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The Real Unemployment Number: 102 Million Working Age Americans Do Not Have A Job

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Did you know that the number of working age Americans that do not have a job right now is far higher than it was during the worst moments of the last recession?  For example, in January 2009 92.6 million working age Americans did not have a job, but we just found out that in May the number of working age Americans without a job increased to just a shade under 102 million.  We’ll go over those numbers in more detail in a moment, but first I want to talk a bit about the difference between perception and reality.  According to the bureaucrats in the federal government, the “unemployment rate” in May was the lowest that we have seen in 16 years.  At just “4.3 percent”, we are essentially at “full employment”, and so according to them anyone that really wants a job should be able to find one pretty easily.

Of course that is a load of nonsense.  John Williams of shadowstats.com tracks what our economic numbers would look like if honest numbers were being used, and according to his calculations the unemployment rate is currently 22 percent.

So what accounts for the wide disparity between those numbers?

Well, the truth is that the official “unemployment rate” that the mainstream media endlessly hypes is so manipulated that it has essentially lost all meaning at this point.

In May, we were told that the U.S. economy added 138,000 jobs, but that is not even enough to keep up with population growth.

However, when you look deeper into the numbers some major red flags quickly emerge.  You won’t hear it on the news, but in May the U.S. economy actually lost 367,000 full-time jobs.  That is an absolutely nightmarish figure, and it confirms the fact that economic activity is starting to dramatically slow down.

But somehow the “unemployment rate” in May fell from “4.4 percent” to “4.3 percent”.

How in the world can they do that?

Well, for years the government has been taking large numbers of people from the basket known as “officially unemployed” and dumping them into another basket known as “not in the labor force”.  Since those that are “not in the labor force” do not count toward the official unemployment rate, they can make things look better than they actually are by moving people into that category.

In May, the government added a staggering 608,000 Americans into the “not in the labor force” category.  So now the number of working age Americans “not in the labor force” has reached a total of 94.98 million.  When you add that total to the number of Americans that are “officially” unemployed (6.86 million), you get a grand total of 101.84 million.

In other words, when you round up to the nearest million you get a grand total of 102 million Americans that do not have a job right now.

If you go back to January 2009, there were 81.02 million Americans that were “not in the labor force” and 11.61 million Americans that were considered to be “officially unemployed”.  And so that means that according to the federal government there were 92.63 million working age Americans that did not have a job at that point.

So if the number of working age Americans without a job has risen by 9.21 million since January 2009, are we really doing so much better than we were during the depths of the last recession?

Another way to look at this is by examining the civilian employment-population ratio.  Just before the last recession, about 63 percent of the working age population had a job, but then during the recession that number fell to between 58 and 59 percent for quite a while.  We have finally gotten back to the 60 percent mark, but we are still far, far below the level that we were at before the last recession struck.

And of course all of the above assumes that the numbers that the government is giving us accurately reflect reality, and that is highly questionable.

For example, according to one recent analysis the “business birth and death model” has accounted for 93 percent of all “new jobs” reported by the government since 2008…

As our friends at Morningside Hill calculate, a full 93% of the new jobs reported since 2008 – 6.3 million out of 6.7 million – and 40% of the jobs in 2016 alone were added through the business birth and death model – a highly controversial model which is not supported by the data. On the contrary, all data on establishment births and deaths point to an ongoing decrease in entrepreneurship.

In essence, government bureaucrats pull a number out of the air and add jobs to the report based on an estimate of how many new businesses they think are being created in America in a particular month.

Is it possible that there is a chance that they are being overly optimistic when they make this estimate?

Most people have no idea that the “official numbers” that we get from the government are highly speculative, and there is always a temptation to make things look better than they actually are.

There is no way in the world that we are anywhere near “full employment”.  I hear from people all over the country that say that it is exceedingly difficult to find good jobs where they live.  And according to a brand new report that was just released, the number of job cuts in May 2017 was 71 percent higher than it was in May 2016.

We also know that over the past ten years the average rate of economic growth in the United States exactly matches the average rate of economic growth that the U.S. experienced during the 1930s.

I don’t see how anyone can possibly claim that the U.S. economy is doing well.  Just prior to the last recession there were 26 million Americans on food stamps, and now we have 44 million.  We are on pace to absolutely shatter the all-time record for store closings in a single year, and the number of homeless people living in Los Angeles County has risen by 23 percent over the past 12 months.

But once again, it is a battle of perception vs. reality.  Their televisions are endlessly feeding them the message that everything is just fine, and most Americans seem to be buying it, at least for now…

 
  • Number 1

    First!!!

    • IronBelly

      A blue ribbon for you.

  • FirstGarden

    “Working age Americans” has taken on a new meaning, of late, in corporate America. Age discrimination is huge now. It doesn’t change the stats, but it is part of the problem. A white male in his 50s, looking for work in L.A. county, is a laughable prospect. And it almost WOULD be funny if it weren’t the cause of hurt for so many.

    Big Insurance is behind the age factor. Everyone knows that people under 40 have far fewer health claims. They just couldn’t resist. It’s a win – win for corporations and the insurance companies. They go to the corporations and say, “Look, we’ll keep your premiums way down if you hire young. By the way, we never had this conversation, did we?”

    • socalbeachdude

      Don’t go blaming medical expense insurance companies. Their rates are all based on morbidity tables and actuarily sound underwriting which has been blown away to shreds by ObamaScare. They only pay for the MASSIVE PRICE GOUGING by the hospital and pharmaceutical industries and soon you and everyone else will not be able to find any insurer at any price who will offer coverage for medical expenses. It’s a HUGE LOSS FOR INSURANCE COMPANIES offering that class of L&D insurance and many are EXITING THE BUSINESS already as was the absolutely guaranteed result of ObamaScare.

      • Chuck Morrison

        So, Dude, how do you put 102 million working age Americans back to work, hmmm? I’d like to hear your solution. In other words, you go first. (You’re right, ObummerScare was/is an absolute debacle, and the real solution lies in ACTUAL full employment, not the fake full employment pushed by gubmint statisticians)

        • socalbeachdude

          Well, with the system operating the way it is with corporations FIRING MILLIONS every year, the unemployment (or people not working) situation will just continue to get dramatically worse.

          Enforcing Anti-Trust law is about the only thing that could turn the tide on that.

          • Chuck Morrison

            I would go further. Eliminate corporate ‘personhood’. Break up the mega-conglomerates, especially the media corporations. Require work for welfare payments and foodstamps, even if that work consists only in watching someone else’s kids so THAT person can work. Then start sending non-citizens home, and continue to send them home until full, unsubsidized employment is reached. Of course, this requires trade and domestic policies designed to encourage us to pick our own crops, and make our own things. Not sure that will ever happen. I think they’re currently trying to figure out how to kill everyone that is soon to be replaced by a robot, without taking the blame for it so they can continue to own and run everything.

          • socalbeachdude

            I agree up to you last sentence!

          • Chuck Morrison

            I threw that one in knowing you’d disagree. It may seem a bit over the top, but consider history. It has traditionally been the use of War, as the tool of choice for culling the herd. But the herd does manage to get culled somehow, and 102 million pairs of idle hands is….a lot of idle hands. Some of the Uber Elite Globalist types (like the guys currently at the Bilderberg) refer to them as useless eaters. I think they might be deciding our status right now!

          • FirstGarden

            i.e. Agenda 21.

          • Chuck Morrison

            I hear you! From your keyboard to the BeachDude’s screen; he’s the optimist!

          • socalbeachdude

            That is a totally irrelevant little proposal.

          • Dean

            Don’t forget to “UPVOTE YOURSELF”. Baaaahahahahahaha!!!!!

          • FirstGarden

            Actually he’s not that far off. I don’t think the corporations want to kill anyone off. But it’s the global elite who wish to reduce world population to 1/2 billion. That’s the first objective out of ten in Agenda 21.

          • socalbeachdude

            The world presently has a population of more than 7.5 BILLION PEOPLE and that number will simply continue to increase.

          • Janice

            Chuck…unfortunately the plan is not to put millions back to work. The “System” as set up is not about getting folks off of welfare and working. Nor is it designed to get the unemployed back to work. Poor and unemployed people is the systems bread and butter.

            Why would professional, government bearacrats work themselves out of a job or hefty government contracts? I like Carson’ take on HUD Federal Housing contractors employing public housing residents. But private contractors are balking because they have their own “work crews”… most likely cheap immigrant laborers.

            The “system” is complicit in the globalization construct and not designed to put folks to work. Think of the millions lost in federal-county-local program operating funds if poor and unemployed Americans went to work. Corporate America/private sector dumped millions of “excess workers”. They are now lean, mean and operating at peak efficiency. No one is on a hiring binge. There simply aren’t enough jobs to employ 100 million Americans.

            That’s what globalization has done to work as we knew it. The system has no plans to upend Globalist strategies. The government lies and lies big.

          • Chuck Morrison

            Since the system is rapidly approaching the point of unsustainability, I really have come to the conclusion that their plan is to kill at least 100 million of us. It would be great if the honest, hardworking, kind-hearted folks got together, formed a new party, and ran all the liars, thieves, and murderers out of town, but I know it’s not going to happen. Something very Orwellian, or Hunger Games, is what we’ll get.

          • Janice

            Its awful to see devastating truths unfold? What we have in simplistic terms are principalities of darkness in high places given free reign to rule. But by whom?

          • Chuck Morrison

            The same forces that were allowed to crucify our Lord. When Jesus was tempted in the wilderness, the Devil offered Him ALL the kingdoms of the Earth if He would bow down and worship him. When the 7th bowl is poured out in Revelation, we hear that “now the kingdoms of the Earth have become the Kingdoms of our Lord”. So this is a very long war between celestial beings, and we are the hostages and collateral damage. This war is really above our likes and dislikes, and Peter and Jude warn us against looking too deep, or making judgments without certain knowledge. The earnest of the Spirit residing within us marks us for the Kingdom. We are certainly not exempt from suffering, as Christ suffered for us. But if Christ be for us, who can be against us? The enemy has already lost, knows it, and is attempting to destroy the followers of Christ. Things will get worse. The time for repentance, fasting, and prayer is upon us.

          • Janice

            Chuck…you say it better than I. Tks for the follow up. Folks who know scriptural teachings know these things. We hope man can avert what’s been appears pre-ordained. Certainly my God has given free will to alter our trajectory. We hope man sees the logic and truths embedded in the Bible. We hope whatever and however folks name their higher power…they recognize biblical truth. It’s not a mish-mash of superstitious, old writings. It’s truly a historical guidebook of mans ancient history and admonitions for the future. I’d rather believe it that than a rock, failed leadership of men or the Globalist construct of things.

            Yep things appear to be getting worse. My mom used to say ” Every shut eye ain’t sleep”.

          • marlene

            Now, yours is a plan I can support!

          • Bill

            If you’ve ever been right sized and gone through the outplacement services you know the realities of what’s going on….especially in the tech industry. desperately seeking a lower per employee cost envelope to please investors is the short game. The long game is more sinister. the other Bill

        • JMiller

          Chuck,
          You do not need to put 102 million working age Americans back to work since many of them are retired, are school students, are stay-at-home moms or are disabled. Try about 17 million.

          • Chuck Morrison

            No reasonable person would expect that, and it would be impossible. Caught up in the moment, responding with the number in the article. Careless of me. But I believe that if my plan to quickly send non-citizens home were implemented, you’d find that number to be closer to 30 million. Maybe more.

          • socalbeachdude

            Absolutely false. All 102 million of those folks are NOT WORKING BUT ARE FULLY ELIGIBLE FOR THE LABOR FORCE which is a RECORD HIGH NUMBER of people not employed in the USA.

          • JMiller

            Wrong socalbeachbum. Those groups that I gave who do not work, such as retired persons, high school and college students, stay-at-home moms and disabled persons, have NOT been excluded from the 255 million who are eligible for work (16 years and older). The 255 million who are eligible to work consists of people in the labor force (160 million) and people “not in the labor force” (95 million). Now the 160 million people in the labor force consist of 153 million employed and 7 million unemployed. These are the numbers that are used to get an unemployment rate of 4.3% (7 divided by 160 equals 4.3). And the 95 million people “not in the labor force”, who do not work, consist mostly of retired persons, high school and college students, disabled persons, and stay-at-home parents.

            So yes, there are 102 million people, age 16 years or older, who do not work. 7 million who are considered in the labor force but are unemployed and are counted in the U-3 unemployment rate of 4.3 percent. And 95 million are who are considered “not in the labor force” and mainly consist of retired persons, school students, stay-at-home moms and disabled person. 7 million plus 95 million equals 102 million.

            Now the total population of the U.S. is about 324 million people. 255 million are 16 years or older as discussed above. The remaining 69 million people are children under 16, of which there are about 65 million, and about 4 million people who are either active military personnel or institutionalized persons such as inmates.

          • socalbeachdude

            Once again, many of your assertions are ABSOLUTELY FALSE, and I am not going to take the time to explain it to you yet again if you are really that clueless.

        • Born_On_Constitution_Day

          Stop the currency war, or win it.
          Make American goods the standard for American companies to buy and sell.
          Create and enforce embargos, just like France and other countries that want to protect workers, rather than the cheapest standards of import available.
          Fight the process that allows the value of American labor to be set by slave labor in a country where, if the tyrant government doesn’t like you, they can seize you and harvest your internal organs – Communist China.
          By putting the lowest level of society in the position of choosing handouts, cheap foreign goods, and an economic model that destroys the family and self-sufficiency, and further rewards people who kill the unborn and rewards those who make a buck from commie or Muhammadan/Muhammadist or leftist ignorant peasants – the dregs of other country’s worthless scum, we have put the vast unwashed class of Americans without capital and native intelligence in the same pile as whoever can drag themselves over here and eventually apply for welfare.

      • Bill

        I think you missed his point . It’s all about rating and numbers and large companies (contracts) are rated differently than the community at large. But other than that I agree.

        • Bill

          Not the real Bill. Please change your name.

          • Bill

            I’ve been Bill for 60 years. I think that qualifies as real, whether you like it or not.

          • Bill

            I’ve been Bill for 71 years and registered with Disqus for many years. With over 3800 upvotes and over 1350 comments, and the Disqus policy of not giving a given username to more than one person, I think I made a reasonable request. “Please” honor my request to end the confusion.

          • Bill

            Where is the moderator when he’s needed?

          • Bill

            I’ll change the name but this is not a moderator issue It’s a disqus issue What are you afraid of? email address is what defines who we are. My comments won’t show in your history and the likelihood we cross paths again is slim to none. Lighten up Francis.

      • FirstGarden

        No one’s denying the injustice of the system. Screwing is an equal opportunity phenomenon in the corporate world. As such, there’s plenty of blame to go around.

        Big Med & Big Pharma gouge the public with exorbitant rates. (It’s really a racket – need I elaborate?) Then they gauge Big Insurance, who in turn gouges the public good as I described.. and any other “corners” they can cut.

        No to go into the flagrant violation of federal law.
        Anti-discrimination law is a laughable ghost of corporate past.

        • socalbeachdude

          Medical expense insurance companies certainly do not “gouge” the public at all and are LOSING MONEY with ObamaScare which is why they are now completely WITHDRAWING FROM OFFERING ANY COVERAGE AT ALL in many areas all around the United States.

          • FirstGarden

            I believe you misread my post.

          • socalbeachdude

            Nope.

    • SnodtBlossom

      My boss asks me to bring people in.. and I work for a construction corporation.

      • aliceinwonder

        Are they hiring psychologists? That seems to be what everyone is going into because medical school is too hard, they don’t like physical labor (construction or other such skilled labor) but still want that “title”.

        • Prof

          You are SO right. I’m a college professor and it seems that every nitwit student I run into is a psychology major. The super-smart students always, always major in something else. I wonder if “psychology major” is becoming the new “business major”: in decades past that was the major of choice for the football team and the girls who were just at college to find a husband. (I’m not talking about students at serious business schools like Wharton, of course…)

          • FirstGarden

            I think it’s become something of a fetish, in terms of career prospects. It seems far too competitive. Maybe an ideal career for some, but the smarter ones go where the market is.

          • JC Teecher

            The idea of psycho analyzing others, has a certain degree of ego enlargement to it, as well as being able to demand 6 figure salaries, starting out.
            Kinda like being a lawyer, with a whole lot less work, and oversight.
            Too much credit and acceptance is given to shrinks, and their opinions. Some do a good job and have a fair amount of credibility and work ethic, but I would never trust a psychologist/shrink. I trust in my Maker first and foremost, and He has never let me down, or tried to have me committed. lol.

        • SnodtBlossom

          i work for a construction corporation

      • Barry

        And?? Are you bringing in older folks or younger? The subject you replied to was about companies not hiring older people (50+). How is your comment relevant? Please explain.

        • SnodtBlossom

          My boss didn’t make age distinctions.. and I haven’t found anyone I thought would make a good candidate to bring in

      • LIZ THE SHIZ

        ever think he’s trying to replace you ?

        • SnodtBlossom

          nah.. we want numbers of people

    • Thaddeus Weakley

      30 is over-the-hill for most jobs know. Old enough to have education, experience, and be a major threat to any Corporate Crime Machine…..

  • curious

    Underemployment is a big problem. Employers do not want to hire full time workers because of the cost of medical.

    I am self employed but I cannot even afford the cost of my own medical. I can barely afford rent. I went to the dentist once in six years, paid out of pocket.

    • socalbeachdude

      So, just quit working and then you can get MEDICAID for FREE in at least 34 states including here in California!

      • Bill

        better not win the lottery, there’s probably a clawback for that

        • socalbeachdude

          Indeed, having any income above $14,000 a year creates major problems!

  • socalbeachdude

    Yes, we have record high unemployment in the USA with around one-third of the American population not working at all these days. But seriously, why would anyone want to actually work? The ultimate Utopian dream has always been a society where NOBODY WORKS and we are rapidly on our way to achieving that wonderful Utopian ideal!

    • Guest

      You would know.

    • rant1200 .

      Seeing the number of your posts,I would say you already are a member of the “Leisure Society”.

      • Guest

        Very likely. But he’ll probably retort that he has some important job in Southern California making six figures. Right.

        • JC Teecher

          To the liberal establishment and deep state anti christian leftists spying agencies, he is important, as the ECB “paid” troll.

          • socalbeachdude

            What utterly false BS nonsense.

        • LIZ THE SHIZ

          restaurant parking valet gets big tips LOL

          • socalbeachdude

            Laughably false.

        • aldownunder

          I think he has a cushy job at the Fed

          • socalbeachdude

            Nope. I don’t work at all.

      • socalbeachdude

        Most all folks in Beverly Hills are!

    • ollie173

      UGH!…For real…you are an ignoramus!

    • disqus_8fnHZuw7j5

      I hope you are being funny (but I doubt it)…..I think you truly believe that this what will make the world paradise…but you are sadly mistaken. Have you thought about the ramifications of putting all power into elite groups hands around the world? Giving them ultimate power? We are clearly on this path, but for the sake of sovereignty (not just the US), its gotta stop Otherwise, your Utopian society is 100% communism and enslavement. You will be 100% controlled, have less freedom and no opportunity to fight back. Without anyone working for businesses, we would all be a bunch of thumb-spinning, mindless bodies wondering the earth – basically cows in a pasture, waiting to be herded and told where to go and eventually be slaughtered. If you think that is funny and/or inaccurate, let me continue…….if nobody works for businesses (eventually) and/or all businesses are governed/owned/operated by the government or elite groups, they can enforce the machines and technology to control the mindless minions (which are all of us) to do what they what. So a universal basic income (UBI) really sounds great to you still? They are fishing you are biting the bait. You have the mentality of a five year old being fed candy….tastes good, feels good for awhile….until your are back at the perpetrators house (the gov’t) and you are tied up and no longer free to roam. I could go on and on and on, giving you different analogies – but the point is your Utopian society/open society/socialist society is a scam……one of the biggest lies ever told….and the sad truth its working overall and continuing to go forth. But I hope at least one person reading my message here wakes up and sees that its not as Disney and dandy as you have been told.

      • jaxon64

        Agreed. Someone seriously needs to read 1984, The Hunger Games, Brave New World or a score of other novels. When the elite no longer need the serfs for labor, do you think they are going to want billions of “useless eaters and polluters” on THEIR planet? Not when automation, robotics and a limited number of servile sycophants will suffice.

        • Janice

          Read all except the Hunger Games. The eye opener reads for me were The End of Work, Third Wave and Power Shift.

          Big Pharm, Big Ag, Monsanto are doing their part to slowly reduce populations. Opioids and drugs are ravaging millions more. Sounds like a great culling strategy is already in play.

          • SMASH THE CONTROL MACHINE

            AND HERE IS WHO AMERICA IS IN THE BIBLE…..BABYLON..WHAT THE PROPHETS SAID ABOUT BABYLON

            1. Babylon would be an END TIME GREAT NATION (Rev 17,18; Isa 13:6).

            2. Babylon would have a huge seaport city within its borders (Rev 18:17).

            3. The Great City Babylon is the home of a world government attempt (Rev 17:18).

            4. The Great City Babylon would be the economic nerve center of the world (Rev 18:3).

            5. Babylon would be the center of a one world Luciferian religious movement (Jer 51:44).

            6. Babylon would be the center for the move to a global economic order (Rev 13:16).

            BABYLON THE NATION

            1. Babylon would be the youngest and greatest of the end time nations (Jer 50:12).

            2. Babylon would the QUEEN AMONG THE NATIONS (Isa 47:5,7; Rev 18:7).

            3. Babylon would be the most powerful nation in the world (Isa 47, Jer 50, 51, Rev 18).

            4. Babylon would be the HAMMER OF THE WHOLE EARTH (Jer 50:23; Rev 18:23).

            5. Babylon is called a lady, and has the symbol of the Lady (Isa 47:7-9).

            6. Babylon would be the praise of the WHOLE EARTH (Jer 51:41).

            7. Babylon is center of world trade (Jer 51:44; Rev 17:18; 18:19).

            8. Babylon would grow to be the richest nation in the world (Rev 18:3, 7, 19, 23).

            9. All nations that traded with Babylon would grow rich (Rev 18:3).

            10. The merchants of Babylon were the GREAT MEN OF THE EARTH (Rev 18:23).

            11. Babylon is a huge nation, with lands, cities, and great wealth (implied throughout).

            12. Babylon is nation “peeled”, or timbered, a land of open fields (Isa 18:2).

            13. Babylon is land quartered by mighty rivers (Isa 18:2).

            14. Babylon is a land that is measured out, and populated throughout (Isa 18:2).

            15. Babylon destroys her own land, with pollution and waste (Isa 14:20, 18:2, 7).

            16. Babylon is a land rich in mineral wealth (Jer 51:13).

            17. Babylon is a the leading agricultural nation of the world (Jer 50, 51; Rev 18).

            18. Babylon is the leading exporting nation in the world (Jer 51:13; Rev 18).

            19. Babylon is the leading importing nation of the entire world.(Jer 50, 51; Rev 18).

            20. Babylon is a nation filled with warehouses and granaries (Jer 50:26).

            21. Babylon is the leading INDUSTRIAL NATION OF THE WORLD (Isa 13, 47, Jer 50, 51; Rev 18).

            22. Babylon is noted for her horses (Jer 50:37).

            23. Babylon is noted for her cattle, sheep and other livestock (Jer 50:26, 27; Rev 18:13).

            24. Babylon is noted for her fine flour and mill operations (Rev 18:13).

            25. Babylon is a nation of farmers and harvests huge crops (Jer 50:16, 26, 27).

            26. Babylon is a huge exporter of MUSIC (Rev 18:22).

            27. Babylon’s musicians are known around the world (Rev 18:22)

            28. Babylon has a huge aviation program (Isa 14:13-14; Jer 51:53; Hab 1:6-10).

            29. Babylon’s skies are filled with the whisper of aircraft wings (Isa 18:1; Jer 51:53).

            30. Babylon has a huge space industry, has “mounted up to the heavens” (Jer 51:53).

            31. Babylon fortifies her skies with a huge military aviation program (Jer 51:53).

            32. Babylon is portrayed as a leading in high tech weapons and abilities (Jer 51:53; Hab 1:6-10; implied throughout).

            33. Babylon is a nation filled with warm water seaports (Rev 18:17-19).

            34. Babylon is a coastal nation and sits upon MANY WATERS (Jer 51:13).

            35. Babylon trades with all who have ships in the sea year round (Rev 18:17-18).

            36. Babylon is nation filled with a “mingled” people (Jer 50:37).

            37. Babylon is a SINGULAR NATION founded upon OUT OF MANY, ONE (Isa 13, 47, Jer 50, 51, Hab 1).

            38. Babylon is a REPUBLIC or a DEMOCRACY, it is ruled by many counsels (Isa 47:13).

            39. Babylon’s governmental system breaks down (Isa 47:13).

            40. Babylon is bogged down with deliberations and cannot govern properly (Isa 47:13).

            41. Babylon’s leaders use astrology, seers and mystics for guidance (Isa 47:13; Rev 18:2).

            42. Babylon labored in the occult from her very inception (Isa 47:12).

            43. Babylon falls to the occult just before her end by nuclear fire (Rev 18:2)

            44. Babylon was born as a CHRISTIAN NATION (Jer 50:12).

            45. Babylon turns upon its heritage and destroys it all in the end (Jer 50:11).

            46. Babylon’s Christian leaders lead their flock astray in prophecy and salvation (Jer 50:6; implied Rev 18:2).

            47. Babylon’s Christian leaders are “strangers” in the Lord Houses of Worship (Jer 51:51).

            48. The people of Babylon are deep into astrology and spiritism (Isa 47:12; Rev 18:2).

            49. Babylon becomes the home of all antichrist religions in the world (Rev 18:2).

            50. Babylon is a nation of religious confusion (Isa 47:12-13).

            51. Babylon turns upon its own people and imprisons and slays them by millions (Jer 50:7,33; 51:35; 39; Dan 7:25; Rev 13:7; 17:6; 18:24).

            52. Babylon sets of detention centers for Jews and Christians and rounds them up for extermination (Jer 50:7, 33; 51:35, 49; Rev 17:6; 18:24).

            53. Babylon has a mother nation that remains in existence from her birth to death (Jer 50: 12).

            54. The mother of Babylon has the symbol of the LION (Dan7:4; Eze 38:13; Jer 51:38; Psalms 17:12).

            55. The mother of Babylon will rule over her daughter her entire life (Dan 7:4; Jer 50:12).

            56. The mother of Babylon will be a state of major decline as the end nears (Jer 50:12).

            57. Babylon is considered to be a lion’s whelp (Eze 38:13; Jer 51:38).

            58. Babylon will have the symbol of the EAGLE and builds her nest in the stars (Dan 7:4 EAGLE WINGS; Isa 14:13-14; Jer 51:53).

            59. Babylon turns totally antichrist and is the leading antichrist power at the end (Rev 18:2; Isa 14:4-6).

            60. THE KING OF BABYLON is called LUCIFER, the ANTICHRIST (Isa 14:4-6).

            61. The King of Babylon will rule from THE GREAT CITY BABYLON (Isa 14:4-6; Rev 17: 18).

            62. A world government entity will rise up to rule the world from BABYLON THE CITY (Isa 14; Hab 2, Rev 13, 17, 18).

            63. This world entity will be a diverse entity, different than all other ruling bodies of the world (Dan 7:7, 23).

            64. This entity will be a TREATY POWER ENTITY (Dan 7:7, 23 DIVERSE).

            65. This entity will rise up and use the military power of Babylon the nation to RULE THE WORLD (Isa 14:4-6; Hab 1 & 2, Rev 13, 17).

            66. Babylon is a huge producer and exporter of automobiles (Jer 50:37; Rev 18:13).

            67. Babylon is a nation of CRAFTSMEN, experts in their trade (Jer 50, 51, Rev 18:22).

            68. Babylon is noted for her jewelry of gold and silver (Rev 18:22).

            69. Babylon is a huge importer and exporter of spices (Rev 18:13).

            70. Babylon is a huge exporter of fine marble products (Rev 18:22).

            71. Babylon is noted for her iron and steel production (Rev 18:12).

            72. Babylon has huge corporations that have bases around the world (Rev 18:23, implied throughout)

            73. Babylon is a nation of higher education and learning (Isa 47:10, implied throughout).

            74. Babylon is a nation with a GREAT VOICE in world affairs (Jer 51:55)

            75. Babylon is a VIRGIN NATION, untouched by major war (Isa 47:1).

            76. Babylon has a vast military machine (Jer 50:36; 51:30; Hab 1 & 2, Rev 13:4).

            77. Babylon will be instrumental in the setting up of Israel in the Middle East, and is the home of God’s people (Jer 50:47; 51:45).

            78. Babylon will have a major enemy to her north (Jer 50:3, 9, 41).

            79. Babylon’s enemy will lie on the opposite side of the world, over the poles (Isa 13:5)

            80. The enemy of Babylon will be a FEDERAL OF NATIONS (Jer 50:9).

            81. The enemy of Babylon will be largely Moslem in make-up (Jer 50:17; Rev 17:16; Psalms 83:5-12).

            82. The enemy of Babylon will have nuclear missiles capable of reaching Babylon (Jer 50:9, 14,; Rev 18:8, 18).

            83. The enemy of Babylon will be noted for her cruelty (Isa 13, 14, Jer 50, 51, Rev 17, 18).

            84. The enemy of Babylon will also have a huge aviation military machine (Jer 50:9, 14, Rev 18:8, 18 implied throughout).

            85. The enemy of Babylon will come into Babylon unnoticed (Isa 47:11, Jer 50:24; 51:2, 14).

            86. Babylon will be filled with her enemies brought in under the guise of peace (Dan 11:21).

            87. Babylon will have all of her borders cut off, and there will be no way of

            escape (Jer 50:28; 51:32).

            88. Babylon will be destroyed by nuclear fire (Implied throughout)

            89. Babylon is land vast land with huge cities, towns and villages throughout (Implied throughout).

            90. Babylon will have been a huge missionary nation for Jesus Christ (Jer 50:11; 51:7).

            91. Babylon would be a home to multitudes of Jews who leave (Jer 50:4-6, 8; 51:6, 45)

            92. The people of Babylon would not know their true identity (Jer 50:6, implied throughout).

            93. The people of Babylon would think they are God’s elect and eternal (Isa 47:7-8, Rev 18:7).

            94. The people of Babylon would enjoy the highest standard of living in the world (Rev 18:7).

            95. The people of Babylon would grow mad upon their idols (Jer 50:2, 38; Hab 2:18).

            96. The people of Babylon would go into deep sins of all kinds (Rev 18:5).

            97. The nation Babylon dwells carelessly before the Lord (Isa 47:8).

            98. Babylon becomes proud, haughty, and does not consider her end (Isa 47:7-8).

            99. Babylon deals in the occult, in sorceries and drugs (Isa 47:9, 12; Rev 18:23)

            These are but a few of the many parameters listed to help us identify this last great nation that the Lord calls BABYLON THE GREAT. America does now, or is in the process of fulfilling each and every one of them. No other nation upon the face of the earth can fulfill these parameters. AMERICA IS BABYLON THE GREAT. There would likewise be a series of SIGNS that would would begin to emerge that would give BIRTH TO, and WATCH THE RISE OF, as well as THE FALL OF AMERICA-BABYLON..

          • socalbeachdude

            The USA has nothing whatsoever to do with the ancient city of Babylon and the USA is a country that is only 240 years old.

          • Janice

            Smash…Wow. Just wow. You really went to church on that one. Seriously…Tks for posting the biblical perspective. Yep I’m familiar with THAT book as well! We always look for rational explanations but the Bible already covers unfolding events. It is frightening, disheartening to see these things playing out. Guess it’s time to put on the whole armor of God…and stand.

          • JC Teecher

            Yes and yes. Once again, sbd hasn’t a clue about biblical truths and understandings. Babylon is certainly represented well by USSAG, and the world’s economic and banking center heart, is in NY City, and more important is the fact that the center of the NWO is represented by the UN Headquarters in NY City.
            Europe and the rest of the world have their share of babylon = confusion, and UN representation present, and God tells us that the majority of the world will follow the Beast/NWO system when the supreme evil leader of it, arrives on the scene.

            I believe the fall of that “great city” is a direct finger pointing for NY City, and in the very last days, it will be smashed to pieces by a giant asteroid and tidal wave, and become nothing but a habitation for demonic spirits.
            sbd has such a limited and low IQ, he can’t distinguish the Creator Omnipotent, from man’s limited brain capacity to know and understand. He may someday, but his someday may be too late.

          • Janice

            JC…here you go with more truths many folks ignore. Everyone isn’t grounded the same way. Everyone reaches truth from different perspectives. It can take many twists and turns. Even if we go off on different branches…I think we are saying similar things. I appreciate all input. It broadens the discussions. Thank you for yours as well! Much appreciated.

      • socalbeachdude

        I take it that you do not have much in assets.

        • disqus_8fnHZuw7j5

          what the hell are you talking about? Your comment is the liberal comment. I am not liberal. I am not on welfare or any government assistance. I actually work for one of the largest tech companies in the world. What the hell does your comment mean? I am anxiously awaiting your reply.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Huh?

          • disqus_8fnHZuw7j5

            you ask huh and than upvote your own comment? You have got some serious issues…..I suggest getting off the computer and away from the screen for a long time. Its seriously impacting your frontal lobe.

    • Janice

      Dude…you are correct again. Not a utopian dream…Globalist planning. As per Jeremy Rifkin’s 1995 “End of Work”……Globalization is creating a “workerless” economy. There was a tsunami of changes slowly building up in the world of work caused by globalization. The 2008 economic implosion (pre-Obama) formally signaled Globalization had arrived. Millions of American workers were jettisoned from Corporate America/businesses. Globalization deemed Americans an “overpaid, excess” liability.

      Globalism advocates promised us expanded economic opportunities and “a new service economy”. We were clueless. Plant modernization, computerization, robotics made some jobs obsolete. Industry global outsourcing eliminated jobs. Insourcing cheaper foreign labor replaced/displaced millions. Decades of foreign, low wage replacement workers were in the funnel. Unions were decimated. Wages were flattening-decreasing. Too many chasing too few livable wage jobs.

      Globalism demands the cheapest workers from any source…by any means necessary. Up and down the job food chain…in every job sector, Americans must now compete with a lower wage foreign workforce with/without degrees, skills, training, experience.

      Globalists demand low wage widgets to shuffle around where the need is.

      • jaxon64

        What is scary is this– what do the globalist elites plan to do with the masses of unemployed and unneeded laborers and serfs?

        • Janice

          Jaxon64….Honestly I dont know. I’m retired. The world as it is, belongs to the youngsters…many of whom are as clueless as we were.

          I’m sure the Global Elites have planned for that. Globalization took decades and decades to plan and implement and sell to a clueless population.

          The legacy Elites…the old American Oligarchy and European Aristicracy have always been the hidden power brokers, shot callers. Once the masses no longer serve their needs…we’ll all be reduced to useless widgets.

          Think Global Governance…Global Open Borders… limiting nation State sovereignty. How about the daily EU crisis, chaos, mayhem and its voiceless-defenseless citizens. Can’t happen here right? Look around. Think NWO.

    • FirstGarden

      It is in the heart of man to work, to dream, to build, to be productive. Utopia is not a giant Woodstock of bliss bunnies gathered around, passing around the pipe and singing Kumbaya.

      Rather, it would be a place where each can follow his own dream, providing it is to the public good or betterment of self & society.

      But I would submit this for your consideration:
      All Utopian dreams are pipe dreams.

      There is no brotherhood of man without the fatherhood of God.

      There is no Kingdom of God without the King.
      Messiah said that His kingdom is not of this world.

      Human nature is innately selfish, and there will always be some who wish to dominate and exploit.

      The best we can hope for is a few good examples to follow, who emulate Kingdom principle, who are possessed of His Spirit and demonstrate His benevolent character.

      I know that many squirm at the mention of religion and/or spiritual values. And I, too, am uncomfortable, when it comes to the man-made aspects of it.

      This life on earth is a dress rehearsal for Eternity. In the long run, those who live by the eternal value system thrive. And those who live by the temporal value system do not.

      Wise men across the ages knew this and placed an emphasis on the former, not the latter.

  • Bob

    So the government redefines unemployed workers after 4 weeks as “discouraged workers” and not “unemployed”.. Furthermore, after one year, they drop out of the unemployment statistics. Yet, they still do not have full time employment and want to work. I define this fruit as an apple, but not a real apple after 4 weeks. And after one year, It no longer exists despite its existence. .

    After this excursion in and out of reality, do we all know why so many people live in the street homeless?

    • socalbeachdude

      Yep, you got that one right! Unemployment by the BLS (Bureau of Labor Statistics) – otherwise referred to as the Bureau of LIES AND STATISTICS – is shown in 6 classes from U1 through U6 but what is reported by the media and the government is the U3 statistic which is just what you described rather accurately.

      http://www.BLS.gov

    • FirstGarden

      That makes them sun-dried, shriveled apples.

  • socalbeachdude

    As to labor participation, apparently according to the BLS around 102 million Americans have NO INTEREST IN WORKING at all, and seriously, why should they when WELFARE is the ticket to being in the top 20%?

    WANT TO INSTANTLY BECOME A TOP 20%er?

    The Average US Welfare Payment Puts You In The Top 20% Of All Income Earners

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2015/05/04/the-average-us-welfare-payment-puts-you-in-the-top-20-of-all-income-earners/

    • ollie173

      Really!…you are an idiot!

      • JC Teecher

        X 100!

      • socalbeachdude

        Hardly, but that might well apply to YOU!

      • aldownunder

        socalbeachdude is definitely not an idiot
        He does have a tendency to go over the top occasionally but in general his posts are intelligent and informative

        • socalbeachdude

          Thank you, al!

        • JMiller

          I agree that socalbeachdude is not an idiot and I find most of his posts are from someone who has some intelligence and does provide some useful info when he is right. But unfortunately his arrogance keeps him from seeing the truth when he is wrong as can be seen by his lack of knowledge about the 95 million “Not In The Labor Force” which includes retired persons, disabled persons, school students etc…as stated by the BLS website.

    • LIZ THE SHIZ

      ???????????????/ WTF that would be over 70K PER YEAR ,no wonder no one wants to work but then Forbes is dubious

    • Bill

      top 20% globally….now adjust to cost of living by location

    • FirstGarden

      “102 million Americans have NO INTEREST IN WORKING at all.”

      Really?? Too many people out there would like the dignity of a job. 102 million bums? With due respect, that does sounds like quite an exaggeration.

      • socalbeachdude

        I am just stating the OFFICIAL LINE FROM THE BLS to explain the 102 million people not working which should have been clear from the exact wording I used above!

      • JMiller

        FirstGarden,

        About 75 million of them have no interest in working because they are old and are retired. Or they go to school full-time. Or they take care of a family. Or they have severe disabilities. These people make up the majority of the 95 million “not in the labor force” category and are part of the 102 million not working. socalbeachbum is wrong.

        • socalbeachdude

          Your assertions are absolutely false.

    • JMiller

      About 75 million of them have no interest in working because they are old and are retired. Or they go to school full-time. Or they take care of a family. Or they have severe disabilities. Not because they are lazy like you seem to believe all of them are.

      • socalbeachdude

        Those assertions are ABSOLUTELY FALSE. Very few of that group is “old and retired” at all. Yes, some go school and those that do SHOULD BE WORKING BUT AREN’T. Nobody in that group designated as ELIGIBLE TO PARTICIPATE in the labor force is disabled at all, as all disabled people are EXCLUDED from that group.

  • South Texas

    But hey, we need more legal immigration because corporate America can’t find these people with ‘skillz’.

  • billtheguy

    Insurance companies are into medical to make a profit. I was recently laid off and got my COBRA in the mail. It was $500.00 per month for a $2500.00 deductible and 80/20% after that. Not very good. Who can afford that on mailbox money? I was laid off due to a lack of work. They told me “Don’t wait to be called back” I’m 58, and in very good health. First Garden is right. My thought is to move Medicare down to the age 55 and companies and insurance companies can breath a little easier.

    • JC Teecher

      As long as a person is in fairly good health, and are not on expensive medications, the decision of whether to be insured, or non-insured, is a “no-brainer”.
      By going uninsured, you can pocket the $500.00 for five months (without medical needs), and there is your deductible base, and each month you can add another $500.00 to that, you can create your own medical fund, or go to an extremely high deductible, like $10k, Catastrophic Insurance Plan that has affordable premiums.

      Risky? Maybe so; but what isn’t risky these days? A short drive to the store can be more risky than eating Pacific harvested fish. Drunks and medicated drivers are everywhere, and not to mention the idiots that have to text and make calls while driving.

      I have a lady friend that is absolutely miserable because of her job and the pressure that comes with recent changes. She is 63, and has 40 years of SS Retirement built up, along with another $150k of savings, but refuses to quit work because of “fear”.
      She fears getting sick or injured, without medical insurance, and it wiping out all her savings, or having medical bill leans attached to her house and land.

      It’s no wonder people are dying from stress related problems, because they live in constant fear/stress, of things that have not happened yet, and may never happen. Kinda sounds insane when you take a serious look at life.
      Some people are just worry warts.

      • socalbeachdude

        ObamaScare does not allow anyone to “go uninsured” at all and there are very substantially IRS penalties for anyone who does that now.

    • socalbeachdude

      Medical expense insurance company are REQUIRED AT ALL TIMES BY STATE INSURANCE COMMISSIONS TO MAINTAIN SOLVENCY or they will be taken into conservatorship and then shut down.

    • shawnfahrer

      You want THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT to be EVEN FURTHER IN DEBT by paying for Medicare for people from age 55 – 64??? You must be joking!!! Eventually, the Feds will REFUSE TO PAY THE DEBTORS, and when they complain, quietly SILENCE THEM (permanently), which will retire their debt (thus reducing the National Debt in a most violent way). Do you want “government death squads” eradicating MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE? Then put another budget – busting, debt – expanding, fiscally IRRESPONSIBLE idea like this out there….

  • Guest

    102 million working age Americans! That is mind-boggling. I wonder what these people do all day. How do they survive? Are they living with family members?

    • LIZ THE SHIZ

      they shop online at AMAZON and never pay the bill, life is good when you vote Democrat

      • socalbeachdude

        You can’t shop on Amazon and not pay your bill.

        • JC Teecher

          With a continual supply of stolen credit cards/numbers, you can, as long as you keep changing the “ship to” address.

          • socalbeachdude

            Anyone who does that is a CRIMINAL.

          • JC Teecher

            Where did you come up with such a profound understanding and assessment?
            IQ training?

    • JC Teecher

      I think most are living with family, like mom and dad, and grandpa and grandma, but the remainder get free housing/rent, and monthly allotments because….”they have kids”. Kids are key to opening up the pandora’s box of local, state, and Federal goodies.
      Just ask the Mexicans and African Americans, they know how to best work the system to live off the backs of taxpayers…without working or even attempting to work part time.
      In our state, if a person is between the age of 18 and 50, and “do not have kids under 18, or they are not identified as disabled by the state”; they must work at least 20 hours per week or be in a job training program for a minimum of 20 hours, or into a higher learning educational program for a minimum of 20 hours, in order to receive benefits.
      The benefits monthly amount is then determined by, the maximum amount of income that person brings into the household.

      Is the program working to reduce applicants and get people back to work?
      According to an article published by a local news organization, at least one county has seen a drop by 1400 recipients over a six month period.
      Evidently these people have either found work, or just refused to follow the 20 hour requirement, and dropped out of the program.

      According to state lawmakers, and leaders; the ruling is directly linked to the gov/state unemployment statistics. So, the state can change the requirements if they so choose, if they believe the unemployment numbers for particular counties are in line with gov figures.

      According to one source of mine from a local agency that works in that county office, the plan was to amend the new rules change to include persons up to the age of 60, instead of 50, last Fall. However; the Republican Governor lost his re-election bid, and was replaced by a democrat, and the new amendment would never have passed with approval from him, so the story goes, and the amendment for the new age requirement was tabled and sent to file 13.

      • Janice

        Oops JC. Numerically more White Americans are on Welfare than Blacks. But Blacks on Welfare represent a larger % of their Black population.

        Regardless more Americans are relying on Welfare than ever. Massive job losses forced many to seek assistance. A new class of poor is emerging from the ranks of the once middle class. It would appear many more Americans have no “boot straps to lift themselves out of poverty. Doubling up with family may be new to some but those in generational poverty know it well.

        Plenty folks who were scamming the system were flushed out with new rules. Those who successfully work the system know how to continuously loop through “programs” to remain eligible. Again…government subsidizes poverty.

        The Welfare-Poverty Industry rakes in billions. Poor folks don’t get rich on welfare. It’s the private contract service providers who make a killing. More poor people….more government funded private contract “service providers” needed.

        Maybe that’s what Globalist meant by “a new service economy and expanded economic opportunity”.
        The government (taxes) supports/subsidizes the poverty industry. The wealthy, politically connected know poor people represent a gold mine that creates, sustains diversifies the wealth of those in the know.

        Corporations/businesses are leaner, meaner and do more with less workers. Salaries, bonuses, pensions, bennies-perks, company matched 401ks are a costly operating expense.

        Unless you are part of the uber-wealthy Global Elite, work defines you. No work…no purpose…No utopia.

        • socalbeachdude

          100% correct, Janice, and thanks for your many excellent and accurate comments!

        • JC Teecher

          Janice says:

          “Oops JC. Numerically more White Americans are on Welfare than Blacks. But Blacks on Welfare represent a larger % of their Black population.”

          I think you have misconstrued what I said.
          The Mexicans and African Americans are better at working the system, for their freebies. I never gave any stats according to demographics or race, but I do know there are more caucasians receiving benefits overall, but that is not the issue, since caucasians represent about 70+ percent of the total population in usa. Believe me, I see plenty of poor caucasians on a regular basis, and sadly, way too many of them are what I classify as poor white trash. Many worse than the poor black and brown trash in our area.
          The reason I said this about the Mexicans and African Americans, is they are very good at playing dumb when doing anything about receiving benefits, and a case worker is provided for them to help do all their paperwork, of which, leaves no stone un-turned, as far as them getting anything and everything available, for free.
          The case workers have no skin in the game of trying to limit their freebies; in fact they have a reason to keep the welfare and freebie trains a running…as it is called… “job security”.

    • Bill

      forced retirement until the money runs out for the older marginalized. (Money = failing retirement plans, social security and personal accounts).

    • JMiller

      Well 38 million of them are retired with the overwhelming majority being age 65 and older. About 22 million are disabled, either permanently or temporarily. About 15 million are full-time high school or college students and about 10 million people, mostly women, stay at home because of family responsibilities. So that leaves about 17 million people who have no reason why they can’t work full-time and who should be counted as being unemployed but only 7 million of them are counted as being officially unemployed.

      • socalbeachdude

        Nope. Those groups consisting of around 68 million people have ALREADY BEEN EXCLUDED from the numbers of PEOPLE FULLY ELIGIBLE FOR THE WORK FORCE.

        The total number of people ACTUALLY EMPLOYED IN THE USA IS NOW LESS THAN 154,000 which is LESS THAN HALF THE 324 MILLION residents of the USA.

        United States Employed Persons 1950

        The number of employed persons in The United States decreased to 152.9 million in May of 2017 from 153.1 million in April of 2017. Employed Persons in the United States averaged 103.68 million from 1950 until 2017, reaching an all time high of 153.1 million in April of 2017 and a record low of 57.6 million in January of 1950.

        https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/employed-persons

        • JMiller

          Wrong socalbeachdude. Those groups that I gave who do not work, such as retired persons, high school and college students, stay-at-home moms and disabled persons, have NOT been excluded from the 255 million who are eligible for work (16 years and older). The 255 million who are eligible to work consists of people in the labor force (160 million) and people “not in the labor force” (95 million). Now the 160 million people in the labor force consist of 153 million employed and 7 million unemployed. These are the numbers that are used to get an unemployment rate of 4.3% (7 divided by 160 equals 4.3). And the 95 million people “not in the labor force”, who do not work, consist mostly of retired persons, high school and college students, disabled persons, and stay-at-home parents.

          So yes, there are 102 million people, age 16 years or older, who do not work. 7 million who are considered in the labor force but are unemployed and are counted in the U-3 unemployment rate of 4.3 percent. And 95 million are who are considered “not in the labor force” and mainly consist of retired persons, school students, stay-at-home moms and disabled person. 7 million plus 95 million equals 102 million.

          Now the total population of the U.S. is about 324 million people. 255 million are 16 years or older as discussed above. The remaining 69 million people are children under 16, of which there are about 65 million, and about 4 million people who are either active military personnel or institutionalized persons such as inmates.

          Everything I said above is true and can be proven.

          • socalbeachdude

            Absolutely false. Most of those groups are ALREADY EXCLUDED IN THE 68 MILLION AMERICANS NOT ELIGIBLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE LABOR FORCE.

            As Timothy Wallace stated recently, 320 million people, 251 million of working age, non-institutional, non-military. So, 69 million are “outside” this working age group, it includes “institutionalized” – prisons, hospitals, etc., and military. The balance then of the 69 million would be children.

            Bottom line however is that 149 million are working to support 171 million in one form or another. And of those 149 million, 20 million are GOVERNMENT “workers”. SO, 129 million are working to support 191 million others. Let’s stop thinking about this, it keeps getting worse.

            And of those 129 million, probably 25 million are part time – so 104 million workers are working to support 216 million.

            Yep, it got worse.

            This is all you need to know:

            2007 vs. 2015 September Reports
            Population working age- 232,461,000 to 251,325,000 – +18.9 million
            Employed – 146,448,000 to 148,980,000 – +2.5 million
            Full time employed – 121,728,000 to 122,303,000 – +575,000!

            So, in EIGHT YEARS we have added 575,000 full time jobs, while the working age population has grown 18.9 million!!

            Great economy we have going there.

          • JMiller

            Socalbeachdude,

            There are 320 million people in the U.S. 65 million are children under 16. Now after we subtract the 65 million children that leaves us with 255 million people. Now take the 255 million people minus the 4 million people who are in the military and in prison and we have 251 million people left who you say are working age people and in another post you say that they are eligible to participate in the labor force. Well these 251 million people include retired people, disabled people, older school students and stay-at-home moms, just like I have been saying. But in another post you said that retirees and disabled people are not eligible to participate in the labor force even though they are part of the 251 million working age and eligible to participate in the labor force group. You are contradicting yourself. Do not be afraid to admit you are wrong. I have been wrong plenty of times when it comes to subjects that I knew little about. This is not one of those times.

  • JC Teecher

    I am glad ECB did this article. The faux/masked numbers of the unemployed and under employed are a major factor in the economic debt bubble of personal debt and public debt.
    The liberals and corporate gurus want more people to be added to the population, for their own selfish interests. The liberals/dems see every new immigrtant/refugee as a vote for them, and do not care if they rely on taxpayers to fund them. The corporate heads see every new adult immigrant/refugee as another “cheap” worker, so they can benefit with with higher profits, and bigger bonuses at the end of the day.

    When does it all end? When does greed and lust for power and more money stop taking center stage? According to what my Bible teaches, it only gets worse, until the very end. And; the sad part is that much of it comes from so-called Christians, that have the same greed, and love of money, mentality, because; they have become indoctrinated to the love of the world and it’s stuff.

    The days are fast approaching when people will be “forced” to accept the fact that everything that they have been trying to grasp and accumulate is nothing more than fleeting illusions of happiness.
    True happiness can’t be bought or gained through more money and stuff.
    Soon, material possessions will become less important than having a strong foundation of spiritual fulfillment. The only possessions that will be important when the shtf, will be security items, food reserves and seeds for growing more, and having a solid faith based foundation for living through true Christianity via God’s Word.

    • Carl

      “True happiness can’t be bought or gained through more money and stuff.”

      While this is true. The reality of this world is that stuff is what creates jobs. People are already embracing the less is more attitude and jobs are disappearing.

      Retailers are now selling direct to the public online. They are cutting out the middle man who sold to the retailer and while the retailers can still sell online, they are competing directly with the manufacturer.

      And many of these manufacturers are offering discounts that retailers cannot match because their wholesale costs are a lot higher than the manufacturer’s bottom line.

      Thus whoever can offer the price the lowest will get the sale. So the retailers play the game on Amazon sell items at 70 – 80% off MSRP. So these bottom feeders are maybe making 5% when you factor in shipping costs to get products and send to the customer, plus credit card fees. All this just to get the sale.

      They hope to make up the “loss” in quantity. But at what cost? When you are working 4-5 times as hard because you are having to box 1000 orders to make the same amount of money you used to make shipping 200 orders. It is insane.

      Although many companies are making products overseas and paying the workers 1.00 a week (or some ridiculously low number). The cost to purchase these products is actually going up not down as one would expect. For example, 15 plus years ago I looked at a brand new Tacoma. It was under 10,000 with the Tundra being about 14,000. Now a new Tacoma is $20,000 plus and the Tundra closer to $30,000.

      • Mr.Cipher

        Wages haven’t kept up with inflation for decades. It’s why most feel like they are running backwards.

      • Paul Atreides

        Thank the Fed and it’s fiat money!! ALL debt based economies implode. We are fast approaching that point!

        • aldownunder

          Thems fighting words to socalbeachdude

        • socalbeachdude

          What utter nonsense.

  • rrrr

    ‘Manipulated’ is not the correct word to use in referring to what the government is doing with these figures. The correct word is ‘lying.’ The government is lying. When you employ a euphemism such as ‘manipulated’ when ‘lie’ is correct, you are being complicit.

    • socalbeachdude

      As to unemployment the BLS (Bureau of Labor Statistics) has SIX METRICS FOR UNEMPLOYMENT WHICH THEY ALWAYS REPORT and those are U1, U2, U3, U4, U5, and U6. U6 most comprehensively measures unemployment and hows it presently at 10% and the U6 number was the most widely reported metric up through the Reagan years. These days the White House and the press almost always only report the U3 metric which is about half that at around 5%. You can see the OFFICIAL US GOVERNMENT BLS NUMBERS based on each of those unemployment metrics on a monthly basis at:

      http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm

      There are other alternative metrics to calculate unemployment and the most prominent of those is the SGS metric used by ShadowStats which pegs current unemployment at around 23.4% and rising:

      http://www.shadowstats.com/charts/employment

      There is no way to factually determine unemployment and underemployment with complete accuracy, obviously, as all reports are based on SAMPLING SURVEYS and EXTRAPOLATIONS from those surveys.

      Actual unemployment in the US is currently as high as 32% based on more than 95 million people eligible for the work force currently not working and about 8 million additional people not working but actively seeking jobs which is what the U-3 metric measures.

  • greanfinisher

    With 44 million people currently on food stamps (aka bread lines), the economy can’t be good. In fact, since 2009, the country is still mired in the Greater Depression with a real unemployment rate that has never been below 20.0%.

    • socalbeachdude

      100% correct.

    • marlene

      It’s been 33% for these last 8 years.

    • Indeed.

  • Alberto Francis

    Thank you to all you lovely Democrats and Republicans (congressman, senators, presidents) who for the past 4 decades work strenuously to undermine the American economy, eviscerating the constitution, and getting us involved in utterly useless endless wars by duping the American populace with propaganda and lies.

    Thank you to all those gullible citizens who fall for their crap year in, year out.

  • Leif Erickson

    Manufacturing has shed hundreds of thousands of jobs over the past three decades. These jobs used to be a bastion of livable wage work for the low skilled. Service jobs have taken their place and for many not worth the effort to obtain.

    • LIZ THE SHIZ

      robots, robots, robots to replace both mfg and services.

      • FirstGarden

        And robots don’t need medical insurance, human resources, disability insurance, sick days, vacation days.. not even wages.

        Do we think this goes unnoticed?

        • LIZ THE SHIZ

          watch out for SKYNET

          • autofixer

            Exactly! You think the Man is a tough and unjust boss, just wait!

          • socalbeachdude

            Put away the mindless sci-fi nonsense.

          • socalbeachdude

            Skynet is a FICTIONAL neural net-based conscious group mind and artificial general intelligence (see also superintelligence) system that features centrally in the Terminator franchise and serves as the franchise’s main antagonist.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skynet_%28Terminator%29

            I’d suggest you stop watching such stupid movies and get a grip on REALITY, Lizzie.

          • FirstGarden

            SBD, I think she was joking.

          • socalbeachdude

            I doubt it with Lizzie…

      • socalbeachdude

        Yes, plus outsourcing by moving jobs formerly done in the US abroad to much lower cost countries such as China, India, Honduras, Vietnam, Malaysia , etc.

    • socalbeachdude

      Actually many tens of millions of manufacturing jobs have been eliminated in the US over the past 3 decades.

  • Glenn Posey

    Before I retired from a large corporation, the company was laying off the younger, less experienced people, and kept the old ones. My manager tried to talk me into staying for another year.

    In Los Angeles County, there are street people that do “work”. I knew some that sold newspapers as a contractor. They received their bundles at 5 AM. They sold them on the street to pedestrians and drivers. Then they put the remainder in a newspaper vending machine. That way, they qualified for a general relief check from the county for being employed.

  • Daniel Benson

    spot on, God help us

  • NoPolitician

    Where do you get “just a shade under 102 million”? At best, the figure labeled “Not in labor force” in the “Civilian noninstitutional population” category is about 95 million. I don’t see anything resembling “a shade under 102 million” in that chart.

    What you don’t explain is that this counts every person in the country over the age of 16. So are my 80-year old parents slackers for not being employed? How about my 17 year old son who is in high school? Is he a leech on society?

    Obviously this number is higher now than in the past because of the wave of Baby Boomers moving into retirement. Why would you ignore that? Because it doesn’t fit your message? Because it isn’t sensationalistic enough?

    There is a case to be made that the unemployment rate isn’t capturing the people who have given up, but you’re using misleading data to make your case. That’s just lazy.

    • disqus_8fnHZuw7j5

      your 17 year old son could have a job….he is of legal age to work a job. So quit providing him support on being lazy. When I was 17 (and younger), I had a job and played on multiple varsity team sports which took up a ton of my time, so I don’t wanna hear your excuses. In one year he will be 18, and probably graduating HS….if he doesn’t attend a college, than the working world is where he should be. So your 17 year old, one year away from the real world has zero professional work experience? Even if he setup a lemonade stand on your street corner, thats education and value for him. So you protecting and defending your 17 year old son who has never worked is a problem. So be a parent and a role model and do something about it and quit your whining.

      • JC Teecher

        Hell, at 16 I was booted out of my bedroom, and home because Dad had remarried, and his wife had their second child, with the first still living in their bedroom. My younger sister and brother had the two other rooms tied up, so something had to give, and it was yours truly, the kid with a part time job bagging groceries, and a 1964 VW, at age 16.
        By age 17, I was renting, working a fulltime second shift job, and looking at buying my first new car. Maybe; at $3500.00 it wasn’t much of a vehicle by today’s standards, but heck it was new, and was dependable for my long weekend commutes to visit the future Mrs. Teecher, about 100 miles away.
        Just to add, I worked that full time, second shift job, while finishing High School, and for two years of college, all, while buying my first mobile home, and paying for lot rent.
        The “buddy share the rent deal”, sucks. I never got used to people eating my food and leaving a mess for me to clean up while I was away.

        • socalbeachdude

          That explains a whole lot about you. Sad.

        • Carl

          “but heck it was new, and was dependable for my long weekend commutes to visit the future Mrs. Teecher, about 100 miles away.”

          That can’t be right because you married someone else first, got divorced and then married again to who I am assuming is your current wife. So I guess it wasn’t love at first sight since you married someone else first – same for her I am assuming.

        • disqus_8fnHZuw7j5

          Your comment is appreciated – much truth in it, which I can relate to.

    • jaxon64

      95 million “not in labor force PLUS 7 million officially unemployed….
      Addition, a wonderful thing, you should learn it.

      • socalbeachdude

        Yep, 100% correct, jaxon!

      • JMiller

        Many of the 95 million are retired persons, school students, stay-at-home moms and disabled persons. Many of them are not unemployed workers as some mistakenly think.

        • socalbeachdude

          No, many are not “retired persons” at all and folks too old to work are EXCLUDED and are apart of the group NOT ELIGIBLE TO PARTICIPATE in the work force. Yes, many are “stay at home moms” but none of those eligible to participate are disabled as those who are disabled are also excluded. All of those 102 million Americans ELIGIBLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE WORK FORCE ARE UNEMPLOYED for whatever reason and those reasons really don’t matter.

          • JMiller

            socalbeachdude,

            The BLS website says this about the “Not In The Labor Force” category – “This category includes retired persons, students, those taking care of children or other family members, and others who are neither working nor seeking work.”

            Now there are 48 million people age 65 years and older in the U.S. of which 38 million of them do not work. Those 38 million are part of the 95 million “not in the labor force” category which is part of the 102 million who do not work. Also 15 million students age 16 years and older do not work and are also part of the 95 million not in the labor force. The “Not In The Labor Force” category includes any one 16 years and older including 70 and 80 year old people. Everyone over 16 is either considered in the Labor Force or they are Not In The Labor Force. Those are the only two choices. The only exception is military personnel and inmates. There are 160 million in the Labor Force. There are 95 Million that are Not In The Labor Force. Which category does retired people belong? Which category does school students who do not work belong? Disabled people who do not work? Stay-at-home moms that do not work? They are all in the Not In the Labor Force category which numbers 95 million which when added to the 7 million official unemployed equals 102 million.

            I can assure you have I spent much time studying this subject and what I said above is true.

          • JMiller

            socalbeachdude,

            So you think that 38 million retired persons, who are part of the 95 million “Not In The Labor Force”, are not that many?

    • socalbeachdude

      That 102 million number includes the nearly 95 million classified as NEITHER WORKING NOR SEEKING UNEMPLOYMENT plus the 7+ million who are officially classified as “unemployed” and seeking work under the BLS U3 metrics of unemployment in the US.

      • JMiller

        You are correct. But that 95 million people categorized as being “Not In The Labor Force” includes every one 16 years and older like retired persons, school students, disabled persons and stay-at-home moms.

  • thomas jefferson

    WHY DON’T you guys tell IRAN you need a massive cash handout,because your BROKE,see what they say,.of course the reason your broke is because ALL your money is going to support your WAR MACHINE,SO maybe you deserve to be broke,soon you’ll be starving to,tell you kids they’ll get used to it,and your fat Ol’e ladies……..

    • socalbeachdude

      Laughably false. Defense spending by the US government only accounts for 16% of the federal expenditures.

  • jaxon64

    I read an article in the WaPo a few years ago. It was reporting how a professional woman in Philly had decided to quit working and go on the welfare dole.
    Turns out that if the average single-mom applies for all of the child care, welfare, EBT, housing etc etc entitlements, she can live a higher standard of living on all available entitlements than she would with a job paying $60k a year.
    No kidding–free childcare, assisted housing, free cash, food bennies and about 50 other available welfare programs are quite a disincentive to actual work for a struggling single mom with no time and raising kids alone.
    Sometimes I wonder if maybe I’m just a sucker for working myself ragged.

    • Janice

      Jaxson64… I believe the story. I know you’re not kidding. You’re no sucker…you just value work and independence.

      Folks do the math quite well. I would periodically access lifetime benefit pages for clients. One top “earner” hit almost 200k over a 5 year period just in rental/housing related assistance. Running average was around 100k. Services/bennies abound if one is resoureful.

      All they have to do is reloop endless training programs to earn certificates. Followed by a job search program, then volunteer at non-profits or get a part timer…then quit. Rinse & repeat. If they earn too much money they lose benefits. One client stated she didn’t care about losing cash benefits for additional children post welfare eligibility. She wanted all the other benefits. They stay eligible as long as they comply.

      Seems like we’re picking on the poor. They aren’t the only ones on the government ninny.

    • socalbeachdude

      Yep, and that is an issue which needs to be addressed by Congress.

  • Cal

    The economy never fully recovered from the 1973 oil shock when gas prices tripled virtually overnight. The manufacturing base began its long decline fueled by trade deals like NAFTA and others that enriched a few but left the rest destitute. There is so much more to this but time has run out. Your only hope…turn to Jesus, accept Him as your Lord and Savior and repent. Last blog here, goodbye and God Bless.

    • socalbeachdude

      False on all counts!~

  • PocoPete

    The US Spent $20 MILLION Per Job Created From ’08 Onward. According to a recent article at Gold Seek (dot) com.

    • socalbeachdude

      That is utter nonsense.

      • PocoPete

        This is true.

        • socalbeachdude

          Absolutely and laughably FALSE.

          • PocoPete

            Laughably true.

          • socalbeachdude

            Why make such preposterously false and utterly bogus claims and assertions?

          • PocoPete

            They are not false or bogus.

          • socalbeachdude

            Obviously, they are both false and bogus.

          • PocoPete

            They are true.

          • socalbeachdude

            Obviously, they are NOT TRUE at all and if you “think so” then SHOW THE MATH!

          • PocoPete

            They are TRUE.

          • socalbeachdude

            FALSE.

          • PocoPete

            TRUE.

          • socalbeachdude

            As is totally obviously from the absurd assertions in this article, there is NO EVIDENCE OR MATH WHATSOEVER TO SUPPORT THOSE LAUGHABLY BOGUS AND TOTALLY FALSE ASSERTIONS.

          • PocoPete

            The assertions are true.

          • socalbeachdude

            Obviously NOT. Go do the math and read what those imbeciles are basis that absurdly false number on. Laughably false!

          • PocoPete

            The assertions are very true. Please correct the grammar (“are basis”) in your sentence so that it is more readable. Thanks.

  • Bill

    Credit where credit is due. Great article. Thank you, this is the stuff that makes you shine.

    Time for Americans to realize the lies we are being fed. Please wake up America. The swamp can still be drained if we get rid of our junk and rebuild with simple meaningful lives.

    • socalbeachdude

      Yep, absolutely excellent and highly relevant article!

  • Joe

    You aren’t accurately defining “working age Americans”. The BLS numbers you link to covers every person who is in the “Civilian noninstitutional population” 16 and older. There is no upper limit to a person’s age. A 105 year old retired person and a 16 year old high school student who doesn’t have and is not looking for a job are being counted as “Not in the labor force”.

    • socalbeachdude

      Nope. Not true. The 102 million figure of those NOT PARTICIPATING IN THE LABOR FORCE only includes those folks who are FULLY ELIGIBLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE LABOR FORCE and totally excludes people who are incapacitated or too old to work.

    • JMiller

      You are 100% correct Joe.

  • socalbeachdude

    Record 95,102,000 Americans Not in Labor Force; Up 18% Since Obama Took Office…

    The final jobs report of the Obama presidency, released Friday, shows that the number of Americans not in the labor force has increased by 14,573,000 (18.09 percent) since January 2009, when Obama took office, continuing a long-term trend that began well before Obama was sworn in.

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/record-95102000-americans-not-labor-force-number-grew-18-obama-took-office

  • socalbeachdude
  • socalbeachdude

    Employers are certainly not in the business of creating a stronger USA economy but in the business of CREATING A MORE PROFITABLE ECONOMY FOR THEIR OWN BUSINESSES and will do what is best for their businesses including closing unprofitable locations just as retailers are now doing in droves across the USA.

  • socalbeachdude

    US workers are typically PAID FAR MORE THAN THEY ARE WORTH TO EMPLOYERS which is precisely why USA employers are eliminating employees and putting many others on PART TIME WORK, and that trend will continue to escalate dramatically particularly with the massive amount of retail store closings that is now taking place in the USA.

    The so-called “rich” have nothing at all to do with these matters but rather the decisions made by corporations and small to medium sized business owners based on ECONOMIC FACTS OF WHAT THEIR EMPLOYEES ARE WORTH TO THEM.

    Employees COST EMPLOYERS ABOUT 40% MORE THAN THEY ARE PAID DIRECTLY as an employer has to pay nearly 8% in direct taxes on the wages paid to an employee, pay workers compensation insurance, and handle all of the other required paperwork and costs associated with having employees, along with the costs of other benefits to employees including medical expense insurance where applicable.

    • Jeri Brace

      Workers don’t have to accept the amount the employer wants to offer for what work is done. on the other hand an employer doesn’t have to accept what the perspective employee is asking in wages. so we come to a mutual agreement between workers & employers, correct? employers are eliminating American workers and replacing them with cheap US Congress supplied visa workers and placing American workers on part time because the employer doesn’t want to absorb the full cost of workman’s comp for the employee. as more & More corporations & retailers are hiring cheap foreign visa workers the employers that have not hired visa workers have a hard time competing with employers that do hire visa workers so they are forced to hire cheap congress supplied foreign workers just so they can compete & try to survive in this ruthless economy.

  • pulltheweeds

    Hi Ho Hi Ho , it’s back to moms’ we go ….

  • socalbeachdude

    As to unemployment the BLS (Bureau of Labor Statistics) has SIX METRICS FOR UNEMPLOYMENT WHICH THEY ALWAYS REPORT and those are U1, U2, U3, U4, U5, and U6. U6 most comprehensively measures unemployment and hows it presently at 10% and the U6 number was the most widely reported metric up through the Reagan years. These days the White House and the press almost always only report the U3 metric which is about half that at around 5%. You can see the OFFICIAL US GOVERNMENT BLS NUMBERS based on each of those unemployment metrics on a monthly basis at:

    http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm

    There are other alternative metrics to calculate unemployment and the most prominent of those is the SGS metric used by ShadowStats which pegs current unemployment at around 23.4% and rising:

    http://www.shadowstats.com/charts/employment

    There is no way to factually determine unemployment and underemployment with complete accuracy, obviously, as all reports are based on SAMPLING SURVEYS and EXTRAPOLATIONS from those surveys.

    The 32% number is determined by adding the 8 million current classified as unemployed in the U3 report to the more than 94 million who are FULLY ELIGIBLE FOR THE WORK FOR CE BUT WHICH ARE NOW “NOT PARTICIPATING” IN THE WORK FORCE by the BLS which means that more than 102 million Americans ELIGIBLE FOR THE WORK FORCE ARE CURRENTLY NOT EMPLOYED which is right around 32% of the US population of 318 million.

    Worst Jobs Report 6 Yrs – 102 Million Americans Jobless

    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/worst-jobs-report-in-nearly-6-years-102-million-working-age-americans-do-not-have-jobs

    • JMiller

      You are wrong socalbeachdude. ShadowStats currently has the unemployment rate at 22% and FALLING.

      • SoCalBeachDude

        22% is not much different than 23.4% and is only about 10 percentage points below the actual unemployment in the USA which is around 32%.

        • JMiller

          You were still wrong about the ShadowStats unemployment rate and how the unemployment rate is FALLING not rising as you wrongly state. You just do not want to admit it. And The unemployment rate is not 32%. You are beginning to sound like that stupid David Stockman.

  • socalbeachdude

    As to employment, that is not the responsibility of government and obviously no jobs are ever going to be “given” to anyone.

    The only reason a job even exists is so it can be of PRODUCTIVE VALUE TO THE EMPLOYER. Employers are NOT CHARITIES.

  • socalbeachdude
  • socalbeachdude

    25% of U.S. shopping malls may close in next five years…

    http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-malls-closing-20170531-story.html

  • socalbeachdude
  • socalbeachdude

    A bigger challenge than expected’: Kangol hats struggling and losing money on every hat after moving factory from China to the U.S.

    Last year, the Pennsylvania-based Bollman Hat Co. spent $1 million moving its Kangol hat-making factory from China to the U.S. and they’ve been losing money every since.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4557584/Hat-brand-Kangol-returns-jobs-US-finds-struggling.html

  • socalbeachdude

    More Job Losses in USA…

    Reporters getting fired for Trump related tweets…

    https://www.axios.com/journalists-cant-avoid-twitter-misfires-2433656398.html

  • Alleged Comment

    No, I think you got your figures wrong. That would be 1 in every 3 Americans.

    I don’t think so.

    • socalbeachdude

      The 102 million number is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT and confirmed by the BLS and many other sources. Nearly one-third of the 324 million Americans are NOW NOT WORKING even though they are FULLY ELIGIBLE FOR THE WORK FORCE in the USA.

      • JMiller

        You are correct.102 million people age 16 years or older do not work. However many of them have a very good reason. 38 million of them are retired with the overwhelming majority being age 65 and older. About 22 million are disabled, either permanently or temporarily. About 15 million are full-time high school or college students and about 10 million people, mostly women, stay at home because of family responsibilities. So that leaves about 17 million people who have no reason why they can’t work full-time and who should be counted as being unemployed but only 7 million of them are counted as being officially unemployed.

        • socalbeachdude

          Nope. Those groups consisting of around 68 million people have ALREADY BEEN EXCLUDED from the numbers of PEOPLE FULLY ELIGIBLE FOR THE WORK FORCE.

          The total number of people ACTUALLY EMPLOYED IN THE USA IS NOW LESS THAN 154,000 which is LESS THAN HALF THE 324 MILLION residents of the USA.

          United States Employed Persons 1950-2017

          The number of employed persons in The United States decreased to 152923 Thousand in May of 2017 from 153156 Thousand in April of 2017. Employed Persons in the United States averaged 103689.23 Thousand from 1950 until 2017, reaching an all time high of 153156 Thousand in April of 2017 and a record low of 57635 Thousand in January of 1950.

          https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/employed-persons

          • JMiller

            Wrong. Those groups that I gave who do not work, such as retired persons, high school and college students, stay-at-home moms and disabled persons, have NOT been excluded from the 255 million who are eligible for work (16 years and older). The 255 million who are eligible to work consists of people in the labor force (160 million) and people “not in the labor force” (95 million). Now the 160 million people in the labor force consist of 153 million employed and 7 million unemployed. These are the numbers that are used to get an unemployment rate of 4.3% (7 divided by 160 equals 4.3). And the 95 million people “not in the labor force”, who do not work, consist mostly of retired persons, high school and college students, disabled persons, and stay-at-home parents.

            So yes, there are 102 million people, age 16 years or older, who do not work. 7 million who are considered in the labor force but are unemployed and are counted in the U-3 unemployment rate of 4.3 percent. And 95 million are who are considered “not in the labor force” and mainly consist of retired persons, school students, stay-at-home moms and disabled person. 7 million plus 95 million equals 102 million.

            Now the total population of the U.S. is about 324 million people. 255 million are 16 years or older as discussed above. The remaining 69 million people are children under 16, of which there are about 65 million, and about 4 million people who are either active military personnel or institutionalized persons such as inmates.

          • socalbeachdude

            The 68 million Americans NOT ELIGIBLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE WORK FORCE includes those who are 1) too young, 2) too old, 3) incapacitated, 4) imprisoned, etc. leaving around 255 million Americans theoretically eligible to participate in the labor force. The actual labor force in the US is now less than HALF THE POPULATION OF 324 MILLION RESIDENTS and consists of only around 170 million people.

            As Timothy Wallace stated recently, 320 million people, 251 million of working age, non-institutional, non-military. So, 69 million are “outside” this working age group, it includes “institutionalized” – prisons, hospitals, etc., and military. The balance then of the 69 million would be children.

            Bottom line however is that 149 million are working to support 171 million in one form or another. And of those 149 million, 20 million are GOVERNMENT “workers”. SO, 129 million are working to support 191 million others. Let’s stop thinking about this, it keeps getting worse.

            And of those 129 million, probably 25 million are part time – so 104 million workers are working to support 216 million.

            Yep, it got worse.

            This is all you need to know:

            2007 vs. 2015 September Reports
            Population working age- 232,461,000 to 251,325,000 – +18.9 million
            Employed – 146,448,000 to 148,980,000 – +2.5 million
            Full time employed – 121,728,000 to 122,303,000 – +575,000!

            So, in EIGHT YEARS we have added 575,000 full time jobs, while the working age population has grown 18.9 million!!

            Great economy we have going there.

          • JMiller

            Wrong SoCalBeachBum. What I said in my comments above are true.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Your assertions are absolutely false.

            As to unemployment the BLS (Bureau of Labor Statistics) has SIX METRICS FOR UNEMPLOYMENT WHICH THEY ALWAYS REPORT and those are U1, U2, U3, U4, U5, and U6. U6 most comprehensively measures unemployment and hows it presently at 10% and the U6 number was the most widely reported metric up through the Reagan years. These days the White House and the press almost always only report the U3 metric which is about half that at around 5%. You can see the OFFICIAL US GOVERNMENT BLS NUMBERS based on each of those unemployment metrics on a monthly basis at:

            http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm

            There are other alternative metrics to calculate unemployment and the most prominent of those is the SGS metric used by ShadowStats which pegs current unemployment at around 23.4% and rising:

            http://www.shadowstats.com/charts/employment

            There is no way to factually determine unemployment and underemployment with complete accuracy, obviously, as all reports are based on SAMPLING SURVEYS and EXTRAPOLATIONS from those surveys.

            Actual unemployment in the US is currently as high as 32% based on more than 95 million people eligible for the work force currently not working and about 8 million additional people not working but actively seeking jobs which is what the U-3 metric measures.

      • Alleged Comment

        Well, that 102 million must work for the government.

        • socalbeachdude

          Nope. They DO NOT WORK AT ALL even though they are fully eligible to participate in the work force and that 102 million is in addition to the around 68 million people excluded as INELIGIBLE to participate in the work force due to age and other facts for a total of 170 million people not working in the USA out of the total population of around 324 million residents.

          • JMiller

            You are correct. Out of a population of about 324 million, there are about 170 million people not working which includes 65 million children under 16, and the 95 million considered not in the labor force, mostly because they are either retired, in high school or college, are disabled or they are a stay-at-home parent. And let’s not forget the 5 million people who are in the military or in prison.

  • socalbeachdude

    Only about 154 million Americans out of the 324 million Americans are actually employed which is more than 50% that are now not employed including about 68 million Americans not eligible for the work force due to age and other factors.

  • socalbeachdude

    More bogus nonsense from the dolts over at ZeroBrains.

    • PocoPete

      The ZeroBrains (dot) com website is not the same as ZeroHedge (dot) com. Just go to the ZeroBrains (dot) com website and you will see.

      • socalbeachdude

        Oh, get a clue. Are you really that dumb?

        • PocoPete

          I don’t need any clues.

          • socalbeachdude

            Obviously you do as your LOGIC IS SEVERELY DEFECTIVE if you “think” there is even a grain of truth in that bogus BS.

          • PocoPete

            My logic is just fine.

          • socalbeachdude

            Your logic is practically non-existent as you have proven many, many times.

          • PocoPete

            My logic is fully existent.

          • socalbeachdude

            Obviously and laughably NOT!!!

          • PocoPete

            It is definitely fully existent.

  • socalbeachdude

    Senate returns more pessimistic than ever on healthcare

    Senators went into a recess skeptical over whether they could agree to legislation repealing and replacing ObamaCare. They will return on Monday more doubtful than ever.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/336145-senate-returns-more-pessimistic-than-ever-on-healthcare

  • PocoPete

    Excellent article. Thanks for the link.

  • bopperman

    I’m one of the people in that data . Forced retirement when my company forced to shutdown due to over regulation of the feral EPA under President Bath House . Six figures to the Gubmint Teat in 30 days !

  • socalbeachdude

    One of the biggest issues with the BLS numbers is that they are NOT BASED ON ACTUAL EMPLOYMENT DATA AT ALL, but rather based on SURVEYS INVOLVING A TINY SAMPLING OF PEOPLE from which the numbers are then extrapolated. For a far better picture of ACTUAL UNEMPLOYMENT AND LAYOFFS in the USA, see:

    http://www.DailyJobCuts.com

    • JMiller

      Sorry but you are not going to get a far better picture of the actual unemployment rate by simply looking at stories about layoffs. John Williams of ShadowStats says that the U-3 and U-6 unemployment rate is accurate. What is debatable is how many of the 95 million “Not In The Labor Force” are long-term discouraged workers. It can easily be shown that at least 75 million of those 95 million are retired persons, school students, housewives or disable persons according to the BLS and numerous other websites. The other 20 million is debatable.

  • Jeri Brace

    I am no Math whiz in any regards but I even know that 102 million Americans not working is more like 1/3 of America or 30% of Americans that don’t have a job. something else to consider is Congress is running an enterprise for supplying cheap foreign labor weather it be HB-1 or HB-2 visa workers from everywhere around the globe. employers love them as they will never ever unionize since they have to be American Citizens to do that. they also have to have a job in order to remain in the US which also seems to give them priority over working Americans as far as employers and congress whom sold the visa’s to them are concerned. Employers also get nice Tax Breaks for hiring them so I can guess where that puts you & I in line for a job with one of these companies.
    it should also be noted that these HB Visa workers ARE INCLUDED in the count for employed Americans even though they are not American Citizens. all they have to do is include that stipulation in one of their now mega Omnibus bills that they sneak so many new laws under our noses when they include multiple bills into one. they are giving us the Flim-Flam if you know what i mean. They have sold us down the river a long time ago but as the real unemployment is rising many including myself are starting to catch on how they are selling America & our Jobs off right under our noses.

  • marlene

    So much for obama’s lies and fakestream media’s phony figures of 7%. Real people always knew the real numbers – just ask your family and friends who have lost their jobs during the obama administration!

    • SoCalBeachDude

      As to unemployment the BLS (Bureau of Labor Statistics) has SIX METRICS FOR UNEMPLOYMENT WHICH THEY ALWAYS REPORT and those are U1, U2, U3, U4, U5, and U6. U6 most comprehensively measures unemployment and hows it presently at 10% and the U6 number was the most widely reported metric up through the Reagan years. These days the White House and the press almost always only report the U3 metric which is about half that at around 5%. You can see the OFFICIAL US GOVERNMENT BLS NUMBERS based on each of those unemployment metrics on a monthly basis at:

      http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm

      There are other alternative metrics to calculate unemployment and the most prominent of those is the SGS metric used by ShadowStats which pegs current unemployment at around 23.4% and rising:

      http://www.shadowstats.com/charts/employment

      There is no way to factually determine unemployment and underemployment with complete accuracy, obviously, as all reports are based on SAMPLING SURVEYS and EXTRAPOLATIONS from those surveys.

      Actual unemployment in the US is currently as high as 32% based on more than 95 million people eligible for the work force currently not working and about 8 million additional people not working but actively seeking jobs which is what the U-3 metric measures.

      • JMiller

        Wrong SoCalBeachBum.

        ShadowStats currently pegs the unemployment rate at 22% and FALLING.

        • SoCalBeachDude

          22% is not much different at all than 23.4% and all of those numbers are just GUESTIMATES AT BEST and only based on SURVEYS and not on actual unemployment numbers, and 22% is only about 10% points below the ACTUAL UNEMPLOYMENT OF AROUND 32% NOW IN THE USA which continues to INCREASE DRAMATICALLY.

          http://www.DailyJobCuts.com

          • JMiller

            You were still wrong about the ShadowStats unemployment rate and how the unemployment rate is FALLING and not rising as you incorrectly state. You just do not want to admit it. And the U-3 and U-6 unemployment rates are accurate according to John Willliams of ShadowStats. What is debatable is how many long-term discouraged workers there are who are not counted any more as being unemployed. These long-term discouraged workers are in with the 95 million “Not In The Labor Force” which does include 38 million retired persons, as well as school students, housewives and disabled persons. And that is a fact which is stated by the BLS.

            And The unemployment rate is not 32% unless you include people like retired persons, school students or housewives us being unemployed. You are beginning to sound like that stupid David Stockman.

  • Thaddeus Weakley

    We’ve been in Great Depression II for so long, that any time economists talk about the “economy” (whatever passes as such anyway) slipping into “Recession” I get excited. We all know that “Recessions” are better than “Great Depressions” so anytime we’re slipping into recession must mean things are improving…..

    • SoCalBeachDude

      100% correct and very well stated!

  • Jeri Brace

    when the Dollar General Stores make up 80% of new store openings in America for 2017 it is safe to say that America is living in a Dollar Store Economy!

    • SoCalBeachDude

      Discount Retail: The Next Shoe to Drop?

      Discounting Goes “Mass Market”

      Lately I have been talking about the challenges of luxury retail, malls and other large-format retailers in today’s economic environment. But increasingly, the stars are lining up in a way that will not spare another key group of companies in the retail sector — dollar stores.

      That is significant because discounters such as Dollar Tree Inc. (Nasdaq: DLTR) and Dollar General Corp. (NYSE: DG) have been bona fide growth stories for years. They carved out a widening niche in the minds of consumers (including my own family) as the place to go for all manner of cheap goods, from party favors to cleaning supplies.

      But both companies now have over 13,000 stores. Are they reaching a point of maximum saturation?

      At a glance, the dollar stores would seem to have everything going for them. Dollar Tree, for instance, reported its fourth-quarter results in recent days. Overall sales rose 5% to more than $5.6 billion, with profits totaling $1.36 a share for the period.

      But “same-store sales” — which measure sales gains on a per-store basis — tell a different story…

      It’s part of a shift in the U.S. economy — one we’ve been warning about for a long time. Overindebted American consumers are no longer willing to pay full price for everyday products, not when there’s a home mortgage, a student loan, and a lease or car loan to pay every month.

      You might say, well, that’s what the dollar stores are all about.

      That’s true. But the problem now is that the rest of the retail sector is “following the money” to where their core customers are. It’s a race to the bottom. Now, every company in food retail can’t afford not to have the lowest prices around.

      That’s nothing new for Wal-Mart, of course. But as Bloomberg noted a while back, Kroger is also now cutting prices to compete with Wal-Mart. Even Costco recently raised the price of its memberships by $5 to help offset the price war’s effect on its bottom line.

      Perhaps most telling of all, Whole Foods — with its shares down by more than 50% from its 2013 all-time highs — is in the midst of an effort to woo back customers with discounts and digital coupons. What happened to the old “Whole Paycheck” nickname? It disappeared with its customers’ dollars down the black hole of personal debt.

      http://banyanhill.com/discount-retail-next-shoe-drop/

  • IMHO

    This country is $20,000,000,000,000.00 (Twenty Trillion) dollars in debt with another $106,000,000,000,000.00 (One Hundred Six Trillion) in unfunded liabilities and we call ourselves ” a wealthy nation”. What a joke!
    How are those 102 million “not in the workforce” being supported. Whether it is by savings, family, government handouts or just about anything else it will run out soon. You cannot keep running up debt to prop up a failing society. Debt based economics is slavery for all but it cant last. Surely it will crash and burn soon.
    No, wait! More war will keep it going and keep people waving their red white and blue rags.

    • JMiller

      There are only 95 million who are “Not In The Labor Force”. There are another 7 million who are in the Labor Force but are unemployed. Which means that there are a total of 102 million people, age 16 and older, who do not work. 38 million of them are retired. They are part of the 95 million who are in the “Not In The Labor Force” category. This is stated by the BLS. Also 15 million high school and college students who do not work are included in the 95 million as well as stay-at-home moms and disabled persons.

      • IMHO

        Oh, well in that case I guess the debt doesn’t matter after all. Hell, let’s just all quit work and borrow money to be wealthy. (Sarc.)

      • SoCalBeachDude

        Once again, your numbers are totally false and all of the 95 million NOT PARTICIPATING IN THE LABOR FORCE ARE FULLY ELIGIBLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE LABOR FORCE. Please do get a clue about those facts some day.

  • tacoma

    Relax, Trump has a plan to put 110 million people back to honest work. See this people are today collecting welfare. ‘Very bad’ as Trump says.

    So in his budget he is going to downsize severely Food Stamp, Unemployment benefits and other ‘nonsense’ benefits.

    Immediately 110 million people will find real work. And if they don’t its their fault. It is the final confirmation that they have failed capitalism and therefore of no further use.

    But to Trump he has solved a big financial drain problem on the administration. More money to the War Machine.

  • yeah

    it’s so easy to be a demagogue because you are guaranteed to be right 50% of the time.

    • IMHO

      Not necessarily. You may win an argument 50% of the time but that doesn’t mean you are right 50% of the time because most of the time, in politics especially, there is no right side in the argument in the first place.
      As a result of this phenomena you have the degeneration of politics, media and society as we are seeing it today. I believe this is a historical constant.
      Just an observation. 🙂

  • BeenThere

    Right on but the question is how much longer can they get away with the big lie?

  • Common Ground

    …Czar Donald “Twit” Trump is claiming that America has FULL employment and everything is just……………HUNKY DORY!

    • SoCalBeachDude

      During the campaign Donald talked several times about the 42% UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IN THE USA. My, how Duplicitous Donnie has changed his tunette!

      • JMiller

        Of course Trump is wrong about that. The unemployment rate is not 42%. It is more like 15-20%.

  • Swiss_Talk

    I have a biiig doubt

  • David Turco

    The “economy” has been bad my whole life, or at least gotten worse every year. The fake boom times were a result of gimmicks like giving everybody credit cards so even though they couldn’t afford anything beyond a coffee with cash in hand, they suddenly could buy a car. Also years of mortgages where you no longer needed 20% down etc..Then in the late 80’s the northeast especially New England where a family of 4 would need at least 150,000 bucks/year to be in the middle class the answer (gimmick) was to increase the value of houses which essentially doubled overnight, the way to wealth was not through business or a job but home ownership they told us. They prices sort of crashed in 2008 but the banks artificially propped up the prices otherwise New England would have been the new dust bowl. On and on it goes, but the middle class is gone. Where I live at the local YMCA, most of the lifeguards are in their 30’s and 40’s with college degrees even in computer science but there are no real jobs because the cost of living is so high here. They just continue to live in the basement waiting for their parents to die (hopefully without losing it all in a nursing home) so they can have a life. Woo hoo go economy!

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