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No Matter What Happens, We Won’t Know Who The Next President Will Be Until December 19th

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what-public-domainMost Americans assume that their votes decide who the next president will be, but that is actually not the case.  It is the Electoral College that will elect the next president, and they don’t meet until December 19th.  And the truth is that all of the members of the Electoral College never meet in one place.  Rather, electors gather together in all 50 state capitals on the second Wednesday in December, and it is at that time that the next president and vice president are officially elected.  Of course members of the Electoral College have voted according to the will of the people about 99 percent of the time throughout our history, but with how crazy this election has turned out to be you never know what might happen.  For example, later on in this article you will see that one elector in Washington state has already publicly stated that he will not cast his vote for Hillary Clinton.  If other “faithless electors” emerge, that could potentially change the entire outcome of the election.

If you are not familiar with the basics of how the Electoral College works, here is a pretty good summary from Wikipedia

Even though the aggregate national popular vote is calculated by state officials, media organizations, and the Federal Election Commission, the people only indirectly elect the president, as the national popular vote is not the basis for electing the president or vice president. The President and Vice President of the United States are elected by the Electoral College, which consists of 538 presidential electors from the fifty states and Washington, D.C.. Presidential electors are selected on a state-by-state basis, as determined by the laws of each state. Since the election of 1824,[35] most states have appointed their electors on a winner-take-all basis, based on the statewide popular vote on Election Day. Maine and Nebraska are the only two current exceptions, as both states use the congressional district method. Although ballots list the names of the presidential and vice presidential candidates (who run on a ticket), voters actually choose electors when they vote for president and vice president. These presidential electors in turn cast electoral votes for those two offices. Electors usually pledge to vote for their party’s nominee, but some “faithless electors” have voted for other candidates.

A candidate must receive an absolute majority of electoral votes (currently 270) to win the presidency or the vice presidency. If no candidate receives a majority in the election for president or vice president, that election is determined via a contingency procedure established by the Twelfth Amendment. In such a situation, the House chooses one of the top three presidential electoral vote-winners as the president, while the Senate chooses one of the top two vice presidential electoral vote-winners as vice president.

In an attempt to make sure that their electors vote according to the will of the people, 29 states have passed laws that impose penalties on “faithless electors”.  In many cases the punishment consists of a fine, but that may not be enough to keep some electors in line this time around.  According to ABC News, one elector that was supposed to be committed to Hillary Clinton has already announced that he is refusing to vote for her despite the fact that he will get hit by a $1,000 fine…

One elector has already said he won’t vote for Clinton, despite a fine. Robert Satiacum, a member of Washington’s Puyallup Tribe, says he believes Clinton is a “criminal” who doesn’t care enough about American Indians and “she’s done nothing but flip back and forth.”

Satiacum faces a $1,000 fine in Washington if he doesn’t vote for Clinton, but he said he doesn’t care.

“She will not get my vote, period,” he told The Associated Press.

And there are 21 states that do not impose penalties on “faithless electors” at all.

So while it is true that over 99 percent of all Electors throughout our history have voted the way that they were supposed to, that may not happen in 2016.

There is also the possibility that the winning candidate could die or become incapacitated between Election Day and December 19th.  If that happens, the electors that are supposed to be committed to the winning candidate would be free to vote for someone else.  The following comes from archives.gov

If a candidate dies or becomes incapacitated between the general election and the meeting of electors, under federal law, the electors pledged to the deceased candidate may vote for the candidate of their choice at the meeting of electors. Individual states may pass laws on the subject, but no federal law proscribes how electors must vote when a candidate dies or becomes incapacitated. In 1872, when Horace Greeley passed away between election day and the meeting of electors, the electors who were slated to vote for Greeley voted for various candidates, including Greeley. The votes cast for Greeley were not counted due to a House resolution passed regarding the matter. See the full Electoral College vote counts for President and Vice President in the 1872 election.

As to a candidate who dies or becomes incapacitated between the meeting of electors and the counting of electoral votes in Congress, the Constitution is silent on whether this candidate meets the definition of “President elect” or “Vice President elect.” If the candidate with a majority of the electoral votes is considered “President elect,” even before the counting of electoral votes in Congress, Section 3 of the 20th Amendment applies. Section 3 of the 20th Amendment states that the Vice President elect will become President if the President elect dies or becomes incapacitated.

If a winning Presidential candidate dies or becomes incapacitated between the counting of electoral votes in Congress and the inauguration, the Vice President elect will become President, according to Section 3 of the 20th Amendment.

Our Constitution really should be amended to deal with a situation where a winning candidate dies between Election Day and the Electoral College vote, but up until now that has not happened.

So the cold, hard reality of the matter is that we will enter a period of great uncertainty between November 8th and December 19th.  Even though the American people will have spoken, we will not have a “President-elect” yet, and if something happens to the winning candidate that could throw us into an unprecedented constitutional crisis.

And of course if the election results are very tight and a few “faithless electors” throw the election in the opposite direction on December 19th, that could create an enormous constitutional crisis as well.

Following the vote of the Electoral College on December 19th, a joint session of Congress takes place on January 6th of the following year to formally declare the winner

The Twelfth Amendment mandates that the Congress assemble in joint session to count the electoral votes and declare the winners of the election.[53] The session is ordinarily required to take place on January 6 in the calendar year immediately following the meetings of the presidential electors.[54] Since the Twentieth Amendment, the newly elected House declares the winner of the election; all elections before 1936 were determined by the outgoing House.

Two weeks later, the winning candidate will be inaugurated on January 20th, and at that point the next president will begin to serve.

It would be a whole lot simpler and more rational to just allow the American people to directly elect the president, and it would probably take a major crisis in order to get the kind of constitutional amendment that is needed to do that.

But for now the system is what it is, and that means that the election is not over until it is over.

So November 8th is definitely not the end of the story, and the craziest chapters of this election season may still be yet to come.

  • Mike Smithy

    Although I can empathize with Robert Satiacum’s disapproval of Hillary Clinton, it is outrageous that he would oppose the will of the voters of Washington state.

    • gfmucci

      Then why have any “duly appointed electors” if their vote is mandated “by the people?” I certainly could not violate my conscience and sense of reason and common sense by affirming the vote of the ignorant masses who voted for Hillary.

      • df NJ

        Checks are balances against the emotions of the majority.

      • Mike Smithy

        Then why should people bother voting if an unelected elector can do whatever he or she wants? Take your pick: It’s a farce, a charade and/or an exercise in futility.

      • watchmannonthewall

        Seems to me that once we get rid of the Electoral College we are one step closer to to electing a president based strictly on popular vote. Since many people in the cities seem to have a different set of values than I do, I like the idea of the states getting an electoral number of votes and that being the way the president is elected. The current process negates thousands of extra votes by those who like to live in the cities, which often mooch off the rest of the state.
        In the past we’ve had presidents who did not win the popular vote count. I’m fine with that. As things now stand, just winning about 13 of the largest states (can you say “Mostly coastal states…”?) will allow a certain party to have enough electoral votes to win the presidency, how much worse if all the cities were to vote 80-90% the same way!
        We do need a better way to make the electoral reps vote the way their state voted. Otherwise there is an opportunity to buy votes and change the outcome.

      • SM1000

        lol you do realize trump won the vote of the uneducated in rural areas… which is why he won.

        • Mike Smithy

          Don’t confuse education with intelligence, as they are mutually exclusive concepts. Some of the dumbest people I know have advanced degrees.

          • SM1000

            Lol maybe, but education does make a person more intelligent no matter how intelligent they are in the beginning. Although unfortunately, the least intelligent people I’ve met have been people who never went to college.

  • MeMadMax

    If trump wins, the next 2/3 months will probably be the most dangerous time ever.
    Why???
    Because the crazies will know that they are on the out and will have nothing to lose.

    • df NJ

      The Democrats are underachievers. You have nothing to worry about.

      • Tin Boat Bob

        Hey Snotty…..snotty where are you ?

        Drowning your sorrows or drowning in snot like a crying, sooky, foot stamping, temper-tantrum throwing 5 year old.

        Too funny by far………………suck it up dude !

        • SnodtBlossom

          That’s MsDude.. And Yes… I’M THOROUGHLY DISGUSTED THAT PIGBASTARD WON

          • ISA41:10

            MORE PROOF LIBERALISM TRULY IS A MENTAL DISORDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Paul Patriot

            Well said. I was surrounded by them growing up in new england, they have no concept of right or wrong and do not respect or appreciate Conbstitutiona freedom.

            The liberal progressives are not only immoral socialists, but they are very selfish in the sense that they care only about what can be done for their personal comfort, and could care less about preserving the future well being of society.
            they also applaud depravity and cheer at the thought of more babies being killed in the womb….

            And their “savior” dares to call all who disagree. Deplorables????

            It truly is a mental disease caused by apathy, normalcy bias, propaganda, selfishness, immorality, and hatred for conservative Godly and Constitutional precepts.

          • Rick

            That’s a great post! I would go as far as applying that to the majority of people on the east coast. There is no such thing as a conservative out there.

          • Mike Smithy

            Undoubtedly, the west coast has an equal number of idiotic lib scumbags.

          • Paul Benson

            My condolences on your loss. When is the funeral?

          • SnodtBlossom

            there is no funeral for beauty

          • Paul Benson

            Tou never did answer my question before.
            Isn’t a snodtblossom the mucus bubble a baby blows out its nostril when it has a cold?

          • SnodtBlossom

            lol.. no

          • Paul Benson

            just kiddin’. I hope you have a better day tomorrow.

          • CASTIEL

            :) Lol …TRUMP IS YOUR NEW GLORIOUS PRESIDENT!!!!.
            ahahhahaha…..and whats with the black? who died???

          • SnodtBlossom

            Impeach President PigBastard T.Rump!!!

          • LIZ THE SHIZ

            feel sorry for the late Sondtster as it lies like a dead dried up booger in a discarded Kleenex , but like all nasal discharges it will return and try to clog up your airways

          • SnodtBlossom

            the late Sondtster?

          • Jerry C

            “These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the
            world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.” -John 16:33

          • SnodtBlossom

            Deuteronomy 23Lexham English Bible (LEB)

            23 “No man with crushed tisticles[a] or whose male organ is cut off[b] may come into the assembly of Yahhweh.

          • Bruce

            One of the MANY things wrong with the religions of the world. If your deformed or have fallen victim to a tragedy you no longer count. Most religions are nothing short of cults!

          • bc

            This for sure proves U R a total MORON

    • Horiboyable .

      Yea those types of folks don’t like losing their free lunch.
      That Obama women will have to pay for her own gas now to put in her car

  • Aarin K

    Michael. You are all over the place with your articles now.
    And you are never right. Change the name of your blog maybe.

  • JC Teecher

    As I have stated many times before, this election is all about the vote of conscience, for each individual.

    As in the days of old, our Creator wanted to be our leader, but the people rejected Him, and now over 3000 years later, we are at the point of the people rejecting Jesus Christ, and His teachings.

    So, no matter the outcome, be it today, tonight, or in December, the records of what people, individually, have said and done, is recorded in Heaven in their individual records

    We will see the results of those records come as a sign of the times to come. Look up, for our redemption draweth nigh.

    • df NJ

      So what you are saying is if you vote for a Democrat you are rejecting Jesus Christ?

      • Oliver

        I hope you are not this ignorant. Are you trying to give the readers a laugh? Really, are you just fundamentally unlearned?

  • K

    Yes it is true, an elector could be bribed or blackmailed. And thus be forced to vote for a different candidate.Or someone with evil intent, could on his own, vote for a different candidate.But also, God could touch the heart of an elector. And tell them to vote against evil no matter what. If Hillary wins, God is giving this Country just what it deserves, If Trump wins, God in his great mercy. Is giving this Country one last chance, to turn from its’ evil ways His will be done.

    • Bill G Wilminton NC

      With Trump As President God Is Giving Us A Reprieve……Thanks For Your Comment.

      Shalom

      • ALWAYSTOMORROW

        COUNTDOWN. Today, November 8, 2016. Today I predict Mrs. Clinton will be elected our next presidet.

        • Bill G Wilminton NC

          Its 11 30 Tuesday Nite And Hillary Has A Problem……

          • Brian

            AMEN BILL !!!

          • K

            As you celebrate, remember. This nay well be a last chance. If we do not stay on our representatives, for the change that is required. To guide this Country off the evil course it is on. Then the cheering, will turn to crying soon enough. You have awoken to the evil that has a stranglehold on this Country. Stay vigilant, for many who have allowed this evil, have been returned to office. If you go back to sleep now. All this will be for nothing.

        • CASTIEL

          Looks like…..you were wrong….ahahah

        • darwin

          Within the large pool of idiots most of them are in favor of Trump.

          • ALWAYSTOMORROW

            I was one of those idiots. :-)

        • durango

          ALWAYSTOMORROW – where are you? Halloo. Are you there?

        • NorthernBud

          How about that….

          Open mouth, insert foot.

          LMAO

          • ALWAYSTOMORROW

            I say what I believe to be true. When I am wrong I gladly admit it.

            I was wrong about what I thought the majority of people would do.

            Congratulations to Trump and all of the people who voted for him.

        • Sun Rise

          Wow. People slamming someone even though he ADMITTED he was wrong, and genuinely happy to admit it, and went to far as to congratulate those he opposed. That, ladies and gentleman, is a class act.

          • ALWAYSTOMORROW

            I never opposed Trump or his supporters. I preferred Trump over Clinton. I just thought Clinton would be the majority of the peoples choice.

          • Sun Rise

            I figured so, given your response (so does that mean those criticizing you did not bother to fully read your post?); it doesn’t matter. In fact, in light of that you did not oppose Trump supporters, etc., it makes the criticism even worse. Anyway, you promptly apologized, and others still preferred to take offense. That bothers me. Probably because I struggle with the same thing sometimes myself. But I realize I will be respected more for admitting my mistakes. So its a goal I personally aim for.

            I am not American, so did not have any vested interest in this election. It does not surprise me that Mr. Trump won; I think the American people, like Britain, are sick and tired of the tyranny.

            It will be interesting to see how the Canadian government will respond to Mr. Trump’s presidency, considering we (present party not included) voted in what they did nationally, and in Alberta.

            Cheers.

    • df NJ

      If Trump loses I blame God.

  • tsf

    Ah, yet one more trick up the Clinton sleeve.
    Wonders never cease..

  • rat28

    Hilary will win by landslide.. Nothing to worry about

    • Bill G Wilminton NC

      Hillary Seems To Be Having A Problem In Indiana And Kentucky……..

      • Guest

        Trump has taken West Virginia.

        Right now Hillary has the lead in Florida, but the votes are still being counted. Let’s hope that changes.

        • Bill G Wilminton NC

          Last I saw Trump Was Up 1% Before The Super Repub Panhandle Was Even In… GO TRUMP GO

          • SnodtBlossom

            Bill is jiggling his moobs doing a sicko dance

    • Mike Smithy

      Are you sure?

    • Brian

      No, Donald J. Trump will be our next President Of The United States Of America!!!
      I can’t stop singing….Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead! LoL

      • GoinSheep

        You don’t know how baaaaaaaaaad this is… but I do..

    • Bill G Wilminton NC

      lol

      • Mike Smithy

        Bill, Thank you for keeping the faith. You are a true patriot. USA, USA, USA, LOCK HER UP, LOCK HER UP, LOCK HER UP.

        • Bill G Wilminton NC

          So Are You !

          • SnodtBlossom

            Impeach President PigBastard T.Rump!!!

    • Mike Smithy

      Sorry, you lose. America wins.

    • Paul Patriot

      Take the koolaide and go back to sleep, no need to worry or care about your freedoms….

  • tsf

    “There is also the possibility that the winning candidate could die or become incapacitated between Election Day and December 19th. If that happens, the electors that are supposed to be committed to the winning candidate would be free to vote for someone else.”

    Sounds quite Clintonesque.

  • Demonocracy

    So in other words, it’s RIGGED! Why not just tell it like it is?

    • df NJ

      It’s rigged all right. It’s called gerrymandering.

  • rentslave

    This is what I’ve been telling people all year now.If Hillary wins,then dies after the Electors vote but before the vote is counted in a joint session,then the House must elect Trump as he will be the only qualified person to receive Electoral votes,assuming that a qualified person must be alive at the time of the counting.

  • df NJ

    Republicans won the House. The power of Gerrymandering!

  • df NJ

    Gerrymandering is worse than lobbyists. Jackson Pollock paintings make more sense than our congressional districts.

    https://www.wired.com/2016/01/gerrymandering-is-even-more-infuriating-when-you-can-actually-see-it/

    “The worst offender? “North Carolina was and is often used as the archetype,” Rae says. His map shows the state’s 12th district undulating northwest to southeast like an eight-bit snake. Now, technically gerrymandering is against the law—unless topography gets in the way, districts are supposed to be contiguous regions. But the 12th…well, look at it. Its irregular blocks of land all connect, but only at their corners. Legislators call this “point contiguity,” and when you see it on a map, you can bet something dicey is going on.”

  • Wizard of Aus

    I’m watching the futures falling big time. This is massive & will affect us big time as our markets are falling too. The pollsters will be out of business as they got this so wrong.

    • somefuckingguy

      The rich is just being spiteful.

    • XSANDIEGOCA

      Fork the Markets! They will built on interest stolen from us.

      • Rick

        Exactly right!

      • SM1000

        The economy will start to collapse if the markets collapse. Which will be bad for everyone.

    • LIZ THE SHIZ

      I got to laugh at Real UnClear Politics especially

  • Wizard of Aus

    I always thought Trump would win.

  • Wizard of Aus

    The huge rally a couple of days ago is being undone.

    • df NJ

      We should see a return to the economy losing 800,000 jobs per month just like the last time a Republican was in office.

      • Scott Comin

        Yes. Unfortunately democrats create more jobs statistically

        • LIZ THE SHIZ

          did you know now the biggest growth in union membership is in the government , it figures

  • JC Teecher

    As the story unfolds tonight, we should never lose count of what is really important, and that is the right of every person to claim the personal freedoms and liberties that are inherent rights granted by Our Heavenly Father, and then confirmed by a US of A Constitution, based on those same granted rights written in God’s letter to us.

    If we as, Children of Light, remain vigilant and steadfast, the evil that will remain in power, no matter who claims the title of potus, has no control over us.

    That is a lesson we should all adhere to in order, to make a stand “against” the one world order.

  • mtntrek3

    Donnie……. don’t kill us all in the process (Lol), but get in there and help us out.

  • Orac4Prez

    Where’s Snodtblossom? It seems like Mr Putin has been working hard…. Poor Democrats.

    • SnodtBlossom

      I want to shake the hand of the kangaroo that kicked you in the head

  • mleblanc138

    I can’t wait to see SnodtBlossom’s reaction when she sees that “your next glorious President Hillary” lost in a very close race and will therefore be going to jail. She might just need some of those durable adult diapers that Hillary was Google searching for.

    • SnodtBlossom

      President PigBastard makes a very dark day in history

      • ISA41:10

        DIE LIBERALISM DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • df NJ

          Yeah,I agree. All the factories closing pushing all the red-state voters into poverty had nothing to do cheap Chinese labor and the Chinese pegging the yuan to the dollar 6 to 1. The factories closing was because of too much socialism and welfare and taxes being too high on CEOs.

          • Scott Comin

            ?????

          • SM1000

            It was a combination of things, and welfare was such a small piece of it, it’s almost not worth mentioning.

      • Joseph

        TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! OUR GLORIOUS NEW PRESIDENT!!!!

        • SnodtBlossom

          Impeach T.Rump President PigBastard !!!!

        • XSANDIEGOCA

          Hear, Hear!

      • LIZ THE SHIZ

        that black berka better cover your face Groucho

  • Mike Smithy

    Congratulations President Trump. LOCK HER UP, DRAIN THE SWAMP, LOCK HER UP, DRAIN THE SWAMP, LOCK HER UP, DRAIN THE SWAMP, LOCK HER UP, DRAIN THE SWAMP. Yes, we can walk and chew gum at the same time. FU ABC, FU NBC, FU CNN, FU CBS, FU MSLSD, FU Republican Establishment, FU Hollywood, FU Janet Yellen, FU Federal Reserve, FU Wall Street, FU Academia, FU FBI, FU DOJ, FU President Zero, FU Hillary. Were going to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN whether you like it or not.

    • df NJ

      She has to be indicted first which means there will have to be some evidence of wrong doing. ASCII emails are not exactly tamper proof or good evidence.

      btw, I thought Glen Beck was a “great American” ? Why is he on the FU list?

      Oh, also, what makes America great? I don’t want to miss it when it happens.

      • jakartaman

        Our girly loser president will give her a pre-emptive pardon like any slimeball would do!!

        • Rick

          I don’t think loser Obama even likes her. I think he’d rather see her fry.

      • Rick

        You are really reaching now aren’t you. Keep dreaming. Now the 33,000 will be coming out, and she will be “going in” … To jail! Enjoy the show!

      • Rick

        Crooked Hillary is even late to her own loser party now conceding to us she is a criminal loser. Fitting!

      • Mike Smithy

        I am glad you asked.

        Q: What makes America Great?
        A: Limited Government, Individual Rights, Rule of Law, Sovereign Borders, Religious Liberty, Economic Freedom.

        Q:What’s wrong with Glen Beck?
        A: He sold out to the NWO Establishment. I can only hope that they paid him well in exchange for his soul.

    • Rick

      And don’t forget FU Fox News!

    • JackerRaabit

      STEP 1. Block the illegals in the country from sending any money out of the country. Better yet, transfer all that illegally obtained money into the Build The Wall Fund.

      STEP 2. Brutally fine anyone who employs an illegal.

      STEP 3. Whatever.

  • billtheguy

    Now that the election is over these people need to leave the country. They said it themselves on MSN “if Trump wins the presidency, I’m leaving the USA”. Spike Lee, Bryan Cranston, Barbara Streisand, Chelsa Handler, Al Sharpton, Jon Stewart, Cher, Miley Cyrus, Samuel L. Jackson, Nev Campbell, etc. They might as well take Justin Beiber and Whoopi Goldberg with them. And by the way don’t come back just to perform or do business.

    • df NJ

      All that’s left now is to round up the remaining Democrats in office and put then into a concentration camps for crimes against the Fatherland.

      America’s night of the long knives is probably coming soon. I can see armed political consolidation happening before the second coming of Jesus. But we should combine the two and call it “Night of the Long Jesus”.

    • LIZ THE SHIZ

      I’m sure ISIS will welcome the with bloody knives and chopping blocks

  • NorthernBud

    Congratulations America!!!!

    Welcome, President Trump.

    • SnodtBlossom

      DIE YOU STUPID HO’S HEADS

      • df NJ

        Nice meltdown.

        • SnodtBlossom

          ty

          • df NJ

            Think of it this way. Trump presidency is just happiness fuel for when the conservatives find out just of socially liberal someone from New Jersey can be.

      • Paul Patriot

        Why are acting so INTOLERANT???????

        yet, your type critizes the deplorables for being g intolerant

        What you wrote is hate speech, and Michael should trace your IP address and have the police pay you a visit

        I haven’t blocked you because your incompetent often hateful comments are very interesting.

        • SnodtBlossom

          lol.. oh, mine are the most intolerant you’ve seen on the site?

      • pulltheweeds

        just pretend you woke up in an alternative universe. feel better now ?

      • LIZ THE SHIZ

        someone ship the Snottdtmeister to a state where marijuana is legal , I SEE A MELTDOWN IN THE MAKING

        • SnodtBlossom

          shut up shizhead

    • XSANDIEGOCA

      You are welcome!

    • Paul Patriot

      Thank you!!!

    • SnodtBlossom

      DIE YOU STUPID ‘ADIANS

  • PointofVue

    I heard it’s so quiet over at the Clinton campaign office, you can hear an email being deleted……..

    • Paul Benson

      great one. I laughed out loud!

  • XSANDIEGOCA

    All true, Michael, but let us SAVOR the moment. A spectacular Victory. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!

    • df NJ

      You should have used the word SAVIOR

      • XSANDIEGOCA

        I stand corrected :)

    • BelieveInCod

      God just cursed America

      • XSANDIEGOCA

        That’s obviously a matter of opinion.

  • ISA41:10

    “Good morning, Mrs. Clinton. I am the Warden. You are a convicted felon. I believe in two things. Discipline and the Bible. Here you’ll receive both. Put your trust in the Lord. Your a$$ belongs to me. Welcome to Shawshank.”

  • XSANDIEGOCA

    Mr. Obama, you are FIRED!

    • Rick

      I’ll use those same letters but in a different order. Mr. Obama you are FRIED! Bye bye legacy and corrupt Obamacare.

      • JC Teecher

        We have about two months and change…until the Obominable one is released into the pits of hell, to begin his reign of evil terror on the world via the UN.
        Watch and wait for it, for it will happen or I’ll be the one eating crow. and gladly, with feathers feet and all.

        • Rick

          No doubt. That’s one reason he’s given over the Internet to the UN. He will be there, but under Trump, it will revert back to the little sorority house it should be, with no power over the USA.

      • SnodtBlossom

        after 8 years in the whitehouse, i’m sure your words impress him and everyone here :eyeroll:

        • Rick

          To quote president smug himself from 2009, we won, you lost, so sit down and shut up!

    • SnodtBlossom

      You’re an impotent gimp

  • df NJ

    So now that Trump is president when will we see the second coming of Jesus?

    Here’s how I judge the success of the Trump presidency in increasing order of difficulty:

    1. Bring about the second coming of Jesus
    2. Repeal NAFTA and rebuild all the closed factories
    3. Build a great wall on our southern border
    4. Deport 14 million illegal immigrants
    5. Repeal Obamacare
    6. Tax breaks for the top 1%
    7. Cancel every Obama executive order

    Woooo!! That’s some list!

    What is your list? By what measure would you consider the Trump presidency a success? Or is it already a success just because he’s from New Jersey?

    It’s about time New Jersey ruled this country! I’ve been waiting for this my whole life!

    • jakartaman

      So how does crow taste?

      • df NJ

        Crow? Not really. Trump or Hillary really doesn’t matter.

      • JC Teecher

        Crow? Crow is to good for him, and snotty, they should be required to eat Buzzard. lol lol lol.

      • LIZ THE SHIZ

        you mean SH*Tdon’t you?

    • Oliver

      You are either a very bored soul with unprecedented time on your hands, or a lonely, retiree with an addiction to the internet. Anybody that is speaking from the heart, sharing opinions and thoughts here, have to deal with the elementary level of your boredom.

  • df NJ

    I guess the voting machines were not rigged. I guess the buses broke down carrying all the illegals to the polling stations. I thought someone said there would be 10 million illegal voters? Was there voter fraud or not??????

    Did Republican voting machines hackers beat out the Democrat ones? I don’t understand. Is the election rigged or not??????

    At least with President Trump the price of ammo will finally return back to pre-Obama levels…..

  • df NJ

    I see HUGE tax breaks coming! Thank you Jesus!!

  • df NJ

    America voted: “At least three states legalized recreational marijuana, four approved medical marijuana initiatives”

  • Todayisthe Dayofsalvation

    Obama is the last president.

  • sister soldier

    Now why wasn’t this article presented earlier?

  • Richard T.

    Well, as many men and women of God have said about this election, that Mr. Trump is a door stop for the door of judgement on America. He is a reprieve granted by God. So for now we have at least four years to consider our ways. I think it is very sobering to see the results of the election in this light. The real question for us is what we will do now that we have this reprieve granted by God? What will we do about it? How will we respond to this mercy? What is our response to His grace?

    Are we all on our knees thanking God for this reprieve? Are we all on our knees repenting and turning away from our evil? Are we all doing the best we can to follow God and do what He calls us to do? Are we turning away from our evil ways and turning back to Him?

    I was reminded of the prayers of Daniel, in the book of Daniel Ch 9:3 to 19. I think this is a fitting prayer for all Christians who are called by the name of the LORD. Now we have a reprieve, let us repent! Let us get rid of the idols in our hearts and in our homes. Let us preach the Gospel and get as many lost people into the family of God as possible. We may only have 4 more years to do this. We know the greater evil will come and take over eventually. We have to do God’s work while there’s still light. Let’s treasure the last few years of opportunities and get ready for the return of the LORD Jesus Christ!

    • Oliver

      So well said. I wish more could have the opportunity to read your comment Richard, other than just this platform. Thank you.

      • Richard T.

        It’s words for myself, too. I need God more than ever, just like everyone. Just hoping to see a real revival in the Body of Christ!

    • Rick

      Great post! It may just take all 4 of those years to “Drain the Swamp” in DC, and start putting certain people behind bars.

    • JC Teecher

      I agree mostly, but there will be more than four years left for the true Christian church to teach and stand as a witness. God proclaimed it, and he is never wrong.

      No worldly leader has the ability or power to divide and conquer, what God has proclaimed and joined together.
      The time of restoration of the saints, and true Christians has begun. A new age of truth is going to be taught.
      Not all that many will have the desire to hear and eyes to see, but it will be available, to “whomsoever will”.

      And it will be taught, right up until the Return. Amen.

    • Tothewolves1099

      So how’s the tooth fairy and boogy man doing during all this? Are they going to buttfuck your Jesus Christ friend while you watch? #HailSatan #JKHeismakebelievetoo

      • Deplorable Twister Jones

        I hope you have a chance to repent before you die. I pray that God forgives you because you do not know what you’re saying. Jesus does love you, ask Him into your heart and accept Him as your savior and repent for your sins and you will be forgiven. Live for Him and go in peace. I love you and I have prayed for you.

  • Cal

    What was amusing concerning the election results…HRC was demolished in her adoptive home state of Arkansas. Bill never did have any political coattails just cigars which he didn’t inhale.

    • pulltheweeds

      lmao

    • JC Teecher

      She was always crony shi-cago, (home town) all the time and used the Gov ners mansion to pull more crony deals.

  • Richard O. Mann

    Yep. We have one crazy system here. I’m not sure how many Americans really understand how it works.

  • ЦШЭБ1963

    Not even Trump or Obama will stop the dollar collapse.

  • JC Teecher

    As the victors jump and cheer over the miracle of Trump winning the election, and the liberals cry in their coffee; we are at another turning point in our history.
    It is not necessarily a good thing either. Yea, the possibilities of overturning some wrong laws and mandates in the future is a good thing, but the bad thing is; we now know the extent of something much bigger and more sinister coming on the horizon.
    I don’t want to pee on anyone’s parade here, although I would like to see the faces of those billery boot lickers and mockers, like Fartblossom, Always Tomorrow, and dfNJ, etc, etc, as they cry in their gloominess of despair of not being able to bash Christians for voting for a (loser) Trump.
    On the Christian thing; It is apparent that nearly 80% of the self-called Jesus Believing population of America, has also voted for the evil left, aka…liberalism.
    OK, maybe that 80% has dropped off, as some reports say it is now at 70%. So I’ll meet in the middle by using a 75% figure.
    Billery got a whopping 60 million votes (rounded off), and of those, there were about 45 million that claim to be Evangelical/Christian. Now add in another, roughly 20 million that did not vote, or switched their vote from democrat/liberal to Trump (for a varying degree of reasons), and we are looking at about 65 million adults, that claim to be Evangelical/Christian, and still live by a liberal ideology of killing babies in the womb, and allowing a Sodom and Gaymorrah proliferation to exist.
    That same ideology is ever more present in the Churches of today, and many of those cast a vote for Republicans, but still maintain a liberal ideology. That my friends, is what the Lord calls the Church of the last days, as the Laodicean Church. It is here, and in full strength.

    The new generations have been brainwashed by society, the established mainstream liberal media, and worst of all, their education system. These young folks are not going away, they are only growing more strong in numbers, and more defiant as time goes by. Many have become secularists.
    This period of time to come may be the last of the “possible” good ole days left on this earth. We should take full advantage of this time to enjoy life, and try to influence all the youth, and older folks that have become establishment sheeple, to the biblical truths of which are coming, no matter who is steering the ship, called US of A

  • Rick

    Michael, my condolences to you. You are still in some sick way hoping Trump does not or cannot take office in January. Or is it that you are just reaching for material now?

  • goldminer

    Still awating comments from Hillary………………………………..Still waiting…………………But it is daylight and the sun is out in NYC.
    She must have problems getting out of her coffin.

    • pulltheweeds

      that is funnier than her losing

      LMAO

      • JC Teecher

        Funny was her supporters crying over her loss, as though they had just lost their saviour, and momma.
        billery cares only about billery and their fortunes, and buying influence and selling America to the Highest bidder.
        They will continue to have their grubby stinking fingers in American politics until the day they go into a prison on earth, or in the earth.

  • Rick

    To just watched Killary’s “consession” speach, and I have to say it was pathetic. Still all about her. Tim Kaine never congratulated Donald, and neither did Killary. She mentioned she called him last night, and offered to work with him, but not once did I hear either of them congratulate him. Now the MSM is oogling, druling, and showering her with praise. What a farce they are too. She needs to go to jail now!

    • SM1000

      I saw the speech, she congratulated him, but in a way that was directed to everyone not just him.

      I do find it funny that everyone thinks she should go to jail because she made a mistake using the wrong email for classified info. Yet I’m sure those same people spouting hate have probably made even worse mistakes in their lives lol

      • Rick

        I doubt it!

        • SM1000

          I guess you’re not educated enough to pick it up.

  • Alberto Francis

    Most people need to relax. take a step back and recognize that he won. Can they some how stop him from becoming Prez, sure there is always a chance for most things, how likely? highly improbable!
    Good or bad I am ready for the tomorrow and what lies ahead. I didn’t vote for him but that is who we got. Deal with it folks and work your hardest to make tomorrow a better day than today, for you and all. God bless America!

    • SM1000

      Ya I agree, I didn’t vote for him. I thought Hillary would be a better choice, but now I just hope he doesn’t mess things up. He really has no experience governing, but who knows, he may learn along the way.

  • BATTLE LOG

    BWA HA HAAAA!!!

    Where’s the SNOT!? OH THIS IS TOO FUNNY!

    ROTFLMAO!!!!!

  • goldminer

    Had to turn the way back machine to 1939 to get this one

    Ding Dong! The Witch is dead. Which old Witch? The Wicked Witch!
    Ding Dong! The Wicked Witch is dead.

    Wake up you sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed.
    Wake up, the Wicked Witch is dead. She’s gone where the goblins go,
    Below – below – below. Yo-ho, let’s open up and sing and ring the bells out.
    Ding Dong’ the merry-oh, sing it high, sing it low.
    Let them know
    The Wicked Witch is dead!

  • Jerry C

    Just like I predicted. Next, LUITPOS goes to the United Nations to become the next Secretary General. Then, all bets are off.

  • JC Teecher

    Hey, yall, look at the bright side. If we just move to Massachusetts, and buy some land out in the burbs, we can now grow pot legally.
    Since Mass. is the only state east of the MIssissip, to allow recreational use, a few buds just might find their way to,
    bean town or NYC where they will bring top dollar.

    Awh heck, that would never happen..would it?

  • SnodtBlossom

    Well personally, I don’t know where your wife is going, but I asked an old boyfriend if he’d like to emigrate to Aruba.

    • bc

      They ( Hillary, Bill, Obummer, Comey, Lynch, etal.) will all “be stronger together”, behind bars!!! LOL

  • Richard T.

    Unfortunately for you, the stereotype you tried to place on me does not work. I am neither old, nor white.

  • J.C

    While there is still much to be done, do you think the economy will not collapse under Trump? Michael will probably agree that the chances are better, but the future is unpredictable.

    • SM1000

      His policies so far will damage the economy. Which is why the markets started to tank when it was clear he was going to be prez. Hopefully he will listen to the expert economists and come up with better policies. If he does he might actually be able to improve the economy.

      • Deplorable Twister Jones

        Nope you’re wrong!! The market took a downturn sure, but then recovered and went to a record high as the election was called in favor of President Trump. Quit trying to keep throwing water of the fire that will not be quenched!

        Face the facts that this country has been saved from complete ruin and possibly being taken over by hostile governments that Hillary owed favors to. It still may happen but with President Trump we have hope, with her it was guaranteed.

        • SM1000

          Markets do correct themselves, the corrections had nothing to do with trump, everyone knew markets would tank in the short run if trump was elected, even trump supporters. It was common knowledge in the trading rooms. Also there are markets still tanking like crude oil because of the fear of trump/Iran, and the opec deals… I get the feeling you don’t know much about the markets.

  • ProclaimingGodsTruth

    Ah, Mr Trump – the answer man and ‘savior’ of the US. How foolish!

    Unless this nation turns back to Almighty God, it will not get any better. In fact, it may take a parallel road to the one we’re on right now. Unless this nation from the WH down gets right with God, Trump will do little. Now we will have a wealth-driven, wealth-focused mogul in the WH.

    Put your trust in God and not in flesh!

  • SM1000

    It was because not all the votes on the west coast were counted yet and she had a lot of votes out there. Not to mention absentee ballots. No conspiracy theory lol

  • SM1000

    Actually I live in Wisconsin and I’m a day trader. I guess I was right, not so smart.

  • quercus454

    If the electors do not vote according to the election, the protests/riots we are are seeing currently will be nothing compared to what will be unleashed by Trump supporters. Those electors should fear for their lives if they pull this crap.

  • Al Wunsch

    Author states: “…It would be a whole lot simpler and more rational to just allow the American people to directly elect the president,…” Not so simple as it seems. Since we are still counting votes, we would still not know who is the president today. Also, if the popular vote were to be the process, alone, then candidates would spend their time in the 4 or 5 major states and the big cities. The fly-over country would probably not count for much. Just as the big cities in many states override the votes in the rural areas, same would happen with big cities & states overriding the rest of the country. (probably would find people returning from the dead in many democrat precincts about this time also :))

  • Bobby

    Wake up you all.
    Trumps already doing the back stroke on stuff he promised in all his speeches.

  • John

    George Soros I am sure is offering every person who is supposed to vote for Trump one million dollars cash! This elections as you say is not over lets just hope enough Americans have integrity!

  • Deplorable Twister Jones

    I may be wrong but if the electoral college is to meet on the second Wednesday of December, then for 2016 that date is December 14th not the 19th as referenced in the article. If I am not understanding correctly please don’t beat me up over it. I just misunderstood.

    I’m not trying to start anything, I voted for President Trump and what ever date it is I hope he is my president because the Hildabear will never be recognized as nothing but a sickening lowlife criminal in my household and I am being polite here.

  • Bruce

    This is written after the fact and we now know that Trump has won. However, it appears that Clinton actually won the popular vote. My point is this EVEN if it meant my candidate would have lost I strongly think that the popular vote should be the deciding vote. Screw the electoral college crap. Who ever gets the most votes wins PERIOD! It should be just that simple.

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