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Hospitals Are Blatantly Ripping Us Off

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Scam - Public DomainMost Americans are deathly afraid to go to the hospital these days – and it is because of the immense pain that it will cause to their wallets.  If you want to get on a path that will lead you to bankruptcy, just start going to the hospital a lot.  In America today, hospitals and doctors are blatantly ripping us off and they aren’t making any apologies for it.  As you will read about below, some hospitals mark up treatments by 1,000 percent.  In other instances, basic medical supplies are being billed out at hundreds of times what they cost providers.  For example, it has been reported that some hospitals are charging up to 30 dollars for a single aspirin pill.  It would be difficult to argue that the extreme greed that we see in the medical system is even matched by the crooks on Wall Street.  These medical predators get their hands on us when we are at our most vulnerable.  They know that in our lowest moments we are willing to pay just about anything to get better or to make the pain go away.  And so they very quietly have us sign a bunch of forms without ever telling us how much everything is going to cost.  Eventually when the bills come in the mail, it is too late to do anything about it.

How would you feel if someone sold you something for ten times the amount that it was worth?

Would you feel ripped off?

Well, that is what hospitals all over the country are doing every single day.  Just check out what one brand new study has discovered

Some hospitals are marking up treatments by as much as 1,000 percent, a new study finds, and the average U.S. hospital charges uninsured patients three times what Medicare allows.

Twenty of the hospitals in the top 50 when it comes to marking up charges are in Florida, the researchers write in the journal Health Affairs. And three-quarters of them are operated by two Tennessee-based for-profit hospital systems: Community Health Systems and Hospital Corporation of America.

“We just want to raise public awareness of the problem,” said Ge Bai of Washington & Lee University in Virginia, an accounting professor who wrote the study along with Gerard Anderson of Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore.

Does reading that make you angry?

It should.

They are greedily taking advantage of all of us.

Other studies have come up with similar results.  Here is one example

According to National Nurses United, U.S. hospital charges continue to soar with a handful of them, such as Meadowlands Hospital Medical Center in Secaucus, N.J., going as far as charging more than ten times the total cost — or almost $1,200 per $100 of the cost of care. Meanwhile, the hundred priciest hospitals in the nation were found to have this cost ratio begin at 765 percent, which is more than twice the national average of 331 percent.

Much of the time, we are being overcharged for tests, services and procedures that we don’t even need.

It has been estimated that the amount of truly wasteful spending in the U.S. medical system comes to a grand total of about $600 billion to $700 billion annually.  That means that wasteful medical spending in the U.S. each year is greater than the GDP of the entire country of Sweden.

And of course almost everyone has a story about an absolutely ridiculous medical bill that they have received.  In fact, if you have one that you would like to share, please feel free to share it at the end of this article.  The following are just a few examples that were shared in an editorial in a local newspaper

Have you heard about the little girl who required three stitches over her right eye? The emergency room sent her parents a bill for $1,500 — $500 per stitch (NY Times, Dec. 3). My neighbor recently spent six hours in the emergency room with bleeding from the mouth. He was on a blood thinner, needed several blood tests, and his heart was monitored. His hospital bill came to $22,000. A California man diagnosed with lung cancer chose to fight his cancer aggressively. Eleven months later his widow received a bill exceeding $900,000.

One of the most disturbing trends that we are witnessing all over the nation is something called “drive by doctoring”.  That is where an extra doctor that isn’t even necessary “pops in” to visit patients that are not his or “assists” with a surgery in order to stick the patient with a big, fat extra bill.  The following is from a New York Times article about this disgusting practice…

Before his three-hour neck surgery for herniated disks in December, Peter Drier, 37, signed a pile of consent forms. A bank technology manager who had researched his insurance coverage, Mr. Drier was prepared when the bills started arriving: $56,000 from Lenox Hill Hospital in Manhattan, $4,300 from the anesthesiologist and even $133,000 from his orthopedist, who he knew would accept a fraction of that fee.

He was blindsided, though, by a bill of about $117,000 from an “assistant surgeon,” a Queens-based neurosurgeon whom Mr. Drier did not recall meeting.

How would you like to receive a bill for $117,000 from a doctor that you had never met and that you did not know would be at your surgery?

This is how broken our medical system has become.

And of course this type of abuse is not just happening in New York.  It is literally happening all over the nation

In operating rooms and on hospital wards across the country, physicians and other health providers typically help one another in patient care. But in an increasingly common practice that some medical experts call drive-by doctoring, assistants, consultants and other hospital employees are charging patients or their insurers hefty fees. They may be called in when the need for them is questionable. And patients usually do not realize they have been involved or are charging until the bill arrives.

If you or a close family member has been to the hospital recently, you probably know how astronomical some of these bills can be.

And if you have a chronic, life threatening disease, you can very rapidly end up hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt.

If you doubt this, just check out the following excerpt from an article that appeared in Time Magazine.  One cancer patient out in California ran up nearly a million dollars in hospital bills before he finally died…

By the time Steven D. died at his home in Northern California the following November, he had lived for an additional 11 months. And Alice had collected bills totaling $902,452. The family’s first bill — for $348,000 — which arrived when Steven got home from the Seton Medical Center in Daly City, Calif., was full of all the usual chargemaster profit grabs: $18 each for 88 diabetes-test strips that Amazon sells in boxes of 50 for $27.85; $24 each for 19 niacin pills that are sold in drugstores for about a nickel apiece. There were also four boxes of sterile gauze pads for $77 each. None of that was considered part of what was provided in return for Seton’s facility charge for the intensive-care unit for two days at $13,225 a day, 12 days in the critical unit at $7,315 a day and one day in a standard room (all of which totaled $120,116 over 15 days). There was also $20,886 for CT scans and $24,251 for lab work.

The sad truth is that the U.S. health care system has become all about the money.

A select few are becoming exceedingly wealthy while millions go broke.  One very disturbing study discovered that approximately 41 percent of all working age Americans either have medical bill problems or are currently paying off medical debt.  And collection agencies seek to collect unpaid medical bills from approximately 30 million Americans every single year.

Once upon a time, going into the medical profession was a sacrifice and you did it because you wanted to help people.

Today, it is considered to be a path to riches.

If the U.S. health care system was a separate country, it would actually be the 6th largest economy on the entire planet.  Even though our system is deeply broken, nobody wants to rock the boat because trillions of dollars are at stake.  If it was up to me, I would tear the entire thing down and rebuild it from scratch.

So what about you?  How would you fix our broken health care system?  Please feel free to share your ideas by posting a comment below…

  • kfilly

    Yes, that really sucks. I have a little bit of medical debt that I am about to finish paying off. I went through a subsidiary of Mayo Clinic, and they were very good about allowing me to set up a payment plan with no interest.

    • Marco

      Can you believe the fact that you consider yourself lucky that they didn’t charge you interest on a bill that was 10x greater than it should have been? They have us so disillusioned that we think that it’s nice they aren’t charging inerest on medical bills, meanwhile the other hand was writing the bill for 10x more than it should have been. They do this so you don’t claim medical bankruptcy.

      If you were to breakdown a $10,000 medical bill that they allowed you to pay over 3 years with no interest, in reality it would be a $1,000 medical bill with about 80% annual interest! That is insane!!!

      • kfilly

        I agree with what you said. I live in a city that has two hospitals and all clinics in the area are associated with them with the exception of one clinic. The other hospital charges interest on payments not made in full. Yes, it could have been worse. The one clinic is a community facility. They do not take insurance. An office visit is about $40. This clinic provides limited services as they don’t have a lab, but the price is better than a $300 dollar office visit my former doctor would charge.

  • Rukander

    “Once upon a time, going into the medical profession was a sacrifice and you did it because you wanted to help people.”
    The money is not for the doctor is to the shareholders.

  • T.

    Cleaning the bones of a dying carcass – America.
    Healthcare care ripoff system; wall street ripoff stock market; bank bail-ins soon to ripoff account holders; college student loan debt ripoff graduates with worthless diplomas; Government turns a blind eye to all the fraud and theft by these and many more.
    All are signs and indications of the death rattle of a dying nation.

    • Mike Smithy

      In the not too distant future, look for most people to drop their healthcare insurance due to high premiums and high deductibles. If you are sick, many Americans will seek healthcare by traveling to Mexico. If I had the money, I would open up a nursing home in one of the Mexican border towns.

      • esqualido

        Tell us how you drop Affordable Health Care* (Obamacare) when it has been mandated by law?
        * only what H.L. Mencken called “the great practical jokers of the race” could have concocted that name for the law)

        • Mike Smithy

          Just pay the penalty. It’s cheaper in the long run.

          • scott

            Just tell Hussein Obama to go to Hell.
            He’s not the true president anyway.
            He’s not even qualified to run, much less be the president. He cheated in the most blatant, grossest ways imaginable to get elected. He’s the spawn of Satan.

      • Trololol

        They´ll have to build a wall to keep the Americans in, the criminal activities along the border is the only reason that hasn´t happened yet.

        • MatrixHater

          That is an interesting thought.

      • http://karmaeconomics.blogspot.com/ lavista4u

        If you build anything sane around USA…expect CIA to knock on your door first.

      • none

        Back a while ago there was a case where the family had to
        leave the body in the hospital morgue.
        The hospital collectors had sized all assets and they could not afford to bury him.

        • Luke

          WELKOM TO AMERIKA

        • scott

          I would have left the body with the hospital and told them to eat it.
          This may sound cruel and heartless, but remember: when a person dies, their spirit is no longer in the body. They (the real person) are gone. All that is left is an empty shell (cocoon).

      • http://www.mindbodygreen.com Kim

        I think we need to take our health into our own hands. There is a Chinese saying: “heal thyself”. I believe in Ayurvedic medicine. But then we have Fukushima fallout to deal with. Sooo. Who knows.

      • Luke

        obomber care WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO OPEN UP ANYTHING FOR HEALTH CARE..DUH

    • Trololol

      How long before collection agencies uses convicted felons to do the job?

      • Luke

        PRISONS ARE ALREADY ALLOWING STATE AND CORPORATIONS FREE SLAVE LABOR..

      • Carl Corey

        Why the irrational fear of “convicted felons”? You’ve elected thousands of criminals in suits that have done you more harm then any felon has. Most convicted felons in the United States are not violent offenders, they were just trying to make a living that went against the government tyranny.

        Police and swat teams are doing the job quite nicely, why would they use felons?

        • disq

          Plus the average American commits 3 felonies a day.

          • HiddenMarxist

            I try to average 5, just to keep in shape. lol

    • CensoredSpeech

      Turn a blind eye? Government scum are in the grifters pocket taking their cut!

    • algol2000

      You forgot to add the divorce reap-off supported by “family” laws.

  • Malcolm Reynolds

    charging more than ten times the total cost — or almost $1,200 per $100 of the cost of care.
    Well someone’s gotta pay for all those illegals to use your hospital ER as their healthcare provider.

    • Mike Smithy

      Yep. If I ever get sick and need to go to the hospital, I plan on telling the admissions clerk the following: no hablo inglish.

      • none

        Well put.

      • Demi Monde

        You people are deranged and deluded.

        • CensoredSpeech

          I would say that his was in intelligent response to an insane situation!!

        • Annoyingandlovingit

          That’s why I went MGTOW

    • Gay Veteran

      ok, now I’m REALLY worried, that makes 3 times within the past month that I’ve agreed with Malcolm.
      is it raining cats and dogs?

      • Annoyingandlovingit

        It ain’t raining men!

    • VigilanteCaregiver

      And some of it can be done at home these days. Did my own sutures last year: followed the instructions and used the proper devices and threads – no problem.

      Rugged individualism is cool.

  • K

    The hospitals are ripping us off. The drug companies are ripping us off. The colleges and universities are ripping their students off. And whenever the government is not ripping us off directly. They are helping the other groups, ripping us off. All these groups make Al Capone, look like an amateur.

    • df NJ

      All government is a boondoggle for billionaires. Government by the rich, for the rich, screw the worker.

      • Priszilla

        And the poor are the first to defend the rich when someone says: “tax the rich”

    • Jeff Taylor

      EXACTLY, We are now, officially a fascist county, corporate profits ABOVE ALL. Banking, Insurance, Energy industries all OWN our government.

      • CensoredSpeech

        Insurance has always been a scam!

    • apeiron

      When I was growing up most Americans were content to make a living. Something changed & it now seems that more think they have to make a killing.

      • df NJ

        When I was growing up my parent’s take home pay had a much greater purchasing power. I blame wage inflation being way less than other inflations. Unless we have total economic collapse, I don’t think we are going to see any real increase in wages.

      • Carl Corey

        Americans haven’t been able to make a decent living since the early 60’s. Our dollar (which used to be worth…get this…a dollar) is now only worth about four cents! Thank your congress for allowing the central bankers to take over the nations monetary system.

        The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 is responsible for our permanent descent into the red. Until Americans figure out that fractional reserve banking is a huge scam things will continue to devolve into madness. We don’t even use real money! Our “dollars” are debt instruments, created out of debt.

        It is mathematically impossible to pay off the debt. The whole system is a pyramid scam. Get rid of the central banks, forgive all current debts and our 18 trillion goes away over night.

    • Pic889

      Nobody forces you to attend a university in the US. There are English-speaking universities in other countries.

      But when it comes to hospitals, it’s an unregulated natural monopoly. If you get into a car crash and get injured, they don’t ask you where you want to go to be treated (you might not even be consious). They rush you to the nearest hospital. Which means that the hospital has a natural monopoly on patients in need of immediate care that are in it’s radius.

      PS: The patient who chose to fight cancer in a US hospitals was crazy. Couldn’t he go to some other country? Even if it meant he and his wife quiting their jobs, they would still have a smaller loss.

      • jerry

        Or just eat the inner seed of the apricot pit. I tried it and it worked for me. Now I eat them as a preventative measure. Vitamin B-17! (some people argue that this is not a real vitamin … my response is Shakespearean in nature: A vitamin, by any other name, would work as well. ~Romeo and Juliet)

        • SunnyFlaSnotress

          I still haven’t taken that sugery I was told I absolutely needed 12 years ago.. ::smile::
          I won’t pin my good fortunes on apricot pits , but I have downed a number of them since then.

    • Priszilla

      Capitalism is about maximising profits.

    • Dale Graley

      great points

    • Mondobeyondo

      The entire country is starting to look like one big ripoff.

  • GSOB

    These costs will drive most people to become their own doctors and nurses as much as possible.

  • Liberty First

    I used to be absolutely pro-doctor. As a lawyer, I despised plaintiff’s suits – and the truth is, there were many that should never have been filed. But things have changed. Physicians no longer have the relationships that they had with patients, and far too many see us as walking dollar signs to be milked.

    Fraudulent billing should be treated as such. If you or I did the things that doctors do (no lawyer jokes, please; yes, I realize many attorneys pull this nonsense as well), we would have a criminal record in no time.

    This is sick. This is vile. It has to stop.

    And Obamacare, with its insanely high deductibles and bureaucratic nightmare, makes the problem far, far worse.

    • jaxon64

      Don’t be confused–the money is not going to the doctors and most nurses are so overworked and stretched thin that the quality of care is hurting.
      I know nurses at hospitals regularly pulling 14 to 18 hour shifts–and at nursing homes you may have 1 aide for every 10 beds and 1 charge nurse for a wing of 30 patients.
      It is sad but highly intelligent and educated professionals with doctorates in specialties- or masters in fields such as PT, hematology, nursing, histology, radiology etc etc–these people are being bullied and treated like peasants by hospital and medical billing bureaucrats with bachelors in management or billing services…it is insane.
      Very few of the doctors are the one’s getting rich off of our broken system–each of the Management companies has layers and layers of management. Our local hospital has FIFTY VP’s ( I kid you not)–operations, marketing, media, HR, personnel, billing, accounts- etc ad nauseum—THIS is where the money goes!!
      And should it surprise you in America that the vast amount of funds flow toward those who don’t actually produce or provide the services?????

      • flautistmaniac

        I worked nights as a CNA in a nursing home, 17 rooms, working all the call lights and administering drugs by myself and cooking for the next day. I got my $7 an hour though to pay my $6,000 hospital bill from having a baby! Life is so wonderful!

        • T.

          That is just terrible. America is gone, sadly and has been plunging downward for at least 15 years now.

    • algol2000

      How many of these doctors are female? When the population of the doctors was mostly male, the situation was much better. Watch out, every sector that feminism attacks becomes like this. The focus becomes money. For lipsticks, shoes and handbags. Collectivism is a very bad concept.

      • Gay Veteran

        don’t get many dates, eh

        • algol2000

          I don’t need “dates”. I am happily married.

        • Annoyingandlovingit

          You should talk, pedo!

          • Gay Veteran

            thanks for contributing to the conversation about hospitals

          • Annoyingandlovingit

            For your previous comments here: thanks for contributing to the conversation about hospitals

          • Gay Veteran

            thanks for contributing to the conversation about hospitals…

          • Annoyingandlovingit

            thanks for contributing to the conversation about hospitals…

          • Annoyingandlovingit

            If someone pretends to be gay for the fun of tormenting people under media protection, and there’s no way to prove someones gay without pics of the act, is that the same as blackface, or is it jus t proof that your lifestyle and beliefs is a lie?

          • Gay Veteran

            thanks for contributing to the conversation about hospitals…..

          • Annoyingandlovingit

            thanks for contributing to the conversation about hospitals…..

          • Demi Monde

            There’s no use trying to converse with that troll.

          • Annoyingandlovingit

            Says one troll to another. You and gay troll here: I’m just pissing you off for fun.

          • Demi Monde

            What is wrong with you??? Were you repeatedly dropped on your head as a baby?

          • Annoyingandlovingit

            Feminist

          • Demi Monde

            Is that supposed to be an insult? Lofl!

          • Annoyingandlovingit

            Yes – duh! MGTOW will end feminazi’s.

          • PB

            Wait…what? Do you want pics then? Just go to Google images, pick some words and turn safe search off. Its that easy.

          • Annoyingandlovingit

            Stupid

          • Annoyingandlovingit

            thanks for contributing to the conversation about hospitals….

      • Demi Monde

        F*cking *sshole troll misogynist. Here’s hoping you get hit by a very overtired female doctor on her way home after saving your POS *sshole relative.

        • algol2000

          Yes, that’s what they said before Rome collapsed under the weight of feminism.

          • Demi Monde

            You are mentally deficient. There is no helping or saving you. Just snap your bubba gum and try not to inflict too much stupidity on the world.

          • algol2000

            Same here, feminist.

          • Annoyingandlovingit

            You are mentally deficient. There is no helping or saving you. Just keep abusing men and children, and tkeep inflicting too much stupidity on the world.

          • CensoredSpeech

            As in Al Gore 2000? That explains the out of touch with reality responses!

          • algol2000

            Yes, Al Gore 2000, they did fool you, didn’t they?

        • Gay Veteran

          indeed!

          • Annoyingandlovingit

            Gay feminist

        • Annoyingandlovingit

          MGTOW right here, man-hating feminist.

      • Liberty First

        I think affirmative action in general has decreased the quality of our physicians.

  • GSOB

    Didn’t Christ Kingdom Begin before the Crucifixion?

    If I cast down devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you (Matthew 12:28).

    “But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you” (Luke 11:20).

    • GSOB

      Questionable Answer:

      “The kingdom began with Jesus’ ministry. But this kingdom was interrupted with His crucifixion. The kingdom which operated today is a spiritual kingdom only, not the external, civil kingdom which was prophesied in the Old Testament.”

      • GSOB

        My reply:

        When He demonstrated the advent of His kingdom by casting out devils,

        Christ simultaneously proclaimed the defeat of Satan and the advent of His worldwide kingdom.

        From that point on, Satan was on the defensive.

        He still is.

  • Duh

    What else is new?

    • GSOB

      Satan now occupies land as a squatter.

      Where God’s word is rejected as the proper way of life, for whatever reason, there we find a form of demonic influence.

  • df NJ

    Too bad you can’t shop around for a better price when you are on your death bed.

    • nobody

      You can, eastern european private hospitals are at least 5 times cheaper and just as good, if not even more.

  • df NJ

    For a five day stay back in 2011 the Jersey City hospital charged my insurance company $240,000. It was more money than I could ever possibly save in my lifetime. I am very thankful the doctors saved my life. But at the same time, something is very wrong. At the time it was not like I could say, “stop, you are charging too much, I want to shop around.” I was too busy dying!

    • GSOB

      You are worth every penny of it.

      • df NJ

        LOL!

      • Mondobeyondo

        That might cost you an arm and a leg.

  • GetReal4U2

    but i thought obummer care was going to make health care “affordable” by all…get ready…September approaches quickly…

    • df NJ

      My healthcare insurance rates have gone up 3 times inflation each year for the last 25 years. We had double digit percentage gains three years leading up to the ACA. How much have rates gone up since? Democrats wanted single payer. All they got was you can’t be denied because of pre-existing conditions. What do you expect a 50% reduction in healthcare rates and then you would start voting Democrat?

      • Jeff Taylor

        BOTH Parties are EQUALLY corrupt and until people face that fact, the ABSOLUTE CIRCUS and DOWNFALL of the US will continue,

        • Gay Veteran

          amen

      • Gay Veteran

        “…Democrats wanted single payer….”

        that’s what they SAID

        democrats=republicans

    • Mike Smithy

      Obamacare premiums are expected to rise 39% this year in Kansas and 34% this year in Missouri. I am anxious to hear how SCOTUS is going to rule on Obamacare next month.

      • df NJ

        Then it will be cheaper to pay the tax penalty.

        • Mike Smithy

          Yep. Look for most people to opt out of health insurance all together and pay the penalty.

          • df NJ

            When they go to the emergency room then who pays?

          • Mike Smithy

            Let the hospitals eat the loss? Let Obama write a check. At this juncture what difference does it make. The national debt is over 18 trillion dollars and the fate of our children, grandchildren and great grandchildren is already sealed.

          • Canuck Brother’s Keeper

            yeah, your debt is ridiculously larger per capita than our’s here in canada despite the fact that our health care is free. how come it hasn’t destroyed our country? the fact is you’ve wasted trilliions on your military conquests, cut that, not obamacare.

          • df NJ

            O Canada!
            Our home and native land!
            True patriot love in all thy sons command.

            With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
            The True North strong and free!

            From far and wide,
            O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

            God keep our land glorious and free!
            O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

            O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

          • df NJ

            Do you think our 800+ foreign military bases in 130 countries around the World costing $500 billion per year may be too much?

          • Gay Veteran

            cut boththe fact is you’ve wasted trilliions on your military conquests, cut that, not obamacare.”

            cut both

          • A Friend

            Absolutely. We here paid the penalty instead of buying on the exchange. I’m looking for more people in the future to wise up and do the same.

        • frankensteingovernment

          It already is. I paid 352.00 last year, maybe 600 this yr.

    • Gay Veteran

      approaches quickly

  • GSOB

    Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers and elders of the people, if we are on trial today for a benefit done to a sick man, as to how this man has been made well, let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead– by this name this man stands here before you in good health.…

    • nobody

      Strangely this won’t limit the bill in any way, just at best shift it to the undertaker.

  • df NJ

    Anyone have any big ideas on how we can get hospitals to stop gouging the consumer with or without big government intervention?

    • nobody

      Without big government intervention it’s impossible, since greed will overcome all the efforts to contain it.

    • Gay Veteran

      Have every aspect of the medial field (insurance companies, doctors, hospitals, drug companies, etc.) covered by anti-monopoly laws.
      Libertarian Karl Denninger has shown that would reduce medical costs by 80%!!!

  • durango

    I got diagnosed with severe diabetes and a major heart attack 3. Months ago by specialists in a hospital. It is the strangest heart disease I’ve ever heard of. No chest pains, no shortness of breath, I’ve never felt fitter in my life. My own doctor can’t find a trace of diabetes either. Go figure.

    • Vindictive American!

      I have had a similar, possibly more dangerous disease that still has not been diagnosed! In the past three months I have lost 60 pounds and had chest pains! Stool was changing! Went to the doctors and the keep running the same test and now I have bills in the tens of thousands just for simple blood test! It’s outragous the cost of healthcare and the quality of healthcare! I blame it on corporate wanting massive profits! It could be anything though!

      • Mike Smithy

        Many of these worthless tests are the result of doctors practicing defensive medicine. If the American people want real reform in healthcare they should opt for the following: Tort reform, transportability of health insurance across state lines and increase capacity in terms of more doctors and more nurses.

        • Gay Veteran

          right after we get an independent board that will strip the medical license from incompetent doctors

      • durango

        Sounds like you’ve been taking statins. They’ll do all that to you. The side effects can be horrendous. If people checked the side effects of the drugs they are taking they would save a fortune in medical bills.

  • Ex Deo

    This is absolutely true!! I have witnessed this first hand when a family member was hospitalized for 4 days when a driver make a left turn in front of her and she T-boned the vehicle. She fractured her arm from the airbag deploying and required surgery to put a metal plate and pins. The bill was over $100,000. The ambulance bill was $2,200. She hired an attorney and sued the other driver who was at fault. Unfortunately the driver had only basic coverage with uninsured motorist. Between the vulture lawyer’s fee of 35% and the hospital bills, she was standing in the red. The attorney managed to work out a deal with the hospital to accept half of the original bill. That’s when I become suspicious and began asking questions. If the bill was $100K and they plea bargained to $50K. How come that couldn’t be the bill from the get go? Why did it have to be that high. No one takes a 50 % discount on something unless it cost much less. We are surrounded by thieves, crooks, liars and cheats. They have infiltrated every thread of America from Police Departments, politics, doctors, lawyers, to priests, teachers and financiers. The whole system is so corrupt and tyrannical. Much to our fate, Rome collapsed because of massive corruption and tyranny when it became deeply in debt and debased the currency.

    • CensoredSpeech

      You have an excellent understanding of the situation, it appears!

    • Truth

      So the “vulture” lawyer saved the injured party $50,000 dollars in medical bills and got the injured party 65%of what she was due from the tortfeasor’s liability insurance, right? Do you even know how much the lawyer collected as a fee? Based on the 35% fee stated, for every dollar the lawyer collected as a fee the client got approximately two dollars in addition to the $50,000 in savings in medical expenses. Did she expect the lawyer to work for free? The lawyer apparently represented his client on a contingent fee basis which means if the “vulture” lawyer didn’t get results the client would owe the lawyer nothing. In other words the lawyer invested his or her time and money in the case and took a gamble on the client’s case. When you gamble your time and money don’t you expect a payoff if you win?

      • more truth

        Perhaps the client should have obtained a 4 year undergraduate college degree, went to 3 years of law school, passed the bar exam, established a law office and paid for her own secretary, office space, office supplies, legal library and malpractice insurance and then she could have saved a bunch of money on her attorney’s fees.

  • Guest

    from one nurse who worked 12 years in the system, but recently left, it’s a very broken system. It needs a major overhaul that makes ACA look like a minimal change!
    Good luck America!

  • watchmanonthetower

    Speaking of hospitals; on which floor at which hospital can US Secretary of State John Kerry currently be found?

    Basement…?

    ~W

    • Guest

      No. You can be sure that he received the best treatment available, courtesy of the U.S. taxpayer.

      • watchmanonthetower

        Well, that’s where we started; it’s a given; assumed, obviously…
        But that wasn’t our point…
        ~W

  • Canuck Brother’s Keeper

    Medical care should be free for everyone but it looks like your system needs some controls to prevent this kind of abuse. In Canada, our citizens don’t mind paying extra taxes for universal health care. It’s not perfect, but it will never bankrupt us for extended care…just sayin’

    • http://karmaeconomics.blogspot.com/ lavista4u

      Canada is controlled by the same forces…They are screwing Canadians with something else…

      • Demi Monde

        What?

  • alan

    I have a friend thats a doctor and he said he is about to quit. He said he has been an training to learn how to bill procedures for the insurance companies. He said it is unbelievable!

    Then we will all get new African and Pakistani doctors!

    What we will end up with is black market doctors. Call this number and this guy will stop by and check you out. Then pay in cash “silver or gold if its serious”.

  • tom

    I live on Long Island, NY and have noticed many Pro-Health, Stat Health, and PM Pediatric facilities opening. They are basically walk in clinics that circumvent the whole ER situation. I have gone for get stitches, players on my soccer team have gone for injuries they received in games. Your waiting time is much faster and you receive the same treatment as a hospital ER for a lower cost.
    I have gone to my local hospital ER in the past and had very long waits. One thing I have noticed is that many illegal immigrants utilize the hospital as their “doctor”. This is a very inefficient use of the hospital and also drives up the costs.

  • El mico

    When you deregulate and privatize anything it becomes all about the profit.

    You have the health care system you voted for.

  • Bob

    The word for this is exploitation. Pharmacies pay 1/1000 of a cent for an aspirin tablet, but charge patients $4.00 a tablet. This explains why pharmacists graduating from pharmacy school receive an $80,000 starting salary with no experience. Everyone pays for this with higher health insurance rates. In the end, not only will the person suffer, but eventually the exploiter will lead to its own destruction.

  • XSANDIEGOCA

    My wife went into the hospital for an overnight stay. A vast array of tests were ordered. Nothing was wrong. The bill was over 33K or roughly 1000/hour. Again, nothing was wrong! Middle Class people can not deal with this. Fortunately, insurance and medicare covered it BUT…how long can this last? Medicare is heading for bankruptcy but why should that surprise us. Our national debt exceeds our annual income, the traditional threshold of BK. The hoards of New Arrivals surge across the border and show up in the ERs. How do you think their bills are paid? What can we do? Stay healthy. Exercise. I am not flacking for the Mormons here but they have a saying, “Your body is a temple. Treat it as such.” Good advice. As a group, the Mormons are among the healthiest. Give up the booze, the drugs, the smokes and all the addictions that our society overlooks to keep the slaves..er, workers cranking on. Exercise portion control at the table. Frankly, you can not afford to get sick anymore. Hospitals are the last resort. If you can get by with a visit to a walk in clinic, do so. You also may want to visit your attorney before you go into a hospital and have a plan in hand on what to do when those six figure bills come in the mail box. When it comes to Medical Care in America, the best defense is a great offense.

    • Genada

      The best choice is to go a hospital they do not know you at and claim to be a illegal alien.

      Never give your real name, date of birth or ss number. Get better and disappear in the middle of the night.

      • XSANDIEGOCA

        This is a case where having an alternative ID makes good sense.

    • Gay Veteran

      give up carbohydrates (sugars)

      • XSANDIEGOCA

        Absolutely.

      • Annoyingandlovingit

        Give up raping little boys

        • VigilanteCaregiver

          DUDE! The guy has a lot of personal issues and is quite irritating, but come on! Show some civility, at least!

          • Annoyingandlovingit

            Shut up!

        • PB

          As I said. Google Images, safe search off, and the butt-related words of your choice. Enjoy.

          • Annoyingandlovingit

            You can’t read, can you?

        • lolzurfunny

          The sodomy soldier ought to go gaytow.
          The stretched rec tum ought to just hobble off into the sunset.

          • Annoyingandlovingit

            Yes, he should

    • flautistmaniac

      The problem with us Mormons is we are sugar addicts. :( Ice cream, anyone?

      • VigilanteCaregiver

        I didn’t know there were other Mormons here!

        Wife and I cut back on the sugar: and we lost A LOT of weight.

    • VigilanteCaregiver

      I’m Mormon and can verify this.

  • Stephen Taylor

    Recently I had a blackout in Thailand while on a trip to the coast. They called an ambulance from the nearest Thai government hospital about 20-minutes drive away, which came with a couple of medics. They hooked me up to an IV drip and took a blood sample. I stayed at the emergency unit of the hospital for a couple of hours for EKG tests etc, after which I recovered sufficiently to convince the doctor to let me leave. Total cost including the ambulance was about $50. How much would that cost in the the States?

    • http://karmaeconomics.blogspot.com/ lavista4u

      Yeah.Thailand has medical care that could be called HUMAN….

    • Genada

      I had one trip in a ambulance for a allergic reaction. The bill came out to about 3000 for just that and then for treatment about 4000 so the total bill was about 7000.

    • Cdn rn

      In Canada it’s about $50 flat rate…and so many of my fellow Canadians complain about that! I guess it’s all relative. The problem is some don’t know how good we have it here…just want to complain and complain. It’s not perfect but nominee complains when they get fixed and never get a bill in he mail! And doc’s here generally do what’s best for the pt, not what best for their wallet!

  • Patriot Alice

    I’ve been there, it’s down right criminal what they are getting away with, and it didn’t just start either, this has been going on for decades.

  • Steve

    My personal story from earlier this year. I was suddenly stricken with an aortic dissection and taken first to the nearby emergency room. I spent two hours there, at which time the problem was found. Charge: $28,000, including 20,000 for a single CAT scan. The physician’s charges were separate, another $2,500 for a total of 5 minutes of time, during which he did nothing but tell me the results. After that, up to the hospital for surgery. Hospital bill for 3 full days and part of the discharge day: $162,000. Physician’s fees for a 4 hour operation: $30,000. Two ambulance charges: $3,000. No medical services were administered. The ride home in a cab on the fourth day: $50.
    You couldn’t be more correct, Michael.

    • Guest

      Wow. I’m glad you survived. An aortic dissection is a very serious matter.

  • DJohn1

    When your local doctor is a thief what do you do?
    When an entire industry are thieves what do you do?
    We all get sick over a lifetime. We are all potential victims.
    One answer has been medical liability rates as doctors are sued.
    That is one reason for the charges.
    Another reason is the huge overhead of patients that do not pay or will not pay or cannot pay.
    The American Medical system is a bad joke.
    It isn’t even rated the best in the world for the money.
    What is worse is that not everyone pays the same.
    IF you are on welfare, you have care source and other programs to go to.
    These government programs pay the bills IF you have no money. And that can amount to a lot of money spent on your behalf.
    So we actually have two thieving outfits going on here.
    One robs you of everything you own while you are sick and vulnerable.
    The other robs you by restricting your ability to earn money to pay it back. There are ceilings on wages earned to qualify for help.
    This second industry is as bad as a cancer on our economy.
    We often work our entire lives, save money, buy a house, buy a car, and then at the end of our lives, in the winter of our lives everything you have ever saved or ever earned is taken away by a communistic law put forth by our Congress.
    Nursing homes are especially bad. If you were not broke going in, you will be. Most likely you will leave only when you breathe your last breath.
    Then there is medical by law. If in the 1700s we had this kind of law, the only way to treat a patient would be to put leeches on them and bleed them to death. To do otherwise would take away your license to be a doctor.
    The current version is Chemotherapy. It is years old. It is not very effective percentage wise at curing anything. It leaves you bald.
    Medical science has been very bad about new ways to cure cash cow illnesses.
    Does anyone else find that suspicious?
    This cash cow business is world wide.
    In New Zealand last year a hospital refused to treat a patient with Vitamins C and D in the case of a bad flu. The patient was on his deathbed over this. The family went to a lawyer to get him treated. He recovered after a massive dose of both vitamins was effective in treating the disease. The hospital was still reluctant to continue a successful treatment. And this is under social medicine yet.
    Why? Look at the money involved if that was known which it became known by the media.
    We still treat type two diabetes by puncturing the skin taking blood and testing it with one dollar test strips. The method is over 50 years old.
    Yet we have many devices capable of doing the same thing with no puncture of the skin and probably without spending an enormous sum of money.
    One involves placing something under the skin to monitor sugars 24/7.
    A secondary device about the size of a credit card keeps track and sets off alarms if something is wrong.
    It is not on the market as far as I know and if it were it wouldn’t get coverage with medical insurance.
    Cash cow illness is big business. If someone finds a cure for a disease and it is a cash cow I guarantee you they will lose their license to practice medicine.
    I suggest further a cure for cancer that is inexpensive and easy to administer would have the same thieves contracting a hit on them.

  • stephen hill

    There has to be a legislative change that forces hospitals to provide transparency in their billing and gives the patentee the right to contest bills that are excessive. I went in for a minor emergency check-up in a hospital, was seen by a nurse practitioner and ended up with a $4,500 bill. I paid very little of it.

  • df NJ

    Corporate fascism rules. The hospitals are our masters! Seig Heil!

    “For too many of us the political equality we once had won was meaningless in the face of economic inequality. A small group had concentrated into their own hands an almost complete control over other people’s property, other people’s money, other people’s labor – other people’s lives. For too many of us life was no longer free; liberty no longer real; men could no longer follow the pursuit of happiness.

    Against economic tyranny such as this, the American citizen could appeal only to the organized power of government.”

  • df NJ

    No loyalty to the workers. Exploit the consumers. Corporate fascism rules! Suck it America! Your century is over.

  • Rick

    This cannot be true because we now have Obamacare. This is the “Affordable Care Act”. It was written by insurance company executives, who I highly doubt would ever try to rig things in their favor. So I’m sure the patients who are receiving these large bills either forgot to sign up for Obamacare, or have forgotten to send those bills to their ObamaCare insurance companies.

    • df NJ

      Democrats wanted single payer. They did not get it. Maybe it’s time to nationalize all the hospitals. Obviously the free market is not working.

      • Gay Veteran

        “Democrats wanted single payer….”

        ROFLOL, democrats=republicans

  • df NJ

    What is wrong with our country? It’s like our government has been taken over by foreign interests. Do you think our 800+ foreign military bases in 130 countries around the World costing $500 billion per year may be too much?

    • Gay Veteran

      no war profits without war

      hey! look over there! terrorists! now you peasants pay your taxes because we have a military-industrial-surveillance complex to pay for

      • Annoyingandlovingit

        So thats why you like death, baby killer! How many unwanted babies have you adopted? None – you prefer them dead.

    • tacoma

      U.S. played a large role winning WW2, and along with its various liberty and freer economy, reaped tremendous wealth and benefits from a war-torn world. Vast immigration of millions of the world’s best people helped built a scientific and technological wonderhouse. But big success draws hubris. From isolationism pre-WW2 the U.S. government, however, changed world view and conducts the exact opposite policy. Global dominance on everything, especially the dollar. What’s wrong? It is the result of way too many wars, way too big a military, way too many foreign interventions, a direct cause of 9/11. Way too reckless economic and monetary policies. All these wrongs trickle down to the balance sheet and the government refused to pay by tax hike. So the it borrows and inflates (depreciate) the dollar to the tune of trillions. A recklessness that surpass Zimbabwe. Today all kinds of things blow up and the middle class and poor class take most of the hits. Because of another policy that favors the rich way too much. I have news for you. Nothing has changed, everybody holding on to their sacred cows.

      To cite the latest example, the Pentagon who just spent $14 billion on the newest carrier now on sea trial, now wants to replace its fleet of Ohio class ICMB subs. You know, the big boomers designed to finish off a country with a push of a button. Never mind today there are two big countries – Russia and China – who can do same to America. So you will see the generals and politicians announcing yet another axis of evil (or terrorist) in Russia and China hell bent on destroying the U.S., and thus funding $100 billion for Ohio class sub replacement is essential for survival. The money will come from debt and inflation. This is to hide the two real global terror – U.S. government and Wall Street.

      • Gay Veteran

        amen!

  • df NJ

    “We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

    Republicans hate Democrats. Democrats hate Republicans.

    1. No union, check

    Two justice systems. One for the rich. One for people in poverty.

    2. No justice, check

    Baltimore, Jade Helm

    3. No domestic tranquility, check

    800+ foreign military bases in 130 countries, 9/11 jet attacks

    4. No domestic defense, check

    Huge increases in poverty and the working poor

    5. Eff communism, destroy the general welfare, check

    Majority of Americans living under economic slavery

    6. No liberty except for the chosen few, check

    Saddle the next two generations with the greatest possible achievable debt.

    7. Screw our posterity, check

    Did I miss anything?

    • Gay Veteran

      good points.

      I agree with Gerald Celente:
      bring the troops home
      seal the borders
      rebuild America
      NO foreign entanglements

      • df NJ

        If only we were not slaves to Israel foreign policy.

        • Gay Veteran

          oh my, now you’re going to get it from the bible thumpers

          • Annoyingandlovingit

            Naw, just me you Jew-hater

          • Gay Veteran

            thanks for contributing to the conversation about hospitals.

          • Annoyingandlovingit

            Nice try, Anti-American baby killing pedo. Did you ever find evidence that gay marriage is legitimate and good for everyone?

          • Gay Veteran

            thanks for contributing to the conversation about hospitals..

          • Annoyingandlovingit

            thanks for contributing to the conversation about hospitals..

        • Guest

          Ever heard that sometimes the only way to make yourself look stupid is to start talking? Nothing is more comical than an uninformed individual attempting to make a serious point. stop watching CNN and simply spewing the media’s “facts” on the internet now. If you really understood the Israeli connection to america you probably would have thought twice about your post…you would have realized how ignorant you are.
          I would have respected your comment more if you had simply just said you hate Israel, but saying you hate them, in a roundabout way, with and ignorant ill-informed post is just pathetic.

          • Gay Veteran

            OUR tax dollars need to same HERE, no foreign aid to anyone!

  • Gay Veteran

    There is a very simple solution. Have every aspect of the medial field (insurance companies, doctors, hospitals, drug companies, etc.) covered by anti-monopoly laws.
    Libertarian Karl Denninger has shown that would reduce medical costs by 80%!!!

    • Demi Monde

      What you mean is anti-trust laws. And I agree.

    • RageHard84

      I’m surprised to find myself agreeing with you more.

    • Annoyingandlovingit

      Anti-captialist

      • Gay Veteran

        thanks for contributing to the conversation about hospitals…..

        • Annoyingandlovingit

          thanks for contributing to the conversation about hospitals…….

  • Chuck

    My 3rd daughter was born in late 2013. The cost of my first 2 daughters 12 and 14 years ago came in at at about $23K each with $2K out of pocket. That was back in 2001 and 2003. This time around the final tab came in at $53K with $10K out of pocket. No we did not have our daughter delivered at Disneyland in Orlando with a Princess breakfast and express passes to Space Mountain but that is how we were billed.Then they hammered us with surveys wanting us to give them good ratings. Uhh no thanks. BTW-Have vacations changed much? I haven’t taken one in 3 years.

    • df NJ

      You would think with what the Hospitals are charging it would include several Space Mountain rides. Good point!

    • jaxon64

      My 2 daughters were delivered at home with a midwife ( the same midwife who delivers the babies of the Amish in our community.)
      Paid a few hundred-TOTAL…no fuss, no muss. Women gave birth for thousands of years in their homes–why does it seem odd to people to just set up a birthing area in your home and let nature take its course?

      • flautistmaniac

        Illegal in my state (NC) or I would totally do it.

  • greanfinisher .

    The doctors and hospitals nowadays have degenerated into a den of thieves.

    • algol2000

      Yes, this is what happens with too many wo(hum)men rights advocates masquerading as medical professionals. You get three female doctors to do the work of one man, and they charge accordingly, through collectivist channels such as obamacare and “medical insurance”. Ye cannot insure the future, only the present. In God.

      There are many ways to become a slave, and “medical insurance” is one of them. Plus all those chemtrails and GMO’s causing diseases, insuring that the insurers will have their “customers”.

      If you want to live a full and productive life, check out of the USA and come and buy acres of farmland in Africa. Live a clean and productive life rearing goats and sheep.

      • df NJ

        Canada and Costa Rica look inviting. Belize too.

        • tacoma

          Reading my local upstate NY newspaper I read the story of a Syracuse family doctor. Last month she sold everything and moved to a small city Ontario, Canada about 150 mi north of Toronto. Interviewed by the local news she said she just couldn’t take it anymore practicing in Syracuse. She spent 50% of her time fighting insurance to get paid, often paid less than half of claims, and had to ask her patients to pay the rest. Most of her patients just don’t have the money and started bagging and crying. She can’t pay her own bills. The stress was too much. It took her 3 years to get the immigration approved and she is a qualified doctor. She is so so happy today.

      • Gay Veteran

        take your bigotry elsewhere troll

        • algol2000

          I am proud to be a bigoted troll. I am going to stay to tick off people like you.

          • Gay Veteran

            darling, you don’t tick me off, I just feel sorry for you

          • algol2000

            I am not your “darling”, pervert.

          • Gay Veteran

            awwwwww, troll has his panties in a bunch

          • Annoyingandlovingit

            And I though you liked little boys pedo

          • Annoyingandlovingit

            You don’t feel normal feelings

          • Annoyingandlovingit

            HA HA! Do it!

        • Annoyingandlovingit

          you take your bigotry elsewhere troll

          • Gay Veteran

            thanks for contributing to the conversation about hospitals……

          • Annoyingandlovingit

            thanks for contributing to the conversation about hospitals……

  • Martin

    Today I needed to visit an eye specialist to have a small chip of steel removed from my eye.
    It took about 10 minutes and I have paid $25 on the spot.
    Thanks God that I live in Poland.
    My friend who lives in US was charged about a year ago for similar service $3500

    • df NJ

      I was at the ear doctor and he said he would measure my hearing. So he walks me over to another part of his office and sits me down with one of those tone machines. I put on the headphones and start raising and lowing my arms. The whole test took about 15 minutes. A few days later the doctor call me up and says I owe $600 because my insurance refused to pay. So I called the insurance company and they said I needed pre-authorization for the test. I said how could I possibly know I walked 20 feet from one part of the doctor’s office to the other. I ended up paying the $600 because I did not want it to prevent me from getting a job because a credit search would show I did not pay the bill. What a scam.

  • Jon Geissinger

    3 party healthcare. This is the root cause.

  • Billzo

    I read the hospital study and was disappointed that the ‘top 50′ hospitals were not listed. States were listed, but not the actual hospitals. I live in one of the states mentioned (Arkansas) and would like to avoid the ‘over-priced’ medical providers if I have a choice.
    On that same subject, the ACA has done little/nothing to address medical costs. This policy has given hospitals and insurance companies a winning lotto ticket. They can charge whatever they want and will be paid. If the insurance company pays a great deal (+$50,000), the gov’t (taxpayers) will bail them out. It’s a win-win for both the insurance company and the hospital. And………as usual, we get the screws put to us again.

  • krinks

    Tell the whole truth. Go to a Hospital and look around. There is no janitorial charge on your bill and yet everything is clean. There is no Pharmacy Order Process and Delivery charge on your bill and yet everything ordered is processed and delivered. Then we have the fact that they do a lot of what they do to keep the Ambulance Chasers at bay. Liability Insurance on a single Physician can cost $200K PER YEAR. When the Hospital employs the Physicians where do you suppose the cost to cover that comes from?

    • df NJ

      Then you will have no problem with legislation having the hospitals make their books public for analysis. If they are not gouging the consumer they have nothing to hide.

      • krinks

        They already do.

    • jack

      You must work for a hospital system. I think the bulk of money really goes toward paying the bloated salaries of administrators NOT janitorial staff and no delivery charge for pharmacy meds is just BS as they have the pharmacy and meds onsite.

      Plus why the heck should I pay for my doctors liability insurance? That my friend is their cost for doing business not mine. Besides these policies would not be so high if so many doctors and hospitals did not make so many serious mistakes on patients.

      • krinks

        Sorry but you add up everything the Hospital takes in, subtract what it puts out, and if there is no money left they go out of business.
        I am a low level employee in a nationally ranked Hospital System. I’ve paid attention is all.
        People who write articles like this want to generate some cheap public outrage over an issue very few understand.

        • jack

          So it’s right for these hospitals to charge 1000% more to an uninsured person for a procedure? It is not OK. Nor is it OK that drive by doctoring to inflate bills is practiced. Nor is it OK that a person can go to 3 different hospitals for the same procedure and be charged 3 different rates. What is the point of being able to heal the sick if people cannot afford to be healed?

          So how many hospitals have gone out of business because of non-payment.
          Not too many I assure you because it would be all over the news.

          When I am old I will commit suicide rather than live in a nursing home, wearing diapers and drinking pureed meat. I do not understand why people want to prolong their lives when it is a misery. Part of that blame falls on the church and christian culture that has infected america for generations I suppose. For a christian nation we sure the heck are afraid of dying.

          • Gay Veteran

            it is illegal for an auto mechanic to charge differently for different people, but then we have monopolies in the medical field that have bought off the politicians

          • jack

            Yes ironic isn’t it. However, auto mechanics charge you not only for labor but they also mark up the parts 2-3 times what they paid for them. I only learned that last year. Seems like everyone is in it for something in every field. It can get to be sickening if you think about all the things wrong with people and how they don’t mind screwing over someone else, but raise holy hell when it is done to them.

        • flautistmaniac

          The problem is insurance. It allows hospitals to buy equipment but then the price never falls like it does in the free market. Compare the price of computers in the 70s to today, the price of healthcare should have fallen but insurance has kept it high.

    • Gay Veteran

      WRONG, libertarian Karl Denninger has shown that you can cut medical costs by up to 80% by applying anti-monopoly laws to every aspect of the medical field.

      There is a hospital in Oklahoma that does NOT accept insurance, they charge 80% less than other hospitals

      • krinks

        Liar as usual.

        • Gay Veteran

          too stoopid to check it out yourself at Karl Denninger’s website market ticker, eh

        • Gay Veteran

          found this in 2 minutes on Karl Denninger’s website:

          No Kidding? Stan Sees The Problem?*
          5/21/15

          “…If we broke up those cartels and both Health Care and Health Insurance were returned to being a competitive market the share of the economy would shrink from $3.23 trillion to about $640 billion a year.

          Now let’s think this one through — there are 330 million people, roughly, in the nation today. At $640 billion total per-person expense on medical care would drop to approximately $2,000 per-person from the $10,000 per-person spent today….”

          • krinks

            You can have quality health care.
            You can have affordable heath care.
            You can have available health care.
            YOU CAN’T HAVE ALL THREE.
            Anyone who doesn’t understand this doesn’t understand health care economics. Plain and simple. I’ve been on the “inside” of this issue since June 1987. I know.

          • Gay Veteran

            well if you say so then it MUST be true!

            that is, IF you ignore the evidence:

            Karl Denninger’s website:

            No Kidding? Stan Sees The Problem?*
            5/21/15

            “…If we broke up those cartels and both Health Care and Health Insurance were returned to being a competitive market the share of the economy would shrink from $3.23 trillion to about $640 billion a year.

            Now let’s think this one through — there are 330 million people, roughly, in the nation today. At $640 billion total per-person expense on medical care would drop to approximately $2,000 per-person from the $10,000 per-person spent today….”

          • krinks

            You can quote others that don’t know what they are talking about any more than you do and it will never mean either one of you understand the issue.
            Unaffordable healthcare is available. Affordable healthcare is rationed. If you want Doctors and Hospitals fully staffed waiting for you to needs them that costs money. If you want it cheap that means massive layoffs and long waits a la Canada and the UK.

          • Gay Veteran

            well if you say so then it MUST be true!

            that is, IF you ignore the evidence

  • Mondobeyondo

    The two biggest ripoffs: Health care and higher education.

    Wasn’t Obamacare supposed to make health care more affordable?
    (You can press that red “Laugh” button now.)
    It’s called “socialism”, folks. They have “affordable” health care in Cuba, too. Not necessarily good health care, but it is free for all…

    • Guest

      Higher rates than healthcare in the US. Better pt outcomes, no ones goes broke from healthcare. The US is the only first world nation without universal healthcare…it’s one thing to lead the pack, in certain areas, but it’s also another thing to realize that your in dead last and the pack has pulled away.

      • purrsun

        But, but, but . . . We provide the military for the NWO and can’t we be “proud” of that assignment??.

  • DW

    Here’s an idea! Let the government take it over and make it “free” for everyone. lol!

    • Mike

      The U.S. Already has socialized medicine…it’s called Medicaid!
      And all laughing aside, hard to argue that the U.S. Lags behind most countries, in terms of health and longevity, that have the scary ol “socialized” medicine! Maybe your government might be incompetent at running healthcare but don’t assume other governments are. In fact, residents of most other countries have continuously been polled and overwhelmingly would reject the American version of healthcare. Doesn’t that make anyone think!?

  • A Carson

    You can complain about or bad mouth socialized medicine as much as you like. However, as a Canadian, I was in triage and then waited no longer than five minutes in the waiting area before being examined. I was admitted for internal bleeding. Time lapse of three weeks, seven transfusions, twice daily lab tests, twice daily diabetes blood tests, my regular medications provided by the hospital plus two prescribed by the surgeon, three scopes down the throat. Total cost was NIL. If I was an American, I would be facing an immense medical bill. It’s not so bad north of the US border after all.

    • Chris

      Hey Carson, I agree. I recently moved back after working in the U.S. and my American wife came with me. We are both nurses and see the day to day reality of healthcare stories. Our Canadian system isn’t perfect but just like you said you get all the required care and pay $0 in the form of a bill. Many argue that “your taxes are higher”, and true they are, but who wouldn’t rather pay a few percentage points more knowing that you will never go broke because of it!?! One of the reasons we moved back to this place.
      Do I miss the marble entrance way and the fountain at my old job, yep. Do I miss tv’s in every patient room? Yep. But will I miss getting stuck with a $2500 bill for a 2 hour visit to the ER I WORKED IN? Heck no! It was the most expensive fever and antibiotics I’ve ever seen!

      The sad thing is I have many American friends and relatives stuck in it…I hope and pray for their sake it changes. Truthfully, for every American affected I hope it changes!

  • http://www.mindbodygreen.com Kim

    Scams are myriad:

    Hospitals
    Doctors
    Lawyers
    Taxes
    Finance
    Cost of food

    Even religion. I recently read that some religious organization purchased a multi-million dollar air craft for its leader(s) and the excuse was something like they deserve it or they’re that special. Can u imagine Jesus traveling in such luxury at the expense of his followers?

    My son got really sick about five years ago. I had to take him to the ER. He spent three days in the hospital fighting a bad case of the flu. He ended up with a 10k bill. I remember the day I went to their billing office to submit paperwork for financial assistance (charity) and I remember seeing a huge plaque on the wall with a charter or mission statement about how Providence Hostipal never denies care, how they do God’s work…Because of a technicality, my son wasn’t eligible for help. Some time later he was sued by Providence and Providence received a judgment against him and he had to file bankruptcy at the age of 21. I’m crying as I write this.

    • Guest

      At least he has time to rebuild his life and put this behind him! Horrible situation but sounds like he’s doing well now! Plus it could be a good lesson for him on how healthcare really works! It’s young people like him that can get really sick of these issues and bring about change!

    • Guest

      And yes the wolve in sheeps clothing preaching the “give to get” prosperity gospel is Atlanta based Creflo Dollar. He asked his congregation to donate the money…AND THEY ACTUALLY DID! Amazing how anyone can hook you in and then twist the truth and before you know it, BAM, a personal jet shows up.
      Sad sad world we live in…

    • scott

      Be careful not to confuse the fake Christians with the real thing! There are lots of liars out there.
      Just because they say they’re Christians doesn’t mean they really are. Just because that watch says Rolex doesn’t mean it truly is.

  • Kent Harris

    I would rather die in battle than to die in a hospital. It is the more honorable way to go. At least I know my enemy and not one who says I am here to help you by taking everything you have.

  • tacoma

    U.S. health care – hospitals, procedures and medication particularly, is private enterprise. Therefore they are in it for the money, maximum profit that is. Well, Americans have decided long ago that health care is best served by this system. The U.S. is the only country in the world who insisted on private enterprise health. Today it is fully entrenched, irreversible.

    So health problems is to be fixed by market price. Look, if the cost of fixing a toaster is near that of a new one, you throw out the toaster right? The toaster is you, toasted. Enjoy!

    • purrsun

      Excellent analogy!

  • CensoredSpeech

    Tear it down!!!!!!! I actually got better medical care in the 50′-70’s. It started being a profit center in the early 70’s and it’s only gotten worse since!

  • David Hammond

    you understand that this is a result of insurance companies and medicare only reimbursing hospitals to a small extent…and it is also comes from people as well who abuse the system and never pay a dime. Hospitals have been getting bought up left and right from bigger corporate healthcare companies because they are all broke. Not everything is as it seems.

    • kim

      Why don’t you look up the information on these poor hospitals and see that even with people not paying their bills and the supposed small reimbursement from medicare/medicaid they are still turning a profit.

    • purrsun

      Large study by Atlanta Journal-Constitution surveyed metro area NON-profit hospitals and found CEO pay in the 2-3 mil range. Guess those guys are “broke” too.

      • David Hammond

        I didn’t say the CEOs were broke, I said the hospitals are.

  • Chris

    I agree the insurance companies play a part, but they are only doing what the law allows them to do. Pricing is waaaaay overinflated in the U.S. System. 1 bag of iv fluid, as I witnessed first hand, can be billed at $149.99. In Canada, the same iv fluid is billed to the government at $1…yes, $1.and this isn’t hearsay, this is firsthand info I’ve seen with my own eyes. And this is one example of a supply, among the list I could print out, that shows the drastic difference in costs. Now, tell me costs are out of control.
    The problem has soooo many layers to it that it can’t be pinned only to insurance companies. They, along with costs, are one piece of a huge puzzle that is one giant mess.

    • flautistmaniac

      Isn’t IV fluid just saltwater?

  • John

    My wife injured herself having a seizure and went to Holmes Regional Medical Center in Melbourne, FL. Just for a pain killer and a CT scan, the bill was $8,000. Then we also began receiving bills from individual doctors. Several of these doctors never had anything to do with her stay there, they simply happened to be in the ER that day. Their bills ranged from $300 to $2,000. The dentist on call charged almost $2,000 just to refer her to another dentist. Avoid Holmes Regional in Melbourne, FL.

  • Luke

    Welkom to AmeriKa…

  • Flower

    Here is the algorithm that the US Medical Industry uses: sick=money. It’s that simple. The sicker we are, and the longer we are sick, the more money the medical industry makes.

  • Hp B

    Medical usury.

  • huh ?

    My brother and his wife had a baby about 10 years ago and he was self employed and had no health insurance so had to pay it out of pocket. The bill was for $32,000 which he ended up in court to get them to submit him an itemized bill. They charged him for circumcision, but he had a girl, $200 for the little paper hat they put on the baby that was supposed to be complimentary, $400 each for several other doctors fees for unknown services – the “is everything okay in here” pop-ins so they can bill the insurance co., and a number of other unnecessary services he did not authorize. After pointing out the discrepancies and said it would be going in front of a jury they agreed to $3,800 without argument.

  • Liz

    A doktor was really rough on my little elderly mother when removing a corn. Over the following weekend her foot swelled up severely and became bruised. We took her to the doctor and she was given an XRay with no confirming results. They SURMISED a hairline fracture. We returned FOUR days later and lo and behold they give her another XRay. Again, only ‘guessing’ that it was a hairline fracture (but we knew her little foot had just been poorly treated.) I knew they were b.s.-ing us. Next, they said she needed to return In 4 weeks for a 3rd XRay! This to see if there was ‘new bone growth’ – the only way for theM to tell if she indeed has a hairline fracture. Baloney!

    So, THREE XRAYS in Four Weeks!!! What an absolute rip-off of the Elderly! BTW, her foot has healed up perfectly.

  • Steve Prewitt

    The gloves are finally coming off as we approach second world status in America. Can third world status be far behind? Eventually the joke will be on the (fascist) corpgov greedsters: as the middle class buying power dies so too will the sales, profits and taxes they now reap. Can China supercharge a consumer class in time to save the corpgov gravy train? Stay tuned…

  • junktex

    The Medical-Industial Complex is no conspiracy theory folks.

    • df NJ

      Labeling someone a “conspiracy theory nut” is probably the most powerful label out there.

      • junktex

        That term was invented by the CIA in an attempt to discredit people capable of critical thinking.It’s power as a label is a statement on the stupidity of the masses.

  • purrsun

    Many hospital systems, even w/ multiple locations, now contract out their emergency room doctors. So when hospital check-in clerks declare in-network provider status, ER docs, radiologists, and other professionals not necessarily included. Almost like a bait & switch tactic. Our sole county ambulance provider is also “out-of-network”. The obscure network involved – state of Georgia employees/ retirees.

  • Real Middle Class

    Thank the insurance companies for the cost of most things including health care. Insurance companies pay providers an “allowable amount”, a percentage the the provider will accept if they want to be “in network” or even be a provider for the insurance company in question.

    • df NJ

      If the people on the hospital corporations board are the same people on the healthcare insurance corporation board is it a conflict of interest if one corporation is feeding the other corporations coffers with gold and treasure? No, that’s capitalism in action! GOD BLESS AMERICA!

      Government by the rich, for the rich, screw the worker!

      • Real Middle Class

        Any sources on your statement?

  • MatrixHater

    Nothing new here. In the 70’s, a hospital made the mistake of doing it to my mom- who was a State Medical Auditor. A few months later they got the “audit from hell” which more than wiped out the “profits” they made off of her and a lot of other unsuspecting people by the time they got done paying fines. And yes- even then- there were the aspirins marked up 1,000%

  • abinico

    Hey, don’t rag on the hospitals – they give you a lot of stuff for free. Like that MRSA infection you caught in the hospital; or how about that staph infection – all for free. Or how about all that nutritious GMO food – the GMO they give you for free! And exposure to all the toxic vapors, from deadly cleaning compounds to anesthetics – again, all for free. And recycled air – that’s free also. So correct your attitude – hospitals are great places despite the fact that about 7% never leave alive.

  • Amercan111

    we nurses aren’t getting that money, that’s for sure.

  • TtT Engine

    And do not forget the illegal alien. You would be stunned to know how many people invade our country to have an very expensive medical procedure done, perhaps child birth with epidural, of course, and leave the bill behind and go back to their country of origin. ANOTHER ILLEGAL ALIEN RIPP-OFF. Wonder why one aspirin costs $30 ? The ambulance ride alone may cost you 4 grand. If you can, Stay the hell out of the staff infected “hose pit als”.Health prayers and dietary supplements, baby ! Christi Fidelis !!

  • abbybwood

    Improved Medicare for All. Everybody in and nobody out. Paid for through our jobs with an AFFORDABLE paycheck deduction. No co-pays, no deductibles, no premiums and everyone gets a Medicare card to be used with any doctor in their area of their choosing. Billing is simple and drug prices and prices for ALL supplies can be negotiated. No more gouging.

    We do not need to re-invent the wheel for this to work. Medicare works.

    But it needs to be made much better and that can be done.

    Stop all the needless wars we are involved in and cut the defense budget to pay for health care for ALL Americans and this would include long-term care.

    All we need is the WILL to make it happen.

  • Chris

    Oh no we don’t! Can you imagine even a small slice of the pie? But not even close for us!

  • Chris

    …(us nurses)get any of the profits they make! In fact, the US as a whole underplays most healthcare workers from nurses, techs, right down to housekeeping! Yet they make billions off of what we do! Never got that one.

  • Billy

    If the above is true the American people should be outraged.In Australia we have great public health system that would never invoice a family $900000 after the death of a loved one.The system isn’t perfect but a far cry from the system in the USA if the blog is true.

  • flautistmaniac

    I am at the point where I would rather die than go to a hospital.

  • algol2000

    Any centralized system is prone to corruption.

  • Antonio Ossa

    MY LAST VISIT TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM WAS FOR A BLADDER INFECTION COST AT CHECKOUT: $3000!

  • Sandbagger

    There are worse things than death. Like leaving your loved ones a legacy of debt just because you tried to extend your life a little more. The way I look at it, it’s like going into a casino. You want to set a budget ahead of your trip and stick to it. No going back for more credit (debt) to extend the gambling. No going beyond what our family has agreed to spend in order to pay hospitals to make me well!

  • They’re gonna git theirs

    it sounds like the real issue is americans doing it to each other and so the only thing left is collapse because this can’t continue indefinitely. corruption will result in disruption.

  • InalienableWrights

    What the hell else would you expect out of the government protected AMA monopoly? Out of any monopoly for that matter?

  • MeMadMax

    I call it “Shotgun debt”…

    They charge huge sums of money to as many people as they can knowing full well that they cannot pay but a smaller amount in the end…

    That way they can squeeeeeze as much as they can from as many as they can…

  • Priszilla

    Stay out of hospitals. Or find an insurance that is affordable.

    • df NJ

      Just die it’s much cheaper.

  • Undecider

    It’s much cheaper to get a decent water filter, eat cleanly, and consume “quality” nutritional supplements.

  • Mondobeyondo

    Scams, scams, everywhere a scam…

    Health care, education, insurance, vehicle repair, real estate, banking, mortgages, and on and on… Everyone seems to be out to take advantage of someone or something else. Honesty should be placed on the endangered species list, because it is almost extinct.

  • VigilanteCaregiver

    Want to fix healthcare?

    1: It’s not a “right”: you have no right to demand government or other people pay for your healthcare at gunpoint. That’s your responsibility first, your family and extended family’s next, followed by Churches and charities last.
    2: Deregulate and downsize the bureaucracy: they’re unnecessary to actual treatment. Most of the time they really have no need to be in existence, much less making decisions.
    3. Free market solutions: let doctors compete, innovate, research without government money, and negotiate for payment. I would love to see more technologies that allows a person to handle most of their healthcare independently in the home. One device I’d like to see is an in-home medication dispensary appliance (just as common as your fridge and dishwasher) that mixes any medication necessary out of acids and bases to treat yourself at home.
    4. Stop voting for radicals, insurrectionists, usurpers, and criminals – find better people to take the temporary job as your representatives.

    • Annoyingandlovingit

      Won’t happen – it would work. Look at the people who comment here, mostly /b/ and /pol/ rejects that come to spam, bait, and troll. You got alot of brains. Go elsewhere where brains are liked. People here ar e too stupid and crazy to like you.

      If you don’t know 4chan, /b/ and /pol/ are where pedos, loli’s, stupid politics, other sickos gather.

      • VigilanteCaregiver

        Just out of curiosity, you mentioned to that gay insurrectionist that you’re a professional… troll? Is that the right word for it? And that you had thousands of proxy accounts. Just wondering: how many do you have and how have you had an impact on things?

        • Annoyingandlovingit

          thousands with remarkable impact

  • df NJ

    Greed rules. We are all slaves to our corporate masters.

  • HiddenMarxist

    Now is the time to develop a “nom-de-hospital,” your fake ID to use if you have to go to the ER for emergent care (works best if you can speak a foreign language well). You’ll need a name, address, birthdate, employer (all fake), then just add your true medical history, so the physician has correct information for diagnosing and treating you. Oh, and the most important thing: have your excuse ready for why you have no identification cards with you. Then after discharge, go home and let the bills fibd their way into the dead-letter bix at the list office. Remember, the ER must assess and stabilize your còndition whether you have any ID on hand or not. Note well: this is probably considered illegal as heck, so proceed at your own risk!

  • mm mmm

    Lets not forget to mention our dear dentists. 5 mins to fill cavity- $300, $3600/hour not bad pay!

  • Debbie A. Clark

    After working in the health care field for over 35 years I have seen a gradual transition from hard working and caring hospital staff of which all worked together to achieve a common goal; making the patient better, to an industry where the Managers are only concerned with the “bottom line” and as a result will drive the staff as hard as they can to squeeze an extra buck anywhere they can find it. The patient is of little consiquence in achieving this goal. They will cut costs regardless of the outcome to the patient. For this reason, I no longer work in the health care industry. This being said, I have to point out medical malpractice reform would certainly help rein in some of those costs. You have to remember, the doctor and the hospital’s neck is on the line and they will practice “defensive medicine” in order to keep their license and stay solvent. This has been proven in Texas where there are caps on pay-out amounts and, as a result, their costs are substantially lower.

  • Deanna Clark

    Some folks just get sick or in trouble…but millions don’t even try self control with unhealthy personal habits and food. But they are learning. The upside of this is self improvement and education.
    One of the upsides with the last great depression was a drastic downturn in drug usage.
    Which means…people can do it if they have to.

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