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Why The Jobs Report Is Not Nearly As Strong As You Are Being Told

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Jobs Unemployment Main Street - Public DomainHappy days are here again? On Friday, the mainstream media was buzzing with the news that the U.S. economy had added 255,000 jobs during the month of July. But as you will see below, the U.S. economy did not add 255,000 jobs during the month of July. In fact, without an extremely generous “seasonal adjustment”, the number of jobs added during the month of July would not have even kept up with population growth. But the pretend number sounds so much better than the real number, and so the pretend number is what is being promoted for public consumption.

Why doesn’t the government ever just tell us the plain facts? Unfortunately, we live at a time when “spin” is everything, and just about everyone in the mainstream media seemed quite pleased with the “good jobs report” on Friday. However, as Zero Hedge has pointed out, the truth is that the “unadjusted” numbers tell a very different story…

As Mitsubishi UFJ strategist John Herrmann wrote in a note shortly after the report, the “jobs headline overstates” strength of payrolls. He adds that the unadjusted data show a “middling report” that’s “nowhere as strong as the headline” and adds that private payrolls unadjusted +85k in July vs seasonally adjusted +217k.

In Herrmann’s view, the government applied a “very benign seasonal adjustment factor upon private payrolls to transform a soft private payroll gain into a strong gain.”

He did not provide a reason why the government would do that.

Every month, the U.S. economy must create at least 150,000 new jobs just to keep up with population growth. According to the unadjusted numbers, we did not hit that threshold, and so the employment situation in this country actually got worse last month.

In America today, there are 7.8 million Americans that are considered to be officially unemployed, and another 94.3 million working age Americans that are considered to be “not in the labor force”.

When you add those two numbers together, you get a grand total of 102 million working age Americans that do not have a job right now.

Rather than focusing on the headline “unemployment” figure, we get a much fairer look at the employment crisis in the United States when we examine the employment-population ratio. The following chart comes directly from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, and it shows that the percentage of Americans that are employed has never even come close to getting back to where it was just prior to the last recession…

Employment-Population Ratio 2016

Over the past couple of years we have seen a slight bump in this number, and that is good, but normally after a recession ends the employment-population ratio goes back to at least as high as it was before.  Unfortunately, this has not happened after the last two recessions.  The following comes from Wolf Richter

The ratio always drops during recessions, but before 2001, it always climbed to higher highs during the recoveries. The 2001 recession and subsequent recovery changed this. For the first time, the ratio never fully recovered, never got even close to fully recovering. That was a new phenomenon: employment growth could no longer keep up with population growth.

When the Great Recession hit, the ratio plunged from its lower starting point at the fastest pace on record (going back to 1948). The Fed’s efforts were all focused exclusively on bailing out bondholders, re-inflating the stock market, re-inflating the housing market, and generally creating what had become the official Fed policy at the time, the Wealth Effect (here’s Bernanke himself explaining it). This has re-inflated asset prices – many of them way beyond their prior bubble peaks.

But the Fed’s astounding focus on capital accelerated the already changing dynamics of the economy, at the expense of labor.

Even the Wall Street Journal admits that we are in the weakest “economic recovery” since 1949, and now there are lots of signs that we have entered a brand new economic downturn.  Here are just a few examples from Chad Shoop

  • Ford, GM and Chrysler — three of the U.S.’ largest auto companies — reported sales for July that missed estimates: down 3%, 1.9% and up 0.3%, respectively.
  • Delta Airlines, one of the largest airlines in the world, said revenue fell 7% in July as part of its monthly performance update.
  • Macy’s, the biggest department store company, reported a decline in sales for July, leading to more aggressive markdowns and an industry-wide sell-off.

And lots of ominous signs continue to pop up on Wall Street as well.  For one thing, the Libor rate has surged to the highest level since the last financial crisis.  If you are not familiar with Libor, here is a pretty good explanation of it from Business Insider

The Libor, or London Interbank Offered Rate, measures the interest rate at which banks lend to each other at different durations, and its sharp jump was a harbinger of the financial crisis.

And according to that same article, the Libor rate is now the highest that we have seen since early 2009

In the past month, the Libor rate has spiked to rates not seen since the first quarter of 2009, the heart of the banking meltdown.

Not to mention, the spread between the Libor and the Overnight Index Swap rate, which tracks the lending rate from the Federal Reserve, has widened, another potentially worrying sign.

But of course I have been quoting facts and figures like this for months, and yet U.S. financial markets continue to hold it together.

There are literally dozens of parallels between the global financial crisis of 2008 and what is happening in 2016, but Wall Street continues to defy the laws of economics.

Of course it won’t last forever, but it certainly has been a sight to behold.

And I am certainly not alone in my analysis.  As I noted the other day, DoubleLine Capital CEO Jeffrey Gundlach is entirely convinced that stocks “should be down massively”…

“The artist Christopher Wool has a word painting, ‘Sell the house, sell the car, sell the kids.’ That’s exactly how I feel – sell everything. Nothing here looks good,” Gundlach said in a telephone interview. “The stock markets should be down massively but investors seem to have been hypnotized that nothing can go wrong.”

For the moment, investors continue to pay extremely irrational prices for stocks, and the mainstream media is just giddy about the state of the economy.

So let us enjoy this very strange period of stability for however much longer it lasts, but let us also protect ourselves from the horrible crash that will inevitably follow.

 
  • anonymous

    How do we protect ourselves from complete destruction? Sometimes I feel like preparation in the physical realm is futile. The preparation I try to focus on today is a spiritual preparation. Getting closer to God. If you don’t have a relationship with Jesus Christ yet, now would be a good time.

    • Plextt Plextt

      Well, when all else fails, imagination helps the special ones.

      • anonymous

        I hope you’re right. Because I don’t even want to imagine an eternity in hell. Even if hell doesn’t exist, I couldn’t imagine an eternity apart from my loving Savior Jesus Christ. It wouldn’t be fun…..

    • jox

      Some people find helpful to have imaginary friends. Hope it works for you.

  • Robert

    Why would anyone trust anything the government says or does? How often does the electorate have to be fooled before it catches on to the ongoing scam? You have to suspend all judgment and imagination to buy into the ponzi economy.

    • No Soup for you!

      We have 102 million unemployed people certainly a few million of them are counted in the 52 million receiving gov’t assistance, all are well inside the trap, they can’t get out.
      When the trap door shuts, they will have no choice but to capitulate and comply with every demand made of them in order to qualify to receive basic living products and services from the gov’t.

      I don’t think the gov’t will address this issue until it benefits them to do so, then it will be overstated in order to say their hand is forced. When this happens it will impact everyone as it will require more revenue (taxes) to address the issue.
      Revenue to help the population must come from somewhere, they will insist we pay, unlike the bailouts and QE infinity for corporations where they created money for their problems.

      • Is Geppetto your father?

        Well said RIM. So are your other incognito comments.

      • anonymous

        Yes. Addicted to handouts. Dependence on government. Yes. All according to plan…..

  • truth

    Lesson #1: The things we see on the Earth are all temporary.
    Lesson #2: We must trust in something we cannot see.
    Lesson #3: God is not the author of confusion.
    Lesson #4: Idolatry is a sin.
    Lesson #5: God gives us our daily bread-that’s daily-like today only.
    Lesson #6: God cannot lie.
    Lesson #7: There is a day of reckoning a coming so look up cause our redemption is nigh!!!
    PRAISE GOD!!!! WOOOOOOO HOOOOO!!!!!
    Extra Credit: People that disagree with God and His word are nothing is His sight. People get ready there’s a train a coming whether you believe or not you’ll be dead a lot longer than you’re alive.
    Extra Extra Credit: God loves you/us and doesn’t want us to perish-go to Hell.
    Ask God to reveal Himself to you.

    • Bill G Wilminton NC

      WOW…. thanks

    • SnohtBlossom

      there is noo god
      You wanna know the truth? YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
      And that’s why Michael deletes it for you.

      • anonymous

        Then why does it bother you so much? I don’t go on websites with clearly opposing views to pick fights. I try to find like-minded people. Even if you don’t find any like-minded people, then try to have open-minded views on everything. Shouting at everyone doesn’t mean you get heard. I was mad at God for a while. Maybe that is the truth you are trying so hard to hide…..

        • SnohtBlossom

          This is an economics board. You people bastardize it with your god
          (this message will be destructed within 5 hours)

          • anonymous

            People are looking for hope in a financially hopeless world. Is it any wonder why people look to a power greater than themselves? Some people choose money, government, weapons, religions, drugs, sex, relationships to distract from this hopelessness. There is an economic side to religion, just look at the Vatican (which I do not endorse). It’s a bit of an enigma, it’s a human condition. Maybe you can offer more valid points to your argument instead of just using simple insults.

          • alan

            So if thats the case then all religious people would be rich? God gives money to those who pray to it? So then we can say poor people must be evil because god didn’t give them money.
            Economic collapses happen all the time and have always happened and will continue to.

          • anonymous

            The Vatican is rich. Do some research……By the way there is a difference between religious people and spiritual people. God blesses who He chooses to bless. Ask and you may receive, but there are blessings greater than financial riches.

          • dmengdon

            I’m sorry you’ve been so deceived, God loves everybody because were all his children. He loves us so much he sent his only son to die on the cross so we could be saved. God is real and his existence is all around you. Religion has nothing to do with this. God gave us free will because he doesn’t want to demand your love and wants you to give it freely. He loves you and all you have to do is ask. Read the bible and Gods word might open your eyes. God is the only truth.

          • SnohtBlossom

            Most people on this board aren’t here looking for hope. They are here to spout their inane beliefs.

          • The Almighty Bob

            I just spoke to Mike and convinced him to let it stay.

          • LIZ THE SHIZ

            you are an hour overdue and this ain’t mission impossible

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            This is an economics board. You people don’t even understand it and proselytize your failed god.

      • Katrina Survivor

        The Fool has said in his heart that there is no God. If you would examine the simple facts of creation you would conclude there is a God. God has made himself known to you and all through this evidence so that you are without excuse.

      • kfilly

        Funny you say that. A lot of workd leaders believe in Satanism and follow thr occult. If there is no God, there should be no Satan. Right?

        • alan

          Thats my theory.

      • James Staten

        One might surmise at this moment it appears you and Jack are headed in the same direction? 1st Corinthians 15:1-4

    • ISA41:10

      Well said!!!

      • SnohtBlossom

        there is noo god
        You wanna know the truth? YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
        And that’s why Michael deletes it for you.

        • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

          I don’t delete the truth.

    • ALWAYSTOMORROW

      Good stuff. Sure beats the common thoughtless drivel posted here..

      • Malcolm Reynolds

        Now thats what I’m taking about! If you cant be ALWAYSTOMORROW you can talk like him.

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          1 – *cough* impostor

          Someone’s pu$$y got all itchy that he got put down beyond his intellect’s ability to fight back. Awwwww…

          • ALWAYSTOMORROW

            Two boobs.

    • Rhino Horns

      If you want a better understanding of the nature of The Father and The Son, go to http://www.mercifultruth.com. He is not wicked. God Bless You.

    • alan

      So I was thinking the other day is Satan also Arab? Its possible a lot of our problems today stem from too many Arab gods. Perhaps we should have adopted Native American religions. I don’t ever seem to recall the wind spirit sending people to hell. Just wondering.

    • Gay Veteran

      thanks for staying on topic…….NOT

      • Bill G Wilminton NC

        Lesson # 7 ” There is a day of reckoning coming so look up cause our redemption is nigh ” !!!.

        Everyone Has His Day Of Reckoning….

        Shalom

    • Dean Clements

      Rock On Christian Soldier!

    • jox

      There is no God. You are two thousand years wrong, but insist.

  • Bill

    No, sad days are here again. Especially since the imposter who is supposed to be our leader is promoting the false scenario of an improving economy. Even worse is the disaster he is promoting to take his place. He lies, she lies and America dies.

    Unless, ( can you fill in the right words)?

    • Bill G Wilminton NC

      Short Circuits dont work in electrical systems and definitely will not work as The President !.

    • anonymous

      Unless Jesus comes back, before an attack, and all of our freedom Obama redacts….

  • K

    Ever since the U.S. established what amounts to a propaganda bureau. Why would anyone believe a thing they have to say? And considering how open the MsM has been about supporting Hillary. Why would you think anything they report is true? People used to avoid lying. Know it seems, it is all the majority know how to do.

    • Bill

      I see it as a sad sign of desperation.

      • Corruption runs deep

        It also highlights the extent and depth of corruption.

    • anonymous

      I agree, they don’t even try to hide their bias anymore. I watch mainstream television as satirical entertainment. It’s the only way I can stomach watching mainstream media. If I take it too seriously I get angry. Truthfully, after a short while I usually just start getting angry and yelling at my television. I don’t like being lied to, you know….

      • Ricardo

        What is a television ? I haven’t owned or watched one in …..hmmm….hang on a minute I’m counting……. about 5 or 6 years

        • anonymous

          It’s a colorful box that tries to sell you things, indoctrinate you, lie to you and make you feel horrible about yourself. Why don’t you own one?

          • Skinny Larry

            There is a reason they call it programming!

          • sistersoldier

            And an even bigger reason they created digital tv programming. So that they can edit your mind – when necessary.

          • Electronic wizard

            Wouldn’t it have worked with analog TV?

          • sistersoldier

            Not quite. Digital programming allows for photo shopping in the new tech age and you can also edit live tv.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Golly gee, you’re smart.

            Share some more wisdom with us idiots.

          • sistersoldier

            That was simply light weight human perspective and your comment is uncalled for and inappropriate.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Sorry. 🙁

          • Ricardo

            Because it steals my intelligence and time.

  • themacabre

    Everything the Govt puts out now is to get Hillary into the White House…nothing else matters.

  • GUY

    Sorry, the populace are that stupid to believe the media. You know it…I know it. So why pretend that they don’t know what they are doing with their lying propaganda machine. And the Stock market will keep going up. Only the central banks and funds are in. It will go up until the average Joe is back in to rob. This is now a world market and just where can anyone in the world park money. Not the banks. Not bonds. Only the stock market. The PMs are to small a market and are shunned by the people, and real estate is already priced to perfection on the coasts at least. Flee ye to the mountains. Get a small acreage and home away from the bustle of depravity and ignorance. Enjoy what life is left!

    • Bill G Wilminton NC

      And Trust In The Lord Yeshua ( Jesus )….

      Shalom

  • Captn Oblivious

    It wasn’t a test. It goes without saying, that’s why he didn’t say and that’s why you don’t say, but you said it.
    No gold star as you missed the subtly,
    How many bumper sticker do you have on your Chevy truck?

    • Jack Sparrow.

      I like the cut of your jib.

      • Captn Obvious

        You can’t match my VMG, my spinnaker is huge and after all, you are in a filthy thingy in a dingy.

  • Is Geppetto your father?

    Michael, you mentioned “protect ourselves from the horrible crash that will inevitably follow.”

    How much longer do you think it will be until things start to fall apart horribly? Five months?

    Maybe you should issue some type of a warning for the last 5 months of this year.

    • df NJ

      Within the next 20,000 years there’s a pretty good chance the super volcano at Yosemite will erupt and an extinction level meteorite will hit the Earth. Bad things will inevitably happen. The question we need to ask is when will the “horrible crash” occur. I bet most of you will be long dead before the stock market crashes or Jesus returns.

      • Is Geppetto your father?

        When someone finds out when, maybe that someone should start a c0untd0wn. Maybe that guy Jack Sparrow knows.

    • anonymous

      If he made a prediction it would probably be wrong. I don’t know if anybody thought the financial collapse would take as long as it has. The problem is there are too many variables. The wealthy can prolong a collapse as long as they have the resources to do so. I think that might be the determining factor though. A total depletion of the world’s available food (maybe drought) and water would surely speed things up. Or the more obvious scenario, nuclear war.

    • ONE WHO KNOWS

      No one can predict an exact date. The system is unraveling. Just open your eyes and see for yourself what is happening. Listen to people talk. I was at the mechanic last week. He was complaining to another customer business had never been so slow. While at the mechanic another customer jumped into the conversation and said that he and his wife were both working 2 jobs to stay afloat. The man lives in Swarthmore, Pennsylvania. Which is an upscale neighborhood. Again, keep your eyes and ears open. And you will learn the truth of what’s really happening in our great country.

  • df NJ

    As long as people continue to choose to go to work the amount of money they are paying is enough. All the commentary doesn’t change the fact that people are willing to suffer for their meager wages. The grocery stores are full. The roads are full. People are working. People are eating and pooping. People are copulating and babies are being born. Life goes on. No matter how much you think people are “stupid” people are just trying to live their lives the best way they know how.

    You only criticize and hate in other people what you do not like about your own character. The next time you pass judgment on someone else maybe you should think what that says about you instead.

    • Is Geppetto your father?

      Well said. No, that is brilliant.

      Are you sure you aren’t ALWAYSTOMORROW?

    • ali

      Bravo nicely said.

    • sistersoldier

      “For as in those days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until that day Noah entered into the ark, and they were unaware until the flood came and took away all; so also will be the (second) coming of the Son of Man.”

      • Wishful thinking

        Any day, right?

      • Gay Veteran

        bilge, the ark fairy tale

        • sistersoldier

          I’m married vagina boy, I know, I know, please don’t cry….. I understand that its hard for you to accept but you are just going to have to find someone new.

  • barry oldwater

    If the Gov can convince the populace that the economy is doing good up till election time then Hillary is a shoe in, so why you wonder, this is why, even if they can get it till October one bad month don’t mean nuthin, look how good us Dems do and then Trump will not stand a chance and after Nov, to late.

  • Bob332

    Since WHEN does anyone believe ANYTHING that comes out of this Regime.

  • ali

    “Faith is submission, and submission is certainty, and certainty is the affirmation of the truth, and affirmation of the truth is acknowledgement, and acknowledgement is performance of what is obligatory, and performance of what is obligatory is appropriate action” Imam Ali(AS)

  • anonymous

    Why don’t we have flying cars? I thought by now we would all own flying cars….I guess the reality of it would be a dying airline industry and more jobs overseas building our flying cars. Not to mention national security, we would need to build much larger walls.

    I guess I answered my own question, but I still wish we had flying cars.

    • Be on the lookout

      Flying cars and a collapse will happen within 2 months of each other.

      • anonymous

        So….flying cars any day now then huh?

  • JC Teecher

    According to the Center for Migration Studies, there are about 7 million “undocumented workers” in the US. That means these are people either getting paid in cash, or somehow slipping through the cracks of the IRS.

    The total of illegal immigrants, which is a very soft phrase since a majority of those receive some sort of “taxpayer benefits/handouts/food assistance”, is reported to be in the neighborhood of 30 million, or even higher.

    The DHS figure of 11 million is once again…”an adjusted” figure, so take that for what it is worth.

    When adding up the total disabled and partially disabled, of approximately 51 million, with the 48 million over the age of 65, and the 80 million that are 18 or younger, the real totals start looking obscure.

    Obscure because the US Dept. of Labor, claims there are 125 million Americans working full time, or 30 hours or more each week ( hours considered full time was changed by Obamacare from what used to be about 38 weekly hours or more).

    Let’s do a little tally here, disabled, plus the over and underage group totals (note: minus the approximate totals, from these three groups, estimated to be working full time of about 10 million) equals 169 million, “documented” citizens, not in the full time workforce.

    For ghits and siggles, let’s cut the approximated figure of 30 million “undocumented” down to 16 million, and add that into the population, we get another approximate of about 8 million of those thrown into the non available workers, so we’re back to about 177 million non workers, or part time workers (which means earning below poverty level ),

    Add in the approximate number of “officially unemployed” of about 8 million, and we’re up to 185 million unavailable to work, or working part time, which is living below poverty level, income wise; or looking for work.

    The point is, “IF”, the system collapses,the US gov becomes bankrupt, and 2/3rds of the US population is “cut off” from benefits such as social security retirement/disability, social services such as free medical and food stamp/EBT funds, as well as unemployment benefits; and any savings or banking investments get locked up or disappear, then chaos and calamity ensue. A large portion of the “reported” 125 million full time workers would loose their jobs, as well as, any income, if the gov becomes bankrupt.

    As a realist, and believer in prophetic visions, I could see David Wilkerson’s vision of 1000 fires burning in the greater NY City area, which reaches into parts of New Jersey and Conn. Couple that with rioting, killings, and looting. Multiply that with the same type scenario playing out all across America’s major cities, and the smoke of her torment will rise unto the Heavens.

    Plan, Prepare, and Pray.

    • sistersoldier

      Good points and notable advise.

      I too submit that we (believers):
      1. Persevere in praise and worship.
      2. Persist by pressing in through prayer continually.
      3. Prepare for His plans and precepts; as man’s plans have totally failed.

      Amen.

      • JC Teecher

        Good day sister! You got that right. Amen?

        Persevere is a good, actually, great word.
        We, as True Christians, can “persevere” through anything thrown at us with Christ as our Guardian.

        Because of His Love for us, we always have hope.

        • sistersoldier

          [Under the anointing, those who are in need, gain supernatural power to do the impossible. Those who have no strength are given wings of eagles to RISE above problems that others can’t walk through.] ~Matthew Hagee

  • jakartaman

    Do not believe the rigged polls
    Stop watching the MSM and reading the liberal print media.
    You know in your gut Trump will win by a landslide
    I also do not think Hillary will make it to Nov. 8th

    • JC Teecher

      I think you are right, hopefully. However the real tally will show otherwise because “they” will buy the election for billery.

      I look forward to the debate, so the world can see her come apart, mentally and physically, as her evil deeds have caught up to her.

      A bout of convulsions, head shakings, and near seizures, would be a sure sign of her incompetence as potus, much less local dog catcher.
      Maybe that is why she flew into that barking frenzy a while back….as practice.

      • Kim

        She can take a prolonged bathroom break during her “short circuit” moments. I hope they have her loaded up on plenty of gabapentin and diazepam during the debates (if she even shows up).

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          Don’t wish that on her. That gabapentin is whats fing my head up now. That and the crystal meth.

    • greanfinisher .

      With both political parties backing the gun confiscatin’ racketeer, a Trump win would be improbable.

    • Bill G Wilminton NC

      Trump By Landslide To White House !……. Hillary By Police Car To Jail House !

  • df NJ

    Since the US invaded Iraq, gasoline prices have doubled, food and everything else doubled, but everyone salaries have barely budged in 12 years. The economy is going nowhere as long as wages are kept depressed. This is by far the weakest recovery in the last 100 years.

    • ALWAYSTOMORROW

      Gasoline is cheap.

      • It’s all about me. :-)

        Yes it is. Who cares about how many people have to suffer to make it cheap?

        • df NJ

          I don’t know about who has suffered to make it cheap. But everyone suffered to make it expensive. A price of pizza in Morristown NJ went from $1.50 to $2.95 in five years. That’s 100% inflation on a piece of pizza. My salary did not go up 100%!

  • greanfinisher .

    For all intents and purposes, the vast majority of the so-called ‘jobs’ out there are essentially worthless, and hence the lingering 23.0% unemployment rate (Shadow Statistics) in the Greater Depression. If one can latch onto one of the social entitlement programs, do it. After all, why should anyone play fair when the system won’t reciprocate?

    • df NJ

      Besides, practically 100% of social security goes right back into the economy making the shareholders richer! Hey wait a minute, maybe there’s some kind of enlightened self-interest in there for rich people!!!!

      • JC Teecher

        …and since 80% of my ss goes into my pie hole, they are welcome to all the enrichment they want, as i deposit it right back into the system.

  • Priszilla

    “Missed estimates by …%”
    So what. If you are working you know that these estimates are crap in the first place. Nobody is allowed to produce realistic estimates. They are all dreams.
    Try to make a realistic estimate and you can look for a new job.

  • is Geppetto your father?

    Would you like to bet $3.00 that they are not correct?

    • Paleface

      your $3 and i’ll rise another $2

  • Jack Frost

    Seasonal adjustments baby! Who says reality is set in stone? Buy the fantasy, forget the dip. Fiction peddling extraordinaire!!!

  • rentslave

    The Democrats have gone into their 4 corner stat manipulation,hoping to run out the clock before it hits the fan.

    • df NJ

      So in your world, the Democrats are responsible for all that is bad. And I’ll assume you think the Republicans are responsible for all that is good. If you think the Republicans are not just as bad as the Democrats then you are delusional.

  • billtheguy

    The world needs a reset. All countries on their own. Its gonna hurt; wipe the slate clean; put the right people in place; lotsa bloodshed when the money stops trickling down. It’s gonna hurt a lot of people relying on the handouts. Problem is…. keep the military protecting OUR COUNTRY!!!! Not martial law.

    • df NJ

      I say we try to avoid and not encourage the killing of innocent women and children. Thanks.

  • Preacher62

    These are things about which we cannot afford to be wrong; to be wrong is still to be lost and far from God.

    • df NJ

      God is everywhere so the “far from” is only in your mind.

      • Preacher62

        No the “far from” is in your heart.
        Isaiah 29:13 (NKJV) Therefore the Lord said: “Inasmuch as these people draw near with their mouths And honor Me with their lips, But have removed their hearts far from Me, And their fear toward Me is taught by the commandment of men,

  • JMiller

    “102 million working age Americans that do not have a job right now.”

    Correct, but 75 million of them are retired persons, school students, people who are disabled or stay-at-home moms.

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