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The Level Of Economic Freedom In The United States Is At An All-Time Low

Photo by U.S. Senator Mike LeeAmericans have never had less economic freedom than they do right now.  The 2014 Index of Economic Freedom has just been released, and it turns out that the level of economic freedom in the United States has now fallen for seven consecutive years.  But of course none of us need a report or a survey to tell us that.  All we have to do is open our eyes and look around.  At this point our entire society is completely dominated by control freaks and bureaucrats.  Our economy is literally being suffocated to death by millions of laws, rules and regulations and each year brings a fresh tsunami of red tape.  As you will see below, the U.S. government issued more than 80,000 pages of brand new rules and regulations last year on top of what we already had.  Even if we didn't have all of the other monumental economic problems that we are currently facing, all of this bureaucracy alone would be enough to kill our economy.

Yes, every society needs a few basic rules.  We would have total chaos if we did not have any laws at all.  But in general, when there is more economic freedom there tends to be more economic prosperity.  In fact, the greatest period of economic growth in U.S. history was during a time when the federal government was much smaller, there was no Federal Reserve and there was no income tax.  Most Americans do not know this.

Those that founded this nation intended for it to be a place where freedom was maximized and government intrusion into our lives was minimized.

If they were still alive today, they would be absolutely horrified.  We are literally drowning in red tape.

The photo posted below was shared by U.S. Senator Mike Lee on his Facebook page.  Study it carefully...

Photo by U.S. Senator Mike Lee

The following is what he had to say about this photo...

"Behold my display of the 2013 Federal Register. It contains over 80,000 pages of new rules, regulations, and notices all written and passed by unelected bureaucrats. The small stack of papers on top of the display are the laws passed by elected members of Congress and signed into law by the president."

I didn't even see the small stack of paper at the top of the cabinet until I read his explanation.  Most of the time everyone is so focused on what Congress is doing, but the truth is that the real oppression is happening behind the scenes as unelected federal bureaucrats pump out millions upon millions of useless regulations that are systematically killing our economic freedom.

On Tuesday, an article about the 2014 Index of Economic Freedom was published by the Wall Street Journal.  As I mentioned above, the United States has fallen for seven years in a row...

World economic freedom has reached record levels, according to the 2014 Index of Economic Freedom, released Tuesday by the Heritage Foundation and The Wall Street Journal. But after seven straight years of decline, the U.S. has dropped out of the top 10 most economically free countries.

That same article mentioned some of the reasons why the United States is falling...

It's not hard to see why the U.S. is losing ground. Even marginal tax rates exceeding 43% cannot finance runaway government spending, which has caused the national debt to skyrocket. The Obama administration continues to shackle entire sectors of the economy with regulation, including health care, finance and energy. The intervention impedes both personal freedom and national prosperity.

And of course the results are predictable.  Our economy has been steadily declining for many years, and that decline appears to be ready to start picking up speed once again.  The following is an excerpt from a recent article by Dave in Denver...

In the latest retail sales report for December, auto sales were nailed - down 1.8%. The only reason overall retail sales from November to December showed a slight "gain" that November's number was revised lower. Electronics fell off of a cliff. The housing market is about to get crushed. Feedback I'm getting from my Seeking Alpha articles and blog posts on housing from housing market professionals all around the country tells me that the housing market hit a wall at the end of 2013, as I have been forecasting.

What he said about the housing market is definitely true.  In recent months, mortgage originations have been falling like a rock.  Just check out this chart.

And as I wrote about the other day, there has been absolutely no employment recovery since the end of the last recession.  In fact, 1,687,000 fewer Americans have jobs today compared to exactly six years ago even though the population has grown significantly since then.

Unfortunately, these are not just "cyclical problems".  Long ago we abandoned the fundamental principles that once made our economy great, and now we are paying a tremendous price for that.

Posted below is a story that has been circulating all over the Internet for quite some time.  It is a fake story.  Once again, let me repeat that.  This is a fake story.  But I think that it does a great job of illustrating what is happening to America as we march toward full-fledged socialism...

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama’s socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, “OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama’s plan”.. All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A…. (substituting grades for dollars – something closer to home and more readily understood by all).

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

The second test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F. As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed. Could not be any simpler than that.

But of course it would be disingenuous to pin all of the blame for this just on Obama.  The truth is that our nation has continued to march toward socialism no matter who has been in the White House and no matter who has been in control of Congress.  So if you want to place some of the blame on a "Bush" or a "Clinton" or a "Boehner" or a "Pelosi" please feel free.

And the American people are getting sick and tired of this one party system that has two heads.  According to a recent Gallup survey, only 29 percent of all Americans consider themselves to be Democrats right now.  And the news was even worse for Republicans.  According to that survey, only 24 percent of all Americans consider themselves to be Republicans at this point.

A staggering 45 percent of all Americans now consider themselves to be Independents.  Deep down, most Americans know that something is seriously wrong with our nation and that they are being lied to be our politicians and the mainstream media.

Unfortunately, there is very little agreement about how to fix things because Americans do not have a set of shared values that we all agree on anymore.

So what do you think?  Do you believe that you know how to fix things?  If so, please feel free to share your plan by posting a comment below...

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  • hillbilly

    Well how about we start with going back to the constitution. How this country was supposed to be with strong biblical morals. It would be nice to see of the people for the people by the people in my lifetime!!

    • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

      What do you think the odds are of that happening?

      Sadly, most Americans have rejected the values that this country was founded upon.

      Michael

      • Mondobeyondo

        Somewhere between slim and none, and slim just left the building.

      • xander cross

        Values of this country. You mean having slavery for 400 years is your idea of values? The same founding fathers that owned slaves against their will?

        • Mondobeyondo

          I think where Michael is coming from, is that the Founding Fathers were not without their flaws. Absolutely not. There were a GREAT deal of human injustices in this new country at the time they were alive.
          But they were smart enough to allow changes to the Constitution. That’s why we have amendments.

        • Guest

          Get over it! Stop living in the past. The hatred that rules you will eventually consume you! The past is done. You were not there nor we’re you part of it.

          • Guest

            ***were

          • xander cross

            I bet you don’t say that about white people that do civil war reenactments. I will always remember my ancestors and our history. White men don’t forgot about the past especially when white men that are history professors talk about Hitler.

          • Wayne Chipman

            The Hitler story taught by Schools is quite the Fairy tale. All Genocide of the last 2000 years has been against Christians by the Catholic Church or by Muslims ( The Catholics wrote the Koran ). The 26 Million Christians in Russia who were slaughtered are not spoken of much. The 6 Million murdered by Hitler were Christians.

          • xander cross

            And yet, white men continue to praise Hitler to this very day. That is my point. White men always talk about Hitler’s military tactics and his ideals.

          • Wayne Chipman

            where do You come up with this Idiotic Garbage. Racism is code for Anti-White.

            There is not a Black alive today who knows anyone who was a Slave.

            Why don’t all of You Blacks go to Africa and make it a wonderful place to live.

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          “for 400 years ”
          BWAAAHAHAHA.

        • Wayne Chipman

          Blacks sold Blacks to the Slave Traders. Without Blacks selling Blacks there would have been No Slave Trade.

      • xander cross

        The same constitution that said that blacks are 3/4th’s of a person? I really trying to find out these values that were denied to black people for decades while white people benefitted greatly from the work of my ancestors.

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          “said that blacks are 3/4th’s of a person”
          It would help your argument if you knew what you were talking about.

        • Wayne Chipman

          The White people and Asians of that day were well aware that Blacks acted more like Packs of Rabid Animals when in groups.

      • xander cross

        Values, you mean like the Jim crow era where black people have to use bathrooms that said “colored only”? Men like Emmett Till that was murdered for looking at white women? You want those type of values to make an comeback?

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          Those were strictly democrat policies, and yet blacks don’t seem to mind voting for them en bloc now do they?

          • xander cross

            That is because of Nixon’s southern strategy plan that most of the racist democrats became republicans. Most black people at that time was republican.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            So when Jimmy Carter SWEPT The south, which was after Nixon, was it the same racist republicans becoming democrats or was it a whole different bunch of people?

            BTW, can you cite some of the first things Nixon did when he entered office? I can, and the policies were to the DIRECT BENEFIT of black people.

            That is a baseless democrat accusation meant to make stupid people overlook the democrat’s atrocious record of racism and civil rights.

            “was republican”???

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Have you ever asked yourself how Hillary Clinton can professes her love of Margaret Sanger, who wanted to kill all black people and black people love her anyway?

            Woodrow Wilson held KKK rallies in the White House and re-segregated the milt and yet is always rated at the top of democrat hero presidents?

            How does that work with you, but you’re out there yammering leftist talking points about a southern strategy that elected a president who IMMEDIATELY implemented things like
            increasing the budget for civil rights programs. From 1969 – 1972 the funds were increased from 75 million to more than 600 million.

            What’s “the Emergency School Act”??
            What’s the number of the Executive Order Issued by Nixon to immediately implement Equal Opportunity for Blacks??

            Pfffft, educate yourself. Dont be a muppet.

          • xander cross

            I am not an democrat and I don’t support Hillary Clinton. I figure that you would assume that I was one of supporters.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            You’re foaming at the mouth about leftist THEORY on the right and citing leftist talking points all thru this page.
            I’m citing you real history and current events of democrats and you’re left with, Duuhhhhhh I’m not a democrat. Bullsh!t. Loon.

          • xander cross

            Why do you keep on saying that I am support Wilson when we were never talking about him in the first place? The southern strategy was first adopted under Richard Nixon and Barry Goldwater in the late 1960′s. Many of the racist democrats became republican once Nixon carry out the southern strategy which was popularized by Kevin Phillips. I don’t support either democrats or republicans.

          • Wayne Chipman

            You are making less and less sense.

        • Wayne Chipman

          I for one would like to see Black People held accountable for their actions.

          • xander cross

            I would like to see white men held accountable for their actions especially that white teenager in Texas that killed four people and served no jail time. What was his defense? Affluenza.

      • xander cross

        Values that this country was founded on? You men selling babies to the highest bidder during the founding of this country? Black babies sold to the highest bidder while white men profited from it? That must be the values you speak of.

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          You’re a loon. Go away, the adults are conversing.

        • djc

          My ancestors were abolitionists and fought to free the slaves. My ancestors died to set free people of another race they never even knew. These are the values of America.

          Another point is the overwhelming majority of Confederate soldiers fought for their family and state—they were NOT slave holders. They were good people defending their family. There were black Confederate soldiers as well you know…..

        • Wayne Chipman

          Again You fail to mention Blacks Selling Blacks and the fact that Free Blacks owned more Slaves on a Percentage basis that Whites. Only Wealthy White owned Blacks. And You Fail to mention that Poor White of the North fought ( What they were lied to into believing ) to free Blacks. More White Died to Free Blacks than can be imagined. Whites have been Slaves longer and more often than Blacks, You do not hear Us crying about it. The Blacks were soon to be Freed by the Invention of the Tractor and the Cotton Gin, The War was financed by the Banksters as they did not want the North flooded with the Free Blacks as they knew in Groups Blacks act like Rabid Animals.

          • xander cross

            Where are your facts that support your statement?

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            I think they’re found in education, so they’ll elude you forever.

    • xander cross

      Biblical morals? Go back to the constitution? the same constitution that says that grated white people freedom and enslaved my ancestors? The slavemaster who used the bible as an excused to justify slavery and selling of children to the highest bidder?

      • Azrael

        Now, to be honest, if your ancestors would have been brought here you most likely haven’t existed – they would have been killed on one of those countless tribal wars , or died of famine or disease. But in the unlikely event they would have survived i bet you wouldn’t have had this cushy life . So you see, you must be thankful they decided to enslave your ancestors and sell them as cattle, without them you would be cattle food now.

        • k

          People used to recklessly kill each other in the name of tribe, religion,colonisation,kingdom on all continents, not just africa.

          Thats no excuse to justify slavery.

      • k

        Xander,

        There are many good things too in the constiutution.

        As for founding fathers being slave owners, every rich guy at that time owned slaves. Most domestic help that was available were slaves only. That doesnt mean they were evil at heart based on that one point.

        • xander cross

          They was evil. The selling of black babies to the highest bidder is not evil?

          • k

            People who sold them were evil, but most people dint do it.

          • Wayne Chipman

            The Blacks in America were the Lucky ones. Why do You not go live in Africa if America is so bad to you.

      • Wayne Chipman

        You should thank God they were Slaves, if they even were. Otherwise You would be in that Hell called Africa. No Black should ever be in Charge of anything.

        Just Look at
        Chicago
        Detroit
        Africa

        I rest my case.

    • Azrael

      Do that morals include destroying all research/scientifical facilities and all what they have brought us? Do they include slavery and complete submission to the owners? Do they include stoning for working on the sabbath or any other countless stupid reasons?

      • k

        Well said!

      • Malcolm Reynolds

        “Do they include slavery and complete submission to the owners”

        No, but if you open your eyes, leftists vie for this very thing to this day. Do you know what progressivism is about?

        • Azrael

          yes, they do read your book more carefully
          Romans 13:1-3 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgement on themselves.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Get over yourself. Stop quoting that with you hate and make no effort to understand.

          • Azrael

            So i should stop reading the bible and take your word for it? Isn’t this what you religiotards have been saying since forever when out of arguments?

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            No, you should stop regurgitating quotes if you aren’t going to make an effort to understand what they mean.
            that’s what you godless leftards have been doing since forever when out of arguments.

          • Wayne Chipman

            These Brain Dead leftists cannot be reached, We are fast approaching the point where Jesus says; Let Him who is Filthy stay Filthy.

          • xander cross

            He is a troll. He knows what you’re saying is true and just quoting anything that he reads from republican websites.

  • K

    I also saw that 45% consider themselves to be independents. But that is just words. The question that has rung out through all of History. What are you prepared to do about it? Would you speak up, if it could cost you your job? Would you speak up, if it could cost you your friends? Would you be willing to take any risk at all, to speak the truth? Sorry to say we just went from 45% to about 2%. And that is just not enough.

    • Tim

      I think the real issue is that we are powerless to do anything about it. Look at how many times that con artist who lives at 1600 Penn. Ave. has lied to the American people and gotten away with it. You think he’ll be impeached? Not a chance! Look at the financial hardship he’s creating for Americans with this monstrosity called the ACA. But where is the outrage? Look at all the scandals during this current administration, but nothing has been done about them. Look at all the innocent foreign civilians who have been killed by drones. Will they ever get justice? Probably not. Look at how our privacy has been violated by the NSA. Believe me, they know more about you than what you say in your telephone conversations. A lot more.

      • K

        I worked for the Government for over thirty years. Trust me, you would need a forklift to lift my file. Not everyone who works for them, is their friend.

    • 2Gary2

      I am liberal and love to see conservatives fail. No independent crap for me. You know where I stand.

      • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

        How can you stand with the Democrats after everything that you have seen?

        Michael

        • Rodster

          You are trying to reason with Mr. Bean, that’s impossible.

        • 2Gary2

          For the umpteenth time-yes both parties are bad, but the conservatives are so much worse it makes the dems look good. This is not an easy feat as the dems usually screw things up, however, the dems are WAY better than the conservatives. Your guy paul ryan (my rep unfortunately) is literally taking food out of kids mouth. There is NO dem who would do this and is this heartless and cruel. Conservatives are just plain mean and cruel with their war on women and war on the poor.

          I wrote my state rep and said that there are no jobs in a woman’s womb. Maybe if they stop looking in the womb they can really have their laser focus on jobs they ran on. Tax cuts for the rich is immoral as is the system of gross inequality that the republicans and their sickening policies promoted.

          Yes the dems are the way lesser of two evils and I plan to vote green in the future unless doing so will let a conservative win.

          You may not like what I say but I am being 100% honest and you know where I stand.

          • Azrael

            It’s not their food, it’s ours and it has been taken from our mouths and given to a bunch of parasites. If you want to feed them at your own expense, by all means, do it, but don’t force me to join you.
            Yes, how dare the rich not pay a much bigger share than the poor? After all, the poor are only part humans, they should pay far less or nothing.

          • Rodster

            Cut and paste from a Debbie Wasserman Shultz speech. Come on you can do better than that, right? Not getting my hopes up, knowing who we’re dealing with here.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Hey Gary, muppets say nothing but what their masters let them say.
            You are nothing but a cut n paste operation.
            See the striking similarities?

          • Peace Angel

            Gary we all know that your political party prohibits you from watching any news not put out by the liberals and so the stand you take is totally based on only half the knowledge out there.

            And for the rest of the people on this site regularly they are starting to really get that there is ONLY one political party in the US and that ONLY came by getting BOTH sides of the daily lies coming out of the White House. BUT as a person who wrote their political speeches for almost two decades, I can tell you first hand that the biggest liars and the meanest and nastiest and the most UNgodly and UNclean politicians in DC are by far the democrats, men and women.
            You have been foolishly brainwashed by ONE side and are a long way from knowing their is ONLY one party in DC.

      • Bill

        Perhaps the growing number of Independents is proof that some people are beginning to rationalize and don’t want to be associated with destructionists on either side of the isle.

        Gary, if you are a true American, why do you want to destroy our country?

        • Tim

          He’s just an angry man who thinks that his lot in life is everyone else’s fault.

      • eddiestale

        you are a fail

        • 2Gary2

          ok hoss you really put me in my place.

          • none

            Gary: You should point out that you can receive economic freedom.
            Just go on unemployment and get 99 weeks of it.

          • Mondobeyondo

            More like economic slavery than economic freedom. Hard to buy a house when you’re paid unemployment.

          • eddiestale

            ^ you are a midget

      • eddiestale

        youareshitfaceof theyear

      • eddiestale

        ^angry midget

      • eddiestale

        ^40 year old virgin

      • eddiestale

        ^angry little boy

      • Mondobeyondo

        Mary Poppins…(keep it clean)

      • Yasha7

        May I respectfully suggest that you go stand someplace else?

        • 2Gary2

          I am doing this conservative love fest of a site a favor by introducing reality to you.

  • Rodster

    The one party system with two heads….aka the “crips vs the bloods, the Gambino’s vs the Banano’s”.

    • Drud

      The Rock vs. Triple H? Congress is a lot like the WWE in better suits.

      • mleblanc138

        And welcome back to Politically Inaccurate Smashdown. Now let’s get ready to debate.

        Taxes are too high.

        Eat my right wing, punk.

  • Washington76

    “I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.” Thomas Jefferson

    • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

      If only we had listened to him, eh?

      Michael

      • Drud

        He was listened to for at least 150 years, a truly remarkable run, really. Only in the time of our grandfather’s were his words beginning to be forgotten. Unfortunately, they are forgotten and misunderstood more and more everyday.

        • kfilly

          Our Republic was compromised in 1871. The nation was broke from the Civil War, and the socialist bankers got their foot into the door through the Act of 1871. Everything since that point has been incrementally done to destroy our country. The Fed was just the crown jewel of their conquest.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            It had a lot to do with the notion of a “doctorate degree”.
            This country’s universities, while powerful, lacked that and as a consequence, people went to Europe to grab that degree. That leftist education compromised our system.

      • Washington76

        Indeed! Thanks’ to government schools, because they do not teach. Only indoctrinate!

  • chris

    It’s all about control. Western economies (Europe, USA, Canada) don’t want their citizens to control their own destiny. They made that mistake before, and they’re not about to do it again. They don’t want citizens owning nothing that will allow them to break free from the shackles of government. That’s why it’s hard to open a small business ( a lot of red tape), property taxes (you don’t own your house or land), income taxes, etc. These are all designed to handcuff the citizen with the government for life.

    • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

      Well said. It is just a different form of enslavement.

      Michael

      • Chris

        I shake my head and chuckle when people proclaim they are homeowners. Stop paying property taxes and you’ll be surprise how fast Uncle Sam comes knocking on your front door demanding answers.

        • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

          Very good point Chris.

          Michael

        • Peace Angel

          Home Owners Associations are confiscating people’s homes.

    • ConcernedAmerican

      Right on

    • Syrin

      STUDIES, actual academic studies, verify what you’re saying. Economic freedom and actual freedom go step in step. We have fallen SEVEN years in a row, Gee, what’s the common theme? Next year we’re going to drop even farther. Unelected bureaucrats wrote 80,000 new laws and regs. Taxes go up, Obamacare kicks in full force, etc. This year is the year people start to feel the pain they voted for when they pulled the switch for the Nazzzi party

      • http://karmaeconomics.blogspot.com/ lavista4u

        The votes were not even counted….The whole US elections are mere DRAMA…The presidents are “Selected” Not “Elected”….They just make a huge show….

        We shouldn’t blame our fellow human beings …because it was never ever our fault…The dark does all the evil and puts the blame on us and make us feel guilty through Karma Con…

        If humans start realizing that they were conned from the beginning that they never ever committed any mistake…. much of human misery will be reduced..

  • 2Gary2

    Oklahoma Gay Marriage Ban Ruled UNCONSTITUTIONAL By Judge

    First red state Utah and now red state Oklahoma? ha ha ha even the judges know conservative are going down hard. I love to see this.

    • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

      So you are in favor of gay marriage Gary?

      Michael

      • Gay Veteran

        he is probably for legal equality for Gays

        • eddiestale

          gay men can suck each other off all day, that was never illegal

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          Has nothing to do with equality.
          I’m hetero and cant go marry a man.

      • kfilly

        I am a libertarian. I don’t advocate that lifestyle, and I don’t mind as long people are not advocating for special treatment. It sn’t my job to judge. I believe everyone will have to answer to God to for their actions. I just want the government to leave us the heck alone.

      • 2Gary2

        I want income redistribution and could care less about who marries who. I personally find the whole gay thing gross and I could never be gay, however, it is a distraction . I think its funny to see conservative red state go gay.

        Hows that family values thing working out for the red states.

        • davidmpark

          It’s working very well. That’s why your side has to force gay marriage, group marriage, pedophilia, and bestiality on all of us. our successful families proves your side’s all liars and thieves.

          • 2Gary2

            sucks to be you in a red state turning blue.

            Hey another rhythm

          • 2Gary2

            again-you loose all creditability (really you had none to loose) when you bring up bestiality etc.

          • davidmpark

            Parasites don’t decide who has credibility or not.

            Defend your positions, Gary. Or admit that you can’t argue on principle and ideas.

            You don’t get to pass on it. Prove your correct, or go get a job.

          • 2Gary2

            assuming you can read- then reread my many posts where I very succinctly explain and defend my positions. I try to keep things on a 2nd-3rd grade level so conservatives like you can understand it.

          • davidmpark

            What, you mean the cut-and-paste plagiarism stuff, or the stuff you actually wrote?

            I’m not a conservative; but you saying that you don’t care about anything but getting stuff for yourself; making it about you all the time makes you sound very conservative to me. Have you ever been investigated for welfare fraud, or is that not enforced in Michigan?

            i wonder if anybody you plagiarized has go wind of it? I mean, those leftists you quote without citation do get paid for such things. Wonder if they knew you were taking credit for their work? Oh, yes, they’d care.

            Oh, but you are so intelligent. I’m sure they’d read your posts and give you a high paying university job for all YOUR hard work. :)

          • 2Gary2

            ok hoss-its WI not MI that I live in.

          • davidmpark

            Whatever. Would you kindly defend your politics, Gary.

          • 2Gary2

            please re-read (you can read right) my prior posts. Its tiring trying to educate the uneducated.

          • davidmpark

            No Gary. You cannot get away with saying to go read your previous posts. Most of them are cut-and-paste – not your own work. Proving that even you don’t fully understand what you’re demanding. Derogatory comments also prove weakness.

            Defend your politics. Now.

        • davidmpark

          Wealth redistribution = parasitic man-child.

      • k

        Not allowing gays to marry….isnt it a form of enslavement? which you dont like as indicated by your post above.

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          Um, no.

          • k

            Um, yes it is a form of enslavement.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            LOL, ok. I think it’s more appropriate to say your ignorance is a form of slavery.

          • k

            What you say is ridiculous.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Good luck.

          • k

            You and gary are the two most ignorant people over here.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Yea I don’t think so. At least on my part.

            You’ve asserted something not supported by the definition of the word and then claimed I’m ignorant rejecting it. Like I said, your ignorance is…

          • k

            Gotta leave…see you all tomorrow

          • k

            Not allowing people ‘freedom’ to marry is enslavement.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Usurping a biblical covenant as a matter of law, in direct violation of the 1st amendment and forcing religious peoples to recognize it and serve it, violating the “separation of church state” spouted every other second of the day, is slavery.
            But if you want to keep spouting something utterly incongruent with the definition of slavery, be my guest. It wont make it true and people with critical thinking skillz may look at you like you’re an idiot.

          • davidmpark

            NICE!

          • xander cross

            You still can’t spell skills. SMDH. People with critical thinking skills may look at you like you’re an idiot. Notice how the word skills is spelled.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            get over it. Loon

          • xander cross

            I get over it when you stop saying insulting things to me. I am done with you.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Well gee, with demands like that, I don’t think I can post anything to you.
            You don’t seem to like anything I’ve posted from the Founders, the Const, Nixon to Democrat reality.
            Yikes.

          • k

            Abusing people again?….start visiting a therapist.

          • k

            You are the one who is coming off as one.

            You want people to be a slave of the constitution and the bible, and if they resist it…you are saying that they are forcing people not to force them is enslavement. Some of you conservatives talk so much about personal freedoms…and the moment somebody exhibits personal freedoms you brand them as someone who is trying to enslave people.

            You people are hypocrites

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            “You people are hypocrites”

            Nah, but what I said above is an undeniable indictment of how you clowns are.

          • k

            Nope. Look at all your comments about this particular issue and you will find out that you are one.

          • davidmpark

            No, it isn’t enslavement. Marriage was created as a segway to creating civilization and acting as a safeguard: all civilizations require children to be born in greater numbers than the adults. For that to happen, a mother must be cared for so she may focus on the children. As such, fathers marry the mother and exclusively fulfill her needs as well as the children’s, while the mother in return exclusively fulfills the father’s needs as well as the children’s. If one parent has a weakness, normally the other parent will likely be able to fill that necessity.

            Gay marriage for the sake of raising children is not necessary. Any adult; male or female, is capable of rearing a child – that’s designed into our being to perpetuate our purposes. However, children do need both male and female intelligence to have a greater chance of success as parents and industrialists themselves.

            … Okay, any more and I’m charging for this info.

          • k

            children do need both. But the children who are raised by homosexuals are usually adopted by them first. And children who are adopted come from adoptation homes where they have no parents at all. And having somebody as a parent is better than having nobody.

          • davidmpark

            The adoption for married gays argument is invalid due to the existence of abortions, current adoption laws, and the needs of children compared to the wantonness of adults.

            While 1.5 million children in the US being killed off due to the adults that are charged by the very foundation of civilization to protect and rear them, then saying we must have gay marriage to take in the kids that escaped the Roe v Wade holocaust is not valid. There are many man/woman married couples that can easily adopt these children, but many choose not to. Some due to immaturity, others because of selfishness and greed, and some, like my wife and I, are not allowed to due to her disability. I would love to adopt and raise some as our children. But current laws are very precise on who can adopt.

            And my point earlier is that any mature, non-severely disabled adult is capable of raising a child. To narrowly say that this is a reason for gay marriage ignores the rest of the able bodied adults that can also adopt. To go so far as to claim that these children will rot unless marriage laws are altered, means that marriage is only an entity that can be widely defined. This means that corporations and businesses can adopt children, or co-op’s, or any special interest group must have that right as well.

            And to argue that this is about love, well that’s the argument that pedophiles use, and people who intentionally abuse children use. Should we open the laws to allowing pedophiles and child beaters to adopt children; it’s about “love” after all.

            Is this what children really need; or should we stop using them as political pawns, put our selfish adult lusts and desires aside for a while, and be decent to the children and fulfill their needs according to their actual, natural requirements?

          • k

            I never said adopting should be a reason for allowing gay marriage. You brought up the kids issue first. And ofcourse they can fulfil the kids needs if not as good as heterosexual couples, but atleast as good as single parents or much better than no parent at all. And even though some heterosexual couple disqualify, it doesnt mean all are. Many heterosexual couples are being able to and adopting kids.

            And how can you compare paedophiles,rapists with homosexuals?

            The issue we were originally talking about was enslavement. And not allowing them to marry is enslavement. Society has no right to judge or stop them..its between them and god.

            God is the ultimate judge in these matters….not people.

          • davidmpark

            Yes, I did bring up the children because that is one of the best reasons it’s discouraged. Unless homosexuality can create children within biological rules – as is with male/female intercourse, then your argument that they are discriminated against has merit. We are, at this time, in a negative birth rate. That means we are dying a society and civilization. We need more children. Society and civilization by definition must discourage it to increase the population.

            Furthermore, God placed upon us the stewardship to “multiply and replenish the earth” to “have dominion over it”. He judges each person by their own deeds and sins; that’s true. But we do not have the authority to lecture to God or His Church for whatsoever we want. And that is also the other aspect of this that pro-gay marriage folks are trying to hide: the Church.

            Gay couples are now trying to get Christian Churches to accept gay marriage. That is completely against God’s will. Man cannot force God’s Church through government to change doctrine. If successful, then Churches must either blaspheme God’s commandments, or stop performing marriages. Which is probably what will happen.

            This is not about enslavement for the homosexuals – this is about bastardizing God and nature for political trendiness and influence.

            As for pedophilia, this is the next avenue. Rumors here in Utah say there’s a brewing civil case that is planned to go before a federal judge here and might be used to legalize pedophilia. How will that go when an adult wishes to marry a child in a Church. If they aren’t allowed, then that’s enslavement, right?

          • k

            Unless it can be proved that homosexuality cant create children within biological rules, not allowing them or discouraging them from marrying or adopting…is enslavement.

            And your comment about birth rate is hilarious. You are worried about our civilisation dying? Our civilisation is exploding!!…bursting with people!!

            In ancient times high birth rate was required to keep up with high death rate, so as to maintain a stable population. And a stable population was required during those times because almost all industries required to keep the economy going… agriculture,manufacturing,wars were ‘labour intensive’ meaning they needed as many people as possible.

            But now with a low death rate but a birth rate higher than that, population is high…leading to unemployment and thereby poverty and starvation because today industries required to keep the economy going are not as labour intensive compared to ancient times. And to make it worse they are becoming even less and less labour intensive every year. Since more and more farm machinery is requiring less and less farm hands every year. Even in the manufacturing industry..advanced technology,machinery, robots are making them those industries less labour intensive. Even sectors like finance, computer science, health care, travel,tourism you name it are able to produce more and more by using less and less labour per unit of output.

            I am not implying we need homosexual couples to decrease population, i only bought up the population issue as an answer to you comment about birth rate.

            All i am implying is the freedoms of homosexuals should not be tied to population issues or religious issues or constitutional issues.

          • davidmpark

            No gay marriage. Allow civil unions only with the state governments that have it in their state constitutions – no adoption. Agreed?

            And population is not exploding. I’ve seen the data and got copies of the documents from every site possible. We are declining.

          • k

            7 billion and growing looks like declining to you?

            And who are you to say and who am i to say, what should be allowed and not allowed.

            Its their choice!

          • davidmpark

            And what about my choice? The gay folks can do what they want in their homes and lives. When they turn belligerent and try to use the law to force an advantage and their agenda over my natural rights, then yes; I will fight that. Just like I fight for anyone’s natural rights.

            And yes, birthrates are declining. Look it up.

          • k

            How are they forcing their agenda over your rights?

            And birth rates are not declining enough to stop population growth which is still increasing.

          • davidmpark

            HOW?! Haven’t you seen the news out of Utah?

            The gay rights parades and flaunting themselves I didn’t mind. We had peace, for the most part. I mean, we all put up with the cat calls and tolerated the sexual harassing comments from a few of them, but most carried themselves with good demeanor’s and were good neighbors.

            The problem is that a Federal judge decided to throw out our state constitution to overturn the gay marriage amendment in Utah. All the Leftists are backing the decision. We passed a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT by a vote of 66% in favor of defining marriage as between a man and woman. This means that we have no right to the 9th and 10th amendments. We have no right to our own laws, and it’s starting to show. We did loose our liberty illegally (the federal government has no ability to alter a state’s constitution.)

            Don’t even try and lecture me that they are the one’s enslaved. Utah just lost what little sovereignty we had. We are, again, completely under the jackboot of the feds.

          • k

            What were the 9th and 10th amendments?

    • davidmpark

      That was illegal, Gary. And will be overturned, or there is no law.

      God will give us justice.

      • 2Gary2

        No one cares-the court said its fine. Your red state is turning blue! and there is nothing you can do.

        Hey sounds like a nice rhythm

        • davidmpark

          Do you have any idea the damage you and yours are doing. The family goes; there will be nothing leftover for you to live on.

          This is evil: and evil cannot win – it’s against nature. The only thing evil does is destroy itself. And takes what it can with it. And evil does not “win”; it can hurt, it can set back, it can ruin things… but it cannot thrive, it cannot prosper, it can only decay and fail.

          All we need to do is do good. Red state blue? No. All that’s happened is the Democrats and Leftist’s did was piss off everybody to the point of their own ruin. All the Democrats here are scared. Obama’s gang went too far – the Left is now known as the party of oppression, misery, and pain. There’s so much panic that the Republicans here are trying for a power grab from the citizens! They are being blamed for a lot of this too and scared to death of replacement, or even worse.

          No Gary, all that happened was the majority became enraged, and is going to fight.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            They don’t care. Leftists pine for Stalin and have no clue what it is.

          • davidmpark

            Very true, Mal. Very true.

          • Boo-urns

            Still haven’t figured out how or why same-sex marriage is going to have any negative effect on straight marriage. Straight folks aren’t going to suddenly get divorced because gays are marrying, straights aren’t going to decline to marry because gays are. There isn’t a finite amount of marriage and gays are now stealing some of it for themselves. Same-sex marriage will only be a net positive to the institution of the family as a whole.

            Republicans and Democrats alike are only interested in freedom *when it agrees with them*. Everyone else should be controlled, restricted, and/or prevented.

    • eddiestale

      gary is gay

    • eddiestale

      gary is a facist

    • eddiestale

      ^angry midget

  • davidmpark

    I pledge allegiance (not declaring my servitude or enslavement, but my loyalty so long as that loyalty is warranted) to the flag of the United States of America (not to people; not to Obama [even though some of Hollywood and the Gary's publicly declared themselves his servants], and not to the dominance of a government – but to the symbol of a country; to it’s best ideals); and to the republic for which it stands (not democracy, socialism, or Baal worship; but to a constitutional, representative republic – where I have unalienable rights that cannot be violated for the gain of others), one nation (not a subculture, race, ethinicity, or political ideology – to a single nation of other free people), under God (not under man’s foolishness, but under the rule of a loving God who sent His only begotten in the flesh to sacrifice Himself for my sins; for my family’s sins that we may all be together forever: a true king, and true Father, and a loving friend and teacher), indivisible (not to be divided for the gain or stupidity of others; not to be balkanized and separated to satisfy the insanity of those who lust for power and riches), with liberty and justice for all (equality under the law: not social justice, not income equality, not one clique rules over other gangsters – true freedom, and justice for assaults, murders, and thefts).

    Someday, I hope to recite this without feeling like a liar.

    • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

      Actually there is a lot more Baal worship going on in America than most people realize.

      Just study the history behind some of our most famous “national monuments” some time. :)

      Michael

      • Tim

        Absolutely. There is a lot of pagan symbolism in Washington, DC.

        • GSOB

          And in the bible

          • xander cross

            Christmas is a pagan holiday as well.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Um no.
            The day it’s celebrated was taken from pagans, but that don’t make it a pagan holiday.
            As a philosopher once said, ‘A cat can birth to kittens in an oven, that don’t make ‘em biscuits’

          • xander cross

            LMAO. “The day it’s celebrated was taken from pagans, but that don’t make it a pagan holiday. WOW!!! LOL. I can’t take anything you say seriously. Christmas is indeed a pagan holiday you loon and everything about came from paganism you loon. LOL.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Umkay. You go with that.

            So far you’ve laughed about my usage of ‘skillz’, posted a whole bunch of ‘I know you are but what am I’, and then demonstrated an inability to proof read your own writing, like this:

            ” and everything about came”

            and this

            “White men don’t forgot about”

            and this

            ” slavery for 400 years”

            moron.

        • Anonymous

          And a lot of pagans too. They might not admit it, but their actions speak loud and clear.

      • CynicalGuy42

        Michael, do you have any recommended reading regarding the national monuments on the Baal worship topic? I am aware of the fact that one of our national monuments is an obelisk, which was originally Egyptian, and that a few of our national monuments have Greek columns, but not of the Baal thing.

        • davidmpark

          At it’s core, Baal is more of a fury within all mankind rather than just some idol. This is the greatest tool of the devil to tempt man by getting them to embrace that which is unholy and impure by defining it as good, while that which is good is viewed as oppressive and stupid.

          It’s the worship of that which brings death and decay instead of that which brings life and good growth and development. It’s the worship of feces and defecation over cleanliness and utilization. It a worship of sin and the creation over the worship of goodness and the creator.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            “It’s the worship of that which brings death and decay”
            Woooo weee does the left worship that.

      • Mondobeyondo

        Compare pictures of Baal to Baphomet… Not sure if it’s the same “god” or not – but a LOT of people in the music industry seem to have a particular affection for Baphomet. The upward stretched right arm, downward left arm…

        • davidmpark

          Baal is more of worshiping the worst within us than a normal idol. That’s what made it so dangerous.

        • peace angel

          The Baphomet worship began at Bohemian Grove. Recently some Devil worshipers tried to erect one in front of the Capital Building in OKC.

          THE still pics from Bohemian Grove clearly show them as the symbols of the nations leaders at their annual drunken boys camp and in the Skull and Bonesmen political realm Baphomet is a special symbol and it is the hand signal and the favored album cover picture among the New recruits to the Agenda 21 like ALL the former Disney kids, like Britney Spears, Christina Aguillara, Justin Timberlake and it is the symbol for the Illuminati take over of the world to include GAGA, Beyonce’ Jay-Z, Gwenneth Paltrow, TI, P.Diddy, Clooney, Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie, Kenye’ West, Katy Perry, and tons more Hollywood and Music world entertainers. You can see the Goat demons on their albums and they use the goat hand signal and the Illuminati triangle after every single performance.

          :THEY are all very involved because they are being promised they won’t live in the camps but they, too are being lied to.

          THIS is not a music industry fad. THESE people all have ties to Agenda 21 in the US.

      • davidmpark

        Yeah, I know. It’s disturbing.

    • Mary

      My variation on the Pledge of Allegiance is this: I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it STOOD, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

      • Mondobeyondo

        Take away the liberty, the justice, and God, and what’s left? A flag of a divided nation, rudderless,

      • El Pollo de Oro

        Mary: I have my own variation. It’s called The Banana Republic Pledge of Allegiance, and it goes a little something like this:

        I pledge allegiance to the flag
        Of The Banana Republic of America
        And to banksters and fascists for which it stands
        One nation under the iron boot of a corrupt and despotic oligarchy
        With misery and suffering for all but the oligarchs

        And now that we’re the BRA instead of the USA, we have a new flag to go with our new pledge of allegiance:

        http://4vector.com/free-vector/banana-republic-flag-clip-art-111955

        Stay strong, patriots and preppers. These are hellish times we’re living in.

  • Gay Veteran

    “…The truth is that our nation has continued to march toward socialism no matter who has been in the White House and no matter who has been in control of Congress….”

    The word you are looking for is not socialism, it is fascism (the merger of state and corporate power). Many of these regulations are pushed by corporations for their own benefit.

    • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

      Socialism and Fascism are not opposites. Rather, they are very close cousins. Both are extremely oppressive systems that depend on very large central governments to run them.

      Michael

      • Gay Veteran

        many of our problems are due to the power of corporations and government working hand-in-hand

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          And then the scam of letting those that are unable to take of themselves and have to reply on the govt for subsistence to vote.
          Oh oh. Clutching my pearls and swooning. Ya, them people shouldn’t be allowed to vote for a living.

      • Drud

        So often we get mired in the semantics. Oligarchy, Plutocracy, Socialism, Fascism, Aristocracy, ect. Just words that have little practical meaning outside the classroom. The basics are always the same: too much wealth and power in the hands of too few. It is a systemic, inevitable failure of hierarchical systems. That is why the Constitution and Bill of Rights so clearly set up an almost entirely anarchic system; ie, equal rights and freedoms and the most basic role of the government is to guarantee them.

        • GSOB

          “Therefore, instead of God’s
          bringing about more floods periodically to exercise justice in the present realm, he assigned the responsibility of social justice to the very beings who all deserve his eternal condemnation.”

          • JacksonPearson

            LMAO…Fool, you’re batting almost 1000, in the wrong direction.

          • GSOB

            I don’t bat.

          • Rob W

            some of these guys are going to be real surprised when they wake up dead instead of in heaven, lol.

        • MeMadMax

          Couldn’t have said it better myself.

        • ConcernedAmerican

          Brilliant you are.

        • Azrael

          You know, the moment you give anyone the power to guarantee your rights is the moment you lose your rights to them.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            responsibility to protect, not the power to guarantee. There is a difference.

        • quercus454

          Well said!

        • Bill

          “The most basic role of government is to guarantee them”

          The problem is the imposter and his favorite toy, his pen. Yesterday he was bragging (or threatening) to use it whenever he pleases to bypass Congress to get what he wants. This is why our system and our country are being intentionally destroyed. VTF

          • Bill

            If you don’t believe what I just said please read the WSJ article about economic freedom rankings. You can find a link at Drudge. It is almost as good as some of Michael’s articles. VTF

      • http://democracylover.blogspot.com Charles D

        The difference in the two has to do with WHO is running the large central government: the corporations who benefit from it (fascism), or the people through a democratic process (socialism).

      • xander cross

        Are you a republican?

      • Bill

        Note the perpetual construction in DC.

      • CygnusX1isaHole

        Socialism is public control of the means of production. The exact opposite is happening. Corporations are gaining control of EVERYTHING…healthcare, schools, water, municipal power, the public airwaves and soon the internet, I enjoy your passion Michael and I think your heart is in the right place but you need to get rid of some of these erroneous ideas. If Obama was a socialist the insolvent wall street banks would’ve been nationalized, not bailed out and placed on permanent fed life support. If Obama was a socialist we’d have not-for-profit single payer healthcare, not for-profit corporate insurance (single payer activists were not invited to any congressional meetings and a few were arrested for protesting). If Obama was a socialist he would not be leading the charge (through Race To The Top) to privatize public schools at a faster pace than Bush was capable of with No Child Left behind. Obama also placed Monsanto executives in the FDA to write regulations in their favor. No socialist would even contemplate such a thing. Obama is a raging corporatist.

        • k

          Spot on!

          • CygnusX1isaHole

            Geez, and I didn’t even list the Trans Pacific Partnership trade deal that’s been written in secret that Obama’s trying to have fast-tracked through the congress. This trade deal will make international corporations literally ABOVE THE LAW. The TTP is REPREHENSIBLE to EVERYTHING socialists believe.

            Ultimately the terminology doesn’t matter. What matters is that people of conscience must unite to oppose this takeover of our country no matter which political party is in power. Our allegiance must be the constitution, not the D’s or R’s. As always the tea battle is the 99% vs. the 1%. Anything else is an intentional distraction.

          • k

            Terminology matters here to some people who think he is a beacon of socialism while infact his actions indicate something else.

        • Rob W

          A voice of wisdom amid the cacophony…

      • Croco Dile

        Here is a simple method to fix things :
        Those in control have all the money they want and use it as a weapon against us.
        They know money is power and understand to use it.
        To keep us powerless, they are doing everything possible to bankrupt societies all over the world.

        This should be reversed and CAN be
        reversed.
        The Elite gave us tools we can use. They are using financial markets to manipulate economies and engineer societies the way they want. We have the capability to do the same. We can get strength by taking money out of their financial markets and use it as a weapon against the Elite by investing it in productive enterprises.

        There are enough professionals in financial markets you can find who want liberty. You should recruit them and use your site to recruit good people so those professionals can teach them to earn very good in the financial markets. Then they will teach others and this force will be unstopable.

        Poor people CAN NOT defend freedom !

    • Richard

      You hit the nail right on the head!!!

    • k

      ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!! THE BIGGEST BENEFICIARIES OF TAXES AND REGULATIONS ON SMALL BUSINESESS….IS BIG BUSINESESS….PEOPLE SHOULD THINK ABOUT IT!!

      And obama is hand in glove with them.

    • Malcolm Reynolds

      It’s both actually.

    • Michael Bartels

      Leviticus 18:22 Romans chapter 1 all verses. I have said my point, not my words , but Jesus words.

  • tfb

    Oh give the socialism BS a rest! Sorry, this is economic theft by the few, for the few, from the many. Try adjusting your picture to think outside of the dichotomy trap.

    • Malcolm Reynolds

      Perhaps you should check out just how much of the budget is used for redistribution of wealth.

  • GSOB

    “We would have total chaos if we did not have any laws at all. ”

    That’s because we all are beasts!

  • GSOB

    “Why would we support anyone in our
    government who claims that the U.S. Constitution is a “living document” whose interpretation changes with time and culture?

    To speak of the Constitution in this way is the language of demagogues and tyrants, because its logical conclusion is that there is no Constitution, thus resulting in the rule of whoever is ruling, not the rule of law.”

  • http://democracylover.blogspot.com Charles D

    First of all, any “index” prepared by the right-wing Heritage Foundation is little more than a political tool to (Surprise!) blame Obama and the Democrats for everything. At least you admit that both parties are to blame, but “march to socialism”? What planet are you discussing? I can tell you that real socialists are as upset at the rightward drift of this country as you are about what you see as a drift to the left.

    Truth is that our economy sucks, and “economic freedom” – a concept no doubt invented by conservative think tanks – is not the cause nor the cure. Our economy sucks because we aren’t in either industrial capitalism or socialism, we are in the throes of financial interests who have so altered our economy that it is beyond hope. Wall Street owns and operates our government for their benefit and can speculate to their heart’s content knowing that the Congress they bought will bail them out with taxpayer funds.

    We don’t have socialism, we have crony capitalism on a global scale. Corporate interests have spent billions convincing Americans that the government can do nothing right, and that cutting government spending (except for the military and other subsidies to big business) is the answer to all our ills. There’s a reason for that and it begins with $.

    • Malcolm Reynolds

      “the rightward drift of this country”

      Thanks for playing, but that assertion is a fantasy dreamt up by the revolutionary hard left.
      The one and only example of a govt ‘going right’ or towards freedom, was the establishment of this country. Since that day the country has only gone towards the left.

      • http://democracylover.blogspot.com Charles D

        The drift toward socialism is a fantasy dreamt up by the reactionary hard right.

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          You’re right.

          Except that there’s billions and billions of dollars of examples of it (15 trillion or so since LBJs failed war on poverty started in the 60s) in the federal budget, that says you’re wrong. keep up.

          • http://democracylover.blogspot.com Charles D

            There’s a lot of taxpayer money going to corporate welfare and lots more giveaways in tax cuts for the wealthy, but all the social welfare programs except SS and Medicare have undergone severe cuts over the last 40 years. Those are the programs a socialist would have prioritized.

          • k

            Malcolm thinks corporate welfare as capitalism and peoples welfare as socialism.

          • http://democracylover.blogspot.com Charles D

            If he did, he would be correct, but then he would have to admit that we have drifted rightward since the early 1980′s.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            redistribution of wealth is redistribution of wealth.

            Dude, completely ignoring the socialist fact to look at the fascist fact, which are kissing cousins doing dirty shizzle under the covers, isn’t going to make you any more right.

            “giveaways in tax cuts for the wealthy”
            left wing pablum. Allowing the people that ‘do’ to keep what they make is not a giveaway. That assumes the premise that govt owns everything and doles it out from each according to their ability…. HELLO, do you understand SOCIALISM?
            No. Sorry. There has been no severe cut in anything over the past 40 years. I think you’ve swallowed the notion that when a democrat says ‘raise it 65%’ and the republican says ‘raise it 50%’ that’s “Slashing”.

          • http://democracylover.blogspot.com Charles D

            O please. Let’s try to deal in facts, not in myths. Compare the benefit levels and entry requirements for welfare now to those in the late 1970′s. Compare the federal budget for low-income housing then and now.

            Corporate cronyism and socialism are not “kissing cousins”. Yes, both end up with a powerful central government, but there’s a difference in who is running it and who is benefiting from it. Under crony capitalism, the government does the bidding of the wealthy and corporations, looks the other way when they violate the law, and bails them out when their irrational speculation causes them to fail. Under socialism, the government is a democracy and is run for the benefit of the majority of people and insures that no one goes without adequate housing or food or medical care and guarantees a job for everyone.

            The great increases in government spending, other than giveaways in tax cuts (NOTE: Reducing revenue can bankrupt you as surely as increasing spending.), has been in military and “homeland security” spending and the higher costs of privatization of government services, not in welfare. We only spend more on Medicare now because the government has been prevented from reining in the dramatic increases in costs and the larger number of eligible Americans.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Every time I talk to you people and get the Idiocracy, “I like girls” response and the blank stares, I die a little inside.
            Good luck! God Bless!

          • http://democracylover.blogspot.com Charles D

            I tend to find that when confronted with facts, a lot of conservatives resort to name calling.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            I tend to find when democrats replace reality with what they call facts, it pisses off a lot of thinking conservatives.

          • http://democracylover.blogspot.com Charles D

            The only reality conservatives know is the reality of their beliefs. Facts and science are irrelevant because conservatives “know” that whatever they believe is true. Arguing with a conservative about economic issues is like arguing with a Christian over the virgin birth. There is no proof that will convince them.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            “. Facts and science are irrelevant ”

            Oh here we go. frothing at mouth isn’t going to make you any more correct.

            So when that leftist Yale professor found that the Tea Party right had a better grasp of science than the left, did you just dismiss that out of hand?

            BTW, I’m a computer science major that can do biology, chemistry, calculus(without a calculator), computers and logic around you every day of the week.
            Or were you just talking about the science of leftist politics?

          • k

            Maybe not all conservatives, but some do…..malcolm is a prime example of that.

          • k

            Giving tax breaks to business is not at all wrong if they need it.

            Similarly giving benefits to people is not all wrong…if they need it.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Who determines need and how does that fit into equal protection of the law?

          • k

            Its like saying who determines who is guilty or innocent, that why nobody should go to prison.

          • k

            I want to know what you think abou the following?

            Is it wrong for the govt to help a corporation if it is really in need?

            I think it is not wrong. what do you think? Answer..right or wrong.

            Dont beat around the bush.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            “Is it wrong for the govt to help a corporation”

            Yes. direct enough?

            I have a feeling you and I don’t agree on the definition of help.

            Allowing a Co to keep what it earns is not “help”. See: private property.

            I’m going to probably venture a guess that you believe something along the lines of what these other left wing nutters spout in that if the govt allows a Co to keep it’s earning and not tax it at 90%, that’s a subsidy or is helping it.

          • k

            I never said allowing companies what they earn is help. Dont assume whatever that comes to your mind.

            I wanted to ask you if a corporation is in need of some financial help from the outside, and if the govt does it…is it right or wrong according to you?

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Apparently you don’t read too well.

            “Is it wrong for the govt to help a corporation”

            Yes. direct enough?

          • k

            I understood what you read, but you added a bit extra which neutralised the point and directness… thats why i had to ask you again.

            Thank you for your direct answer.now..

          • k

            Dint abraham lincoln say that governement is for the people, by the people?

            For the people means government also should look after the people when they need it.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Didn’t the Founders create this whole system of govt under the constitution that thoroughly rejected the notion you’re trying to pervert it into?
            The system of federalism was set up so that if you wanted to have New York care for your every little tiny need, then go forth and leave me the hell alone in North Carolina.
            The notion that the fed gov is there to “take care” of anyone is false and an usurpation of the powers of govt.

          • k

            Thats what they are doing, taking help from the govt and not you.

            And are you saying lincoln was wrong?

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            You understood nothing I posted, shrugged your shoulders and re-regurgitated the same bull crap.
            Thanks, but no thanks. God Bless you.

          • k

            look at my comment below.

          • Boo-urns

            Except that from the moment this nation was created the Federal government has been stealing power from the states. This country would be an altogether better place if the vast majority of decisions — and responsibilities — were left to the states, with the Federal government concerning itself only with matters of absolute national urgency. Abortion, same-sex marriage, welfare, unemployment, etc. do not count.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Bravo! Agreed.
            I think the 10th leaves those responsibilities with the states. But like you said, thieves.

          • garand555

            What you are advocating cannot be achieved without using force or the threat of force against those who do not need the government to take care of them. If you want a vague and general edict to “look after the people when they need it,” that is going to require resources, and those resources will have to be taken from other people.

          • k

            It is already being achieved now…food stamps, unemployment benefits are two examples of that without the threat or use of force.

            Look i am not advocating taking resources from the rich…look at my comment history.

            What i am saying is govt can look after the poor without taking from the rich. The united states government is the richest government in the world….it can afford it.

          • garand555

            Refuse to pay your income taxes and see what happens. You will eventually be met with force or the threat of force. You no longer have a claim to the resources those income tax dollars buy, but some guy with an EBT card does have a partial claim. And the US government is broke, hence the monetization of the debt that is occurring.

          • ki

            If they start earning beyond a certain amount, they will have no choice but to pay income tax too.

          • k

            As for the meeting with force…dont you want to pay the govt for building roads, bridges, powerplants, for running fire service, police force, military?

            You want all of those for free.

            Refuse to pay for something made by corporations from a store too and you will be met with force too. And they are right in doing so. Same way govt has an absolute right to levy income tax for its services you are using.

          • garand555

            I’m so glad you’re willing to justify the use of force against people so readily. And I’m so glad that you completely ignore the fact that we didn’t even have an income tax prior to the ratification of the 16th Amendment. I’m also so glad you know exactly what I want. Oh, wait, you don’t. But nice try with equating a person making a decision to steal something from a corporation with me not wanting the government to so actively use force to take from me and others.

            We have too many government services, and I don’t want them for free. I want them gone or significantly reduced.

          • k

            If you offer someone a service and they use that service and refuse to pay for it, you too have the right to use force if you have to.

            What are the govt services which you dont even want for free and want gone?

          • garand555

            I hate cops, think we’ve been in too many wars, think that roads could either be privately managed, or handled through taxes on the fuel that runs the vehicles that run on the roads, I believe that we have far, far too many regulations (80k pages were created by the federal government last year alone, and that’s not counting state and local regs,) don’t like mass surveillance, think that any social safety net that is not local is a bad idea, and I could go on. I would also add, that while education is important, we aren’t doing a very good job of educating our youth. Either let it be private and get rid of the funding, or fix it.

            And, no, if I offer a service and somebody refuses to pay, I don’t have the right to use force. I only have the right to use force if that service was accepted, used, and then there was a refusal to pay.

          • k

            Thats the same thing said about your right to use force.

            And cops will always be there to protect. Even though you hate them they maintained law and order in the country ensuring you safely grew up. You having a gun isnt enough, a lot of people with guns also end up getting shot. As for military the afghan war was necessary to keep the country safe.

            Roads can be handled through the taxes on fuel ( its a tax too isnt it, not much different from income tax)

            Mass surveilance, again there is good stuff to gain (preventing terror) and bad stuff to gain (loss of privacy)from it. And the loss of privacy part sucks i agree.

            As for those pages of regulations, isnt our discussion about ‘govt for the people, by the people’ Regulations are a different issue altogether.

            As for education, both private and govt institutions are needed…to keep each other in check. Purely govt will cause a race to the bottom in terms of quality and purely private will cause a race to elitism where private education will become too expensive and not all people will be able to afford it. So both are needed to keep each other in check.

            As for safety nets…some people think local is a bad idea, as states will be more inclined to cut them than the federal govt. Anyways to each his own with regards to safety nets. If you have more to lose if its federal you a right to complain about it, and if you have more to lose if its local, you the right to complain about it.

            Gotta leave…catch up with this discussion later.

          • garand555

            No, a tax on gas and diesel to pay for roads is not the same thing as an income tax. Income tax is taxing labor regardless of what the money is used for. Taxing gas and diesel to pay for roads is a tax that will be roughly proportional to the use of the service and infrastructure provided. Big, big difference.

            And if you think that the police are here to protect you, you are misguided. Police regularly get away with acts that would land me in prison for murder. They are not your friends. Normal interactions with criminals who would wish to do you harm do not involve a lot of people with guns, and on the rare event that they do, remember, it takes far less than a tenth of a second for a bullet to get from the muzzle of a gun to your face at normal shootout ranges. It takes several minutes for the police to show up on average. Relying on them to save your life when the SCOTUS has ruled that they have no legal duty to do so (DeShany v Winnebago, Castle Rock v Gonzales) is pure folly.

            And start naming the actual *specific* good things that the mass surveillance has accomplished. Not “it keeps us safer,” but names, dates, actions, etc… The loss of privacy doesn’t suck, it is flat out unacceptable.

          • k

            Ofcourse police do such stuff, that doesnt mean they dont do any good.

            Whats stopping thieves from breaking into your house at night when you are asleep? Whats stopping many people from overspeeding? Whats stopping people from mugging you?

            And surveilance by its very nature is very discreet, so how can i name a specific incident…i dont have any sources inside the NSA.

            Income tax arose, because the govt started borrowing from the fed to build the countries infrastructure and government. By this i mean not just roads but everything from bridges, rail,airports, hospitals colleges,universities, pipelines, electricity generating stations,electric cables,telephone cables, telecom and television infrastructure, postal services, research organisations, NASA, militiary etc. And it needs to train and give salaries to people who run them doesnt it. Look i am not saying al ltaxes are necessary but few basic taxes are necessary to pay the govt for doing all these.

            Look i am not saying all taxes are necessary, but some basic taxes are necessary for the govt to pay back the loans taken to do all these.

  • Bill

    I’ll say it again: VOTE TO FLUSH out the dc criminals.

    • Imaplaneiac

      Bill, are you unaware of the reports of WIDESPREAD voting fraud in the Nov 2012 so called Presidential ” Election “? Can all election ” officials ” who oversee electronic voting machines be trusted?! I don’t trust them – do you!? Can you explain how career politicians like creepy Crazy Harry Reid and Nasty Pelosi are re-elected again and again?

      • Bill

        I agree with what you said but if millions VTF and talk, chat, blog, and etc, the criminals will get flushed. Come on America FIGHT with your vote and don’t be intimidated by anyone.

        Electronic voting machines were a gift to the cabal criminals.

        • Gregge K Johnson

          BIS owns ESS who owns the voting systems in 59 countries . One compcontroler runs all of them ,,,.very easy to change the digital numbers . Voting is owned by the Bankers. The IMF and Insurance Companies install anyone ,anyplace THEY want.

          • Bill

            We must be relentless with the truth as you just expressed it. We must overcome the tendency to be complacent. We must not accept intimidation. If we VOTE TO FLUSH the dc criminals we can have our country back.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            The shocking ignorance displayed on this very page says otherwise.

            The govt rot is merely a reflection of the uninformed, ignorant, mouth breathing masses who pine for, “More Please” – Oliver Twist.

          • Bill

            The government should be a reflection of the people it represents. The uninformed ignorant comprise many sub classes but most are intimidated and dumbed down by the mainstream media controlled by the elite cabal. VTF

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            The govt IS a reflection of the people it represents.
            Who is intimidated and how?

      • Mondobeyondo

        And I thought the whole Bush-Gore fiasco in 2000 was bad!! Guess they need to add a little drama every once in a while, to keep things interesting.

    • Mondobeyondo

      Be sure to call the Roto Rooter guy, in case things don’t…. quite work out.

      • Bill

        Bet we’ll need him when the bad guys all hit the drain.

  • Francisco d’Anconia

    Who is John Galt?

    • Guest

      I think he was the White House janitor during the Eisenhower administration.

    • davidmpark

      The individual person. A beacon of ability. A man of thought and achievement. He’s me; he’s you.

      The question is; who will hold their lantern beside golden door?

  • Bill

    Glowing seafood from the pacific will certainly have a harsh economic impact in the days ahead.

    • Bill

      Perhaps three meals a day should be required eating for—–

      • Bill

        Yup, Fuku Seafood Platter featured in the Congressional Dinning Room!

  • tom

    Michael, what do you think of the federal judge’s ruling that allows for the continuation of “Constitutional-free” zones around the US?

  • eddiestale

    gary loves the attention a midget receives when playing with the big boys.

  • Kim

    I couldn’t care less about any political party. Somebody said in a previous post that it wouldn’t take very long to bend a new, aspiring party or well-intentioned politician to the will of the nations’ system at hand. Big changes are coming and it won’t be through any political aspiration, well-intentioned or not so well intentioned.

    I am thankful every day that I have enough to get me through the day– if I have extra, I am grateful for that too.

    Jesus told us not to worry about tomorrow, because today has its own anxieties. Isn’t that the truth! He also promised to feed, clothe and house his loyal ones. That sort of takes the edge off, but does not, by any means, absolve us of our duty to work hard and stand strong.

  • TVP

    The solution is to elect a third party to power, a Twelve Visions president, who will then pass the prime law forbidding initiatory force against any person, property, or contract. With absolute freedom, technology will race ahead as costs plunge to zero, increasing the people’s buying power by 100 times or more. The Twelve Visions Party will make all the people rich, including the poor. No more career politicians, no more regulatory bureaucrats, no more programs for “the social good” that loot the value producers of society.

  • Whiplash

    Left wing, right wing. Two wings of the same bird.
    I think I’ll just boycott this present system and be an anarcho-capitalist !

    • Mondobeyondo

      Yep. Apparently someone forgot about the rest of the chicken.

    • k

      Lol

  • DJohn1

    I maintain that all of the bureaucratic regulations are not constitutional.

    You cannot regulate what is impossible to read in a lifetime. Ignorance of the law may not be an excuse to certain judges. However, when logistically it is impossible to know what the law says because there are so many of them, then it becomes impossible for any one person to actually know what the law says.

    Whenever something becomes too complicated it also is likely to have laws that contradict one another. Which one do you obey?
    EPA is a prime example. An author was researching the EPA laws. So he asked for a copy of all of them from the government. Are you sure that is what you want? They sent him three semi-trucks full of rules and regulations. Many of which directly contradicted one another.
    The IRS regulations are often quoted as doing the same thing. If you asked 10 different agents a question about taxes. Chances are 7 out of 10 would contradict one another.
    All of these bureaus are little kingdoms of power on to themselves. What has to happen is the courts have to rule all of the regulations as unconstitutional because they cannot be applied equally to all citizens. No matter what, they are open to interpretation by whomever is in charge. No two officials are likely to rule the same way on a law that is regulated by these people.
    Right now Obamacare is the latest victim as the IRS produces more and more regulation to the original law. This house of cards cannot stand because the larger and more complicated it becomes the less it is likely to ever be understood.

  • Mondobeyondo

    We need to return to the ways the Founding Fathers set up this country. Sound money, sound government, belief in God. Every one of those has been eroded away. That is, in part, why this nation is in the Mess it is in today.
    Washington, Jefferson, Adams, et.al. were well aware of what would happen if a national bank were set up. They tried once, with the United States Bank in the 1830′s. It failed. They tried again with the Federal Reserve in 1913. It succeeded.
    TPTB have taken God out of practically everything. Schools, government, daily business, etc. Wouldn’t be surprised if God was made illegal, in favor of you being your own god. That’s Satan’s plan. Right from the very beginning. “Ye shall be as gods…”

  • Ben

    That paper could be used as tinder on a cold winters night instead.

  • Bill

    Michael, great post. You’ve really captured some attention. Thanks. and don’t forget “the fix is in the flush”.

  • Mondobeyondo

    Even a tax rate of 100% won’t solve all of our problems. It’ll only create bigger ones. In addition to all our other woes, you’d have an entire population that’s flat broke. Angry, too. When it reaches that stage, don’t bother asking the people for higher taxes and increased revenue for (take your pick) social services, first responders, schools, military, Social Security, public infrastructure – whatever.
    You’d better spend what little money you have on the National Guard, trying to prevent a popular revolt.

  • DiscouragedOne

    This reminds me of Stossel…good show.

  • X Man

    Jews are the problem………period.

    • k

      Hey…dont propogate hatred. Micheal can you ban this guy?

  • Frank Bell

    There is no collapse coming!

    Stocks are going up, up, up.

    A collapse is something like 1929, but not the boom we have right now.

    • Malcolm Reynolds

      You forgot your sarcasm tag.

  • quercus454

    I have a very similar story to the email that is going around. It is a true story. My college student daughter was home for break. My wife and I were sitting at the table discussing Obama, his social redistribution of wealth and such. My daughter had just came in from working at a neighbor’s house. She was trying to earn money for school. She sat down with us and was listening in on our discussion. She after having been away at a very liberal school, a bit defensively asked why I called Obama a socialist. I said because he wants to redistribute people’s earnings. He is taking from those that work and giving it to those who don’t. She asked, “if some have alot, why could they not afford to share”. I said, let me explain it to you like this. The money doesn’t come from just the top 1%. I asked how much did you earn working today? She said $40.00. I said let me see what you earned. She dug around in her pocket and handed me a 20 and 2 tens. I then called for her brother and sister to come in the room. I said here and gave each one of her siblings a ten dollar bill. My oldest infuriated, said “why did you give them my money, they didn’t work for it”. I smiled and said exactly!

    • Michael Payne

      Buffet, Gates, Soros and all of the other globalists are very happy to see that you haven’t understood a single thing.

      Thank you for being a dumb pawn in our fight for the New World Order.

      BTW, Obama isn’t redistributing wealth, he is taking from the middle class and giving it to the super-rich.

      Why do you think they are the only ones who profiteered from the stock market in the last five years.

      Again, thanks for being a pawn.

      • k

        True…which makes him a fascist not a socialist.

    • Rob W

      Too bad this government is pulling fascist moves, but whatever. The point is, Obama is merely the puppet on the left hand. This is the key understanding that must be mastered before anything gets better. As long as the oligarchs/kleptocrats can keep the people distracted by bickering between R and D, they will keep the reins of power firmly in their control. We are in a class war, people, and our class has been deliberately fragmented by their class.

  • k

    Michael…

    1)Retail sales should be taken in conjunction with online sales…since many people are increasingly shopping online.

    2) When you advocate the end of the federal reserve..what is your solution instead?

    Is it gold or is it any other form of currency.

    Please say so.

    • Drud

      Watch Money Masters on YouTube. It is long, but worth it. Bill Still narrates and walks the viewer through a history of banking and debt-based currencies. That is the key distinction: debt-based vs. debt-free fiat. Take the debt and the fractional-reserve banking out of Fiat currencies and they can work very well. A debt-free currency is slightly deflationary rather than inflationary. Inflation is the real problem, because inflationary currencies rely entirely on continual growth, they cannot contract ever without collapse. As we all know, however, continual growth on a finite planet with finite resources is a mathematical impossibility. That is the simple answer to anyone who denies a collapse is coming.

      • k

        Sadly population growth needs economic growth….to which deflation is more harmful than inflation (by inflation i mean low inflation not over the top weimar republic type inflation).

        You rightly said continual growth on a finite planet with finite resources is a mathematical impossibility….which is exactly what is causing global unemployment, economic slowdown etc…..because population is still growing on a finite planet with finite resources but economic growth is being held back by the ‘finite planet and resources’ part.

        I am interested in what michael thinks should be there instead of the federal reserve.

        • Drud

          Not necessarily true, K. The largest period of growth in the US was between 1865 and 1907 or so. The currency at the time were Treasury notes issues during the Civil War, nicknamed “Greenbacks.” In general, there was mild deflation over that time. Now, surely there is no perfect currency and no perfect government, but debt-free fiat, whose quantities are tightly controlled and transparent to all, is IMO the best solution.

          • k

            Was it population or economic growth? Also by ‘largest’ do you mean in terms of numbers of years of growth or by the quantity of growth, you know like the rate of GDP growth. All these are relevant.

          • Drud

            It was economic growth as measured by industrial/manufacturing growth. For instance, in 20 years between 1878-1898 the volume of industrial production, the number of workers employed in industry, and the number of manufacturing plants all more than doubled. In other words real production. i am not sure about population griwth, but typically birth rate increases dramatically in strong economies. The real point is that economies run on energy, while finance is simply playing with numbers, so, that being said, what is the fairest medium of exchange/stroe of value (money)? IMO, it is debt-free fiat rather than any commodity backed currency, both of which are radically better than the debt-based fiat used by most of the world today.

  • knowwhere man

    From a whole perspective view point, the world is gaining economic freedom, intellectual value, environmental awareness and overall wealth. How can this be considered negative? We reiterate redundantly that we are a christian nation. We are now proving it by exemplifying a christian attitude through every pore of our body. This is beautiful as we are beauty. Not a single sacrifice is in vain. Our world wills continuity and so do we.

  • squashpants

    On a slightly different note, I have been watching the interest rate on 10 year Treasuries, with its run up to 3+ percent recently. And, as I have noted before, whoever is in charge of managing such things has managed to quell the inflation of that rate yet again, frustrating those of us hoping that finally what we have been hearing is the inevitable rise of interest rates has begun. But, as I have commented before on this subject, TPTB are more determined and capable than we might think to use the tools they have to manage these things, and that we would do well to not underestimate their will and their power in regards to running this game.

    • garand555

      If it comes down to choosing between equities (stock market) and US Treasuries, I expect that equities will be sacrificed. IMO, that will open up the next stage of manipulation. First, as equities crash, I would expect a stampede to “safety,” i.e. US Treasuries. Then, once that stampede wears off, after “careful deliberation,” the federal government will “help” retirees by moving much of their 401ks into US Treasuries. Of course, that’s speculation, but if I were a juggernaut grasping for anything to keep myself in power, that’s how I’d do it.

      • squashpants

        Thanks for your thoughts on this matter, Garand. I hadn’t even considered what might happen next, but that is an interesting take on what might occur.

        • garand555

          I’m just saying, that’s how I would go about it if it were my purpose to maintain government power. All of those retirement accounts must look like an awfully tempting cookie jar to the government. I don’t think it would last long enough to play all the way out, i.e. I think that somewhere along the line in the process, the wheels would come off of the bus so to speak, but I will not be one bit surprised if we see them start down that road.

  • Kent Harris

    God has made it completely clear that judgement is coming and the pain now is minor compared to what is about to hit is.

  • XSANDIEGOCA

    In 2012, we dove over the cliff. 2014 represents the last chance to pull the Rip Cord. If the Republicans can not win the Senate, Obama is going to put the pedal to the metal. That coupled with Hillary in 2016 will put paid to the Republic. BTW, follow what is going on in New York carefully. There is talk that Deblasio will be Hillary’s running mate.

  • Syrin

    Dude….

    That

    Was

    EPIC !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Malcolm Reynolds

      hehehe. Thought you’d like that.
      Now to force Gary’s eyes open with toothpicks to make him watch it.

  • Tatiana Covington

    So let’s try the story in real life and see what happens.

  • Greendrums

    One solution is contained in the article. Sharing of some common values. It is a verifiable solution, as we have done so in the past, and The Natives of America showed an excellant example. Anyway, we would have to co operativlly spend our money. No different then doing “the Wave” at a stadium, just more of an economic focus on a much larger scale of participation. Day by day within a defined objective. For the sake of fairness to producers and services the focus of the day can come from a lottery system, defined on the web. We stil have a choice of how we spend our 10 percent of the worlds wealth. When we believe that a major oil company can hide the fact that they sold 90 percent less product then the same day a week ago then we should continue to do nothing and vote for the same game. Same method used to scrape up 90.
    percent of the wealth from the rest of us.
    Greendrums

  • James

    Hong Kong is #1. Interesting….considering they have a public health system as well as a public educational system. They also have social security and minimum wage laws.

    The Hong Kong government owns freehold on all the land, and they charge rent to all private lease holders.

    And onto Singapore:

    The government of Singapore has freehold on roughly 80% of land, and 85% of the population lives in some form of public housing. They also have a public health system and education system.

    The Top 10-30 countries on this list are probably considered “evil socialists” by the majority of right wing loons.

    By the way, before the FED, the US had banking panics followed by recession/depressions every decade. I don’t know how any rational person can consider this a success. The gold standard was also directly responsible for the Great Depression.

    The greatest period of US economic expansion was in the post-WWII era. This was the first time the middle class became the numerical majority. Unfortunately, we abandoned full employment and public investments as a public policy, which are needed for modern capitalism and democratic state.

    • nekksys

      I think you have your facts turned around…

      In order for a currency to have real value, there must be an underlying commodity which provides that value. The Gold Standard provided the commodity which supported our dollar. The FED abolished the Gold Standard and still issues (worthless) currency by fiat. If the gold standard was responsible for the Great Depression, then why did that happen 16 YEARS after the Fed came into being?

      And, yes, we had minor recessions during the formative years of this nation. It happens to free economies when nations go to war, meet economic opposition from other countries, encounter precious metals debasement and commodity cornering, et al… There was even a recession that lasted just over 5 yrs. Debasement, cornering and opposition are not directly related to economic policy as established by any government; they are incidents beyond the suffering nation’s control. War can be controlled however, when this nation was new, everyone wanted a piece of the sweet fruit that are our national resources hence we had constant conflict.

      Our current recession, however, is a vastly different story. We are now entering year 7 of this current downturn. In spite of what our gooberment says, we are still in a recession with the prospect of it deepening into a depression and quite probably a full-blown economic collapse. Our gooberment has made a routine act of lying to us; We, the People of these United States.

      Listen to the People and your wallet. Quit swallowing the gaarbage the gooberment keeps tossing our way.

      Wake up and think deep…

      • James

        Currency doesn’t need to tied to a commodity. The value of our currency is derived from the fact we have to extinguish our tax obligations in dollars (national unit of account). This ensures all debts, assets, and prices are denominated in dollars.

        Also, what is it with the gold standard? I though you guys hated government subsidies. The gold standard was a government subsidy and utter failure.

        The gold standard was a disaster. The gold standard gave us the the Panic of 1819, 1825, 1837, 1847, 1857, 1866, 1873, 1884, 1890, 1893, 1907, and the Great Depression. We’re looking at a total of ten panics in the 19th century, of which five were followed by a deep recessions
        and/or depressions. Despite my issues with the FED, the US has done WAY better under a fiat system.

        In the US, under the gold standard up until the Depression, the amount of gold reserves controlled the domestic supply of money. Since gold was/is a finite resource, and there hadn’t been any new discoveries in years, it was thought that it would
        somehow create a stable monetary system. For example, if there was a new discovery, and the overall supply changed, this would result in inflation.

        Basically, the gold reserves prevented the expansion of bank reserves and base money. I hope you see the problems inherent in this scenario.

        The FED couldn’t expand their liabilities past their actual gold
        reserves. Operationally, this means once you reached this limit, you can’t purchase any more debt or issue loans to your member banks.

        As a result, bank reserves became limited. If the public at large desired more currency, then the reserves would contract. If other expenditures needed to be financed, the government would have to issue debt or tax. The federal government simply couldn’t just credit commercial bank accounts under the gold standard to increase its spending or finance expenditures.

        We also learned that capitalism is susceptible is massive durations of unemployment without the ability to run deficits. This is was another critical thing we learned from the Great Depression.

  • Philip Arlington

    Well one thing that certainly isn’t going to fix things is trying to go back to the 19th century. The main reason why the U.S. prospered then was that it had abundant underutilised natural resources.

    Do you not know what “socialism” actually means, or do you simply not care about misleading your readers if it helps to sell advertising?

  • Publius II

    You guys all have it wrong. Its not the Dems or Reps, socialism vs facism. Wake up and research the new World Order headed by the international bankers of the WORLD who want to control the World and currently control the US government (Obama is nothing but a pawn) with an Oligarchy. Read the book “The creature from Jekyl Island” and learn the truth that has been hidden from the American people for 100 years.

  • dm777

    This is a nice propaganda piece worthy of the praise of the 1% richest people in America. Let’s see what economic freedoms we have in America:

    1. Freedom to close over 61,000 factories and set up factories in third world countries.
    2. Freedom to lay off over a 100,000,000 American workers and hire cheap labor in other countries.
    3. Freedom to immigrate over 12,000,000 illegal aliens to drive down wages for American workers.
    4. Freedom for the wealthy to shift income to other countries with lower tax rates to avoid paying taxes in America.
    5. Freedom to allow drug companies to engage in legalized extortion from drug patents on many drugs which do not cure.
    6. Freedom for Wall Street to trade in derivatives in excess of the combined wealth of the entire planet.
    7. Freedom for biotech companies to contaminate our food supplies with seeds which have not be thoroughly tested to be safe.
    8. Freedom to murder babies in the womb.

    I could continue with the list. Freedom depends on the person. To one person, a new law may be a blessing. To another person, the same law may be oppression.

    America needs laws which are going to solve problems. America does not need laws which create problems.

  • gunslinger1964

    How in the hell can all those BS laws be done by

    unelected bureaucrats. What in the hell as this freaking country become !!

  • James

    Animated labour 2020 self driving taxis, fully audimated fast food restaurants, cameras every where. There was a time in America when Children worked long hours and there were no weekends. Google how Labour Day started. The middle class was short lived along with its ability to write and change law in the US. Rich people have worked people to death for thousands of years. Many Americans want pensions/ benefits and complain all the time. Lol

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