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The Average Age Of A Minimum Wage Worker In America Is 36

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Dollar Stacks - Public DomainDid you know that 89 percent of all minimum wage workers in the United States are not teens?  At this point, the average age of a minimum wage worker in this country is 36, and 56 percent of them are women.  Millions upon millions of Americans are working as hard as they can (often that means two or three jobs), and yet despite all of their hard work they still find themselves mired in poverty.  One of the big reasons for this is that we have created two classes of workers in the United States.  “Full-time workers” are entitled to an array of benefits and protections by law that “part-time workers” do not get.  And thanks to perverse incentives contained in Obamacare and other ridiculous laws, we have motivated employers to move as many workers from the “full-time” category to the “part-time” category as possible.  It may be hard to believe, but right now only 44 percent of all U.S. adults are employed for 30 or more hours each week.  But to get any kind of a job at all is a real challenge in many parts of the country today.  As you read this article, there are more than 100 million working age Americans that are not employed in any capacity.  And according to John Williams of, if the federal government was actually using honest numbers the unemployment rate would be sitting at 23 percent.  That is not an “employment recovery” – that is a national crisis.

The following infographic comes from the Economic Policy Institute.  I certainly do not agree with a lot of the things that the Economic Policy Institute stands for, but I think that these numbers do accurately reflect what “part-time America” looks like today…

Minimum Wage - Economic Policy Institute

So what is the solution to this problem?

Most Democrats believe that raising the minimum wage would fix this.  But as Zero Hedge has pointed out, it isn’t quite that simple…

Last week, we noted that Democratic lawmakers in the US are pushing for what they call “$12 by ’20” which, as the name implies, is an effort to raise the minimum wage to $12/hour over the course of the next five years. Republicans argue that if Democrats got their wish and the pay floor were increased by nearly 70%, it would do more harm than good for low-income Americans as the number of jobs that would be lost as a result of employers cutting back in the face of dramatically higher labor costs would offset the benefit that accrues to the workers who are lucky enough to keep their jobs.

Yes, raising the minimum wage would make life better for many minimum wage workers in America.  But a large number of them would also lose their jobs completely, and a lot of small businesses would deeply suffer financially.

Ideally, what we would love to see happen is for the U.S. economy to be producing so many good jobs that the only people that are looking for entry-level part-time jobs would be teens, people just starting out in the workforce, etc.  Back when I was a teen, I remember walking into a McDonald’s and getting hired on the spot because they were in dire need of workers.  Sadly, those days are long, long gone.

Over the past several decades, millions of good paying American jobs have been shipped overseas, and millions more have been lost to advancing technology.  And as I wrote about the other day, Barack Obama is deeply betraying American workers by working on a global economic treaty that would destroy millions more good paying jobs.

Thanks to the foolishness of our politicians, there is now intense competition even for minimum wage jobs at this point.

We keep hearing about an “employment recovery”, but it is a giant lie.  Posted below is a chart of the civilian employment to population ratio.  As you can see, the percentage of the working age population that is actually employed is much, much lower than it used to be…

Employment Population Ratio 2015

In recent months, we have seen the employment-population ratio move slightly higher.  But can this be called “an employment recovery”?  Of course not.  We are still way, way below the level that we were at just prior to the last recession, and now the next recession is just about upon us.

Meanwhile, the quality of our jobs continues to decline as more Americans are being pushed into “part-time work” with each passing year.

Since February of 2008, the size of the U.S. population has grown by 16.8 million people.  But during that same time frame, the number of full-time jobs in this country has actually decreased.

And at this point, the majority of American workers simply do not make enough money to support a middle class family.  The following income numbers come directly from the Social Security Administration

-39 percent of American workers make less than $20,000 a year.

-52 percent of American workers make less than $30,000 a year.

-63 percent of American workers make less than $40,000 a year.

-72 percent of American workers make less than $50,000 a year.

Are you starting to see why I am so fired up about all of this?

We have developed a business culture in this country which does not care about workers.  In business schools all over America, future executives are taught that a corporation only has one goal – to maximize wealth for the shareholders.  Taking care of those that are part of your team is treated as an afterthought at best.

As corporations have gotten bigger, they have shown less and less concern for those that work for them.  These days, employees are generally regarded as “expensive liabilities” that are to be discarded the moment that their usefulness has come to an end.  And news of layoffs is often rewarded by Wall Street by a surge in the stock prices of the companies making those layoffs.

In the old days, more businesses in America were family-owned, and employees were often regarded as almost “part of the family”.  Unfortunately, those days have disappeared forever.

Now, employees are treated like scum by many big companies, and if they don’t like how they are being treated they are told that they can leave.  For example, just consider what was going on at a security company down in Florida

Jose Molero worked as a site inspector for the company, which provides security for neighborhoods and companies across the country, for more than a year.

Molero says when he went to the Kensington Golf and Country Club guardhouse, he found wooden paddles on a desk, some with staff names on them and one reading “for staff discipline.”

He says there was also what is called a “Wall of Shame,” where the supervisor points out and posts reports that contain grammatical errors.

When Molero complained about these things to his district manager, he was told that if anyone was offended “maybe they shouldn’t work here”…

Molero contacted his operations manager, who told him to speak with the district manager. He says the district manager sent him an email response that said, “if that hurts their feelings then maybe they shouldn’t work here.”

Do you have a similar horror story to share?

Most of us do.

The U.S. economy is absolutely dominated by cold, heartless corporations that have no interest in listening to the little guy.  If they could find a way to do it, many of them would operate with no low-level employees at all.  And as technology continues to advance, they will replace as many of us as they can with robots, drones, machines and computers.

I’ll be honest with you – the future for workers in America looks really bleak.  The competition for any jobs that can’t be shipped overseas or replaced by technology is going to become even more heated.  This means that the middle class is going to get even smaller, the number of Americans dependent on the government is going to continue to explode, and the disparity between the wealthy and the poor is going to become even greater.

So what is the solution to this giant mess?  Please feel free to tell us what you think by posting a comment below…

  • kfilly

    Perhaps after enough people end up living under a bridge, we can get enough people to revolt against this corrupt system.

    • Bill

      Once under the bridge people will never have the wherewithal for any revolt.

      • alan

        Some bridges are pretty nice, no reason to leave.

  • T.

    The U.S. is moving rapidly now toward a two tier society just like third world countries and the complete destruction of our middle class. This next humongous downturn will bring U.S. into the era of the “Haves” and the “Have Nots” – The “One Percenters” and “The Rest of U.S.”

    • Bobby

      Yes, therefore redistribution of wealth is the ONLY WAY to go. Despite losing their jobs, people still need to feed themselves. If they can’t afford it, they can do anything to gain it (You just saw an example from Baltimore).

      I suggest you read my link from the web “mutual responsibility”

  • K

    The saddest part of all. We will be calling this, the good old days, when TPP passes. People who are not preparing at all. I compare to people standing on a railroad track, refusing to move. And the results we be similar.

    • Orange Jean

      I fear you are correct in your assessment.

  • Guest

    “We have developed a business culture in this country which does not care about workers.”

    You are absolutely right, Michael. A few weeks ago, on a Friday afternoon, my supervisor came to me and asked me if I was at a stopping point. I said that I was, and he asked me to come into his office. He had the Regional Sales Director (RSD) on the phone. The RSD proceeded to tell me that they had eliminated my position and created a new position. I was handed a job description for the new position. The job description for the new position included all of the responsibilities of the former position plus many more responsibilities. The RSD then said “we’d like to offer you the new position.” At that point I was a bit angry to say the least. I mean, I was faced with either accepting the new position or leaving. Since jobs are very hard to find right now, I accepted the new position. To add insult to injury, the RSD said that they were NOT increasing my hourly wage, which is not much. I was a bit indignant with the RSD, though I wasn’t disrespectful.

    So the past few weeks have been stressful as I’ve tried to keep up the demands of the new position. I have been looking for another job, but I haven’t found anything yet. I don’t want to quit my job without having another job lined up, but it may come to that. I will hold on as long as I can. I would appreciate your prayers on my behalf, Michael.

    • T.

      Amen. Praying for you. May God bless your search.

      • Guest

        Thank you.

    • Nemnor

      The situation will continue to get worse as the world-wide Capitalist system continue to sink towards total economic collapse/chaos.

      However, it is NOT that “…we have DEVELOPED a business culture.. … which does not care about workers…”. Rather, it has ALWAYS been the case, as an INTRINSIC character of the Capitalist system, to give the Workers as little as possible (i.e. as much as the Capitalist is allowed to do as they do), to maximize the profits of the Capitalists.

      Throughout the 500-year history of Capitalism, Workers usually had to FIGHT (in various forms) to get a (justified) increase in wages and improvement in working conditions. And, when a Capitalist SEEM to have voluntarily increase wages and/or improve working conditions, this is usually due to increased competition from other Capitalist businesses that are seeking to take away the experienced/skilled Workers from other businesses.

      Hence, it is NO accident that, in collaboration with the Government, more and more immigrants from poorer Capitalist countries are allowed into the wealthier Capitalist countries (as a key Government policy) to work for “dirt’ wages, and hence, help keep the minimum wage very LOW (again, to maximize the profits of the Capitalists).

      So, it has ALWAYS been the “business culture” in the world-wide Capitalist system to NOT truly care about Workers. And, in general, (justified) improvements in wages and working conditions came about due to a FIGHT/STRUGGLE by the Workers.

      The ONLY way the Workers (Producers) can be freed from “wage slavery” (because Capitalism IS a modern form of enslavement of the Workers), is with a fundamental change away from Capitalism, to a sustainable alternative system that addresses the ABUNDANT needs of the “rational” individual (and not just of “the 1%”)

      • afchief

        Capitalism is man taking care of himself in a competitive but predominately cooperative market system. Capitalism breeds independence, interdependence, personal responsibility, freedom, etc.

        Socialism/liberalism is the government micromanaging the details in everyone’s lives by means of taking from those who have and distributing it in a very unproductive way to those who don’t have so much. Socialism breeds corruption, laziness, oppression, etc.

        You can’t “spread” wealth. By “spreading” wealth you only destroy it. That has been proven again and again.

        Although the leftists deny it, wealth is nothing without the people that create it. There is a reason that some people are rich and others are not. It’s called HARD WORK!!! Something you leftist do not understand.

        After the “spreaded” wealth has been consumed it will be the same people that are rich and the same that cry for having nothing

        • Nemnor

          afchief, much of the “positive” things you say about Capitalism is more so an ideal situation in you head, and NOT in reality for the majority of people in the world-wide Capitalist system. The “independence”, “freedom” and “wealth” you mentioned are enjoyed more so by “the 1%”.

          You said that “HARD WORK” is the reason that some people get rich. Well… IF that was the case in Capitalism, then WHY are the many people working 2 and 3 jobs NOT rich (or getting rich)?

          Additionally, what you label as ‘”socialism” or “liberalism” is actually one of the many FORMS OF CAPITALISM in it’s DECADENT stage (i.e. what you “know” as “socialism” or “corporatism” or “communism” or “fascism” or “crony capitalism”, etc., – are ALL varying forms of decadent Capitalism).

          As for socialism or communism, that NEVER truly existed anywhere in the World, to allow us to draw an accurate reference and KNOW what works and what does not work. It was (and is) virtually impossible for a single country (or even a group of countries) to build GENUINE socialism, and even less so – communism, while the world is dominated by Capitalism, and with the leading Capitalist countries doing everything in their powers to prevent the GENUINE development of socialism or communism.

          Anyway… as the decadent Capitalist system continues to decay, observe that the “freedom”, “independence” and “wealth” that SOME people enjoy, are more and more taken away – day by day, month by month, year by year. And I “promise” you, as long as Capitalism exist, this trend will continue until it becomes clear to YOU, that the even the LITTLE BIT of “freedom”, “independence and “wealth” that SOME enjoy, are all but taken away, and left ONLY with the relatively shrinking “1%”, while more and more people sink into abject poverty.

          • Ex Deo

            People are working 2 to 3 jobs because of central planning policies. The absence of sound money. The fiscal irresponsibility of fiat currency and the erosion of the dollar (lost 93% of purchasing power since the creation of the Fed in 1913). We DO NOT have capitalism. What we have is closer to corporatism and fascism than anything else. It is not the metamorphosis of capitalism as you claim. In a true Capitalist free market economy there is no government intervention or central banking monetary policies, they do not exist, the market sets interest rates and wages as they did in the early history of our country. All these so called capitalist transformations are the pillars of Marxism. Look it up in Karl Marx’s Communist manifesto. They are the planks of socialism and the proletariat.

          • Bill the Cat

            There may be some issues with capitalism, but it is much better than the alternatives 🙂

        • Gay Veteran

          “…There is a reason that some people are rich and others are not….”

          indeed, campaign bribes…, contributions has enabled the banksters and multinational corporations to get very rich while destroying the middle class

          • afchief

            And there is a reason some middle age men wear diapers.

      • Avner

        This ISN’T capitalism. It’s technocracy plain and simple. You can’t have a capilistic system with a private central bank. Private central banks are favored by “socialists” and technocrats.

        • Nemnor

          Avner, what you appear not to understand is that, this “technocracy” (or any other label you apply) IS Capitalism that has DECAYED (transformed) into the state we observe today.

          Hence, Private central banks (like in the USA) or State Central banks (like in China) and giant monopolies (like Wal Mart and Microsoft), are all NATURAL transformation of Capitalism in it’s DECADENT stage.

          Additionally, what many do not yet understand is that, there is NO “pure”/”real” Capitalism to go back to. The “pure”/”real” Capitalism (if there was ever such a thing) was more so when Capitalism was on the “rise” and was a progressive force – as it moved the World away from a Feudal/Agrarian economy to (generally) a Capitalist economy. But now, as Capitalism is decadent, the only real (permanent) solution is to get rid of (dismantle) the (old) Capitalist system and replace it with a sustainable alternative system that addresses the ABUNDANT needs of the “rational” individual (and not just of “the 1%”).

          • Hart Shepherd

            So I can give up my capitalist job and YOU will provide for my abundant needs. How does that sound to you? You can do all the hard work and I just have to have needs. You can be my slave and I will be your master based solely on my abundant neediness and rationality. I mean surely someone who has all the answers must have the means to provide for me.

      • ssalsaboy

        Well put ! the only word I would change is adding smart along with hard work. Working smart is often misunderstood. Working hard is good, working smart is best. you will achieve your goals much quicker and able yourself to save sooner than later, this does take discipline. Don’t blow your spending money for the week on cigs and candy or pop and then complain of being short on funds. That is just poor money management.
        You get what you settle for, everyone does. Some settle for being well off with much knowledge and some settle for the minimum and complain about it. there will always be this going on no matter the economy. Set some goals. Write things down, make a list and follow through with it !

    • Swagato Barman Roy

      So you mean you don’t have the skill to
      1) generate multiple incomes
      2) make yourself irreplaceable to the employer.

      Rather, you gave total leverage to your employer by your inability to bring anything on the table. What else do you expect?

      I have seen people quitting their jobs (to start business) when the managers plead them to stay. But you sure think that you deserve the same status.

      • K2

        Its not that simple.

        • Swagato Barman Roy

          And who told you getting everything you want is going to be simple?

          • K2

            Nobody. I know its not going to be simple. Do y*u?

          • Swagato Barman Roy

            But I am not the one complaining.

          • K2

            So, whats wrong in complaining?

    • Paula Bryant Siepieranski

      I find the employer now really wants you to do the work of two people and pay you the wage of one person. They can get away with it because there is alway someone out there ready to take your place.

      • Guest

        Absolutely, Paula.



      • Avner

        .. and the replacement worker will probably work for peanuts to boot.

      • Nemnor

        What you and everybody are observing, is one of the many symptoms of the decayed and decaying world-wide Capitalist system. And it will only get worse.

        NO politician can solve this problem. The ONLY solution is with a fundamental change away from Capitalism, to a sustainable alternative system that addresses the ABUNDANT needs of the “rational” individual (and not just of “the 1%”).

        • Hart Shepherd

          You’re just a regular broken record aren’t you? You just keep babbling the same old predictable pablum. Capitalism at it’s core is about holding back the seed corn so you can plant again in the spring. If you had your way there would be no property rights and the seed would be consumed by the magpies. The problem is not capitalism but morality. The same psychopaths that have weaseled their way to the top to destroy capitalism will do the same to any economic system that you could invent or imagine.

      • David

        and the revolving door of the minimum wage employer goes “round and round”

      • Orange Jean

        I’ve seen that over and over in the past 30 years. Not really new.


      Whatever you do, do not quit your job. Start applying for a government job. Take anything but get a government job.

      • K

        Once that was very good advice. Now how would you do it, and remain a decent person? In the Federal Government corruption, and ignoring the law, is epidemic. So perhaps you could work for a minor agency, where it would not be so bad. No, did you not see park rangers abusing people, during the government shutdown. State, only agency growing is child welfare, do I have to point out their reputation? City, always overwhelmed by relatives filling so many positions. I was a federal employee, for slightly over 30 years. I and many others left, after they passed the patriot act. We recognised it for the fascist document it is. But if things are so bad, you will do anything for a living. TSA is always hiring. The amount of theft and perversion in that agency, causes a lot of vacancies.


          Best deal going in spite of it all.

          • K

            That is a choice we must all make. I will never knowingly serve evil.

          • XSANDIEGOCA

            You have a roof over your head? Food? Maybe some money in bank? Income? You are fortunate indeed.

          • T.

            Amen. You are so right about Government (corruption) and jobs. City and state – many are or will be bankrupt with the next economic decline – which will be much worse than ’08. So, they will be laying off workers in droves then.
            Federal jobs are by far some of the best paying in the nation today (check out DC area incomes). But after the collapse – many of those will also go away and one will also have to be a card carrying (government loyalist) to even work for the Feds. You are right target K.

          • K

            Thank-you T. So few understand how bad things have gotten. I see very little difference between working for the mafia, or working for the government.

          • Orange Jean

            Many city and state governments have been going bankrupt or close to it for years. They have tended to get propped up with Federal grants, but in many cases that’s no longer an option.

          • Orange Jean

            Only in some places, if you are indeed ex-San Diego you may be basing your assumptions on jobs with the City or County of SD, both of which have been reasonable (I used to work for the County of SD).

            The same does not hold true if you work for the states of AZ, NM or FL for example, or the City of Boston.

          • XSANDIEGOCA

            A friend of mine is a CPA. Many years ago, he could not get a job for 18 months. He was sleeping in his car and beginning to think about “alternative” sources of income, none of them legal. He told me you would be amazed what you consider after a dry spell like that. Well, he got a job and things turned out OK. My advice to Ken is government work for the most part is pretty steady, given the parlous state of our economy which I believe is headed for upheaval. It may not pay much but it beats sleeping in your car. He can live for another day.

        • Orange Jean

          As you know I have also worked for government (city, county, state and now Fed) and I agree with you. Government work used to be considered stable and secure with excellent benefits, but in many places that is no longer the case. It beats not having a job, but for any of you considering a government job… please do your homework and be sure you know what you’re getting into if you go that route.

          There are some advantages still at the Federal level (at least the salary is reasonable)… but one should not make assumptions about government work. State and local government often pays poorly. I know where I used to work 30 years ago, they are still trying to hire people at the same salary I earned my first job there. There are states that pay so poorly for the skills they require it is almost laughable (for example: for a job that requires a Master’s degree, computer programming skills, medical knowledge, knowledge of medical coding, database management, good writing and oral presentation skills and 3-5 years experience…. all for a whopping 25K/year.

          The pensions (when they even have one) are not anything like what they used to be. My health care is more like Obamacare than most and is the worst health care I’ve ever had, in terms of what is and is not covered. Cost me plenty too (last year I had something like $6K in co-pays and costs I had to cover for things needed but not covered).

          MOST of the people in my current workplace are actually contractors, who might be paid well and might have benefits, but could be laid off in a heartbeat.

          Plus I know people who have worked for the State of NC for almost 20 years, 2 in one family both got laid off recently due to budget problems. The husband has found a new job, the wife has not.

          Myself, I am in the middle of one of those weird situations where the agency I work for is in theory getting dissolved into another agency, but the 2nd one hasn’t yet figured out what they are doing. Twice this past year I got notice that my job would be shifting to the new agency. No choice except a 2 week notice to either accept the transfer or get fired… not signing an acceptance letter would result in getting fired, so I did sign. They were quite nasty letters also. Both times it was cancelled at the last minute, it’s on hold yet again.

          • K

            Thank-you for replying Jean. I wondered how you were doing. Sorry to hear about the transfer situation. People never understood how poorly the Government treated its’ own employees. I have heard from old friends, how much worse it has got. Sadly some were just too young, when the rest of us left.

          • Orange Jean

            thanks for your concern K! At least I still have a job, which I’m grateful for in this economy. And they haven’t transferred me yet. I am starting to get used to the continuous CRs, and I kind of wish they’d have another shutdown or sequester so I could get more days off to clean my house…. which is getting hard for me.

            My son wishes I’d get out of there though, he worries about their attitude towards me as I’m getting older and now disabled to boot. I worry about the various recent threats (such as why we just went to FP CON Bravo… and personally I hope never again to face a “Code White” … we were locked up for 11 hours last year).

            I’d love to be able to retire, but don’t know how I’d ever afford to. I’ve gotten a whiff of the scent of falling through the cracks lately, and since in my younger days I was very poor… I do not have any illusions about what living on low income is really like. I had to live in a small TENT for four months once when my baby was an infant.

          • K

            Be sure how much you need in retirement. Right now low end condos in FL are going for prices, I have not seen since 1974. Trulia, zillow on the net are good resources. Palm Bay, through titusville, have lost a lot of jobs. So real estate is low. TN in the east is a good place. But condos are rare, and good mobile home parks, do not exist. For what it is worth, I can live on 40% of my old wage in retirement. Hope this helps a little.

  • sth_txs

    Public institutions have joined the cost cutting craze as well. Some public universities have privatized the custodial and maintenance staffs over the last few years. In Texas, this has been the case. So they get a paycheck but no real health benefits or a pension.

  • Bob

    If companies raise the minimum wage, they will raise the price for their products to cover it. This makes the cost of living increase, which makes a higher wage futile.

    • alan

      But then we can buy cheaper things made in Red China. /sac.

    • BlameTheFed

      Raising the minimum wage is just a band-aid solution. Plus, it actually destroys jobs and small businesses.

  • Liberty First

    Could not agree more. And Obamacare has savaged the middle class with higher medical insurance and medical out of pocket costs.

    Here is one trick, though I hate to suggest it. As an attorney (presently on a sabbatical from that generally abysmal profession), I have seen workers keep a log of sleazy tactics and such that have been pulled by their employers, and use it as a leveraging chip when the employers pull grossly dirty tricks. Used to be that I was rather appalled by it, but now I understand their side of the story. One has to be careful about doing this, but given the state of affairs as they exist today it certainly can be justifiable under certain circumstances. Keep your eyes open, wits about you, and save the evidence, etc., and keep it stashed away for a rainy day. All too many employers would not think twice about doing this to you.

  • Tatiana Covington

    Think it’s bad now? Wait till high-level robots are commonplace and even self-reproducing. Don’t laugh. Machine self-reproduction is being worked on, and there already are factories in Japan, where robots produce more robots. Also recall, that a robot can learn
    as much in 1 minute or less, than can you in 30 years, without the utter uselessness of infancy, childhood, and adolescence lasting for 20 years combined.

    We won’t stand a chance. People are far too slow in every sense. This will become so obvious by 2035, that even children will notice.


      You are spot on!

    • Avner

      Industrial robots are advanced but far from perfect. The key is that if you have a highly repetitive task that goes the same every single time, the robot will win. If you need something where a lot of variables are involved, a well trained human worker will win. With some PLC systems, no matter how many data types you can program, a human worker can still do quite a bit better. The robots may have their own firmware and CPU nowadays, but they still require a PLC to control the entire system to coordinate them all together. Don’t believe me? Step foot into an Amazon facility… there are a lot more human arms doing work than you think.

  • Nemnor

    You said – “…Ideally, what we would love to see happen is for the U.S. economy to be producing so many good jobs that the only people that are looking for entry-level part-time jobs would be teens…”.

    Unfortunately, though one or two countries like China is TEMPORARILY on the “rise”, in general, the decadent Capitalist system in the USA (and the World in general), is now at a “dead end” and is NOT able to generate long-term recovery by economic means alone.

    Hence, IRRESPECTIVE of what Obama does, and REGARDLESS to who is in the White House, the US economy would NOT “be producing so many good jobs that the only people that are looking for entry-level part-time jobs would be teens”. The situation has very little to do with government policies, and more to do with the fact that the Capitalist system is decayed and decaying.

    You also said – “…Over the past several decades, millions of good paying American jobs have been shipped overseas…”.

    Again, regardless to who is in the W.H., they would likely be “compelled” to allow “millions of good paying American jobs (to be) shipped overseas”. That is because the ‘National Capital’ of the USA (i.e. the group of (leading) Capitalists – which is essentially “the 1%”) is “compelled” to ship millions of jobs to the LOW WAGE areas of the DECADENT world-wide Capitalist system, in order to compete at the world level, and survive (they hope) against the ‘National Capital’ of the other leading IMPERIALIST Capitalist countries.

    It is an IMPERIALIST Capitalist struggle going one among the leading imperialist Capitalist countries of the world (and ‘imperialist struggle” is the very “stuff” from which World War is eventually generated!!!)

    The economic issues in the USA and the World will NEVER be (permanently) solved, except if there is a fundamental change away from Capitalism, to a sustainable alternative system that addresses the ABUNDANT needs of the “rational” individual (and not just of “the 1%”).

    • FortuneSeek3rz

      The flaw is in human behavior, not the economic system. If you were to eliminate corruption and other forms of immorality anything from communism to capitalism could work.

    • True Grit

      So.. What’s your plan?

      • Mike Smithy

        Nenmor never states his/her plan. I think that it is quite apparent that Nenmor makes the strawman argument for communism but never actually admits to it.

    • Philip Arlington

      The system isn’t perfect, but it’s a fantasy to think that any system involving human beings ever could be, and the last time people of your mind got to run a large part of the world they murdered tens of millions of people, most of them peasants and workers.

      • Mike Smithy


      • BlameTheFed

        Perhaps. Communism works in a very small group, like a close-knit family, where people have a reason to love and sacrifice for each other without abusing power. But that just can’t translate to a large system, due to self-interest and corruption.

        Capitalism works until it gets corrupted by government power. Then one hand washes the other until both get so big that the general population becomes enslaved to the powerful 0.1%. Is there some way we can start over without government?

        It seems to me that the real problem, in any economic system, is centralization of power. Power must be strictly limited and kept as widely dispersed as possible. But how?

  • kenfrombayside

    Just got my pink slip: will be laid off in 90 days. The compnay felt it was too costly to do business in NY and will transfer the work to Alabama. This is the worst time to be walked out the door as I’m in my 50s. I soon find out if my age will be held against me. Regarding health insurance, I can’t afford $800/month for COBRA; I will have to go to the despised health exchange to purchase a high deductible policy.

    • FortuneSeek3rz

      Is this a manufacturer or a consulting firm?

    • alan

      The South finally won one! Soon we should be able to under cut the Red Chinese.


      Ken, go apply for government work. Drive a cab in the interim but apply for government work. Take anything. Apply everywhere, Federal, State and Local. Keep applying. Do whatever you have to do. You are in my prayers.

      • Orange Jean

        Ken, if you do decide to follow that suggestion… please do your homework. Every government job I’ve been offered also took at least 6 months from the time I applied to when I even heard anything from them. So be prepared.

        The benefits also maybe aren’t what you’d think they are. Most government agencies have been changing pensions dramatically for example… both the County of San Diego and Federal jobs currently offer pensions but these are far lower than what previous employees had offered to them. Also my Federal job allows me a choice of health care plans that all resemble the dreaded Obamacare (roughly equivalent to the “bronze plan”). In my opinion the worse health care option I’ve ever had in any job; and this year when I turn 65, like it or not I will be forced into Medicare.

    • Orange Jean

      Were you offered a job in Alabama or not? If so, you might want to go for it… as there is definitely age bias and you may well have a very hard time finding a new job.

      I was about to get laid off in my 50s, I was lucky the information about budget problems was “leaked” to me by our budget manager who was a friend; my supervisor had no intention of letting me know until the last minute, she was going to tell me with 2 weeks notice only. I was fortunate to be able to find work before getting laid off, but just barely squeaked by. There are things I don’t like about my current work place but almost no chance of finding another job at this point (I’m now in my 60s, disabled, and can’t afford to retire).

      I wish you well in your search… and I am empathetic about the health insurance concerns.

      Good luck!

  • Jesus must increase

    The seeds of our destruction happened as a result of the globalists (both Democrat and Republican) who insisted that “free trade” was good for America. They did this despite the American people largely not wanting anything to do with NAFTA and GATT.

    Other than a handful of wealthy industrialists handing out money to politicians to get it passed, the rest of Americans realized it spelled the doom of future generations.

    When did the Middle Class grow in America? From the end of WW2, the rise of the GI Bill, the ability for veterans to purchase homes through FHA mortgages, etc. We had more educated people earning more money and storing that wealth in their homes, creating wealth as a legacy for future generations.

    In order for that to work, it meant an active, thriving, robust industrial workforce creating things to sell to the marketplace.

    Then NAFTA and GATT came along. Our industrial based not only plummeted, but the very politicians who voted for it self-imploded the tax base and the citizens of the USA. The lie of altering an industrial base to an “information” age was pure nonsense. Any worker can be a telemarketer, do tech support, write code, in any possible country…not just the USA.

    The only possibile way to restore America is to now do the very expensive work of retooling America and Americans just as we did with the Marshall Plan in post-war Germany and Japan. We have to create things again, and things specifically made by the hands of American workers.

    Free trade is a lie for the workers of some impoverished nations can always provide even cheaper slave labor elsewhere. You need not be a rocket scientist to figure that out.


      Can you hear the giant sucking sound? – Ross Perot 1992

      • Avner

        I can hear a toilet bowl flushing…. TPP.

        Prepare prepare prepare


          Ain’t it the Truth. What an abomination. It is so bad Obozo has to keep it as secret as possible.

          • Bill the Cat

            Just change the definition of ”
            unemployed… Bill Clinton was a past master.

    • Quetzol-43

      All the presidents on mount Rushmore were “protectionists”, while the CSA sought free trade and collusion with the banksters of Britain, British regime was looking for an excuse to get involved.

    • Anthony

      What incentive does an American company have to use U.S based labor instead of foreign? Most large companies are now international, possibly designing a product in the states, only to have it produced overseas for a fraction of the cost. Apple is a good example. You also have to consider the overly constrictive and constantly changing labor and EPA laws in the U.S, not to mention taxes.

      GM has factories all over the world, producing cars we’ll never see. They use local labor to produce cars that are reminiscent of the the 70’s with no air bags and limited safety requirements. Some of the cars sell for less than $6K new. In some countries workers earn less than $200/mo with zero benefits. Utility and material costs are a fraction of what they would be in the states. They have some shady accountants that park the profits on some umbrella drink island with minimal tax rates.

      • paulrevere01

        Ho-ho…blame the victims, labor, blame the thin, if at all, protector, EPA, blame the lowest tax rates for business in at least 3 generations.

        Naawww, what has happened is America was dismantled piece by piece starting with Saint Ronnie and his government is the problem and welfare queens driving Cadillacs and unions are rotten verbal fake-outs and lies.

        From there, big money grabbed the media microphone and the short hairs of the Congress and yanked and greedily yanked under the auspice of productivity needed, labor too high, taxes too high, can’t compete due to lazy workers.

        All hokem designed to strip America of her middle class…job well done corporatists. Now, due to the paid off electeds of the 80’s and 90’s and on into this new century, we have hypocrisy, bribery and law only for the wealthy as the rule not the exception.

        • Bill the Cat

          Sure, sure. Come on back and complain about Republicans after Obama puts some Banksters in jail.

      • Bill the Cat

        Incentives? Wars, logistics, currency manipulations and having people with sufficient resources to purchase the products said company produces 🙂

        When everyone is paid squat, there won’t be any more consumers.

    • Bill the Cat

      Without a doubt, NAFTA and GATT were disaster for the middle-class… as Perot said, “A great sucking sound.”

      That said, the people who are 36+ and working for minimum wage must bear some responsibility. I’ve seen too many people who are simply a waste of skin whining about more gimmedats from the gubmint.

  • Megalon

    Great article. My suggestions for staying a float and focused in this horrible economy are get rid of cable TV/stop watching televison. Drive an inexpensive car,do not smoke or drink,do not pay attention to sports or celebrity culture-

    Alcohol/sports are promoted to keep the populace inert and unaware-look at these people that are sports fanatics, they are passionate about a sports team yet they seemingly couldn’t care less that North America is sinking into an economic and moral abyss.

    Learn how to hunt or fish, I have a feeling ‘carp sandwiches’ may become the delicacy of 2016. Everyone who lives near water should know how to fish/prepare fish and have a fishing licence. If the grid goes down,you need to be able to get food.

  • True Grit

    If I owned the whole town. every building, every business, the grocery store included and the factory where most of the residents worked. I pay my workers $1.00 per hour. Wouldn’t I have to lower their rent and the cost of food so they could live? You would think that big business needs well employed consumers to buy products, thence, big business would flourish and be profitable.
    I think what we have is a dual [economy].
    One, where people are well employed or wealthy and big enough[economy] to support big business. The other, full of struggling Americans who’ve been left out and deemed unimportant to big business. Solution Michael? I’m not qualified to dream one up but those that are should start with my premise.
    “More than100 million working age Americans that are not employed”
    can make a hell of a difference if united.

    • Thevian

      It’s something like the Tragedy of the Commons or Game Theory. A company doesn’t help itself if it kept its wages high while every competing company kept their wages low. They are all on a race to the bottom in cost.

      It’s not like more people in town will buy food from the local McDonald’s if that local franchise raised the wages of its workers significantly. The customer base is much larger than those 25 people who work there. Those workers will use their money to buy more groceries at the local supermarket, or buy more clothes at the local Kohl’s, ultimately benefiting stockholders in Germany and growers in California and garment manufacturers in China and cotton growers in Texas.

      Forcing a rise in the minimum wage in a state or across the whole country might help, but then renters now have more money to compete for housing with, so landlords accept higher offers and other landlords raise the rent to market rates to capture the value, while more things get bought from stores, again benefiting shareholders in New York or Norway, producers in Chile or China, etc. and businesses may see a need to relocate to another state, or move a factory to Vietnam or Mexico.

  • Richard

    “Are you starting to see why I am so fired up about all of this?”
    You asked this exact same question a few days ago. This is obviously not a serious question. It’s yet another attempt to manipulate our feelings. (You just forgot you used the same question recently).
    We can’t always be “starting” to see why you’re so fired up, can we? I even mentioned last time that I had been following you for several years and so I couldn’t possibly have “started” to get your feelings. If you want to be taken seriously, you need to cut out the gratuitous tear-jerking.

    • BlameTheFed

      What a nitpicky comment. Have anything useful to say?

  • Philip Arlington

    Unions are often corrupt and violent and out to protect the privileged (their leaders, well-paid workers benefitting from a closed shop) at the expense of the population as a whole.

    It is vital to recognise that all groups are subject to the temptations of power. The answer isn’t to replace one group of powerful people with another. That’s simplistic and it doesn’t work. It is necessary to take on the harder and never ending task of promoting a culture of good conduct.

    • DJohn1

      This is idealistic. However the reality is the corporations are greedy and out of control right now. Ideally a balance so that no one group is all powerful would be best.
      The laws of the land are selectively enforced.

      You can have all the law in the world and no one to enforce that law then the law becomes ineffective.
      For instance all over this country they are getting rid of older workers in violation of senior discrimination laws. No one to enforce them against these companies.
      Under these rules workers have no rights.
      That is the reality.

      You have illegal immigrants here in violation of dozens of laws including draft registration laws that do apply to immigrants as well as citizens.
      Who watches the policeman? Without enforcement laws are useless.

  • Robert

    The last president that cared for the “little guy” was Harry Truman. Has not been one since from either party. The world turned upside down. The answer is get a government job at some level. Preferably with Feds. Good luck all.


    Between the TPP/Nafta, massive immigration and robots the Middle Class is in the Cross Hairs. The politicos are bought and paid for by the 1%. Wall Street rules. Does anyone seriously believe Jeb or Cankles is going to do anything about this? I can actually recall a time when a high school graduate could go out and get a job, build a life, buy a home, raise children and make a go of it. Those days are long, long gone. I recently retired and feel genuine pity for young people today. Unless they are a “barn burner”, I tell them to get a government job. Any job. There are going to be many, many Baltimores in our future. You say NO! I ask what are people supposed to do? Cankles makes as much in one speech as a minimum wage worker makes in 10 years! This is an outrage.

    • Avner

      The banks, politicos, and corporations are the “Axis” if you will. Jeb, Cankles… nah. The hacks that get put up there will be vetted by the politicos TRUE constituents.. the banks and corporations. So, forget about it. Honestly, we had one opportunity IMO to turn it around, and that was in 2008 with Ron Paul on the ballot. Changing that office could have started a chain reaction in the right direction. Alas, WE the stupid voted for “Hope to change ya.”

      I once said that anyone who waves the stars and stripes in 2015 is a sucker. You have to protect you and those you have vetted, I mean, we’re going third world in short order. Oh yeah, you’re absolutely correct about our future being a bunch of Baltimores and Fergusons.. the whole USA will look like Rio De Janiero.. either filthy rich and separated, or a disease infested Favela.

      Want to know the saddest part? The people who stood up at Bunkerville, NV will be the ones cheering on the police state the MOST.


        We have begun our descent into the Valley of Death.

        • df NJ

          That started in 1913.

          • XSANDIEGOCA

            Technically, you are correct. Allow me to rephrase this: We are in Free Fall.

          • Hart Shepherd

            yep, that is when they started replicating the Mr Potters and phasing out the George Baileys.

    • quercus454

      In pure capitalism there is no middleclass. There are the rich employers and the poor workers. The middleclass is created by government rules and safety regulation. It serves as a buffer between the haves and the havenots. A look at a lot of the third world shows that having an economic middleclass leads to stability. Because of protections/laws, a poor person can move up economically from one class to another without. the wealthy crushing them. Now that we have seen most US wage and worker protection laws either removed or ignored, we as a country are looking more and more like the third world.
      The wealthy have always wanted pure capitalism without protections. They do not want competition.


        They shall get it and they shall get so much more.

      • BlameTheFed

        Real (honest) capitalism is just a market economy. In a true market economy, economic power would be dispersed. Unchecked government power introduces corruption: crony capitalism. This is what creates the ever-growing centralization of power that ultimately destroys the middle class.

    • Gay Veteran

      bought and paid by the top 0.1%




    Tariffs! Tell the Chinese if they want to get their money back that trade is a two way street. A Domestic Marshall Plan is called for. Rebuild the Interstate Highway System, especially the bridges. Energy Independence. $2/gallon gas would help tremendously. Shut the Borders. You say NO! Ask yourself what people are supposed to do? Obama, as Clint Eastwood said, is the biggest Hoax that was ever perpetrated on the American People. He is a a complete disaster. The RINOs are in bed with him. The TPP is a slap in the face of every working American. He has enriched the 1% and is breaking the Middle Class. I look at the lineup, Jeb, Cankles et al and really see no hope from that quarter. I could rant on and on but I see no one standing up for the average American anymore. No one.

    • df NJ

      Rather than target a specific nation. for the math literate, we should fashion a law where there’s a tax on every shipping container coming into this country proportional to the trade imbalance. If the trade is balanced is zero or in our favor, then there is no tax on incoming shipping containers. You could even have a different tax rate based on reported human rights, child labor, or slave labor rights violations.


        Excellent idea.

    • Hart Shepherd

      Vote “No Consent” 2016

      • T.

        Who says Anybody, will be voting in 2016?


          An excellent point.


        Not a bad idea.

    • Gay Veteran

      via Gerald Celente:
      bring the troops home
      seal the borders
      rebuild America
      NO foreign entanglements


        Double Bingo!

      • jakartaman

        Hope you been practicing your half gainer with a twist.

        • Gay Veteran

          yeah, with your mom the pig and your dad the dog

  • Avner

    “expensive liabilities”

    “human resources”


    Overall… yeah… you’re a part number to them. What a mess. Thomas Jefferson warned of this, when he made the point that a central bank and the corporations that would grow up around it would deprive the people of their wealth and leave them homeless on the continent their forefathers conquered.

    I can understand why some people want it to all come down, but wow… everyone gets hurt then. Maybe we gotta take the hit to make the play, this is a rough nasty mess.

    To the author, any chance on doing an article on the TPP? (Sorry if I missed any you did). It really seems conveinent that the TPP and the military exercises are taking place at close to the same times, and the intense secrecy of the TPP.

  • Genada

    It really does take money to make money. Which is the main problem for those attempting to escape poverty.

    Savings pay nothing and any money that is set a side in a bank is bound to lose purchasing power over time. Low wage workers make little to save with in the first place but when they are punished for doing so it makes it that much worse.

    The economy is now split between those that have and those that do not. The majority that is the not haves, have zero political power and no one to represent them.

    Unions have problems and are far from perfect but we need them to represent workers so that they have some form of bargaining power.

    • Avner

      I’m going to present the argument that unions in the private sector on average sell out their membership every bit as much as the politicos sell out the populace. As long as private sector unions get to dip their hand into your pocket and get a union due, they don’t really care about your wages or if you even stick around long enough to collect a pension or 401K.

      However, if you are going to allow private central banks and mega corporations to operate, you do need some form of collective bargaining power to at least try to keep the corporation honest. I always found it funny how the “conservatives” think these mega corporations are benevolent entities that will do the right thing for you the individual instead of the reality… the mega corporation will place their boot on your neck and squeeze and laugh while doing it.

      I’m going to offer another argument: The “middle class” aren’t haves anymore. They are very quickly becoming have nots (whats left of them) and the only “haves” are the Axis of the banks, corporations, and politicos who legally own all property in the Fascist State of America.

      So short term, yes… unions that you are constantly on their heels to do their job. Long term though, the private monied corporation that lends the government money needs to go bye bye.

      • df NJ

        I disagree. When one side can print infinite amounts of money to payoff anyone who needs to be then it’s very unlikely that any political leadership is going to act altruistically and stand for justice.

  • autofixer

    Yet, the leader of the political party that claims to be looking out for “the little man” is pushing through the secretive TPP, the next leg in globalization.

    • df NJ

      TPP is a big mistake. But I don’t think it can be stopped. People just don’t care at this point.

  • blue

    Lets not forget, that the vast majority of the employed and npow breadwinners, are women.

    Women outnumber men in the workforce because of feminism and corrupt HR departments which are notoriously known to be comprised of misandrists who will preferably, give the job to a women.

    The government does not care about men, which is why there is now a higher suicide rate for men. Men are being turned into trophy husbands, and are also regularly financially raped by the family courts.

    America and the West is finished.

    • df NJ

      “Give me control of a nation’s money and I care not who makes it’s laws” — Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild

      • blue

        Yep. The Rothchilds and the “Z” word people, are responsible for the destruction of our society on an economic, political and social level.

        • df NJ

          I think the Federal Reserve is more responsible for our poverty than any other reason. The bankers contracted the money supply 31% between 1929 and 1933 causing unbelievable amounts of human suffering. Does anything serious think we will ever pay off our national debt? It’s laughable how the system is stacked against the common bloke. If the Federal Reserve wants to keep us in poverty then I think the government should print its own interest free legal tender just like Lincoln did. So we will all have all the money we need for buying products and services. Greed is a powerful motivator. We need to re-energize the American worker. Until the American people ask for more they will never get it. But as you said, the “Z” word people with the “Z” word banks nothing is really going to change for another 10 to 20 years.

          • blue

            Agree with everything you have said. “Z” people who are responsible for controlling everything in our society- the media, the banks, the central banks, Hollywood, the corporations- they are all planning this intentionally. It is all being done by design. The Bilderberg Group, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, the Bohemian Grove, Agenda 21 etc. All of it is proving to be true, and yet the masses are more concentrated on Kim Kardashian’s bum.

            Remember, in their eyes, we are considered as sheep, while they believe to be “God’s chosen people” and that they we must suffer for them. Sickening and displays the psychopathic and sociopathic characterisitics of the “Z” people.

          • df NJ

            The Charles Tobins of the world rule:

            Barry Kane: “Why do you sneer every time you refer to this country? You’ve done pretty well here, I don’t get it.”

            Charles Tobin (the rich guy): “No, you wouldn’t. You’re one of the ardent believers. Millions like you plod along without asking questions. I hate to use the word stupid, but it seems to be the one that applies. The great masses, the moron millions. Well, there are a few of us who are unwilling to just troop along. A few who are clever enough to see that there’s more to be done than just live small, complacent lives. A few of us who desire a more profitable type of government. When you think about it, Mr Kane, the competence of totalitarian nations is much higher than ours. They get things done.”

            Barry Kane: “Yeah. They get things done. They bomb cities, sink ships, so you can eat off a gold plate.”

          • BlameTheFed

            Hollywood is part of the problem. The evil bastards are laughing at us as they attempt to destroy our moral fiber.

          • BlameTheFed

            My name is BlameTheFed for a reason.

  • francine

    Charlie wondered when it all went so wrong. Stuck in a windowless cubicle 12 hours a day, six days a week. Working at an endless mountain of paperwork that seemed to grow each morning when he arrived at work. Of course even Charlie could not predict what would happen on the first official day of fall. The first day that would change his life forever. A change some would argue was not for the better.

  • df NJ

    “TERRIFYING FINAL CONCLUSION!!! 9/11 INVESTIGATION” for really interesting expose on 9/11 for anyone who cares.

  • df NJ

    By any means necessary including fake acts of terrorism brought to you by neocon philosopher Leo Strauss:

    “Strauss’s goal here is to argue that peace, progress, and prosperity are destructive to oligarchy, and anything must be preferred to such an outcome.”

    • df NJ

      “Give me control of a nation’s money and I care not who makes it’s laws” — Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild

  • Mondobeyondo

    That kind of debunks the widely held perception that minimum wage workers are teenage burger flippers and stockers at warehouses.

    The most common way (or excuse, depends) out of the minimum wage cycle seems to be “get a college education”. But be careful about that. Choose your major wisely – preferably one that is in high demand and also one you’ll enjoy. Or you’ll be a 4-year graduate with a degree in art history, earning minimum wage at McDonald’s. It happens more often than many people think. For example, nursing is a hot career field right now, but it’s not something everyone would excel at…

    • df NJ

      How strong is our country economically if we must depend on people who clean bed pans as our primary economic engine?

  • df NJ

    Every now and then I read something that makes me think, “yes, this is exactly what I think is going on.” Here’s a clip:

    “For Schmitt, politics comes down to the distinction between friend and foe. Starting from this extremely meager reduction of human motivation, he goes on to equate politics with warfare: if there is no warfare or conflict, then politics is dead, and life is no longer worth living. Schmitt therefore wants politics to be the monopoly of a strong state, and he does not like the idea that the state or the government could be influenced by the citizens. Schmitt’s thought is thus revealed as authoritarian, dictatorial, fascistic. It is from Schmitt that Samuel Huntington got his idea that an enemy image is absolutely necessary for the cohesion of any society. In reality, however, it is primarily an oligarchical society which requires an enemy image, because that society is based on an irrational principle of domination which cannot stand the kind of scrutiny it would receive in peacetime. George Orwell understood this aspect well when he suggested in 1984 that the endless war among Oceania, Eurasia, and Eastasia was really a war waged by each of these states against its own population, for the purpose of perpetuating a hierarchical society.”

  • Randy Townsend

    And the federal government hangs on EVERY monthly jobs report, looking for every increase and dismissing every decrease…. There is no trend upwards, as Michael explains, since so many people have no job and little prospect of getting one. I tell my lib friends this, and their response is almost identical – “Why can’t you just admit things are getting better?”. This, from Silicon Valley where the effects of the economic depression were never fully experienced.

  • Nemnor

    SweetDoug, the situation was NOT “designed” or “planned” (as you seem to think it was). What you are observing came about due to the NATURAL (intrinsic) nature of the Capitalist economic system in every country (and especially so in the Leading capitalist countries).

    Capitalism in every country would NATURALLY transform to Monopoly Capitalism within every country/region, and then to Imperialist Capitalism as the GIANT monopolies compete at the world level.

    In general (with some exceptions) the GENUINE Capitalist is ultimately a selfish, self-centered person with no true allegiance to any particular country. However, “selfishness” or “self-interest” is NOT necessarily an “evil”. The real evil comes about when GREED (“selfishness”) is NOT checked/muzzled and allowed to flourish, seemingly without limits.

    In collaboration with the government (rather, as a policy of the government), the giant Capitalist monopolies in each of the leading Capitalist countries are allowed to ship jobs to LOW WAGE areas of the decadent world-wide Capitalist system – in search of “super profits”, but also as a way to compete and survive (they hope) at the world level – as each leading Capitalist country try to maintain their share (or get a bigger/better share) of the (practically and virtually) LIMITED World’s market and resource. And this (my friend) is how “…China get all this trade, without a ‘free trade deal’…”. It is all due to the NATURAL “progression” (‘transformation) of the decayed and decaying world-wide Capitalist system.

    The ONLY permanent solution is a fundamental change (shift) away from Capitalism to a sustainable alternative system that addresses the ABUNDANT needs of the “rational” individual (and not just of “the 1%”).

    • ChingatchCroute

      Hmmm? I’ve seen your posts, we all agree that the current system is messed up.

      Would you care to elaborate on just what “system” you have in mind as the alternative?

      This sounds great, but leaves a lot out…
      “a sustainable alternative system that addresses the ABUNDANT needs of the “rational” individual (and not just of “the 1%”)”

      • Nemnor

        In terms of labeling/naming that alternative “system”, there has never been any real-life example from which any one can draw reference and get to KNOW what works and what would not work. There are several reasons for that, the main one being that, NO single country (or even a group of countries) was ever able to fundamentally move away from Capitalism, while the world remains dominated by Capitalism, and with the leading Capitalist countries doing everything in their power (even bring the world to war, if they think it necessary) to prevent (frustrate) the development of any country that SEEMINGLY want to move away from Capitalism.

        However, the solution begins with knowing that the electoral system in the USA (and virtually every country in the world) is NOT genuine democracy.

        Also, the solution must come with the understanding that NO one person has all the answers. However, I have the faith that, given a genuine democratic environment, the “collective intelligence” of the Human Race would be able to find real/effective solutions to virtually any problem.

        In light of the foregoing, the PRIMARY end-purpose of the production of goods and services in that alternative “system” must necessarily be to meet HUMAN NEEDS (and I mean the ABUNDANT needs of the “rational” individual – which would be according to what is possible/practical and based upon the technological and social development at any given time – and, really, the “sky” is the limit). Hence, producing for profits must necessarily become only a secondary motive, and eventually, probably the profit motive may die a “natural death” – according to the level of enlightenment of the Human Race.

        In this alternative “system”, it is also necessary that, in order to foster genuine peace and the chance of true love and lasting cooperation among the Human Race, there is an end to ALL forms of exploitation of man by man and country by country. Hence, while one may get very “rich” by inventing/creating something that adds real value to human life, no one can get (super) “rich” by exploiting the labor/efforts of others, while the others remain at LESS than what would be “rationally” considered as the ABUNDANT life.

        In this bit of blog, we can not discuss ALL the necessary changes we already know must be made for that alternative “system” to be sustainable. And, again, while I would not have all the answers, I am confident that, in a genuine democracy, the “collective efforts” of the Human Race CAN (eventually) address the ABUNDANT needs of the “rational” individual.

        Tomorrow (or later on), I will discuss some more on what that alternative “system” must be like – based on what we already KNOW, from looking objectively at the history of the Capitalist system (i.e. the Capitalist system – which is ultimately unsustainable).

        • ChingatchCroute

          Thanks, That’s a little helpful, maybe you should set up a blog? USA is a “Republic” (supposed to be anyway) based on rule of law, not mob rule. Not a “Democracy” despite what people may say.

    • BlameTheFed

      There’s only one problem with your theory. Corporations are a creation of the GOVERNMENT (an institution that has a legal monopoly on force), and it takes an act of government to create a monopoly. Without GOVERNMENT, corporations can never gain enough market share for long to become big enough and powerful enough to cause harm. So too much GOVERNMENT power is really the root problem.

    • oooBooo

      Capitalism in the USA hasn’t existed in a very long time. We have a fascist (corporatist) system. It was permanently installed while FDR was in office but much work had been done before then. Well before.

      A true capitalist system cannot have monopolies unless those monopolies simply serve customers better than anyone else can.

      It is government that makes predatory monopolies and cartels possible. It is fascism that aims to consolidate companies and get rid of competition for efficiency and easier control.

      • Albert8184

        I agree with you, but let’s point out that the corporatist system in the West is being run along the Left Wing progressive lines. This ain’t the so-called “right wing fascism” as Hitler was purported to be by his nemesis the Marxists.

    • Horhey

      Agreed to a degree. In our currant state, but we can see now a social setting is just as destructive. More then any time in history, people are dependent on a handout of 1 kind or another. Once upon a time, a corporation could only stay a corporation for 7 years. The corporation would have to disolve and restart. This would keep corporations from becoming a monopoly and help individuals to try to secure a chance in a future they could make their own. Congress broke that (cooperation lobbying) and ruined a good system. The whole currant corporate capital political system needs a restart, it won’t. When the collapse happens, it will evolve to a worse system. The funny thing is, it’s all hidden in plain sight. Agenda 21, BIS, FED, it goes on. The plan keeps moving forward, U.N and IMF will soon release the plan (which it has already in documents, just not by a conference).

    • Albert8184

      There is no substitute for capitalism, as you call it. “Capitalism” is to human economic activity what photosynthesis is to plants. It’s the only game in town. And that metamorphosis to imperialistic capitalism you talk about is best observed in communist countries like China or Cuba. Human corruption is the problem, and the most corrupt humans always want to run the government.

  • SheepleBuster

    No doubt things are grim these days but I want to point out something which irks me about reporting.

    ” but right now only 44 percent of all U.S. adults are employed for 30 or more hours each week.”

    Neither this article nor the link, define what “all adults” mean. What age bracket? Does that include seniors etc? It wouldn’t be the first time that stats have been skewed that way.

    “There are lies, damn lies, and statistics…”

  • BB

    Abolish limited liability corporations. Criminal indictment of C level execs for crimes the company commits.

  • Antonio Ossa

    SANDERS 2016!

    • df NJ

      Sander’s populist rhetoric will make him a dangerous candidate for both sides. With all the mud slinging Hillary is attracting I doubt she we get the nomination just like in 2008. Sanders has a good chance. But since 9/11 the country not be ready to elect a Jewish president. Google “9/11 Purim”.

  • unbubbleslayr

    Raising minimum wage in a good economy has never caused a decline in employment. Raising minimum wage to $12 by 2020 is a drop in the bucket. In high cost of living states it should be $30 now, medium high should be $15 and low cost states $12. If you make $25 an hour in New York your standard of living is like a poor person living is ghetto like conditions. I know I have friends in LA that make what I do, they live in a small 2 bedroom in an alley with no yard, and I live in a 4 bedroom with yard and my house costs 1/3.

    • df NJ

      The problems with our country are not rocket science. The lobbyists force the politicians to pass legislation creating cartels and monopolies in exchange for campaign financing. If we truly had free markets a large plain pizza would not cost $12.00. That’s a 33% increase since 2008. I wish my salary went up 33% since 2008! The cartels and monopolies FIX the prices so the cost of living in New York and Peoria still results in 50% poverty.

  • trigonomomoalie

    the average age of a working democrat is not working

  • chuck

    There is a big disconnect between what is said here and what I see going on with economy. They can’t roll trains full of crude oil and natural gas fast enough through my neighborhood area here in PA.

  • chuck

    Plus my son’s insulation company had one of best quarters ever in 1Q.

  • chuck

    There is a big disconnect between what is said here in articles and what I see going on with economy. They can’t roll crude oil trains fast enough (and other products) through my town here in REading, PA. The Bakken crude goes through here on way to Phila. oil refineries.

    Plus my son’s insulation company had one of best quarters ever in 1Q.

  • chuck

    Big disconnect with what I read here and what I see and hear is going on in real economy. Oil trains go through here en masse everyday. Son’s insulation business is booming.

  • chuck

    This is the goldielocks economy. Not too hot and not too cold. We are doing very well, except of course the 17 T debt, 93 MM people out of workforce (how many are retired boomers?), record people on food stamps, and disability. Other than these things, we area fine.

    • df NJ

      During the Civil War (1861-1865), President Lincoln needed money to finance the War from the North. The Bankers were going to charge him 24% to 36% interest. Lincoln was horrified and went away greatly distressed, for he was a man of principle and would not think of plunging his beloved country into a debt that the country would find impossible to pay back.

      Eventually President Lincoln was advised to get Congress to pass a law authorizing the printing of full legal tender Treasury notes to pay for the War effort. Lincoln recognized the great benefits of this issue. At one point he wrote:

      “(we) gave the people of this Republic the greatest blessing they have ever had – their own paper money to pay their own debts…”

      The Treasury notes were printed with green ink on the back, so the people called them “Greenbacks”.

      Lincoln printed 400 million dollars worth of Greenbacks (the exact amount being $449,338,902), money that he delegated to be created, a debt-free and interest-free money to finance the War. It served as legal tender for all debts, public and private. He printed it, paid it to the soldiers, to the U.S. Civil Service employees, and bought supplies for war.

      Shortly after that happened, The London Times printed the following: “If that mischievous financial policy, which had its origin in the North American Republic, should become indurated down to a fixture, then that Government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off debts and be without a debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become prosperous beyond precedent in the history of the civilized governments of the world. The brains and the wealth of all coun­tries will go to North America. That govern­ment must be destroyed, or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe.

      The Bankers obviously understood. The only thing, I repeat, the only thing that is a threat to their power is sovereign govern­ments printing interest-free and debt-free paper money. They know it would break the power of the international Bankers.

      If the level of human misery gets so bad we could always do what Lincoln did and make sure the economy has plenty of money to make sure everyone can pursue their happiness without 50% poverty and endless debt. Does anyone really think we will ever be able to pay off the national debt? It’s not going to happen. Poverty will never go away as long as everyone allows it to continue.

  • oooBooo

    The biggest problem is that there is no root cause analysis done by the mainstream. Instead of dealing with the loss of productive jobs that pay well that people without skills can work their way up into the public and the pandering politicians demand that starting jobs, jobs teenagers should have, be paid far more than they are worth. Adults have displaced teenagers from many of these jobs because they can better compete for them but can always be replaced with a teenager.

    The higher minimum wage will not fix the problem. It will make the problem worse by encouraging more automation and more self-serve by the customers. Instead of a low paying job there will be no job.

    The solution is to undo the damage done by the political class and the ruling class that has destroyed the ability to make things, create wealth, in this country. But that also means gutting the financialization machine that benefits the banks and wall street. But to see these root causes doesn’t happen in the popular discourse so a solution is unlikely. So they’ll raise the minimum wage and pass the TPP and keep on doubling down on what causes the problems. And it’s all likely intentional to impoverish americans.

    • df NJ

      The Chinese peg the Yuan 6 to 1 against the dollar. We could pay off the national debt and the Yuan will still be 6 to 1 against the dollar. This means a CEO can get 6 Chinese workers for every 1 American worker. No one can compete with 6 workers no matter how hard we work. Automation is not the culprit. Someone has to design, build, and service the automation machines. As I said, no American worker can compete with the Yuan. Also, the H1B visas take away all our high paying jobs. You want to change the world. Convince the CEOs to pay higher wages so people in this country become greedy again and start working harder. But when you have no hope people just don’t care anymore. It’s not all the workers fault no matter how much everyone wants to blame people who are trying to do their best.

      • oooBooo

        You didn’t read what I wrote. I wrote that raising the minimum wage will increase automation. It’s an effect not a cause. It’s often a reaction to artificially increasing wages beyond productivity levels.

        You will not get or force CEOs to pay higher wages. You cannot change what the Chinese central bank is doing. What you can do is demand that the centralized, regulated, financialized, corporatist/fascist economy in this country be dismantled in favor of a free market. You can vote with your dollars you can go after political office holders with letters, phone calls, etc. When big banks and speculators can get free money from the fed regular people are going to get screwed. That has to end.

        People wanted the government to regulate businesses so it did. In favor of the big businesses that could buy government. When people can just go off and start their own businesses jobs have to pay more fairly. If a restaurant needs a good cook it has to pay him enough so he doesn’t want to take the risk of opening his own place. But when he can’t open his own place because the regulatory burden has pushed start up costs sky high then he can be paid less. There will also be a greater supply of cooks looking for jobs.

        I’m in engineering I know very well what H1B visas do. But that’s part of the nature of the economy in which we live where people are considered fungible human resources to carry out orders from above. But again if people had economic freedom in this country talented engineers could more easily start their own companies. This would encourage higher wages and fewer H1B visa holders.

        If people didn’t buy the stuff made in China then it wouldn’t be made there regardless of the cost savings. But people want the cheapest so that’s the way it is. People do have power to correct this, they had the power to stop it. But it must be done in mass and that’s the problem. A couple of kooks like your or I isn’t going to do it.

  • Rick

    Micheal, I grew up in a small town, small lower class family in MN in the 70s. My dad was a hard working grocer… We all know how demanding retail can be. However, we always had “enough”. One car, one TV, one dog, and plenty of room to run around town and experience life’s problems on the small stage, learning conflict resolution on the football field or at the ballpark when there were no referees or umpires, only two sides working it out. Sure, sometimes thing got heated, and maybe even a push, shove or punch was thrown, but we worked it out. Nobody called the police, or the newspaper to get emotions flared, we worked it out. So I guess the one impossible thing I would suggest, is that we get rid of as much government (in all forms, including free handouts), media, law suit BS, TV brainlessness, processed and fast food, insane regulations, the list goes on… And get back to what made the country great, the lessons of failure, even frustration and heartache, until determination to succeed once again rises up, erupts from this generation, where fantasy sports rankings no longer matter, but stepping up and being a real Christ-centered man for your family and community does. Where real men stay with their families and children through good times and bad, and where woman aren’t leaving their husbands for the illusion of some better life somewhere else. We need to be living in the present. The present is the only place where we can possibly have an encounter with God. The present is the only place where we can make a difference now. Let’s stop living in the past, and worrying about the future. Let’s get back to common sense in business, and integrity in faith. Back to what God intended for us all, to turn to Him, repent, ask for forgiveness, and once again acknowledge Him as our Rock, our Shield, our Salvation, the one who loves all of us. Lets dump “excess” and get back to “enough”.

    • BlameTheFed


    • df NJ

      Say we follow your suggestion and “get rid of as much government” as possible. Say tomorrow everyone stops paying federal tax. And state tax too. What is to prevent the cartels and monopolies from raising all the prices absorbing any additional take home people may have? So in the end you are just as miserable. In other words, it doesn’t matter what you pay in taxes. What does matter is the purchasing power of your take home pay. I don’t remember history the way you do. The bankers went wild and we had the great depression in 1929. We’ve had two world wars. We had out of control inflation in the 60s followed by out of control interest rate hikes in the 70s. I don’t know what the solution is but I will tell you this. You and me in isolation have absolutely zero power against economic tyranny. Read this rhetoric from 1936.

      “An old English judge once said: ‘Necessitous men are not free men.’ Liberty requires opportunity to make a living – a living decent according to the standard of the time, a living which gives man not only enough to live by, but something to live for.

      For too many of us the political equality we once had won was meaningless in the face of economic inequality. A small group had concentrated into their own hands an almost complete control over other people’s property, other people’s money, other people’s labor – other people’s lives. For too many of us life was no longer free; liberty no longer real; men could no longer follow the pursuit of happiness.

      Against economic tyranny such as this, the American citizen could appeal only to the organized power of government.

      Speech before the 1936 Democratic National Convention

      As I said I don’t know what is our solution. Politicians today just don’t care if you an I live or die. I will tell you this though necessitous men are not free. Maybe we need a return to Lincoln’s Greenback and tell the Federal Reserve to take a hike.

      “None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.” Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

      • Rick

        DfNJ, you must be much older than I am, nothing wrong with that, respect your elders right. Many things that you mention when you lived in the 20s and 70s are true. And as you remember, when Hitler took over the German government in 1933, he “organized” it pretty quickly. But it certainly wasn’t the answer. Government rarely is. We do need it for certain things, and granted we do need some oversight when greedy corporations try to do their thing, however, I would think you’d have to admit, we have gone to the extremes with the power we’ve given to government these days. And they have done very little good with it. I’m of the belief that our natural born rights come from God, not man (government), and once God gives them, man cannot take them away. We are all created equal, but it’s in the things we do after we are born, the choices we make, the friends and family, what we put into our minds and our belief systems that makes us unequal. We strive to get ahead, to be unequal, yet the government gods want to mandate and regulate that we are all equal, all the same. That goes totally against our Constitution which is directly from our Bible. It goes against the pursuit of Life, Liberty, and Happiness.

  • huh ?

    Interestingly 36 was also the average age of the average combat soldier in WW 2 … seems it’s always the grunts who end-up towing the line and get the short end of the stick.

  • Jesus must increase

    It’s the trickle down effect of globalism. When the switch was made from an industrial based economy to an information based economy, the globalists claimed that there would be enough high paying information based jobs to replace all of those lost industrial jobs.

    In history, those industrial jobs meant a large number of construction union workers in fabrication, electricians, pipe-fitters, etc. They helped set up new assembly lines, but the industry hired permanent workers with high benefits and wages to operate them, based upon the technical knowledge needed to run them. Ancillary service workers provided necessary labor to
    service these industrial workers. Destroy the industrial base, and
    you’re left with only service workers. How long can an economy last
    when that happens? This isn’t difficult to fathom.

    I’m afraid that the only way to recover
    is protectionism and tariffs at this point. There is such an unfair
    means of competition that it’s impossible to compete anymore. However
    if all countries produce their own goods, with some exception due to
    natural resources, it’s really beneficial to their own nations,
    right? The goal should be to improve the standard of living in all
    countries by creating a highly trained workforce, not finding the
    cheapest possible labor such to improve the earning statement of a
    handful of corporations such as to make stock prices more valuable.
    Because that latter became the mantra, then some wealthier folks,
    often those who had already retired during the later 90’s made
    significant gains in the stock market and mutual funds as
    globalization improved their net worth.

    Too many people took out risky home
    mortgage loans against their existing principle despite the fact that
    most people only pay their mortgage payment and don’t prepay against
    the principle, and hence they own very little equity. They wrongly
    assumed that real estate prices would forever increase, but that is
    entirely contingent upon demand. If people lose their industrial
    based jobs, or the companies see cuts due to less contruction, or
    less sales in the service industry, then of course real estate prices

    They artificially boosted real estate
    with the whole subprime debacle. Credit was easy and predatory, and
    these folks would never have qualified for standard home loans or
    even FHA loans. Of course they defaulted and set off a chain reaction
    in a very unstable economy.

    We have a ton of home mortgages in
    default. It’s not in the best interest of the banks nor the consumers
    for this to exist. Would it not be wisdom to create programs of loan
    forgiveness to get these off the books, allow people to live in them,
    and so create both economic and social stability? The alternative is
    a massive increase in homelessness and that always leads to more
    crime and social unreast, not to mention increasing the welfare

    Look, I’m an ardent capitalist, but
    what we have now is not an American Republic anymore. We have an
    oligarchy with an aristocracy, for certain political families are
    perpetually the candidates. We forgot who were are as the shining
    beacon of Western civilization. Torture, drone killings, the Patriot
    Act, renditions, etc has become our norm to fight a war we cannot win
    against a faceless enemy without any sense of real numbers.

    If America produced more of the things
    we need, the energy we need, if more Americans grew their own food,
    if education was driven to be both improving critical thinking as
    well as pragmatic, then wouldn’t we increase social stability, turn
    around our economic morass, as well as get back to basic principles
    of life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and property?

    What we have now is not anything close
    to the America of my youth. That was an optimistic place where an
    impoverished young kid could get an education, and with gumption,
    creativity, and pragmatism own their own home, start a family, and
    have a simple but good life.

    Now we have young people who are
    largely unmarried, can’t afford to live on their own, many young
    women with children, no hope for a better job, working minimum wage,
    and unable to pay off their college loans. This is madness! Then we
    allow illegal immigrants to come to America by the millions?

  • SunnyFlaSnotress

    It’s hypocritical that Mike whines about the well-being of the American worker when his numerous other articles only gave statistics pertaining to working men.. as if women didn’t matter.. a perpetuation of the disrespect to women workers.
    What, .now it’s fashionable to care about women workers because it made an easy leeching off someone else’s statistical work?

  • JoeThePimpernel

    The purpose of the minimum wage is to drive small businesses out of business so that big corporations can have a monopoly.

  • Bill the Cat

    If you’re 36 and working for minimum wage, you’ve made some REALLY poor decisions in life… one of which was probably voting for Obama.

  • Piglet

    [In the old days, more businesses in America were family-owned, and employees were often regarded as almost “part of the family”.]

    This describes what it was like at my last place of employment, but then the original president was forced out of the company he had founded and a new bunch came along. At company meetings the new president talks about how important employees are to the company, how they make the company so special, blah, blah, blah, but the reality is much different. Honest, hard-working employees are discarded without notice in order to outsource their jobs, customers are overcharged for products, travel vouchers are submitted without any proof of actual expenditures (“just take my word for it”), more salesmen are hired to hustle products to customers (upper management gets a cut, so it’s to their benefit to sell more) while at the same time drastically reducing the support given to customers for those same products, etc. There’s speculation those in charge are reconfiguring the company to make it ripe for acquisition by a larger firm, which would put a lot more people out of work.

    I’m reminded of the musical “The Music Man” in which a con man comes to an unsuspecting Midwest city and sells the townspeople on the idea that they need to spend money to buy musical instruments and marching band uniforms in order to revive the town’s morals. He, of course, plans to run off with their loot. It reminds me of the company’s new management who sold the company’s president on the idea that the company needed something it really didn’t, and when it’s all over the company will be ruined, people will be out of work, and the new management vultures will be off to their next work of plunder.

  • Albert8184

    I think the Left Wing doesn’t like to admit that Hitler was their kissing cousin in fascism. But. You hit the nail on the head with the two parties.. Now, go and research the intellectual roots of the Neoconservative movement. Oh… politics makes for strange bedfellows.

    • oooBooo

      I know from where they came. The two parties serve the same masters.

  • NM2000

    The average age is 35. What’s the median age?

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