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The Global Commodity Crash Tells Us That A Major Deflationary Financial Crisis Is Imminent

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Global - Public DomainIf we really are plunging into a deflationary global financial crisis, we would expect to see commodity prices crash hard.  That happened just before the great stock market crash of 2008, and that is precisely what is happening once again right now.  On Thursday, the Bloomberg Commodity Index closed at 79.1544.  The last time that it closed this low was 16 years ago.  Not even during the worst moments of the last recession did it ever get so low.  Overall, the Bloomberg Commodity Index is down more than 28 percent over the past 12 months, and it has plummeted by more than half since mid-2011.  As a result of this stunning commodity collapse, extremely large mining companies such as Anglo American are imploding, giant commodity trading firms such as Glencore and Trafigura are in full-blown crisis mode, and huge portions of the global financial system are in danger of utterly collapsing.

In recent days, I have been trying to stress that many of the exact same patterns that we witnessed just prior to the great stock market crash of 2008 are happening once again.  This includes the staggering crash of commodity prices that we are currently witnessing, and even CNN acknowledges that there are parallels to what we experienced seven years ago…

The last time raw materials like copper and oil were this cheap, an economic depression loomed just around the corner.

It’s no secret that commodities in general have had a horrendous 2015. A nasty combination of overflowing supply and soft demand has wreaked havoc on the industry.

But prices for everything from crude oil to industrial metals like aluminum, steel, copper, platinum, and palladium have collapsed even further in recent days.

As I mentioned above, this crash in prices is hitting mining companies really hard.  Just this week, the fifth largest mining company in the entire world announced a massive restructuring and will be laying off tens of thousands of workers…

In the latest example of just how bad things have gotten, Anglo American–the world’s fifth largest miner–just kitchen sink-ed it, announcing a sweeping restructuring, a massive round of layoffs, and a dividend cut. The company will reduce its assets by some 60% while headcount will be cut by a whopping 85,000 or, nearly two-thirds. 

Overall, the U.S. has lost approximately 123,000 good paying jobs from the mining sector since the end of 2014.  And if commodity prices stay low, this sector is going to continue to bleed good paying jobs.

Meanwhile, investors have been dumping the debt of any companies that have anything to do with commodities.  This has significantly contributed to the emerging junk bond crisis that I discussed in my last article.  As I write this, a high yield bond ETF known as JNK has fallen all the way down to 34.31, which is the lowest that it has been since the last recession.  For much more on the junk bond implosion, I would encourage you to read an article that Wolf Richter just put out entitled “Bond King Gets Antsy as Junk Bonds, Which Lead Stocks, Spiral to Heck“.

So why are commodity prices falling so rapidly?

Many analysts are pointing to the economic slowdown in China as the primary reason.  For years, the Chinese economy voraciously gobbled up commodities from sources all over the planet, but now things are changing.  The Chinese economy is really, really slowing down, and some recently released numbers give us some clues as to the true extent of that slowdown…

-Chinese exports fell 6.8 percent in November on a year over year basis after being down 6.9 percent on a year over year basis in October.

-Chinese imports were down 8.7 percent in November on a year over year basis.

-Chinese manufacturing activity has been contracting for nine months in a row.

-Last week, the China Containerized Freight Index plummeted to 718.58 – the lowest level ever recorded.

And of course it isn’t just China.  Goldman Sachs says that the seventh largest economy on the entire planet, Brazil, has plunged into a “depression“.  And as I pointed out the other day, of the 93 largest stock market indexes in the entire world, an astonishing 47 of them (more than half) are down at least 10 percent year to date.

Even though stocks slid in the U.S. this week, the major indexes still seem somewhat stable.  But this is a bit of an illusion.  Yes, the biggest names on Wall Street are still flying high for the moment, but shares of a multitude of smaller and mid-size firms have been plummeting.  At this point, nearly 70 percent of all U.S. stocks are already below their 200 day moving averages.  This is yet another thing that we would expect to see just before the bottom falls out for stocks.

Everything that I have been writing about this week (see here and here) is perfectly consistent with all of my warnings from earlier this year.

We are plunging into a deflationary financial crisis in textbook fashion.  And if the Federal Reserve actually does decide to go ahead with an interest rate hike next week that is just going to make things even worse.

But most people are not patient enough to watch a process play out.  Most people that write about “the coming economic collapse” hype it up like it is going to be some sort of big Hollywood blockbuster that is going to happen over a week or a month and then be over.  That is definitely not the way that I see things.

To me, “the economic collapse” is something that has been happening for decades, that is still in the process of happening right now, and that will continue to happen as we move forward into the future.  The long-term trends that are ripping our economy to shreds continue to intensify, and our leaders are not doing anything to fix our underlying fundamental problems.

And the financial crisis that I warned would start during 2015 and accelerate in 2016 has already begun.  More than half of all major global stock market indexes are down by at least 10 percent year to date, and some of them have plummeted by more than 30 or 40 percent.  Trillions of dollars of wealth has been wiped out around the globe, and this is just the beginning.

All of the numbers tell us the same thing.

Big trouble is ahead.

My job is to inform you of these things.  What you choose to do with this information is up to you.

  • Mondobeyondo

    Where are we headed? Think 1929-38, only much, much worse.

    Depressions are no fun, whether they are inflationary or deflationary. Do you want to burn to death, or freeze to death? The good news is that in a deflationary depression, prices for many items become very cheap. The bad news is you won’t have any money to buy anything (unless you were very wise and saved beforehand), and no jobs available to earn any money to buy anything.

    • Mad Monkey

      Yeah mate 1929 depression was ‘training exercise’ compared to what is coming, I see the economic debt fueled bubble currently crashing preempted by commodity crashing. It is bubbles in bubbles from manufacturing to housing to autos junk bonds etc etc. not just one sector.
      Money has no where to go especially the QE dollars it is like a dog chasing it’s tail – this has resulted in all sectors overheated.
      The deflation hits to inflation once faith in the fiat currencies fail. QE always end up in hyperinflation – this time it will be short lived and everything comes to a grinding halt like a 6 month bank holiday after which there is no recovery bu civil war and world war.

      • Bill G Wilminton NC

        well said………..thanks

      • Steeve Girard

        Of course QE did not work, it was designed to blow a sleeping account, by flooding. They just found recently that the sleeping account was in the US Treasury backyard, and that it is an endless pit. So why maintain an utter failure? It is madness.

      • SunnyFlaSnotress

        You’ll get a stock crash and more foreclosures. Some rural areas will get depressed.
        Not that big a deal unless you just want to sit on your hands and whine.. which of course most of this board wants to.

        • Evil_shadow

          some? id say that most of the urban area in major cities will look like detroit or any other hellhole…

        • GSOB

          Its the evil in man that follows judgment and then they will be punished too.

      • merrileerj

        Well said! For those who have a brain to listen, good points.

      • Bill G Wilminton NC

        Well said…………….cud be.

    • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

      Well said Mondo. :)

      Michael

      • GSOB

        Psalm 145:9

        The LORD is good to all; he has compassion on all he has made.

        Deuteronomy 4:7

        What other nation is so great as to have their gods near them the way the LORD our God is near us whenever we pray to him?

        • loverboy

          Yes unless you die an unsaved sinner, then you get to burn for all eternity.

          • Ricardo

            You don’t burn for all eternity just as long as it takes for eternity to burn you up. And compared to eternity how long do you think it would take for you to burn up ? Maybe a fraction of a second. Now Satan on the other hand will be the very last one to burn up. Don’t let fear take over. Where there is sin, grace does more abound.

          • alan

            So what are ghosts doing?

          • GSOB

            I don’t believe sinners suffer alive for all the rest of eternity. That would make God’s justice an injustice.

        • afchief

          Matthew 6:33 (NASB) But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

          We Christians have the promises of God to stand on!!!

          • Gay Veteran

            seek forgiveness of your war crimes

          • afchief

            You need to seek forgiveness of your lifestyle. It is sin and will lead you to hell.

          • Gay Veteran

            hey Pharisee, if there is any justice after death then you will face those you help murder in Iraq

          • afchief

            Negative Mr Packs the Fudge!!! I didn’t kill anyone in Iraq and Jesus said you have to be born again to get to heaven. I am born again!!!

            Are you?

          • Gay Veteran

            you must be born again with no brain.

            and how dare you invoke Jesus when YOU support war crimes

          • GSOB

            from whom shall he seek it?

          • Gay Veteran

            hey, here’s an idea, how about forgiveness from his victims?

        • SunnyFlaSnotress

          Every other nation that says the same thing.

          • GSOB

            But, who do you say that He is?

        • merrileerj

          Amen!!

    • GSOB

      Matthew 6:32

      • Gay Veteran

        parrot

        • GSOB

          Yes, these laws are made to identify as sinners all who are immoral and impure: homosexuals, kidnappers, liars, and all others who do things that contradict the glorious Good News of our blessed God, whose messenger I am.

          • Gay Veteran

            don’t you have a street corner to pray loudly at?

          • GSOB

            You want me to get lost?

          • Gay Veteran

            I want you to start thinking for yourself, and to stop being a parrot

    • CASTIEL

      in the great depression of the 30s…not all countries were affected by that crisis….a lot of economies were closed to the world…in that time the soviet union had a growing economy and others countries like spain portugal etc were not affected…but this time its all the countries of the world.This globalization its what will make this crisis much worse than 1929…..and if a world war starts it will be much worse than ww1 and ww2 together.In the beginning of the last century most people lived in rural areas…they all know how to hunt, how to cultivate…..in the end how to survive…..now most people will get nuts if the internet is over.

      • Liberty First

        True, though those people back then did not have access to the information we have today. Maybe good, maybe bad.

        • Bill G Wilminton NC

          In those days company’s either made a profit or not and was very easy to read a statement. 0 interest money has forced all natural laws of finance out of business. As interest rates go down double up your loans……just one example. This is all a business model designed by the Man of Perdition of the New World order.

          • Liberty First

            Pretty much agreed, though I would suggest it started well before Obama (the general rigging of the system). He certainly accelerated it.

          • Bill G Wilminton NC

            Yes I agree….it all accelerated over the last 35 years….it is now a financial system of fools.

          • Liberty First

            I think we are about to start seeing the results in earnest over the next few years : (

          • Bill G Wilminton NC

            All to usher in NWO….the system designed by The Man of Perdition…this is a Spiritual battle…I am a man of The Bible and believe in The Rapture….Jesus please come soon.

            After what Trump had to say about stopping the invasion of Muslims….he is a HERO and putting himself in harms way….just like the marines doing the beach invasions WW2 Pacific theater.

            Lindsay Graham SC speaking on TV just hung a sign on his neck it says HI I AM A TRAITOR and the sign never comes OFF till he can’t even get elected to dog catcher in the State of South Carolina. Instead of supporting Trump on the no more muslims he went full tilt denigrating TRUMP and even said Trump should go to h.ll . NOTICE TO MR GRAHAM you are finished ! You are a TRAITOR. Your big mouth finally finished you but you will make a good BARKER at the circus when they come to SC.

          • SunnyFlaSnotress

            Trump won’t win.

          • Bill G Wilminton NC

            Haha then we will get the leader that we deserve……God has a way of doing that.
            That is how we got the current one.

          • GSOB

            He appoints all in two senses:
            One, He allows the people to have quail, all they think they want and then some more, at times. (Pun intended)
            TWO: Jesus Christ is appointed judge over all. That is a direct appointment.
            This is His word as promise. Every Knee shall…..

          • Bill G Wilminton NC

            To continue to converse what is your faith and what is your BIBLE what is your statement of faith ? There are plenty other people who have time to dance my ticket is full….I am being polite but realistic, thanks await your answer…thanks again.

          • GSOB

            You tell me?

          • Megalon

            Easy. You are an apostate, Whether through ignorance or by willfully misinterpreting scripture, you are an instrument of Satan and should be ignored. Have a great day!

          • GSOB

            I hope that you are correct.

          • The GOOSE

            You’re guessing Einstein, you don’t know. You’re going to be 100% right, or 100% wrong.

          • Jerry C

            Of course he will win. LUITPOS will go to the U.N. to become king of the world, Trump will undo a lot of what LUITPOS did and TPTB will then crash the system. Voila! LUITPOS comes out looking like a rose while everyone can blame those darn bard Republicans! It’s all a sham. LUITPOS will have exactly 3 1/2 years to do his evil before he’s thrown alive into the Lake of Fire. Time will tell.

          • SunnyFlaSnotress

            Really? Where in the Bible does it say “the USA will suffer great economic despair in 2016″?

          • Gay Veteran

            indeed

          • Bill G Wilminton NC

            In the book of Revelation there is a distinct absence of anything resembling the USA.

            The clock is a living clock named Israel certain events must happen before the Tribulation begins.

            Read the Bible it is all in there but one simple prophecy as example…. there will be one gov, one religion, and one currency.

            You do not have to be Biblical or a rocket scientist to see that shaping up presently. NWO is gov, the USA currency collapse is ongoing and if you were literate in religions you would know of happenings like Chrislam or the Pope traveling the world on his ecumenical venue.

            I am not a preacher but a Bible based journalistic financial researcher. Be your own researcher and prove out your own beliefs.

          • GSOB

            The great trib has come and gone.
            The USA is known by God because He has established her boundaries, just like with any other nation.
            Your beliefs about the sovereignty of God are not in harmony with the Scriptures. God has blessed America because our leaders then honored Him.
            Our Constitution is most sublime because they knew God and the sinfulness of man. That’s why they incorporated a check and balance system within the branches of our government.
            Christ is the center of the Bible and the purpose of all creation, redemption and – He is on the throne now.
            All authority already has been given to Him.

          • Bill G Wilminton NC

            God Blessed America in many many ways but America has turned its back on God and God is taking His Hands of protection OFF America.

            The Tribulation cannot start until the Holy Spirit leaves the earth. And The Holy Spirit lives in US. So until we leave the earth in the Rapture the man of perdition will not appear or show himself.

            What Bible do you read and what faith are you a member of ?

          • GSOB

            Who was the first Christian martyr?

          • Jerry C

            Nowhere does it say the Holy Spirit. God’s Word says restrainer and you interpret that to mean Holy Spirit. You should speak less on your interpretations and more on what God’s Word actually says.

          • Bill G Wilminton NC

            Jerry C….does the Holy Spirit live in us, if so, when we leave at The Rapture so does The Holy Spirit….so do I have The Restrainer and The Holy Spirit in me or is The Restrainer another name for The Holy Spirit.

            Maybe you do not believe in The Rapture…..waiting for your thoughts and thanks for sharing.
            Shalom

          • Jerry C

            Bill G… I agree with much of what you say & previously stated (Nephilim, hybrids, human DNA required; hence, Yeshua becoming a Kinsman Redeemer). My point was to note that God stated restrainer. It is only our interpretation as to who the restrainer is. I believe the restrainer to be Michael the arch angel. Just a difference in opinion. God bless.

          • Bill G Wilminton NC

            Jerry, Michael as restrainer great point I got to think on tha…t but what does Yeshua becoming Kinsman Redeemer mean ?
            Shalom

          • GSOB

            From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty. And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”

          • GSOB

            God’s Wrath against Sin
            For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 1because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.…

          • GSOB

            The Potter and the Clay
            …Then the word of the LORD came to me saying, “Can I not, O house of Israel, deal with you as this potter does?” declares the LORD. “Behold, like the clay in the potter’s hand, so are you in My hand, O house of Israel. “At one moment I might speak concerning a nation or concerning a kingdom to uproot, to pull down, or to destroy it;…

          • GSOB

            Job Loses his Health
            …Then his wife said to him, “Do you still hold fast your integrity? Curse God and die!” But he said to her, “You speak as one of the foolish women speaks. Shall we indeed accept good from God and not accept adversity?” In all this Job did not sin with his lips.

          • Steeve Girard

            Dude not this!…. And Abraham said to all people, drop on your knees and “praise” my God (suck Abraham’s wiener). It’s a cult, wake up from it.

          • GSOB

            Good question!
            It don’t.

          • GSOB

            Have you a verse already selected to recite while engaged in your death bed?

            Mine is this….

            Oh Lord Jesus…

            Psalm 23:4
            What you think?
            You got one?

          • merrileerj

            Well said Bill. For those who read the Holy Bible they see what was predicted & what is coming. Woe to those of ignorance.

          • Bill G Wilminton NC

            Most people don’t know The Bible contrary to our founding Fathers……also most people are not aware that most of the IVY Leaque Universities; Harvard Princeton etc were all founded as Bible colleges.

            That should make some people just squirm……haha lol.

          • GSOB

            The great trib has come and gone.

          • GSOB

            Yeah, but this one is custom tailored, strictly for you.

          • Gay Veteran

            bilge

          • Bill G Wilminton NC

            No time to waste on Buffoonery.

          • Gay Veteran

            Bible Buffoonery

      • Bill G Wilminton NC

        well said……………..

      • NowAlive

        I somewhat agree with you, at least the premise. Historically the narrative is a bit skewed. Spain was in one of the most horrible civil wars the Earth has ever seen. In fact, they had a proxy war going on between different world powers. The Soviet Union was “growing” because they fixed their unemployment rates like the US does, but different….they murdered 10 million of their own citizens (this apparently dramatically decreases unemployment), stole property from private property owners, and “grew” from their with essentially slave labor with the citizens working in front of gun barrels. I hope we never see that kind of “growth”.

        • Steeve Girard

          Eternal “Growth” is the disease, because things should “grow” to the size of their environment, never exceed it. That means when the rational limits are reached, we should ride the “wave”, never try to get above it.

      • Bill G Wilminton NC

        All by design…..not accident.

        • CharlesH

          I somewhat agree but differ for this reason. I believe everyone tends to want to push the envelope as far as they can. Sane minds know when to stop or back off. The problem I see is that most people in charge today – at least here in the U.S. – are psychologically unbalanced – bordering on psychotic. They’ll push that envelope as far as they possibly can but never ever realizing there are consequences when they push it off the edge. The consequences are what we’re heading into – we’re literally heading into the outer wall of the biggest, baddest damn hurricane that has ever hit the global financial system. 08-09’s Great Recession was the first wall to hit – then we entered the eye – now we’re heading straight into that outer wall. Hold on folks, this will be hugely nasty and I believe deadly for many.

          • Bill G Wilminton NC

            Well said…….but trust in God and The Rapture is Coming.

          • Steeve Girard

            If finite resource collapsing previsions are right, we should see that around 2030.

          • Bill G Wilminton NC

            Well said………..

        • CASTIEL

          I dont know…The greed of people its like the hunger of multiple rats in a farm…they eventually end by destroy everything….of course some actions are prepared but those people dont think in the consequences, they are so arrogant that think they are invencible… but onr fact its true : there is reaction to action….and we will face the consequences….because the politicians are not the only ones to blame…but the people who dont stand up and fight….they are like litlle sheeps or brainwashed zombies.

          • Bill G Wilminton NC

            My friend well said……Trust in Jesus, read your Bible……Jesus is coming for those who love Him and live by His commandments…..if you do not have a Bible get one and read a little bit each day…..it is like a direct hi voltage line to God and you refuel this way.
            God Bless

          • Lazarovic

            Christ is Born, Merry Christmas Bill.
            Wilmington is a nice town.

          • Bill G Wilminton NC

            Thank you Sir and Merry Christmas to You and Your family

          • Steeve Girard

            They (The elite) cannot win against a finite world, eventually every energy system runs out. Our world is ruled by thermodynamics, not Fantasy Island’s mister Fantastic.

          • CASTIEL

            every energy systems runs out…………how the energy created by wind can end? or by water? there are several counties in niorth europe that 60 % of their ennergy are created by water or wind…..so….i dont understand what you mean by fantasy island……but you dont know what are you talking about…..

          • Steeve Girard

            It’s created by the sun, a big thermonuclear ball, that will run out of hydrogen fuel in 5 billion years (approximately).

            The laws decided by man, does not follow the laws of Nature, therefore, makes it a fantasy.

          • CASTIEL

            …..you really think that mankind will survive 5 billions years? a lot of countries with nuclear arsenal enough to destroy the world several times and you think we will reach to see the sun die? that my friend its being super hiper optimistic…The true is mankind have weapons to destroy nature….so its not a fantasy.

          • Steeve Girard

            No, no species have survived more than 5 million years without any major change. I think evolution will happen, and we will go extinct, or bloom into new species.

          • CASTIEL

            if the accopalypse happens….i dont think new species of us will be created…my friend the human race will not survive another 1000 years….in 2000 years our population increased from 300 milion to 7.5 bilion and in the past 200 years increased the double….you are talikng about the sun but remenber water food its what will run out in a few years…..there no enough natural recourses for everybody….so war will be inevitable….the stupidity of human being will never end….

          • Steeve Girard

            Of course it will, that is also caused by laws of Thermodynamics. Energy is present in different forms. Some of them are critical, like food and water.

          • CASTIEL

            if a nuclear war happens…like China Russia Europe USA exchange payloads of nuclear arsenal….nothing will survive…..even some species survive the blast…the radiation will kill them…..water will be indrinkible……there will be no food….you remember prypiat from 1986 in Russia….even after 30 years theres nothing in that zone……and only provoced by a leak of radiation….now imagine what a nuclear weapon could do. its just a question of time….could be not tomorrow in the next 10 years or 50 but will happen…..I think you dont believe in God by the facts you defend….but in the end….he rules the nature

          • Steeve Girard

            Apparently you have not seen documentaries about the area (Prypiat) since the Human Evacuation… alltho it’s toxic for humans, it seems that short live lifeforms are prospering, to the point it turned back to a forest marsh. So much for power of your God. Nature is more powerful than any of us, or any of our concepts and constructions we made to dominate it.

          • CASTIEL

            i v seen the documentaries…..Yes nature is more powerful than any of us..but even so very fragile..some live lifeforms are prospering because after 30 km from chernobyl you have a world clean …..clean rain….that will not kill the forests.. how many species will survive without forests or water??????.i think you are the one who thinks theres nothing above us……thinking we will survive another 5 billion years….

          • Steeve Girard

            Nope you did not get it.

          • Jerry C

            God’s Wrath of Trumpet & Bowl judgements will put your Nature to shame and the world will be put on notice who actually sustains life.

          • Steeve Girard

            What? A long dead Mesopotamian’s wiener, will dictate over Nature? You cultists really do not get it, Nature is everywhere, it’s laws were established at least 14 billion years ago, and you dare to say that humans on a “Holy” mission, will dictate it what to do. Bullcrap!

          • merrileerj

            God loves you, please investigate this before it is too late.

      • fnd111

        In the great depression of the ’30s…not all countries were affected by
        that crisis….a lot of economies were closed to the world…in that
        time the Soviet Union had a growing economy and others countries like Spain, Portugal, etc. were not affected…but this time it is all the
        countries of the world.This globalization its what will make this crisis
        much worse than 1929…..and if a world war starts it will be much
        worse than WWI and WWII together. In the beginning of the last century
        most people lived in rural areas…they all knew how to hunt, how to
        cultivate…..in the end how to survive…..now most people will get
        nuts if the internet is over.

        • CASTIEL

          whats your objective with that copy and paste?

          • fnd111

            The Grammar Police! “A philosopher once said, “Half of good philosophy
            is good grammar.” ~A. P. Martinich.

          • CASTIEL

            Really? we are discussing important facts and you post criticizing my grammar???? first of things my native language its not english….and second if you were smart enough you wouldn t need thoughts of others…to have ideals….to me you are just one of the billions of idiots that walks in this rotten world….congratulations for that.

    • Jazz

      Lmao. Dow is headed to 25k. No recession, never mind a depression anywhere in sight. The only depression will be those who are depressed because they missed the bull market as it continues into 2017.

      • Green tip

        Hey jazz why is it always and I mean always that your hyping the positive? Don’t get me wrong I like your perspective, it gets tiresome always reading negative things relating to prepping and such. But I have to admit more than once I thought to myself that maybe you have an agenda and are being paid to post here. If I am wrong I apologize

        • Jazz

          Gee wiz I wish I got paid to post lol. I have said in the past and I will repeat it. I see the glass as half full – a collapse will eventually come for the US. I see it being at least 2-3 years out. I see the US bull market lasting until at least 2017. Yes we will have corrections like we saw in August but the markets are going much much higher before a major fall.

          • Bill G Wilminton NC

            Will keep you posted on your previews…….

          • Watchman

            Stop trying to sound like you know what you are talking about Zazz. Funny how whenever there is market turmoil you don’t show up. Funny how your predictions don’t pan out and don’t work. Now that you are such a failure you can go back to that troll hole you call a troll farm.

      • Creepy Pedro

        Cocaine is still one hell of a drug.

        • Jazz

          Well you seem to be on it because you are clueless about economics/finances.

          • Creepy Pedro

            Im up 77% this year, so I know a little about that stuff…keep sniffing though, I do like to watch you make fool out of yourself.

          • Jazz

            Stop posting while you are high. Wait until you come down and then get back with me.

          • Watchman

            Zazz you should get back on your meds.

          • merrileerj

            God loves you.

      • Bill G Wilminton NC

        DOW goes to 25 K but main street goes to 0……..the stock market does not reflect the well being of a country.

      • Watchman

        Zazz did you forget to take your daily meds? Sounds like you are missing them or skipping them. That’s not good you know what happens when you forget them. The mental hospital doesn’t take kindly to that.

      • MaxRockatansky33

        Polly wants a cracker? squawk! Down Jones is heading down. Oil is crashing so stop this hype nonsense. Or you are with 1% not 99% and have an agenda?

    • Philosopher

      Silver bullion is cheap. For less that a $20 FRN you can buy a silver Eagle or Mapleleaf. For now.

    • jack0296

      Beware of WWIII during the global depression. That was what happened during the late 1930s to the mid 1940s. Get right with the Lord, and stay alive.

      • Bill G Wilminton NC

        Yes He is coming soon………

        • GSOB

          How soon is soon? 2000+ years?
          When the bible says soon, does it really mean soon? Yes it does.
          Many teachers say it don’t though.
          Go figure.

          • Bill G Wilminton NC

            Israel is the living clock…..the fig tree…and the way things are heating up I wouldn’t be surprised to be taken up in the blinking of an eye SOON YES SOON….thanks

          • GSOB

            Living clock huh?

    • Bill G Wilminton NC

      Mr Beyondo I am a Biblical man and I believe that Jesus is coming for HIS bride …….called THE RAPTURE.

      • GSOB

        The so called rapture = the redemption of our bodies.

        • Bill G Wilminton NC

          Listen GSOB you mix things up and throw out a plethora of words and Scriptures……..I believe you need a church……….I will answer your thoughts but cut your words down to a small flock………thanks

          At the rapture we get our new heavenly bodies…….if you disagree with that keep it short please and I will answer. thanks

          • GSOB

            What’s a matter. Can’t handle the truth?

    • alan

      If it goes on too long the people will take matters into their hands.

    • antonio

      Groceries here (Portugal) have been slashed 50%.
      eg Nescafe 200g €3.19 Knorr cubes €1.95 for 24. This is only one company. There is no pricing power and Mario Draghi is pushing on a string. There is widespread hardship all around here. And yet the bankers are okay. A €4.9 billion hole in their finances (Banco Espirito Santo) and the CEO is under house arrest aka sending him on holiday. And the Governor of the BOP? He should have been sacked. No prizes for guessing if he has been. With that kind of money who says you cant bypass the judiciary, the investigators and whatever obstacle!
      Heard on a BBC program (Podcast on Greece) the other day that 30% of the people cant claim bodies of their loved ones from mortuaries because they have not got the money to bury them.
      I could go on and on. But the signs are there if your antenna is sensitive.

      • Evil_shadow

        ECB and Eurorats..what else to expect? you do know that they will start another “QE” in europe right after new year? like we dont have enough problems with current one…

    • retired22

      I believe that it will be political & sociological as well.There is very little that can remain the same after this financial & economic storm passes,..which may be decades.Forget the charts & graphs,this will not be limited to the financial sector alone.There will be paradigm changes ahead at every level of every society.Overpopulated 3RD world nations which are barely surviving now have no where to contract to,they will become chaotic starving failed states.Europe will lose it’s international predominance,the traditional west European nations,minus all of their former colonies,will be reduced to the level of Bulgaria or Greece in the future,small relatively unimportant backwaters.Large states like China & Russia,if their economies tank,will revert back to wars of conquest.The western Asian Moslem world will collapse,they have nothing of value other then oil & the value of oil is rapidly declining for the medium future.The Arab world is pre industrial with a largely illiterate population & produces nothing of social or material value with which to support their people with,there will be mass starvation & chaos in this region.Latin America from Mexico on south is little better economically then the Arabs.The nations of Latin America were all set up as semi feudal societies by the Spaniards hundreds of years ago,as such they could limp along after a fashion with small populations as they did up to the 20Th century.these societies cannot function with populations 5 or 6 times the size of what they were a mere 100 years ago!
      P.S.The World’s population has increased from 1.5 billion people in1900 to 7.5 billion in 2015,& most of this increase has occurred in the backward 3rd world!The 3rd world that can least afford this population increase!

    • Robert (qslv)

      Remember the European folk tale “The Ant And The
      Grasshopper”? Those who saw this coming and stored their nuts for what is happening now are nicely positioned for the days to come. Most have no idea how difficult life can be in a fourth turning.

    • Orac4Prez

      Having saved doesn’t always help. During the crises in Germany between the wars people sold their houses only to find that by the time settlement occurred they couldn’t buy a loaf of bread with the proceeds. (ask Pastor Chuck Missler!) After the 2nd World War people in Germany who had money found that the occupying powers regularly changed script so that you could only change a limited amount of money. It gets particularly hard if you are old (retired) or infirmed!

  • CASTIEL

    i follow this blog some time and i thanks to michael for all the info he puts together and try to show the real problem that we face….but few people listen…At least in Europe people are asleep…..every weekend the little sheeps with their goats pass all their time in shoppings ….or pass their time seing reality shows or in the facecrap….no one stops a little and think what to do to stop this decay..beacuse they are futile people without personality or ideals….looks like they all come from a assembly line of a factory….They think this system is indestructuble…..they are wrong…..ww3 is comming and it will bring chaos and destruction…..Do you remenber what came after the great depression of 30s?

    • Philosopher

      Souplines and war.

      • Bill G Wilminton NC

        Soupline is already here but is now called foodstamps……….46 million.

    • Bill G Wilminton NC

      WW2………….

  • GSOB

    Psalm 79:6
    Revelation 16:1

    • GSOB

      Fulfilled.

  • TIRED

    All I requested from Santa was a large bag of rice and a large bag of beans. Prepared or not- this shock will shake the foundations. Who will pay for the snap cards and Obozo phones? Most people will freak out with out Cell Phones and internet. I pray for the children and grandchildren – who have their future sold to greed.

    • Bill G Wilminton NC

      And no meds……………we have sold out our grandchildren for BS……….pathetic.

  • Jazz

    Commodities have just about bottomed!!! We will see prices skyrocket soon. Commodities go through cycles just like every other market. This is not a prelude to a crash but rather an unusually difficult period, a perfect storm so to speak, sparked by a massive rally in the dollar and overproduction in the various industrial sectors.

    You will see this flip to the other side soon! Supplies will dwindle as producers scale down supply because of overcapacity and low prices. Demand will stay constant but the supplies will diminish pushing prices back up. You watch! Here comes the commodity boom!

    • Creepy Pedro

      Safeway has aluminum foil on sale, your hat looks a little crinkled.

      • Jazz

        LMAO! I’m the conspiracy theorist? You obviously have no clue on economic/financial cycles nor economics. Next customer, please!

        • Creepy Pedro

          Sure kid, your economic theories are bullshit…none of your calls have even come close to being true.

          • Jazz

            Says the guy hooked on coke. Rehab my friend. Rehab. It will do wonders for you.

          • Gay Veteran

            get back on your meds

      • Gay Veteran

        LOL

    • Steeve Girard

      It will not flip without massive industrial destruction. With lots of people losing their jobs. Not with the taxation rate we have currently. also there is the coming of the conventional oil wall of 2030. With it, our capacity to kick start energy systems (any industrial process) might fall apart. Unless of course, miracle, we find a new cheap source of energy.

    • Gay Veteran

      you’re an idiot

    • MaxRockatansky33

      At least commodities have a real value. Not like junk bonds or highly overvalued stocks.

  • GSOB

    The LORD is righteous in all His ways And kind in all His deeds.
    The LORD is near to all who call upon Him, To all who call upon Him in truth.
    He will fulfill the desire of those who fear Him; He will also hear their cry and will save them.…
    Psalm 145:17,18, 19

    • Steeve Girard

      Your God is nothing more than a dangling wiener, a relic of an ancient sexual domination cult. It will not save anyone. If you want to save someone, learn to save yourself first… and after that, educate the rest on how.

      • GSOB

        Well, well, well… you have exposed yourself as being at enmity with God. (But He knew already)
        Let me ask you….
        What do I need to be saved from?
        What do you need to be saved from, if anything?

    • Gay Veteran

      Polly want another cracker?

  • TIRED

    The last depression at least had a large rural population that had the ability to produce food through gardens and farming production. The were mostly rugged individuals with the ability to understand hardships. Today we are spoiled and expect everything to be provided. The depression era also gave a start to many famous criminals that won the admiration of the public. A lot of people wanted the banks to pay dearly. Wonder what will occur this time????

    • Bill G Wilminton NC

      Disaster………rugged individuals gone………farms gone.

      • Steeve Girard

        They are not gone.. they are just in the armies, or in wait. Patience is the key to win wars, but to prevent them, your must show decisive bluntness(and accept it will most likely fail).

        • Bill G Wilminton NC

          Wow that was good, SIR I give you a Salute …..thanks.

          Today we need to be Politically Incorrect to have Decisive Bluntness.

          You have made my day thanks again.

    • Mad Monkey

      Yeah banking law was changed to prevent banks being involved in stocks and derivative trading – to prevent the situation occurring – hello they changed the law!! ‘Those that do not learn from history will repeat it’. here we go 1929 on steroids.

      Yes most had chickens and veg gardens – now we have credit cards and most farmers are very specialized. World food security is the lowest it has ever been and a lot is reliant on international trade. – no one talks about it; more concerned about climate change and being politically correct.

    • Steeve Girard

      This time it’s gonna be rinse and repeat, if we forget it already happened.

  • GSOB

    The LORD is good, A stronghold in the day of trouble, And He knows those who take refuge in Him.
    Nahum 1:7

    • Bill G Wilminton NC

      And He is coming soon for His Bride…………

    • Gay Veteran

      Polly want a cracker?

  • massive selloff

    just a 10 basis point increase in rates will cause the biggest commodity selloff in well,ever,yellen raises rates and oil and nat gas price will plunge at least 30% (conservatively)IN A DAY!steel,copper,alum.omg

    • Jazz

      What planet do you live on? LMAO The commodity markets have already priced in a 25 bip increase. Why do you think they sold off so much recently? LMAO 30%+ in one day? Wow! That literally had me laughing out loud.

  • stingray

    They will tell everything will be alright same story

  • VigilanteCaregiver

    At least deflationary is easier to work out of than hyper-inflationary. Unfortunately, deflation happens right before hyper-inflation. So, if this is played just right we can recover quicker.

    • Bill G Wilminton NC

      The orchestrators of this financial sickness have an agenda and it is not recovery to help the citizenry but to establish New World Order and to h.ll with the SHEEPLE.

  • Tyrone Leon Jackson

    If so many here believe that a collapse is coming, wouldn’t it be prudent to take advantage of this deflationary period to load up on items that might prove beneficial before an inflationary period erupts?

    • Jazz

      I agree. If people were really concerned we would see more posts presenting solutions like “10 ways to survive the upcoming crisis” and “investments that do well in deflationary periods” and “a list of supplies to have in hard times” etc etc etc.

      The good thing about statistics is you can keep searching until you find some that match your point of view. We are all bias in one way or another. I may be too bullish while others may be too bearish. The truth lies somewhere in between!

      • Tyrone Leon Jackson

        I agree.

        I truthfully believe that blogs like this prey on the insecurities and uncertainty people have about the future of the economy and use it to capitalize for their own personal financial success through selling CD’s, books, vitamins, etc.

        I, like you, see no suggestions or advise on ways to minimize the harsh impact a collapse would have on someone. Odd.

        • Watchman

          The moron “Alwaytrolling” aka Tyrone agrees? Looks like hell froze over.

          • Countdown

            Would you like me to bring you a coat?

      • Mad Monkey

        There are very many sites that accommodate how to prepare for what is coming!! To me the economic-collapse-blog is about being the watchman on the tower and warning of what is to come.

        I disagree the “The truth lies somewhere in between!” As part of the 2008 election campaign most proponents were saying the ‘economy is fundamentally sound’ – we know what happened – not some middle road.

        • Jazz

          I never said the “middle road”. I said people can take extreme positions and find data to back their point of view. If I bet the farm that the economy is going to crash today then I could just as easily lose my life savings as if I bet the farm that the stock market is going to 25k today. The truth lies in between one extreme to the other.

          Many on this site believe the financial world is about to come crashing down any moment while some believe it will never happen or may be years away. The truth is none of us truly know when and it could be today, next week, next year, or several years away.

          Be prepared for emergencies but don’t live every day like the world is ending. Be vigilant but not fearful. Be alert but don’t let it consume you. We are here to be salt and light. In tragedy comes redemption. Let us find the silver linings in life and bring hope to the hopeless!

          • GoldenGirl

            Well said, Jazz.

          • Green tip

            Alright jazz my bad for calling you out yesterday. I can see your not a paid government troll. Again good to have your perspective to counter all the negative stuff on here. Let’s say the economy did tank sooner than later, besides gold and silver, ammo, and shorts, what other investments would you be looking into? Well.. If you were to short something what would be your strategy for it?

    • Steeve Girard

      It will not work, we are going to a time of outright theft from all sides. Gold and silver are about to be confiscated, basic goods will be stolen by desperate consumers. The increase in gun craziness, is just the signal it’s about to happen more often. We need to have survival skills to go through it, not stuff!

    • Watchman

      Wouldn’t it be prudent Alwaystrolling to load up on bans? It seems that what you enjoy.

  • Jim Clark

    Cheer up. One year, one month and ten days from now, Hillary will be President.

    • Jazz

      LMAO. Bernie has a better shot of winning than that criminal. My $ is on Sanders being the Dem candidate

      • Hillary Lied Soldiers Died

        good point jazz. hillary is more likely to be in prision in 1 year 1 month & 10 days then our new president

        • Jazz

          You have that correct! Politicians/citizens under investigation for criminal activity should be prohibited by law from running for any public office.

          • Jerry C

            ? Then the left would file criminal lawsuits for every conservative running. How about after they are convicted they cannot run? I believe that’s in the law already.

      • GoldenGirl

        Yep. I saw a bumper sticker yesterday that read ‘Hillary for Prison 2016.’ Know where I can get one of those?

        • Jazz

          I saw one in Atlanta too. LOL! So true. She should be tried for treason!!! FYI I’m on the waiting list for Socrates!

          • GoldenGirl

            I got the invitation and signed up. Now I just have to figure out how to use it. :)

          • Jazz

            Yeah I watched the vids & it seems very robust but not too user friendly. Keep me posted on its usefulness. Does it cover commodities & currencies in addition to capital markets?

          • GoldenGirl

            Yes, it does. Plus, you can follow individual stocks. Like he said today, at least we will be able to see the trends. I am such a basic investor. I am sure the trader version will be more useful to you. Marty is not very user friendly. :) It has taken me awhile to speak his language and I have a long way to go. I’ll keep you posted.

          • Jazz

            LOL. So true. Once you get past the spelling and grammar issues and understand his special language, he makes a TON of sense.

            I like his way of viewing the world, but like you said said he is not very user-friendly. I have been investing and trading 30+ years and still a lot of what he says goes over my head too.

          • GoldenGirl

            Well, that’s reassuring! The spelling and grammar issues just make me laugh. But he makes more sense on more levels than anyone I know. My smarter-than-I-could-ever-hope-to-be children will be here for Christmas, and as they are now both following him, I am going to have them take a look at it. My daughter and son-in-law are especially good investors and I know they are anxious to see Socrates in action.

      • Bill G Wilminton NC

        WOW never would have believed Sanders….Trump is exciting and has thrown all the worms into full squirm.

        • Jazz

          You know I’m warming up to Trump. I like how he speaks his mind and can’t be bought. Is he President material? Not sure but he’s still much better than the clown in the White House now.

          I still say Bernie Sanders has the best shot at 2016 though. Too many people want a hand out and Sanders is all about socialism. Expand the gov more and more. My prediction is a Trump vs Sanders showdown with Sanders pulling in a narrow victory.

          • Bill G Wilminton NC

            Jazz I read your posts and you are a thinker……..there is no more room for handouts we need manufacturing and jobs…..Sanders is a socialist and the Europe socialist experiment is in collapse….we will be 20 trillion in debt shortly and this is an un-payable number.. ALL BY DESIGN to usher in NWO.

          • Watchman

            Jazz a thinker. No more like a stinker. If you read his posts he sounds like a bi-polar person who is on or off his meds.

          • Bill G Wilminton NC

            haha I will take a second look……

          • Watchman

            He goes under other nicknames too. Such as Recovery, Zazz, etc… He’s been posting for many years now about stock market highs and all that delusional sheeple talk.

          • Bill G Wilminton NC

            Will keep that in mind……thanks.

          • Jazz

            Only use one screen name Jazz. Thank you very much!

          • Jazz

            I only use Jazz to post. Watchman is the one who is dillusional! I take credit and blame when either is due.

          • Bill G Wilminton NC

            Gotcha thanks

          • Watchman

            Sure and “Zazz” is so close to “Jazz” right that the resemblance is unthinkable right? Stop trying to fool others Zazz you have been trolling other websites and forums under other nicknames for a while. Don’t forget your stupid avatars and pictures.

          • Jazz

            I wasn’t saying I was for Sanders. I can’t stand him or Hillary. I’m a realist and see that the last two elections that us libertarians who are for smaller gov have lost the war. When the people in the cart outweigh those pushing the cart you are at the point of no return. We are well beyond the tipping point!

            Gov handouts have soared with the clown in office and once you give out assistance good luck taking it back. Look at Europe, anyone who even hints at austerity measures is voted out. Same thing will happen in US.

          • Bill G Wilminton NC

            Great example……my strength is in The Lord Jesus……we will probably not make it to the election. What you say ?

          • Jazz

            My strength is in Jesus too! I expect we will see the election but the way things are going downhill fast it makes me wonder. I have seen prophesies that Putin & Obama would be last leaders from East & West but I take those with a grain of salt. I live one day at a time trying to keep an eye on the prize – heaven!

          • Bill G Wilminton NC

            I believe that there is coming up some fantastic developments……I research in many areas but all centered off the Bible.

            It says in the Bible that in the End Days many would be deceived…..even the ELECT. Give that some thought. There is a book the title EXO VATICANO it covers the Catholic Church and the research on Aliens.

            Haha I dont read science fiction this is some deep stuff being that the Catholic Church has the largest infra red telescope in the world on MT Graham in Arizona. And a staff of scientists looking into deep space and speak very openly on what they see.

          • Jerry C

            The Elect ARE NOT deceived. God’s Holy Spirit indwells us to prevent this. God’s Word says the very Elect would be deceived IF it were possible; which it is not. For everyone else, they will be deceived.

          • Bill G Wilminton NC

            My prayer is that the Rapture is before this Great Deception…..so much unresticted/uninspected research on DNA and Gene splicing going on in Labs throughout the world. I shudder to think of the abominations that these Lab research/scientists have already put together.
            A man to be human must have a soul, and he must have 100% human DNA to have a soul….. So experiments that mix DNA will/have created something that looks human, acts human but this creature has NO soul. This has been the game plan of the fallen angels since Nephilim was first mentioned in Genesis, the Nephilim need a soulless shell to inhabit.
            God is in charge as he was in The Days of Noah. And God says in The Bible that in THE LAST DAYS the earth will again be AS in The Days of Noah and that means the Nephilim will walk the earth again.

            I believe that all the UFO sightings are by the design of Satan laying the groundwork for the Great Deception. No credit/glory to Satan but he has more people believing in ET than God ( in a few polls I read). Many Christians believe that ET s are interplanetary and are real.
            So what could be a GREATER deception than demons/fallen angels being taken for ET. I have done much research on this topic and just waiting for the press conference when this will be released…..but but but……what would be a better time than AFTER the Rapture to explain where all the missing went. I am not a DRAMA driven person but this works. I type these words while I am sitting on my couch ….not in a clinic haha lol.

          • GoldenGirl

            I see the Republican party splitting, as the establishment will do anything to hold onto power. I think we are on a crash and burn course ~ how we come out of it remains to be seen.

          • Jazz

            Yes unfortunately with Trump decimating the polls the elites are in full panic mode. I agree the ship is going down like the Titanic.

  • ali

    Where is the countdown?? I miss the countdown posts.

    • Tyrone Leon Jackson

      Your blog master feels threatened by it so it gets removed and I get banned. I do like the changing profiles though. It is like a masquerade party. 😉

      Tick Tock Tick Tock Tick Tock Tick Tock

      The Economic Collapse Blog Has Issued A RED ALERT For The Last Six Months Of 2015.

      Published 6/25/2015.

      20 days until 12/31/2015.

      Lets do a count down until the end of 2015 and see just what happens.

      ——————————————————————————

      By Michael S, on July 31st, 2015.

      “And I kind of appreciate the countdown. It reminds people of my warning, and perhaps it will give some readers a renewed sense of urgency.”

      • Jazz

        Tyrone, you kinda look like AlwaysTomorrow. Did you cut your dreads?

        • Tyrone Leon Jackson IX

          Yes. Next picture I may have cornrows. 😉 .

          • Watchman

            By the next picture you will be banned anyway. You should look into a different job as you fail as a troll.

          • Tyrone Leon Jackson IX

            Do you want to bet a collapse on it?

          • Countdown

            So say you. :-)

      • ali

        I think blog master has stopped appreciating the countdown. Red alert was not that red after all.

      • JustBill

        Perhaps you should stick with the Aesop’s theme. We could easily determine it’s you and start a count up of the number of times you sneak back in to post your count down.

        I’m growing tired of researching all the bible references posted here like graffiti resulting in a message that the world is ending and god is coming. It’s like these people are broken and have given up and are awaiting our lord and savior to end their suffering. Makes me sad.

        How about the nutraceutically fueled effervescent postings of the always sunny in the market clan. It gives me hope, but it appears that if your doing well, have a healthy personal economy and share information about yous success you will be stalked and harassed by the “Your a paid troll” mall cops.

        Now that I’ve taken time to write this, Its dawned on me that I actually like this place and with all its craziness.
        I learn things every time I read the article and comments, so thanks to everyone including the group of B Clusters…

  • Barry Goldwater

    Huge Disconnect !!! A poll conducted by Harvard University asked young people age 18-29 , For you personally is the American dream alive or dead. 48% said dead 49% said alive.
    Yet we see these gushing reports of an economic comeback jobs,jobs, jobs everywhere. Yet no optimism among young people.
    Polls such as this one reaches out and retrieve the truth from the street not what talking heads on TV are instructed to say.
    All is not well and most Americans know it.
    In a trip to the mall this weekend we parked at Belk and I noticed an entire parking lot empty on a Saturday afternoon. Around on the other side the very same thing. Mall traffic is dying but it’s not lack of interest it’s lack of disposable income. People are maxed out on credit and suffering from a credit hangover have spent next years funds five years ago, even as their wages have stagnated or declined. Americans owe 941 billion on credit cards.
    A person said earlier and I’ll use it here , “the brown stuff is about to fly into the mechanical device.”

    • Steeve Girard

      You however are connected +1

  • ShooterMcGavin

    If you look at the data, recessions/depressions have been a very
    intimate part of the US economy since 1785, with time in between
    recessions being an average of 4 years. The global economy isn’t much
    different. Historically, economies go up and down. That’s the nature of the beast…

    The world isn’t going to end. Global economies aren’t going to completely fail.

    You should worry less about losing your crappy job and more about building a life worth investing in.

    • Steeve Girard

      There is no beast! Only a world with limited resources, but each time we, the stupid humans think they are limitless, and choose to expand “ad infinitum”. Next “cycle” let’s damn educate ourselves, and stop this nonsense. Control our population, maintain the biosphere. Our intelligence should be use expand possibilities of life, not to eat them away.

      • Jerry C

        Hypocrite. First you say let’s control our population (which by your standards is forced abortions, sterilization, etc…l) and the next post talk about possibilities of life. My guess is you’re a leftist liberal. Prove me wrong.

        • Steeve Girard

          Excuse me, I never said any of those options you enumerated. There are ways to control more efficient than abortions or sterilization. Sexual Education and Poverty are heck of good ones.
          .
          And when I say possibilities of life, it is always in context of resource limitations, or tapping a new resource efficiently, taking in account consequences on everything. What you said is at the image of your kind. Wrecky and reactionary.
          .
          I am not a leftist, I see humans as another animal. Not as superior beings.

  • alan

    War always seems to the ultimate way to cover for the bankers that robbed the country. You just blame everything on someone else and laugh while everyone eats each other.

    • df NJ

      Satan is winning.

      • Jerry C

        Temporarily, but long-term he loses…BIG TIME.

  • Steeve Girard

    I have heard a report that if the 1st transformation taxation continued in order to “maintain” the price as they are…. will eventually cause an impossibility for masses of people to buy basic necessities. That means high cost food, housing, clothing. Governments must wake up and let sucker sink, before population decides on it’s own on massive theft of the goods. That will be the only way to have some working margin to work the deflation with less pain.

    • df NJ

      Unfortunately, in this country, we do not have any free markets to wring out inefficiencies in pricing. The problems with our country are not rocket science. The lobbyists force our politicians to pass legislation creating cartels and monopolies in exchange for campaign financing. It really doesn’t matter how much you pay in taxes. What DOES matter is the purchasing power of your take home pay. So, until this country becomes a little more math literate (which is not going to happen), the workers of this country will continue to suffer with impossibly low wages.

  • Tkopfens

    what’s the count down at? are we still “red” alert? lol

    • Steeve Girard

      Red… we should be in black alert… since 2007 (Michael says 2005) at least. Because we are in the midst of the collapse.

      • df NJ

        It’s a strange feedback equation. People continue to pay off their mortgages. There’s lots of feedback loops. Who knows what $1.50/gallon gasoline will do.

  • Thomas D Guastavino

    It seems that the US large cap stocks have become the last line of defense, the final resting place if you will, where all of that borrowed and printed QE money from around the world wound up. How else do you explain a 300 point move on the slightest hint of a fed rate hike.? When the DJIA crashes we will know that the last line of defense has been breached.

  • Horiboyable .

    The Fed has to raise interest rates. Most pension plan models were based on interests rates of between 6-8 % and they have not been able to achieve that for a decade and Yellen will be well aware of this. If she does not raise interests rates the pension market will explode. The problem is the Fed has painted themselves into a corner and there is no nice way out now.

    • df NJ

      The Federal Reserve is about increasing debt more than anything else. The last thing they want is to lose all their leverage. Maybe the forces behind the Fed will start a war. Wars are good for racking up the debt.

      If only there was some way to kick start demand side in the US economy. The US economy is a very big ship with a small rudder. If there was only some way to turn this around where demand side began to accelerate. We will just have to hope and pray God comes to helps us in our crisis.

      • Bill G Wilminton NC

        He will it is called The Rapture…..straight up !

        • df NJ

          I would be happy with just an increase to the minimum wage. It doesn’t have to be the end of the world to treat workers a little better in this country.

          • Bill G Wilminton NC

            Minimum wage increase is not the answer it is simply JOBS….when I was a kid there were always HELP WANTED signs everywhere. If you needed an extra buck you just grabbed some extra hours at another job. One could earn as much as one wanted.

        • Gay Veteran

          can I have your car and house?

          • Bill G Wilminton NC

            No time for buffoonery…………..

          • Gay Veteran

            seriously, you won’t be needing it

      • Horiboyable .

        You are right on the money about war. With about 13 nations involved in Syria, what could possibly go wrong. Then there is our involvement with our long term strategic partner, the Ukraine in the war with Russia :-}.

    • Bill G Wilminton NC

      All by design for doom to make way for the NWO.

      • df NJ

        I don’t think so. The people with wealth and privilege will do absolutely anything and everything to preserve their wealth and privilege. I doubt the Fed and CEOs are going to let the dollar collapse because in the ensuing chaos people having wealth and privilege may lose it.

        • Bill G Wilminton NC

          The real rulers of the world dont measure their wealth They measure their POWER.

          What people consider wealthy like 40 50 million is nothing…..

          The Fed are puppets and the CEO’s dont even count when the stuff hits the fan.

          These people and the New World Order go back 300 years.

          • Jerry C

            Exactly. Those in power pledge their allegiance to the god of this world & money/wealth is just a means to an end.

  • chilller

    “pointing to the economic slowdown in China”…this is only a symptom of a global contraction since China takes orders for goods from around the world. The world stops ordering and the manufacturer goes bust. Pretty simple. So placing the blame on China lacks any form of logic accompanied by zero insight.
    With “analysts” like this…who needs money….

    • df NJ

      If people’s wages were not so flat for 30 years then maybe there would be enough money in the economy to keep Chinese manufacturing going. No workers with any money means no customers.

      • Bill G Wilminton NC

        The manufacturing should have stayed HERE….there are three sources to a country’s wealth ……you either manufacture it, grow it ( agriculture ) or mine it. THATS IT.

        • df NJ

          Every country in the world uses tariffs to protect their country’s workers except ours. Here we subsidize foreign governments to ship products here.

          • Bill G Wilminton NC

            Your gettin it…..get book The Creature from Jekyl Island by G Edward Griffin and you will be a wise man. All about the corrupt immoral banking cabal the Federal Reserve which is not federal nor a reserve and we have lost 97% of our dollars value since the Fed Reserve Act of 1913. This is the head of the snake.

            This is a spiritual war and the final act is right in front of us.

  • gary hillerich

    at least there is a teeny tiny sliver of good news…

    • Bill G Wilminton NC

      YES and that is Jesus is coming soon.

      • df NJ

        Jesus came and went. We need God at this point.

        • Bill G Wilminton NC

          He is the alpha and the omega……He is God who came to earth and put on a flesh suit and died for us.

          Get a Bible, start to read, not much time left.

          • GraceLillian

            True but while your doing so please everyone don’t forget to pray to Father God for your loved ones and friends . Since it is written …

            “For God did not send the Son into the world to judge and condemn the world [that is, to initiate the final judgment of the world], but that the world might be saved through Him.” – John 3:17 AMP

            “For God so [greatly] loved and dearly prized the world, that He [even] gave His [One and] only begotten Son, so that whoever believes and trusts in Him [as Savior] shall not perish, but have eternal life.” – John 3:16 AMP

            “We love, because He first loved us.” – 1 John 4:19 AMP

          • Bill G Wilminton NC

            Thank you Grace Lillian you are a Sister in Christ.
            Shalom

          • GraceLillian

            Your welcome brother and shalom to you and everyone as well :)

  • Peter

    I see things differently, and not so doom and gloom.
    The powers that be, simply want control. They don’t care about money, or even if we are poor, those are tools.Our jobs have been outsourced and as Steven hawking has said. What he see coming with computers, 90 percent of the jobs we see today will be gone, even capitalism cant survive under that system. Finland is a great example of what’s to come. They are now planning on giving out basic basic income. You will get 800 no mater what. Its obvious its designed for total control, just watch the riots if they take it away. Transitioning into riots on the street serves no one.

    • df NJ

      They want more than control. They get their rocks off by causing human suffering. In the philosophy of Satanism, the purpose of life is to exploit others. As long as we continue to bomb and kill brown people our leaders are happy.

  • John Nickerson

    Looks like Mathew 24: Wars and rumors of wars and famine in diverse places.

  • Nick Tubber

    Blah blah blah. Where is your Red Alert? It ain’t happening. Yes, it’s still 2015 but really you had Sep.-Nov. in mind. Another doomsday scenario gone wrong. Congratulations.

    • Watchman

      Congratulations on being an idiot Nick Tubber if that is your name. So how many idiots are they employing at that troll farm of yours?

      • Nick Tubber

        I am against a false alarming, fear-mongering in nature when it’s not a 100% certainty. If you are against that too you should be with me as opposed to being an emotional fanatic blind follower of someone that doesn’t even know of your existence.

  • MaxRockatansky33

    Oil is now 36$ per barrel. Brent is 38$. NYSE is on red and we shall see how it will close today.

  • mister_roboto

    Well, as of the writing of this comment, copper is rallying ever so slightly. Which is weird, because nothing else is. Even the US stock market is taking it on the chin today.

  • Tyrone Leon Jackson IX

    Mike, if the below statement is what you believed on July 31, 2015, why do you keep deleting the countdown?

    MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse  G214 months ago

    It is okay. Nobody agrees with me all the time. :)

    And I kind of appreciate the countdown. It reminds people of my warning, and perhaps it will give some readers a renewed sense of urgency.

    Of course Alwaystomorrow probably believes that nothing is going to happen.

    So once zero hour arrives, will he stop posting or will he begin a new “count up” from the time that the financial crisis happened?

    17  Reply

    • Watchman

      You are Alwaystrolling. Stop trying to pretend to be someone else and admit you are a failure.

      • Ernesto Che Guevara

        El hombre es usted inteligente. Usted no puede
        conseguir uno por sobre ti Einstein .

      • Jazz

        Says one of the biggest trolls on this blog who adds zero value to any discussion. Lmao

        • Watchman

          I add value to the discussion when there is need to. When trolls such as yourself Zazz come out I use the troll spray you buffoon.

    • a reader

      Your countdown adds nothing to the subject and it is annoying. Michael controls the comments because it is his website. If you don’t like it, don’t come back.

  • Richard O. Mann

    3:15 PM. The stock market is currently in a sell off and is almost 300 points down for the day. Don’t know how this will play out for the rest of the day. Truly amazing times we live in.

  • GSOB

    Don’t let yourself be led astray.

    • GraceLillian

      Thanks for being concern about me :) But don’t worry since as our Beloved Father God says

      1 Samuel 16:7 (NLT)

      7 But the Lord said to Samuel, “Don’t judge by his appearance or height, for I have rejected him. The Lord doesn’t see things the way you see them. People judge by outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”

      Which explains the importance of the both following verses

      John 10:27 (AMP)

      27 The sheep that are My own hear My voice and listen to Me; I know them, and they follow Me.

      Matthew 10:16 (AMP)

      A Hard Road before Them

      16 “Listen carefully: I am sending you out like sheep among wolves; so be wise as serpents, and innocent as doves [have no self-serving agenda].

      Though your right about my previous comment which I’m going to delete because I don’t wish anyone to be confused. Besides it is best to pray and let the Holy Spirit guide us with his unfailing love instead :)

  • HeyAHuman

    Let’s see how things are looking on December16…

    • Jazz

      Will be interesting to see what Fed does. My $ has been on a Fed hike, Kim says no hike. The loser has to make a donation to the winner’s fav charity/mission.

  • The GOOSE

    Michael once again hits the nail on the head. “Fools rush in where wise men fear to tread”.

  • XSANDIEGOCA

    The Baltic Dry Index is heading to the bottom of the Marianas Trench!

    • Bill G Wilminton NC

      Yes I noticed over the last two months……..got my scuba gear and fins ready.

      • XSANDIEGOCA

        Bill, I tried to send you a couple of attachments. Did they make it?

        • Bill G Wilminton NC

          I dont know how to receive attachments on a blog….

          • XSANDIEGOCA

            Checkout (www. gatestone. com) for some excellent articles about the Muslim invasion in Europe. They cover things no one else does.

          • Bill G Wilminton NC

            Thanks will do……

  • fwalker2016

    This blog was much more fun in September when he forecasted a supernatural end of civilization collapse…weeks AFTER the most forecasted correction in history – only to see key indicies climb 10% now a 2-3% retracement and the sage is vindicated ROFL

  • GSOB

    Oh Lord Jesus Christ, My Lord and Savior.

  • GSOB

    ACTS 20:29 “I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock;and from among your own selves men will arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them.…

  • GSOB

    Excellent

  • rentslave

    One sign I’ve noticed is the shrinking number of homes decorated in Christmas lights.Not all of the homes are populated by Jews,Muslims,etc.

    • Jacynthia Read

      I’ve noticed that too. All over town almost no one is decorating for Christmas, and I live in the 4th largest city in our state. The city did not decorate either and neither did almost all the businesses. I figured they didn’t want to offend anybody. Our bank has a Christmas tree in the lobby, but the inside of the bank is not decorated. They use too. Dunkin Donuts is decorated a little, but they are the only business I’ve seen that is. The mall parking lots are way down from what they use to be. No one seems to have the Christmas Spirit.

    • Bad Kitty Cat

      I have noticed it too! From those around me who celebrate Xmas, I have yet to find someone actually excited about it (save for kids and presents, and even that is a bit dampened). Maybe there is a sense that something is happening?

      • Bill G Wilminton NC

        Bad K C and rentslave: many people have come to understand that Dec 25 is not Jesus birthday as he was actually born in the fall and that the whole custom of lights, trees, etc etc are actually pagan customs that we have been observing through TRADITION but it is not Biblical.

        Maybe some of the lack of holiday spirit is from that basis. But my wife was last nite helping to decorate a CHRISTMAS float for the town holiday parade that she is attending right now.

        My wife knows that I have not celebrated this holiday in 20 years since I became a born again Christian. But I will respond with a Merry Christmas to be polite, I know too much about the origins of this tradition called Christmas. Actually we are in the end of Hanukkah and we are going to a traditional Hanukkah meal this evening with all Biblical Christians.

        So Merry Christmas, God Bless and Shalom

        • fwalker2016

          You believe the tooth fairy tale too ?

          • Bill G Wilminton NC

            Just being polite……..but Dec 25 is NOT the birthday of Yeshua and I do not partake.

        • Steeve Girard

          I can confirm that the Christian Christmas is an absorb version of the Heathen Yule.
          .
          This comes from the stories of my Clan:
          .
          “Upon the shortest day of the year, gather all out before sunrise, with a candle at hand, honor the king, for he is about to go to sleep, to build his strength, for 10 days, and fight the hellish forces of frost anew.”
          .
          Notes:
          .
          Hell in the Teutonic and Norse sense is Helheim, a place of eternal cold, where all the unworthy dead goes (those who have not died in bravery).
          .
          The Heathen/Pagan Yule is on the shortest day of the year, December 21st. For the Heathens (Teutonic and Norse), lasts 10 days, up to new year’s eve.

  • Jazz

    Wow! Another crazy day in the markets. Looks like I could be wrong about new highs by the end of 2015. Still a few weeks left but my prediction seems to be a little off as we would need a 6% rise from here. Instead we seem to be stuck in the muck. Next week will be very telling.

    • fwalker2016

      Your AAPL to $240 cries are proving to be equally as ludicrous. Thanks again for the laughs.

      • Jazz

        Says the guy who said the market would be at 1400 by year end. At least I admit when I’m wrong.

        • fwalker2016

          Your lies are becoming pathological now Pinocchio. Stick with terrible stock forecasts and ludicrous tales of multiple PhD.s – at least those lies are great laughs. ROFL

          • Father Time

            I recognize that writing style anywhere greyprepper.

          • fwalker2016

            Obviously pattern recognition is not your forte :)

          • Jazz

            Neither is market advice from you. Tell me what you are doing now so o can make a fortune doing the opposite. Lmao

          • Jazz

            He is just a miserable troll

          • Watchman

            You are quite the miserable troll Zazz as well. How long have you been trolling since 2010/2011?

          • Jazz

            You’re proving my point. Thank you for being a troll! We all need a laugh at your expense. Lol

  • If God judges America or the entire world with an economic collapse, know that He is in control, and that salvation is what really matters in this life. Place faith in God’s only Son, Jesus Christ, and know true peace. Habakkuk 3:17-18 (KJV) “Although the fig tree shall not blossom, neither shall fruit be in the vines; the labour of the olive shall fail, and the fields shall yield no meat; the flock shall be cut off from the fold, and there shall be no herd in the stalls: Yet I will rejoice in the LORD, I will joy in the God of my salvation.”

  • LUCIDONE

    I wish it would hurry up, I would like to see all the immigrants repatriate back to their home countries.

    ” I got a shotgun.rifle and 4 wheel drive”

    But seriously when the depression hit in 29 my grandparents were so poor they couldn’t tell the difference, hell I am so poor now thanks to the imported worker effect on construction wages in Georgia, I don’t think I will notice too much of a change when the big D happens again either.

    There are more under privileged, economically deprived inner city folks living in 500 K homes and driving Ferrari or Porsche cars then you would believe right her in good ole Racist Atlanta.
    As an over privileged white man I just feel so good to see under qualified, under educated, ignorant people living the American dream .
    So I can feel the pain of all those people who are alive today that suffered from American slavery.

    Thanks Barry Satora OBUMMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Hillary for 2016, lets just git it over with y’all!!!!!!!!!!!!

    “Truth is hate, to those who hate the Truth”

    • fwalker2016

      Your comment appears to be much more hate than truth. Hillbilly hate rhetoric. BTW it’s than, not then…qualified, educated….not…..
      ROFL

  • dlewenz

    If we do have a total financial lock up (Leading to all stops) All business will come to a scratching HALT. No food deliveries to stores, manufacturing stops dead in its tracks. The government steps in to ensure utilities stay on, and civil unrest will explode in all inner-city markets. Every one gets a call from work to stay home as the company is temporary shut down. Just a unbelievable mess!

  • chilller

    This portion of economic Shock & Awe is brought to you by the US gubermint….now a word from our sponsor…Corporate America, thank them and their media mouth pieces for our current economic “recovery”.
    Quality of life got you down? Losing your house or job? Savings and retirement accounts almost gone? On sale this week we have the answer to all your worries. It’s Hole in the Sand! This week and this week only we’re having a blow out sale and you to can have your very own Hole in the Sand!….just pay shipping and handling….

    • winnie the pooh

      But wait we will give you two for the price of one, just pay extra closing cost.

    • Jerry C

      “…just pay shipping and handling…” hilarious, but true.

  • J B

    What’s Imminent is more helicopters dropping more counterfeit money.

    • fwalker2016

      Dream on

      • Jazz

        I like “walk this way” better than “Dream on”

  • hidflect

    I think the reason for the slow-motion crash as described above is the complexity and level of information available to business. Operators can time their actions much close to the border of events rather than acting blindly and causing a mass sell-off. Ironically, this is making the problem worse, not better, as the rolling of smaller, negative shocks reverberate and cause further falls. One clean crash might’ve allowed for a rebound and a rebuild but with no specific point of value destruction to give the markets closure we go down in a death of a thousand cuts.

  • vigilant

    This is the end of the material age and the start of the Age of Christ.

    • fwalker2016

      Sorry for your loss(es)

      • vigilant

        What losses?

        • Jazz

          Ignore him. He is a troll that can’t admit when he is wrong. He predicted the S&P would be at 1400 by year end.

        • Bill G Wilminton NC

          LOSSES: 60 million aborted babies…..

  • Ubwart

    My prediction, 100% of the world’s population will die. Maybe 30% to 50% in the next 30 to 50 years. In the near term, let power go out for a large area for more than 4 or 5 days and people will begin dropping like flies. And if the west is no longer feeding Africa and the rag heads, 90%+ will die.

    • fwalker2016

      More foolishness.

  • J B

    Imminent ! Imminent !! Imminent !!!

    Maybe your definition of Imminent is different to mine,
    because I’ve been hearing Imminent for 7 years now.
    Is it any more Imminent now than it was 7 years ago ?

    • fwalker2016

      Yes

      • J B

        Good, I was thinking this could drag on for another 7 years of Imminent

        • Jazz

          Call walker out on his ridiculously false predictions and he will deny, deny, deny! He is nothing but a fool and troll who talks out of both sides of his mouth.

  • I’m sorry — but from the little of these reports on this stupid site that I have perused, has not the theme for the last — well almost since the beginning — been that all of the money printing by the fed and the QE would lead to hyper inflation? And I just bet that you and all of your sheeple followers loaded up on gold and silver when it was a bargain at $1200 and $25 an oz.

    How exactly is hyperinflation compatible with deflation? were you actually WRONG?

    but wait. This can all be explained by the grand Jewish CONSPIRACY since they (actually we) being, due to eugenics, are 15 pts smarter than average, control all media and financial services. Yep. Thats is. A conspiracy of god killers. And probably atheists.

    • Bill G Wilminton NC

      Hyper inflation comes after deflation like the ocean before the TSUNAMI…….all the water goes out and then comes roaring back in WHOOOOOSH.

      That might be the scenario……cud be as there are trillions of dollars out in world circulation. Some countries use the Dollar ( 100 dollar bills ) as THEIR currency. When the inflation gets worse as it is already very bad as in health care, food, college, rents, etc etc. The people holding those dollars will send them back to the USA with the intent of transferring them into anything physical land , buildings, houses etc and then WHOOOOOOOSH.

      Read your Bible if you dont have one get one and read the TRUE relationship of The Jewish People and God.

      Thanks for sharing.
      Shalom

      • df NJ

        Hey Shalom, if you really want to understand the motivations of the Jewish people google “towers purim”. The pictures say it all.

        • Bill G Wilminton NC

          Googled ” towers purim ” and did the best review of the info that I could do.

          The Bible Book of Esther……another great example of Satans failed attempt to kill the Jewish People.

          Queen Esther was chosen out of many woman from around the King Xerxes Empire she did not connive her way into the throne of King Xerxes. Esther was chosen in her position of Queen and with the help of her Uncle Mordecai they uncovered a plot by Haman to have all the Jews killed. Mordecai and Esther reversed the plot and Haman was himself annihilated. Read the Book Of Esther in the Bible it is fascinating.

          As for children in Israel running around with twin towers on their heads etc. that report was in the same article that mis-characterized Esther.

          Without more research I would say that this site ” towers purim ” is really ‘ towers BS ” haha lol.

          But thanks for sharing.

          Shalom

          • Jerry C

            Read the book of Esther in original Hebrew via acrostics. It gets even better than the textual level. Amazing God’s Word is.

  • Occam’s Razor

    Deflation is better than depression. Basically, the fiat currency loses all the interest it unlawfully accrued. We should covert to a hemp economy.

    • HeyAHuman

      I watched a documentary on hemp called “Bringing it Home”. It’s pretty informative, and more people should be aware of just how beneficial (vital really) hemp is to our economic existence.

      • df NJ

        I would just like to relax for once without paying $200 for a prescription. This country sucks. Yeah, whatever. Legalizing mushrooms would be nice too. It would be nice to talk to God once in in a while. I think marijuana is illegal just so we can fill up our prisons. If this country is so great why do we have so many people in prison? Oh, the people suck but the country is great. I forgot. You know what we need to do to make this country ever greater. We need to bomb and kill more innocent woman and child in the middle east. The people in the middle east say bad things about America which is why we have to bomb and kill them. It makes perfect sense.

        • HeyAHuman

          There are still ways to enjoy life, for the moment at least, thankfully. But yeah, things are beyond complicated.

  • DJohn1

    What I see is if the Chinese economy fails, they will direct their population towards going to war with someone.
    Why? In a conventional war they can lose over half their population and their leadership stays the same as it was before the war.
    Direct nationalism away from the facts is another direct result of war.
    Right now they are playing the South China Sea card for all it is worth in hopes of sinking an American Ship and directing the war against us.
    Why? Because even if we win, we lose, in the aftermath of war. We have to go in and pick up the pieces of what is left.
    Go to war with anyone else on the planet? They lose. Big time.
    Gold is the standard for the world. It is no sure thing. In the 90s, the Russians dumped a lot of gold on the world market sending the price plunging to new lows.
    Oil is as much a product-based commodity on which to base a currency as is gold. And right now Oil is in the toilet.
    I suggest two events. Sink an American Ship in the China Sea.
    Overtake Taiwan and kill its people in leadership.
    Enslave the rest.
    9/11 sent gold up in price.
    For the first time in years that was the commodity to be in. To the tune of a high in the teens.
    Oil is down because we have a runaway oil glut due to the wars in the Middle East. Possibly because of ISIS.
    People need money to fight wars.
    Oil is basically money.
    So is gold.
    So is Uranium. Because someone wants a nuclear war, not just a conventional war.
    All bets are off in a nuclear conflict. China’s massive population means nothing if it goes down the tubes in a radioactive cloud.
    Same goes for any country fighting a war on a nuclear level.
    Oil is on its way out. Propane gas is likely to take its place eventually due to the pollution situation.
    Several truck freight companies are looking at it. It is cheaper than gasoline or diesel. Which is one reason why it may never go back up as long as that commodity is available in massive quantities.
    Then you have the prospect of throwing rocks.
    Throwing rocks from outer space at 18,000 miles per hour. Yes that is possible with all of the asteroids and rocks surrounding the Earth zone. It is not radioactive. But it has the force of several hydrogen bombs and there is no defence against it. Most asteroids are made up of water ice, nickel, and iron cores. Meaning molten iron and nickel hitting the Earth at high speeds at just about any target on the face of the planet. Anything above a mile in diameter is going to change the face of warfare forever.
    Frankly, our entire species has a choice. Grow up or die.
    And that means a world government over everyone on the planet giving them certain unalienable rights to govern themselves within their own territories but no right to war against anyone else.
    It means peace at a terrible personal price.
    It means we all are responsible for everyone else.
    Whether it is children starving somewhere or religions abusing people that do not believe the same way they do.
    It means settling our economic problems in a way that everyone does not starve.
    It means a breathable atmosphere for all of us because all of us are responsible for logical and meaningfully taking care of the home we have here on Earth.
    Utopia? No, just not so common sense.
    Right now all over the planet the economies are all crashing together and we are no exception.
    We either figure out a way to make things right for everyone or we all die together. And that is the problem in a nutshell.
    We have to come up with a non-violent solution that gives us all a way of surviving.

    • Philosopher

      You can take your new world order ideas and shove them.

      • DJohn1

        And what are your solutions?

        • Jerry C

          You stay on your side of the fence and I’ll stay on mine. The moment you enter into my yard, I’ll defend mine and take your yard as spoil. Peace out.

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