just because you agree with the crowd, that does not mean that the crowd is not going to turn on you anyway.

Earlier that same day in Seattle, there was quite a bit of violence as police confronted groups of protesters.  The following is how the Seattle Times described the action….

Earlier in the day, Seattle police arrested six people, five of whom had sprawled across the floor inside a Chase Bank on Capitol Hill.

Officers launched pepper spray, shoved protesters out of the way and yanked others from under a police van during a tense 30-minute confrontation. Police said at least 10 officers were physically assaulted during the arrests, and at least two of them had minor injuries.

In New York City, a different kind of confrontation took place.  Approximately  100 military vets showed up in uniform and marched over to the New York Stock Exchange.  Once they arrived, they stopped directly in front of the building which was protected by a line of heavily armed NYPD officers.  It was a tense moment, but fortunately there was no violence.

This kind of “stare down” cannot be a sign of good things.  What would have happened if even a single person had lost their cool?

While standing in formation in front of the New York Stock Exchange, the vets were heard chanting the following slogans….

“We are veterans! We are the 99 percent!”

“Corporate profits on the rise, soldiers have to bleed and die!”

Things are certainly getting very, very interesting.

The Occupy Wall Street protests started off very peacefully, but sadly there is no guarantee that the violence we are seeing now is not going to escalate even further.

One recent survey found that 31 percent of those involved with the Occupy Wall Street protests “would support violence to advance their agenda”.

That is a frightening statistic.

Hopefully everyone will calm down and the protesters will realize that they will get much farther ahead by non-violent means.

But once again, anger and frustration are difficult to predict or control.  The more angry and frustrated that the American people get, the more chaotic the streets of our cities are going to become.

Sadly, while the vast majority of Americans agree that we have major problems, there is tremendous disagreement about what the solutions are.  There are some good ideas floating around out there, but there are also some groups that are promoting some very, very bad ideas.

For example, there are some elements involved in the Occupy Wall Street protests that are actually promoting communism as the answer.

During the recent craziness in Oakland, some protesters actually hung a very large black banner downtown that said the following: “DEATH TO CAPITALISM“.

But is that really the answer?

Of course not.

Yes, our system is deeply, deeply corrupt and deeply, deeply broken.

Yes, it is understandable that people are very frustrated with it.

But communism is not the answer.

Look, when Republicans defend the abuses of the big banks and the big corporations they are wrong to do so.

When Democrats defend big government and advocate even more big government as the answer, they are also very wrong.

The truth is that neither side is right.

We need to dramatically reduce the size of government and we need to dramatically reduce the size and the power of the big corporations.  That would mean a lot more liberty and freedom for the rest of us, and it would empower individuals and small businesses.

But most people don’t understand this.  Most people think that they have to either take the side of the big corporations or the side of big government.

Sadly, the cold, hard truth is that most of the time big government and the big corporations are working together, and it is not for our benefit.

Most people feel a sense of powerlessness these days.  Most people feel like things never seem to change no matter who they vote for.

People want things to change, but they don’t feel as though they have a way of bringing that change about.

This is not just happening in the United States.  As the global economy has faltered, anger and frustration have been growing all over the planet.

In fact, the International Labor Organization is warning that civil unrest could erupt all over the globe if the current economic crisis gets even worse.

We are moving into unprecedented times.

Nobody is quite sure what is going to happen next.

But the warning signs are there.

Pressure just keeps building and building and building.

According to a recent Fox News poll, 76 percent of all Americans are “dissatisfied with how things are going in the country”.  At the beginning of this year, that number was only at 61 percent.

When people get desperate, they do desperate things.

We can certainly hope that things will settle down, at least for a little while, but at some point another major financial crisis is going to erupt and the economy is going to get even worse.

So what will this country look like when that happens?

This is not the America that your grandparents grew up in.

Prepare accordingly.

  • Gary2

    How about the Walton family whose Walmart stores tell their employees how to apply for welfare benefits because they are too cheap to pay living wages and benefits.

    Gotta love capitalism—time for a change.

    • mark

      Gary, have you seen the amount of wealth the left’s George Soros gained last year, He went from around 14 billion to around 22 billion. When is he going to give his wealth to you? During the same period the Walton’s wealth went up around 1 billion each. It must pay real good to be friends with the Democrats in power. Oh yes, Obamas’ buddy from GE paid no taxes a second year in a row. Are you going to march on George Soros’ place soon? When will old Georgy boy pay his fair share? The answer is never. He is one of the ruling elite that will use you useful idiots and crush you like a bug when they are done with you.

      • gary2

        not a left right issue-yes tax the shot out of Soros.

    • mondobeyondo

      Walmart doesn’t even provide health care for its employees. That’s what I heard.

      Take it for what it’s worth. I don’t work at Walmart (I don’t work anywhere at the moment).

      • mondobeyondo

        That may be false. But I don’t know. If you or someone you know works at Walmart, help me out.

      • Gary2

        It estimates needed savings of a half billion dollars could come by charging employers like Wal Mart, whose workers may use BadgerCare because they aren’t offered private coverage or can’t afford it.

        In order to avoid taking 53-thousand people off BadgerCare, the Department of Health Services says it needs more flexibility in how to run the program. If a federal waiver is granted, state could charge Medicaid participants higher premiums; it would also tighten up eligibility and suspend health coverage for missed premium payments. ABC for Health is a public interest law firm that opposes the changes. It estimates needed savings of a half billion dollars could come by charging employers like Wal Mart, whose workers may use BadgerCare because they aren’t offered private coverage or can’t afford it.

    • Kevin2

      More like how about the evisceration of US manufacturing (complements of both parties) which had a much higher profit margin (prior to Fee Trade) and therefore paid much higher wages then retail sales which hover at a 3% profit.

      Retail will not and can not pay $50,000 a year without a direct increase in prices which negate the increase in pay.

    • Kevin2

      Gary2

      If the Walton family divested themselves of their entire fortune of $83 billion and spread it out among the 2 million Wal Mart employees they would get a one time payment of $41,000. Then what? It’s not self sustaining.

      The lack of manufacturing the traditional wealth creator is the problem and reversing it is the solution. Everything else is moot.

      • gary2

        think what the 41,000 would do to stimulate the economy. I would sure bet the folks getting the 41,000 could use it a lot more than the Waltons who got rich by exploiting people.

    • Barn Cat

      It’s not Wal-Mart’s job to support you, your wife, and your kids. Wal-Mart has the legal and moral right to hire people at whatever the minimum wage is. If you don’t like it, get a job somewhere else.

      • gary2

        I have a problem with all the corporate welfare the employees of walmart get such as state health ins-medicaid and the food stamps which is allowing walmart to not pay the real wage and externalizing the true cost of their “low prices”

        There is a high cost to low prices in this case.

    • http://jmissal@gmail.com JMissal

      Maybe if those welfare benefits weren’t made available thanks to personal and corporate taxes…..just sayin’. Taxpayers, like Walmart and myself, end up paying for that entitlement spending.

      Besides that, have you SEEN the people who work at Walmart? If it wasn’t for Walmart, they would be unemployable except at conveniance stores…..and there aren’t enough conveniance stores to employ that many people.

      • Jason

        There is adirect correlation between the “have you seen them people” and food poisioning. Water poisioning, there people to and deserve a decent life. If anything the government owes us for all the secret shit they do. Like lable food that is poisionious and brain damaging as conventional or non GMO no kid will understand im 32 and in a state of disbelief of the tricks government is doing to make us fight with eachother instead of take them out. Ive been on to them for a few years and luckily never liked soda or candy. Im more baked goods.

        HFCS known to cause anger in kids. Florecent lights known to make labrats eat there own young. Floride, the list goes on so “them people” have been poisioned.. And deserve more than you for looking down on them, how many sodas do u drink a day?

    • Americans For Stopping Treason

      Thats not capitalism you moron.

    • knightowl77

      They pay lower wages, so that their customers can buy lower priced goods….Shop at Albertsons if you want to pay more for your groceries…I don’t

    • Orange Jean

      Gary2,
      One piece of information you’re leaving out of the equation here… love them or hate them for whatever your personal reasons are (I don’t like the fact most things are from Chine)… yet at the same WalMart has helped a lot of poor people by selling a lot of things dirt cheap.

      MOST of the people I’ve seen shopping there appear to be from the lower to working classes. In many rural places in the past people could not find stores that sold things at a discount price.

      I was dirt poor back in the 70s a single mom living in mid-coast Maine, living on $95 a month welfare (and paying $75 month to share an apartment with another woman, leaving me $20 month TOTAL to live on) after my job disappeared and I could not find another for the better part of a year. When my jeans needed replacing (I only had two outfits of clothing) it was very hard to find some I could afford. At the time, normally one would have to go into Boston to shop and find something at a “reasonable” price (but with no car and a round trip bus fare about $25 that would have defeated the purpose). No Salvation Army, Goodwill or similar in the area I lived in either. No such thing then as WalMarts and the old Sears was not available anywhere near where I lived. Eventually I found an odd pair of flannel lined denim carpenter pants from Quebec that were sold in the local small grocery store, I got them. Fortunately for me, warm and comfortable.

      Years later when WalMart opened up a store about 25 miles south of where I had lived (without a car mind you), I could see the value in that. Still do. Like it or not, the guy who owns WalMart found a much needed “market niche” and exploited it. And since a good many people who have limited incomes have had a chance to buy more things they can afford because of that, he’s profited.

      If you work for them, and don’t get more than minimum wage maybe you should consider that your personal experience with income “redistribution” – you get paid lousy, but other poor people have available to them cheaper stuff to buy. How’s that plan working out for you now that you think of it that way?

    • GreenMountain

      “How about the Walton family…”

      Gary2: Goodnight GreenMountain
      GreenMountain: Goodnight Gary2
      Gary2: Goodnight grandpa
      Grandpa: Goodnight Gary2
      GreenMountain: Goodnight grandma
      Grandma: Goodnight GreenMountain

    • gary2

      Allow me to explain the Walmart post:

      the following are facts that I think most agree with:

      1. Walmart pays their store employees poverty wages and punt benefits.

      2. Walmart is a huge employer and very profitable.

      The top at Walmart are quite rich-Walton ET AL.

      3. Walmart receives tax subsidies both direct for infrastructure/property tax reductions, and indirect subsidies such as their employees being on food stamps and medicaid for the poor energy assistance etc.

      Now my conclusions that folks may disagree with:

      1. Walmart getting such corporate welfare is wrong. Even more so when the country is “broke”

      2. Walmart then is externalizing some of their costs.

      3. Walmart is then able to offer fairly low prices (this is only mostly true)

      4. Therefore there is a high cost to their low prices.

      5. They can afford to pay their employees much higher wages but choose not to so they need to be forced to do this by unionization/gov taxes etc.

  • kyky

    I personally don’t see these protests as any good because I believe things are continue to get worse and as they do, these riots will begin to become violent.

    • Michael

      Or begin to become even more violent.

      Michael

      • Dr. Chicago

        Michael..you are absolutely correct. At this point, it has been “politically correct” violence…items on hand…rocks, pipes and some anarchist tools such as firebombs and fireworks. When we see the military vets walking with rifles slung over their shoulder…when the Occupy Wall Street has a storage locker filled with AR knockoffs…then your prediction of unprecedented in the US will come true.

      • Somon Tombe

        PEACEFUL REVOLUTION = CONTROLLED OPPOSITION

        Besides that, Americans are a bunch of stupid animals easy to manipulate and subdue.

  • Gary2

    Time for some wealth redistribution. I have been saying for ever that the rich can do this the easy way or the hard way. Its gonna happen either way!

    Ranks of the “Poorest Poor” Reach New High, and Poverty Spreads to the Suburbs

    Today the AP reports on new census data showing that a record number of Americans — 1 in 15 — are now counted among the ranks of the “poorest poor,” or those who live on less than $5,570 annually for an individual or $11,157 for a family of four.

    Let those numbers sink in for a moment. $5,570 to live on. For a year. In America. And 1-in-15 Americans is doing just that.

    And you wonder why the majority want to tax the *********** out of the rich.

    • Ben Dover

      Socialism appeals to slackers.

    • mondobeyondo

      5,570 dollars is very hard to make it on. In an entire year? With children??

      I so wish Grandma was still around. Should have listened more often to her Depression era stories.

    • http://infowars.com Forte

      Gary if i earned my money and i was rich, i would not give you shit! I earned that money and you have no right to it. The same can’t be said about the banksters that are robbing us, take their money and spread it.

    • Soul

      “Socialism only works until you run out of other people’s money” Margaret Thatcher. Forget wealth redistribution. Go with ripping the governemnt away from businesses, make lobbying illegal as bribing is, and start moving in breaking to big to fail and to big to compete with co pairs into smaller more competitive companies. Lastly, start working against the communist industrial war going on right now and the unfair trade war they are waging on the us.
      Then you are not a Marxist or communist or socialist All of which lead to death and destruction just look to history.

      Instead you are a freedom loving capitalist still believing in the individual and freedom.

      References:
      The Black Book of Communism
      History

    • Kevin2

      Gary2

      We agree on higher taxes for the wealthy. They were higher in the 1960s and the economy rocked. Regarding how fair it is I look at it like this. A great part of government spending is defense. If you own three homes and four cars you have more stuff that one way or another must be defended. It’s very fair. What is unfair is someone making $60,000 paying a higher rate then someone making a million. The nonsense of “they invest in their business” is truly nonsense. We all know money invested back in a business is a write off and would remain as such. We’re talking taxable income here. The statement of “The rich create jobs in the US” is nonsense too. They created jobs when the US made the things they bought. Back to that old manufacturing again. The middle class buys things too and at one time they made what they bought. There is a self sustaining system that worked.

      • Mal R.

        Are you Gary2’s idiot Siamese twin?

        • Kevin2

          Mal R.

          Nope.

          I’m anti Free Trade, pro Bill (the entire) of Rights and Pro Labor. Read my posts regarding Wal Mart. I know when you can’t get “blood from a stone” so unionizing retail is a dead end street. I also understand blaming organized US labor for the flight of industry is nonsense when the US Textile Industry traditionally non union and regardless if they were union was low paying and they fled the US southern states to Asia because $10 / hr was far too much to pay when 50 cent /hr labor could be had. I’m happy US Steelworkers made $50 / hr because their jobs were going to the third world regardless.

          I vividly remember when industrial labor unions were powerful and manufacturing was everywhere. It’s called “The Good Old Days”.

          This “idiot” worked rotating shift work in conditions that would frighten the average person and amassed a million in savings along the way. Traditionally I voted Republican because of the Second Amendment. Regarding the bread and butter issues like banking regulation or international trade there is zero difference in the two party’s.

          I agree and disagree with Gary2 depending on the issue. It’s called thinking. Try it sometime rather then moving lock step to either end of the political spectrum.

    • Zedgehero

      Gary2,
      Ask the Chinese if they would like to have some occupy style protest, you know why the Occupy movement hasn’t caught on in China, it’s because the Chinese are not allowed to protest in the first place. You wanna talk about a true 1% versus 99%-look at the communist ruling party in China- they have the second most billionaires in the world for a reason. Here is a video on Why the Occupy movement needs to be wary of the the communist ideaology. Now that capitalism is falling to the side like communism already did, I think Gerald Celente has the answer in Virtual Democracy, where the people decide. If we can Bank on-line, we can vote on-line, on all issues, for all the people.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDNo68zxg_U

      Also this week there was a storming of the parlament in the Ukraine that I covered since the presstitutes were all in France covering the Banking Cartel Circus.

      http://www.youtube.com/user/zedgehero

      • Kevin2

        China has had protests and still does. Foreign reporters never see them. Regardless of their starting point China’s civilian population has been seeing their incomes rise. China well understands the potential for political unrest if they decline too far for too long. They also understand world reaction if too much force is applied to contain it.

        It’s a given that China would not stand for civil unrest to the degree a western nation would and using them as the bar to measure your freedom is foolish. Compare yourself with Northern Europe for quality of life and personal freedom.

    • Dr. Chicago

      Gary – do you own anything? If so, time to give it up man! The problem with share the wealth is that the people in power never do. They will take it away from the guys in the middle. You are intelligent and have regular access to a computer, you are a “have”. The only way to take from those in control is to have a true revolution. I’m not that far along for a revolution.

      To say that the problem is capitalism is to be a part of the problem. The problem is corruption between the crony politicians and the bankrolling corporations. Capitalism in itself is an ideal and promoting it’s demise is the same as promoting communism (which has failed spectacularly) or socialism (which has also failed spectacularly)… Your a smart guy, think a little bit about what you say or come out and admit you have an agenda.

    • http://jmissal@gmail.com JMissal

      Bring your “wealth redistribution” to my doorstep and see what happens. I pay enough for the entitlement state. One day soon, people like you won’t be able to use the power of government to steal from me to line your own pockets with my hard earned wealth.

      Go to another country and see how the poor REALLY live.

    • Think!

      I see where your coming from with that article but to lump all those “rich bastards” into one evil group doesnt make sense as not all rich people can afford Army of lawyers, lobbyist, and tax attorneys. I believe there are different levels of rich. I do however believe the UBER RICH such as one tenth of 1% that has gained so much wealth in the last few decades needs to get taxed to the teeth but free market Capitalism, freedom, and liberty is the answer. I hope America wakes up and understands this simple concept or else we might as well call America the USSA.

    • Mal R.

      How is the income of “the poor” the responsibility of “the rich”?

      How do the U.S. “poorest of the poor” rank among the real poor in the world?

      How does the income of “the poor” make “the rich” legally responsible to give them their money?

      Who are “the rich” and how much do “the rich” make a year?

      How much as an overall percentage of US income taxes do “the rich” already pay in taxes?

      How much as a percentage of their income should “the rich” pay?

      How do your communist utopian dreams conflict with the 14th ammendment to the US Constitution?

      Do you believe in the US Constitution?

      If we taxed “the rich”, how many people would that lift out “being poor”?

      If we took all of the money from “the rich”, how much of our DEFICIT – let alone the debt, would we cure?

      Where has communism solved the issue of “the poor” without mass murdering them and “the rich”?

      How do you plan on forcibly taking money from “the rich” without eating a cop’s (Or a rich person’s) bullet – justifyably so?

      To all you readers out there, ask yourself if you believe resident communist Gary2 has a grasp on any of these questions? Do you have a grasp on these questions?

      • gary2

        How is the income of “the poor” the responsibility of “the rich”? Most are rich by exploiting the poor.

        How do the U.S. “poorest of the poor” rank among the real poor in the world? You need to Google absolute vs. relative poverty

        How does the income of “the poor” make “the rich” legally responsible to give them their money? See question 1

        Who are “the rich” and how much do “the rich” make a year? per the IRS data to be in the top % one would need to make about $300,000 so that is a good defining number for rich.

        How much as an overall percentage of US income taxes do “the rich” already pay in taxes? About 17%–again Google for yourself

        How much as a percentage of their income should “the rich” pay? 50-60% seems fair. Capital gains should also be taxed as ordinary income as that is what is really is. (hedge fund only paying 15% etc is immoral)

        How do your communist utopian dreams conflict with the 14th ammendment to the US Constitution? I in no way want Communism. This is a tactic of the right to call anything to the left of capitalism communism.. It is at best intellectually lazy.

        Do you believe in the US Constitution? Yes

        If we taxed “the rich”, how many people would that lift out “being poor”? There would be less poor. If you tax from the rich and give to the poor they have more money. This is basic math.

        If we took all of the money from “the rich”, how much of our DEFICIT – let alone the debt, would we cure? There is trillions of dollars in wealth and we could pretty much eliminate the deficit by taxing the rich. again you can Google this.

        Where has communism solved the issue of “the poor” without mass murdering them and “the rich”? I do not know as I do not advocate Communism. Also see the answer to the 14th amendment question above.

        How do you plan on forcibly taking money from “the rich” without eating a cop’s (Or a rich person’s) bullet – justifyably so? The power of the government included the ability to tax see the constitution on this. The rich pay or they get prosecuted. They can also move to Somalia where they will be free of any government meddling in their affairs.

        Thank you for the questions.

    • Syrin

      Explain how taxing the rich make the poor wealthier. In fact show me a single study that verifies it. I can show you dozens of studies showing the opposite is true. These studies cover many nations, many different centuries. But hey, your greed to take something from someone else by force merely because you desire it can’t be stopped. I’m sure many will be willing to share lead when you come to take it.

      The irnoy that a regressive like you can’t see how much more dramaticlly things have gone to the worse since you regressives pushed through your Marxist policies. When people think of wealth, the first places that come to mind are the socialist utopias you want to model us after. You know, those wealthy places like Zimbawe which did exactly what you desire, North Korea, cold war USSR, Stalin USSR, Veneuela. The great thing is that socialism has killed more people in peace time than all modern wars combined. Yep, you love totalitarianism, destitution and misery. To call you intellectually immature and greedy would be massive under statements.

      See, the adults want to create an environment where EVERYONE can become rich through their OWN efforts. Oh, you would HATE it if everyone became rich. Afetr all, who would sit at home and collect welfare checks?

      • The Unicorn

        Look up Cuba

        Cuba has a 99.8% literacy rate.
        ,[3][13] an infant death rate lower than some developed countries,[14] and an average life expectancy of 77.64.[3] In 2006, Cuba was the only nation in the world which met the WWF’s definition of sustainable development; having an ecological footprint of less than 1.8 hectares per capita and a Human Development Index of over 0.8 for 2007.[15

        Thats from Wiki

        Than compare that to Guantanamo Bay detention camp on the other side of the Island???? That maybe home for OWS soon.

        I don’t agree with everything that happened in Cuba and hope and pray that the USA can have change without violence.

      • gary2

        Explain how taxing the rich make the poor wealthier.

        I believe this is simple math. Let me illustrate this for you.

        If the government taxes the rich more and improves social safety programs for the poor, such as having single payer health care they are richer.

        An even simpler explanation. If I take 100 dollars from a rich person and give it to a poor person that poor person has more money and relatively richer.

  • Gary2

    The rich/elite need to be scared, very scared.

    • Kevin2

      Gary2

      They are two different groups.

      A million dollar income would classify as rich. They don’t rule.

      The rich are possibly frightened. The ruling elite are not. The ruling elite would throw “The Rich” to the wolves and not loose a wink of sleep. Actually there is a very strong possibility that the ruling elite are behind these protests. Have you heard a great cry at OWS about “Free Trade”? Didn’t think so. That speaks volumes.

      • gary2

        yes-when I was at the Occupy Milwaukee there were many union labor types advocating against free trade.

  • McKinley Morganfield

    “But most people don’t understand this. Most people think that they have to either take the side of the big corporations or the side of big government.

    Sadly, the cold, hard truth is that most of the time big government and the big corporations are working together, and it is not for our benefit.”

    When you’re right, you’re right. Big business (banks & corporations) thrive from bigger & bigger government and the denizens of DC are cheap whores ever willing to spread their legs for campaign contributions from big business. And, yes, this is just the beginning. A hard rain is going to fall upon the mighty and the low alike. Days of chaos and suffering await us all. Prepare daily to weather the storm as best as you are able.

  • D

    Gary, the invisible elite (private, international bankers) control the world’s wealth, and in essence, politicians. Yes, they hoard their money and are planning for the New World Order. This is nothing new and has been in the plans for almost a century. Soon, WWIII will be around the corner when everything collapses. When that’s done, the NWO will take effect (assuming the world isn’t destroyed from nuclear weapons).

    If you prepared well by stocking food and buying ammunition, maybe you’ll last another few years before the fallout and/or NWO gets you.

    It’s too late to get riled up about everything now. Most will witness the hellfire sooner or later. The USA is literally in it’s final days.

  • Nickelthrower

    Greetings,

    Two entities wishing to communicate must do so in a common language. Someone that can only communicate in Morse Code will not be able to communicate with someone that can only read lips.

    We the People have some legitimate grievances. Things are quickly spiraling out of control and we’re being left out of the conversation. They knew we opposed the bailout by more than 90% but they did them anyway. They know we are opposed to the Patriot Act and the TSA but I do not see any of that going away.

    I’m guessing that the problem is that we are not speaking the same language of government. Now, as an Anarchist I define government as: a monopoly on the use of force. At the very heart of it all, government is an entity that reserves for itself imprisonment, torture, confiscation, enslavement (the draft) and execution.

    Clearly, some Anarchists have come to the conclusion that they, too, must speak the language of violence so that the government will understand them. I choose not to judge that line of thinking – they may be correct for all I know.

    As for myself, I do not believe in participating in any of it. Each and every day I work to remove myself from the grid and this foul system. After all, what would the 1% do if we all just walked away?

  • TheLastCimmerian

    And unlike the 1930’s, there is no longer the surplus of finite resources to fuel the ever expanding debt. Not enough oil, gas, or even water to service the mind blowing debt. We do, after all, live on a finite planet.

    Unless we learn to live like the human race once did, (sustainable) this reptillian minded idea of infinite growth on a finite planet will kill us all. Hey, . . how long did humans exist before the banking cartel enslaved the people with perpetual debt? (A long time)

    We dont need them. We never needed them. They are dinosaurs. We are humans. It’s time we send them & thier enslaving paradigm into the realm of extinction.

    • http://economic a.p.

      Excellent post by the LastCimmerian People are still trying to hold on to the notion that we can grow our way out of this mess. We can’t.
      We went from 6 billion people to 7 billion in less than 13 years and soon we’ll reach 10 billion. The more people we have, the smaller a slice of the pie is for everyone. We are just
      consuming ourselves to death and the cost of everything will skyrocket, until every single dollar goes towards mere survival.

      For all you people preparing for the collapse,
      just what is life going to be like for everyone
      after the collapse? Does anyone really know?
      To prepare properly for some future event, one
      must know exactly what life will be like after
      that event occurs. As for me, I’d rather just
      bleed out in the bathtub, like Frank Pantelligini did in the Godfather 2 movie.
      What’s the use in living when 10 billion people
      are fighting each other for smaller and smaller
      pieces of the pie?

  • Greg

    Gary2. Just a little more distribution and all will be well huh? Get real.

    • gary2

      you are correct-just a little more is not enough. just like the first stimulus was not big enough.

      We need a lot of redistribution.

  • ot

    Although this was, most likely, written before and/or during the Babylonian Exile of Judah, it could almost fit what appears to be happening today…

    Habakkuk 2 (NLT)

    5. Wealth is treacherous,
    and the arrogant are never at rest.
    They open their mouths as wide as the grave,
    and like death, they are never satisfied.
    In their greed they have gathered up many nations
    and swallowed many peoples.

    6 “But soon their captives will taunt them.
    They will mock them, saying,
    ‘What sorrow awaits you thieves!
    Now you will get what you deserve!
    You’ve become rich by extortion,
    but how much longer can this go on?’
    7 Suddenly, your debtors will take action.
    They will turn on you and take all you have,
    while you stand trembling and helpless.
    8 Because you have plundered many nations;
    now all the survivors will plunder you.
    You committed murder throughout the countryside
    and filled the towns with violence.

    9 “What sorrow awaits you who build big houses
    with money gained dishonestly!
    You believe your wealth will buy security,
    putting your family’s nest beyond the reach of danger.
    10 But by the murders you committed,
    you have shamed your name and forfeited your lives.
    11 The very stones in the walls cry out against you,
    and the beams in the ceilings echo the complaint.

    12 “What sorrow awaits you who build cities
    with money gained through murder and corruption!

  • mike

    Gary2, there are none more greedy than those who want the government to steal for them. The rich are not the problem, (when did that become a bad thing in America anyway?) the problem is government intervention into SUPPOSEDLY FREE MARKETS. I agree there is too much buddy, buddying between Wall St. and Washington, but if government would get out of the way of a free, American citizenry, we would do what we always do and this problem would be reversed in two to three decades.

  • Erin

    Sorry, but I have no sympathy for the plight of a mindless mob of idiots that does nothing but follow the lead of pinko agitators.

    California politics is dysfunctional. The people of California would get little benefit from ripping off Marin county (where a few rich people live). They would be better off marching to Tracy and turning on the pumps of the california aqueduct and get the central valley agribusiness running. How come the entire area from Stockton to Bakersfield has the highest unemployment in the country? Is everyone blind and miss all the signs saying “no water = no food” on I-5? The dang pumps at Tracy have been turned off for years now. I drove up and down the I-5 a few times, and I knew it was time to leave california.

    The mindless deserve the mindless government they elected. And the useless major of Oakland is now the Governor, again. “Moonbeam” Brown – a young useless shit of a governor 20+ years ago, a useless shit as major of Oakland for 20 years, an old useless shit running California now.

    Google: california+aqueduct+smelt and weep.

  • mondobeyondo

    Get ready. Fast. It’s coming….

    • mondobeyondo

      And if you don’t know what’s coming by now?
      Keep watching “American Idol”.
      You’ll figure it out after a while.

  • dmitry

    Michael,

    thank you for this post. looks like, there’s no hope on both sides :=(

    dmitry

  • Orange Jean

    Michael,
    So, why are you not mentioning ACORN’s (or that would be the supposedly prohibited ACORN under yet another name) involvement in this?
    -Jean

    • Michael

      Orange Jean:

      There are a whole lot of “alphabet” organizations involved in these protests. Another is the SEIU.

      I think that my articles have been more than hard on Occupy Wall Street. For example, see this one….

      http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/solid-evidence-that-occupy-wall-street-is-a-communist-movement-run-by-socialists-who-wish-to-bring-down-the-free-enterprise-system

      Michael

      • Orange Jean

        Good point Michael… sometimes it’s hard to remember all the stuff you write up on here. I can’t imagine how you find the time and energy, and I would like to thank you for that.

        Once upon a time I was a member of SEIU; not in the least bit impressed with their performance (took my money every month and did nothing that benefited me with it!). During that time I had the lowest increase in salary of any job since I finally made it to college. I had an abusive boss and I tried to get them to help me, they did nothing whatsoever. I have been rather cynical about unions ever since!

  • Caitlin

    Okay, the Walton empire is not a good example of Capitalism in action and has not been for many years now; it is a good example of Capitalism corrupted by greed.

    Henry Ford was a Capitalist; he believed in making money, but also in paying his employees well enough that they could afford to buy the cars they were making. He knew that happy employees are productive employees, and that it is hard to be happy if you can’t afford to make at least a modest living.

    The Walton empire has become all about taking in as much wealth as possible and paying out as little as possible, which is a corruption of the Capitalist aim. Those low prices aren’t just generosity, they are the result of buying cheap products (often from China), using strongarm tactics to get suppliers to charge nearly suicidal rates for their products, and paying very low wages to staff who are frequently overworked. (Yes, I have known a number of former WM employees from multiple stores.)

    All economic systems ultimately have greed as an unavoidable Achilles’ Heel, whether it be Capitalism, Communism, or any other system. Blaming the greed on Capitalism is to blame the hole in the bucket on the leak.

    Punish the truly Greedy, not the true Capitalists.

    • gary2

      you have some good points, however, consider this:

      Punish the truly Greedy, not the true Capitalists.

      They are one in the same by definition.

      • Jason

        Thanks gary for never backing down with these people who have no compassion. I never had the patience to write here much but have founf this site one the most informative..

        I dont know who u are but u give my aquarian sprit hope…

        U never give up stating facts that would make us all much better in the long run.

    • Nickelthrower

      Greetings,

      Yes, Henry Ford was somewhat generous to his workers if they were not Jewish. Ford hated the jews and refused to hire them. He also was a huge supporter and admirer of NAZI Germany where he built a number of factories in the 1930’s. Henry Ford also received Germany’s highest civilian honor (kinda like the medal of freedom). Ford, and men like him, bankrolled the NAZI’s because Ford was a fascist just like most industrialists.

  • r.bitting

    The occupiers think they are ” sticking it to the man ” , but in the end they will find that they cut their own throats. Lay blame where blame is due, blame yourselves, because we all played our part in this.

  • Paul

    Wouldn’t you rather live in China?
    The police is the same, but at least in China the economy is booming.

    • mondobeyondo

      I’m starting to think about it. At least there are opportunities there. I don’t know Mandarin Chinese though, so that’s a challenge.

      And the cops there use batons and nightsticks too! Just like our cops do! Woo-hoooo!

      “Beat me outta me.. Oh yeah! Oh yeah!” – “Aneurysm,” Nirvana

  • r.bitting

    Jesus said, ” I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father except through me ” John 14:6.. God loves you people and desires for you to be saved. Christ died for mankind to satisfy the judgment due us because we have sinned against a holy God. ” For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God “. Christ took your punishment for you to make a way for you to be saved. ” He who knew no sin, became sin for us, so that we might become the righteousness of God in him ” 2 Corinthians 5:21. It’s a free gift, but it must be accepted by the would be recipient, it won’t be forced upon you, you will ultimately stand or fall on your own. As C. S Lewis says, There are two kinds of people in the world.. Those who say to God ” your will be done ” ( those who accept God’s way of salvation ) & those to whom God will say ” your will be done ” ( those who choose to face God on their own merit ). C.S Lewis also said, and I agree, ” Hell is a door locked from the inside. Please Get right with God today, while you still have an opportunity to. The protests will only lead to the destruction of the country, and are not the solution…. Christ alone is.

  • Granite Prepper

    It is called fascism….government control of private corporations; really a kissing cousin of communism. However, ask Italy and Germany in the 20s-40s how that worked. I’d love to hear what Gary2 will do when all the “rich” have had the sh#t taxed out of them and the country is still circling the drain?? None of this ends well…..look at the Roman and British empires to see possibilities. I think our demise, however, will be more spectacular and more violent than any of those in the past as we climbed the heights and have much farther to fall.

    • gary2

      we will not be “circling the drain” if we tax the ************* out of the rich so your question is moot.

      • Jason

        The only thing ive never seen here is astrology its a shot in the dark but makes so much sense so i know it inecetable for our evolution to be taught whats greed..

        pluto rules extremes was in sagitarius a few years ago. Sagitarius rules religion put together with pluto times religious extremisim perfectly.

        Now pluto is in capricorn, capricorn rules governments and authroity
        Do the cosmic math most will say doesnt exist.

        Pluto will correct the imbalances which we are seeing it takes 30 years to move through each sign,

        Aquarius is next. Internet reform community involvemet all fall under that sign,

        Thing are going according to a higher plan….

    • Nickelthrower

      No, government control of private corporations is communism. Corporate control of government is fascism – what we have in this country.

  • http://schmidtreport.blogspot.com pb7777

    The answer lies in the following link. It is a clip from GBTV of a small New Jersey town, Vernon, NJ, whose residents took a stand against their corrupt local government and changed it. This should be inspiring to each one of us who wants to restore true American values. As the writer of this article writes, to reduce the big government noose around our necks and rein in big corporations. I’ve been telling folks for a long while now that to support either the Dems or GOP was also supporting crony capitalism. The first thing we as Americans need to do is to rid ourselves of the Corporate campaign contributions and lobbies. It is then and only then when we we get a candidate that is truly for the people and not in the pocket of corrupt elite bankers and corporatists. Watch this inspiring clip here…http://www.theblaze.com/stories/beck-discovers-story-of-one-towns-declaration-of-independence/

  • June

    As I have been a reader of your articles for quite some time, I usually agree with you. However, this time I think some questions should be raised as to WHO is funding these various protests globally. Next question should be as to WHY all these protests. At a quick glance it would appear that people are fustrated but when you look closer at it there appears to be more of an agenda. The Cloward and Piven agenda that is. Then to look closer at these various protests and to see that there have been reported rapes and as you have written about, violence, destruction of property, etc. If the end game is about socialism and the Cloward and Piven theory..then they would need the people to uprise. Remember, the socialists never waste a crisis. So to me this is nothing more than trying to get their socialist agenda aka new world order in our country. :-(

  • Palindia
    • Mal R.

      You forgot the *Warning – idiotic communist blather at link*

  • Jo

    WE need some rule changes.

    1. Banks only charge a fee not interest for loans, due to the fact through fractional reserve banking, banks loan money they don’t have to begin with. So 100,000 loan will only cost you 10% down. You only have to pay back 100,000. No more 30yrs of debt slave interest.

    2. When you pay off your house, you owe no more PROPERTY taxes. People don’t own their land or home, the bank does then the government. That needs to change.

    3.No bailouts for Big Banks.

    4. A 1% tax on ALL Derivatives on Wall. St.

    5. NO more Income Tax.

    6. No Debt Based Currency Creation through The Fed.

    7. Lobbyist NO longer allowed in D.C. or Campaign Contributions from corporations.

    8. Direct Democracy on Major issues like War, Taxes, and so on.

    9. No NAFTA

    10. TERM LIMITS for Political Officials.

  • karen

    If I am wrong I owe you an apology, but I posted an article yesterday on this web about no food left in the US food storage for the American people, this was a honest and true report from someone in the know, and I guess you don’t want the honest truth. I thought this was about the truth, it’s all about hiding something that could help others.

    • Michael

      Karen:

      I try to let people post whatever they want, but I just can’t allow people to post entire articles from other websites. So that is why some of your posts have been shortened. It is okay to post excerpts but not entire articles.

      Michael

    • Mal R.

      “no food left in the US food storage for the American people”

      ON top of what Michael said, it’s kinda important to be at least partially accurate, and that is just stupid wrong.

    • josh

      why dont you just post a link. its better than trying to force feed a read.

    • Highspeed

      Karen, Could you provide a link for us?

  • William

    There are two choices facing Americans who want CHANGE (which we did not get with the Obummer).
    The best and correct way to achieve real change is at the voting booth in Nov of 2012. Young people between the ages of 18 and 30 increased their voter registration by 16 million since the 2008 elections. Some think this age group could form 25% of those who vote in the next national elections.
    The only other way to achieve change is through a violent rebellion, which I do not advocate.
    There are your two choices.

  • Otown Right Guy

    Gerald Celente’s adage is starting to materialize: “When people have nothing to lose, they lose it”.

  • Bill

    The problem is not our form of government but we the people who have elected some very bad apples and the FAILED to remove them from the barrel. Perhaps we should spend our time on raising a new crop and just compost our failure. If we must also remove a few trees to save the orchard (our form of government) so be it.

  • Kathy Smith

    IF you get a chance watch the ED SHOW on MSNBC He has no trouble spelling out our dire situation. Things like our Republican controlled Congress is being manipulated by 1 individual. Most of the Republican congress signed an agreement with this person for no new taxes on the rich. 99% of Americans want reform those b******* will never allow it. Talk about bought & paid for politicians GOD help us!

    • Mal R.

      “Republican controlled Congress ”

      You’re an idiot. #1, the Congress is split. Republicans control the House and commun – I mean Democrats control the Senate.

      You seem to forget that it’s the communist policies of your President and 100% controlled Democratic Congress that sent a historical republican victory to congress. So no, 99% of Americans dont want your BS.

  • http://portlavacalots.com CTD

    There is very difficult to solve this current problem of Big Government and Big Corporation because most majority of people do not understand the cause of this mess anyway, so they are all just go with the flow of anger and frustrationer and some of the bad people take advantage of this to do damage the property or some thing riot unneccessary. I believe it is too late to solve any thing unless there is some one very good understanding the situation with the right solution for our economic stand up and explaining and guide everyone our of this mess and hopefully will be OK. Just pray for it and prepare for your family and hopefully not effect your area.

  • bryan

    Why is it that the left protests seem to always end with violence while the right (tea party) not one iota of violence? This isn’t new. This is right out of the playbook of the lunatic left that violence solves problems. It doesn’t. No wonder the majority of Americans are now against the Occupy Wall Street crowd.

    • Michael

      I believe that is a legitimate point.

      Michael

    • Gay Veteran

      you ignore massive right-wing violence during the fight for civil rights

      and there aren’t any left-wing militias

      • Highspeed

        Black Panthers.

      • whteshark

        Really?

        It was Democrats or the Dixiecrats that were causing all the trouble and violence while opposing the Civil Rights Acts.

        Black Panthers
        Weather Underground
        Earth Liberation Front
        Animal Liberation Front
        Red Brigade
        EPA
        Justice Department

        Just to name a few

  • http://silversaver.com/share/YU6HY straydog01

    Prepare for the worst by buying at least SOME silver and gold. I don’t know that it will ever get bad enough that you would have to use silver and gold to buy things, but the point is to be prepared. At the very least you would be diversified outside of the dollar. A great place to open a silver and gold savings account is at https://silversaver.com/share/YU6HY Take care and prepare.

  • Banksters will threaten Vets

    Michael wrote : “While standing in formation in front of the New York Stock Exchange, the vets were heard chanting the following slogans….””We are veterans! We are the 99 percent!”

    Oh Man can you see it now?
    The Vets identified in the pictures will be threatened by the military powers that be, because they participated in uniform, therefor they violated some unheard of agreement;
    section 198 something, Sworn not to protest publicly in military uniform and violation of that law will result in loss of their military veteran benefits.
    The Banksters have us all by the B@#!!!

  • Rowell

    Michael,

    You’ve been writing a very informative blog for a long time now. You’ve been very insiteful in regards as to what’s going on, and how things are progressing (or regressing, as the case may be).

    I’m curious to know though, what do you think the US will look/be like 5 years from now, in 2016? I mean, what do you think the government will be like, the economy will be like, and how people are living.

    • Michael

      Rowell:

      I think we will all be absolutely amazed at how much the United States has changed by 2016.

      The pace of change is accelerating, and it is not going to be pretty.

      Michael

      • mondobeyondo

        The United States, as we know it today, won’t be around in 2016.

        • josh

          agreed

  • HeartofShadows

    Things are getting more fun and I simply cannot wait.

  • Americans For Stopping Treason

    Wow!,..Gary2 is a true *************** idiot!

    1) We don’t have CAPITILISM in this country anymore. The distorted, corrupted, dysfucntional system we have IS communism.

    2) Taxes, “progressive taxes” is NOT wealth redistribution. It is simply taking from those who earned it, and giving to those who did not earn it.

    3) The income tax, progressive or not, was never desgined or intended to fix any social problems or inequities. It was designed and intended to extract the wealth of the nation and indviduals and transfer it to the banksters.
    The have succeeded.

    4) All income taxes go directly to “The Fed”. A private synndicate of criminal bankers that is responsible for every war we have been in since the late 1800’s.

    5) The Fed, and the International Banking System IS the largest Terrorist Organzation in human history.

    6) The “Free Press” or Mass-Media is owned and controlled by US Gov’t entities, corporations and the very individuals it should be reporting on. It is now so controlled, and has been for will over 70 years, that it is now nothing more than, “The Josef Gobbels Ministry Of Propaganda”.

    7) People like Gary2 ARE the problem. Either he is a paid pysch-ops operator (a traitor), or a truly intellectually bankrupt idiot.

    You want to help fix the problem Gary2,.. just crawl back into whatever slime hole you crawled out of and never let the light of day see you again.

    Leaving saving the country to people who are truly interested in restoring the US Constitution, our libertiesm, and our rights.

    Your a Jackass.

    JD – US Marines – Defenders Of the US Constitution

    • gary2

      My friend -your rant is so not based in fact I would urge you to do some simple Google search to see this.

      This is even farther off base than fox news .

      I guess you live in a fact free zone?

  • Charlie

    It has to come sooner or later. It was always coming. There’s no way out. The current monetary system has simply run its course. Given its flaws, it was only a matter of time.

    I don’t like that the author thinks that the only alternative to capitalism is communism. That’s pretty narrow-minded and frankly resembles a mind that’s married to a dying system.

    • Michael

      If you read deeper I think that you will see that I was trying to make the point that there are definitely other alternatives other than our current system and communism.

      Michael

      • Charlie

        I stand corrected. I apologize.

  • C

    Actually, Capitalism is not working all that great anymore, does the everybody for themselves concept work?, that’s capitalism. Federal government is bloated beyond belief, local and state governments are run by cronies and lobbyists as well. The war machine = America = violence. Want to be a true anarchist?, get off twitter, get off facebook, get off your phone, and start going underground. OR, just get a government job.

  • http://you-tubepage-Spread1The1Word Harvey

    I do not believe in peaceful protests when you have such a large and negative situation. I live in NYC and I am a veteran also and I refuse to go down to the protests because I cannot stand there peacefully, and get dragged, mased, and handcuffed by NYPD for peacefully protesting.

    (***Rest of the comment has been censored for violent content***)

  • http://www.hotbedinfo.com KT

    Gary2 – “Wealth Redistribution” is COMMUNISM

    Millions of Americans DIED to fight communism in the last 100 years. Your comment is borderline treason and irresponsible.

    The only people who advocate wealth redistribution are those who have no knowledge of history and the dictatorship, poverty and oppression that “Wealth redistribution” creates.

    • mondobeyondo

      Yes, it is.

      Under communism, the state owns the businesses and land, and just about everything the citizens need to produce wealth or even a decent standard of living. The citizens? They get to share everything, sit by a campfire and sing “Kum Bay Yah” while the state steals their labor, wealth and profits.

      • josh

        Kum bay yah rocks! i cant wait~!

    • bobbobbobbob

      uuu r the classic amerikkan idiot CHINA RULES UUU. CHINA MAKES 90% OF EVERYTHING UUU BUY
      UU RRR LIVING IN A DREAM WORLD!! WHAT IS IS THAT UU MAKE?? JAILS; INFERIOR HEALTH CARE ;UUU RRR A JOKE!!! ONE MORE REBUPLICAN PRESIDEND AND AMERIKKKA WILL SPLIT UP LET ITHAPPEN INFERIORS

      • mb

        It would be nice if you could read and write English well enough to get your point across. You come off as a third worlder jealous of the success of the US. Please get your thoughts together well enough that we may be able to understand what you are trying to communicate.

    • gary2

      you do a real good job parroting fox news!

      • Jason

        why does everyone talk about who works hardest, the missed the lesson in kindergaren reguarding sharing… No one should be allowed even two homes until everyone has one… The basics, then u can all claim to keep the wealth, but how u can have a full stomach with no guilt while a kid that maybe didnt have parent sstarves because of the mental disabilty of not having them is beyond me…

        Eveyone gets up and faces the day the best they know how and deserve the basic… There is enough to go around if everyone stops hoarding…

        • gary2

          good point. Republicans are selfish scum.

  • Mal R.

    “Of course the vast majority of Occupy Wall Street protesters do not want anything to do with violence and they recognize that violence is not the answer.”

    Uh, Mike I really dig your work but I’d like to see that backed up. Read through theblaze.com and you’ll get a more truthful picture of who these people are.

    • Mal R.

      …And then read right above my response the words of your resident OWS idiot Gary2. Read that not so subtle threat and tell me OWS is a non-violent movement.

    • Mal R.

      Occupy arrests hit 4000. Non-violent my eye.

  • Gaileforce

    Gary2: Well, Genius, what would you suggest?? My husband and I are middle income wage-earners, neither of us have college educations. We’ve busted our rearends for everything we’ve obtained/attained and all that we’ve been able to do for our three kids (which wasn’t alot by the standards of the wealthy). We’re nearing retirement age but there’ll be no retirement. Given the choice, I’ll work for my own income, my own home, my own food, my own car, my own healthcare, etc. Don’t redistribute what little I’ve been able to achieve in my lifetime. Don’t inhibit my ability to give to the charities of my choice as much or as little as I see fit. HOW DARE YOU???!! WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE??!! No nation has ever sunk into socialism or communism (redistribution of wealth) without the death of millions (in some case, hundreds of millions). Are you going to make that decision, too?? Who dies, who lives?? What an arrogant, self-righteous, intellectually-challenged sack of wind?!!

  • http://www.themidnightcafe.com JP

    In the end there is only one solution to all of this. We all know what it is. It is a zero sum game. Those at the top want ALL the money and ALL the power and they will do whatever they have to do to get it. In the face of it all what options do we really have?

  • http://theelevationgroup.net/presentation/register.php?a_aid=a6affed9&a_bid=290b868b John Jackson

    People are starting to wake up and realize that the Central Banks are going to implode the financial system with an ultimate burst of the credit bubble. You owe to it yourself to get educated on how to survive the upcoming economic collapse:

    http://theelevationgroup.net/presentation/register.php?a_aid=a6affed9&a_bid=290b868b

  • Gary

    G2ry2, you are either a victim of misinformation or just plain stupid, the demorats have been trying to bring this country to its knees. The obummernator wants to invoke martial law, so he can become dictator. you must be one of the lazy asses like the “occupy” bunch, I don’t want to give any of my hard earned money to any of you. Get a job, if you can, since the bummer has destroyed most of them, and earn your own money.

  • hbeachrealist

    I just don’t see any hope at all. Do ANY protest of any type ever amount to ANYTHING anymore? Do the politicians care? No. Do the sheeple care? No.

    The only way things will work our way is if the American people WAKE UP.

    However, the sheeple are too involved with sports, television shows, and worthless hobbies to care. Men and women are now children psychologically. These sheeple are just concerned about their little world.

    The sheeple will NEVER wake up until it is too late.

    I know TPTB want violence so they can impose martial law.

    It’s all gonna happen.

    I’m just glad I got my gold, guns, and God.

  • GoneWithTheWind

    It is inaccurate and misleading to claim these OWS riots are a reflection of the mood of the people. They are fake astro-turf left wing socialist attempts to prop up Obama and destroy the country to make it ready for a Socialist takeover. This is an attempted coup not righteous anger at a government that has failed them.

    • Orange Jean

      I agree with you!

    • Highspeed

      Me too!

  • Nick Nailer

    “But when people are angry and frustrated it can be difficult to talk sense to them.”

    This is bad humor. Yes, it is hard to talk sense to someone who is sodomizing you. Surely if they understood how bad it hurts they’d stop.

    This is the law, jungle rule. When the gloves come off it gets nasty. Eye for an eye – survival of the fittest. Talk is for serfs. You see how well negotitations and talk went for Qadaffi. What makes you think you’ll be any different?

    Oh Gary. It doesn’t matter what system you advocate. Losers like you will always be losers. The rich are that way because they’re more ruthless and smarter than you.

    You might see me at a protest. I’ll be the one screaming ********************

  • harleyhooch

    When the rich basturds cause millions to lose their jobs so they can cause low wages to be paid while they still get paid millions it is wrong and they need to be taxed heavily so they get a dose of what they caused. THE RICH CAUSE THIS STUFF AND NOT THE POOR.

  • mondobeyondo

    Poverty is relative, of course.

    In the United States, $10,000 will buy you maybe 4 months’ rent for an apartment in New York City. In Somalia, it’s enough to make you a local warlord.

    • Kevin2

      It’s funny. The more we drop the lower element we compare ourselves to. When I was a kid the US was the undisputed best place to live on the planet. Now we say we’re better than Mexico, China and South America. You went to an all time low, Somalia.

    • Antonio Gonzalez

      The people there can say ” Thanks America”

  • anne

    The root of the issue is our corrupt govt has created rules, regulations, laws and unfunded entitlement programs that have created this situation. They have eroded the education system, taken over the money system, taken over the media, instilled a police state, institutionalized war and overwhelmed our society with illegal aliens. Taking money from weathly people will temporarily alleve some pain, but what happens when there are no more wealthy to take from? That is what a 3rd world country is folks. Our govt is taking us there at the speed of light now.

    • oldarmyguy

      Absolutely CORRECT !! ALL politicians need to be replaced with Americans that believe and adhere to the constitution, bill of rights and the Republic of the United States. No more lifetime tenure, 4-6 years MAX, no lifetime pay after leaving, no lifetime free medical, etc. etc. Make lobbying and lobbyists ILLEGAL and punished as bribers, scammers and con-people that they are. Make ONE flat tax for EVERY person, company, etc. NO offshore banking. NO bailouts…take a chance and fail, then suffer like the rest of us. No more entitlement programs for abusers, druggies, unwilling to work and other parasites. I could go on and on, but you all know what needs to be done… Do WE the people have the Balls to do it, like our forefathers did ?? We’ll soon find out.

    • nutbustd

      Simply put WE NEED to go back to the basic’s of our own Constitution. Govt is a not a helper, but a bad master. The larger it gets, the worst of a master it becomes.

  • cjfyuma

    We are in the first stage of superpower collapse – the financial collapse. This stage began after the Lehman Bro. collapse in Sept. 2008.

    We are still positioned in the middle of this first stage. The financial collapse will soon end when the US debt rating is cut again (inevitable), government shutdown follows, US currency is devalued by the US Treasury (force majeur), and the global financial markets all crash in tandem.

    Then, WATCH OUT EVERYONE! We are then all hurled into the ECONOMIC COLLAPSE – Stage 2 of the superpower collapse. That’s when the real shit hits the fan: food riots, looting, arson, widescale economic displacement and unemployment, which leads to death, disease and starvation for those that had depended all this time on a check from the government or their employer to survive, and were caught unprepared!

  • Suetonious

    >>Over the last couple of years, people such as Gerald Celente and myself have been warning that economic riots are coming. Those of us that have written about such things have been called “doom and gloomers” and “conspiracy theorists”.<<

    Unfortunately, neither of you are enough of the conspiracy theorist "bent" to see the deeper patterns by which they will enslave us all. Do you really believe the PTB weren't aware of this anger building? And that they didn't have a plan to use it to cinch down the restraining straps even more?

    They factored in their very own causative actions, as well as the inevitable public reactions – right into their Master Plan. And straight from the gitgo, decades ago.

    Americans, good-hearted and howdy-doody trusting as they are – are just like Charlie Brown constantly believing Lucy – when she entices him to kick the football. We go charging off to war at the drop of a PTB flag, a false or arranged flag, from Havana to Pearl Harbor to Tonkin to 9/11 to fairy tale WMD's – and now to an Iranian pothead used-car salesman who supposedly tried to knock off the Saudi ambassador to the US. When are we going to get a clue?

    Yeah, this anger is totally justified. But, once again, our snickering PTB masters wave some bullshit banners and con artists in front of the idiot masses (I mean, gimme a break – Soros and fatboy Michael Moore?)- and off the lemmings go, charging off a signposted path right over a cliff.

    If sane SMART clued-in people don't grab the idiots leading this movement by the back of the neck – they're going to give the instigating fascists everything they need to lock us all down into an Orwellian nightmare. The NWO martial-law fascists are just salivating behind their barricades, itchy trigger fingers twitching, muttering "Yeah…make my day…"

    Time for the supposedly aware – to wake up to even more disturbing and depressing truths as to how we've been mindfucked since any of us here have been born.

    When enough people wake up, we win. No violence necessary.

    • outcastxxx

      When enough people wake up, we win. No violence necessary.
      very well said!

      What is sad is my wifey dont give a *******************

  • mondobeyondo

    I was going to post a story about the Three Little Pigs, but decided against it. In my revised version, all the pigs turn out to be ham and bacon.

  • http://TheEconomicCollapse David of OK

    Just bought a fireplace crane for holding kettles and pots by their handles over the fire in the fireplace. The week before I bought two ricks of wood. Each week I purchase another item that in and of itself seems crazy, but if the grid goes down will be a necessity to survive.

    • nutbustd

      you will need excellent training in firearms and other survival skills. kinda scary isn’t it?

  • SWIFT

    For the author to say that violence will gain nothing, is a mistake. I was a young man in the Marines in the sixties and early seventies. I watched as protests went on for years: civil rights and anti-war. Only when 42 American cities were on fire, did the civil rights movement get Washington’s attention. They finally realized the threat of revolution was real. So, they capitulated and formed the biggest nanny state in history. That nanny state bought four decades of peace. But now, it is time to pay up for that peace and we cannot afford it. I do not advocate or support violence, I merely point out the truth as I saw it.

  • http://georgesblogforum.wordpress.com George Forfa

    After a decade of trying to tell people what is coming, there is no satisfaction in seeing it, right in front of us.

    http://georgesblogforum.wordpress.com/2011/11/02/the-daily-climb-2/

  • El Pollo de Oro

    The Black Bloc Anarchists have a long history of showing up at peaceful protests and committing acts of violence. They were doing that during the Clinton years, before the USA became The Banana Republic of America. But even if Black Bloc ceased to exist, the BRA would still have a very violent future—and the sort of rioting we saw in Oakland is only the tip of the iceberg compared to what is coming. Gerald Celente is fond of saying that when people lose everything and have nothing left to lose, they lose it; he’s absolutely right, and as the economic misery worsens, so will the violence and unrest. That violence will include political violence (although much worse than what we saw in Oakland) as well as an abundance of violent crime. Get ready to live in a crime-infested Third World hellhole where anyone with a lot of money will live in constant fear of being kidnapped.

    “When the money stops flowing down to the man on the street, the blood begins to flow in the streets—and the money is not flowing down.”—Gerald Celente

    Yes, the blood will flow in the streets. It will flow like rivers. God help The Banana Republic of America, rotting, collapsing empire of the Third World.

  • Patty

    Just as the packages of consumer goods have gotten smaller, employees’ salaries’ purchasing power is shrinking. As the economy contracts, the “OWNERS” do not want any part of shared sacrifices. In fact, while freezing salaries (for years), increasing employees’ contributions to health care (which is mandatory if you have no other coverage- you must sign a statement that you have it if you waive the company’s) and holding onto their cash, many companies (read EXECUTIVES) are making as much or more before the recession. I worked for 7 years in a major law firm in NYC. As a peon (secretary) I made about $72,000. Since 2008 many lawyers have been let go and replaced with contract (temp) attorneys with no benefits. My firm (whose mailroom was always outsourced inhouse) has outsourced the word processing department to Wheeling, West Va. They recently announced that they are outsourcing the Accounts Payable and Records dept. there as well. Same with several other large law firms. Some are giving secretaries the option to relocate there. And now secretaries work for a boatload of people instead of just 2-3 – more like 6. I wonder how much money they are saving per head by this move. And yes, they treat us like cattle.

    • http://www.mat-rodina.blogspot.com Stanislav Mishin

      $72 for a secretary is very good. Try finding even half that salary in a non-law firm in other areas in US companies.

  • Mark

    BEST OWS DOCUMENTARY YET
    This is really good and worth spending the time on. This guy took his family to Wall Street to check out this historical event personally. It is a marvelous accounting. I have read several of such accountings so far and all saying the same thing. WE are not getting the truth from the major news media. Why would we?? We never do. It appears to be just what I have been thinking. This is TOO BIG to hijack!! The People are finally stepping up and taking a stand against tyranny. M.

    http://www.theburningplatform.com/?p=23205

  • Mark

    6 THINGS THAT OCCUPY WALL STREET HAS ALREADY ACCCOMPLISHED

    4. MAINSTREAM MEDIA CORRUPTION HAS BEEN EXPOSED LIKE NEVER BEFORE

    5. THE NEW AMERICAN POLICE STATE IS EXPOSED – For the most part, these protests have been entirely peaceful. The majority of the violence that we have seen has actually been unprovoked police assaults on innocent protesters. Thanks to advanced technology, images of peaceful protesters being maced and roughed up by police went viral on the Internet and showed the world how police brutality works in America.

    6. WE ARE FINALLY STARTING TO LOOK BEHIND THE CURTAIN – After watching Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr., and Obama systematically destroy our economy and take away our freedoms over the course of various Democratic and Republican presidential terms it has become apparent to the American people that they really have no say in their political system. Americans now realize that going to the polls at election time is going to do absolutely nothing to change the foreign or domestic policies in this country. These policies are dictated entirely by big banks, multinational corporations and international think tanks that operate through Wall Street and the financial district in London known as “the city”. The worst of these organizations — the Federal Reserve, committee of 300, the Bilderberg Group, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission and the world’s dominant banks — are not being specifically called out enough yet, but you can rest assured that they are starting to get extremely nervous. If we can keep up the pressure and continue to educate those around us about the intricacies of this struggle, then we have the potential to create an unprecedented change for the better.
    http://www.activistpost.com/2011/11/6-things-that-occupy-wall-street-has.html

  • ScoutMotto

    I would like to offer these Occupy Wherever people an example of peaceful orderly protest.

    Back in 1993, at the encouragement of some very patriotic people, I picketed against the Denver Federal Reserve alongside some other folks. The number of us picketing at the Fed varied from day to day, but some were there most every day, making the most of the chance to speak out about the private Fed. We carried signs with messages such as “This bank issues illegal money” or whatever message tastefully got the point across. We did not use vulgar actions or displays of filth and mayhem. We did not commit vandalism. We did not dress like zombies or yell or act stupid just to attract attention. We were ordinary working Americans peacefully protesting the use of unconstitutional money in conjunction with the immorality of the federal income tax.

    Many booklets were handed out and accepted, while we carried our signs quietly and answered questions as best we could. We had a goal and a purpose. We were focused. The OWS crowd is only focused on what each person wants to shout about, which is no focus at all. They are mere attention-seekers with no cohesive goal. Is this the crowd we want to see cause change for the nation? Is this group screaming “abolish captialism” (when that isn’t even the problem) what we want representing us in the House and Senate one day? I fear for us.

    • Jason

      So basically you didnt get ish accomplished..

      I dont get it, there willing to use financial and physical violence aganst us and the rest of the world but were not allowed defense.. I call bullpucky…

      Nothing is gonna happen till we destroy there stupid toys and system. Obviously nobody cares what u did because none of us remember. Now go back to your couch open your next bag of doritos, while the real defenders go about being themselves..

      • FUKyiah

        Am I the only one reading this comment who thinks this dude is COMPLETELY ILLITERATE? This is what happens when the government runs the indoctrination – I mean “education” system…..PATHETIC! I got a headache trying to read Jason’s incoherent comment.

  • http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/ Luke Thomas

    Contrary to the message of this article, there are more options than just capitalism and communism. This erroneous mindset of a dichotomy in philosophy is irrelevant to the scientific method; from which all technological progress is derived. Our social solution is hence technological and must be achieved with the application of the scientific method for social concern. Logical decisions cannot be “made” by the highest bidder (capitalism) or a dictator. We must set our needs and the earth’s resources as parameters and continuously optimize strategic access to utilities based on emergent technology. I am describing what’s called a resource based economy where decisions are “arrived at” using advanced algorithms to evaluate submitted hypothesis of the public (democracy of ideas). If our parameters hold, implementation of the strategy will ensue. These parameters are not subjective or corruptible; they are implicitly generated through measurements and surveys of this fragile planet and our fragile bodies. The reason I believe in a resource based economy is simple; it is based on the ONLY valid historical strategy for coherent awareness and ingenuity…the scientific method.

    • FUKyiah

      Who ARE you really? Al Gore? An indoctrinated drone? The leader of an earth worshipping cult? Is the earth your mother? Should we stop raping her? Just wondering….

  • gary2

    Yes I have an agenda. It is as follows:

    We need to be more like the Scandinavian countries. Why? Because they are beating us in just about every measure. You can Google for your self to verify this.

    When people are shown a pie chart/graph of the different economies they overwhelmingly choose the Scandinavian model over the USA model by 90%.

    I love my country and am afraid its moving in the wrong direction.

    To me if you want what the Scandinavian countries have then you need to do what they do. Its really that simple.

    What do they do?

    They have a very good mix of socialism/capitalism. They have much more equal distribution of wealth and income. Less extremely rich but also less extremely poor. They do this by taxing the rich. No one is dieing under their system as so many on the right imply people do under socialism. In fact more people as a % of population die in this country under our system of private insurance (real death panels). I do not want communism and when people say this it is simply hyperbole.

    As a Christian who attends the Wisconsin Synod it says in my bible that we are to care for each other and love one another. This is not compatible with capitalism as we have it in the USA which is a winner take all.

    I may question the bible but I think that is a good thing.

    Please don’t just say if you like Scandinavian countries then move. I love this country and am concerned about the direction it is going.

  • gary2

    Here is a thought-the communist style of capitalism practiced in China seems to work out pretty good for them. What a conundrum for the right wingers!

    • Kevin2

      Gary2

      We don’t know how well it works. Their media has no freedom. Supposedly they have well over 200 coal miners (just coal) that die every year in the mines with cave ins. Regardless how weak OSHA is in the US it is I believe far superior in intent then whatever China has.

      All I see is that as the USA drops we keep comparing ourselves to lower and lower standards. Why not look at the capitalist / socialist systems in northern Europe?

      China shows the world what it wants the world to see. The MSM owned by the power elite gladly spreads what China reports. Who wants to stop the “gravy train” of extremely cheap and well controlled labor.

      Do not for a minute use China as a standard.

      • Gary2

        I was being tongue in cheek with that comment.

    • nutbustd

      you have no rights in China. Get a clue. Their gulags are FULL of people who don’t follow the communist party line. Could you imagine gulags in say upper Montana or North Dakota? These gulags would be full of Americans because we voice our opinions. Full of protesters. I remember a Square in China. In the end the people were machined-gun down. This was later revealed by some reporters. Can you imagine that in say NYC?

  • ScoutMotto

    I see no reason for people to goad others into “giving more” or “sacrifice more.”

    Already part of my paycheck is taken from me without choice for federal and state income tax. The federal income pays interest to internaitional bankers, while the state income tax goes who-knows-where (probably interest payments on the state level of debt).

    I guarantee you that if the income tax was abolished today, people would step up to the plate and help their fellow human in need without question. I know folks who have no problem leaving nice tips at local eaterys. If they do that there, imagine donations to food banks and other non-profits pickingup if the government did not steal the fruits of our labor. As it stands with the government stealing part of my labor before I even have a say, THAT is my contribution. Please don’t ask me for “more.”

    And don’t forget property tax, stolen under threat of losing property to the state.

  • Ellman

    Jerry Rubin, 60s radical: “Satisfy our demands and we go twelve more. All we want from these meetings are demands that the Establishment can never satisfy…Goals are irrelevant. The tactics, the actions are critical.” In a few sentences he has described what Occupy Wall Street is all about.

  • Georgiaboy61

    Swift, re: “For the author to say that violence will gain nothing, is a mistake. I was a young man in the Marines in the sixties and early seventies. I watched as protests went on for years: civil rights and anti-war. Only when 42 American cities were on fire, did the civil rights movement get Washington’s attention. They finally realized the threat of revolution was real. So, they capitulated and formed the biggest nanny state in history” and “I do not advocate or support violence, I merely point out the truth as I saw it.”

    Swift, you point out a paradox of the modern world which many folks don’t see. Namely, that our society having foresworn violence as a means of solving problems itself creates a set a problems. Throughout human history, it was understood that the implied threat of violence was necessary to force bitter enemies and opponents to the bargaining table. Sometimes, the “threat” become reality. The labor riots and violence in 1930s America, to name one example.

    Now, however, everyone says that “violence is unacceptable” as a means of solving problems – and appears to mean it. This tells a certain class of person that they can get away with almost any crime, and not suffer for it if caught. Why should a bully accustomed to throwing his weight around, quit throwing his weight around when his victims have already told him they won’t lift a finger against him?

    There are many kinds of violenc, not just the physical – mental, moral, economic, social, intellectual and so on. Does foreswearing physical violence mean that there will be no more confrontations, wars, fights, and physical force-upon-force? No, it just means that others will find new ways to attack you.

    In truth, some disagreements are so deep and acrimonious that they can be solved only by violence and war. Our ruling class does not want the people to remember this lesson of history, but it is there, regardless. In closing, read your founding fathers, i.e., Patrick Henry and Thomas Jefferson, and their views on the matter. They made no pretentions about preferring freedom to enslavement, even at the risk of violence.

    • Jason

      These are the hotiy toyti.. The sideline takers.. The your revolution might effect my commute or trip to MC donalds during mc rib season…

      They just parrot the non violent thing, no reason for it.. Its like brain washing residue left over from the television… They may agree but the people in power have u by the temporal lobes..

      Its like having a wolf in a peen of sheep. Some sheep say Just protest the wolf outta here, makes no sense. Hes not leaving until he limps out at least..

  • Harvey

    You censored my post for violent content really? I get it just keep reading your articles about how our country is deteriorating but put on a smile and look on the bright side. I thought my views were valid and I was looking forward to some responses to see how your other readers are coping with the current situations in our country. I’ll just never post again sorry if were offended but these people are not peaceful and they are not abiding by the laws of the land.

  • Carla Angelo

    Suetonius-this is my thought also except I’m no beleiver in the NWO. I just think this is the excuse they would use to clamp down on us hard. You know I’ve never been afraid before but I am starting to feel fear about losing the last little bits of our civil liberties. Why can’t people see whats really going on in this country? I’m shocked when I hear how some of my co-workers think about the situation, one of them actually sided with the big bankers and said that they deserved it because they worked hard for it. I just shook my head and shut my mouth because I knew it would be futile to say anything. My heart has sunk into my stomach because this is really only going to get worse and its happening all over the world-I smell war big time-World War. I hope america has what it takes to do what we can to restore what we once had.

  • J

    What it all boils down to now is TRUST , who can we TRUST to restore our former way of life , RON PAUL seems to be the only one , he has been consistent for the Last 30 Years , LETS FACE THE FACTS , sacrifices will have to be made and who can we trust NOT TO TAKE UNFAIR ADVANTAGE OF US , The banks don’t want him in because they will loose control , let’s face the facts the Federal reserve note will be all but worthless in a short time so the time has come to roll the clock all the way back to the begining , 1776 , NO INCOME TAX AND NO FEDERAL RESERVE

  • MarkD

    Gary2 If I may. I do not agree with his stand, But it offends me that so many of you hate him for his opinion. He has a right to say and think what he wants. I for one am very proud to live in a country that gives us that right. If you cannot listen to what other people think you cannot learn. As a capitalist I want to be able to make as much as I can. I also share with those who help me make it. Our capitalist system is so so broken. To 100% disagree with Gary2 is uninformed and blind to the corruption in our businesses today. Wall street has stolen trillions of dollars from working class peoples 401ks and we can’t even get out of their corrupt system because the corrupt government built it to steal from all of us. You wouldn’t want to get some of that back from those rich #@$%&’s. Don’t look at this problem as a Democrat/Republican problem. They are both against us as well as “most” capitalist. I know from earlier posts Gary2 has been hit harder than alot of us. His views are a result of that and he is one of about 145 million(S.S. 65mil, Food Stamps 45 mil, unemployment 15 mil, 20 mil goverment workers, underemployed who knows at this point) people that feel the same way. So if you don’t have a way to fix all of this it is moot to hate him for feeling this way. We are in a world of shit here and the enemy is not each other it is the system. When I watch the occupy wall street group. My only thought is “the enemy of my enemy is my friend. This is going to get ugly. I have been prepping for 5 years, if I was in Gary2 shoes struggling to get by today and unable to prep for what is coming, I would be freaking out right now. May God help us all!

    • gary2

      Thanks Mark D. Isn’t it wonderful that we have the freedom to share ideas and opinions?

    • Kevin2

      MarkD

      Well said. You think; more should.

  • Mad Max

    Talking about our problems is the easy part. Doing something about them is hard part that no one is addressing. Protesting won’t solve our problems. We need a new vision for the country and your not getting it from government or business. That’s simply because they don’t have one and for the most they don’t care.

    Don’t be Afraid!
    The Revolution has started –
    Read “Common Sense 3.1” at ( http://www.revolution2.osixs.org )

    FIGHT THE CAUSE – NOT THE SYMPTOM

  • mark c

    One more time..
    “a jealous man can’t work”
    “a scared man can’t win”
    these occupyed people are jealous (men & women)
    you have more than me whin…whin…
    well, someone will always have more than you and
    if you sit around with a red face ,you’re have what we got at occupied dead-beat brats

    • Gary2

      turn off fox news and ruch pillhead.

  • Lennie Pike

    In countless instances throughout history it has been necessary to use violence to subdue evil. I am not saying that it is necessary to use violence to take our country back, and am not advocating it. I’m only saying that no one can make the claim with any certainty that our country can be taken back without it – that the U.S. Constitution will be reinstated – mainly by ending the Fed and bribery of Congress.

    In countless instances history has proven that without violence, the evil would have continued indefinitely. Obviously the U.S. Military has had to use violence, and police have to use it every day.

    We have a fascist government and the U.S. Constitution has been thrown in the toilet. Our country has been destroyed so that a very few can become extremely wealthy and have the opportunity to do the same thing on a world scale when they have finished off the U.S..

    We have evil people in control of our government – the same ones that will soon control the entire world. Those who control fiat money, control EVERYTHING!!!

    All I am saying is that no one can claim with any certainty that peaceful protest will bring about the end of our fascist government and a return to a Congress that represents the American People.

    If there ever was a time when peaceful protest is not going to do the trick – this could be it. They’re going for the World this time so things are a little different. For “them” “everything” is riding on keeping control at all cost and just about all of their actions point to that being true.

    • Highspeed

      Unfortunately, I agree with you 100 %. They will go down without a fight. If you are like I am you are ready to fight. There will be bloodshed, probably yours and mine, but that may be the price we have to pay if we are to win back any of our freedoms.

      • Highspeed

        correction: They will not go down without a fight.

      • Lennie Pike

        I am like you.

  • mark c

    Excuse me, but who wants to live in a world with
    these bonehead anarchist at occupy dumb*sses.
    it’s just like the Bible predicted! un godly savages in the streets, who use fear and intimidation,on other people. no conception of doing good deeds,or integreity. Who raised these heterins? Fool(parents and teachers).

    • Ian

      you mean like setting up soup kitchens and feeding and clothing the poor which is what they are doing in most of these cities. I have bad news for you bub, but jesus christ himself would be in the streets with the poor and downtrodden and if you think otherwise, then you need to re-read your bible. Truth is hard to swallow.

      • FUKyiah

        Jesus would not advocate stealing from the rich to help the poor, like those in the “occupy” movement, you moron. Was Jesus in favor of a “progressive” tithe rate?

  • anonymous coward

    No mention of the two seperate occaisions where peaceful protesters were run over by 1%’ers in their luxury cars, I see. While police looked on, then arrested the injured and let drivers guilty of attempted homicide go free!

    I can guess who you’re rooting for, huh?

    • Gary2

      Michael is right wing conservative biased. He may try to deny this but his posts speak for themselves.

      Even so he is good person.

      • DownWithLibs

        At least you are more likely to get the truth of the matter out of him. Try being grateful for once. Might just change your perspective.

  • libertarian777

    this article rings true.
    When people realise it is BIG government that ENABLES big corporations

    If Wells, BAC, etc. were allowed to fail there would be no big banks today.

    History is littered with large companies going under, as is the rule with real capitalism. Apple 10 years ago was nowhere, now they are larger than IBM.
    in 10 years time where will APple be

  • jerry O

    What we are seeing is just
    the beginning.

    As the world’s economies
    continue to melt down we
    are going to see more and
    more people riot in the streets.

    Some are in desperate for
    help and others are just
    wanting handouts.

    As our work ethic continues
    to go down, more and more
    people think they need a
    handout and that they
    deserve the government
    to help them.

    All this can be predicted
    by looking at past
    generations and seeing
    what they went through.

    We are headed for a major
    collapse and unless you
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  • oleguy

    I went to a rally and cannot back them after reading their manifesto which is all about memememe as usual. I asked why they are not demonstrating at the Congree and white hous and most want obamas re-elected and that when I started questioning the movements integrity.

    Both parties are screwing them and they are allowing the bankers to do it. Guess what the Gov’t will do as it likes until we the people wake up to it. We can control the banks if we take back our government. Until that time happens most are wasting their time. The fed’s are laughing so hard at them right now as they now have a sdcapegoat instead of their crooked butts. If you are now realizing the media is nothing more then a propaganda machine where have you been sleeping. Get prepared and wake up and when you all want to come to the table and be rational and solve more then your debt problems whiih started with yourselves and the crooked government nothing will change.

  • bob

    talked to the occupiers, here in cleveland ohio they are marxists and socialist, not anarchist. obama and his people have funded and hatched these minions, the red guard i think. business and the banks are like water, they follow a natural path and the government has diverted, directed and destroyed the economy to create multiple crisis. no one is tearing down the white house or capital building. the whores are safe. the useful idiots are filling the streets and perhaps after it all comes to a head, goes really violent, america is not europe, there are millions of guns here with itchy fingers, it will not end well, but it will end and hopefully the politicians will be punished for causing all this turmoil. perhaps there will be several nations here instead of one, just keep your weapons ready to defend you life and freedom, this has been a long time coming.

  • bocat

    “… and they recognize that violence is not the answer.”

    Yes, violence is the answer. Throughout history, violence has typically been the answer. That is how the vast majority of conflicts have been resolved. And this one is likely to be no different.

  • http://EconomicCollapse Already Gone

    Patience,Patience,Patience.The Fat Ladies Voice Is Starting To Crack,Doom And Gloom Will Soon Follow, Just Show A Little Patience.

  • Sue

    One change alone could help us get out of this mess;

    Election reform!

    Curtail funding of campains to no more than $5.00 per citizen.

    Outlaw paid lobbying and lobbyists.

    STRICT term limits.

    Overturn Citizen’s United that gives ‘personhood’ to corporations.

  • Lucy

    Help! Does anybody know who the author of this article is? I couldn’t find it. (:

    • Michael

      Lucy:

      I am the author. :)

      Michael

  • Winston Smith

    you again assume that if no capitalism, then communism, a flase “either” “or” paradigm….when it is neither capitalism (usury, preying on the workers), no communism (govt in charge and preying on everyone). distributism=Christ centered, economics based on the family and wide ownership of property, not in the hands of a few, but in hands of people and families, privately owned and family run……

  • http://www.watchman2009.blogspot.com Cliff Hilbert

    FRIDAY, AUGUST 12, 2011

    Class Warfare

    In my last message I mentioned class warfare, which our liar-in-chief and his cronies are trying to incite with their continual “us against the rich” statements. The violence that is now happening in Great Britain is exactly that – class warfare. It is the have-nots against the “rich”. It is those who are extremely jealous of others who have more than they do and they are reacting in anger and violence. These animals think they are entitled to whatever someone else has, even though they themselves have not earned it. It is a mob mentality, the emotions of savages, not human beings.

    We will soon see this same class warfare erupt in this nation. If you own a business or live in a nice neighborhood I strongly suggest that you begin to take whatever measures you can to protect your families, property and businesses. The evil ones who are going to loose this violence upon this nation are without conscience or morals and will kill you and your family if they can, they will steal anything and everything of value. They are pure, absolute evil. I promise you that civil war is coming upon this nation by next year.

    www,watchman2009,blogspot.com

  • Grizzly907

    Just start **************** these protestors. They are traitors to the republic and are Adolph Obama’s brown shirts. These scum need to be cracked down and eliminated from the gene pool. You better believe that they would of had their heads kicked in if they were occupying the fed, or protesting in support of the second amendment.

  • Ken Mejta

    What is happening is a disgrace. It is plain to see that America is headed towards becoming a police state. The Dept of Homeland Security is the means by which the 1% (greedy rich, connected and powerful)are conniving with the corrupt “bought and paid for” politicians to prevent peaceful protest and subvert the constitution. Before there was slavery by the rich and powerful that took hundreds of years to abolish but the ‘corrupt rich’ do not give up easy. What is happening is to bring back slavery again…in a new form viz. eliminate or drastically reduce the middle class, the backbone of a democratic civilized society, and have only two classes in the country. The ‘rich and powerful’ who will rule and control the country and the ‘other class’ totally dependent upon the privileged class for their employment and economic well being. This will then create a new form of “economic slavery”….and history will repeat again with a different twist to it. I, for one, support the OWS movement and wish them success and lots of luck. I think more and more Americans should join the OWS movement through peaceful protest and a non-cooperation movement against the government just like Gandhi did against the British. I wish Godspeed and success to the courageous protesters. And SHAME UPON THE POLICE FOR THEIR VIOLENT and OUTRAGEOUS TREATMENT/BEHAVIOR AGAINST THEM.

  • thomakat70

    yeah just wait we are coming…people are waking up and the kids are just now getting things warmed up..im tired of the middle class getting hosed by the same people that are suppose to be protecting our interest..we are getting the shaft..the banks are crashing and we are losing everything from our rights to even our food(gmo)…people what will it take for you to wake up and smell the coffee,you say we are radicals.i say we dont have jobs we are being thrown out of our houses by the same banks that crashed our economy(if you believe we are recovering you are so lost)..we cant grow gardens or fly on a plane without being harrassed,im tired of all this..listen either we stand up for something ..our die with nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Silent Majority

    But if Occupy Wall Street protesters want to take things to “the next level”, they should not underestimate the resolve of the police state.
    ==============================================

    Those of the “Police State” need to understand that they work for the PEOPLE. Their authority is bestowed upon them by WE THE PEOPLE. They also need to remember (otherwise they will be reminded of it the hard way) that they bleed like everyone else. What’s going to happen when the next time someone’s hair is pulled, or a flash-bang grenade goes off, that a protester doesn’t shoot one of these pigs dead in the street. We can show up ***********************************

  • Jen

    Please don’t quote the statistics of a known-to-be-biased news organization (Fox) in a persuasion piece. There are better news stations to quote.

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