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The Federal Government Owns 61 Percent Of Idaho, 64 Percent Of Utah And 84 Percent Of Nevada

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Did you know that the federal government owns 28 percent of all land in the United States?  Today, the feds control approximately 640 million acres of land, and after decades of very poor management, many are calling on the states to take a larger role.  This is particularly true in the 11 western states where the federal government collectively owns 47 percent of all land.  East of the Mississippi River, the feds only own 4 percent of all land, and there is no reason for such a disparity to exist.  In Connecticut and Iowa, the federal government only owns 0.3 percent of all land.  Such an arrangement seems to work very well for those states, and so why can’t we dramatically reduce federal land ownership in the western states as well?

Of course the federal government will always need a very small amount of land for certain national purposes, and nobody is disputing that.  According to the Heritage Foundation, the following are the primary purposes that federal land is being used for…

These holdings include national parks, national forests, recreation areas, wildlife refuges, vast tracts of range and wasteland managed by the Bureau of Land Management, reservations held in trust for Native American tribes, military bases, and ordinary federal buildings and installations.

We will always need to have some land set aside for those purposes.

But does the Bureau Of Land Management really need more than 247 million acres?

Does the Forest Service really need more than 192 million acres?

Does the Fish and Wildlife Service really need more than 89 million acres?

If the feds were doing a good job, that would be one thing, but in so many instances federal land managers have gotten an extremely bad reputation.  The following comes from an article by Sue Lani Madsen

For example, federal land is exempt from state noxious weed control laws, and lack of weed control has earned federal land a reputation as a bad neighbor. Frustrated local federal land managers are hindered by layers of internal regulations and restricted funding that make timely response to weed outbreaks difficult.

And thanks to mismanagement by the feds, wildfires tend to spread very rapidly in many areas owned and controlled by the federal government.  At this point more than 2.6 million acres of land have already burned in 2017, and that is close to 30 percent ahead of last year’s pace.

If you have never lived in a western state, it may be difficult for you to imagine just how frustrating it is to have the federal government in control of vast stretches of your state.  In so many cases the feds simply do not care about local issues or concerns, and when they drop the ball there is often very little that can be done about it.

According to Ballotpedia, the federal government owns more than 28 percent of the land in 12 different western states…

Washington: 28.5 percent

Montana: 29.0 percent

New Mexico: 34.7 percent

Colorado: 35.9 percent

Arizona: 38.6 percent

California: 45.8 percent

Wyoming: 48.1 percent

Oregon: 52.9 percent

Alaska: 61.2 percent

Idaho: 61.6 percent

Utah: 64.9 percent

Nevada: 84.9 percent

Here in Idaho, we are glad to have so much public land because it is a wonderful thing for hunters, fishers, hikers and those that enjoy other outdoor activities.

So we want to continue our tradition of having wide open spaces that are owned by the public – we just want the federal government to hand over the keys and leave.

We believe that Idaho land should be owned by the people of Idaho, and we believe that Idaho’s natural resources should be managed by the people of Idaho.

Those that are against transferring ownership of federal land to the states often argue that it would be too expensive for the states to handle

Paying for wildfire protection alone—it accounts for about half of the U.S. Forest Service’s annual budget of $6.5 billion—would burden Western taxpayers, says the Center for Western Priorities, a conservation group.

States would be forced to raise taxes or sell off iconic national properties to developers or other private investors in order to pay for everything the federal government does now—from complicated tasks like enforcing environmental regulations and maintaining cultural and historic resources to simple ones like putting up road and trail signs.

But one study found that it is actually profitable for states to manage their own public lands.  Here is more from Sue Lani Madsen

A 2015 study by the Property and Environment Research Center, a free-market environmental think tank, consistently found state-managed land provided a return on every dollar spent while federal lands managed by the U.S. Forest Service and Bureau of Land Management cost more to operate than they return in revenue.

At the end of the day, this is just another area where we need to readjust the balance of power between the states and the federal government.  Our founders intended to create a system where the states had much more power than the central government, but instead that has become totally flipped around.

Today, it is almost as if the 10th Amendment does not even exist.  Most of the time the federal government treats state governments as little more than puppets, and very few state governments have the backbone to stand up for themselves.

As conservatives, we need to start standing up against the costly federal mandates that are imposing such a financial burden on our state governments.  We want control of our own laws and our own budgets.

It is also time for the feds to get off the backs of our farmers, our miners, our loggers and our ranchers.  Some of the most abusive federal agencies, such as the EPA, need to be shut down entirely.

And if our local communities do not want to take Islamic refugees from the Middle East, they should not be forced to do so by the federal government.  Here in Idaho, three young Islamic refugees raped a 5-year-old girl, and yet the federal government does not seem to care about our outrage.

Recently, I have been talking to so many people that just want the federal government to leave us alone.  Instead of solving our problems, most of the time the federal government is the problem, and things would be so much better if the feds would just stay out of our business.

 
  • aldownunder

    California: 45.8 percent
    I think I know someone that’s going to tell us what an excellent job the Federal Gov. is doing in this state

    • SoCalBeachDude

      California has always worked very cooperatively and successfully with the federal government to achieve the best possible land management practices with state and federal land here in California.

      An excellent example is the new California Water Tunnels which have now received their first approvals from the federal wildlife agency.

      Federal agencies give initial approval to California’s giant water tunnels

      SAN FRANCISCO – U.S. wildlife officials gave crucial first approval Monday to California Gov. Jerry Brown’s decades-old ambitions to build two massive tunnels that would re-engineer the water system in the nation’s most populous state.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal-agencies-gives-initial-approval-to-californias-giant-water-tunnels/2017/06/26/4e526684-5aae-11e7-9b7d-14576dc0f39d_story.html

      • Deborah Mitchell

        Of course California works with the federal government. CA is a disaster. They have no choice. You have been completely deluded by the liberal talking heads, and the Washington Post is one of them.

        • aldownunder

          I hope you’ve got a spare couple of hours
          You have no idea what you just started

        • SoCalBeachDude

          California’s economy is now the 6TH LARGEST ECONOMY IN THE WORLD after moving up from being the 8th largest economy in the world.

          California is now the sixth largest economy in the world, surpassing France thanks to a robust state economy and the strength of the U.S. dollar.

          California was the world’s eighth-largest economy as of last year, according to Irena Asmundson, chief economist of the California Department of Finance.

          “California did exceptionally well in 2015,” said Asmundson. “Lots of sectors did well.”

          California is home to diverse strong economies, including Silicon Valley and Hollywood. Manufacturing has performed well, as has the agriculture sector, despite a severe drought, said Asmundson.

          The nation’s most populous state has outpaced the rest of the U.S. on job growth. Its gross state product was $2.46 trillion, with 4.1 percent of state growth this year in real terms, according to the state’s finance department.

          http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/18/california-is-now-the-sixth-largest-economy-in-the-world-overtak/

          • Jorma

            What about the state debt and your finances, your pensions weaknesses, your infrastructure that Sacremento ignores like the dams, and the big one, your fresh water which doesn’t exist.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            California’s state budget is in SUPERB CONDITION and its debt is very low relative to the $2.5 trillion of GDP in the State and is among the BEST MANGED states in the US financially. The State does not ignore water issues at all and is highly focused on those matters and has now built a complete replica of the Oroville Dam in order to test all possible repair scenarios for that matter.

            California is now DROWNING IN EXCESS WATER with our lakes including Lake Tahoe NEAR CAPACITY and water is being dumped as fast as possible as the record snow melts accelerate. There are still massive amounts of snow all over California and the huge fear is for MAJOR FLOODING.

            Now, we’re having MASSIVE IMPENDING LAKE OVERFLOW articles such as:

            12 billion gallons of water pour into Lake Tahoe amid this week’s heat wave

            http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Lake-Tahoe-filling-up-snow-melt-run-off-Sierra-11242256.php

            Thank heavens we have the Pacific Ocean very close to drain scores of billions of gallons of water into and that we have built the largest and most effective storm drain system in the world over the past 50 years! Let’s just hope it’s big enough to handle the massive amount of unwanted and unneeded water here in California.

          • South Texas

            But CA built no more dams in a long time. Instead, morons voted for governor Moonbeam who loves ‘duh-versity’ except in his neighborhood and wants to build a bullet train to nowhere.

            I can’t figure weather SoCalBeachBum is really that stupid or just a troll. It’s clear he has no real job.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            California is a SUPERBLY MANAGED STATE under the excellent leadership of our fine Governor Jerry Brown and it is a vastly larger and more important state economically than Texas which lags far, far behind California’s economy.

          • awb22

            he’s both, a stupid troll. prolly a retired teacher, or some other union pensioner.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Nope. And that comment is flagged.

          • South Texas

            Yep! If he is so smart, maybe he can explain why Toyota moved from CA to Dallas, TX. I’m sure it’s because CA always scores so high in national surveys on business friendliness. I’ve been to central and southern CA; nice weather and great food. A nice place to visit but would not want to live there.

          • Desert rat

            Too bad its economy may crash due to unfunded pensions.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Laughably false.

        • SoCalBeachDude

          I take it you don’t live here in beautiful and prosperously California and know absolutely nothing about our glorious state.

          • GSOB

            She’s talking about the state of your state..

          • SoCalBeachDude

            California is in SUPERB CONDITION from a financial standpoint and is running a very nice surplus these days, thanks to stringent control of expenses and increasing state personal income taxes to a marginal high of 13.2% a few years ago.

          • kfilly

            Yes, sure they are. It is a race to be the first state to declare insolvency. Illinois just inched ahead of California. As soon as California implements their single payer health care, I will give their crown of crashing first.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            What utterly false and bogus nonsense.

            Gov. Jerry Brown approves a $183 billion state budget, though a few details are unfinished

            Gov. Jerry Brown on Tuesday signed into law a $183.2-billion budget, a spending plan with significant boosts for public schools and a variety of programs to help California’s most needy residents.

            While the blueprint depends on a series of other related bills that haven’t reached his desk, Brown’s action largely ratifies the plan approved by the Legislature and ensures the state will have a budget in place for the new fiscal year that begins Saturday.

            “This budget provides money to repair our roads and bridges, pay down debt, invest in schools, fund the earned income tax credit and provide Medi-Cal health care for millions of Californians,” Brown said in a written statement released by his office.

            The budget boosts total state and local spending on K-12 education and community colleges to $74.5 billion, roughly $11,000 per pupil in the coming school year. It also increases funding for the University of California and Cal State University systems, and provides additional money for preschool and child care programs.

            Brown and lawmakers agreed to devote a portion of new tobacco tax dollars to higher payments for doctors and dentists that treat patients in Medi-Cal, the state’s healthcare program for the poor. Divvying up the dollars generated by last fall’s Proposition 56 was among one of the most contentious issues during spring budget negotiations.

            The budget sets aside additional money in the state’s rainy-day reserve fund, growing the contingency account to $8.5 billion.

            http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-gov-jerry-brown-approves-a-183-1498583088-htmlstory.html

          • Desert rat

            The single payer health care plan was shelved this budget cycle. Not enough money to fund it.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Nor will there ever be and that notion is a very stupid idea.

          • BS1986

            California looks like a third world country in some places

          • kfilly

            Correction…California is a third world country in some places.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Absurdly false.

          • kfilly

            Do you get tired of up voting your own comments? Detroit is practically a third world city. You are telling me parts of LA are not bad off. You are telling me everyone in places like San Fran are doing ok. I call BS as there most definitely is a lot of wealth disparity which is a sign of a third world rat hole like Mexico.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Detroit is a very minor issue in the US and its problem are ALL LOCAL and caused by the people in Detroit itself and are none of the concern of the rest of the USA.

            Wealth disparity is a very good thing and the more the better. Only a few fine folks ever deserve to enjoy great wealth.

          • kfilly

            You really have no clue. You are pathetic. Chicago, Baltimore, Philadephia, Cleveland are just a few cities that are going due to socialist policies. Small problem, eh. I could probably add a lot more cities to that list.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            So what? What business is that of yours? You want total STATE DETERMINATION and then are arguing that you want to control how other people in other cities and other states behave? Don’t you comprehend how TOTALLY CONTRADICTORY those positions are? If those cities wish to fail, then SO WHAT? That is their problem. Let them learn the hard way and then maybe they can start fixing themselves. Same with the entire state of Illinois.

          • Gay Veteran

            actually Baltimore is hurting because “capitalists” shipped so many jobs to China, etc.

          • William Lutz

            You’re a good person, but you’re out of touch.

          • vegas_dan

            In most of the populated areas.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Laughably false. Get a clue, dude.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Absolutely false.

          • BS1986

            HAHAHA East LA. Stockton. South Central. Eastside San Diego.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            What is in any way wrong with any of those areas? All of San Diego is lovely and Stockton is a very nice middle class town. Even South Central LA has plenty of very nice homes and streets.

          • BS1986

            HAHA OK, see those lies work on others BUT Ive actually been there and you and I both know the roads suck, BUT I was referring to the crime.
            Stockton is broke.
            LA County-More gangs than any other part of the country.

          • BS1986

            Lets not forget the homeless in San Fran and LA HAHA really do you want to go there?
            BUT I hope san fran suffers so I’m ok with their decline.

          • Gavincurtis

            California IS a 3rd world country in some places.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Absolutely false and extremely stupid and totally bogus assertions.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            No, it most certainly does not anywhere.

          • BS1986

            Yes it does robot.

  • SoCalBeachDude

    Perhaps the federal government should put up all of that land for auction on eBay starting at $1 per acre to help reduce the federal debt of $20 trillion!

    • ultraman

      Heck, if they own all that land their Real Estate Taxes would have to be ENORMOUS……we should have a surplus !

      • SoCalBeachDude

        The federal government is a PUBLIC INTEREST ORGANIZATION JUST LIKE LEGITIMATE CHURCHES and is EXEMPT FROM PAYING ANY LOCAL PROPERTY TAXES.

        • ultraman

          Yet once again, the simple sarcasm directed at our elitist govt goes totally over your head. As far as our Fed Govt ( in reality ) being a “public interest organization”…….well……..hmmm.

          Chill dude, & have a drink.

          DISCLAIMER: the directly above sentence assumes you are over 21 years of age.

    • GSOB

      Typical banker statement

    • Jeri Brace

      I think the Chinese want it for payment for all the trillions we owe them since Washington hasn’t much Gold to give & the Chinese definitely don’t want our worthless Dollar currency.

      • SoCalBeachDude

        Absolutely FALSE and extremely bogus and totally delusional and stupid assertions.

        The government of the PRC owns very little of the US government debt amounting to only about $1 trillion which is about 6% of the total outstanding US government debt and they have no special rights over any over any other owner of the US government debt. Moreover, it is paid to the Chinese IN FULL UPON MATURITY EACH YEAR on those bills, bonds, notes, and TIPS that mature each year, just like to all other holders.

        Are you not aware that the US Treasury issues more than $7 trillion in NEW US TREASURIES EACH YEAR for periods of 30 days to 30 years and that all US Treasuries that mature in a given year are PAID IN FULL TO THEIR HOLDERS which is where about $6 trillion of the new US Treasury proceeds go each and every year plus around $1 trillion net added for the $1+ trillion of net new federal debt?

        Most other currencies are NOT TIED (PEGGED) TO THE US DOLLAR AT ALL and FREELY FLOAT IN THE FX (Foreign Exchange) markets. One of the few currencies that is very tightly pegged to the US dollar with very minimal float (+/- 2% float) is the Chinese renminbi (RMB / Yuan) which is the most egregiously overprinted currency in the world.

        China has increased the renminbi money supply by more than $30 trillion over the past 10 years from less than $3 trillion to now more than $34 trillion – and has done so ALL ON THE BACK OF THE US DOLLAR AS TO THE VALUATION OF THE RENMINBI.

    • Deborah Mitchell

      That is ridiculous. Land has a finite supply. Only desperate people sell their land.

      • SoCalBeachDude

        Land is sold all the time to other parties all over the USA. Wake up, dear.

    • kfilly

      No, they are just going to steal your IRA’s, have bank bail-ins, and confiscate other valuable assets held by the serfs. Obama signed MYRA into which a plan to take people’s IRA’s. Why don’t you move to Venezeula if you love socialism so much? It is working out really well there.

      • SoCalBeachDude

        Absolutely and ludicrously false assertions.

        • kfilly

          You must have missed what they did in Cypress a few years back. You think they will not do it again and on a much grander scale. I am laughing at your ignorance.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            That little localized banking issue in Cyprus was a one time thing and has not been repeated and was quite necessary given the situation that had developed in Cyprus back then.

            The banking failures in Ital and Spain are now being handled superb by central banks and the ECB this summer in the EU with no losses to depositors ta all. Get a clue, dude or dudette.

            Italy winds up Veneto banks at cost of up to 17 billion euros

            https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eurozone-banks-italy-veneto-idUSKBN19G0LD

            Italy giving 5.2B euros in resources to keep 2 banks open

            The Italian government on Sunday made 5.2 billion euros ($5.8 billion) of resources immediately available to keep operative two banks that the European Central Bank has deemed “failing or about to fail,” sending them into insolvency procedures.

            https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/italy-giving-52b-euros-in-resources-to-keep-2-banks-open/2017/06/25/fbae8b50-59f0-11e7-aa69-3964a7d55207_story.html?utm_term=.8e1e96874f6e

            Involvent Italy ‘guarantees’ savers’ accounts in 2 troubled banks

            http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/italian-pm-guarantees-savers-accounts-troubled-banks-48253114

          • kfilly

            Yep, all those superb bankers are really representing the little people. Boy, you are stupid. They are the enemies of humanity.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Laughably false. Do you not have bank accounts? Do you barter thingies for goods? Where do you come up with such clueless nonsense on financial matters?

          • Desert rat

            That “little localized banking issue in Cypress” was no “little thing”. Just take people’s money to cover the deficit? Who says it is a one time thing? No one knows. It can happen again.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            That was a totally contained little incident as to the banks in Cyprus and is of no relevance whatsoever to banking elsewhere.

  • SoCalBeachDude

    States need to start working cooperatively with the federal government to achieve the best possible land management along with innovative new ideas for the federally owned land in each state. California Governor Jerry Brown does just that here in California and we are reaching new milestones of success all of the time as a result of Jerry’s cooperative and highly intelligent approach in working with the federal government.

    It would be wonderful if Jerry Brown decides to run in 2020 as the Democrat choice for the President of the US which he would be almost totally be assured to win in both the Primary and in the Electoral College and then we could work together to achieve a much better country and political system that we are sadly suffering under these days with endless stupidity and discord and ridiculous polarization at ever juncture of the political process.

    • GSOB

      You are sounding more and more like a communist.

      • SnodtBlossom

        At least he doesn’t sound like a fool like you do.

        • awb22

          At least he doesn’t sound like an a**hole like you do.

          • SnodtBlossom

            you came out of your momma’s a**hole

          • awb22

            Aww, that’s so cute.

        • MathCapitalist289

          Whether or not you support capitalism, read one of his comments, wherein he wrote, and I quote, “For the love of money is the root of many evils…. The word of God does not stretch the truth there…”

          I would say that silly line is indicative of a closet communist. As I said, one need not agree with me to realize he is simply choosing his fights carelessly.

          • SnodtBlossom

            you are all ad hominem weenie boys

          • awb22

            making you a what, weenie girl

          • SoCalBeachDude

            I don’t know who are talking about, but I personally never made any such comment.

      • SoCalBeachDude

        I’m merely presenting an extremely bright and wonderful future scenario for all Americans which may indeed come true as early as 2020.

        • GSOB

          extremely?

    • Nancy Crenshaw

      ‘The trouble with our liberal friends is that they know so much that isn’t so’.

      • SoCalBeachDude

        Such as?

    • vegas_dan

      Keep dreaming moron, Jerry Brown would do worse than your hero Hitlery.

      • SoCalBeachDude

        Jerry Brown would be a SUPERB President.

        AS to Hellery, LOCK HER UP ASAP.

  • JC Teecher

    This article is just the type of information that Patriots like reading about, and learning more truths.
    As a Constitutionalist Patriot, after a Biblical Christian, I can relate to many of the aspects of Federal Intrusiveness, and out right over reach of power.
    The EPA needs to be gutted and replaced just as badly, or maybe worse, than Obamacare.

    I will spell out a scenario where there might just be an area that should not become state controlled. It has to do with state owned property and the abuses that come with oversight by the NC Wildlife Agency.

    A few years ago, I was deep into Horses and Hay Making Operations.
    A tract of land near our house in the rural section of the county, not the mountains, went up for sale. After about nine months, there was no activity and the Land for Sale sign, from a different realtor was up. After researching and finding that the land was originally an estate inheritance site that registered about 35 acres, with 80% in pasture land, which was fenced with old barb wire, and was good laying land for haying. After contacting the Realtor on the property, I was informed that the land had been sold, and that the State of NC was the registered owner, and I had to contact someone at the State Capitol for information on a possible lease.

    After many phone calls and getting a lot of run around, like it was some kind of secret, I finally got in touch with a gentleman that informed me that the land was purchased with tax dollars from the sale of personalized license plates, and was under protection because of a supposed rare and protected bog turtle.
    I jumped through hoops and hurdles, and endless wait times on the phone, and eventually had to make a written proposal for use of the property for a hay operation. I was denied use, or lease, because of the impending placement of the property into Supervision by the NC Wildlife Agency. and no such activity could be allowed on said protected land; as well as non hunting activities, or access to the public.

    The next year a couple that was active with the bog turtle people, coincidentally had horses, and deep pockets with connections, were doing hay operations on the property and had keys to the gate. The next year a private bird hunting group had keys and access, and used the land to set out birds and hunt with their dogs.
    Land bought with taxpayer dollars, supervised by State employees that are paid with taxpayer dollars, but used for the benefit of a handful of connected people, while being off limits to public use. Crooked, and corrupt. BTW, the land was purchased from the family estate for nearly a quarter of a million dollars. The tax value for the land was originally, about $1800.00 an acre. the estate inheritors made out like bandits.

    So, states can be just as bad, or worse, in some situations, as the Feds.
    At least with the Feds, the land can be enjoyed by the American public from all states, for certain activities.

    • SoCalBeachDude

      The federal government is not the least bit intrusive and is the owner of that land and can manage it however it so desires with Congress the ultimate party in control of all federally owned land.

      • GSOB

        Everyone will be held accountable for the things they have done, good or bad.

        • SoCalBeachDude

          When you are dead, dude, you’re dead.

          • GSOB

            You wish that were true.
            Your soul departs your body when the body dies.
            Where you, that is, your soul, will be for eternity – should be of most interest to you.

            You are not interested, and that is why the bible depicts fallen sinful man as the walking dead. He walks away from the Lord of life.

            Sinners have none the least desire to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, who alone satisfies God’s justice for us.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            What utter nonsense, and 77% of the world’s 7.5+ billion people totally reject and have no interest whatsoever in your religion so your proselytizing is pointless.

      • kfilly

        Spoken like a true slave on the good old government plantation.

        • SoCalBeachDude

          You sound like a hillbilly rabble rouser who is as clueless as they could ever come.

          • kfilly

            You sound like a Marxist loser.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Why are you so obsessed with Groucho? Or is that Karl or one of the other Marx bros?

          • kfilly

            Good comeback. You got me on that one. Oh, you are probably more of an Antonio Gramsci follower. My bad.

    • SoCalBeachDude

      Killing any birds should be a felony federal crime.

      • aldownunder

        How about cuckoo birds

        • SoCalBeachDude

          All birds are lovely and wonderful creatures and I am very much a bird person.

          • aldownunder

            Yes very closely related to the cuckoo bird I would imagine

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Cuckoo Birds – Wikipedia

            The cuckoos are a family of birds, Cuculidae, the sole taxon in the order Cuculiformes. The cuckoo family includes the common or European cuckoo, roadrunners, koels, malkohas, couas, coucals and anis. The coucals and anis are sometimes separated as distinct families, the Centropodidae and Crotophagidae respectively. The cuckoo order Cuculiformes is one of three that make up the Otidimorphae, the other two being the turacos and the bustards.

            The cuckoos are generally medium-sized slender birds. Most species live in trees, though a sizeable minority are ground-dwelling. The family has a cosmopolitan distribution, with the majority of species being tropical. Some species are migratory. The cuckoos feed on insects, insect larvae and a variety of other animals, as well as fruit. Some species are brood parasites, laying their eggs in the nests of other species, but the majority of species raise their own young.

            Cuckoos have played a role in human culture for thousands of years, appearing in Greek mythology as sacred to the goddess Hera. In Europe, the cuckoo is associated with spring, and with cuckoldry, for example in Shakespeare’s Love’s Labours Lost. In India, cuckoos are sacred to Kamadeva, the god of desire and longing, whereas in Japan, the cuckoo symbolises unrequited love.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuckoo

          • aldownunder

            Maybe just drop the bird of that

          • GSOB

            You an ornithologist?
            I bet you eat turkey.

          • TOUJOURS DEMAIN

            If you like birds you have to be a good person. My wife is also a bird lover.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Birds are wonderful and I have a beautiful cockatiel and an African Gray Parrot.

        • Orac4Prez

          Someone had to bring up Hillary Cinton again…

      • JC Teecher

        If you raise quail or pigeons, you can shoot all you want, anytime you want.
        Doves have a seasonal limit. I have eaten dove, but I have never killed one. A bird that makes such a pleasant sound, and mates for life, I can’t bear the thoughts of killing.
        Quail, pheasant and mountain grouse, are some of the best tasting birds on the planet, and I have no problem shooting one out of the sky. Or off the ground which is usually the case with grouse and wild turkey. Wild Turkey tastes pretty good, especially the breast if it is deep fried.

        • SoCalBeachDude

          So, in addition to all of your other severe shortcomings you are a BIRD MURDERER.

          • JC Teecher

            Yep and proud of it. I don’t kill birds of prey or scavengers. Only what I eat and what God has said I can kill for meat.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            You pathetic BIRD MURDERER. There is no forgiveness at all for such a heinous sin.

          • CASTIEL

            ohhhhh…….What a tragedy

          • GSOB

            You worship the creature and think nothing of the Creator….. how backward is that?

          • aldownunder

            So you don’t eat chicken or turkey?

          • SoCalBeachDude

            No.

          • aldownunder

            Are you vegetarian?

          • SoCalBeachDude

            No. I eat seafoods, beef, and pork all of which fit into a wonderful California Cuisine.

          • billtheguy

            JC, I think you found the button.

          • CASTIEL

            Dont lose time with that idiot………I almost laugh to death when he called you bird murderer….lol…..Those left retards….

      • Desert rat

        See above. CA windmills for energy.

    • awb22

      Do you have an address? I would like to get this information to some people.

      • SoCalBeachDude

        Try: Hillbilly in Dirt Floor Shack, Appalachia, USA

  • LIZ THE SHIZ

    no worries, the Chinese will buy all that excess land in order to make their invasion plans from within our borders , sum ting wong !!

    • SoCalBeachDude

      With what? Nearly all capital movement out of China has been brought to a complete halt by the government of the People’s Republic of China. Are you not aware of that?

      China finally halts outflows. Now what?

      https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-04-10/china-finally-stems-capital-outflows-now-what

      • aldownunder

        Maybe (but I doubt it ) that’s the first time you’ve posted that link and we haven’t learnt that yet……..oh great one

        • SoCalBeachDude

          I’d suggest you catch up with news on the PRC which is the EPICENTER of the global financial collapse.

          • GSOB

            Thanks to the Federal reserve bank and all those other countries that did the same central banking for their fiat currencies and tied to fiat dollar….. FIAT is more than just a car…

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Most other currencies are NOT TIED (PEGGED) TO THE US DOLLAR AT ALL and FREELY FLOAT IN THE FX (Foreign Exchange) markets. One of the few currencies that is very tightly pegged to the US dollar with very minimal float (+/- 2% float) is the Chinese renminbi (RMB / Yuan) which is the most egregiously overprinted currency in the world.

            China has increased the renminbi money supply by more than $30 trillion over the past 10 years from less than $3 trillion to now more than $34 trillion – and has done so ALL ON THE BACK OF THE US DOLLAR AS TO THE VALUATION OF THE RENMINBI.

            The so-called “gold standard” was just a very brief 60 year failed experiment in the US from 1873 until 1933 at which time it was totally discarded for any domestic purposes and all gold bullion confiscated and made illegal.

            All currencies are backed by the current and future assets and current and future labor and productivity of the citizens of the issuing country and the US is by far the largest single country economy in the world with an $18 trillion GDP with no other country even coming close.

            Nothing at all changed regarding the Federal Reserve and/or the US dollar in 1971. Nixon did not “abandon gold” at all. Nixon merely ended the Bretton Woods currency fixed exchange rate agreement which had been in force from 1944 to 1971.

            Nixon had nothing to do with the “gold standard” in the US which had long ago been TOTALLY DISCARDED BY THE US DOMESTICALLY back in 1933 and only a tiny shred of gold nonsense was even left in the form of international bank transaction convertibility which is what was discarded in 1971.

            The US government DOES NOT CREATE US DOLLARS AT ALL, but rather the FEDERAL RESERVE IS THE ONLY ENTITY THAT CAN CREATE US DOLLARS and it is NOT PART OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT which cannot create US dollars.

          • GSOB

            You like to mince words but your words are not final or authoritative on this matter. In other words, …you don’t know even half of what you think you know.
            Nixon took us off the gold backed dollar, in 71, since then it is become as worthless paper, only backed by a verbal promise to pay, not backed by tangible assets..
            You can NOT take the currency paper to the bank and get gold or silver for it. Why is that? Because it is not pegged to the dollar.
            The US currency is ‘fiat’ because it is not backed by ‘real money’. It is created out of thin air. America will collapse and so will any nation who’s government and central bank prints fiat currency.

          • awb22

            That’s right, and those who speculate in fiat currency have the market rigged. Anyone with a crystal ball could become filthy rich. The fiat currency ponzi scheme is no different. End the Fed, repudiate the Debt, and you still have $200T of unfunded federal obligations, so there will be pension reform, at least in a sane world.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            From the years 1793 until 1933 the price of gold was mostly very stable at around $20.00 per ounce and then the fixed price of it was increased to $35 per ounce by the US government in 1933. It stayed relatively stable at around $35 per ounce until late 1971 when gold bullion was allowed to be traded in the commodities markets.

            At that stage gold became an EXTREMELY VOLATILE SPECULATIVE COMMODITY with huge price increases and huge price plunges and that is where it remains today and is now 4 years into the biggest price plunge that gold will have ever seen historically when that finishes. The last massive price plunge down cycle for gold lasted 22 years from January 1980 until late 2001 during which time it plummeted 70% in price.

            At any price above $456 per ounce gold is preposterously overvalued and that speculative froth will rapidly be blown off the top.

            THE ISSUE IS THE PROPER PRICE OF GOLD.

            An array of reasonable historical metrics can be used to establish the proper price of gold, including:

            1) Its historical mean which would put gold right around $456 per ounce

            2) Its 16:1 historical ratio against silver which would put gold right around $266.08 per ounce based on silver being around $16.63 per ounce

            3) Its inflation adjusted price today from its last stable historical price of $35 per ounce in 1971 which would put gold right around $400 per ounce.

            4) Its current official US government price of $42.22 per ounce which is how the approximately 8200 metric tonnes of US government gold are valued:

            http://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/fsreports/rpt/goldRpt/current_report.htm

            The Federal Reserve couldn’t give the slightest hoot about gold as it is a trivial little collectible niche commodity that has ZERO FINANCIAL RELEVANCE and has a total value of less than $7 trillion for all of the gold that has ever been mined, and about 70% of which is in the form of jewelry widely dispersed around the world.

            All currencies are backed by the current and future assets and current and future labor and productivity of the citizens of the issuing country and the US is by far the largest single country economy in the world with an $18 trillion GDP with no other country even coming close.

          • MathCapitalist289

            The more gold the government has, the less private investors have; therefore, it may be concluded that, assuming gold is valued asset (it is), it would allow the government to destroy more private property rights. Any ‘property’ concentrated in gov’t, accessible or not is stolen property, expropriated from the creators.

            Taxation is a form a institutionalized thievery; ergo, so is the gold standard, assuming it is typical ‘redeemable on demand’ system, is far inferior to the ETF/physical gold/futures trichotomy.

            To look forward is to begin a new reality, one fueled by the exponential growth of innovation and not the exponential decay of ancient practices, such as the State itself and dogma disregarding capitalistic truth.

          • South Texas

            US dollar is also a petrodollar thanks to our ‘friends’ in the ME.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            There is no such thing at all as the “petrodollar” as oil accounts for less than 7% of the annual global use of the US dollar which is used in around 83% of all global transactions for all sorts of goods and services around the world

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Nixon did not “abandon gold” at all. Nixon merely ended the Bretton Woods currency fixed exchange rate agreement which had been in force from 1944 to 1971.

            Nixon had nothing to do with the “gold standard” in the US which had long ago been TOTALLY DISCARDED BY THE US DOMESTICALLY back in 1933 and only a tiny shred of gold nonsense was even left in the form of international bank transaction convertibility which is what was discarded in 1971.

          • MathCapitalist289

            This logic about apparently convincing attacks on money and its greatness and productive power are burdensome, yet amusing. Pseudoscience and socialism, justified by perfectly legitimate religious beliefs is interesting to compare to this, from what I call fantasy mathematics:

            Find the general solution to the differential equation, (dy/dx)=2y+5cos(4t).

            1. dy/dx – 2y = 5 cos(4x)

            let µ(t) = e^∫-2x dx

            3. BIPPITY BOPPITY BOO, a miracle occurs!

            2. e^-2x * (dy/dx) + d/dx(e^-2x)y = 5 * e^(-2x) cos(4x)

            3. ∫d/dx (e^-2x * y) dy = ∫5 * e^(-2x) * cos(4x) dx

            4. e^-2t * y(t) = (-1/2)e^(-2x) * (cos(4x) – 2 sin(4t)) + c

            5. (e^-2t * y(t)) / (e^-2t) = ((-1/2)e^(-2x) * (cos(4x) – 2 sin(4t))) +c / (e^-2x)

            37. BIPPITY BOPPITY BOO, a miracle occurs!

            7. -(1/2)cos (4x) + sin (4x) +c * e^2t .

    • JC Teecher

      According to some reports, Odrama sold off Yellowstone to the Chinese gov, in order for them to not completely cash out of the US debt.

      • aldownunder

        Maybe not such a bad thing if you read the article on M’s other site…….There Have Been 296 Earthquakes In The Vicinity Of The Yellowstone Supervolcano Within The Last 7 Days 06/18/2017

        • JC Teecher

          Yea, it is due. That is why I am having reservations about moving out to Montana to my friends ranch. I love the back country there with all the deer/elk, and grizzly bears, as well as the superb trout fishing, but that ever looming possibility of Yellowstone erupting has me hesitant.

          • aldownunder

            Does sound great though

          • JC Teecher

            It is great, and there is nothing like standing atop the Continental Divide of the Rocky Mountains, and then hiking through mountain sides, where no man has ever walked before.
            I once found my self at a cave opening with a slick path into it, and no way out except the slick worn path of which I softly stalked in by. Talking about feeling small and close to God, boy I was. The day before, I pizzed off a Grizzly by walking through his front yard, and he roared his warnings as well. Adrenaline rush X 10. Loved it.

            Two years later an outfitter was trying to locate a wounded deer with his client, and came upon the same rock cliff and was warned by a screaming full grown Mountain Lion, which was probably a mother with cubs in that very same cave den. the outfitter, nor his Dad (outfitter) before him, had ever been in that rough area and never knew about the Lion’s Den, even after 50 years of outfitting there.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            That sort of nonsense would never happen in Beverly Hills, California, where people actually have some common sense and do not deal with such gross creatures.

          • JC Teecher

            No they just deal with gross qu33rs that carry and spread around dozens of parasitic diseases, and deadly AIDS. But, you would know all about that.
            Burn fag6ots!

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Flagged as reprehensible.

          • JC Teecher

            Be my guest, cause you are the very slime that keeps America on it’s toes, as we have to ward off the filth of your Beverly Hills privileged, likes. Soon that junk from the Hills of Beverly will be just history, and probably under the Pacific where it belongs, with it’s sin city sister Follywood.

            You reap what you sow, obi wan.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Sickening nonsense and stupidity from you.

          • Gay Veteran

            get back on your meds, pharisee

      • SoCalBeachDude

        Absolutely FALSE and extremely bogus and totally delusional and stupid assertions.

    • Desert rat

      Or will buy it and build solar panels on it like the land out of Las Vegas, NV.

  • Taos61

    So what would you have the govt to do?Turn over all lands to people to breed feral litters of humans and dump garbage all over it?It needs to be controlled as we humans are some of the filthiest beings on the planet.Offgriders and Daniel boone types would still head to Costco for their needs.

    • SoCalBeachDude

      Indeed. Keeping lands pristine and free of people is one of the great benefits of federal government ownership of those vast amounts of lands in the West.

      • Orac4Prez

        Perhaps Washington, DC and the suburbs outside the beltway should become a national park. That way it could become “free and pristine”

      • kfilly

        States can do the same thing…..

        • SoCalBeachDude

          So what? They don’t own the federal land so that is an entirely moot point.

          • kfilly

            The point being is that federal government is not supposed to own any land that is non-essential tk the works of the government. How are national parks essential to the government’s operation? The land should be turned over to the states. However, you seem to like the all powerful federal government.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Absolutely false. If the US Constitution (also known as the goddam piece of paper) does not specifically prohibit something then it is perfectly permissible.

          • kfilly

            Well, what I just said summed it up, but you have that reading and comprehension problem.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Not me, but YOU have a severe reading and comprehension problem as is highly evident from all of your incoherent and dead wrong assertions.

    • Desert rat

      The land belongs to the states not the Federal Government.

      • SoCalBeachDude

        Absolutely false. Where do you come up with such utter nonsense? FEDERAL LANDS BELONG TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT regardless as to which state in which they happen to be located.

        • Desert rat

          The Constitution.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            The US Constitution has nothing whatsoever to do with federal ownership of land in the United States.

          • Desert rat

            Actually it does.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Then, show me exactly what clause of the US Constitution has anything whatsoever to do with your bogus assertion.

        • Deborah Mitchell

          He means that those lands within the states border’s are rightfully the state’s property.

          • Stuey

            Exactly, that totally went over drugheaddude’s head….wonder why?

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Your cluelessness and lack of comprehension are just mind boggling.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            No they are not, and neither is any property that you own within any state “the state’s property.”

      • awb22

        Unfortunately, since the end of the civil war, that no longer applies.

        • Gavincurtis

          Nailed it!

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Absolutely false and utterly inane and laughably bogus assertions. The IRS in the USA is A DIVISION OF THE US TREASURY and has nothing whatsoever to do with any other country.

            Each and every year the Federal Reserve rebates more than 94% of its profits to the US Treasury just as it has done for every year of its 103+ year existence. The member banks are all US banks and receive a 6% annual dividend and there are around 6,000 member banks in the United States.

            Who owns the Federal Reserve?

            The Federal Reserve System is not “owned” by anyone. Although parts of the Federal Reserve System share some characteristics with private-sector entities, the Federal Reserve was established to serve the public interest.

            The Federal Reserve derives its authority from the Congress, which created the System in 1913 with the enactment of the Federal Reserve Act. This central banking “system” has three important features: (1) a central governing board–the Federal Reserve Board of Governors; (2) a decentralized operating structure of 12 Federal Reserve Banks; and (3) a blend of public and private characteristics.

            The Board of Governors in Washington, D.C., is an agency of the federal government. The Board–appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate–provides general guidance for the Federal Reserve System and oversees the 12 Reserve Banks. The Board reports to and is directly accountable to the Congress but, unlike many other public agencies, it is not funded by congressional appropriations. In addition, though the Congress sets the goals for monetary policy, decisions of the Board–and the Fed’s monetary policy-setting body, the Federal Open Market Committe–about how to reach those goals do not require approval by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branches of government.

            Some observers mistakenly consider the Federal Reserve to be a private entity because the Reserve Banks are organized similarly to private corporations. For instance, each of the 12 Reserve Banks operates within its own particular geographic area, or District, of the United States, and each is separately incorporated and has its own board of directors. Commercial banks that are members of the Federal Reserve System hold stock in their District’s Reserve Bank. However, owning Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System.

            https://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/about_14986.htm

          • Gavincurtis

            Your fake reality is about to implode. The writing has been on the wall for some time. The federal reserve is a private group. The only people that are lawfully to pay federal income tax are federal employees. However, through scare tactics; everybody pays federal tax. Goes to the IMF and is parceled out with some going back to the country of origin, this case the USA. I cannot believe how blind people are to globalism and who-what is behind it. All USA currency since 1913 is owned and controlled by a foreign bank that charges us interest. Even Obama has come forward with this. He stated more than once we need to raise our debt ceiling (increase our credit line) or else the government would shut down. We do not make or control our own currency. This is an absolute fact. That 20 trillion dollar debt can never be paid back. Each war torn nation is removed from its conventional native currency and once a member of NATO, receive loans to rebuild their nation from the IMF/World Bank with interest. That is they are enslaved forever. The goal is a singular global currency, not necessarily a bad thing if the people in control have good intentions. What will happen is WW3 or other false event will trigger a final financial breakdown. A new one-world currency will be made mandatory. Greenspan, zebrinski and number of other high level financial advisors have mentioned this as well. The financial state of this nation is dire, with and estimated 40+% of the people on some form of government financial assistance/welfare, the outlook is grim. It cannot sustain itself. If you really did some deep research beachdude, you would see the big chesssgame taking place on earth. The nations we are about to go to war with are ones that do not wish to become members of the world bank, including Russia.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Hardly, but you are sure living in a pile of TOTALLY FAKE DELUSIONS, dude. Sad.

            The Federal Reserve is the CENTRAL BANK OF THE USA and has NO FOREIGN OWNERSHIP OF ANY SORT WHATSOEVER and your assertions in that regard are as fake as a $3 Euro.

            The Federal Reserve does not own any federal lands which are all OWNED BY THE US FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. How can you possibly confuse things such as you do?

      • Eileen Kuch

        You’re right. Desert rat. According to the US Constitution, the Federal Gov’t’s land holdings are limited to the 10 square miles of DC, as well as military installations .. The rest of the public lands belong to the States and to the people, and that hasn’t changed.

        • SoCalBeachDude

          Absolutely false, and utterly inane and laughably bogus assertions.

    • Deborah Mitchell

      No. Turn it over to the state to manage and keep the user fees and land leases out of the corruption of D.C.

      • SoCalBeachDude

        The federal government OWNS THOSE LANDS and certainly is not going to turn them over to states at all. As to user fees and land leases the fees on all of those should be at lead quadrupled by the federal government to help with its current massive deficit and debt situation including charging all miners 80% of the value of their proceeds for any gold mined on federal land.

  • kfilly

    I guess the federal government has a lot of munition stockyards, forts, and shipyards. Those are the only reasons besides the 10 square miles of Washington DC the federal government should own any land according to the Constitution.

    • SoCalBeachDude

      The US Constitution says nothing whatsoever about federal government ownership of land in the United States.

      • kfilly

        You must like communist zoning laws. Article Section 8 towards the end must certainly does mention the scope of what the federal government should own. Unless you consider national parks to be useful buildings.

        • SoCalBeachDude

          Zoning laws are ESSENTIAL to orderly development of all properties. Cities that have failed to use them such as Houston, TX are now a hodgepodge of disconnected and incoherent development as a result of failing to establish and strictly enforce zoning laws. The US Constitution has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with federal government ownership of any properties in the USA.

      • Desert rat

        Exactly! If it is not in the Constitution, it shouldn’t happen!

        • SoCalBeachDude

          What utter nonsense. The US Constitution (also eloquently referred to by former President George W. Bush as that “goddam piece of paper”) is a MERE FRAMEWORK. I supposed you are of the opinion that because the US Constitution does not discuss automobiles, computers, and electronic money – or toilets – that all of those should also not exist.

    • JC Teecher

      In all reality, we the people own the land, but The Fed gov stole the deeds and control of it.

      • kfilly

        The people in the US do not own a thing. Slaves are not allowed to own property. Your home ownership is an illusory form of ownership as property taxes nake you a neo-fuedal serf (property tax is rent to the government). Your vehicle registration makes sure you do not fully own those (failure to pay and itbleads to citations/cventually confiscation). It is probably one of the reasons the Founding Fathers were against direct taxation. Heck, you do not even own your kids after you apply for a marriage license through the state. That is why the state can come and take kids out of homes for their “protection”.

        • SoCalBeachDude

          What totally false, utterly bogus, and delusional nonsense. The American people own more than $95 trillion in household assets in the USA based on current asset valuations.

          Property tax is charged on all properties by local governments with a few exemptions such as the federal government and legally recognized churches and universities.

          How on earth do you think states and local governments PAY FOR SERVICES BUT FOR CHARGING PROPERTY TAXES TO PAY FOR THOSE SERVICES?

          • kfilly

            Where did I say states and local governments should not charge taxes? You like direct taxation which was strictly FORBIDDEN under Constitution. Property taxes and income taxes are direct taxes.

            How much of the $95 trillion is held in fiat? Yeah, you do not own that either comrade. Watch how fast the government confiscates those electronic funds. Zoning laws are another one of Marx’s ideas. I see why you like them especially your post about Jerry Brown. You must like servitude and slavery.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Absolutely false. LOCAL TAXES HAVE ALWAYS BEEN LEVIED ON PROPERTY IN THE US to fund state and local services. The US Constitution does not prohibit taxes as you falsely assert at all and the 16th Amendment was ratified and adopted to pave the way for the federal income tax after the federal tax collection efforts with liquor and tariffs became totally unable to fund the growing federal government back in 1916. The Federal Reserve Act had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with income taxes which are taxes levied on incomes by the US Treasury. You appear to be hopelessly confused.

            As to the total US money supply, there are fewer than $1.3 trillion physical printed US dollars within the total $3 trillion of M1 (cash and checking accounts) metric and there are a total of $13.5 trillion in the broadest MZM measure of money supply in the US. The $95 trillion in total assets cannot be cashiered out as the total US money supply is a fraction of that amount.

            Zoning laws are ESSENTIAL to ensure orderly and appropriate development in local communities.

          • kfilly

            You are so brainwashed it is not even funny. Let me explain it to you. The Constitution specifically states there shall be no direct taxes. A direct tax is unavoidable. That would include income taxes, and property taxes. People need to earn a living and have a place to stay. The 16th Amendment changed that. You should research how that amendment fraudulently got ratified (as in it was illegally passed). That enable direct taxation. There was no property tax before that, and if there was, it was in direct violation of the Constitution. Once again, try reading things.

            You also stated the income tax and the Federal Reserve Act are not related. They are interconnected. Your debt based (socialist) monetary system is stealing from everyone. Long story short, your income tax goes to help fund transfer your wealth to the global 1%. The global 1% then gives the sheep crumbs. Once they tac enough people out of the middle class, they will turn indoctrinated dummies like you loose. You will all ve fighting for your “fair share”. They call it communism. It is really economic slavery.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Absolutely false. The US Constitution says no such thing at all as you bogusly assert. The federal government does not charge property taxes at all, and those taxes are LEVIED BY COUNTRIES IN THE 50 STATES OF THE USA and have nothing at all to do with the federal government. Based on your total cluelessness, I must ask “ARE YOU EVEN AN AMERICAN AND DO YOU LIVE IN THE US?”

          • SoCalBeachDude

            There is no “interconnection” whatsoever between the Federal Reserve Act and the later enacted federal income tax laws.

          • Gay Veteran

            “…You like direct taxation which was strictly FORBIDDEN under Constitution. Property taxes and income taxes are direct taxes….”

            PROOF please regarding state property taxes

          • Gay Veteran

            “…You like direct taxation which was strictly FORBIDDEN under Constitution. Property taxes and income taxes are direct taxes….”

            How are state property taxes unconstitutional?

            16th Amendment allows U.S. income taxes.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Absolutely correct, GV.

          • Desert rat

            Indirect taxes not direct taxes.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            The 16th Amendment to the US Constitution fully allows federal income taxation. I’d suggest you read it.

        • JC Teecher

          Correct you are, as God owns everything including our souls. The only thing we own is what He gave us, which is His Grace, Love, and Freewill.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            False, and laughably so!

        • Gay Veteran

          “…you do not even own your kids after you apply for a marriage license
          through the state. That is why the state can come and take kids out of
          homes for their “protection”.”

          uh, no, because they will take kids being raised by UNmarried people too

      • SoCalBeachDude

        Absolutely false. The federal government did no such thing at all and people like you never owned a single drop of any of that land. It was originally owned mostly by AMERICAN INDIANS before it was seized through “wars” by the US government or purchased from other countries such as France as is the case of the Louisiana Purchase and the State of Alaska.

        • JC Teecher

          As a descendant of Cherokee through my Matriarchal great grandmother x 3, I do have a right, but I can’t change history and make up stuff just to try and prove I am right and the ultimate authority like you do. Get a life and get real. The American Indians got a raw deal, but the House of Israel was destined, by God, to become the inheritors of North America. It is biblical, but isn’t taught by ignorant preachers. You are just like the African americans that bash the white man that started this Nation, but if not for them, most, if not all, African americans of today would be still living in huts, and scraping the earth for enough of anything to fill their bellyies, while trying to escape animals that want to eat them in their native homeland of Africa.
          So, they need to get over it and knock those “entitled” chips off their shoulders. and straighten up and live without all the hate. Stop supporting the demoncrats that only want their vote, and return to God of whom they will personally all face one day soon and have to repent for all the support for the murder of their own in the death chambers called Planned parenthood.

          Those that crossed the line of civility in regards with the Native Americans will have their day, on Judgment Day, and receive everything they have coming to them, good and bad. In the 1800’s my Patriarchal grandfathers were compassionate to the Cherokee peoples and even married into the bloodline, as my great aunt was considered a full Cherokee, and owned 1000 acres in side the Cherokee Reservation of the Appalachian Mtns. she was a midwife and compassionate person, that helped many of her people, while raising 10 children of her own. They were considered great people of their time, as well as great grand pappy that lived there as well.

          But, in your mind, you are way “superior” to them. But it will be a different story when you kneel down before your Creator, and give an account, ole boy. I hope I get to witness the tears, and watch as there will be no “jeers”, from your quivering lips, as the hammer is about to fall on your head.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Oh, you poor dumb thang. My sympathies.

          • JC Teecher

            You mock now, like your ole Anti-christ bud Carl, but you pukes will see reality, and it will not be that far out, either.
            God is just, and the unjust will have their day, just as every dog does.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            You are a rude, crude, sorry POS. My sympathies for such pathetic souls as you. Here in BH, California, such people are regarded as nothing other than TPT.

          • JC Teecher

            Don’t need or want your sympathies, as you are just a pawn used by me for the ability to reach others with my responses. some people actually like truth and understanding. You played right into my hands, and it feels good.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Once again, you poor dumb thang. My sympathies. Perhaps you can convince the conservators of the Biltmore Estate in that trashy town of Asheville to enable you to move your dirt floor shack onto their grounds like Granny’s shack in the back of the Beverly Hillbillie’s home in BH!

          • aldownunder

            Totally inappropriate comment that should be DELETED

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Why? It is 100% true and correct.

          • aldownunder

            You superiority complex never ceases to amaze me

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Your disregard for the true facts never ceases to amaze me!

  • JC Teecher

    The gov of today is 180 degrees in the opposite direction of the founding Fathers and the early Fed gov. 99.9% of the Funding Fathers put God and His laws, above man’s. In fact most of our early laws were worded directly after the Mosiac laws…. for civil living…all 613 of them.
    The 10 Commandments that liberals want to do away with, were considered Moral laws, and were intended for the bad people. Good and Godly people were not supposed to need the ten, as they knew right from wrong and had no desire to go outside the bounds of Gods governance.

    • Carl

      God was also the purveyor of the first zombie apocalypse.
      Matthew 27:52-53.

      “Good and Godly people were not supposed to need the ten, as they knew right from wrong and had no desire to go outside the bounds of Gods governance.”

      OH Really then why the ole I’m just a sinner nonsense from all these christians who do terrible things to people? Apparently god’s laws are NOT good enough to keep people on the straight and narrow.

      As I have said there is no power in a christians conversion if they are able to continue to sin as the unsaved heathens do.

      If you were really a christian teecher and the holy spirit has injected itself into your very essence then you would have no desire to sin and would be incapable of doing so.

      YET you do still sin (you have posted as much in other comments) and know you are capable of doing so even with the holy spirit in you. So what is the point?

      • GSOB

        Acts 4:12
        Romans 8:13

    • SnodtBlossom

      there is no god

    • SoCalBeachDude

      Laughably false and utterly bogus assertions.

      • JC Teecher

        You are as anti-American as a jihadi that does not know his arzz from a hole in the ground. The separation of Church and State isn’t even in the US Constitution. It is based on the First Amendment and, It reads:

        “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”.

        It was precisely explained by Thomas Jefferson for the church of the day that was worried about gov mandating a particular religion, like had been done by other governments, but especially Monarchies, in the past.
        The reverence of/to, God and His laws, and the doctrines of Jesus Christ, is “not” a religion, it is a way of life that all peoples should adhere to; as anything veering away from the Divine Trinity is either a form of Idolatry, which breaks the first of the Ten Commandments, or is Atheism, which is just as bad, and will bring about the same results on Judgment Day…..Death of the Soul, into the Lake of Fire.

        Sadly for you and snottly, you liberals will figure this out one day, but again, that day may be too late and you are goners by then. Many would like to see you pukes as goners, but; for me, I just feel sorry for your sorry azzes.

        • JC Teecher

          I see the atheist, and the “great Accuser” aka spawn of Satan, has reared his ugly head just after snottly. I will not waste another second trying to make sense to a blooming idiot that is just a ball of nonsense, and a sick, hateful, individual, that has a rude awakening coming his way soon.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            You are a self-admitted BIRD MURDERER which is one of the worst things anyone could ever be in America. Not to mention an INCREDIBLE HYPOCRITE in attempting to defile the US Constitution and Bill of Rights with your religious proselytizing.

          • JC Teecher

            suck it up, heathen, and like it.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            I’d suggest you stop handling snakes, dude.

          • GSOB

            What he wrote, minus the garb, is true. Christianity had denominations back then and so they wanted to stay clear from a particular Christian ‘church’ denomination.
            Don’t keeping make your ignorant mistake, Christianity is America’s religion, and it was spreading and desired….
            Today… folks inject their polytheistic paradigm to that day, as to mean that all religions is what America was founded on.

            I hope that you’ll soon realize,… that you are being played by Satan and held captive in his God – hating kingdom?

            You love birds yet hat God…
            Romans 1:30

          • SoCalBeachDude

            No, there was NEVER A NATIONAL RELIGION IN THE USA nor was there ever intended to be any national religion at all.

          • Desert rat

            I love birds! Sad to see the windmills in CA chop them up.

          • SnodtBlossom

            no.. IIIII am spawn of Satan

          • SoCalBeachDude

            !!! JCT’s blowhard nonsense gets awfully tiring and patently ridiculous very quickly!

        • SoCalBeachDude

          As to Tommy Boy, that jackass sure didn’t practice what he preached.

          Speaking of maxed out on credit, that sure was the case with Thomas Jefferson.

          Thomas Jefferson was one of the most fiscally profligate DEBTORS in the US at the time of his death and he died owing $107,000 which was a MASSIVE DEBT at the time when his entire Monticello plantation was worth only $4,500 and that he stiffed creditors to the tune of more than $100,000.

          “Because Jefferson died more than $107,000 in debt, his daughter Martha Jefferson Randolph and her son and financial manager, Thomas Jefferson Randolph, found it necessary first to sell nearly all of the contents of Monticello and then to sell the plantation itself. In 1827, the furniture, animals, farm equipment, and slaves were offered at an executor’s sale. In 1831, James T. Barclay, a local apothecary, purchased the home and 552 acres for $4,500, less the value of his own home.”

          http://www.monticello.org/site/house-and-gardens/monticello-house-faq

          Deadbeat Tommy was nothing but a bankrupt debt binger and financial fraud and certainly a TOTAL HYPOCRITE to be making any comments on money or finances.

          • GSOB

            You are a sinner that desperately needs salvation… and don’t even know it!
            That’s the real tragedy, and there is no one else to blame but yourself.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Hardly, but rather that describes YOU.

          • MathCapitalist289

            I am a capitalist (as you may have noticed), and a Christian; I am not one of those who act in such a supercilious manner and do not emulate the ideas in the New Testament. Some paleo-commies (the correct name for paleoconservative cave dwellers) are obsessed with Old Testament, viewing the stories not as a representation of God, but as a law set in stone. Look at some of the man made laws; they are akin to other religious books that receive much criticism.

          • Stuey

            I find it interesting how you name call and put down the founding fathers. I seen you did the same to George Washington last week. If not for all these men, there would be no USA and you wouldn’t be living your privileged life in Beverly Hills. Instead of demeaning them you should be thanking them everyday. If not for George Washington’s leadership in the Revoluntary War the USA wouldn’t exist. You aren’t half the man George Washington was in bravely and you aren’t to the level to throw his urinal pot out everyday.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Nearly all of the founders of the USA were very corrupt and lawless hooligans and many of them were SLAVE OWNERS including Deadbeat Tommie and Georgie. The USA would have continued on just fine as a COLONY OF THE UK just as Canada has done without the reckless intervention of those hooligans and today we would be part of the UK and have a lovely Queen as our head of state if not for those horrid hooligans back in 1776.

          • aldownunder

            Surely you don’t believe that dribble

          • SoCalBeachDude

            What I stated is 100% correct, and the USA would be a vastly better country today in every respect if it has graciously and properly remained a colony of the UK just as Canada faithfully and graciously did.

          • Stuey

            WOW, what a statement by you. I hope everyone sees this one. Why don’t you just move to the UK then if it is so great.

            Oh btw, you do realize there was slavery in Britian and British citizens ran some of the biggest slave trading ships in history. Calling the founding fathers “hooligans”, you should be deported for that. But go live in the UK, they are getting over run by a religion i am sure would treat you very well. When the transformation is complete, there won’t be any royal family.

    • GSOB

      ?? The law shuts the mouth of everyone and conducts us to Christ. Without the law, there is no knowledge of indwelling sin. There is NO ONE GOOD, no… not one.
      Your theology is skewed.

  • Bill

    Now you sound like a representative.

    • SoCalBeachDude

      Representative of what?

  • A.S.

    There is a reason why the whole west is more than 50% Federally owned. Think 1849. That is where all the gold came from during the gold rush that still has not ended, as there is still a lot more of it to be found. If the the Federal government owns the land, they own the gold. But why own gold if they use the Fed’s worthless fiat money? The answer is China and other creditors of ours. One day the USD reserve currency scam will end. Countries like China will demand payment on both principal and interest in one shot or else they will dump our bonds (or worse: war). Our response will be “We don’t have the money, which you know is worthless anyways. How about giving you a state like Nevada as payment? As you know Nevada still has a lot of gold in it, but you will have to mine it, as our stupid environmental laws make it unprofitable to mine it. As a bonus, you will gain over one million slaves for free that will become your citizens. Please don’t nuke us over this and accept this offer.” So Nevada will become New China. Utah will become New New China. And so on…until countries like China own the whole US West coast. Did I mention that they already have a Chinese city in the U.S. already? If this sounds too far fetched, prove me wrong.

    • SoCalBeachDude

      The so-called “gold rush” in California in 1849 was a very brief moment of EXTREME STUPIDITY AND GREED in the history of America which was very quickly forgotten and had no relevance whatsoever in the history of the USA.

      • A.S.

        Only gold and silver is real money, not the monopoly money printed by the Fed.

        • SoCalBeachDude

          Laughably false. Those sorry little tiny little niche fungible commodities have NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH MONEY OR CURRENCY and are worth less than 1% of total global assets which now exceed $700 trillion in the world.

          The US dollar is the ULTIMATE AND MOST PERFECT CURRENCY IN THE WORLD and will be so for the foreseeable future with no other currently even remotely able to challenge the supremacy of the USA dollar which is SOARING UPWARDS IN PURCHASING POWER against little junk commodities such as gold and silver which have PLUMMETED 36% against the value of the US dollar in the case of gold and 70% against the US dollar in the case of silver over the past 6 years.

          • A.S.

            The only reason why the USD is so far relatively strong is because we can make war on other nations and no one will stop us. That is why we really went into Iraq, to stop them from selling oil denominated in Euros. If the USD is strong, the one printed by the Fed, why is that we had a recession every 7-8 years since the creation of it? However, the Fed promised to stop exactly that; to normalize the business cycle and prevent recessions. I still never heard a logical answer to my question.

          • kfilly

            Do not ask him tough questions that go against the communist ideology.

          • Stuey

            Exactly…..all you will get is double talk, name calling and insults back if you do.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            The so-called “California Gold Rush” was an extremely brief 7 year period of time lasting only from 1848 to 1855 at which time all of the easily discoverable gold totally ran out.

            As Wikipedia states, “The California Gold Rush (1848–1855) began on January 24, 1848, when gold was found by James W. Marshall at Sutter’s Mill in Coloma, California. All told, the news of gold brought some 300,000 people to California from the rest of the United States and abroad. Of the 300,000, approximately half arrived by sea, and half came overland from the east, on the California Trail and the Gila River trail.”

          • SoCalBeachDude

            What totally nonsensical BS.

          • kfilly

            You have defended every single one of Marx’s 10 Planks of Communism I have railed against. If it looks like a communist, sounds like a communist, and acts like a communist, it is a communist.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Absolutely false and extraordinary stupid assertions. Are you talking about Groucho or Karl or another Marx brother?

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Absolutely false and very stupid assertions. All economies have CYCLES and there is no way the Federal Reserve as the central bank of the US can do anything about business cycles except to attempt to smooth them.

          • A.S.

            Did you even read what I wrote above. The Federal Reserve promised to stop recessions from ever happening again in order for Congress to legalize them. Read up on its history.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            That is an absolutely laughable assertion on your part! The Federal Reserve DID NOT EVEN EXIST prior to the passage and signing into law of the Federal Reserve Act so obviously could not have ever promised such a thing and that ridiculous notion you are calling a “promise” is NOT SOMETHING THAT IS EVEN EVER POSSIBLE for a central bank to do. Helloooooooooooooo?

          • kfilly

            You should read the Constitution. Gold and silver coins were supposed to be the only currency. However, you like your debt based monetary system which brings about inflation (theft of your wealth). PS-All fiat currencies return to their intrinsic value over time which is zero.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Absolutely false. The US Constitution says ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL as to a national currency for the USA.

          • kfilly

            Congress was granted the power to COIN MONEY. It specifically said COIN MONEY and not allowed to print money. You should take a course in reading and comprehension. Paper currency existed back then, and yet they still used a specific term other than print.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Absolutely false and extremely bogus and stupid assertions. The US Constitution said no such thing at all. Go read it.

            Gold has nothing whatsoever to do with money at all and the only relationship of that fungible little niche collectible commodity is that it costs far too much money but that is rapidly changing as its price continues its plunge from its record high nearly 6 years ago in 2011.

            Article I Section 8 of the US Constitution SAYS NOTHING WHATSOEVER ABOUT ANY METALS IN REGARDS TO MONEY contrary to your bogus assertions.

            Nowhere in the US Constitution including its amendments is anything stated whatsoever regarding the form of money and currency of the federal government of the USA.

            The only reference in the US Constitution at all to metals is in Article 1 Section 10 of the US Constitution which ONLY APPLIES TO STATES regarding the creating and form of currencies and has NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ITSELF.

            What you fail to understand is that in the United States the ONLY LEGAL TENDER FORM OF CURRENCY IS US DOLLARS and that gold and silver are NOT ACCEPTED AS ANY FORM OF CURRENCY AT ALL FOR A FLOATING COMMODITIES VALUE.

            The only extent to which gold and silver coins may be used in the US is with legal tender US Mint coins for their STATED NOMINAL FACE VALUES which in the case of a 1 oz. silver American Eagle is $1.00 and in the case of a 1 oz. gold American Eagle is $50.00.

          • kfilly

            You are dumber than a rock. At least, the rock does not utter stupidity and claim moral superiority. Yes, the Constitution granted Congress the power to Coin money. Gold and silver coins were common back then. You might also have to use a little logic and common sense, but they probably removed that from you in state indoctrination.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Hardly, but that sure does describe you and the rock you are stuck under. The US Constitution placed no restraints at all on the use of paper or electronic currency.

        • Mr.Cipher

          Ever try paying your grocery or electric bill with gold?

    • Deborah Mitchell

      It happened before the discovery of gold. In 1812, the Govt Land Office was created to manage public lands in the west, including surveying, sales, leases and homesteading. Then in 1909, the U.S. Forest Service was created and given charge over 19,000,000 acres. The remainder stayed with the GLO who continued collecting fees for grazing and royalties from mining. In 1946, the Bureau of Land Management was created.

      Since most western states were created after 1912, they were subject to the existing GLO laws. What conservatives want is to see the states manage the public lands within their own borders. Why should the royalties and use fees go to Washington D.C. instead of staying within our own state? Who can more efficiently manage local land–federal bureaucrats or local agencies?

    • SoCalBeachDude

      The so-called “gold rush” here in California was only a VERY SHORT LIVED FAD where the only ones who got rich were the people selling equipment to the miners. The surface gold very quickly ran out and that dumb mania totally ended and nearly all mining shut down here in the State of California. Today there are only about 13 active gold mines in the entire State of California and nearly all such mining is prohibited.

      Gold BELONGS IN THE GROUND and work very hard to ensure that it stays in the ground here in California.

  • Stuey

    Maybe the federal government should sell a lot of this land and use the proceeds from the sale to pay down the national debt.

    • SoCalBeachDude

      Yes, but they wouldn’t be able to get much in the way of proceeds for it even if they allowed unrestricted use of the land. Presently, the use of federal lands is typically prohibited or highly restricted.

  • Stuey

    Quote from the article “Our founders intended to create a system where the states had much more power than the central government, but instead that has become totally flipped around”——–i agree with this statement as far as the founding fathers. But the sad reality is, the Civil War decided otherwise. The large central govt. side won over states rights in that war and the rights of the states have decreased ever since. At this point, basically there are NO rights of the states that the federal govt. doesn’t approve of. If the federal govt. doesn’t like what a state is doing they just withhold money and the states get in line. So while many talk about state rights, at this point there really isn’t any and this massive land ownership by the federal govt. is just more proof of this.

  • mister_roboto

    Well, I can’t help but notice that the section where the Fed Gov owns so much of the land is the part of the country that is least hospitable to long-term human settlement. I can see how some people would rather the state governments own that land, if the amount of government-owned land is going to be that high a percentage of a given state’s total area.

  • steven454

    Any state with a property tax for land ultimately owns 100% of that land. If you have to pay taxes on your land then you don’t really own it – you rent it – as the state can take it from you for non-payment of those taxes. Give me an income tax, or a sales tax, but get property taxes out of my face.

    If something can be taken away from you then you don’t really own it.

    • Lois Petersen

      I totally agree with you steven454. Property taxes should be outlawed.

      • SoCalBeachDude

        What utter nonsense. How do you except to FUND LOCAL AND STATE GOVERNMENTS AND SCHOOLS BUT FOR PROPERTY TAXES? You want to abolish police departments, fire departments, libraries, country hospitals, and the like? Really? Seriously?

        • Desert rat

          Indirect taxes not direct taxes

          • SoCalBeachDude

            There is no distinction whatsoever.

    • SoCalBeachDude

      Absolutely false. The owner(s) of those lands are clearly stated on the deeds to those properties. All properties in the USA regardless of where they are located are subject to LOCAL PROPERTY TAXES with certain exemptions such as federally owned properties and churches. Property taxes are used to PAY FOR LOCAL AND STATE SERVICES and anyone who owns or rents property obviously must pay those taxes for those services.

      • Desert rat

        See above.

        • SoCalBeachDude

          The nonsense above was obviously fully rebutted as being nothing but nonsense.

  • Robert Peters

    Although much of the land the feds control are in such desolate locations, where nobody wants to live. Have you ever driven through Utah, Cal. dessert, Nevada? These are some of the ugliest places on earth. Some of the lands are beautiful national parks but even some of them are butt ugly.
    Yeah I think it shows how the Fed has gotten involved in over reach in the later part of last century, but who’s going to take care of these places.

  • William Lutz

    I also despise the fact that the Feds are attempting to grab state and local public lands. It’s unfair and unconstitutional.

    On an Unsolved Mysteries episode, there was a case profiled where a ranger’s home was blown up due to his support of federal land grab. The man’s name was Guy Pence. He obviously thought it was perfectly moral to federally claim local property from ranchers. As a result, some of his local opponents decided to throw a bomb at his home and terrorize his family.

    Anyway, Guy Pence got what he deserved. Anyone who demonstrates support for confiscation of sovereign land should be attacked and dealt with violently.

    • SoCalBeachDude

      No, there is nothing at all “unconstitutional” as to federal ownership of any properties in the United States.

  • BS1986

    UM Texas.
    Utah.
    Montana.
    South Dakota.
    North Dakota.
    1 Country……..NOPE the liberal pretty much destroyed them all.

  • Stuey

    There would be no USA if not for the founding fathers. Of course history could have taken many paths along the way. But it takes founders to have a founding. And for someone like drugheaddude to talk down about them is laughable and utterly stupid.

  • Stuey

    There would be no Bill of Rights if not for the founding fathers that drugheaddude likes to put down and make jokes of when he couldn’t hold a candle to them men or carry their burdens for one second. He has lived a privileged life and i seriously doubt ever been in a battle in his life. So he sits back and talks trash about George Washington, a man who had bullet holes shot all their his overcoat in one battle. A man who rode out in front of his army between them and the other army taking on fire to inspire his men. Like i said, drugheaddude isn’t good enough to carry Washington’s piss. So yeah, he should be deported for his comments. If you think that is bad treatment then you must not keep up with what is going on in the world, like beheading, people burned alive or drowned in cages.

  • Alberto Francis

    i am a fan of our great national parks they are beautiful and property tax should be applied to improve all local community services and infrastructure for the respective town/city you live in. I am OK with those 2 things.

    • SoCalBeachDude

      All federally owned land is EXEMPT for any local taxation.

  • energizedmortal

    Everything is borrowed in life. We will not take anything with us when it is over. Native Americans understood this centuries ago and actually lived. Hunt, eat, dance by the fire, reproduce and sleep.

    • SoCalBeachDude

      That does not change the fact that everything is OWNED BY PEOPLE AND ENTITIES while they are alive and in many cases passed down through generations or held in trusts and corporations.

      • energizedmortal

        What do you think allows the existence of life, the material and ideologies that are passed down through generations to continue or become extinct? Please do find a solution to everything that you have a problem with. I will try to understand you and show you respect. It is okay to want possessions, comfort and power. Some will acquire it through harming others, some through helping others. Some choose lies, I will choose truth and we will see what prospers.

        • SoCalBeachDude

          Huh? What is any of that drivel supposed to mean in the real world?

          • energizedmortal

            It is interesting that you did not even attempt to answer my question. You could have asked what I mean without disrespecting me and calling my humble comment drivel or nonsense. Misunderstanding and disrespect is one of the reasons that there is war and no regard for life and the laws that you defend so literally.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            You obviously didn’t have any legitimate question in any way relevant to this article and were just blathering on in a pile of meaningless word soup. Get a clue, dude.

          • energizedmortal

            The question is totally relevant to this article. What allows con men to claim land and cause financial burdens that decrease our quality of life? Lies, war, fear. What stops them? Enlightenment, courage and rebellion. Many people may pay property tax and follow those laws that you blather, but there are others that do not and accept the labor and consequence of that freedom. You type a good one, we will see how condescending you are when you are forced to risk your life for what you believe in.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Anyone who willfuly VIOLATES THE LAW by failing to pay federal incomes as due and required will quickly find themselves in the federal hoosegow for very long sentences just like was the case with willful tax evader Irwin Schiff, Petie’s daddy, who passed away in the hoosegow before he finished serving his federal sentence.

            As to not paying country (local) property taxes, anyone who does that will simply find their property seized and sold at auctions.

  • Gay Veteran

    bilge

  • Gay Veteran

    well sCarrie you should take in some Muslim refugees, I’m sure it will be perfectly safe

  • warbaby

    Federal Govt has no right to own land in the US. It is in the Constitution.

    • SoCalBeachDude

      Laughably false. There is no such prohibition at all in the US Constitution as to the federal government owning land in any state of the USA.

  • FireAnt

    Those states were never sovereign nations like the original 13. They have no right to federal lands within state boundaries.

  • SoCalBeachDude

    Yes, that would be that same twit, Carrie!

  • SoCalBeachDude

    What laughably false and utterly stupid bogus nonsense.

  • SoCalBeachDude

    Huh? What on earth does that irrelevant GOOGLE AUSTRALIA link have to do with me? Nothing. Obviously. Hellllooooo?

  • SoCalBeachDude

    Religion in Backcountry Appalachia

    Christianity has long been the main religion in Appalachia.

    Religion in Appalachia is characterized by a sense of independence and a distrust of religious hierarchies, both rooted in the evangelical tendencies of the region’s pioneers, many of whom had been influenced by the “New Light” movement in England.

    Many of the denominations brought from Europe underwent modifications or factioning during the Second Great Awakening (especially the holiness movement) in the early 19th century.

    A number of 18th and 19th-century religious traditions are still practiced in parts of Appalachia, including natural water (or “creek”) baptism, rhythmically chanted preaching, congregational shouting, snake handling, and foot washing.

    While most church-goers in Appalachia attend fairly well organized churches affiliated with regional or national bodies, small unaffiliated congregations are not uncommon in rural mountain areas.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachia

  • SoCalBeachDude

    What utter nonsense, dude. Get a clue. The use of the US dollar for oil accounts for less than 7% of all global use of the US dollar for which the primary is the 93% of transactions that have nothing whatsoever to do with oil.

    • South Texas

      You are a exceptionally stupid person and its clear you lack any reading comprehension ability. This system was set by the elite to make the dollar the reserve currency by prodding the ME oil producers to only sell and price their product in dollars. It’s okay, I know its above your head.

      • SoCalBeachDude

        Thank you for describing YOUR OWN IGNORANCE SELF AND COMMENTS so very perfectly. Pitiful. Just pitiful.

  • SoCalBeachDude

    Yep, 100% correct. Particularly true in the truly trashy part of the USA known as the APPALACHIAN REGION where JCT lives!

  • SoCalBeachDude

    California’s debt is VERY LOW RELATIVE TO ITS $2.5+ TRILLION a year economy.

    • Stuey

      Once again, you double talk. You said above when writing about CA, and i quote ” is running a very nice surplus these days,” That is NOT TRUE, CA is adding to it’s debt EVERYDAY. Once AGAIN I have proven you wrong.

      • SoCalBeachDude

        Once again, you are so SIMPLE-MINDED AND CLUELESS that you totally fail to comprehend the actual facts and fail to understand the difference between state budget surpluses and overall debt. Pitiful.

        • Stuey

          I know the difference between debt and an annual surplus. The debt clock, if you bothered to look at it, doesn’t just show the total debt, it ALSO shows how much the debt is going up every second. And the debt for CA is growing every second, so despite what you claim, they DO NOT have a annual surplus or their debt would not continue to INCREASE every freakin second of every freakin day. Can you comprehend anything?

  • awb22

    it figures you’d like sh*tty humor

  • James

    In Connecticut and Iowa, the federal government only owns 0.3 percent of all land. Such an arrangement seems to work very well for those states, and so why can’t we dramatically reduce federal land ownership in the western states as well?

    1. Connecticut is a suburban state with an economy based off of Wall Street rejects, Hedge Funds, and NYC rejects. Thus more land is needed for development.

    2. Iowa is an agrarian state with mid-sized cities such as Des Moines and Cedar Rapids. Thus, Iowa’s agriculture is very land intensive.

    3. Western states have much less arable land while also having lesser population densities. Thus, more land under federal control.

    • SoCalBeachDude

      Connecticut is another state in HUGE FINANCIAL TROUBLE despite having very high taxes.

      Why would anyone in Western States have any interest at all in reducing the amount of federally owned land?

  • SoCalBeachDude

    That has nothing to do with federal government land ownership. Helllloooo?

  • BS1986

    OH yeah name them……Cause I’ve been to the Dakotas and before obozo attacked them wal mart was starting at $15 an hour. Even now they are hanging in there.
    UH no the chasm between the rich and poor was the left(SPENDING) and the FED(PRINTING). The “progressives” are a virus that needs to be eradicated.

  • awb22

    So, you’ve risen to your own level, congratulations!

  • awb22

    jealous, much?

  • awb22

    You assume much, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.

  • BS1986

    YUP, the Dakotas are hurting cause obozo let OPEC cut the price.
    NOPE, the left under Obama printed money like crazy thus cutting the buying power of the dollar.
    They print more, we get to buy less, and we have to work harder to get the same amount of crap-its really quite simple.
    Hence why in 2005 I could get a case of 7.62x39mm for $89.99 and how today that same case is $249.95. Its the reason why a gallon of milk was $2.50 and is now $4.50.
    Its called inflation and its a factor because obozo printed money to make the economy look good under him.
    I HATE IT when libtards like yourself site the Bible and Jesus’s teachings when most of you don’t even believe in him. IF YOU DID homos wouldn’t be getting married……..

  • BS1986

    MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA AW you tried to lie, I looked it up and proved you wrong……..its ok I accept your apology.
    AND No I’m right on the religion thing too, you leftist are a cancer needing to removed from America., The destruction you cause has real consequences whether its a broke Detroit or Illinois.
    OBOZO(hussain obama) doubled down on the national debt and is responsible for the financial catastrophe about to take place in the USA.
    As I said I always find it funny when liberals(like you) cite the bible when your political party voted to not use it in their platform-I saw that live by the way……..it was fun to watch, doesn’t believe in it OR likes to attack Christians for their beliefs. Homo marriage wouldn’t have survived a nationwide vote that’s why they had the supreme court pass it and FORCE it on us.
    Call it hate but judgement will come and you will suffer as will the followers of homosexuality-tough to accept but its not accepted in the bible, get over it.

  • BS1986

    OHHHHHHHHHHH the indian Reservation………that’s your tool for propaganda? CAUSE THE Indians are under the control of themselves and the FEDS, most are on welfare and addicted to drugs/booze cause uncle sugar hands them everything.
    OR did you forget that little part of it? The FEDS run them and are responsible for the 86% jobless rate-wonder if hussain obozo apologized for putting them in that situation.

  • BS1986

    The more you deny it the more I know its true………fine with me by the way.
    No they are true, the economy will dip before 2018 comes around cause they cant keep this going, the proxy war we are losing in Russia that obozo started is just the beginning and will have serious consequences.
    “but I fully believe that you do know it’s your type of toxic Christianity that’s responsible for decent people leaving the church”-NOPE its popular culture poisoning the minds of the people into believe homosexuality should be accepted.
    I’m ok with it though, the world deserves what’s about to come its way. The punishment is near.

  • BS1986

    YES and you are too stupid to see my point of NOT even counting the indian reservations in the poverty scale because they are run by the FEDS and since they are Indians DO NOT COUNT to me. The 86% doesn’t exist except for federally controlled land that the private sector has no say in-so it doesn’t count.
    Hussain Obama(His Name libtard) caused the rest of the hardworking Dakotas to go downhill.
    How am I phony by not compromising my beliefs to appease Hollywood, lib-tards or dumb-o-crats? Yeah I’m the phony because I know its wrong and wont attempt to compromise that HAHA you really are dumb. Sit down? I’m not a homo-so I can sit down just fine.

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