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Handout Nation: Combined Enrollment In America’s 4 Largest Safety Net Programs Hits A Record High Of 236 Million

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Margaret Thatcher once said that the problem with socialism “is that eventually you run out of other people’s money”.  As you will see below, the combined enrollment in America’s four largest safety net programs has reached a staggering 236 million.  Of course that doesn’t mean that 236 million people are getting benefits from the government each month because there is overlap between the various programs.  For example, many Americans that are on Medicaid are also on food stamps, and many Americans that are on Medicare are also on Social Security.  But even accounting for that, most experts estimate that the number of Americans that are dependent on the federal government month after month is well over 100 million.  And now that so many people are addicted to government handouts, can we ever return to a culture of independence and self-sufficiency?

On Wednesday, CNN ran an editorial by Bernie Sanders in which he called President Trump’s proposed budget “immoral” because it would cut funding for government aid programs.

But is it moral to steal more than a hundred million dollars from future generations of Americans every single hour of every single day to pay for these programs?

Of course the answer to that question is quite obvious.

There will always be some Americans that are unable to take care of themselves, and we should want to help them.

But as millions upon millions of Americans continue to jump on to the safety net, eventually we are going to get to the point where it is going to break.

As I mentioned above, the combined enrollment in the four largest safety net programs has reached a new all-time record high…

More than 74 million Americans are on Medicaid and CHIP (Children’s Health Insurance Program).

More than  58 million Americans are on Medicare.

More than 60 million Americans are on Social Security.

Approximately 44 million Americans are on food stamps.  And even though we are supposedly in an “economic recovery”, this number is still dramatically higher than the 26 million Americans that were on food stamps prior to the last financial crisis.

When you add the figures for those four programs together, you get a grand total of 236 million, and that doesn’t even count any of the other federal programs which are helping people.

Once again, there is overlap in enrollment between these various programs, but even accounting for that most experts believe that well over a third of the country is currently receiving benefits from the government each month.

How far down this road do we have to go before people start calling it “socialism”?

As I was writing this, I was reminded of one of Benjamin Franklin’s most famous quotes

“When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic.”

In our country today, many politicians have discovered that one of the best ways to win elections is to promise the voters as much free stuff as possible.  This is one of the primary reasons why Bernie Sanders did so well.  Young people loved his socialist policies, and he received more votes from Millennials in the primaries and caucuses than Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton combined.

As older generations of Americans continue to die off, the Millennials will just become even more powerful politically.  And considering the fact that they are far more liberal than other generations, that is a very alarming prospect…

In the minds of 80 percent of baby boomers and 91 percent of elderly Americans, communism was a major problem in years past and remains a significant concern today. But millennials, aged 16 to 20 years, see it differently. Only 55 percent of the younger generation take issue with communism, 45 percent say they would vote for a socialist and 21 percent say they’d vote for a communist.

And millennials made all that clear during the Democratic presidential primary, when many of them cast their vote for Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, a self-avowed socialist. In fact, the report credits the New England lawmaker with a “bounce” that led to less than half of millennials — 42 percent — having a favorable view of capitalism.

At this point, the Republic that our founders established is barely recognizable, and if it is going to be saved we need a conservative revolution as soon as possible.

A good place to begin would be to dramatically reduce the size and scope of the federal government, and there are some promising signs in the budget that President Trump has proposed.  He wants to completely eliminate 66 federal programs, and liberals are screaming bloody murder over this.

Of course Trump’s budget is “dead on arrival” in Congress because many among his own party do not support him.  Most Republicans campaign as conservatives but govern like Democrats, and it is high time that we held them accountable for that.  In 2018 we are going get Trump a whole bunch of friends in Congress, and a lot of those establishment Republicans that have been betraying conservatives for years are going to have to find a new line of work.

We simply cannot afford to keep sending the same cast of characters back to Washington time after time.  Just look at the debacle that the effort to repeal Obamacare has become.  According to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, getting any sort of bill through the Senate is going to be extremely challenging

Referring to behind-the-scenes work among Senate Republicans on a healthcare bill, McConnell said, “I don’t know how we get to 50 (votes) at the moment. But that’s the goal.”

Under a scenario of gathering the votes needed for passage in the 100-seat chamber, Republican Vice President Mike Pence would be called upon to cast any potential tie-breaking Senate vote.

McConnell opened the interview by saying, “There’s not a whole lot of news to be made on healthcare.” He declined to provide any timetable for producing even a draft bill to show to rank-and-file Republican senators and gauge their support.

And yet somehow when Obama was in office the Republicans in the House and the Senate were able to easily pass a bill to repeal Obamacare and get it to Obama’s desk.

Why can’t they get that exact same bill to Trump’s desk?

We definitely need to “drain the swamp” in D.C., and we can start with Congress.

But the alliance between big money and big government is going to be hard to defeat, and so if we want our country back we are going to have to fight harder than we have ever fought before.

 
  • Bill

    I’m not sure that there are enough people that want their country back, especially if they lose their handouts.

    • socalbeachdude

      That is the core problem, indeed, and every so-called “democracy” always votes itself into insolvency by voting to totally loot the coffers of the government and then refusing to pay taxes for all of that spending. That’s exactly where the USA is today.

      • Horiboyable .

        It is criminal, voting to steal your neighbours goods. Socialism turns one citizen against another. An honest man does not consume more than what he has produced.

      • Paul Anders

        And by having a Federal Reserve…

        • socalbeachdude

          What utter nonsense. The Federal Reserve is by far the very best and most conservative central bank in the world and is about the only thing holding the US together these days while the US government is increasingly rapidly bankrupting the USA. The Federal Reserve does not cost taxpayers a single penny and is responsible for generating nearly $100 billion a year for the US Treasury making it the single largest entity contributor to US government revenues each year.

          • Paul Anders

            Like Heroin to a Junkie

          • socalbeachdude

            What utter nonsense.

  • Thebadguy

    This country is lost We are broke Most of the old men in congress have overseen the Country take on 16 trillion in debt now are crying like little girls when they lose some of there goodies! Hint when we collapse which is coming very fast You Guys (Congress and House) are the ones too blame you have destroyed the greatest country this world has ever seen! When it breaks down you guys will have nowhere to hide!

    • socalbeachdude

      Federal debt is now just under $20 trillion, but that is a small part of the total outstanding debt in the USA which now exceeds $67 trillion.

    • Jeri Brace

      I’m sure our wonderful men & women of our congress the cowards they are have a bug out plan to go into hiding before the shtf. The fed will inform them before they inform you or me when the markets are about to crash & burn.

  • James

    And yet somehow when Obama was in office the Republicans in the House and the Senate were able to easily pass a bill to repeal Obamacare and get it to Obama’s desk.

    Why can’t they get that exact same bill to Trump’s desk?

    Because the Republicans knew it was going to fail. It is easier to put symbolic legislation than to put legislation that will affect people.

    • socalbeachdude

      The biggest issue of repealing ObamaScare has always been with the SENATE. The House has passed repeal of it 52 or 53 times (I’ve lost count) including the last time, but there simply aren’t the 50 voted needed to pass it in the Senate.

      MCCONNELL: ‘Don’t know how get to 50’ ObamaCare repeal votes…

      http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-congress-mcconnell-exclusive-idUSKBN18K2FD

      • Eatie Gourmet

        Why Not? What is their problem? That is the main thing they were elected to do.

        • socalbeachdude

          No, that assertion is simply not true at all.

    • jaxon64

      Exactly! Knowing it would never be signed, they just gave their constituents the illusion they were fighting socialist policies and Obama–now when given the chance, they fight Trump tooth and nail to keep their big govt.

  • socalbeachdude

    It is just amazing that there are still 88 million of the 324 million Americans on some sort of federal government welfare program! Remarkable!

    • William Lutz

      Because of illegal aliens abusing government assistance and taking some of our jobs; unfettered free trade; inflation; outrageous spending. All of this combined results in mass poverty, which leads to welfare dependence.

      • socalbeachdude

        That is generally a rather small percentage of the people getting the various government benefits. Both Medicare and Social Security are and have always been INSURANCE PROGRAMS that aren’t even offered to people who haven’t paid into them for at least 40 quarters (10 years).

        • Eatie Gourmet

          May have been the case once. Apparently no longer true…

          • socalbeachdude

            What I stated is 100% the case TODAY.

    • Eatie Gourmet

      Part of it is families where there are 4 generations of themon benefits, since the 1960’s. They don’t even know any other way of life.

  • socalbeachdude

    TAX REVENUES DRYING UP FOR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT…

    Trump administration warns tax receipts are coming in slowly, government could run out of cash sooner than expected

    White House Office of Management and Budget Director Mick Mulvaney on Wednesday said that tax receipts were coming in “slower than expected” and that the federal government could run out of cash sooner than it had thought.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/05/24/trump-administration-warns-tax-receipts-are-coming-in-slowly-government-could-run-out-of-cash-sooner-than-expected/?utm_term=.880668b0600e

    • Paul Anders

      Just print more money…

      • socalbeachdude

        Obviously that will not and cannot ever be done by the US government.

  • socalbeachdude

    Forget impeachment – at least for now, says voters: Poll shows backing for special counsel on Russia but not for ultimate sanction

    Sixty-three percent of Americans approved of the appointment of a special counsel to take over the Russia probe, a new poll shows, though only 38 percent want an impeachment.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4538004/Forget-impeachment-says-voters.html

  • socalbeachdude
  • socalbeachdude

    ‘I thought Mexico was going to pay for the wall’: House Republicans immediately rip the budget proposal the White House released while Trump was overseas

    It didn’t take long for congressional Republicans to start picking apart the budget proposal the White House released Tuesday, with border wall funding immediately coming under fire.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4534832/Icy-reception-Trump-budget-fellow-Republicans.html

    • Eatie Gourmet

      It takes No time for Congress to ‘Rip’ what a popular, populist President has proposed. It takes them FOREVER, If Ever, to act on it and do the right thing for the American people! We need better candidates to vote for to replace them all.

  • socalbeachdude

    There are people on food stamps who don’t want to work: White House doubles down on ‘compassionate’ work or starve benefits cut plan as it unveils budget

    Trump’s budget guru argued Tuesday that the work requirements the administration wants are not meant to keep impoverished Americans from getting help – they ‘are not the problem.’

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4534816/WH-doubles-compassionate-cut-poverty-programs.html

  • socalbeachdude

    The core problem is that Congress is doing EXACTLY WHAT THE MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT IT TO DO which is to spend vastly beyond the means and resources of the federal government and never send them a bill for the difference.

  • socalbeachdude

    The day China’s version of the Lehman crisis explodes

    Concerns are mounting in international financial circles that the present status of China’s economy is getting ever closer to what had existed in the United States when it was hit by the crisis triggered by the collapse of Lehman Brothers in 2008.

    An American analyst stationed in Beijing points to an extraordinary expansion of personal debt as a major risk to the nation’s economy. After the economy started showing signs of a slowdown in 2014, the government took every conceivable step to revitalize the real estate market by easing housing loan regulations. As a result, housing prices in major cities have shot up — by 78 percent in Beijing and 50 percent in Shanghai compared with 2010 levels. Household debt meanwhile kept expanding to account for more than 30 percent of fresh lending in the latter half of last year, up sharply from around 15 percent previously.

    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2017/05/23/commentary/world-commentary/day-chinas-version-lehman-crisis-explodes/#.WST00Wjys2w

  • Ben Hanscom

    Our Republic is dead, and it’s not coming back again. That ship sailed years ago. I’m just curious to see what it will become.

    • socalbeachdude

      No, the Republic is not dead at all.

  • JC Teecher

    I am usually the first person to speak out against socialism and people getting free stuff on the backs of taxpayers; Be it american citizens or those that come here from foreign countries, just for the freebies.
    However; I have to take umbrage with anyone that says Social Security is a gov handout.
    I started work at 7 years old, real work, as that of a grown man, working on my grandfather’s farm. sometimes on weekends, but mostly during the summers, while the other kids my age were off fishing, swimming and camping.
    Until i was almost fifteen and a half, I worked those long hot summers, and got $1.00 a week, yes that is right one dollar per week. Although, after a few years, I did wise up a bit and found a job that took most of the day, mowing for a rich ole booger of a man for $1.10 a day, usually on a friday or saturday, depending on the weather.
    When I was old enough to legally work, by obtaining a workers permit, at 15 & 1/2, I went to work for another Orchard Farmer for minimum wage. that summer before i got my driver’s license.
    Grandpa sure missed his cheap, cheap labor.

    The point is this:
    I had no say so when Social Security/FICA payroll deductions came out of my paycheck. Not once in my 40 plus years of working for someone else, and the years of self employment, did I ever have the option of not paying my Social Security payments.
    And to add to that, in 1991 I had no say so about the Medicare deductions being taken out of my paycheck, each and every pay period.

    My question is this:
    When did my involuntary payments to Social Security and Medicare, for my future needs, become ……..HANDOUTS, from the gov?

    • socalbeachdude

      The Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security programs account for MORE THAN 63% OF THE FEDERAL SPENDING and no meaningful cuts can be made without cutting those out of control expenditures.

      Medicare is not an entitlement program, but rather an INSURANCE PROGRAM like Social Security, but both are underfunded relative to the cost of benefits and the very substantial extension of longevity of the population.

      As to Medicaid, that is an entitlement program to provide no-cost medical expense coverage to USA residents as an alternative to other avenues of medical expense coverage and now more than 77 million Americans in the USA are beneficiaries of the Medicaid program at immense cost to the US federal and state governments.

    • JC Teecher

      I see another idiot (below) is awake and has no clue he/she is blocked by me, and for good reason.

    • HeyAHuman

      $1 a week? Was this in the ’40s?

      • JC Teecher

        Actually early 60’s, but my Grandparents were very poor growing up, and had to work for less than that until they bought the property for their farm and orchards, in 1940.
        I may have worked like slave labor for the $1.00 per week, but I could eat all I wanted, and almost at anytime of day or night.
        Out of about 20 grandchildren, another cousin my same age, worked for the same pay during the summers, and we were the only two that got a Christmas present from the Grandparents. $10.00 cash.

    • stasia

      I agree with most of what you say – however – many people will outlive what they paid into social security and at that point, at least for some, it becomes an entitlement.

      • JC Teecher

        Agreed.

      • Stuey

        It is a gamble. Many pay into it and die too early and never get a dime of it. So if you are lucky enough to live long enough to get all your money back and then some, you just got lucky and are just making up for the ones who died young.

    • Stuey

      I agree 100%. Including them in this article is a disgrace. Btw, i have a similar work history as you, except i started in 1979 for 25 cent/hr with a raise to 50 cent/hr halfway through that summer.

  • socalbeachdude

    Medical expense insurance coverage is not a right of anybody and would be FAR TOO EXPENSIVE IN THE USA for any state or the federal government to provide to all without ENORMOUSLY RAISING TAXES to cover it.

    The price tag on universal health care is in, and it’s bigger than California’s budget

    The price tag is in: It would cost $400 billion to remake California’s health insurance marketplace and create a publicly funded universal heath care system, according to a state financial analysis released Monday.

    California would have to find an additional $200 billion per year, including in new tax revenues, to create a so-called “single-payer” system, the analysis by the Senate Appropriations Committee found. The estimate assumes the state would retain the existing $200 billion in local, state and federal funding it currently receives to offset the total $400 billion price tag.

    The cost analysis is seen as the biggest hurdle to creating a universal system, proposed by Sens. Ricardo Lara, D-Bell Gardens, and Toni Atkins, D-San Diego.

    It remains a long-shot bid. Steep projected costs have derailed efforts over the past two decades to establish such a health care system in California. The cost is higher than the $180 billion in proposed general fund and special fund spending for the budget year beginning July 1.

    Employers currently spend between $100 billion to $150 billion per year, which could be available to help offset total costs, according to the analysis. Under that scenario, total new spending to implement the system would be between $50 billion and $100 billion per year.

    http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article151960182.html#storylink=cpy

    • Eatie Gourmet

      Typical building project or government program: Costs more, takes longer.

  • socalbeachdude

    Only 20% of the US government annual spending is for total military spending with 16% for actual military spending and 4% for Veterans Benefits.

    The biggest part of the spending is SOCIAL PROGRAMS including the Social Security and Medicare insurance programs which are NOT ACTUARILY SOUND and which are paying out vastly more than they have taken in with payroll taxes.

    A summary of the fiscal 2015 US federal government expenditures totaling nearly $4 trillion is as follows:

    WELFARE & MEDICAL (63%)
    33% Social Security, Unemployment, Labor
    27% Medicare & Health
    ..3% Housing & Community

    MILITARY (20%)
    16% Military
    ..4% Veterans Benefits

    INTEREST ON DEBT (6%)
    ..6% Interest on Debt

    FOOD & TRANSPORTATION (6%)
    ..3% Food & Agriculture
    ..3% Transportation

    EDUCATION & SCIENCE (3%)
    ..2% Education
    ..1% Science

    ENERGY, ENVIRONMENT, & INTERNATIONAL (2%)
    ..1% International Affair
    ..1% Energy & Environment

    OTHER EXPENSES (1%)
    ..1% Government Expenses (general)

    The complete breakdown of Fiscal 2015 expenditures is extensively detailed including actual numbers as well as pie-charts with various percentage breakdowns as to discretionary and non-discretionary expenditures at:

    https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/spending/

    Unless you cut at least $1 trillion of that federal government spending, the US government will continue running up deficits and not have balanced budget and even if it does cut $1 trillion of spending there would be no room at all to lower federal taxes.

    • yams88

      How is social security a welfare program when you had to pay into it in the first place? If everyone has such a problem with it, then I demand every single penny I put in, plus interest so I can invest it it and save on my own. Its not welfare when everyone is contributing in order to obtain its benefits.

      The real issue isn’t that there was a social security system in place to force everyone to manage and save on their retirement, but that fact that it was heavily corrupted like everything else in life. It doesn’t matter if you are a government, big, or small business. If it is a corrupt system, it will fail. A lot of the money was taken out to pay other bills and now it keeps ‘running out’ and requiring us to take in debt to make ends meet. Now there is no easy way out of it other than telling everyone that paid into it for all or half their lives that they are not allowed to have anything back, and let everyone fall as we try to pay back debt with a population that has no money.

      Or just maybe we can not do something so horrible, and instead learn to invest wisely so that the American people earn a higher income and therefore pay more into taxes while still having plenty to their name, and slowly reduce the deficit from there. Teach a man to fish couldn’t be anymore true. We need to bring skills to our workers and be willing to invest in the less fortunate in the proper way. I agree, giving out extended unemployment doesn’t help anyone, but why not make people go to college while they are on it? Why not use programs to get people reskilled and businesses interested in the American people’s labor in the first place? Instead of playing this game of ‘race to the bottom’ where we compete with the jobs no one wants to employ us in, we learn to do more?

      • jaxon64

        Crud–I’ll explain it briefly so even a yam like you can understand.
        Social Security could NEVER have worked–period.
        Take your average 80 year old in a nursing home…………………..
        In 1970, a $25,000 salary was decent money. They may have paid $1200 for an entire year’s worth of deductions for Medicare and SSI.
        The average CHEAP, non-profit nursing home charges about $6000 a month for Dr’s, nursing, transports, food, meds, rooms, rehab etc.
        This example alone shows that they reap in ONE MONTH what they contributed in FIVE YEARS to the system. The average retiree according to recent CBO stats will receive somewhere between 57 and 65 TIMES the amount of 2016 dollars in benefits compared to the inflation adjusted money contributed.!! Let that sink in and then tell me that Medicare and SSI are not “charity.”
        Now with a declining tax base and burgeoning retirement of Boomers, the Ponzi scheme is collapsing. But it was always a poorly designed program destined for failure. They never factored in inflation and always counted on a meteoric growth in population and production—FAIL.

        • socalbeachdude

          Correct.

      • socalbeachdude

        Both Medicare and Social Security are WELFARE PROGRAMS designed for the general welfare of the American people. You apparently conceive of the use of the term welfare too narrowly and far too removed from the actual meaning of the word.

        Yes, they are INSURANCE PROGRAMS but they are not actuarily sound and are paying out vastly more in benefits and all of the money to fund them has ALREADY BEEN SPENT ON VAST TRILLIONS OF GOVERNMENT DEFICITS and all that is left is around $6 trillion of US Treasuries (federal government debt) in the Medicare and Social Security Trust Funds rather than any actual money.

      • Al Terego

        Socialist Security is a welfare program because it is just a tax which you are forced to pay. The SS tax that you pay while working goes to pay the benefits of the people who are receiving benefits at the time you are paying the tax. The benefits you receive when you retire or become “disabled” are paid for by the taxes being paid in by the people who are working while you are receiving benefits.

        The evil genius of the criminals who implemented this Ponzi scheme, was that they made it seem like “your money” by basing you eligibility on some purely arbitrary requirements, like that you had to have worked for x-number of quarters, etc.

        But the Supreme Court has even ruled that SS is nothing more than a welfare program and an involuntary tax; and that you have no inherent right to any benefits- which is also why if you die before collecting a dime, your hiers do not inherit your benefits. (You can read the whole court decision on the SS website, under “history of Social Security”)

        Think about it: A relative of mine worked for 40 years at low-paying jobs from c. 1940-1980. I estimated (and being generous, no less) that throughout that time, he paid in no more than $15K in total.

        Meanwhile, he received c. $1000/month for 20 years, till he died.(That’s a quarter of a million bucks right there, not to mention Medicare and everything else…); His ex-wife received c. $700/month for close to 30 years; His “disabled” daughter has been on SSI for nearly 50 years….. All in all, if you don’t think SS is welfare, then you’d have to believe that it’s magic, because somehow, from that $12K one person paid in, he and his family received several million dollars worth of benefits….

        And that’s just one person. See why SS is not only a Ponzi scheme and a welfare program, but is totally unsustainable?

      • Kevin Kazakevich

        Yes!!!

    • Kevin Kazakevich

      Social security is not a hand out.. it is just a savings program paid for by working people. So the facts above are misleading!

      • socalbeachdude

        There is nothing even slightly “misleading” as to what I clearly stated above. What is stated above are the DISTRIBUTION PERCENTAGES OF CURRENT FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SPENDING. 63% of that spending is for WELFARE AND MEDICAL EXPENDITURES just as stated. There are no funds left in the Social Security and Medicare Trust Funds as that entire nearly $6 trillion previously collected in payroll taxes has BEEN ENTIRELY SPENT and what is left are a special class of US Treasuries (government debt) that are just IOUs that must be paid out of the CURRENT FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TAX REVENUES. What part of those facts do you not comprehend?

        • Kevin Kazakevich

          Yes. But social security does not pay enough to live on. People would rather have a middle class job than a disability payment.

  • Cinderella Man

    There’s no such thing as free. I tell ya it was hillarious when I heard all these liberals thinking Obamacare was gonna turn single payer! Ha! Bernie rails against capitalism but he has done well for himself as a politician. Isn’t funny how they pass these healthcare laws but exempt themselves? They know it sucks. As for food stamps I think it’s good for TEMPORARY help but it was never intended to be used as a permanent solution. I know people that are perfectly able to work but are trying to find any way to get social security disability. “I have anxiety” “work stresses me out” you know what stresses me out? Having to get up and work everyday to support you! I don’t believe in giving people with questionable mental problems getting ssd. They could do something to earn that money. Put stamps on envelopes for the govt whatever. Disability should go to be who are in fact disabled. And correct me if I’m wrong but dosent the disability money come from the same find as ss retirement?

    • JC Teecher

      I agree, SS Disability should only go for those unable to do a job, nearly any feasible job, that is causing them chronic pain. If putting stamps on envelopes, pays more than what a person would receive in Disability benefits, and it “does not” cause them chronic pain, then by all means, give them the job, and deny benefits.
      However; it does not work that way. A job opportunity does not automatically come with denial of a claim. In our state, they say, “we don’t find you disabled, and if you have to pick up, sell out, and move away from the place you have always lived, and your family, that is your problem.”

      The problem is, the Federal Gov. came up with this plan of SS, scoffed off and wasted trillions of it, over the decades, and allows the states to determine who they deem necessary to receive it.
      There is no “standard” for determination that is fair.
      Why? Because it ultimately, in most cases, comes down to luck of the draw, as to which decision making person or persons a claimant gets, when the final decision comes down, as if they are determined to be disabled or not.

      This man I know, receives almost $2300.00 per month, in SS Disability benefits, and played the Judge in his case, by lying through his teeth, about how severe his disability is, and how much pain he is in.
      Yes, he worked at construction work all his life and pushed his body to the point that he bulged a disc at some point. Many people have bulging discs and never come close to being approved for their SS Disability. This man, has a contract with a huge apartment complex, and receives another $2500.00 per month, in cash, for keeping their grass mowed, and a few shrubs trimmed.

      A woman I know of, was in a vehicle accident, and it damaged her spine to the point that three different Neurosurgeons told her they did not have the technology available to repair her back, and maybe with about a million dollars worth of operations she “might” have some improvement in her pain issues.
      Because her job was sitting at a desk all day, our state denied her claim for SS Disabilty, “three” times.

      If a person has worked and paid into the system of FICA, the payments were not only there for help in their retirement years, when becoming of age; but also for any disability that would come along that prevents them from being able to work, without being in pain all the time.
      So, people do pay, if they have worked and paid in through the system, for those benefits.

      Another big problem is when people are determined to not have enough education to be deemed “trainable” for a job, then they can receive SSI/Welfare benefits that come right out of that fund as well.

      A man in our neighborhood, has always been a lazy azz and dumbazz, because he quit school before 16.

      he has only ever worked about 2 years, his entire life, whereby he paid into the FICA system, He has always been able bodied but dumb as a rock, mostly by choice. he has been receiving SSI and medicaid for the past fifteen years, and is just 55 years old.

      so the system in most states is not set up fairly, but, like i said, it is like a lottery. Some get lucky and draw the right people in their quest for benefits. Some deserve to receive them and some do not.

      • Carl

        “A woman I know of, was in a vehicle accident, and it damaged her spine
        to the point that three different Neurosurgeons told her they did not
        have the technology available to repair her back, and maybe with about a
        million dollars worth of operations she “might” have some improvement
        in her pain issues.”

        Maybe she should pray to jesus to take away the pain. If she is blessed like leif erickson then it should be no problem for god to take away that for her. Since teech knows her she has got to be a christian. If she isn’t then maybe teech could do her a solid and ask god to take it away as a favor to him.

      • JC Teecher

        I see the village idiot is awake
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      • mtntrek3

        Hey JCT….. checking in. Take care.

        • JC Teecher

          Good day, Chris.
          Good to see you are alive and kicking.

          • mtntrek3

            God determines all….. thankfully He has had mercy on me and continues to do so. He’s good beyond what I deserve for sure. …..Good. : ).

          • mtntrek3

            Keep the faith brother. : ). All other brothers and sisters in Christ also. God’s Blessings to you and all of us in Christ.

    • socalbeachdude

      No, it is a separate tax paid by employers and employees. Employee contributions are paid through payroll deductions. Please see the current State Disability Insurance Withholding Rate on the Tax Rate and Withholding Schedules. The SDI Withholding Rate for 2017 is 0.9 percent. The SDI taxable wage limit is $110,902 per employee for calendar year 2017.

  • Jeri Brace

    if it wasn’t for the illegals & the Refugees our safety net programs wouldn’t be at a critical stage.

    • TOUJOURS DEMAIN

      40.2% recipients of SNAP are white. The next largest percentage is black at only 25.7%.

      There must be a lot of white illegals and refugees.

      • sister soldier

        The figure of 236 million does not take into account that the same person may receive multiple entitlements. 236 million does not calculate when pared with the total population of the United States. That would mean there are more people receiving entitlements that are actually employed or too young and are students or children under the age working consent.

        • TOUJOURS DEMAIN

          True. Any figures (facts) can be used in multiple ways to prove or disprove anything.

          Here is a fact, there is ALWAYSTOMORROW.

          • JC Teecher

            Fact: Eating pinto beans causes gas.

            I think I’ll have some cantaloupe sprinkled with black pepper.

        • yams88

          Considering the us population is 321 million, we would be dealing with more than half on welfare not working/under working. Which would have put us in crisis levels never seen before in history. Of course that is not the case because these numbers are overlapping/misleading. Furthermore, if it counts things like social security, which people paid into, then that isn’t welfare and not a very fair justification.

          Though it is true there is a serious problem in terms of those that are just on the borderline in making it and that our economy has done downhill. Just that for the sake of this article, this one is a bit misleading.

        • jaxon64

          I see you and yams struggle with reading comprehension. It was clearly stated 236 million ENROLLMENTS of the 4 largest programs with MUCH OVERLAP and ONE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE estimated to be on govt assistance—does that help?

          • sister soldier

            It surely doesn’t help your case that’s for sure. The numbers are fudged!

        • nekksys

          From Michael’s own article above:
          “For example, many Americans that are on Medicaid are also on food stamps, and many Americans that are on Medicare are also on Social Security. But even accounting for that, most experts estimate that the number of Americans that are dependent on the federal government month after month is well over 100 million.”

          “Once again, there is overlap in enrollment between these various programs, but even accounting for that most experts believe that well over a third of the country is currently receiving benefits from the government each month.”

          So yeah, he mentions it pretty clearly and does so not once, but twice.

      • JC Teecher

        Yes but you have to figure the ratios of which,
        72.4% of the total population is white, and
        12.6% are Black,
        16.3% are Hispanic.

        • sister soldier

          What’s your point? Because I fail to see why you would point that out other than to “glorify” your own race and discredit others.

          • JC Teecher

            Not trying to glorify, nor justify any race, but to state facts.
            Bad and good in all races, and I have no preference as to race but to Christians…true Christians, not just the ones that have a holier than thou attitude because of their attendance to a so-called Holy building once or twice a week.

          • JC Teecher

            Maybe your knee jerk reactions have something to do with your racial chip on your shoulder. ????

            Maybe you need to stop, and think before calling people names and accusing them of something you think you are reading into their comments.
            “Glorify”? Ummm? I sense a lot of self-glorification in your comments, but that isn’t what I look for.
            GSOB has the site’s top position as the Holier than Thou champion; please don’t replace him.

          • sister soldier

            Actually I accredited that title to you.

          • JC Teecher

            You just proved my point about what was revealed to me about you.
            You are a double minded person, ..and a user.

            If you see me as a Holier than thou person, and as a false profit, how can one be both?
            Isn’t that an oxymoron; calling me a Holy False Profit.
            Anyways; you are locked in like a reed in the wind, this way when it appeases you, and that way when in different company.
            Good thing I found out before getting into business with you.
            btw, have met a new business (affectional) partner in MB. she is 48, and a lifelong resident, with a nice place right near the water.
            Guess how we met? Must have been divine intervention, as we have so much in common, and she is a straight shooter, unlike………..

          • sister soldier

            TMI

          • biqus

            I thought it was supposed to be spelled “Sista Soulja”?

          • Lord-Pi-314

            Screw you, you commie. If you can’t figure it out without your “screw whitey” commie propaganda, then there is no use trying to explain it to you. Why don’t you go live in Liberia, for example.

        • Paul Anders

          LOL
          So far we’re at 101.3%, and you haven’t included Asians, Arabs, etc.

          • JC Teecher

            I see you are a stickler for precise figures.
            Good. I did not even think to do the math, as the figures came from a US Census/demographics web site.

            i think it is relatively close enough for us to figure the ratios of whites, blacks and Hispanics that are the major recipients of the SNAP benefits, though.
            I think the table I took the figures from was including a large percentage of Hispanic/Caucasian mixes as identifying as Whites. The true figure for true Caucasians of Western European decent is probably closer to 69%.

            The real percentage that matters is that of comparison to the total population of each race within America, that is receiving these SNAP…aka Food Stamps.

            According to a study compiled in 2014 we see the comparisons of all those three race groups receiving SNAP.

            Feb 7, 2014 – Number of people on Food Stamps by race. White: 19,475,000. Black: 17,100,000. Hispanic: 8,550,000.

            When looking at it from this standpoint, it is clear that a higher percentage of Blacks receive SNAP, then do Caucasians, or even Hispanics, when compared to the total population of each group.
            What does this prove? Not much, because many of the inner city populations of Blacks have fewer opportunities for jobs, and that can run up their total by leaps and bounds.
            Would many of these inner city blacks hold jobs if they were available?
            Most would, if there were no SNAP benefits available to them.

      • Ron Chaney

        One illegal on any tax payer funded assistance is too many. One able bodied American on tax payer funded assistance is too many. It is not the working, tax paying, American citizens responsibility to feed, clothe, house, educate, medicate, and entertain, every illegal, lazy, irresponsible, uninspired BUM, in the country!

      • jaxon64

        So 67% of recipients are Americans and 33% of our freebies for feeding the impoverished goes to muslims and Mexicans–I think you actually proved William’s point about the strain the illegals put on our system.
        PS: when Whites make up 69% of the population yet far less than half of the total welfare recipients, then again–you made the point that normal levels of national poverty could be managed but with hundreds of billions leaking out to people who don’t even belong here and are here criminally, we are getting stretched to breaking.

      • TheHolyCrow

        Ok, so that means that 35% are illegals ? 40% + 25% = 65%. 35% going to illegals is quite high, don’t you think ?????

      • Rasputin

        About 75% of the population is white and about 15% are black.

    • William Lutz

      Those illegal aliens who are criminals or welfare recipients with numerous offspring need to GTFO of this country and go back to the ****hole they came from. Why are we practically the only nation who has to put up with this bull****? No amnesty for the outlaws or parasites.

      • Juan-Million

        Yes, get rid of those criminals

      • Kevin Kazakevich

        Yes! Unlimited breading can be substantially reduced if financial incentives from the government were cut. I would suggest that all government funding beyond two children should be cut by 100%. And funding for the second child be cut by 10%.

        • socalbeachdude

          Yes. I have long advocated an approach very similar to what you are suggesting.

    • Eatie Gourmet

      Not exactly. The bureacrats running SS Disability, e.g. are looking for job-security & mis-manage our taxpayer dollars ALL the time! I know a couple, late 50’s, she hasn’t worked for 10 years, he makes $70K/year + military pension, but she’s diabetic with a heart condition, applied for disability (on the advice of a doctor!), & now gets $1400/ month (tax-free). NO Way she should be getting that! They already have a household income 1 & 1/2 times the avg household income for a family of four in this country!
      Another guy, trust-fund kid — its all in a Trust! — late 20’s, on dialysis — big deal, my uncle was on dialysis for 15 years and still ran a farm — this kid gets EVERY benefit, from health care to food stamps to welfare to SSI, while he is “able” to stand around in his back yard and crack a whip (literally) for hours, cruises around in his New car — Sorry, but he is ABLE to work and Should be working! — and living in one of the most affluent neighborhoods in the area. Leeches aren’t just illegals & refugees. Both the examples I cited are white, middle class Leeches. But there are leeches of all races and classes.

    • Kevin Kazakevich

      Yes. All of the new jobs are going overseas or to illegal immigrants or to the family members of elite psychopaths leaving normal and well educated permanently unemployed. Social security payments should be substantially increased by 400%.

      • Rich Capitalist

        ‘Tis a matter of the survival of the fittest. Why should I perform menial labor, when I could program trading algorithms that create wealth? Why should an economically unproductive septuagenarian receive thousands every month? Social security is a pyramid scheme, since inflation degrades the value of the “investment,” which requires younger people to support the lifestyles of retired artifacts of obsolescence.

        • Kevin Kazakevich

          Of course even myself who is illegally on disability can create wealth (or more accurately seal wealth from the work of others and I don’t mind doing this myself) But in my particular case (I am taking about myself) why are elite psychopaths deciding that a medical doctor (myself) who ranks in the 95th percentile world wide on my medical license exam, is unable to do anything????? Is it because I. am requesting work place safety issues such as not working 70to80 hours a week? Is it because I was taking care of indigent patients and the CEO of some big shot in the hospital decided that they should be denied medical care and when I tried to offer something (this story goes back to when I was a student) I was dismissed from school? And your last point about a 70 year old not being able to work is undeniable proof that you know nothing about Anti. Aging medicine and regenerative medicine and detoxification and nutrition and hormones replacement that can easily extend the working life span by 15 years. But it is more convenient for a doctor like myself to be unemployed and to actively fight the advances in medical breakthroughs. Why is my new book “Exposing the dangers and true motivations of conventional medicine a summary of the most commonly misdiagnosed illnesses of modern medicine by Dr Kevin Ford” not known in the medical community and why is it being blocked from being required reading for 100,000 of thousands of students interested in health, psychology, life extension, preventing illnesses and generating real wealth by allowing people to work and be healthy until age 80 and part time work well beyond this age? I can you are going to force out of work people that can work than the disability/or retirement benefits should go up by 400% so that they can take care of themselves!

      • socalbeachdude

        Social Security benefits need to be CUT BY AT LEAST 40% to make Social Security actuarily sound based on what was paid in by beneficiaries.

    • steven454

      Wrong – the middle class is having to rely on these programs more and more. There are tent cities full of people who used to pay the mortgage on their house, park 2 cars in the garage and raise their 2.2 children on the income from 2 adult parents. These are now the kind of people who are having to file for assistance.

      • socalbeachdude

        No, there certainly aren’t “tent cities” anywhere in the USA at all. Where do you come up with such utterly bogus delusional nonsense?

  • Mondobeyondo

    The question may soon be asked, “Who among us is NOT receiving government assistance of any kind?”

    • Bill

      May not be anyone…? Therefore we are all hooked? If some are not hooked, are they the perfect citizens? Are you, like me looking for answers?

      • alan

        Its getting to the point of why even bother working, its too much trouble. Might as well retire right out of high school. Anything you make will get taxed away.

    • jaxon64

      Me–and I’m starting to feel like a sucker.

      • Eatie Gourmet

        Me, too — Been feeling that way for years. I just have to suffered silently my pocket being picked every 2 weeks. Breeds resentment, I can tell you that!

  • socalbeachdude

    On Eve Of Election, Montana GOP Candidate Charged With Assault On Reporter

    The Montana special congressional race was roiled on the eve of Thursday’s vote after GOP nominee Greg Gianforte allegedly “body slammed” a reported and was subsequently cited by local authorities.

    http://www.npr.org/2017/05/24/529862697/republican-s-altercation-with-reporter-shakes-up-montana-race-on-eve-of-voting

    • Eatie Gourmet

      I think he still won. Many people _Dream_ of being able to beat up a snide commie limp-dishrag Guardian reporter!

      • socalbeachdude

        MONTANA REPUB BODYSLAMS REPORTER…THEN WINS!

        ‘I made a mistake… I’m sorry’: Republican candidate Greg Gianforte apologizes for body-slamming reporter after WINNING Montana special election despite facing assault charge

        Greg Gianforte is leading by five points in the Montana special election despite being charged with misdemeanor assault on Wednesday, the night before polls opened.

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4543806/Greg-Gianforte-wins-Montana-special-election.html

  • socalbeachdude

    GOP Leaders Haven’t Sent Obamacare Repeal to Senate…

    House May Be Forced to Vote Again on GOP’s Obamacare Repeal Bill

    House Republicans barely managed to pass their Obamacare repeal bill earlier this month, and they now face the possibility of having to vote again on their controversial health measure.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-05-18/house-may-be-forced-to-vote-again-on-gop-s-obamacare-repeal-bill

  • mtntrek3

    First of all, there aren’t enough jobs of livable wage earnings. Blue collar along with white collar jobs are being outsourced secondly. The dollar buys less all the time is another issue. There is fraud of course going on in that ones claiming/receiving assistance don’t really have any legitimate disability. They should be denied/cut off. There are two sides to every coin. Greed along w/fraud in various percentages are at play and …….. it amounts to no good for all of us.

    • socalbeachdude

      Wages have nothing whatsoever to do with “livable” but rather have to do with WHAT THE JOB IS WORTH TO THE EMPLOYER in terms of production of goods and/or services that the employer can sell to customers. Where do you think employers get money from to pay anyone but from clients and customers?

      • mtntrek3

        Retail/ service sector etc. …… lower wage jobs tend to dominate the workforce. Corp’s go overseas for cheaper labor. Like Trump said…… “The cost of American labor being what it is” in response to Letterman asking why he didn’t have his apparel made here.

        • socalbeachdude

          True, which is precisely why American labor has totally priced itself out of even being considered for the production of most all retail consumer goods.

          • mtntrek3

            Not too far in the future, we will be the rich and poor. Most of us…… guess which one?

          • socalbeachdude

            That’s the inevitable results in an economy dominated by large publicly traded corporations which operate for the best interest of their management and shareholders and that is at the very core what is wrong with the US economic system. Nothing will change at all in that regard UNLESS ANTITRUST LAWS – already on the books (the Sherman and Clayton Acts) – are used to bust up that business model.

          • mtntrek3

            Big banks, big corporations and big government rule. Nothing wrong with having money, it’s what we do with it. (Ethics and morals!) What say you?

          • socalbeachdude

            I agree, and we will not see any change unless MORALITY AND BENEVOLENT PATERALISM return to American principles.

    • Carl

      Christians don’t need livable wages to survive in this world. Just pray to jesus and he will rain money for your rent, food like manna from heaven. And if you are blessed enough you may even get a little extra for some of life’s luxuries.

      • mtntrek3

        Hi Carl. Personally, as horrible as it would be…… I’d rather live in abject poverty and go to Heaven than have all I wanted in this life and burn in Hell. Christ and His disciples lived very conservatively amid much conflict in their lives. Most of us don’t understand such lifestyles. Economically, yes we need to be afforded a livable wage…..all of us. A fair days work for a fair days wage. Our needs are to be met for sure……. this and beyond that are determined by God.

        • Carl

          Spoken like the brainwashed individual you are. There is no hell.

          Christ had NO money and relied on others to give him what he needed. Thus the reason he was miffed when he wanted some figs and the tree was not in season. So he cursed the tree.

          So we can liken jesus and his followers to politicians who get money from people who believe in their cause.

          God determines nothing in this life. He is impotent and unable to do anything to influence the lives of his followers on this earth.

  • mtntrek3

    Here’s an example of charity, and theft basically. This is a true story btw. A man (Joe) enters a church in our local area donating food for the food pantry. He encounters another man (Fred) there whom he knows. Joe asks Fred, “What are you doing here?” noticing that Fred is picking out items from the shelves. “I’m just trying to save some money” Fred responds. Joe just shakes his head and leaves. Fred has an ample pension and wasn’t even close to being in need as ones that rely on the pantry for food help. One giving, one greedy.

    • Fred

      Hay Joe, maybe next time try to incorporate some fresh meats into your food bank. Preferably beef. Thanks.

      • mtntrek3

        Not funny.

        • Juan-Million

          Some lamb chops would be nice

          • socalbeachdude

            With some delicious mint jelly!

          • Juan-Million

            see 🙂

          • socalbeachdude

            I think you mean “Si”…

          • mtntrek3

            Dry it up. I’m being serious here.

          • TOUJOURS DEMAIN

            I think I will have a slice of sirloin tip roast.

    • Carl

      More fake christian stories under the guise of being true stories.

      If Joe really cared about the food bank and thought that Fred was taking advantage he should have spoken up. But that would be judging and we can’t have that can we?

      Though who is Joe to say what Fred does and does not need.

      I have found that people with money cry poverty just as loudly as those who are experiencing actual poverty. It is all about a persons priorities and what they feel entitled too as far as lifestyle goes for the well to do who complain about being broke.

      • mtntrek3

        Joe and Fred in this true story are nearly identical financially speaking. One is thinking of the less fortunate, the other is thinking of himself mostly.

        • Carl

          One is a martyr and the other knows that this world is dog eat dog and he does not want to eat his own vomit to survive.

          One sounds like a self righteous jerk and the other sounds more up front about who he is. Maybe Joe thinks he has enough but Fred doesn’t. It is all in a persons perception and maybe Joe should get off his high horse and focus on himself rather than others if he is unwilling to be a man and say something to his friend. With the caveat what would dressing down his friend accomplish?

      • socalbeachdude

        Yep.

    • JC Teecher

      Sounds like me and my Dad.
      I am a giver, and Dad is a taker (tighter than bark on a tree)
      My younger brother got Dad’s greediness…x 10.

      • mtntrek3

        Well, I’m sorry to hear about your Dad and younger brother being the way they are. Hopefully they will change for the better soon. We should try to help others as we can for sure. As I’ve said before……. some of us are able to help out others more, some less. Yet, whether it be a little or much…. God can bless it and multiply it. God is good. Tears of joy in saying. : ) Take care JCT. God Bless.

        • JC Teecher

          Thanks Chris. They won’t change until Jesus returns, as they are so wrapped up in themselves and their stuff, it is sickening. I deal with them because they are family, but both are holding on to their material possessions with a death grip, just like the pre-tribbers hold on to their security blanket doctrines (escapism), of men.
          I live life with the same ideology that my grandparents on both sides had.
          Anything that does not add to your self sustainability and longevity, is just “stuff” that you can do without.

          I do have some things like nice wildlife/outdoors framed prints, that I purchased for a small fraction of what they are actually worth and retailed for.
          They are what I call luxury items with true value, as i can enjoy them everyday, when i am feeling sort of melancholy they bring me peace and comfort, like my collection of Bibles.

          • mtntrek3

            We have one (at least) from both of our families (my wife and I) that we’ve had to distance ourselves from. We love them, (and have helped them several times in several ways) but in order to avoid being taken down financially and otherwise w/them…… we’ve had to step back and basically avoid them, until they ever change. We pray for them in the meantime…………. .

          • socalbeachdude

            Oh, get real, dude.

  • BS1986

    Oh when those payments STOP the streets of America will run red with blood.

    • socalbeachdude

      Nope, and we’ve already cut welfare payments here in California back by more than 8% and not even a whimper from anyone.

      • BS1986

        HAHAHAHAHAHA 8% WOW such a big number………..

        • socalbeachdude

          It was a HUGE SAVINGS here in California.

          • BS1986

            Well commiefornia always has had low standards.

          • socalbeachdude

            California is – by far – the largest economy in the USA and is a $2.5 trillion a year economy with no other state even coming close to the size of California’s economy.

          • BS1986

            OK and is that supposed to impress me?
            Hey go to your local Gun SHop and buy a 17rd Glock magazine……..oh wait you cant.

    • JC Teecher

      If you look at the statistics on riots and rage, the majority of those that are looking to express their anger in the streets are the African Americans.
      The new generation of liberal indoctrinated Caucasians are quickly catching up in the numbers category of rioters/protesters, that are becoming violent.

      Big cities, especially in the North East/East Coast regions, and southern California, will be the first areas to bring blood, and damage property.

      This is why it is a good idea to start making a residence change for those living in city limits of these areas.
      Blood in the streets and Martial Law is what I see when the ebt/welfare gets cut off in these areas.
      Rural areas will not have as much of a problem, mainly because rural people have guns, and can protect themselves if the monkeys go wild and start destroying property.

      • BS1986

        Really? What part of Africa are they from?
        The reality is they are thugs and kids pitching temper fits-the first one of their friends heads that explodes from a 7.62rd their pants will fill with crap and they will go running home.
        Its when the food runs out we should be scared.

        • socalbeachdude

          What utter nonsense.

          • BS1986

            Which part sissy?
            Time to toughen up, the libtards are on a rampage and we need to remind them what happens when they do.

          • socalbeachdude

            What utter nonsense.

          • BS1986

            You can say that while I stomp you.

  • William Lutz

    And why do my comments keep getting moderated? I want everybody to know my thoughts.

    • SnodtBlossom

      lol

    • Zoltanne

      Same happens to me. Usually I just comment on his articles elsewhere like ZeroHedge.

  • mtntrek3

    I have another comment pending. Well, overall I have enjoyed this blog. I will continue to check in from time to time. I agree/disagree with things in the articles….. but at the end of the day we are all Americans/ all citizens of our respective nations. We can continue to trade and be partners in our world, and hopefully so. The thing is…… our respective governments are exploiting us and want to dominate we the people of our respective countries. We all tend to side with one political ideal or another. We all do. That’s understandable. However I’m seeing that it all is geared against most of us. The powers that be will continue to work through both the left and right in several ways. Divide and conquer is one way….. maybe the main way. Speaking of ways……. Christ is the only true Way. Buckle in with Him and hang on. Take care all. Chris.

    • SnodtBlossom

      there is no god

      • mtntrek3

        I can say He is, you can say He isn’t. God says He is…… so He is. Enough said.

        • jox

          lol

          • mtntrek3

            God doesn’t rely on us as creation to verify His existence. He says He is…… therefore He is.

          • jox

            He said that to you personally? You christians invent things, you write them in a book, you say that the book is written by God, and then you believe the things written in the book that were invented by you in the first place. Congratulations!

          • mtntrek3

            His Word. Anyway, you guys can thrash me about as you wish. Take heed to God’s Word please. Take care.

          • JC Teecher

            Hey Chris, you are being double teamed.
            Carl is looking for a new sparring partner over the Divinity, of which he disagrees with.
            I have Carl on block as I am through with his ridiculousness. Apparently jox agrees with Carl, so keep your gospel armor polished up. amen?

          • Carl

            Teechy you blocked me because of 2 articles ago when you got schooled on god and his genocidal attacks on humans on earth. You know I was right and that is why you ran for the hills.

          • mtntrek3

            Tears. ……….. I had to take a break there. Talking w/ my wife. Talking w/God most importantly. Yes, we stay in close w/God. I’m seriously concerned about Carl/jox and all others that need Christ. I pray for all to know Christ as Savior before it’s too late. I also pray for all of us as children of God to keep our faith in Him. You know……. I also get on abc news disqus and vent politically, while more importantly try to point others to Him. Whether here or elsewhere….. man’s politics tends to define us more than anything(sadly)….. and it’s becoming nothing more than a fighting point in which the enemy enjoys (divide and conquer). I myself lean to the left somewhat, but overall middle politically, most important is my faith in God through Jesus. Many ways in which the enemy is seeking to destroy us. Yes, JCT, we have to keep on our guard constantly. We may disagree on certain things, but we need to stay agreed on our faith in the Way. : ) ….. Jesus. God Bless you brother. Chris.

        • Carl

          No proof god said anything.

          • mtntrek3

            The Bible …… . That’s not proof?

          • Carl

            Nope not at all. As you know there are many religious books that all say similar and different things about god and how followers of said god should live their lives. Just because you choose to believe in the bible and discount all the other world religions does not mean you have picked the right one. Same goes for other religions.

          • mtntrek3

            Well, my hope and prayer is that you Carl and all others come to know Jesus as Savior. Hey, I love you…….. Christ loves us infinitely. P.S. – We have to do our part and accept Him, repent of our sins and follow Him. SLFN. Chris.

          • mtntrek3

            Anyway, God IS. I am concerned for everyone. As I’ve said before…… I don’t get on here or other sites and say what I do for my sake/patting myself on the back. I’m a messenger …. God is everything. I am seriously concerned about all others and their eternal destiny. This sinner saved by the grace of God wants all others to be saved also. Please consider Christ as your Savior Carl. Saying this in love. Chris.

          • Carl

            As a former christian this does not hold any water with me. Once a persons eyes are opened to the truth there is no going back. That is why teechy blocked me, because he could not handle the truth.

          • mtntrek3

            Our ways of thinking/logic can’t comprehend the ways of God. You left the Truth, turn back to Him please. Gotta go now. Take care.

          • Marc

            1 John 2:22-23, 26 The liar is the one who says, “Jesus is not really the Anointed One.” This is the antiChrist, the one denying both the Father and the Son. Anyone who denies the Son does not know the Father. The one affirming the Son enjoys an intimate relationship with the Father as well. I also am writing to warn you about some who are attempting to deceive you. 2 Peter 3:3-7 Above all, be sure to remember that in the last days mockers will come, following their own desires and taunting you, saying, “So what happened to the promised second coming of Jesus? For everything keeps going just the way it has since our ancestors fell asleep in death; since the beginning of creation, nothing’s changed.”
            When they make fun of you, it’s as if the scoffers are deliberately forgetting that long ago when God spoke the word, the heavens came into existence and the earth formed from water and by water. The waters later flooded and destroyed that world. By that same word, the heavens and earth we see now are being reserved for destruction by fire, preserved until the time comes for the godless on the day of judgment.

      • sister soldier

        If it were possible for a universe to truly arise from nothingness when literally nothing exists (which is impossible but let’s entertain the idea for argument’s sake) then why can’t a God form from nothingness as well?

        If you believe the consciousness in the universe formed by itself so why would it be irrational to believe in a consciousness that formed outside of the universe?

        In fact it would be a given in the non-believers view here since you believe infinite particles are literally forming from nothingness outside of the universe all the time without break. How can one then argue that one “universe” did not form with an actual consciousness and is akin to something we might call a God?

        Atheism is a self defeating philosophy.

        • Carl

          You say that we could not just come from nothing. That something cannot come from nothing. Yet you ignore this when you speak of god and say he has always been. If god has always been and you believe that; why is it a stretch of the imagination to believe that humans and animals and plants have always existed too?

          Then you take it one step further and ascribe an idealogy and assumption that your idea, your version of god is what has always been without thinking about the past and asking yourself before christianity and before jesus and before the bible, what was? The answer to that is it was not your modern god. Your jesus. Your muhammad. Your buddha. Etc, etc, etc.

          In the ancient times before Al Gore created the internet people did not know what the sun was so they created a god named ra to explain it. They did not know what thunder and lightening was so they created the god thor to explain it. The list can go on and on.

          People have always been drawn to worshiping something or someone. Most do not understand that to worship any being outside of yourself is giving away your ability to do anything. Which is why most people want to do something to change things, but do not do anything. They are always waiting for someone else to stand up and do something, while they cheer from the sidelines.

          We are made up of cells which are made up of atoms. We are energy which never dies, even when our physical bodies die. This energy leaves a resonance on our planet. It is like radio air waves. You can’t hear them until you turn on the radio but they still exist in our world. Thus the reason for hauntings.

          You are right the universe is a representation of consciousness.

          BUT it is not from the consciousness of one divine being. It is instead a mixture of many divine beings.

          Can’t you see that with the different animals, plant life, people that inhabit the earth?

          So many different things all working together for the same goal: to give life. To create. To reproduce. To die out. To be reborn into another form.

          Limitless possibilities that you limit when you deny this and subscribe to a one god, one conscious theory.

          • sister soldier

            What I believe is God created all things “for in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him and by Him they do exist. Furthermore that He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

            I can accept that humans and animals have always existed (even though I don’t but for the purpose of this comment) I can accept that because that would suggest to me that God has always been here since He is the Creator so that argument goes nowhere for me except back to the Genesis of creation. Who is to say that He does not wipe out creation and start again every 5,000 or 10,000 years? We don’t know but we rely on FAITH which is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen. I BELIEVE in more than just me.

            The true reason that a person would reject the idea of a holy God or the truth of an infallible God is because they do not want to be held accountable for their sins. Atheists share a common saying, “We don’t need God to be good.” So we see evidence of agnostics and skeptics trying to lead more wholesome lives than lifelong professing Christians. Why? Because Christians believe that before we are saved we work towards the cross. After we are saved we work FROM the cross and are covered by grace while not using our cloaks of liberty for occasions to the flesh or willful sinning.

            So my response to your question is thus; “Of course you don’t need God to be good — we’ve never claimed that you do.” You see, it is not knowledge (epistemology) of the moral law that is a problem — after all, the Bible teaches that this law is written on every human heart. Rather the problem for the agnostics/atheists is the nature and source (ontology) of the moral law. What ruler is available to you to measure what is right from wrong. Did nothing create ethics and morals to? Who determines what is evil or good? And why are we three dimensional creatures if this life is all there is? Why do you have body, soul and spirit simply to exist in a temporal world? Or why reproduce? The something out of nothing should keep evolving why have we not evolved into something else by now?

            A. If everything ultimately must be explained by the laws of physics and chemistry, help me understand what a moral value is (does it have mass? Does it occupy space? Can it hold a charge? Or possess a wave-length)?

            B. Please tell me how matter, energy, time and chance result in a set of objective moral values? Did the big bang really spew forth love and hate (knowing emotions). You have to help me understand that because my Bible says that God is love.

            C. And how is it that an agnostic or atheist’s moral standards are more than a subjective opinions or personal preferences? What makes it truly binding or obligatory? I mean who are you answering to when you attempt to do what is right? The wind? The earth? The nothingness from whence you evolved?

            Our end will be the same (death and the grave) but the difference is that Jesus is the one who holds the keys to both so how will you get out when you go the way of all who has ever lived?

          • Carl

            “The true reason that a person would reject the idea of a holy God or the
            truth of an infallible God is because they do not want to be held
            accountable for their sins.”

            Not true at all. If anything people become christians to get out of being punished for the sins they committed to innocent people on the earth. You have to ask yourself how that is justice and fair.

            I would answer your questions but I am not an atheist and if you have read previous comments from me (which I am sure you have read a few) the fact that you would prefer to ask questions then actually take the time to research these yourself just means I would be wasting my breath answering them.

            I will leave you two things:

            1. As to the replication of our species. That is ingrained in level 1 of our triune brains. It is at the primal level and instinct alone. Those that choose to thwart this instinct and not procreate are using their 3rd level brain.

            2. You asked: why are we three dimensional creatures if this life is all there is?

            To that I ask what is there in the afterlife? The free will you supposedly are afforded on earth is gone.

            So why bother with this charade of human existence?

            Why not start from the point in revelations where jesus returns and evil is finally vanquished and a new heaven is created on earth?

            Why all the generations of blood and death and terrible things if god is omnipotent and knows what all outcomes will be?

            The only answer to that can be: 1. god is not omnipotent 2. god does not exist 3. what is written in the bible is a life (as with all religious texts). You decide which answer suits you.

          • sister soldier

            I know you were convicted by the statement because it was your first sentence. And yes the entire reason that Christ died on the cross was to make atonement for our sins and to become a mediator between man and God. There is no other way. The only way to the Father is through Jesus Christ and you can’t go around Him with your own “standards” of heaven. That was Satan’s achilles heel as well and it is rooted in pride (vain glory) of one’s own accomplishments or good will. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

            You may not be an Atheist but your lack of theology and disrespect for the Triune Godhead, the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost is blasphemous. I’m sure you know that if you deny Him on earth that He will deny you before the Father?

            Why bother with this charade? Because this is boot camp, training ground. The Apostle Paul said, ” For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.”

            It takes a mature person to accept there is a divine God who is a part of a trinity relationship and then allows Him to govern their lives by faith. Just as one would hold 3 candles and cause the flames to touch together they combine and become one flame but separate they are still as hot and still as bright and share all the same attributes of the other candle flames. Fire moving in and out of time. A refining fire, a purging fire, one that melts the gold and lifts the dirt of sin from this life. When God is able to see His reflection in you then this earthly suit is no longer necessary.

            It takes a brave man to pick a fight with God or His word such as you have. Because as Christ said, “he who is not with me is against me and he that gathereth not scatters abroad.”

          • Carl

            False. Please don’t lie there was no conviction in my reply. As I have said before if your hell exists then burn, baby, burn. I do not care.

          • JC Teecher

            My bible says there is only “one way” to the Father, which is to say eternal life, peace, and love.
            Through Jesus Christ, His Son.

            Staying morally good and responsibly accountable to one’s self, “without” accepting Jesus Christ as Saviour, is the same as being totally lost in sin.
            It does not get one a free pass into the dimension of Heaven.

          • sister soldier

            Are you agreeing with me? Or disputing the validity of my testimony? Because my Bible says the same thing that your Bible says that Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life.

          • JC Teecher

            Agreeing, sister, and just summing up for the short attention span reader.
            God Bless.

          • socalbeachdude

            The Jewish bible certainly does not say that at all, does it?

        • Marc

          Superb response sister.

      • James Staten

        It’s been a while… 1 Corinthians 15:1-4

      • James Staten

        Snottly, I would post the link, but it would be held or deleted? I doubt very seriously that you will, but sit down with a martini, and google Pastor R A Coombes giving his presentation on America the Babylon. I have been telling people for over twenty years that Judgment is coming. Everything is set on the table as we speak, the big show is about to happen. I know that you defend abortion rights, but let me give you one example. Since Roe vs Wade passed we in America have murdered 60-70 Million Babies? Right after it passed America went to the nations of the world, and started demanding if they want our Money, then they must allow abortions? I believe less than a handful rejected the offer? America has been responsible for over One Billion Murdered Babies world-wide. This is just one of the abominations against America…Judgment is Coming…Bottoms Up!!!!

        • Carl

          Exactly how many babies and children did god order slaughtered in the new testament James Stefan? I would counter that god has murdered far more than humans have murdered.

          Not to mention how christians complain about all the murdered babies, yet forget these people turn into adults whom many complain about because they are poor and on food stamps or some type of government welfare.

          Let’s start valuing the lives that are living on this earth. If that was done I can guarantee you that abortion would take care of itself.

          • Carl

            Sorry I meant OLD TESTAMENT NOT NEW.

          • James Staten

            Carl, Every time I point you in the right direction, you reject it? Believe me you wouldn’t understand if I tried to explain it to you. Have you read Isaiah 17 yet? A couple of weeks ago it was the Tomb of Jesus was unguarded…Carl, Carl, Carl

          • Carl

            Kiss off James Stefan. You are too brainwashed for me to even bother posting a logical reply.

          • James Staten

            Not sure who is James Stefan, but God Bless him?

      • mark

        THERE IS NO MADAME PRESIDENT HILLARY CLINTON EITHER. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

  • Reality

    Blame the one percent for draining the wealth from the other ninety-nine. No policy can fix this oligarchy.

    • socalbeachdude

      There was no “wealth” to drain from anyone. Most all of the so-called “wealth” of the 1% is due to VASTLY ELEVATED STOCK AND REAL ESTATE VALUATIONS.

    • mtntrek3

      Tend to agree. There are many things that play into the mess that we are in……. the top echelon are the star players imho.

    • Capitalist

      Pity upon me, I am only in the top 3%. That will change relatively soon. Why would you blame people such as Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, and Steve Jobs for something even they cannot control? Simply put, globalization is a force that has lifted billions from poverty.

  • George W Hill Jr

    Ok here is your choice … gradually reduce them Trump’s plan… or keep them where they are Bernie’s idea …collapse is a “mathematical certainty” … increase them and bring it on sooner ..so is true you can “print Currency” …you can not print “value” …doubt that …look at “zim-bob-oway”…100 Trillion note of “currency” I personally saw “billionaires” starve!

  • Joe soap

    Medicare are SS are not the same as food stamps and Medicaid and to classifiy them as welfare programs is disingenuous.
    I do agree that they should be phased out by allowing people to contribute their monthly with-holdings to their own pension, annuity IRA etc. and medical insurance.

    • JC Teecher

      I agree to some extent, and in the majority of situations with the majority of peoples this idea of doing away with SS retirement would work. However; by example of what is happening now at my brothers work place, about 25% of the employees do not have 401 k retirement programs, as it is all self funded through the company.
      The only company retirement plan contribution, is through their stock option purchase plan, whereby you buy 2 shares, and the company puts another share with that, into a company held account.

      The difference is, the employee has the option, at anytime, to request those shares in the form of certificates, and sell them on the open market or place them in a safe place.
      According to my brother’s gleaned information, at least 25% of the retirement age workforce, has already received and sold their stock in the company, and are now stuck in jobs they should be retiring from, because they cannot live and make their obligations solely on their SS Retirement benefits.

      Most likely, if not forced to pay into a retirement system, at least 25% maybe as high as 50% would not invest and keep the self funded retirement accounts going. Then; if they become disabled or are no longer able to work because of their age, they would become another liability on the healthcare system, and the overall system as they have nothing to pay with.
      In a perfect society, people would be responsible for their own selves and livelihoods.

      In this world, our societies are far from perfect, and in fact are regressing from what used to be normal.

    • socalbeachdude

      They are WELFARE PROGRAMS designed for the general welfare of the American people. You apparently conceive of the use of the term welfare too narrowly and far too removed from the actual meaning of the world. Yes, they are INSURANCE PROGRAM but they are not actuarily sound and are paying out vastly more in benefits and all of the money to fund them has ALREADY BEEN SPENT ON VAST TRILLIONS OF GOVERNMENT DEFICITS and all that is left is around $6 trillion of US Treasuries (federal government debt) in the Medicare and Social Security Trust Funds.

      • Joe soap

        Not welfare in the sense that all earners contribute to them whereas The other are pure government handouts.
        I agree that they have been looted by pols over years and they are now underfunded and unviable because of that.
        Demographics have also depleted them, too many people living longer than was anticipated.

  • Chat Persan

    So do you think SS/Medicare (FICA) was a “choice” employees got when the money was forced from their paychecks? Medicaid and Food Stamps are programs you have the “choice” to apply for or not, so I find lumping these dissimilar programs together a bit disingenuous. Yes, the federal government will owe you and I a Social Security check because we were forced into a program that we never got to vote for or against but no federal or state government owes you or I Medicaid or Food Stamps unless we choose to apply and get approved. Yes, too much money is thrown down this black hole of the Medicaid/Food Stamp program but I do want my money back from all the deductions taken from my paycheck. Don’t you?

    • sister soldier

      Entitlements were created by the government so they could create their very own slush fund. The entire concept for “entitlements” is to keep the sheeple quiet. If you want to keep your benefits you will keep your mouth closed. But they are the easiest funds to pilfer from and thusly they have been raided by our “too little oversight government.” Now that the pool they drew from is running empty and their jackpost of 350+ human ATM’s is running low on cash they want to cut and cut some more from those who are not likely to fight back.

      The tax receipts are short. That means the tax receipts coming into our government this June will be well short of the amount needed to continue operating. They want to ram a new budget through before Congress breaks for their summer recess. There is way too much tension on the economic line and something has to give. We either accept these draconian cuts and changes or we push back. The government will never be on the side of the people. They create problems for job security and to maintain their very lucrative salaries for simply discussing talking points. Those that are truly in need are ignored.

      • JC Teecher

        Prepare for the cursings or blessings, coming upon this nation as the final Jubilee year comes to a close in September.
        Individually, some will receive their Jubilee blessings, (not necessarily monetarily), but most will receive a healthy dose of cursings.

        • sister soldier

          I’m ready and I serve El Shaddai the God Who is more than enough. I don’t have lack I have FAITH.

          • JC Teecher

            I have never doubted that.

          • sister soldier

            On the contrary old friend. I think you have.

          • JC Teecher

            Not your sincerity, just your knee jerk condemnations, like when you so ever quickly called me a “false prophet”.
            If you still stand by that, then I’m not going to try and convince you, but will pray you see truth, and not pre-judge.

          • sister soldier

            Well, you are definitely “Rolling With the Flow” on the (pre-judgment) call. Because only an expert on the matter would be qualified to analyze someone else’s intentions before hand.

          • JC Teecher

            So why all the justification. You either did say it and stand by it or you are skipping around the facts in the case.
            GSOB did the same thing, when you started your rants, and he has never acknowledged his mistake or confirmed he still believes what he said.

            where do you stand, is pride in your way?
            God knows your heart, and He is the very one that led me to see how you were back then. Your way of dealing with your salvation and understanding of what makes you a Christian is not of any consequence to me, ss.

          • sister soldier

            Maybe if you had bothered to read your mail you would not be in this particular bitter crossing of the “faith”. And I stand on every word. Are we not judged by every idle word that we speak on Earth? My Bible says so – does yours? Or were your intentions and your testimony not necessarily ordered by God (back then) and I was the one who was forewarned? You see when it’s he said she said it’s circumstantial but whatever God’s Word states is the SWORD of truth. Maybe you were missing a piece of your body armor that a saint is always supposed to have on.

          • JC Teecher

            Nothing has changed.

          • sister soldier

            I’ll be the prejudge of that! =)

          • sister soldier

            And I don’t speak in rants.

          • SnodtBlossom

            there is no god

  • Richard Schnitzler

    While Medicaid, Food stamps, and CHIP are true freebies, Medicare and Social Security are funded by employers and people that work. Anyone with a legitimate job for the years continually paying into both from 1980 will never get back in entitlements or dollars what they and their employers put in. The reason these programs are potentially bankrupt is because the government, mostly Democratic administrations, have stolen the money to pay for the other true freebies, and garnish votes.

  • “V”

    President Trump is trying to fix this but the left don’t want their largest voter base being displaced. I recall a time in history where being on the dole was frowned upon, now it is encouraged and glorified. This Country has fallen a long, long way down.

  • LIZ THE SHIZ

    collecting some form of government handout [except SS and Medicare] is the most direct and surest way to keep the DNC voting roles flush with new voters

  • yams88

    Many people getting benefits and not working are those that can no longer work in first place. Be it disabilities from the abused work life they had, lack of affording proper medical care which lead to greater health problems, having been out of work force too long while taking care of kids, or no longer having the skills for the new job market, and then some. One way or the other, a large percentage of Americans no longer meet the standards that today’s employers ask for as well as cost more to employ. Meanwhile, they go and train someone for six months in another country to do the work Americans are too ‘unskilled’ for and pay them less due to decrease cost of living in those areas.

    This country relayed on everyone being on loans for so long that everything has hit a critical point, and now the rich will slowly make their way out of here while the getting is good. They drain you and then leave. Then they repeat the process on the next one ready to believe their lies of a better life.

    Sadly getting everything back seems very unlikely. Even if we had to learn to fend for ourselves, there is no way the current climate and condition of the planet will allow us to be self sufficient with this size of population. That is assuming our failing antibiotics doesn’t hit critical mass as well and infections become the new norm that wipes us out. One way or the other, we are screwed.

    There is a theory some have about what is called the ‘great filter’. That is the idea that the reason we don’t see intelligent life often on other planets is because such species will die off before they can make it off the planet. This in turn creates a great filter that keeps the less intelligent minds from ever leaving its confined space. I feel mankind has finally reached its filter point and that in some of our lifetimes, we may see if we have what it takes to make it. However, I wouldn’t count on it. We are far too self destructive for that.

  • Richard O. Mann

    No reduction. No going back to what once was. The US has gone too far down the toilet morally at this point in time. The run away train that the US is going to keep rolling down the tracks, picking up speed until it results in a totally catastrophic crash and burn. The US has run it’s race. And just like Europe, it has abandoned the God of the Bible, and He is now abandoning US. Expect to see more Muslim/Islamist attacks in Europe and here in the coming months. Enjoy what time you have left.

    • JC Teecher

      Pretty much all true, however; in God’s plan, everyone has a chance to remove themselves from the sewer hole of the worldly lusts.
      The key is, if and when they realize this, before the last days when Satan arrives, and throws out the big bait.
      The bible says the whole world will whore after him…and his lies.
      The key here is world. All those that love the world and it’s luxuries and traps, have not the love of the Father.
      Pre-trib rapture is of the world, because it sure as heck is not biblical.
      Antichrist will manifest this fly-away doctrine when he comes in as the bright and morning star.
      Where will all the super preachers and mega churches be when this message is directed straight at them?
      Will they see truth, or stay in the dark as they are now?

  • Richard O. Mann

    As for Trump draining the swamp, there is a saying that goes something like this. “It hard to remember that you went in the swamp to drain it, when you are up to your ass in gators.” Trump is up to his ass in gators. Democratic gators, liberal gators, MSM gators, and even some Republican gators. Add a few unknown gators to the mix and you can see that he has no chance at all of draining the swamp. The best he can hope for at his time, is to get out without getting too chewed up. And the best bet for the US is for DC to be nuked with Congress, all the special interest group reps, etc., being in town when it happens. Oh well. America. It was fun while it lasted.

  • SeanFahey

    I didn’t know social security, the system that is paid into by workers and paid out to retirees, was considered an entitlement. To many, like my grandparents, it was a social retirement plan. My grandparents worked their entire lives, they were not rich by any stretch of the imagination, but they worked and contributed. So when you say that them collecting on those 45+ years of adding into the program is the same as someone down on their luck getting foodstamps? It isn’t a fair comparison really.

    • Stuey

      I agree 100%. I can’t believe he included them in this article.

      • socalbeachdude

        You always have a very hard time dealing with the facts and figures, so that would be expected of you!

        • Stuey

          You can’t comprehend what others write so what else is to be expected from you. You are a genius in your own mind.

          • socalbeachdude

            Quite obviously, it is YOU who appears unable to comprehend rational logical thought as is quite apparent from your delirious comments.

        • Stuey

          My math skills will run circles around you.

          • socalbeachdude

            What “math skills” are you talking about?

          • socalbeachdude

            Isn’t it really very easy to cut federal spending by $1 trillion a year?

            1) Cut Social Security payments by 20% ($266 billion saved)

            2) Cut allowable Medicare charges by 50% ($425 billion saved)

            3) Eliminate food stamps entirely ($80 billion saved)

            4) Cut military expenditures by 30% ($240 billion saved)

            5) Increase Congressional salaries by 100% for mission accomplished!!!

            WASN’T THAT REALLY SIMPLE AND EASY TO CUT $1 TRILLION A YEAR?

          • Stuey

            Yeah, get your liberal democrat buddies to cut all that. It will NEVER EVER happen.

    • socalbeachdude

      Social Security was originally conceived in the 1930s to provide a $50 per month SUPPLEMENTAL STIPEND and never intended to be a “retirement plan” for beneficiaries.

  • Kent Harris

    Judges are enemy number one. They act in a capacity for which they are not allowed to under the U.S. Constitution. Every judge should be forced off a cliff and replaced with a new judge who will abide by his oath of office. I hate that branch of our government more than any other branch of our government.

    • socalbeachdude

      Where do you come up with that bogus nonsense?

  • DaveG99

    Mr Snyder’s blog conveniently leaves out the fact that virtually all Social Security and Medicare beneficiaries paid into these programs their entire working life. Many Immigrants work hard at low paying jobs that the complainers here wouldn’t touch. They are building houses that the complainers would otherwise find too expensive to buy, picking crops that would otherwise make food too expensive for them to eat.

    And the main thing that would baffle the FF’s is not income tax – but cars, planes and technology.

    Right wing hooey.. All of it.

    • socalbeachdude

      Yes, Social Security and Medicare are INSURANCE PROGRAMS paid into by beneficiaries but they are NOT ACTUARILY SOUND and the benefits being paid out are vastly more than most people ever paid into the system. Moreover, all of the funds in the Medicare and Social Security Trust Funds have been “invested” – as required by federal law – in US Treasuries which means they have ALREADY BEEN SPENT T)O FUND THE MASSIVE US GOVERNMENT OVERSPENDING AND THERE IS NOTHING LEFT AT ALL IN THE WAY OF ACTUAL CASH.

      • DaveG99

        We’ve known that for years. So providing tax relief to the ultra-wealthy further puts these programs in the hole as they are paid for not just out of FICA deductions.

        • socalbeachdude

          Yep.

  • sharonsj

    Completely misleading claim. 2/3 of the nation are not getting handouts. Social Security is not only for the elderly it’s for widows and children. SS disability is for the sick and injured. SNAP is for the poor. And you must provide plenty of documentation in order to qualify. Finally, for most people, the payments are barely enough to live on.

  • alan

    If there were jobs then most people would probably work or when benefits cuts come there is work to jump to. People who get stuck on welfare for too long become unemployable. Automation and sending production overseas is killing us. The few now that work are getting taxed to death. The whole system is a failure. I think the Illegal Aliens pretty much take the seasonable and hard labor and part time jobs. I think they are more for drug trade cover and distraction. I suspect sealing the boarder is pissing off people in the drug trade so its not going to happen.
    All hail the swamp!

  • Just wondering

    DID THE ECONOMY COLLAPSE YET?

    • sister soldier

      Not yet; grab some freeze dried peas, canned tuna and a flashlight. =)

  • GSOB

    Can you run an 8 minute mile?

  • Leif Erickson

    Under Obama, getting SS Disability was much easier than in the past. Yes, most are denied at first, but with patience and a decent lawyer, most of those get approved. Once approved, Medicaid and other government subsidies are soon to follow. Disability and food stamps can be more easily maintained by the taxpayers than the rising medical and hospital costs of Medicaid recipients under SSD.

    • socalbeachdude

      Where do you come up with those assertions?

  • alan2102

    “can we ever return to a culture of independence and self-sufficiency?”

    No, of course we can’t, nor should we want to.

    • JC Teecher

      We are never going to return to what America was even 50 years ago, but we “should” want to.
      Especially knowing what we have become.
      Now personally, I have come a long way from the person I was in the 70’s, and would change a few things, but those were “learning steps” that have helped make me a stronger Christian.

      Today, America is split into three distinct groups.
      There is the worldly thinking and worldly loving, leftist liberal media following crowd that encompasses the majority of the ideology that comes out of Follywood.
      Pro abortion, pro lgbtQ, and all that encompasses, and an almost socialist outlook for the future of America.

      Then there are those that still have a strong desire to hold American Christian values dear to their way of life, and strongly resist the socialistic and liberal mentality. Most of these folks are true American Patriots, and have a priority of putting America first.
      They are mostly tolerant of the left, other religions, and all sexual lifestyles, but abhor killing of innocents.

      Then there is about 25% of the adult population that doesn’t really give a sheet about either ideology, and just wants their creature comforts, and there relaxing lifestyle, and tries to block out all the left and right, and for the most part, politics/gov/education/religion in their lives.

      The division is mostly coming from the liberal left, as they preach tolerance and free speech…….as long as it isn’t counteractive to their ideology. Then they have no limits as to how far down the road to darkness and evil they will travel to shut down the rest of the population. They believe their ideology is the answer to all the worlds problem, when in fact, it is causing the worlds problems.

    • Eatie Gourmet

      We SHOULD want to! You would have us continue to foster a nation of dependents?
      There are SO many people here on welfare that literally Couldn’t even make it in 3rd world African/Asian countries. THOSE people in those conditions know how to hustle to make their living. Know why? There’s not a concept of a “social safety net” there. You either live or you die. It is up to you. They are stronger than us.

  • Eatie Gourmet

    What is needed are JOBS! Work — oh, it might be a pain in the A$$, and often is — but it benefits in self-respect, self-esteem and Human Dignity, even beyond the money. The idea, the feeling that You Earned it, YOU OWN IT, cannot be replaced by a handout.
    Such handouts that are not Hand Ups also breed resentment from those working people who get their pockets picked every paycheck to pay for the generational Lazy…
    The less one works, the less one Wants to work; happens all the time.

  • Dave Mende

    Read news written by the learning disabled.
    Medicare and Social Security are ‘paid in advance’ systems.
    We seniors have spent as much as 50 years paying into this system, for future benefit.
    Often doctors, lawyers, and Indian chiefs have stolen most or all of our money by retirement age. If needed SS and Medicare can provide a much needed end to slavery near the end of our lives.
    Thanks for caring. You schmuck.

    • socalbeachdude

      Huh?

  • Stuey

    While i believe Social Security is a scam, but including the people who receive it into the 236 million figure is misleading. You pay into it all your life. If you are lucky enough to life long enough you will get your money back. Medicare is health insurance funded through Social Security so you have paid into as well. You do a great disservice including the people who receive Social Security as the same as people who receive medicaid and SNAP.

    • socalbeachdude

      The problem with Social Security is that it is NOT ACTUARILY SOUND and most beneficiaries get back vastly more than they ever paid into the system.

      • Stuey

        So what part of me saying it is a scam that you don’t understand. Do you even read other people comments or just ramble on to watch yourself type. There are also plenty of people who pay into it that never draw a dime. But of course you missed the whole point of my original post but i am not going to rehash for you.

        • socalbeachdude

          Huh, dude? Are you really that LOST?

          • Stuey

            Come on man, you are getting weak with the feeble responses. You can’t do any better than this? You are slacking.

          • socalbeachdude

            You obviously have no comprehension as to how annuitized insurance systems work at all and nothing about them makes them in any way a “scam” at all.

  • Geez

    Have you ever tried to get government assistance of any kind? Try it sometime. I did and the paperwork was ridiculous. You’d think I was applying for some top security clearance. I can’t imagine the same procedures are for everyone. May be because I’m a white male. But, I saw mostly Hispanics and drug addicted dysfunctional people at the offices all complaining and blaming, taking no responsibility. I decided no way. I don’t want the gov. to know my business. God can make it possible for me to live and he did and does. I guess some that really need it get it, but for the most part fraud and illegals get it first.

  • Mark King

    When the average Joe is having to pay $150,000 for a university education, or $25,000 for healthcare insurance, you can’t expect them to be a supporter of capitalism.

    • socalbeachdude

      Why not?

  • Silver Savior

    I eventually want to jump on the safety net too. Probably when the universal income plan comes. Working I feel very vulnerable. People on the systems don’t have to deal with the bull I have to. Once they see you have earned income they treat you very bad. I want to have unearned income to be safe.

    • E.Beauregard

      So, contribute nothing and become dependent upon the state? Brilliant move. (eyeroll)

      • Silver Savior

        Yeah why not? There is more in benefits than working.

  • Silver Savior

    I actually think it’s great some people choose not to work. It allows them to spend the time doing what they love instead of being a slave to corporate America.

    • E.Beauregard

      You like subsidizing their pathetic, non-contributing lifestyle? Unbelievable.

      Those of us actually working and picking up the tab are less enthusiastic about that.

      • Silver Savior

        To me it don’t matter. I would rather have my taxes go to them than the military industrial complex.

  • Mr. Vinegaroon

    Social Security is hard-earned, nothing near a “handout.”

    • socalbeachdude

      Social Security is an INSURANCE PROGAM but it is NOT ACTUARILY SOUND and is paying out vastly more in benefits than people ever paid into the system.

      • Mr. Vinegaroon

        People PAY for SS benefits all their working lives. It is NOT an entitlement. IF the government is incapable of running the program effectively, that is another story entirely.

        • socalbeachdude

          All of the Social Security and Medicare Trust funds have been PLUNDERED over the past 40 years and all that is left is FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IOUs called US Treasuries which are debt of the federal government which must be paid for out of CURRENT FEDERAL TAX REVENUES.

          • Mr. Vinegaroon

            I’m not sure what you are trying to say. If you dislike something or many things the US government has done, I am with you all the way. I particularly resent the way any Cuban can move here and even though the person has never worked here a day in his/her life, can go right on social security. I agree the program is flawed, but most people, like me, noticed a deduction from each and every paycheck they ever earned in their lives to pay for their SS at a certain age.

            Personally I don’t care how it is paid as long as I get the benefits I worked hard for. Again, I agree that the US government is irresponsible and a threat to people everywhere.

          • socalbeachdude

            Nobody can collect any Social Security benefits unless they have PAID INTO SOCIAL SECURITY FOR AT LEAST 40 QUARTERS (10 YEARS) or in certain cases are a surviving spouse or dependent under 18 of a person who did that.

          • Mr. Vinegaroon

            Not true. Any Cuban immigrant of a certain age, even though they have never spent a single day in the US can collect SS upon moving here. It is a special program authorized by Congress. Look it up.

          • socalbeachdude

            You are correct as to Cubans and that is definitely one “loophole” which should be totally closed.

            50 Years of Special Treatment for Cubans

            Today marks the 50th anniversary of the Cuban Adjustment Act, a Cold War-era law that provides immigration benefits to Cuban migrants not offered to citizens of any other country.

            Specifically, the Cuban Adjustment Act (CAA) allows Cuban citizens or nationals who reach the United States, regardless of whether they have done so legally or illegally, to remain and adjust to permanent resident status after one year. According to the “wet foot/dry foot” policy, which was adopted as part of a 1995 revision of the CAA, all Cubans intercepted at sea en route to the U.S. are repatriated (“wet feet”), while those who step on American soil (“dry feet”) are eligible for preferential treatment. In addition, under the Refugee Education Assistance Act, Cubans are the only immigrant group with immediate access to federal benefits because they are presumed to be refugees.

            Several months ago, a group of Latin American foreign ministers sent a letter to Secretary of State John Kerry urging the United States to end special immigration policies for Cubans. The letter was a joint initiative by nine Latin American countries including Colombia, Costa Rica, Ecuador, El Salvador, Guatemala, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, and Peru.

            The foreign ministers expressed concern about the negative effects of U.S. immigration policies across the region. “The 1966 U.S. Public Law 89-732, known as the ‘Cuban Adjustment Act’, and the policy commonly known as ‘wet foot/dry foot’ have encouraged a disorderly, irregular and unsafe flow of Cubans who, risking their lives, pass through our countries in order to reach the U.S.,” the letter reads. They go on to add that these policies have created a serious humanitarian crisis for Cuban nationals seeking to reach the United States. “These people, often facing situations of extreme vulnerability, fall victim to mafias dedicated to people trafficking, sexual exploitation and collective assaults. This situation has generated a migratory crisis that is affecting our countries.”

            The foreign ministers’ concerns are not unfounded. As relations between the United States and Cuba continue to normalize, a feared end to the special immigration status and generous benefits bestowed on Cubans is driving a new wave of illegal Cuban migration. According to U.S. Customs and Border Protection statistics compiled by the Pew Research Center, 43,159 Cubans entered the United States in Fiscal Year 2015, an amount nearly double that of the previous year. The influx shows no signs of slowing, as 46,635 Cubans entered the country in the first ten months of Fiscal Year 2016 – already surpassing full Fiscal Year 2015’s total.

            http://immigrationreform.com/2016/11/02/50-years-of-special-treatment-for-cubans/

      • Chat Persan

        I absolutely want more than I put into the system. By the time I retire the government will have had my money for 47+ years!

        Actuarily sound? No. My mother received a check based on my father’s work record that was much larger than I will receive and I contributed 10x the amount from my paycheck and my FRA is now 66 1/2. When the government was flush with Baby Boomer money the SS recipients reaped the benefits along with deadbeats, fraudsters, beach bums and drug addicts.

        During my father’s time there was no 401K, rarely a pension worth 2 cents and the most he ever made was $20,000 at the end of his career. But he received full health insurance coverage from his employer for both himself and my mother. My mother would have lived in dire poverty with a much smaller SS check so if my work contributions helped her live better, I’m glad of it but the rest who were too lazy to get out of bed, very very angry.

  • socalbeachdude

    The actual M2 money supply in the US consisting of checking and savings accounts in US banks is less than $14 trillion as confirmed by the Federal Reserve St. Louis Branch latest reports which are at:

    M2 Money Stock – FRED

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2/

    Yet we have stock markets “valued” with market capitalization in the US of more than $30 trillion, bond markets “valued” at more than $40 trillion, and real estate markets “valued” at around $20 trillion for a total of more than $90 trillion just for those assets alone, leaving aside the other assets in the US. Can anyone even begin to reconcile that enormous difference between “real money” and market valuations?

  • socalbeachdude

    And just what federal government spending do you propose cutting and by how much in each category?

    Only 20% of the US government annual spending is for total military spending with 16% for actual military spending and 4% for Veterans Benefits.

    The biggest part of the spending is SOCIAL PROGRAMS including the Social Security and Medicare insurance programs which are NOT ACTUARILY SOUND and which are paying out vastly more than they have taken in with payroll taxes.

    A summary of the fiscal 2015 US federal government expenditures totaling nearly $4 trillion is as follows:

    WELFARE & MEDICAL (63%)
    33% Social Security, Unemployment, Labor
    27% Medicare & Health
    ..3% Housing & Community

    MILITARY (20%)
    16% Military
    ..4% Veterans Benefits

    INTEREST ON DEBT (6%)
    ..6% Interest on Debt

    FOOD & TRANSPORTATION (6%)
    ..3% Food & Agriculture
    ..3% Transportation

    EDUCATION & SCIENCE (3%)
    ..2% Education
    ..1% Science

    ENERGY, ENVIRONMENT, & INTERNATIONAL (2%)
    ..1% International Affair
    ..1% Energy & Environment

    OTHER EXPENSES (1%)
    ..1% Government Expenses (general)

    The complete breakdown of Fiscal 2015 expenditures is extensively detailed including actual numbers as well as pie-charts with various percentage breakdowns as to discretionary and non-discretionary expenditures at:

    https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/spending/

    Unless you cut at least $1 trillion of that federal government spending, the US government will continue running up deficits and not have balanced budget and even if it does cut $1 trillion of spending there would be no room at all to lower federal taxes.

  • socalbeachdude

    And just where do you think any money would come from to pay those kinds of wages? Really? Seriously?

    • mtntrek3

      Small and even some larger businesses wouldn’t be realistically able to afford it. The largest of businesses could, but the top management/ownership would have to deal w/less income (corporate greed) . Instead of a 1.5 million $$ yacht, they might have to settle on a crummy 300 K $$ one. : ( . Also, w/higher wages across the board…. more people would have the income to spend more , strengthening the economy. Yeah, 16+/hr. for min. wage is actually rather high. I can see bringing it up around 10-12/hr. though….. depending upon the cost of living in any given area.

      • Rich Capitalist

        Do you know what is so very amusing about your post? The fact that you believe government mandates can solve issues makes me laugh.

        • mtntrek3

          Governmental intervention…. sigh. Some things are beneficial about it, while by and large it’s mostly a problem. Capitalism is the best way, until morals/ethics are disregarded. Then, it will eventually become the rich and the poor. In a “perfect world”, regulations wouldn’t be necessary; however….. . I’ll say it again; big banks, big government and big corporations are the unholy trinity imho.

  • Anthony W

    The people on medicare are the same people on social security. The two programs go together. The worst part is that in order to get social security you must sign up for medicare which means that your employer provided health care is void and unenforceable, meaning, you can’t have both medicare and private insurance.

    • socalbeachdude

      There are MEDICARE SUPPLEMENT PLANS standardized by the federal government but offered through private insurers that must be purchased by Medicare beneficiaries if they want more coverage for other than Part A and most Part B medical expenses. Part C also has Part C coverages available through providers such as SCAN.

  • socalbeachdude

    China’s downgrade could lead to a mountain of debt

    The downgrade of China’s debt by Moody’s Investors Service may push Chinese companies to borrow even more money from domestic banks as overseas debt becomes more expensive, increasing risks for the nation’s finance industry.

    With growing indebtedness at home, compounded by a slowing economy, there’s a risk of a “negative feedback loop,” said Khoon Goh, head of Asia research for Australia & New Zealand Banking Group who sees state-owned enterprises and property developers feeling the biggest impact. The downgrade will particularly hurt airlines and shipping companies, said Corrine Png, chief executive officer of Crucial Perspective in Singapore.

    Mainland firms “will need to go back to the Chinese banks in order to get loans,” ANZ’s Goh said. “That means that Chinese banks will grow more exposed to the corporate sector.”

    Since the start of the global financial crisis, Chinese companies have borrowed to keep the economy growing, pushing corporate debt to 156 percent of gross domestic product, from 100 percent in 2008, according to Bloomberg Intelligence. Most of that debt is held by state-owned enterprises, putting the government on the hook in case of defaults.

    Citing a worsening debt outlook, Moody’s lowered China’s rating to A1 from Aa3 on Wednesday, the same level as Japan and the Czech Republic. “The economy is dependent on policy stimulus and with that comes higher leverage,” Marie Diron, associate managing director, Moody’s Sovereign Risk Group, said on Bloomberg Television after the announcement. “Corporate debt is really the big part.”

    More bad news for China may be on its way from rival agency S&P Global Ratings, which in January maintained a negative outlook for the country and warned of a possible downgrade in the coming months. In response to a request for a comment, S&P referred to its January statement on the negative outlook.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-24/china-downgrade-may-build-debt-mountain-as-firms-borrow-at-home?cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_content=business&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

    • ollie173

      FUNNY HOW THIS US BASED RATING COMPANY DOES NOT DOWNGRADE THE TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF US DEBT…LOL…WHAT A FARCE!

  • Dan Wingert

    People paid into Social Security when they were working so they are now just getting their money back.

    • socalbeachdude

      No, they are getting VASTLY MORE IN BENEFITS than they ever paid into Social Security.

  • Kevin Kazakevich

    There is a very real problem with social security retirement benefits intentionally not paying out actual cost of living. Benefits would have to be increased by at least 300%. This is because the trend now is that your employer pays nothing for retirement. So instead of the current 11000 or 12000 per year it should be 36000 per year since the cost of health is higher beyond age 50 and actually increases.

    • socalbeachdude

      Laughably false. The only problem with Social Security is that it is PAYING OUT BENEFITS VASTLY HIGHER THAN ANYONE EVER PAID INTO THE SS SYSTEM. There is practically NO INFLATION AT ALL in the USA and hasn’t been for many years.

  • laura ann

    Agree w/ Jeri and William. Way too many scum bums/ breeders on the dole. SS recipients paid in, that money is paid back after retirement so it is not a handout.

  • Capitalist

    That last part is a good idea. Indeed, it should not be forced; but, rather incentivized by reducing SS benefits to something one could not live on–provided they have no catastrophic maladies, mental illnesses, etc.

  • simeau

    social security and medicare are not handouts. They are paid by the participants. AND, if you are 65+, you have no choice but to have medicare. generally the same people have both, so even if they were handouts, the number is an exaggeration. At any rate, the safety net programs are necessary because the system creates wealth imbalance via inflation

    • socalbeachdude

      Nobody is forced to sign up for Medicare at all and you have to SIGN UP FOR IT IF YOU WANT IT.

  • socalbeachdude

    Anyone who tries that kind of nonsense will end up very quickly in the federal hoosegow.

  • ollie173

    LOL…hilarious why this article does not mention one word about the trillion of dollars of CORPORATE WELFARE programs and TAX LOOPHOLES FOR THE RICH! SMH!!!!!

  • PaxMentis

    Just to point out…1. In order to enroll in Medicare, a person must be receiving Social Security payments, so the 58 million listed there are also the 60 million listed for SS. 2. Social Security and Medicare are insurance programs that are paid for by the people who later receive them. 3. SS and Medicare were designed to have their own trusts in which the money deducted from wages went and was invested. Unfortunately, the Johnson Administration in the 1960s “borrowed” the trust contents to support the “Ear on Poverty” and every administration since has followed suit until they gave up the charade and changed the procedure so that those “premium” payments go directly to the general funds and benefits are paid from there. In short, SS payments by the government represent the repayment of those loans.

  • seewill

    Since when is social security or Medicaid an entitlement program. I’ve worked all my life to pay into it and you tax me on it. This article can kiss my ass!!!

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