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The Way Congress Is Handling Health Care Shows Why They Only Have A 17 Percent Approval Rating

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The Senate health care bill was unveiled on Thursday, and it appears to be dead on arrival.  At least four conservative senators say that they can’t vote for the current version because it doesn’t go far enough, while several moderate Republicans are expressing concerns that it goes too far in repealing popular Obamacare provisions.  You can read the full text of the bill here.  Since Democrats are going to be united in voting against any bill that the Republicans put forward, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell can only lose two Republican votes if he wants something to pass.  I don’t know how that is going to be possible, and so in the end we may be stuck with Obamacare for the foreseeable future and that would be a total disaster.

It is astounding to me that Republicans don’t want to pass the exact same clean Obamacare repeal bill that they got to Obama’s desk in 2016.  If they got that same bill to Trump’s desk, he would sign it.  Instead of trying to do everything at once, just repeal Obamacare and then start working on various pieces of the health care system one at a time.

According to Real Clear Politics, Congress currently has an average approval rating of just 17.6 percent.  It is an institution that has failed the American people over and over again, and we are never going to move things in a positive direction in this country until we do something to clean up that cesspool of filth and corruption.

If we truly want to fix health care in this country, we need to rebuild the entire system from the ground up based on free market principles.  But of course the bill that was just unveiled in the Senate simply tries to patch up the system we already have, and that ultimately won’t work…

The bill is very similar to the version of the House bill that passed last month but with some key changes. The text released Thursday showed the Senate legislation would still make major changes to the nation’s health care system, repealing Obamacare’s individual mandate, drastically cutting back federal support of Medicaid, eliminating Obamacare’s taxes on the wealthy, insurers and others. The Senate plan however would keep Obamacare’s subsidies to help people pay for individual coverage.

One thing that is good about the Senate bill is that it would eliminate Medicaid reimbursements for Planned Parenthood for 12 months, but of course this is something that would need to be made permanent as soon as possible.

A more detailed list of major changes that the Senate bill makes was posted on Zero Hedge

  • Gives subsidies illegal immigrants if they are working in the United States
  • Subsidies based on 350% Federal Poverty Level, not 400%.
  • Gets rid of business and consumer mandates with no penalty
  • Qualified plans don’t need to provide abortion coverage unless it’s to save the life of the mother
  • Each state gets 15-10 Billion for uninsurables
  • Cadillac tax is gone
  • OTC med tax is gone
  • HSA penalty tax is 10%
  • Prescription tax is gone
  • Medical device tax is gone
  • Business owners can deduct part d expense again
  • Deductible medical expenses are back to 7.5% instead of 10% AGI
  • Tanning tax is gone (ironic)
  • Net investment tax is gone
  • HSA deductibility will be adjusted every year for COLA
  • Both spouses can now make catch-up contributions to a family HSA
  • 60 day limitation to setting up an HSA account when first getting the plan for purposes of a current claim
  • No coverage for abortion clinics
  • Repeal of cost-sharing subsidy
  • MLR set by states
  • Grants for states battling opiod addiction (like mine)
  • CHIP is reauthorized
  • $5,000 app fee to create small business association health pool
  • Psychiatric coverage is limited to institutionalized individuals only, and for stays up to 30 days but not to exceed 90 days
  • The Senate draft health-care bill doesn’t currently include a provision penalizing people who don’t maintain continuous coverage

Overall, the Senate bill would be a bit of an improvement over Obamacare.

But a slight improvement over a major disaster is still a disaster.

Shortly after the bill was unveiled, four conservative senators announced that they cannot vote for the bill the way that it stands now…

However, four conservative Republican senators —Rand Paul of Kentucky, Ted Cruz of Texas, Ron Johnson of Wisconsin and Mike Lee of Utah— said they “are not ready to vote for this bill” because it does not go far enough in repealing Obamacare. Separately, moderate GOP Sen. Dean Heller of Nevada said he has “serious concerns” about the bill’s impact on Medicaid patients.

“Currently, for a variety of reasons, we are not ready to vote for this bill, but we are open to negotiation and obtaining more information before it is brought to the floor,” Paul, Cruz, Johnson and Lee said in a joint statement. “There are provisions in this draft that represent an improvement to our current health care system, but it does not appear this draft as written will accomplish the most important promise that we made to Americans: to repeal Obamacare and lower their health care costs.”

On the other end of the spectrum, a couple of RINO (Republican in name only) senators are expected to object to the bill because it would reduce funding for Planned Parenthood

The Senate bill would cut Medicaid funds from organizations that provide abortions for one year. It does not mention Planned Parenthood by name, but the legislation is clearly targeting the organization, which Republican leaders have promised to defund.

Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, and Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, have both expressed concerns about any legislation that defunds Planned Parenthood. Murkowski said Thursday she was still reviewing the bill’s provisions.

President Trump says that the Senate bill is not a finished product and that it is open for negotiation.

But I don’t see how in the world anyone is going to be able to craft something that will be acceptable to at least 50 Republicans in the Senate.

Unfortunately, even if the Republicans pass a health care bill somehow it will not fix the giant mess that our system has become.

One step in the right direction would be to legalize the kind of national buying groups that Rand Paul has proposed

Imagine if the tens of millions of people who belong to Credit Unions, or organizations like the NRA or ACLU, could negotiate as a group for health insurance and drug prices!  Imagine the insurance executives and drug companies coming on bended knee to negotiate for the business of tens of millions of people!

I have proposed legalizing nationwide Association Health Plans.  My Senate Bill 222 does just that.  I have advised the President to act through his Secretary of Labor to review existing law and make it explicitly known that national associations can negotiate as one to bring down insurance prices.

And I would also like to see an expansion of direct primary care and other models that bypass the health insurance companies entirely.

The health insurance companies collectively make a profit of 15 billion dollars a year, and they are a big part of what is wrong with our current system.

There is so much that needs to be done to fix things, and both parties are failing the American people.

So let’s hope that we can remove a lot of these incumbents in 2018, because we definitely need some fresh thinking in Washington.

 
  • SoCalBeachDude

    The ACA and TrumpCare variant are NOT INSURANCE AT ALL but rather MEDDLING IN MEDICAL EXPENSE INSURANCE while VIOLATING ALL OF THE BASIC PRINCIPLES OF INSURANCE INCLUDING:

    Risk of loss versus guaranteed losses

    Actuarial soundness based on morbidity tables

    Sound underwriting including excluding pre-existing conditions

    Proper pricing of premiums relative to risk

    Obviously, medical expense insurance CANNOT REMAIN SOLVENT with the ACA or the TrumpCare variant and will have no choice BUT TO WITHDRAW FROM THE MARKET and CANCEL ANY AND ALL COVERAGE FOR MEDICAL EXPENSES

  • SoCalBeachDude

    There are about 21 different lines of insurance in the 1) Property & Casualty, and 2) Life & Disability classifications. What is true for most all lines of insurance is that RISK IS DISTRIBUTED AMONG MANY FOR LOSSES THAT OCCUR TO THE FEW which is why premiums are generally very low for most insurance coverages.

    However, in the area of MEDICAL EXPENSE INSURANCE which is part of the Life & Disability classification, that really principle really isn’t true as NEARLY EVERYBODY SUBMITS CLAIMS ON THEIR POLICIES and towards the end of their life frequently run up CATASTROPHIC EXPENSES.

    That makes medical expense insurance more like a COST SHIFTING MECHANISM rather than true insurance.

  • SoCalBeachDude

    If I were Donald Trump, I’d start by addressing the core problems in the medical industry which are massive and egregious price gouging by the hospital and pharmaceutical industries and apply apply maximums they can charge for their services limited to about 20% of what they are currently charging for hospital and pharmaceutical products. That is the core as to why medical expenses are what they are in the US and why they are vastly higher than they are in other countries.

    It is not the doctors who are overcharging, and many doctors are being driven out of business by the absurd medical malpractice premiums they are forced to pay which is now nearly as much as many even make on an annual basis. I would eliminate medical malpractice lawsuits entirely and instead create a 3 strikes you’re out approach to any issues of medical practice for doctors so they wouldn’t be allowed to practice after 3 egregious malpractice situations.

    I would also push for medical schools to educate about 3 times as many doctors as are presently being educated in the US to make medical services much more available around the country. There are currently (and that has been the case for 40 years) 3 times as many students in law schools in the US as there are in medical schools in the US. The US government should choose to educate doctors at no charge for tuition in exchange for 10 years of part time community charity service at no charge to patients.

    There are many intelligent and innovative ways to deal with the issues of costs in the system.

    As to pharmaceuticals I would get rid of Medicare Part D and instead institute the VA methods for limiting drug costs which lower the costs to patients by 93% so they only pay 7% of the costs being charged in the market for pharmaceuticals who are the most egregious price gougers of anyone in the entire medical industry.

    • Liberty First

      “I would also push for medical schools to educate about 3 times as many doctors as are presently being educated in the US to make medical services much more available around the country. ”

      1,000 upvotes on this. However, do not assume the physicians are not in on the scam. With a grandfather who was a pioneering doctor, I held them high for decades. However, especially after working with a medical board in a big southern state, the reality has hit home that our doctors today are no longer walking impersonations of Marcus Welby. They work the system and they work it HARD. Most would hate to have a true marketplace within which to operate. Just saying. Good ones and bad ones exist.

      • JC Teecher

        I say a big hey yes to that.
        My previous, notice i did say previous, Dr. was a condescending c**T if there ever was one. she had a list of capital letters after her name and what they all spelled to me, was something I can’t repeat on here.

        she was the most unqualified Dr. I ever had the displeasure of having make a prognosis on me.

        In fact, because of her absentmindedness, and high and mighty attitude she caused me undue pain and misery with changes to my medications on a regular basis, and then would not enter the changes in to the records.

        When she asked me why I was taking certain amounts of this and that, I said because your office called and said you wanted me to change to this amount. Because she had not entered the changes, she could not remember what she did, and called me a liar.
        I gave her some choice words and she jumped up and said she had to go up front for a sec and would be right back to print out my paperwork as we were finished with the update.
        The lying bee-autch went across the hall, and was seeing another patient and made me wait 20 mintues more. She forgot to close the computer, and on my records her last entry was this, ” the patient has regularly changed medication amounts and scheduled intakes, without contacting me beforehand”.
        I waited on her to print out the paperwork to take to the check out lady, and in my mind I said kiss ole rosey bee-autch, for you will never lay those lying hands, and hopefully, lying eyes on me ever again.

        My new doctor had me improved in less than six months, where as the so-called specialist could not, or would not, do in 2 years.

        • SnodtBlossom

          Most psych patients don’t like their doctors.

          • JC Teecher

            OK fartblossom, you have had a little fun while I checked in to see your wicked rants, but enough is enough, so you are permanently back in your little box, where good little fartblossom dummies belong.
            Good riddance.

          • SnodtBlossom

            it’s snodt,.. not fart

          • JC Teecher

            smells like farts from here.

          • SnodtBlossom

            I only wish my farts were that effective

          • LIZ THE SHIZ

            well, that make two of you !

          • SnodtBlossom

            there is only one SnodtBlossom you naziSpawn

          • GSOB

            The walking dead hate God so much they’d rather assume He doesn’t exist.

            They want to stay dead and separated from Him… alienated in their minds, they have no hope or God in their brief world.

            Do you understand the words coming out of my fingers?

          • SnodtBlossom

            there is no god
            words coming out of your fingers.. you do too many drugs

          • GSOB

            Nope. But the walking dead hate God so much they’d rather assume He doesn’t exist.

          • GoinSheep

            You can’t hate something that doesn’t exist

          • GSOB

            So, your mind reveals that you are a godless thinker and alcoholic drinker.

          • GoinSheep

            no, lol.. I’m just in touch with the real world.. unlike you

          • GSOB

            You are in touch with your world.

          • CASTIEL

            Go eat some grass……

      • James

        Not a good idea if you don’t open up residency spots by expanding CMS funding.
        Residencies derive the majority of their funding from the CMS and residencies are required for medical practice in every state. Simply opening up medical spots is not good enough.

        • Liberty First

          You are just stone stupid, lol.

          • James

            Working for a state medical board presumably in Florida, Texas, or North Carolina, surely you know for anyone to be a doctor, they need a residency along with passing USMLE.

            Given that medical residencies are already at capacity and there are medical students that don’t get residencies, opening more medical school seats would not solve the problem of the lack of doctors.

            However, given that the large majority of residencies are funded through CMS, which the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act expanded funding for, repealing the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, would decrease the amount of residencies and lead to an exacerbated dearth of doctors.

            Not hard to understand.

          • Liberty First

            Know nothing of those states, but your reasoning is absurd. Look at the stats! You are lying.

          • James

            Eligibility Checklist Physician Licensure
            Medical Education (Clerkships) Performed in the United States
            Performed while enrolled as a student at an LCME or AOA accredited medical school, or Performed in a hospital or teaching institution with an ACGME or AOA approved residency program in the same specialty or subspecialty as the clerkship, or Specialty board certification by an ABMS or BOS board
            – Texas Medical Board
            http://www.tmb.state.tx.us/page/full-medical-license

            Requirements for Licensure
            Be a graduate of an Allopathic U.S. Medical School recognized and approved by the U.S. Office
            of Education and completed at least one year of approved residency training
            – Florida Board of Medicine
            http://flboardofmedicine.gov/apps/medical-doctor-app.pdf

            A physician must meet ALL FOUR of the requirements outlined below to apply. Active in clinical practice providing patient care for an average of 20 hours or more per week for the last two years
            – North Carolina Medical Board
            https://www.ncmedboard.org/licensure/licensing/physicians/full-application

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Of what relevance is any of that nonsense?

          • James

            Stats
            Total Residency Spots: 30,750
            Number of applications: 35,476

            http://www.nrmp.org/press-release-results-of-2016-nrmp-main-residency-match-largest-on-record-as-match-continues-to-grow/

            More medical spots would only increase the number of apps without increasing the total residency spots.

          • Liberty First

            The Association of American Medical Colleges projects that by 2025, the U.S. will face a shortage of up to 90,000 doctors, and a dearth of specialists will account for most of the shortage.

          • James

            Again, opening up medical spots without opening residency spots would not help.
            You never suggested opening residency spots.

          • James

            Would you tell me what part of my reasoning is absurd?

          • Stuey

            I see you are getting a dose of drugheaddude here. And your question is very good, what is absurd. He will not actually debate you but just insult with calling you names or saying something is utterly false but never prove it is utterly false. I read through this entire thread and neither him or Liberty First ever proved your statement or logic wrong. I don’t know anything about the topic but what you are saying makes sense.

          • James

            Thanks.

          • James

            What large southern state did you work for?
            Virginia? Georgia? Tennessee?

          • SoCalBeachDude

            If you’re that dumb, you should be fired.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Nope. Not true.

        • SoCalBeachDude

          Absolutely false.

      • James

        If you repeal Obamacare, you remove a large majority of CMS funding and therefore, you reduce future doctor flow.GENIUS.

        • SoCalBeachDude

          False.

          • Guest

            UTTERLY LAUGHABLY TRUE

    • Bernie Bellew

      As with any system that has a large financial backbone, it’s hard to break. As long as the lobbying money flows into the hallowed halls of government, there will be little change if any. The original Obamacare bill was authored by the insurance lobby. The main lobbyist was a revolving door staffer to Senator Max Baucus by the name of Elizabeth Fowler.

      • SoCalBeachDude

        The big change that is already occurring is that many and soon most all medical expense insurance companies will entirely shut down offering coverages and withdraw from the market and people will find THERE IS NO MEDICAL EXPENSE INSURANCE AVAILABLE AT ANY PRICE FROM ANYONE.

        • Bernie Bellew

          I agree.

      • SoCalBeachDude

        No, the original ObamaScare bill was NOT AUTHORED BY THE INSURANCE LOBBY BUT RATHER UTTERLY ABHORRED BY THE ENTIRE INSURANCE INDUSTRY IN THE MEDICAL EXPENSE ARENA. It was authored and pushed by the HOSPITAL AND PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRIES against the extreme protests of the medical expense insurance industry.

    • Alcoholic Prepper

      Great post

      • GSOB

        Finish your drink….

        • GoinSheep

          A 1000 is not enough

    • GSOB

      You are a dreamer boy.

      Presidents don’t have that kind of power.

      You’d never come close to being POTUS and
      government should not be mandating health insurance…
      PERIOD

      • SnodtBlossom

        You are a nut boy.. I mean.. job

    • tacoma

      SoCal push for price control !
      Don’t you believe in the magic of capitalism and free market? Where everybody charges the maximum the market will bare?
      Here the government try to regular medical services and drugs in the most complicated manner yet want the industry to be market based. The contradiction is why this thing is a monster.
      I am for governments – federal and states, simply get out of the entire medical industry – products and services. Out out out !!!
      Then they can spent their time screw up other things. I am still waiting for war on Russia or North Korea to start and I am getting restless with the politicians not doing enough to start it.

      • SoCalBeachDude

        Capitalism isn’t the issue at all when it comes to highly regulated markets such as insurance. What needs to be regulated STRINGENTLY are hospitals and pharmaceuticals which have practically NO REGULATIONS AT ALL when it comes to pricing matters and they are engaging in EGREGIOUS PRICE GOUGING which is precisely what is causing all of the problems in the medical arena in the USA.

    • none

      I think they got to the Republicans.
      Blackmailed with FBI Files. Hillary can push around the head of the FBI.
      This might have something to do with the fed raising the interest rates, threatening to cause a depression if he changes the country.
      As to increasing doctors? This was explined by Milon Freidman back in 1974.
      It was the way to cure the medical problems.

      • SoCalBeachDude

        Hellery is on her way to the federal hoosegow.

    • infamouscrimes

      It’s simpler than that. End all subsidies to medical, pharma, and insurance companies. End employer mandated health insurance. Let there be no middlemen between a patient and a care provider, as it used to be, as is should be.

      • SoCalBeachDude

        And just how do you propose doing that without totally collapsing the entire medical services delivery system in the USA?

        • infamouscrimes

          Let them compete amongst themselves for every customer dollar. Those who provide the best service for the cheapest price will do just fine.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            No medical expense insurance company has any interest whatsoever in “competing” for GUARANTEED LOSSES which is exactly what ObamaScare or the proposed substitute creates by prohibiting sound underwriting, and all insurance companies are state regulated by state insurance companies with the primary mandate being SOLVENCY.

            Talk of “free markets” is nothing but vaporous vacuous rhetoric in regards to insurance matters.

            Insurance has ALWAYS been a HIGHLY REGULATED BUSINESS to ensure SOLVENCY of insurance companies throughout the 21 or so classes of insurance, and this has always been done in the USA by state insurance commissioners based on the core principles of RISK OF LOSS and sound and proper underwriting to at all times maintaining adequate reserves to cover anticipated losses based on actuarial statistics in the industry which are based on the law of large numbers.

            The core principles of insurance are based on the RISK OF LOSS and the LAW OF LARGE NUMBERS in order to develop actuarily sound premiums that are affordable while maintaining solvency (and hopefully profitability) for the insurance companies that offer coverages. In order for those principles to be achieved there MUST BE SOUND UNDERWRITING AND EXCLUSION OF GUARANTEED AND CATASTROPHIC LOSSES or else insurance premiums would not be affordable and insurance companies would not be able to MAINTAIN SOLVENCY as they are required to do by all state laws which regulate all classes of insurance.

            The ACA violates the core principles of insurance which would result in extreme ADVERSE RISK SELECTION where those with guaranteed losses flock to obtain coverages which would very rapidly render all medical expense insurers INSOLVENT.

            The ACA is really just a COST SHIFTING MECHANISM from those with losses to a third party. If that third party were the US government, then that would be a different story. Unlike the federal government, insurance companies are NOT A BOTTOMLESS PIT OF LOSSES and cannot be for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is that they are not allowed to be by state laws regulating insurance companies which require SOLVENCY at all times.

            This Atrocious Care Act nonsense is the biggest boondoggle in US government history and will not survive for a huge variety of reasons.

            There is no way that the ACA can remain. The Achilles heal is the the MASSIVE LOSSES IMPOSED ON MEDICAL EXPENSE INSURERS who cannot and will not continue to offer medical expense coverages. I think that was the intent in the first place in order to force a “single payer system” and drive the medical expense insurers totally out of business. The only other explanation would be TOTAL IGNORANCE OF INSURANCE PRINCIPLES by those who wrote the legislation. Either way, the result of NO MEDICAL INSURANCE AVAILABLE will rapidly be the same.

            Insurance companies that offer medical expenses coverages are the BIGGEST LOSERS with this debacle and will soon be WITHDRAWING ANY AND ALL MEDICAL EXPENSE COVERAGES FROM THE MARKET and shutting down medical expense insurance operations as they will be have no choice but to do so as they would be RENDERED INSOLVENT if they continued to offer coverages.

    • Bruce

      Some of the politicians who pushed hard for Medicare part D have gone to work for the pharmaceutical industry. Do people not see that the whole damn thing is a scam! There is NO reason what so ever for medical cost to be any where near what they are. It is pure greed topped off with a juicy topping of EVIL.
      The people of this nation will revolt at some point! I am NOT anti government but, I sure as hell am anti current Government. We the people are NOT being represented. We are being scammed and victimized by the political system. Think about it people.
      The Democrats are the same as the Republicans. Words like Liberal, conservative, left wing, right wing, etc are words they use to inflame and divide people. Those who believe in the current scam are ignorant fools who have been brain washed and have succumb.
      The latest bill that the republicans want passed gives tax breaks to the rich. The bill in reality has little to no help for the hard working Americans. It’s about tax breaks for the rich disguised as a health care bill.
      Unless and until we have a FREE health care system we will stay victims. A federal tax on everything bought and sold, be it retail or wholesale should have a SMALL federal health care tax assessed. That tax combined with significant prison time for welfare cheats, medicaid fraud and other government thefts would more than make up for ANY shortfall. The problem is Hospitals and insurance companies would fight this tooth and nail and they have the campaign dollars to effectively kill ANY step in that direction.
      The politicians being the scum sucking leeches they are will do whatever the highest bidder wants done. The constituents can kiss the butt of their representatives for he or she has long been bought and sold!!!

  • SoCalBeachDude

    There is no way to fix this garbage called ObamaScare. Simply repeal it entirely and get government out of meddling with medical expense insurance matters.

  • SoCalBeachDude

    Most all major insurance companies – and there are really very few left from what there used to be 40 years ago – do market their products in ALL 50 STATES but those products must be approved by the insurance commissioners in each state and those selling the products must be licensed by the state in which they reside and sell those products.

    We already have essentially a national insurance system in terms of distribution but it is STATE REGULATED AND LICENSED in each of the 50 states by their own insurance commissioners rather than by the federal government.

    Nearly all insurance companies use policy language that has been nationally standardized by ISO (Insurance Services Office) for which that language and related forms have been approved by the state insurance commissioners.

    The biggest area of insurance into which federal government has meddled is medical expense insurance, particularly in Medicare, where there is very significant federal regulation including the specific definitions and forms for which Medicare Supplement coverage (Medicare Part B) can be offered and Prescription Drug coverage (Medicare Part D) which are already completely limited and standardized nationally.

    The ACA went much further than this in meddling and attempted to regulate and specify the entire medical expense insurance industry as to the types of policies and coverages that could be provided by any medical expense insurer. That is why there are “co-ops” and nearly all of the 23 of those set up are totally INSOLVENT with 16 of those having been shut down with all policies cancelled, and why there are 1) bronze, 2) silver, 3) gold, and 4) platinum levels of coverage available on the national insurance exchanges which bypass licensed agents in each of the 34 or so states where they exist.

    Most all people who “signed up” for the ACA (ObamaScare) were FORCED INTO MEDICAID (federal government / state shared medical welfare) based on their income levels and they did not even have a choice of purchasing one of the few available private insurance medical expense coverage plans.

  • SoCalBeachDude

    SEARS CANADA BANKRUPT, STOCK PLUMMETS 21%

    Sears Canada announces bankruptcy; fires 2,900

    How Sears and CEO Eddie Lampert can still be hurt by Sears Canada’s bankruptcy

    SRSC -21.11%

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-sears-and-ceo-eddie-lampert-can-still-be-hurt-by-sears-canadas-bankruptcy-2017-06-22

    • Guest

      Totally off-topic.

      • Common Ground

        …as stated before..the white middle class (in Canada, United States, western-eastern Europe, Australia, South Africa Long dead!), is the real cause of these bankruptcies!…ONLINE shopping is just a small %%% of this! This is another reason that golf stores, hockey equipment, antique dealers, horse tracks, etc., are having a hard time….!….whities are aging, dying off, and NO make no more babies!….but the muslims are having lots of these little wogs, and the stupid Canadian white, Christian tax payers, is paying for this…!…..FINAL collapse of the WEST?

      • Stuey

        Yep, typically of drugheaddude, he is always spamming the comments section with unrelated links.

    • Global Capitalist

      It is too unfortunate that SHLD (on NASDAQ, if memory serves) went up 0.13 this week; luckily, I sold hundreds of shares short on SHLD when it was about ≈$13US. Profit is nigh guaranteed on this stock–when you short it! It is too bad I am young, for if I had more capital, I would have gone short on thousands of shares, but I was not even old enough to have a brokerage account in 2007.

      I would never go to Sears, unless I were volunteering for a charity. There is nothing wrong with selling a flailing stock short; it simply enhances superior companies, assuming one uses risk capital and invests more in AMZN, AAPL, Alibaba, and other emerging, innovative companies.

      • SoCalBeachDude

        Sears is a WONDERFUL DEPARTMENT STORE.

  • Liberty First

    “It is astounding to me that Republicans don’t want to pass the exact same clean Obamacare repeal bill that they got to Obama’s desk in 2016.” The fact is, they are FREAKING LIARS!!!

  • Cinderella Man

    I’m a man in his late 30s. I have good health I don’t smoke I am not overweight. It infuriates me that I have to be FORCED by the government to buy insurance I don’t want. I want a health savings account. They need to figure out a way that it can roll over at least a thousand of it a year. I never go to the doctor unless it’s an emergency. Obamacare was a terrible law that the democrats didn’t even bother to read although it affected the lives of every single American. It did nothing but make greedy insurance companies even richer. If we can’t get a clean repeal President Trump needs to do everything in his power to undermine and defund it. I’ve been paying the tax penalty every single year since this law passed. I never thought it was acceptable for the government to force people to buy a product from a private company. That’s fascism. The marriage of government and business. Its unconstitutional and I will be enraged if nothing happens this year. The Republicans need to join together in this. Not everyone is gonna get their way. That’s life. As I said in the other article the party must be purged of politicians that wish to be part of the opposite party. Republican does not mean Democrat lite.

    • Guest

      I hope you didn’t pay the penalty for the 2016 tax year. If you did, you didn’t have to. I did not, and my income tax return was not rejected by the IRS. If fact, I received a refund.

      • Cinderella Man

        I didn’t because I hoped it would be repealed this year. I refused to pay for insurance during the entire time Obamacare was in effect because I hoped that if enough of us didn’t enable the insurance companies that this disastrous program would be hung by its own rope.

        • Stuey

          So is the penalty no longer in effect?

          • JC Teecher

            On the Health.gov website it shows that the penalty is still in effect via your Fed Tax return filing.
            I had heard, but have not confirmed, that the penalty clause was put on hold, by Trump.
            The best way is for people to file for an exemption from the requirement by using the “religious exemption”. Who are they to say how a person determines their religious persuasion, from one day to the next.
            I might fetch a copy of the Koran and say I’m practicing Islam today when filing this exemption form, as a test to see if I like it or not. Tomorrow, I am back to tree and frog worship, that requires me to only have landscapers insurance.

    • SnodtBlossom

      I love it when you are infuriated.

    • JC Teecher

      There are millions of Muzzies in america that are exempt from the forced mandate to purchase insurance.

      Why? the dems and the kenyan wanted it that way because they play into the hands of the caliphate gov that exists within our shadow gov.
      To smooth it over with we the people, they say it is because it is not allowed by their religion.

      I bet if we try that with Christianity, we would see a lien put against our property after a year or so.

      It is a muckity mess.

      • Guest

        Actually, there are a number of exemptions from the requirement to carry minimum essential coverage under Obamacare, including an exemption for “members of certain religious sects.” The Amish, for example, would qualify for this exemption.

      • LIZ THE SHIZ

        well if your a Muslim and get sick they just stone you to death or chop off your head

        • JC Teecher

          ….or force you into a nice looking suicide bomber jacket, and drop you off at a carnival.

    • Stuey

      You are absolutely correct!

    • sister soldier

      Well said.

    • Stuey

      Very well said!!

  • RedPillPlease

    “So let’s hope that we can remove a lot of these incumbents in 2018, because we definitely need some fresh thinking in Washington.”

    That is the ONLY solution! CommieCare is just part of the problem in Washington.

  • Tim

    I recently needed medical attention, and since I don’t have health insurance I searched for a healthcare provider that accepts self-paying patients. And I found a provider that doesn’t contract with any insurance companies. An office visit is only $70. Of course, there are additional fees for other services deemed necessary. So I made an appointment. I was seen by a bright, young physician (a Doctor of Osteopathy). I must say I was very pleased and impressed with the whole experience. In my opinion, this organization is what healthcare in America should be.

    • gfmucci

      Until you need major surgery.

  • Bob

    Healthcare is a problem because it administers under insurance. Prices will keep rising because nothing prevents it from rising. Insurance companies only pay bills. Too many claims, they will raise everyone’s rates. All policyholders wind up paying for the abuses of healthcare under insurance programs.

    • JC Teecher

      Amen to that.

      As with anything the gov does, there are lobbyists coming out of the woodwork with “incentives”, to have politicians make rules/laws/regulations that benefit their bottom lines, while the sheeple get screwdover in theirs.

  • SoCalBeachDude

    ‘This bill will do you harm!’ Obama blasts Republican Senate’s Obamacare repeal as he declares it’s ‘not a health care bill’ but a gift to the rich

    Obama immersed himself in the partisan debate to gut his namesake law on Thursday in an effort to sink the proposal that some Senate Republicans have said they also cannot support.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4630622/Obama-blasts-Republican-Senate-s-Obamacare-repeal.html

  • Bill

    If Congress only has a 17.6 approval rating it is more than obvious what needs “fixing first”. Replace the attorneys with human beings and see a new America.

    • SoCalBeachDude

      The problem is that nearly all of the Congresspeople have 80% to higher than 90% approval ratings from THEIR OWN CONSTITUENTS which just further proves the ENORMOUS DIVIDES ACROSS AMERICA. Americans love their own Congressperson but dislike Congress collectively and that is the core of the problem and reason that overall approval ratings of Congress are in the 11% to 18% range.

  • old fart

    The day that health care and the collection of rejects we laughingly call the Senate pass anything that even comes close to common sense will be the same day you will see Pigs flying

  • gfmucci

    The reason Congress can’t get a health bill passed is because they are diametrically divided between progressivist “the federal government is responsible for everything” protagonists, including many Republicans, and conservative “government should only be involved in essentials” protagonists. Unfortunately, the “masses”, even those who call themselves “conservative” lean toward the government doing more and more and individuals being responsible for less and less.

    • JC Teecher

      It is all about control over our lives. As long as “they” = establishment politicians / corporate elitists / rich; can dictate how we live our lives, then they can also determine how much we must pay to receive the things they “allow” us to have.

      • SoCalBeachDude

        No, the medical expense matter is all about the greed of the hospital and pharmaceutical industries.

        • GSOB

          True.
          It is in the heart of all in Adam

          2 Peter 1:3-4

          • Rich Capitalist

            “Greed, for lack of better words, is good.”

          • SoCalBeachDude

            GREED IS NEVER GOOD BUT RATHER ALWAYS BAD.

          • GSOB

            That’s as stupid as spitting on a fish.

        • Rich Capitalist

          “Greed, for lack of better words, is good.”

          That assumes one works and invests and does not beg Uncle Sam to solve their problems while worthy capitalists in other countries are denied entry to the competition.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            GREED IS ALWAYS BAD.

  • greanfinisher

    They should simply repeal the frickin’ ACA entirely, and replace it with nothing.

    • SoCalBeachDude

      Why bother? All of the medical expense insurance companies that offered coverage on an initial basis in conjunction with the ACA (ObamaScare) are now PULLING OUT ENTIRELY and shutting down all coverages and 17 of the 23 ObamaScare co-ops have already been shut down in insolvency and the other 6 are experiencing huge losses and headed to total shutdown and cancellation of all policies.

      Very soon, there will be NO PLANS OFFERED AT ANY PRICE TO ANYONE, so why waste the time to repeal ObamaScare. Just LET IT DIE ALL BY ITSELF and then people can pay doctors and hospitals and pharmaceuticals out of their own pockets. That will start reducing prices considerable and the big issue all along has been egregious price gouging by the hospitals and pharmaceuticals.

      • Bernie Bellew

        It’s funny you say that. It did not take long for the medical industry business people to see that they could massively increase their bottom line with as my parents used to call it, “hospitalization.”

        • LIZ THE SHIZ

          don’t forget $15.00 for an aspirin

        • SoCalBeachDude

          Yep, and hospitals typically charge around $10,000 a day for delivering practically nothing.

  • alan

    The swamp 1, the American people 0

  • Common Ground

    ..why do the American states NOT imitate the Canadian (provincial) health-care system?….WE do not live in 19th century America, of “Little House on the Prairie”, or Bat Masterson, Wyatt Earp, or the “Guilded Age”! …we should move into the 21st century and copy the Canadian school system, health care, etc.!…………..why is this such a mystery?

    • SoCalBeachDude

      Because both the Canadian and UK medical no-care systems are HORRIBLE systems. That’s why!

    • JC Teecher

      The liberals in Canada want the same things as the liberals in USSAG. They want to take the countries down the rabbit holes of darkness and confusion, to eliminate any semblance of Christianity.

      Canadian Bill 89 does just that…..

      “With the passage of Bill 89, we’ve entered an era of totalitarian power by the state, such as never witnessed before in Canada’s history. Make no mistake, Bill 89 is a grave threat to Christians and all people of faith who have children, or who hope to grow their family through adoption.”

      The child services in Ontario, Canada got into hot water back in April after it removed two foster children from a Christian couple’s home because they said no to lying to the girls that the Easter bunny is real, The Christian Post reported.”

  • SoCalBeachDude
  • GSOB

    We must pay tax just to have a monetary system.

    • SoCalBeachDude

      Huh? What does tax have to do with the US monetary system of US dollars other than to bring in revenues to pay for part of government expenditures?

      • Common Ground

        ..Canadian provincial system is pretty good, but it’s these migrants that are bankrupting the system, especially in Ontario (Toronto)! ..they receive free medicare (..muslim practice forced female genital mutilation and insurance pays for it!), they go to the hospital for the smallest health infraction, and yet they NEVER worked in Canada, nor in any other country!

        • SoCalBeachDude

          Pretty GOOD FOR NOTHING!

      • GSOB

        You answered your own question, but being blinded by pride, you can’t see.
        It is no coincidence that the federal income tax was passed the same year the federal reserve act was.

        But you can’t see the obvious.

        The legacy of government bonds and bank checks……. BONDAGE for the people

        • SoCalBeachDude

          Absolutely false and very stupid assertions from you once again.

          • GSOB

            You can expect many more.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Sad.

  • GSOB

    America has to go deeper in debt just to stay afloat.

  • GSOB

    Who owns stock in the Federal Reserve is a secret.

    • SoCalBeachDude

      There is no “secret” at all as to that. Moreover, each and every year the Federal Reserve rebates more than 94% of its profits to the US Treasury just as it has done for every year of its 103+ year existence. The member banks are all US banks and receive a 6% annual dividend and there are around 6,000 member banks in the United States.

      Who owns the Federal Reserve?

      The Federal Reserve System is not “owned” by anyone. Although parts of the Federal Reserve System share some characteristics with private-sector entities, the Federal Reserve was established to serve the public interest.

      The Federal Reserve derives its authority from the Congress, which created the System in 1913 with the enactment of the Federal Reserve Act. This central banking “system” has three important features: (1) a central governing board–the Federal Reserve Board of Governors; (2) a decentralized operating structure of 12 Federal Reserve Banks; and (3) a blend of public and private characteristics.

      The Board of Governors in Washington, D.C., is an agency of the federal government. The Board–appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate–provides general guidance for the Federal Reserve System and oversees the 12 Reserve Banks. The Board reports to and is directly accountable to the Congress but, unlike many other public agencies, it is not funded by congressional appropriations. In addition, though the Congress sets the goals for monetary policy, decisions of the Board–and the Fed’s monetary policy-setting body, the Federal Open Market Committe–about how to reach those goals do not require approval by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branches of government.

      Some observers mistakenly consider the Federal Reserve to be a private entity because the Reserve Banks are organized similarly to private corporations. For instance, each of the 12 Reserve Banks operates within its own particular geographic area, or District, of the United States, and each is separately incorporated and has its own board of directors. Commercial banks that are members of the Federal Reserve System hold stock in their District’s Reserve Bank. However, owning Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System.

      https://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/about_14986.htm

      • GSOB

        Unbelievable…. just unbelievable…

        Ecclesiastes 10:3

        • SoCalBeachDude

          That obviously has nothing whatsoever to do with the Federal Reserve.

          • GSOB

            It has everything to do with central banking, American style

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Laughably false. Learn to read and comprehend the actual facts.

        • PocoPete

          Even as fools walk along the road,
          they lack sense
          and show everyone how stupid they are.

          • PocoPete

            Proverbs 22:7

            The rich rules over the poor, and the borrower is the slave of the lender.

          • Mr.Cipher

            “Ever’body know, the poor are always being f***ed over by the rich. Always have, always will.”

            Sgt. Elias
            Platoon

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Yes, you and your ilk do just that daily.

          • PocoPete

            It is not very nice of you to say that.

    • sister soldier

      But it’s no secret who owns the Federal Reserve.

      • SoCalBeachDude

        As is clearly explained below.

  • SoCalBeachDude
  • GSOB

    “It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.”

    – George Washington

    • SoCalBeachDude

      George Washington was a major slave owner with his Mount Vernon plantation and became a slave owner at the tender young age of 11 and held people in slavery for nearly all of his life. I suppose that is part of his mental picture to “rightly government a nation” with “God and the Bible” in your neck of the woods!

      http://www.mountvernon.org/george-washington/slavery/

      • GSOB

        You do? That says a lot about you.

        • SoCalBeachDude

          Do what?

  • Bill

    Can anyone confirm the shoot down of a $200 million+ US Global Hawk drone over the Mediterranean? A very serious issue if true.

  • DesertPaine

    17% seems kinda high.

  • timmy

    Here is the answer, do away with all insurance companies ! If you went to have your appendix removed today it would cost thousands of dollars because the medical industry knows it can bill whatever it wants and the insurance company will pay up. If everyone had to pay out of pocket It would cost$ 50. Congress has no right whatsoever making any decisions concerning this issue. Let the individual States decide how they will handle healthcare within their own borders. We have to get this out of control Federal government out of our business !!!

    • SoCalBeachDude

      You will soon get your wish as to medical expense insurance companies WHERE THERE WILL BE NO COVERAGE AVAILABLE AT ANY PRICE for medical expense insurance which will be totally shut down.

      • Stuey

        That’s good, then prices will drop just as Timmy stated. People could not afford the prices of healthcare if they had to pay for it out of their pocket. So either the prices decrease or a lot of MD’s, nurses, hospital and everyone else associated with the heathcare industry will be out of a job.

        • SoCalBeachDude

          They can always go to work as doctors in Cuba for $68 per month!

  • JC Teecher

    Is there a drain on the system by illegals?
    Well, let’s look at some reported facts, of which the first comes from a study by the Kaiser Family Foundation…..

    Noncitizen immigrants are significantly more likely than citizens to be uninsured. Among the nonelderly population, nearly a quarter (23%) of lawfully present immigrants and four in ten (40%) undocumented immigrants are uninsured compared to one in ten (10%) U.S. born and naturalized citizens.
    This report came out in 2016, but was for the year 2014, when the total hispanic population was at 14%. It has now ballooned to 17%, of which about 60% , or 13 million are estimated to be “illegals”.

    Even though illegal, they seem to be finding jobs that offer insurance to the employees (legal status or not), since 60% of the undocumented apparently have private insurance, because they cannot participate in the ACA program. It is for legal citizens “only”.
    Illegals are entitled to the following programs, of which may vary by state.

    According to ECONOFACT;
    “There are some federal programs that serve those in need, regardless of immigration status. Programs that serve undocumented immigrants include school meal programs, the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children (WIC), Head Start, and various in-kind emergency services. Undocumented immigrants are also eligible for Emergency Medicaid. This program typically covers acute medical situations including childbirth but not longer-term treatment for chronic conditions, even if they are life-threatening. The services provided vary by state. Emergency Medicaid is estimated to cost about $2 billion per year, well less than 1 percent of the overall Medicaid budget, and most of that cost is thought to be attributable to unauthorized immigrants.”

    A little off topic but relevant is the question about illegals receiving EBT foodstamps. According to the USDA SNAP website, these are non citizens that qualify for EBT…..

    ” The following non-citizens are eligible with no waiting period:
    Qualified alien children under 18.
    Refugees admitted under section 207 of INA (includes victims of severe forms of trafficking).
    Victims of Trafficking under the Trafficking Victims Protection Act of 2000.
    Asylees under Section 208 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA).
    Deportation withheld under 243(h) or 241(b)(3) of INA.
    Amerasian immigrants under 584 of the Foreign Operations, Export Financing and Related Programs Appropriations Act.
    Cuban or Haitian entrants as defined in 501(e) of the Refugee Education Assistance Act of 1980.
    Iraqi and Afghan special immigrants under Section 101(a)(27) of the INA.
    Certain American Indians born abroad.
    Members of Hmong or Highland Laotian tribes that helped the U.S. military during the Vietnam era, and who are legally living in the U.S., and their spouses or surviving spouses and unmarried dependent children.”
    Sounds like a lot of “loopholes” that a person may fit under.

    • JC Teecher

      Another fun fact is stats that were reported in 2014 from Statistic Brain………
      Total number of Americans on welfare 110,489,000
      Total number of Americans on food stamps 41,700,000
      Total number of Americans on unemployment insurance 10,200,000
      Percent of the US population on welfare 35.4 %
      Total government spending on welfare annually (not including food stamps or unemployment) $131,900,000,000
      Welfare Demographics Percent of recipients who are white 38.8 %
      Percent of recipients who are black 39.8 %
      Percent of recipients who are Hispanic 15.7 %
      Percent of recipients who are Asian 2.4 %
      Percent of recipients who are Other 3.3 %
      There are approximately 45 million blacks in America
      110,489,000×39.8%= 43,974,622 black welfare recipients.

      Caucasian/ White Americans which include hispanic mixes that list themselves as White make up about 70% of the total population while 12.6 % represent the total African American population.
      Hispanics come in close to 17% of the total population which does include over half of that percentage, which are undocumented.

      If we can believe stats, then over half of the undocumented illegals are working in a job whereby they can purchase medical insurance, or it is provided via an employer.
      Important note: Even though considered illegal, those that work are documented through their employers and the same taxes are taken out of their paychecks, as though they were legal, including SS Retirement and Disability.
      It doesn’t take much of a gathering of data, to determine where the largest drain on the system is coming from what segment of society.
      The past 8 years under a black potus has done nothing to improve that situation, but only make it worse for those groups.

      • JC Teecher

        One more important fact I discovered, is that for every dollar that is used for welfare benefits which includes medical and EBT payments, 70 % is swallowed up in gov waste through its bureaucracy and administration.

        .30 cents of every dollar that is designated eventually makes it to the beneficiaries of those programs. sad

        • SoCalBeachDude

          Absolutely false assertions.

  • billtheguy

    Politicians are out of touch with the real healthcare problem, cost to the patient. I was on Obamacare, (sounds like a drug) for about 5 months. My portion was $200.00 a month, and the government was about $300.00 to medical mutual, for $2500. deductible and 80/20 balance. Sounds great right? Not for a person on unemployment! In that 5 months I had one doctor appointment and some bloodwork. My total cost for the 5 months was about $1300.00 This was only to save the penalty of I think it was $895.00? I am unemployed right now, and may not find work due to my age. Employers are staying away from older workers due to their medical costs. Employers would change medical plans with no problem in the past, now, employees have to fill out a questionnaire with social security number so the insurance company can check each employee and work out the cost from there. Insurance companies are in it to make money, plain and simple, they do not want to cover the older people because it’s not cost effective. Lower the age for Medicare to 55 and get us off the books. Then, maybe companies will hire us old timers who want to work and insurance companies can insure younger people who don’t need health insurance.

    • SoCalBeachDude

      All insurance companies are REQUIRED BY STATE INSURANCE COMMISSIONERS TO ALWAYS MAINTAIN SOLVENCY AT ALL TIMES and therefore MUST TURN A PROFIT IN ORDER TO NOT BE SHUT DOWN BY STATE INSURANCE COMMISSIONERS and put into conservancy with all policies cancelled.

  • XSANDIEGOCA

    We want the same Health Care and Pensions Congress has.

    • Mr.Cipher

      Lol

    • TOUJOURS DEMAIN

      So does Mlke. That’s why he wants to run for congress.

      • JC Teecher

        Man o man, AT, that was a cheap shot at ms, wasn’t it?
        Maybe he truly wants to try to make a small difference in lives of Americans. Maybe he has no ulterior motive other than to make a stand for the innocent, that aren’t able to speak for themselves. Maybe, he is a true Christian that has no inside agenda or angle other than to do what our framers of the Constitution had in mind when they framed it based on the Word of God, and his moral laws for humanity.
        Just maybe, ms is about breaking from establishment tradition of putting self first.
        Just maybe.

        • TOUJOURS DEMAIN

          Maybe, but I believe the motive is self-serving.

          • JC Teecher

            Maybe you do. But I highly doubt it.

        • Gay Veteran

          “…do what our framers of the Constitution had in mind when they framed it
          based on the Word of God, and his moral laws for humanity….”

          BILGE

  • Alcoholic Prepper

    I can’t make heads or tails of all this health care mumbo jumbo lawyer accountant talk.. I went to South America to a somewhat poor country, Uruguay. They seemed to have it figured out. Poor people stood in line to go see public health doctors. If you had money, you just went to go see a doctor and paid for it. Insurance was affordable. Drugs were very cheap. People there also were HWP, and living pretty healthy lifestyles compared to us.

    • JC Teecher

      You just explained the difference in the systems of the two countries, even with a buzz.

      America equals billions of dollars made via thousands of insurance companies, w/ lobbyists.

      South of the border equals millions of people that can’t afford insurance, therefore no incentive for thousands of Insurance companies, to be involved.

      It’s a numbers game, and the Insurance companies in America and Canada are all about helping your numbers decline while their’s rise.

      Easy on the hard liquor their girlfriend, I lost three good friends that were hard liquor drinkers to liver disease and eventual heart failure. If you must drink, then kill a bottle of wine from time to time, and draw on a spliff. Unless of course your whole goal is to checkout before hitting retirement age.

      • SoCalBeachDude

        Insurance companies in the medical expense arena are the BIGGEST LOSERS WITH OBAMASCARE which is precisely why they are shutting down all coverages, cancelling policies, and entirely withdrawing from the medical expense insurance markets.

    • SnodtBlossom

      HWP.. you made me google.. ::sigh::

  • ramrodd

    this site refuses to post links

    • BelieveInCod

      they do,, but the author approves them at his leisure..

    • aldownunder

      not if your SoCalBeachDude

      • ramrodd

        they moderate before posting

        • aldownunder

          He gets all his links straight through when everyone else has to wait hours

  • ramrodd

    Why Repeal if We are Going to Replace?

    The Constitution does not grant the federal government any authority to meddle in our health care, so it wouldn’t matter even if the Republican replacement plan werea good one…..

    In 2014, Gruber candidly declared that the legislation was written in a way that was designed to deceive the American people and to exploit “the stupidity of the American voter.”Let me ask the simple questions: do you believe that government is a truth-teller?

    Do you believe that government intervention in a marketplace makes the market more efficient and just?

    Do you believe that government is the solution to our economic problems?

    If you do, then maybe Jonathan Gruber is right. Maybe you need someone like him, or your favorite political party, to lie to you for your own good…

    The operative clauses to look up here are Article One, Section Eight of the Constitution and the Tenth Amendment. It will onlytake you about six minutes to read and understand that any replacement of Obamacare is more than just a Republican betrayal for American healthcare; it is a dangerous and tyrannical trespass into American homes and lives.
    Make no mistake, repealing Obamacare is the Congress’s duty, and to replace it is the action of tyrants….

    Freedom Outpost

  • ramrodd

    Ann Barnhardt – Back to work

    Folks, even the most cursory research shows immediately that Trump is and always has been fully in favor of so-called “universal” or “single-payer” healthcare. These psychopathic fools have no intention of ever undoing Obamacare – only making it worse.

    I’m sorry, but if you were dumb enough to think that Trump or the congress would ever, ever, ever unwind the biggest racketeering matrix in human history, you deserve what you get. Keep writin’ those quarterly tax checks! I’m sure if the Republicans can just pick up a few more seats… OH. WAIT.

    • JC Teecher

      As long as there are no mandates, let ’em write all the danged HC reform bills they want, and let the sheeple play into the game if they want to.
      I’ll do what I have been for the past decade, and that is create my own health care plan without fed intrusiveness.

  • LIZ THE SHIZ

    when the lobbyist’s for the medical and other industries help pay for your re-election by doing their bidding what do you expect, eliminate money from the political process and maybe the people’s interest’s will be done and good luck on ever having that happen

    • JC Teecher

      a little snippet from an article on Forthtell….

      “Dream on dreamers, the American Dream is dead, prosperity has left, all that’s left is Left overs. Poll-tax headed your way, your money or your head, RIP’d from posterity, sleep on in the dread fed bed of the DC swamp things’ morass of soylent green, quantitatively eased from the veins of the American body.”

      Pretty much sums it up. (since ScBdud is still sleeping, I thought I’d do some copy and post this morning, without the links) If ya can’t beat ’em, join ’em.

  • DJohn1

    What is wrong with the current financing of our health care?
    A whole lot of things almost too numerous to list here.
    The biggest thing I see wrong is the entire industry is involved in theft.
    Each according to his ability to pay seems to be the way things are.
    So if you are a non-working welfare person Medicaid gets involved and everything is paid.
    If you worked 40 hours a week, plus any overtime you could make, you pay! And if you bothered to get married to your spouse if she gets sick you pay until your are both broken financially.
    This is basically socialism gone crazy. It is the law as written by congress.
    Doctors, lawyers, bankers, and many more professions are involved in professional theft of the public and it is all legal.
    If you are forced to go to a hospital by circumstances beyond your control then you become part of the feeding of professionals.
    Up to 7 of them will visit your chart every day and expect to get paid for doing so. Basically they do nothing and get paid for it most of the time.
    Lawyers are no different. IF you go on workman’s comp there is a lawyer there to make sure you get approved. For this they get upwards of $2,000 for having a clerk show up at the court deciding things. With out the lawyer you are not approved for the workman’s comp.
    If you close on a house, they are right there for the feeding. In this case it is likely a title search done by a legal assistant then the bank insists on you paying for insurance so they are covered in case the lawyer’s office did not do their job.
    The Pros in our lives are responsible for this Obamacare farce.
    They have no use for anyone stupid enough to work for a living as is apparent in their various practices.
    Your chances of seeing true reform in the medical profession and the insurance industry is just about the same as a snowball in hell.
    Look to where the money goes to see the true situation.
    Because those feeders control the Congress whether it is RHINOS in the Congress or Democrats. That is the reality of the situation.
    If you want true change then these people have to be taken care of in the process in order to get it changed.
    True change would mean the entire industry of insurance and medical care will have to be altered in such a way that they do not lose money.
    Anything else will never get through the Congress.

    • JC Teecher

      “Lawyers are no different. IF you go on workman’s comp there is a lawyer there to make sure you get approved. For this they get upwards of $2,000 for having a clerk show up at the court deciding things. With out the lawyer you are not approved for the workman’s comp.”

      You are partly correct on this, as I was injured on the job in 1995, and the company became ruthless and downright mean at trying to push me off workers comp.
      I was pushed to the point of contacting a lawyer, and luckily I got to speak with a nice lady that took the time to explain everything to me about how the system works and that the company I worked for was “self-Insured” by maintaining a huge bank account for making the weekly work-comp payments and all associated medical costs.
      she even went into detail about what I faced ahead and that they would gladly take 30% of my settlement after a DR. recommended surgery, minimum pay out for 5% permanent disability in my shoulder.

      So, armed with “information” I went it alone, and used the threat of hiring a lawyer, to finalize my surgery and eventual settlement. It got nasty.

      My brother just went through the same ordeal with an on the job injury, and after three years of pain, and eventually hiring a lawyer because the company forced the Dr. to release him to go back to work, even though he was in worse pain, since the date of injury.
      Only after the lawyer got involved, did the company back off, and agreed to going to one of the most qualified neurosurgeons in the country, and he eventually, after two surgeries found that my brothers spine had a tear that was not even visible under an MRI, which had to be fused. Brother is finally “almost” pain free, and vindicated as nearly everyone assumed he was lying about his injury, to milk the system.

      A lawyer was the only way for him to receive what he deserved under the law.

      The “threat” of a lawyer, was the only way to receive what I deserved under the law.

      • SoCalBeachDude

        Well, what do yo want to do to change that?

        • GSOB

          For you?…… Hebrews 9:24

    • Carl

      YOU ARE 1 MILLION PERCENT RIGHT! It is all about the money. Everything.

      Yes everyone complains about the poor people taking advantage of the system and having to pay for them through their taxes, etc.

      BUT you never really hear anyone complaining about the ways they are taken advantage of by professionals. I guess as long as you have the illusion that the rich or well to do or even upper middle class are supporting themselves people don’t mind one bit.

      It is a sick joke and the hospital and medical industries are a disgusting display of greed. **As for other doctors coming in your hospital room and doing nothing just to get a piece of the pie. Greed. Greed Greed. There are ways to put the shoe on the other foot for these bottom feeder doctors. Just google it and do some research on it.

      Why not have the same rates for everyone regardless of what insurance you have? Then if you have insurance you pay a part and the insurance companies pay a part. Since the government got us into this mess we should hold them accountable and make them do what is right. The only way I can see is government caps on rates hospitals can charge or this mess will never change.

      No one should have to choose between getting a medical procedure and losing everything just for a chance to live.

      It is pretty depressing when you think about how the system and all systems on this earth are setup.

      • Rich Capitalist

        I will pay for a one way flight to Caracas, Venezuela. See what nationalization of goods and the elimination of competition caused there; you will, in your pro-government iniquity, observe what happens.

        If you saw what horrendous things the government of Venezuela has done, you will have greater understanding than I of their squalor; deprivation of basic services provided by private industry–food, housing, medical services, utilities, financial and other services, and other goods–is the sole consequence of a bloated State.

        Such detestation of the successful is unseen in Venezuela, for they were robbed of it; here in the U.S.A., we have people whose incomes are above foreigners by a factor of hundreds who lament their inability to buy a Ferrari. They try to steal instead, or beg Uncle Sam to expropriate wealth from creators and investors to pay for it. Aside from the hyperbole, it is true to smaller degree. Sure, cost of living here is higher, for every thing imaginable.

        That is why we had some safety nets, but never did we subsidize idiocy, illiteracy, and innumeracy. Why would our nation rather fund social security and medicaid and medicare when we (not the State) should be funding education about prevention of maladies, other education, and innovation? Of course, one who advocates for price controls and draconian measures would not understand the woes and joys besides their own. Of course, “Greed, for lack of better words, is good.” I shall add, “…when one strives for riches without the State.”

        • SoCalBeachDude

          The medical system in CUBA is one of the very best in the world and they have so many doctors they send them to other countries to assist in providing services. And the fine Cuban doctors do that in exchange for $68 per month!

  • Mondobeyondo

    It’s surprising their approval rating is THAT high.

    They need to be voted out – all of them (except Ron Paul and perhaps a couple of others) and a fresh new crew of politicians brought in. Don’t make the mistake of voting the rats out and electing a group of mice…

    • JC Teecher

      rand.

    • SoCalBeachDude

      As I stated below, most all Congress members of them have 80% of higher ratings from their OWN CONSTITUENTS and that is how they get elected to office.

  • SoCalBeachDude
  • SoCalBeachDude
  • SoCalBeachDude

    You are assuming that all Republicans would support repealing ObamaScare and that certainly is not the case and opposition to TrumpCare nonense is GROWING:

    Dean Heller Becomes the Fifth GOP Senator to Oppose Health Care Bill

    http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/dean-heller-becomes-fifth-gop-senator-oppose-health-care-bill-n776091

  • James

    It is astounding to me that Republicans don’t want to pass the exact same clean Obamacare repeal bill that they got to Obama’s desk in 2016. If they got that same bill to Trump’s desk, he would sign it. Instead of trying to do everything at once, just repeal Obamacare and then start working on various pieces of the health care system one at a time.

    Response
    1. The Republicans passed the bill BECAUSE, not in spite of the fact they knew it was going to fail. Parties without a government (unified) use sacrificial cow legislation to show their platform.

    2. By repealing Obamacare, you have removed health insurance from 20 million people 1.5 years away from midterms. Not a good idea.

    3. By repealing Obamacare, you drive uncertainty in healthcare markets about insurance volume and you throw the healthcare industry into chaos. Disastrous idea.

    • GSOB

      The government gives, the government takes,

      ,

  • James

    Imagine if the tens of millions of people who belong to Credit Unions, or organizations like the NRA or ACLU, could negotiate as a group for health insurance and drug prices!

    Imagine if that could be an unmanageable mess due to constantly shifting memberships and overt partisanship in insurance markets where companies want to serve as many people as possible!

    • SoCalBeachDude

      The thought of that would be beyond hideous.

  • James

    Imagine if the tens of millions of people who belong to Credit Unions, or organizations like the NRA or ACLU, could negotiate as a group for health insurance and drug prices!

    Imagine if memberships are located in small, clustered geographic areas and are instead scattered in a stochastic way that would make networked doctors and pharmacies a rather hard sell!

    • SoCalBeachDude

      All insurance is STATE LICENSED AND REGULATED and must be purchased on a state by state basis. So-called “competition” does nothing whatsoever to lower the costs of MEDICAL EXPENSES which are what is being covered with medical expense insurance. It isn’t insurance that is the issue at all, but rather the EGREGIOUS PRICE GOUGING by the hospital and pharmaceutical industries that will totally shut down the availability of any and all medical expense insurance anywhere in the USA.

  • James

    Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, and Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska
    Oh noes!
    It’s not like Collins and Murkowski represent largely rural states with sparse healthcare resources that are often limited to Planned Parenthood. Oh wait, they do?

    WELL THEY MUST FOLLOW IDEOLOGICAL NONSENSE INSTEAD OF SERVING THE CONSTITUENTS THAT ELECTED THEM.

    //sarc

    • JC Teecher

      Birds of a feather, but strange ones at that.

      • SoCalBeachDude

        They are not birds at all, but rather rabid BATS.

  • SoCalBeachDude

    Universal health care bill stalls in California…

    http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article157974029.html

    The price tag on universal health care is in, and it’s bigger than California’s budget

    The price tag is in: It would cost $400 billion to remake California’s health insurance marketplace and create a publicly funded universal heath care system, according to a state financial analysis released Monday.

    California would have to find an additional $200 billion per year, including in new tax revenues, to create a so-called “single-payer” system, the analysis by the Senate Appropriations Committee found. The estimate assumes the state would retain the existing $200 billion in local, state and federal funding it currently receives to offset the total $400 billion price tag.

    The cost analysis is seen as the biggest hurdle to creating a universal system, proposed by Sens. Ricardo Lara, D-Bell Gardens, and Toni Atkins, D-San Diego.

    It remains a long-shot bid. Steep projected costs have derailed efforts over the past two decades to establish such a health care system in California. The cost is higher than the $180 billion in proposed general fund and special fund spending for the budget year beginning July 1.

    Employers currently spend between $100 billion to $150 billion per year, which could be available to help offset total costs, according to the analysis. Under that scenario, total new spending to implement the system would be between $50 billion and $100 billion per year.

    http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article151960182.html#storylink=cpy

  • SoCalBeachDude

    Then why don’t you just pack up and move there?

  • SoCalBeachDude

    Laughably and cluelessly false.

  • SoCalBeachDude

    Trump-backer who said Hillary Clinton should face a firing squad for treason is welcomed at the White House for Veterans Administration bill signing

    Al Baldasaro, a New Hampshire state lawmaker and retired Marine who once called for Hillary Clinton to be executed for treason, was welcomed Friday in the East Room.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4634266/Man-said-Hillary-face-firing-squad-goes-WH.html

  • SoCalBeachDude

    Everybody hates Congress. So why do congressmen almost always get re-elected?

    Everybody hates Congress.

    Well, okay, not everyone. But almost everyone. The Real Clear Politics polling average shows that a mere 14 percent of Americans approve of Congress, compared to 78 percent who disapprove. That’s an almost impossible spread of more than 60 points. And yet, Congress’ approval is actually slightly better today than it was in early 2013, when Public Policy Polling found that Congress was less popular than Genghis Khan, root canals, and cockroaches.

    It’s curious, then, that while people hate the monolithic Congress, they seem to like their own Congressional representatives just fine.

    In 2014, Congress had an approval rating in the neighborhood of 13 to 15 percent; nonetheless, 95 percent of incumbents were re-elected in the midterm elections. This is sometimes known as Fenno’s Paradox, named after political scientist Richard Fenno, who first pointed out the disconnect between low Congressional approval and incumbency retention in 1978.

    “Citizens use different criteria for judging the performance of their representatives and Congress as a whole,” Sin said. Congress as a whole is rated on the messiness of the legislative process, and at least to some extent on the state of the economy or the country. Individual members of Congress, though, “are judged by constituency service and personal attributes,” Sin said. As a result, members of Congress tend to be more focused on, and more responsive to, local constituents than to national ones.

    In their efforts to please their constituents, congressmen have numerous advantages. They have staffs devoted to addressing constituents’ problems, from lost checks to pushing funding for local projects. Congressmen also have many opportunities to meet constituents in person; they get invited to events and dinners and parties all the time. People may hate that thing called Congress way off in the distance, but they like that congresswoman they met at the local holiday parade.

    http://theweek.com/articles/615133/everybody-hates-congress-why-congressmen-almost-always-reelected

  • GSOB

    Get rid of the Federal Reserve and you will see approval ratings deflate and then hyper inflate for Congress.

    Yes we can!

    • SoCalBeachDude

      Obviously NOT. The Federal Reserve is a superb central bank in the USA and is MERELY A CENTRAL BANK and has nothing whatsoever to do with the massive profligate irresponsible deficit spending of more than $1 trillion a year versus revenues for which CONGRESS is 100% to blame and nobody else. Approval ratings have always been very low for Congress as a whole, but very high for every Congress person by his or her constituents which is why they are re-elected 95% of the time.

      • GSOB

        We already know where you stand. You are part of the status quo…..central banking must go.

        • SoCalBeachDude

          Obviously, central banking will never go but will continue to grow and nearly every single one of the 196 countries in the world have a central bank which is ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL to handle inter bank transactions along with an array of other useful functions which can only be done by a central bank. I would suggest you learn about central banks at the BIS (Bank for International Settlements) at:

          http://www.BIS.org

          • GSOB

            Fiat currency is not money…. and that’s what I’m talking about..
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23DNe0cJhcU
            Did you do the homework I assigned you?

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Laughably false. The US dollar is the ONLY REAL MONEY THAT MATTERS IN THE WORLD TODAY and will continue to be the DOMINANT CURRENCY AND MONEY in the world for the foreseeable future.

          • GSOB

            The road to perdition.
            America has to keep borrowing to stay afloat…. thanks to the Federal Reserve SYSTEM, that enables the government to continue making promises they should not make and spending money it just doesn’t have. The Federal income tax soon wasn’t enough for this wealth transferring system.
            This cartel controls the economy and perpetuates America’s spending problem, and transfers the debt to the people.
            A…fiat currency…..backed by nothing…. how quickly things can happen overnight.
            The erosion has already begun. America HAS to borrow to stay afloat. If she don’t, the debt will drown her.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            The debt of the US government is in no way the fault of the Federal Reserve and it is 100% the FAULT OF CONGRESS for running up that debt, and the total outstanding debt of more than $67 trillion in the US is the fault of irresponsible people, businesses, and other entities who ran up that debt including states and municipalities and territories.

          • GSOB

            The crash is coming and we don’t need the Federal reserve board to make it worse trying to sway it. The Fed must go, it will, … with the final chapter of the lengthy crash. Too much American currency already in the global system. A new monetary system will emerge and it will be somehow pegged to gold and silver.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Laughably false and your comprehension regarding the US dollar is obviously absolutely non-existent.

            The Federal Reserve SUPERBLY and very conservatively manages the US dollar which is why it is the strongest and best and most widely used money and currency in the entire world. If anything there are FAR TOO FEW US DOLLARS in existence relative to the bubble values of assets.

            The total US money supply as measured by the broadest M2 measure is less than $14 trillion and the M1 measure is only around $3 trillion consisting of printed cash and checking accounts. That TINY LITTLE BIT OF US DOLLARS supports our $18 trillion a year economy plus around $95 trillion in market value of assets in the US.

            There is no other currency that can even begin to challenge the function and supremacy of the US dollar.

            As to metals, their total value is less than 1% of total global assets and they are nothing but a tiny little speck of dust in the way of assets. Around 70% of gold exists in the form of jewelry and the total value of the entire around 180,000 metric tonnes of gold ever mined is less than $7 trillion with less than $2 trillion existing in the form of gold bullion. Gold has NO FINANCIAL RELEVANCE AT ALL AND NEVER WILL HAVE ANY FINANCIAL RELEVANCE WHATSOEVER, and the same is true of silver which is worth a tiny fraction of gold.

          • GSOB

            …..”The Federal Reserve SUPERBLY and very conservatively manages the US” …..

            along with the Federal Government and it’s monetary expansion policies, have STOLEN our economic future and left us with a bankrupt economy…. thus is the FRUIT of all ‘FIAT’ currencies…

          • SoCalBeachDude

            The US money supply is EXTREMELY SMALL relative to the size of assets and has only increased from around $8 trillion to now less than $14 trillion over the past 10 years in the US.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            I would suggest you quite looking at totally bogus propaganda detritus such as that absurdly false and stupid video.

  • SoCalBeachDude

    The sooner the better! Enjoy Uruguay? By the way, why didn’t you choose PARAGUAY like the Bush Family did?

  • GSOB

    Start by repealing the Federal income tax…., gradually. It’s been papaver somniferum for the Federal government, so we have to gradually reduce the dependency.

    • SoCalBeachDude

      Then just how do you expect to fund the $4 trillion a year expenditures of the Federal government? Of those $4 trillion in annual expenditures precisely what do you want to see cut or eliminated?

      And just what federal government spending do you propose cutting and by how much in each category?

      Only 20% of the US government annual spending is for total military spending with 16% for actual military spending and 4% for Veterans Benefits.

      The biggest part of the spending is SOCIAL PROGRAMS including the Social Security and Medicare insurance programs which are NOT ACTUARILY SOUND and which are paying out vastly more than they have taken in with payroll taxes.

      A summary of the fiscal 2015 US federal government expenditures totaling nearly $4 trillion is as follows:

      WELFARE & MEDICAL (63%)
      33% Social Security, Unemployment, Labor
      27% Medicare & Health
      ..3% Housing & Community

      MILITARY (20%)
      16% Military
      ..4% Veterans Benefits

      INTEREST ON DEBT (6%)
      ..6% Interest on Debt

      FOOD & TRANSPORTATION (6%)
      ..3% Food & Agriculture
      ..3% Transportation

      EDUCATION & SCIENCE (3%)
      ..2% Education
      ..1% Science

      ENERGY, ENVIRONMENT, & INTERNATIONAL (2%)
      ..1% International Affair
      ..1% Energy & Environment

      OTHER EXPENSES (1%)
      ..1% Government Expenses (general)

      The complete breakdown of Fiscal 2015 expenditures is extensively detailed including actual numbers as well as pie-charts with various percentage breakdowns as to discretionary and non-discretionary expenditures at:

      https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/spending/

      • GSOB

        I don’t.

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        (You forgot what you asked me, didn’t you)

        • SoCalBeachDude

          Hardly, but you appear to be hopelessly lost in a sea of total and utter delusion. Sad.

          • GSOB

            Lol…… So, are you saying you are a Jew?

  • GSOB

    Defund PPH

    • SoCalBeachDude

      There is nothing in any way “deceitful” whatsoever about the Federal Reserve and their purpose and mission is clearly and plainly and transparently detailed in the FEDERAL RESERVE ACT which I would suggest you read and attempt to comprehend at:

      FEDERAL RESERVE ACT

      https://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/fract.htm

  • SoCalBeachDude

    The big advantage of Paraguay – at least for the Bushes – is that it has no extradition treaty with the US, unlike Uruguay!

  • GSOB

    Pass an amendment to allow college loans to be included in a bankruptcy.

    • SoCalBeachDude

      That would vastly further undermine the finances of the US government. You apparently do not realize that these are INSURED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT off the books and that the total amount of student loans is now around $1.4 trillion. They are NON-DISCHARGEABLE in bankruptcy filings (Chapter 7 and 13) for a very good reason and ALL DEBT SHOULD BE NON-DISCHARGEABLE in bankrptcy and the bankruptcy code of the USA should be totally abolished.

      • GSOB

        Change is always hard isn’t it sweetheart?

        • SoCalBeachDude

          What appears really hard for you is PERSONAL FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY. If you borrow money for whatever reason you are obligated to repay that money, both legally and from a moral perspective.

          • GSOB

            God looks at the heart though.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            God doesn’t pay the bills, and is no substitute at all for proper financial behavior and financial responsibility.

          • GSOB

            You are dead and wrong. Christ is not only my righteousness, He is my strength and guess what….. ? In whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge

          • SoCalBeachDude

            You are just PLUM CRAZY and obviously totally scatter brained and incapable of even comprehending concepts let alone financial concepts and structures and transactions.

            Jesus of Nazareth was convicted and hung to die on a cross because he VIOLATED THE LAW EGREGIOUSLY and got the appropriate punishment for what he did.

          • GSOB

            Matthew 10:32-33, 40

          • SoCalBeachDude

            That isn’t in the Torah and Jewish folks have no interest at all in those subsequently written fables in the New Testament.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            No, I’m certainly not dead yet, but when you are dead, then you are DEAD and none of your psychobabble matters at all.

          • GSOB

            “In this world, blessed be God, there is no gulf between a state of nature and grace, we may pass from sin to God; but if we die in our sins, there is no coming out.”

          • SoCalBeachDude

            No, only insurance companies do if you are applying for life insurance and if you have a bad heart you will be excluded from coverage or adversely rated as to premiums.

    • Johnny Walker

      GSOB, you may want to consider putting down the keyboard and not posting while indulging in the spirits.

      • GSOB

        ?? You drunk or something?

  • GSOB

    Pray to the Lord that He will grant us the knowledge of a cure for all cancer…. Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the life.

    • SoCalBeachDude

      Why do you want people to live longer? That would only make the US government debt vastly worse. The sooner people die, the better. The biggest reason why the US government deficit and debt are as horrendously awful is because people are now living much longer and reversing that would be good news from an actuarial standpoint of mortality rates.

      • GSOB

        Matthew 10:39

        Proverbs 8:35-36

        • SoCalBeachDude

          Please try to start dealing with REALITY, dude. This is now 2017, not the year 17.

          • GSOB

            Matthew 12:30-31

          • SoCalBeachDude

            I’d suggest you read something far more interesting and informative and would highly recommend reading the Federal Reserve Act in its entirety which is at:

            https://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/fract.htm

          • GSOB

            Acts 17:30-31
            Although God overlooked the ignorance of earlier times, He now commands all men everywhere to repent.

            For He has set a day when He will judge the world with justice by the Man He has appointed.

            He has given proof of this to all men by raising Him from the dead.…

          • SoCalBeachDude

            You’re lost in pure delusions again, dude.

          • Stuey

            drugheaddude doesn’t believe in the new testament, he called it fantasy stories before. He only believes in the old testament.

          • GSOB

            If he believed in the OT, then he would believe that Jesus is the Messiah, who was promised in the OT….. the truth of the matter is, he has not been taught by God.

  • SoCalBeachDude

    GSOB appears to be totally financially irresponsible and he does not appear to care at all about the health and welfare of women.

    • GSOB

      1 Samuel 16:7

  • SoCalBeachDude

    Indeed. Big time! Hard to believe anyone could put up such inane nonsense!

    • GSOB

      rofl

      • SoCalBeachDude

        Please go buy a clue somewhere, dude.

  • GSOB

    Leviticus 18:21 today, in principle, is PPH

    So understand that the methods have changed.

  • JC Teecher

    Ok, so it’s the GSOB + ScOBD show tonight.
    Back to my studies on the influence of God’s Word and laws on the formation of the US Constitution. Very interesting that of the nearly 250 individuals involved in someway to the birthing of those documents based on God’s laws, only 2 individuals claimed to be somewhat secular in their points of view. They were not atheist, and made some indications of belief in God and the hereafter, but just tried to keep their contributions on a more secular level. Only two. Very interesting.

    No wonder the atheists and liberals want to destroy the US Constitution and Bill of Rights, just before they outlaw Christianity, and kill off all Republicans via jihadis. It is God centered with Divine laws of which they do not feel the need to abide by, as they want to only follow their new laws and the definitions of those, to suit their tastes and likes at the time.

    • SoCalBeachDude

      How’s your snake handling going to night, JC?

      • Mia Malkova

        Don’t knock “snake” handling. I make a good living at it.

        • SoCalBeachDude

          Have fun with your snakies!

        • JC Teecher

          I don’t think he was insinuating handling trouser snakes.

      • JC Teecher

        Must be pretty good, I got a rise out of you didn’t I?

    • GSOB

      They shunned central banking

      • SoCalBeachDude

        Central banking is ESSENTIAL for any and every country in the world. Obviously.

        http://www.BIS.org

        • GSOB

          Just weights and scales are required by God

          Read the Bible.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Commodities are not money at all and money has nothing whatsoever to do with weights and scales and nearly all money today is now ELECTRONIC and weighs nothing. Once again this is the year 2017 and not the year 17.

          • GSOB

            Fiat currency is not money

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Fiat is an Italian car company that does not produce money, but rather just shabby cars.

            The US dollar is the ONLY REAL MONEY and currency in the US and throughout much of the world where the US dollar is used as money for more than 83% of all global transactions.

          • GSOB

            You are divorced from reality…
            The US dollar is on her death bed. This is the calm before the storm
            Deflation and then hyper inflation.
            The US dollar has not been backed by gold since 1971. … the currency is not money, …….it is worthless currency…
            All fiat currencies crumble.
            Precious medals are the way to go.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Nope, but you sure are TOTALLY DIVORCED FROM REALITY. We are in a GLOBAL DEFLATIONARY SPIRAL as is highly apparent from the prices in US dollars of all the world’s 27 major commodities which have been plunging for the past 6 years.

            Oil is down around 60% from $114 per barrel to currently less than $45 per barrel just over the past 3 years. Grains are in a global glut also and are plunging. Metals have taken particularly huge plummets with gold down around 35% and silver down 70% over the past 6 years. The US dollar is the ONLY REAL MONEY IN THE US and is used in 83% of all global transactions and that will be the case for the foreseeable future.

          • GSOB

            You are wrong….
            US dollars soon to be worthless overseas and when it does crumble, gold will rise because history shows that people will give up the fiat currency, once they see that keeps losing purchase power, as the Fed continues to dilute it via printing…. the scam is exposed… People will find purchasing power in gold….PLEASE REALIZE any knew monetary system that emerges will be tied to gold, to prevent the idiots to inflate us out of debt…that is why there is such a global gold rush and hoarding my Russia and China, who have bypassed the US dollar..

            The nails keep coming to the reserve dollar status for the US .. that’s why the presses keep printing and the MSM tells you that all is ok…(judgment)

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Why more absurdly ridiculous and clueless nonsense from you.

            Any global collapse in asset prices AXIOMATICALLY INCREASES THE VALUE OF THE US DOLLAR in terms of purchasing power and on the DXY.

            Junk little commodities like gold that are absurdly overpriced at anywhere near current valuations are what will collapse along with all or nearly all commodities and we saw that yet again today in the commodities markets.

            No monetary system ever again will have anything whatsoever to do with junk like gold which is just a trivial little fungible niche commodity with absolutely zero financial relevance and which is just a SPECK OF DUST in the financial markets. Total gold sales each year globally are less than $234 billion which is HALF THE SIZE OF ANNUAL REVENUES OF WALMART. Get a clue.

    • Gay Veteran

      who knew that “god” wanted an electorial college

  • SoCalBeachDude

    100% correct, particularly utterly clueless ones such as GSOB and JCT.

    • GSOB

      Read the Bible. It is a sure guide to eternal life, in Christ.

      • SoCalBeachDude

        The so-called “new testament” is not part of the Torah and of no interest to folks of the Jewish faith or to 77% of the world’s population that has no interest at all in the so-called “Christian” religion.

  • SoCalBeachDude

    JCT is a crazed dude who lives in a shack in Appalachia, so show some pity for the poor fool!

    Religion in Backcountry Appalachia

    Christianity has long been the main religion in Appalachia.

    Religion in Appalachia is characterized by a sense of independence and a distrust of religious hierarchies, both rooted in the evangelical tendencies of the region’s pioneers, many of whom had been influenced by the “New Light” movement in England.

    Many of the denominations brought from Europe underwent modifications or factioning during the Second Great Awakening (especially the holiness movement) in the early 19th century.

    A number of 18th and 19th-century religious traditions are still practiced in parts of Appalachia, including natural water (or “creek”) baptism, rhythmically chanted preaching, congregational shouting, snake handling, and foot washing.

    While most church-goers in Appalachia attend fairly well organized churches affiliated with regional or national bodies, small unaffiliated congregations are not uncommon in rural mountain areas.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachia

    • JC Teecher

      Teecher is a saved soul, very rich in the blessings of God, with an inheritance worth more than all the wealth and riches in Los Angeles combined.

      ScBDud, has the soul of an heathen that inherits the things of the world that passeth away with the idols he worships.

      Teechers inheritance and blessed soul live for eternity.

      Which inheritance would most people, other than Carl, rather have?

      • SoCalBeachDude

        Saved from what? Certainly not from your extreme and utter ignorance. Helllooooo?

        Tom Cruise once said, “SHOW ME THE MONEY,” and I will reiterate that once again.

        • JC Teecher

          No one can tell you anything, as you have it all figured out….you believe.
          However: when your god comes here, if you are still on dry ground, you will see what being saved, and from whom, is all about.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            You are DROWNING in your own MENTAL SWAMP OF DELUSIONS, dude. Pathetic.

    • Stuey

      So, besides being a jewish anti-semite you are also anti-christian? Add that to the list of a racist homophobe too huh.

  • GSOB

    What are you talking about?
    Matthew 11:1-13

  • GSOB

    Your point is moot

  • GSOB

    lol

  • GSOB

    John 3:20

    • SoCalBeachDude

      You are lost in fiction and are no where near being “back on earth,” dude.

  • GSOB

    God looks at the heart

    • SoCalBeachDude

      All of us in the financial world care about is your financial statement, and we really couldn’t care less about your heart unless you are applying for a life insurance policy.

  • ISA41:10

    Why cannot we just KILL government healthcare?

    Because once a leech latches onto an entitlement, it is almost impossible to get them off!

    • SoCalBeachDude

      Because it is an essential and necessary service that 100% of the citizens of the US use. That’s why. The issue is HOW TO PAY for such services. More than 77 million of the 324 million Americans are now on Medicaid which is a very bad thing and unsustainable and soon all medical expense insurers will be CLOSING DOWN ALL COVERAGES FOR THE REST OF AMERICANS due to federal government interference in the insurance markets which is also a very bad thing from many perspectives but may turn out to be a very good thing in terms of dealing with the major issue: COSTS.

      • ISA41:10

        Forcing others to pay for healthcare (or anything else) is STEALING!!!

        It is Un-Constitutional, PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • SoCalBeachDude

          Well, the US and all countries do that with Medicaid, Medicare, and other programs and now 77 million people are on federal government subsidized Medicaid in the US. Many countries have socialized medical services, and the most shining of those is CUBA where the costs are very low and doctors are paid an average of around $67 per month and that is on its way to the USA!

          Don’t worry! Be happy!

          • ISA41:10

            Then MOVE there and let the rest of us live by our Constitution.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            The US Constitution says NOTHING WHATSOEVER regarding medical matters and is merely a very brief framework for the operation of the federal government.

          • ISA41:10

            Are you really this STUPID?!?!?!?

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Hardly, I am a REALIST and deal in the ACTUAL FACTS, where it certainly appears that you are “really this STUPID.” Pitiful.

          • Undecider

            There you go. You just said it. The Federal government has no business in medicine or medical matters. Thanks for clarifying.

          • JC Teecher

            Best idea I have heard in a long time.

      • Undecider

        Only 100% of the Free Lunch Society want this trash. There are those of us who neither need nor want that garbage. Why would I want something from a government that by and large makes fluoridation and vaccines mandatory? They protect GMO “science.”

        No thanks. If there’s one thing government does not know how to do, it’s taking care of you.

  • JC Teecher

    Your ignorance and idiotic statements prove nothing except your lack of intellect.

  • JC Teecher

    It does make for some interesting possibilities since this event only happened about 2022 years ago, and is coinciding with the final Jubilee end days. Personally I have been seeking a change for America since the Blood Moons and Shemitah cycle that just passed in Fall of 2015.
    The change has come with a negative influence of societies across the globe, which apparently seem to be leaning more towards liberalism and gov, than toward the Creator and His Son, The Messiah.
    God, has throughout history, caused nations to heed his warnings by allowing destruction and chaos to cause their hearts to be humbled. If any two nations deserves to be humbled, it is the North American nations of USA and Canada, which have been blessed the most, but have repented and given thanks the least.

    • SoCalBeachDude

      There will be no “final Jubilee” ever and if you have run up bills expected them to be wiped away then I’d suggest you start paying them down and off.

      • GSOB

        I suggest you read Matthew. Jesus is the Messiah.

        • SoCalBeachDude

          What does that assertion have to do with handling your finances responsibly and paying down your debt?

          • GSOB

            You have a debt you can not pay.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            You don’t even understand the concept of debt at all. Pitiful.

    • Gay Veteran

      Shemitah! LOL

  • JC Teecher

    Another report has stated that not only does N Korea have Hawaii in it’s crosshairs, but San Francisco as well. With all this threat coming from the little crazed porker from Poongtyang, it would be a prime time for another commie country to launch an EMP directly over the West Coast, or set off underground charges to throw the San Andreas into a cataclysmic series of events of biblical proportions.
    Something BIG is in the air for the West Coast that will shake the very foundations of life in America as a whole. Something is in the air for the coming pivotal changes in time this early Fall. Will it align and cause the coming judgment on the West Coast sooner, rather than later?
    Here is a snippet from an article written in April 2017, about this coming alignment that was talked about two years ago.
    “What Is The Revelation 12 Sign In 2017 Telling Us?” with the following question:
    In two years, there will be what seems to be exactly what Revelation 12 is picturing in the constellations. This is extremely rare, even more rare than the blood moon tetrads. I think this has only happened one other time in history, which is at the birth of Jesus. What do you think this says, if it’s too late for the 70th week to have started?
    Ahh, the “it’s very rare” card… It’s fitting he mentions the four blood moons/tetrads theory because rarity was the main argument of legitimacy for that theory, too. “

    • GSOB

      Revelation 12 has nothing to do with 2017 and the constellations.. Fulfilled

      • JC Teecher

        According to your sources, Rev is irrelevant for future prophetic events.

        • GSOB

          Stop hiding…

          Revelation 12 has nothing to do with 2017 and the constellations.. Fulfilled

          • JC Teecher

            I’m not hiding but I do have you hidden, until i choose to see your plunderings.
            nite nite.

          • GSOB

            Dreamer

          • JC Teecher

            Realist.

    • SoCalBeachDude

      What nonsensical hallucinatory nonsense.

    • Undecider

      If California falls into the ocean, will anyone care?

      • JC Teecher

        Well, I won’t care about all the filth part being gone, but I do feel for all the innocents that have to bear the fate with the wicked.

        • SoCalBeachDude

          The evil and wicked are all in Appalachia.

          • JC Teecher

            I doubt the other 49 would fold up and disappear if Californication disappeared.
            Sin City would look like a ghost town for a while and the drugs and prostitution would be cut in half, but the gambling would continue, and other than that, I don’t see much changing.

            In fact all that Colorado water that is wasted by Californicators in the city and the Beverly Hills elite, would grow a lot of food in Arizona, and would be healthier as well.
            Get a grip socialdud, you ain’t fooling anyone with your rants, you are a spoiled little basement dwelling trust fund punk, that has more personalities than an old Robin Williams doing a comedian character routine, while jacked on crack.

            My old friend that used to be a sales supervisor with one of the nations largest Security companies, who was over the crew that put a system in Robins last house in San Fran when he bought it, was with Robin there when the final deal was sealed, before the crew began installation. They became pretty good friends and later met again at a gathering, in which my friend played piano with Burt Bacharach.
            Too bad about RW, he was a hoot.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            California is now DROWNING IN EXCESS WATER with our lakes including Lake Tahoe NEAR CAPACITY and water is being dumped as fast as possible as the record snow melts accelerate. There are still massive amounts of snow all over California and the huge fear is for MAJOR FLOODING.

            As to agriculture here, we have been working for more than 60 years to TOTALLY ELIMINATE that sort of waste of valuable land and have nearly completely eradicated that here in Southern California and the next step is to get rid of it in the San Joaquin (Central) Valley area up north. Total agriculture accounts for less than 1.5% of the California economy and is totally unnecessary – not to mention unsightly – here and we and the US can import anything and everything we want in the way of food from other countries.

          • TOUJOURS DEMAIN

            Okay. SoCalBeachDude, when you say that “California is DROWNING IN EXCESS WATER” I guess that at least I no longer have to concern myself with these past articles from this site like the one from

            April 2nd, 2015 titled “How Many People Will Have To Migrate Out Of California When All The Water Disappears”

            and the one from

            March 15th, 2015 titled “California is Turning Back Into A Desert And There Are No Contingency Plans”

            and the one from

            July 15, 2014 titled “20 Signs The Epic Drought In The Western United States Is Starting To Become Apocalyptic”

            I think I will have a class of water.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Yep, but I think you mean a GLASS of water!

            Now, we’re having MASSIVE IMPENDING LAKE OVERFLOW articles such as:

            12 billion gallons of water pour into Lake Tahoe amid this week’s heat wave

            http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Lake-Tahoe-filling-up-snow-melt-run-off-Sierra-11242256.php

            Thank heavens we have the Pacific Ocean to drain scores of billions of gallons of water into very close!

          • JC Teecher

            San Diego is making a risky bet that may be ill-advised in a crisis. “Investing in desalination is not a good way to address a drought,” says Henry J. Vaux Jr., an emeritus water economist at UC Berkeley, “because by the time you finish it the drought is over.”

            That’s what happened to Santa Barbara, which began building a $34-million desalination plant during the drought-stricken 1980s. By the time it was completed in 1992, the rains had returned; the facility went through a few weeks of pilot testing, then was mothballed and partially dismantled. The city is now contemplating restarting it at a cost of $40 million, plus $5 million a year in operating costs. That would place the cost of desalinated water at about $3,000 an acre-foot and drive up average monthly household water bills to $108 from $78 today.

            Santa Barbara’s experience has been replicated on a much larger scale by Australia, which after 2006 invested more than $12 billion in six desalination plants — the largest of them twice the capacity of Carlsbad’s — only to mothball four in 2012, after returning rains overfilled the country’s reservoirs.

            Carlsbad: The Claude “Bud” Lewis Carlsbad Desalination Plant was constructed by Poseidon Resources and is the largest desalination plant in the United States when it went online December 14, 2015. It produces 50 million gallons a day to 110,000 customers throughout San Diego County at a reported cost of one billion dollars.
            Concord: Planned to open in 2020, producing 20 million gallons a day.[83]
            Monterey County: Sand City, two miles north of Monterey, with a population of 334, is the only city in California completely supplied with water from a desalination plant.
            Santa Barbara: The Charles Meyer Desalination Facility was constructed in Santa Barbara, California, in 1991–92 as a temporary emergency water supply in response to severe drought. While it has a high operating cost, the facility only needs to operate infrequently, allowing Santa Barbara to use its other supplies more extensively The plant is expected to be re-activated in the summer of 2016.

            Important note about the latest Desalinization Plant, to go online in California (the largest in the USA): At full capacity, the plant can only produce enough water to provide about 7 to 10% of the county’s potable water supply needs. With that comes high energy costs for operation, and dumping of heavy amounts of salt, back into the ocean with unknown effects.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            Yep, you got that 100% right, JCT! A++

      • SoCalBeachDude

        California is by far the most important state in the USA economically and would be the 6th largest country in the world if it were a separate country and has a $2.5 trillion a year economy which is vastly larger – by far – than any other state as well as more than 12% of the entire population of the USA.

        We have the wealthiest areas in the world where people live and the beautiful weather of any place in the world except the southern part of France.

        Your bizarre views of California are totally false and colored by the fact that you live in the poorest and most undesirable part of the USA there is anywhere in the USA.

    • SoCalBeachDude

      There are no credible reports of any sort whatsoever.

  • greanfinisher

    No matter how one slices it, a 17% approval rating is simply a vote of no confidence.

    • JC Teecher

      I had my posts go into moderation several times, so here goes again.
      The threat of a showdown with the n korean porky pol pot, is about to take a new step towards the direction of conflict. the possibilities of the actions of this slant eyed mad man could affect the USA for years to come as things are heating up.
      The last thing I am worried about right now is the stupid healthcare bill and who gets what.
      No one is going to die from a passage or non-passage of a stupid gov bill; but; an EMP over San Fran could cause millions to die.
      Reports are indicating that kju has made threats for that area, as well as hawaii. Time will tell, but something will go down before too long.

      • SoCalBeachDude

        There is no danger whatsoever regarding Korea.

      • TOUJOURS DEMAIN

        No chance of an EMP.

        I think I will cook some turkey brats on the grill.

        • JC Teecher

          Hope you are right about that, but something big is coming, and soon as…. in about three months from today.

          • TOUJOURS DEMAIN

            What is it you are referring to when you said “something big is coming”?

          • JC Teecher

            Well, you could call it a “gut feeling”, but; there are some things aligning up, that have not happened before in the history of the world.
            One of those for example, is the fact that a “secretive deal” was made by the odrama admin with regards to Syria and confirmed when Joe Biden visited Turkey back in August of last year to meet privately, on behalf of the US of A.
            Unbeknownst to most of the world, a deal was struck with Putin and Erodagan, to allow Turkey to basically control all of the territory east of the Euphrates river in Syria, as the surrogate for the US of A, so as to delay WW3. Russia was handed all territory west of the Euphrates.

            The conflicts are now increased as Turkey sees itself as the new leader of the Middle East as the head of the Sunni Nation with US of A backing and supposed ally. Russia sees itself as co-leader of the Middle East, with it’s ally Iran as the head of the Shiite Nation.

            Currently the changes are coming dramatically with the nation of Qatar being a monkey wrench thrown in.
            Recently reported:

            “Sharply escalating the worst diplomatic crisis among Gulf allies in decades, the Saudi led-alliance on Friday gave Qatar 10 days to comply with a list of demands, which included closing the state-funded broadcasting network, al-Jazeera, scaling back contact with Iran, removing Turkish troops from its soil and severing ties with the Muslim Brotherhood.

            Qatar has said it will not comply with the demands, and Erdoğan’s endorsement appeared to entrench Doha’s position – setting the scene for a showdown on 3 July.”

            Prophecy has always spelled out events that happen to come true. A great war along the river Euphrates has been prophesied to kill millions, if not billions, and it may begin soon and throw everything into a tail spin, like the world markets.

            In our struggling, debt ridden, economy; soaring gas prices and crashing stocks would be the judgment needed to turn the hearts of a non-repentant nation, back to God.

        • aldownunder

          you should get a countdown going

      • greanfinisher

        If war should occur, you can expect that a state of emergency (martial law) will be invoked in this country.

        • SoCalBeachDude

          Nope, and there will be no “war” in the US.

          • greanfinisher

            I was referring to a war between the USA and North Korea.

          • SoCalBeachDude

            The US already has multiple “wars” raging around the world in many countries. Why would yet another “war” with North Korea have anything to do with “martial law” in the US?

            As to North Korea, there will be no “war” whatsoever with it beyond the current cold war that has been going on with it for 57 years to this day.

            Five reasons why the US cannot attack North Korea like it did Syria

            The Korean Peninsula technically remains in a state of war. Fighting halted on July 27, 1953 under an armistice signed between Washington and Beijing. If the US initiated an attack, it would break the treaty endorsed by the United Nations.

            China is North Korea’s ally. In 1961, the two countries signed the Sino-North Korean Mutual Aid and Cooperation Friendship Treaty, in which both parties are obliged to offer immediate military and other assistance to the other in the case of an outside attack. This treaty has been prolonged twice, and is valid until 2021.

            http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2087904/five-reasons-why-us-cannot-attack-north-korea-it-did

    • SoCalBeachDude

      But individual Congress folks have 80% to 90% approval ratings by the own constituents which is a vote of huge confidence and Congress folks are not voted for by national elections but rather by local elections specific districts in the each of the states.

      • greanfinisher

        Personally, I would rate all of the politicians below a used car salesman.

  • JC Teecher

    The Salem Witch trials was a one time thing, and one of the founding fathers, a Christian, immediately took action to put a stop to such nonsense and murder.
    Twenty + people lost their lives and that was sad, but the full truth isn’t taught about all that, and ignorant people like yourself continue to make it seem like an ongoing practice, so you can bash Christians.

  • SoCalBeachDude

    The core principles of insurance are based on the RISK OF LOSS and the LAW OF LARGE NUMBERS in order to develop actuarily sound premiums that are affordable while maintaining solvency (and hopefully profitability) for the insurance companies that offer coverages. In order for those principles to be achieved there MUST BE SOUND UNDERWRITING AND EXCLUSION OF GUARANTEED AND CATASTROPHIC LOSSES or else insurance premiums would not be affordable and insurance companies would not be able to MAINTAIN SOLVENCY as they are required to do by all state laws which regulate all classes of insurance.

    The ACA violates the core principles of insurance which would result in extreme ADVERSE RISK SELECTION where those with guaranteed losses flock to obtain coverages which would very rapidly render all medical expense insurers INSOLVENT.

    The ACA is really just a COST SHIFTING MECHANISM from those with losses to a third party. If that third party were the US government, then that would be a different story. Unlike the federal government, insurance companies are NOT A BOTTOMLESS PIT OF LOSSES and cannot be for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is that they are not allowed to be by state laws regulating insurance companies which require SOLVENCY at all times.

    Moreover, it was always in BLATANT VIOLATION of McCarran-Ferguson Act.

    The sheer existence of the McCarran-Ferguson Act should have by itself rendered the “Affordable Care Act” (ObamaScare) NULL AND VOID as it is REGULATION BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY which is prohibited under the McCarran-Ferguson Act which remains in full force. Further details on that Act are at:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarran%E2%80%93Ferguson_Act

  • SoCalBeachDude

    One of the key problems in the US with delivery of and payment for medical services is that there are a NUMBER OF OVERLAPPING systems, including:

    1) Self-insurance by both companies for their employees and and by individuals

    2) Individual medical expense insurance with a variety of plans ranging for MAJOR MEDICAL coverages only to COMPREHENSIVE MEDICAL coverages

    3) Group medical expense insurance which operates differently in many respects from individual medical expense insurance

    4) Workers Compensation insurance which becomes primary for workers injured on the job in the course of employment and which has been expanded way beyond its original definition of injuries especially in terms of work cause illness and mental issues

    5) MEDICAID which operates differently in each state based on the design of state Medicaid plans which are partially but not completely subsidized by the federal Medicaid program. Some states offer extremely extensive coverages while other states do not offer any version of Medicaid for those unable to pay their own medical bills.

    6) Charity medical services including both CLINICS and HOSPITALS

    7) Medicare which has 4 separate parts and which applies only to those over 65 or persons who are on Social Security Disability. Medicare Part A has no premium for those who qualify and covers basic hospital services. Medicare Part B has an additional premium of $104.90 per month and covers doctors and other specified services and is deducted from Social Security payments for those who qualify and apply for it. Medicare Part C is an experimental option of Medicare A recipients and acts similar to Medicare Supplemental Insurance and while being phased out is still offered by such providers as SCAN, and Medicare Part D which is a huge complicated mess involving private insurers subsidized by the federal government for the purpose of pharmaceutical drug coverages,

    8) Private Medicare Supplemental Insurance which comes in a complex variety of FEDERALLY SPECIFIED plans Name “A” through “F” which offer certain specified additional benefits to Medicare Part A and Medicare Part B.

    9) ACA which throws the whole existing system of medical distribution and coverages into total and complete disarray by meddling with nearly all of the categories above and attempting to push the COSTS AND LOSSES onto private insurance companies along with penalties and high premiums for potential insureds.

  • SoCalBeachDude

    100% correct, Carrie, JCT is a real dullard.

    • JC Teecher

      You libturds need help, and it ain’t the kind you are gettin from fartblossom. That’s just more of the sameole libtard support group rhetoric, that we see on TV and social media all day, everyday.
      You know the kind like big follywood stars spew, as if their celebrity status makes them the final say so on everything from abortion to what should be done to trump.
      You people have a sickness that can’t be fixed by man. Only the blood of Jesus Christ can fix what ails ya. Better get ya some while the getting is still good.
      Teecher is not your enemy, just because he tells you truth.
      Your enemy is your own ignorant selves.
      Learn truth via the word, and learn to pray.

      • SoCalBeachDude

        You obviously don’t know truth even when it is put right in front of your face as you are so lost in your bizarre delusions, dude.

  • SoCalBeachDude

    Senate health-care bill faces serious resistance from GOP moderates

    A small group of moderate Republican senators, worried that their leaders’ health-care bill could damage the nation’s social safety net, may pose at least as significant an obstacle to the measure’s passage as their colleagues on the right.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/senate-health-care-bill-faces-serious-resistance-from-gop-moderates/2017/06/24/d6d8cf2e-584d-11e7-ba90-f5875b7d1876_story.html

  • mtntrek3

    COSTS……. must be brought down. Livable wage jobs a must and more of them. Let’s start with those two and carry on from there. ……. Then again, too tall an order is my fear on both counts. ………….

    • JC Teecher

      Good morning Chris. Hope you and yours are well.
      I also hope you aren’t mad at me for telling you the truth about straddling the fence on liberalism and supporting it’s anti-God platform by voting demoncrat in the past.
      Sometimes the truth is a hard pill to swallow, when looked at with a clear Christian conscience at the forefront. I have no doubt you are sincere in your Christian walk, but it was my duty to make the points about the danger in being a democrat supporter.
      My old friend sister soldier has the same issue, and reluctantly changed her position from an o-drama supporter, to trump, but continually bashes trump as if she is torn between her faith and truth and aligning with her self-proclaimed sisters in Christ that voted overwhelmingly….93% of them, for Hitlery.
      It isn’t my problem nor my struggle, but as a Christian teacher, I have to point out these things for other folks benefit to see more clearly the facts, and blessings or cursings that come from our decisions.
      Have a good and blessed day.

    • SoCalBeachDude

      The intensification of the GRAND GLOBAL DEPRESSION is already bringing down costs substantially, particularly n areas related to energy and food and that will spread to many other areas of the US economy as asset bubbles collapse into heaps of dust!

  • JC Teecher

    This, coming from a liberal that just said….” No one who disapproves of war should have to pay for war. No one who loves poverty should have to pay into Planned Parenthood,”

    So as an American, you want the benefits of living free, but do not think you should have to pay your part for our military that keeps us free and safe.
    You claim there are benefits from abortion, because your underlying defense of abortion is that it mainly kills off African American babies, that are in your opinion, the problem called poverty?

    In your opinion without validity, you have just proved that you are insulting about 65% of Americans that support our military and doing away with Abortion..aka Planned (non) Parenthood.
    This is America, even with all it’s faults;
    Love It, Or Leave It!

    • Gay Veteran

      “…do not think you should have to pay your part for our military that keeps us free and safe….”

      they aren’t keeping us “free and safe” fighting in Syria

  • SoCalBeachDude
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  • SoCalBeachDude

    Donnie doesn’t go down to Mar-a-Lago every weekend and last weekend spent it at that rundown old mess of a place, Camp David!

  • JC Teecher

    At least you have an opinion, rather than following on the heels of ScBDud.

  • SoCalBeachDude

    Senate Republicans face key week as more senators waver in their support for health care bill

    Senate Republicans and the White House are facing down an increasingly daunting challenge to secure the votes necessary to pass legislation before the July 4 congressional recess that would make dramatic changes to [the ACA]…

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/senate-republicans-face-key-week-as-more-senators-waiver-in-their-support-for-health-care-bill/2017/06/25/1724f3ec-59ba-11e7-a9f6-7c3296387341_story.html

  • J.j. Cintia

    Its no mystery why the GOPe dopes cannot pass a bill. They don’t want to. These crooks make money by selling favors and access. Having healthcare to dole out and reward donors makes them money and could give them cushy jobs if and when they get dumped by voters. Its all a scam. There wasn’t any need for government intervention. The media shilled a sob story about po oppressed people not seeing doctors and they rammed this through. No one went without care before. The ERs were flooded by people scamming the system. They are still flooded. This whole scheme is just another revenue stream they can exploit at your expense. These crooks aren’t governing anything. They are looting basically. Selling out America for fun and profit.

    • SoCalBeachDude

      False. The reason is because the cost to do government subsidized medical expense coverage is ENORMOUS and there are already MULTIPLE OVERLAPPING SYSTEMS and the scope of that undertaking is IMMENSE with costs in the TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS over the next 10 years.

      Moreover, one side of the political spectrum wants the federal government TOTALLY OUT OF MEDICAL EXPENSE COVERAGES while the other side wants the GOVERNMENT ALL THE WAY IN WITH SO-CALLED UNIVERSAL COVERAGE FOR EVERYONE.

      If you think coming up with any solution given that backdrop is even possible, then you are simply not even beginning to understand the scope of the problem and the variety of perspectives in play.

  • SoCalBeachDude

    It was actually just a ONE NIGHT STAND the weekend before last and then he got the heck out that dump ASAP!

  • SoCalBeachDude

    Laughably false. North Korea is not of the slightest bit of concern to “Americans or America, but the medical expense matters are very much of concern to all Americans and are one of the most critical issues facing America at this time.

  • JC Teecher

    You got that right, “minority” as we “true” Christians are a select few, and don’ t follow along with the masses of sheeple that are lost and wandering without a Shepherd.

    You and beechdud can have the world and all the things with it that are soon to pass from existence.

    My “outdated opinions” as you call them are based on the word of God that lives for eternity. they seem antiquated to you and your worldly loving types, that claim they “lean” towards conservatism, yet in all reality you support and condone liberal ideologies like abortion and homosexuality with its disease and death of the sanctity of marriage.
    Your warped idea of worldly life/materialism, and lack of moral values is the problem.
    I have read your views and opinions here for a long time and don’t have any reservations as to where you stand on the issues.
    It is your life, and you are free to waste it as you please, but God forbid you have children and are rearing them with your un-Godly ideology, that you see as being right because it is the ways of the, “majority”.

    • Gay Veteran

      “…You got that right, “minority” as we “true” Christians are a select few….”

      yeah, because you’re sooooo special, as in short school bus special

  • Stuey

    Very well said!!

  • dlewenz

    Notice the bill does not address any of the key cost to consumers! Out of pocket deductions stay the same! Insurance selling across state lines not in the bill! Tort reform not in the bill. What we have is Obama Care with order of bacon and toast!

    • SoCalBeachDude

      Insurers CANNOT SELL ACROSS STATE LINES as all insurance across all 21 lines of insurance is and has always been STATE REGULATED by individual state insurance commissions.

  • Leif Erickson

    Survival of the fittest. Darwinism. Natural selection. Just as nature intended. It’s coming anyway once the economy collapses.

  • infamouscrimes

    What have you got against abortion? It’s the single most effective harm preventing procedure there is.

  • JC Teecher

    The new Healthcare Plan is far from perfect, and comes short of replacing Obamacare, which has to go, one way or the other because of what is hidden within its pages, that can be used as more measures of control against Americans, under the coming New World Order style of dictatorship gov.
    Since its inception, the ACA has caused an increase of over 30% of Medicaid recipients, which amounts to over 11 million new additional people signing up . Not however in our state, as legislators voted against accepting Federal funds for the expansion of the Medicaid Program. Their position was that if they accepted and expanded to those folks that did “not” qualify for insurance programs under the ACA, and then later the Federal funds were not there to help support those newly receiving the benefits, then the state would have to support those with its own funds until they could be phased off Medicaid, or just dropped without notice. To some this sounds cruel, and to others this sounds like fiscal responsibility.
    Obamacare is self imploding and only the upper middle class will be able to afford to purchase without huge gov subsidies. Here is a list of a few that have already announced proposed premium increases for 2018.
    In MD, Carefirst Blue Cross & Blue Shield (BCBS) proposes a 52% increase.
    NY, BCBS of western NY a 49% increase.
    VA, Cigna 45%
    CT, Anthem 34%
    DE, BCBS 34%
    The list of states that have little or no Insurance Company participation is growing.
    A final point: The opposition on the Repub side is coming mainly from Senators, and Governors that have huge numbers of voters signed onto Medicaid in their states, and if those beneficiaries are phased off, before their re-election comes around, they fear losing those votes and their cushy jobs. Just sayin’.

    • SoCalBeachDude

      Yes, ObamaScare is certainly SELF-IMPLODING!

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  • SoCalBeachDude
  • SoCalBeachDude

    Trump goes after Democrats again for Obamacare obstruction after senator who White House touted as a potential partner says president hasn’t contacted him

    ‘Republican Senators are working very hard to get there, with no help from the Democrats. Not easy! Perhaps just let OCare crash & burn!’ the president said on Twitter.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4640286/Trump-goes-Democrats-Obamacare-obstruction.html

  • SoCalBeachDude

    ‘I’m not going to allow people, detractors and Trump haters, to call me a liar,’ says Kellyanne as she explains Medicaid ‘cuts’ are just reductions in the rate of growth

    Kellyanne Conway pushed back Monday morning against allegations that she lied when she said the Senate health care bill didn’t include Medicaid cuts.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4639846/Kellyanne-Medicaid-cuts-just-reductions-growth.html

  • SoCalBeachDude

    Three GOP Senators Needed to Defeat Trumpcare

    Senate members include 52 Republicans and 48 Democrats.

    Three GOP lawmakers are needed to oppose the Senate version of Trumpcare only healthcare industry predators and America’s rich can love. All 48 Dems oppose it.

    Written by industry lobbyists, it increases already unaffordable healthcare costs for most Americans, guts vitally needed Medicaid, eliminates Obamacare taxes on business and wealthy Americans, while cutting tax credits for low-income households.

    The nation’s poor, elderly, disabled, and others with preexisting condition are harmed the most – a majority of US citizens.

    Trumpcare is a thinly veiled scheme to free up funds for greater militarism and warmaking, along with exclusively benefitting business and high-net-worth households at the expense of most others.

    http://rense.com/general96/3GOPSenators.html

  • SoCalBeachDude

    HR 1628 Discussion Draft – Senate Budget Committe

    https://www.budget.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/SENATEHEALTHCARE.pdf

  • SoCalBeachDude

    Senate leaders try to bolster GOP health-care bill with incentive for consumers to stay insured

    Senate leaders worked Monday to modify their plan to overhaul the Affordable Care Act, adding a provision that would penalize consumers for not keeping their plans, by imposing a six-month waiting provision before they could re-enroll.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/senate-leaders-try-to-bolster-gop-health-care-bill-with-incentive-for-consumers-to-stay-insured/2017/06/26/73f77330-5a85-11e7-9b7d-14576dc0f39d_story.html

  • Bernie Bellew

    The ultimate goal of all of this health care wrangling has one objective in mind: reduce the number of “have nots” by letting them die sooner than later.

    • SoCalBeachDude

      Absolutely false.

  • Gay Veteran

    Debating about health insurance is a TOTAL waste of time!
    The problem is not health insurance, the problem is high health care costs due to the Feds and states not enforcing anti-trust laws and consumer protection laws. Enforce the laws and costs will drop by up to 80%.

    • SoCalBeachDude

      100% correct, GV A+++++++++++++++++++

  • Bruce

    When it comes to health care free market principles is what we do have and look where it has gotten us. The evidence is overwhelming that a free market health care system won’t work. Because greed takes over the market and soon enough everyone losses every thing should they get sick.
    Germany, France the U.K., Canada and many more countries have government supplied health care and they have no where near the problems or expense we have in this country. We know so called Free Market health care DOES NOT work so why in hell would we want to keep trying something that has proven over and over to be disastrous? Insanity is described as trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results!! Free Market principles worked real well with the pharmaceutical industry to didn’t it ???
    Any further discussion on this matter is futile and childish for the evidence is overwhelming. I absolutely refuse to play an idiots game!!

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